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Yes he fucking did??
Astro and Moth didn’t even play??
During playins
Shockwave barely played
Moth was benched for brig god Skewed so he’s the ms and Fastro was in through Summer Showdown
sHockWave during playins popped off
Imagine what he can do without Mano holding him down
Blinded by shit org treatment unfortunately
Sans you are wrong
No bias here
No I’m not
Cover up the text on Uprising liquipedia that says “Striker”
That’s not the point. The point is those two are top 5 MS but couldn’t be because of play time
Jesce was top 5 and better than Maasa and he’s out of the league 😂
You’re really gonna have faith in Victoria Valentine Punk Marve1 Faith MCD to be above bottom 5?
I have faith for them to be better than Titans
When 2021 Spark was better than 2022 Boston in every role at an individual level
Nobody cares about 2021 spark
Faith isn’t even bad wtf lol
If you believe that your takes are invalid
Who was top 5 MS
bottom mid
Last season
ljg yveltal nisha masaa fastro
LJG Fastro Skewed Yveltal Masaa
skewed doesnt count imo
Nisha then
mickey mouse main support
And your opinions are invalid 😂
Astro barely touched the server
Skewed isn’t a MS
Astro was in for over half the season
What the hell are you on about “barely touched the server”?
Masaa literally was boomed and garbage the season before and then became mid and dropped by Atlanta
jazzy typing an essay
Sans spitting
Yeah Fearless was boomed and garbage in season 1 so that means he’s gonna be bad all the time
Astro came in late and then had to rotate with Tobi but he’s top 5?
Fearless wasn’t boomed, went to Korean Contenders dominated. Came back dominated. Then went to Dallas dominated
I am not
Wave aspire false masaa aztac
Even typing
How was it comparable
Cause genji meta
Seicoe underrated and better than Valentine
Aztac was terrible
But he’s not good
Agree
Seicoe isn't good
But better than the tine
Aztac was done dirty by Defiant because of funny sex big dick man needing a new home after Valiant implosion
Aztac and lastro good they just had to play with ansoonjae
Aspire was benched by Na1st guess that makes Na1st better
Skairipa is also decent
he wasnt
wasnt na1st just there to one trick genji
2021 playins vs Shock
MCD is good he’s just a bitch
Tac benched by D tier fs of s4
He was b tier
Same as crimzgoat
But b tier FS
Held back
Jazzy Faith is a bottom 5 main support that performed better than Ansoonjae Fire Kellex Highbee Mandu Friday Anamo Slime Closer
Almost all of whom are not in the league anymore
Closer is good
He isn’t
Adjusting for inflation Faith is bottom 5
You always are
Nobody smart agrees with you
Opener fixa unique admiral anamo
Not maybe
Is my personal bottom 5
FiXa is equal so that’s debatable, Unique clears Faith
You are wrong
Unique has performed consistently among top contenders players and deserves his chance in the league
He got boosted
Faith lost to Titans
you just called sans a good plyer?
Jazzy I have been 3800 and bod reviewed multiple matches and played with the ex rank one player on my team
What
i do not care
I think I know a thing or two about “good”
you dont
Are the esport skins coming back
you play overwatch consistently and stack q and cant get out of gold
Now now jazzy
the only explanation for that is that you have 0 understanding of the game
i do not care lmfao you are gold
And I went from 1750 dps to 2200 dps
tbf he plays with mr calorie counter
translation: i like to throw
you are not very talented
it is ok
but please do not act like you know anything about ow
Jazzy you do not know me on a personal level
Don’t tell me what knowledge I do and do not possess
I possess the knowledge that you are maidenless
you are typing like a band kid
you are incorrect regardless
If you are so confident in my incorrectness why are you wasting your time on me
Instead of finding a romantic partner?
How do you even place gold
got destroyed so bad you have to resort to saying "no bitches" 😭
Romantic partner
My man thinks I am being serious 💀
You’re argument is literally “you are incorrect and also gold 😎”
its a valid argument
He said romantic partner Jazzy. Getting bitches is different.
Ok
Sans
If so then what is your rank mr jazster
Forget your ranks forget your vod reviews
on shit gear
You’re a contradictor
That’s cool
i was initially a tank player
the games is pretty easy to rank up once you just pick a few heroes from each role and focus only on them
being masters is not hard whatsoever
it just proved
you dont know anything about ow
if you are an unironic hardstuck gold player
it is when you get jackasses instalocking moira and hog in gold
And when you duo with Uvalo and Ian for fun
im sure thats really tough
Those champions
Op in gold
ok i am leaving hope your day goes great sans
hope we can do this another time
Imho
Oh no what happened folks
I climbed out of low silver on dps after 5 years of flexing to tank and support
Without a hyper GTX shitter graphics card and big pc
I play on my nans kitchen table with a wired mouse
With Uvalo and Ian
And I make it out of silver
impressive
If I had the grinding time I could at least be diamond
Hog would destroy gold players
Not when the enemy team decided to run hard poke
It’s gold there’s always a moron out of position
Are you ready to accept Profit is an A tier at best dps player
Always
Can’t wait for the tracer hanzo pharah 3 trick to get overrated for the 3rd season in a row
🙏
Poor Fits deserves better
Season 2 he was also overrated lmao
People still rated Profit during goats?
Crazy that people still think he’s comparable to Fleta
He was better s1
Profit played okay on Zarya but they tried to make it top tier
Maybe s2 if you’re looking to argue brig and reaper stats
he was a legend pre owl
Wait Profit was the zarya and not Birdring?
Damn I gotta go back and watch season 2
Birdring started on it but was fucking terrible
Profit picked it up and made Spitfire improve immediately
Imho
in s3 he was not very good until playoffs
Still below average on echo and mei
he is middling on da ech imho
Wrong
shut your mouth
i could fit him
into my top 10
on genj
I agree
Profit isn’t even top 10 echo
Exactly what happened
But yeah his genji could make it
I have previously stated he got better this year
Lucky meta
Profit’s isn’t consistent
Ahem don’t be doing Illicit Slime and Michelle dirty like that
Illicit can be top 2 cuz his name is cool
Top 1 is MN3?
mn3 isnt a top tier name
No I meant genji
mn3 is my goat
very sad to see him be dismissed only because proper is a generational talent
honestly if mn3 tried to flex onto the proj
he could be goated
his mechanics very hot
they would
that are just
built differently genetically
i agree
leave, proper, profit, kevster, etc in terms of hyperflex
i think lip can also flex proj if he tries
agree
he has the talent
but many hs playas
have to spent lots of time to stay high level at aiming
They could be better than Dragons imho
mayb
e
because i think hanbin fearless
is stronger
individually tank
than fate void
Imagine another Summer Showdown meta
MN3 ashe Sp9rk1e genji
Hanbin sigma Fielder bap ChiYo brig
being s tier on hard hs
not very easy
imho
too many good aimers
That’s generous to Shanghai
if it is current lip
he can minimize the n3
bcz as good as mn3 is at aiming
lip is prolly best ahse in the world
lip has aimbot
fits mn3 lip my top 3
i also think
he played against nyxl
So do I tbh
Profit had a world class peak
recently
But he isn’t a hyperflex
Still rate Fielder higher
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Ults u...
imho best ashe gameplay in history
Just wait
Gapped by Edison sadly
guriyo will be top tier
No the fuck he won’t
He has Rush
somehow at least
OGE going to do great in 2021, he has KuKi
disagree
Rapel had Rush look how that worked for him
getting baited by a c tier baiter
It’s easy to believe a football pfp would be this stupid
Also it’s 11:45pm
Rapel was trash and also had to compete for Fielder who is S tier
Tiredness tends to get the better of me
Guriyo was trash and got diffed by MN3 Proper Mer1t Kilo Develop and Ezhan
The Profit fan thinks I’m a baiter but I literally haven’t trolled in a year lmao
I have never seen him play
Consider yourself lucky
tbh
ezhan is not a bad player
imo
Idk what game you’re even talking about
smash bros
As for Edison idk tbh. I remember when I was watching contenders and thought Edison was cracked
He isn’t, but when compared to Lip Fits Shy MN3 Carpe Develop Diya and Apr1ta, in the apac region alone he’s dog
Then he went to the Reign, had glimpses but lots of average games and some bad ones. Hard to say why
agree
hitscan role is way too stacked
however
Guriyo is a nobody, he sucks
That’s without bringing up NA
Because he’s never gonna make it to NA 
Yeah true
Dallas fans hyped him up even if they didn’t know who it was
I still think Edison’s tracer is fine though
But despite the weakness of Ezhan
But is it much better than Sparkles??
He’s still the 2nd best dps on Valiant
They where like “who’s this?” And then “ohh this guy is cracked”
Somehow
That is very true Dallas Fuel cord is all over his dick
It’s not remotely better than Sp9rk1es
these are good players
Edison consistently looked like the worst player on Reign and got benched for Pelican tracer
valiant will be mmm 👌 🥵
Yeah this is definitely Edison’s last chance
Didn’t he get benched for Kai tracer on one map?
I wouldn’t write off Edison no matter where he went for one more season
But after this one, he’s either done or he made it
I think they opted for kai on tracer because he might have needed to swap to other hitscans mid map
Kai is also top 3
Now that Birdring retired?
top 3 hitscan?
I can see it
Yep
I wouldn't disagree with that tbh
I’d personally say top 5 but it’s not an opinion I feel strong enough to argue over
Bit hard since hard hitscan players got a bit shafted last season
And Shy in a good team will funk
lip a sombra otp sadly
imho
Sombra tracer two trixk*
he has more time on reaper than tracer this season
hes the best reaper in overleague
let me play along man
That’s fair, it’s a shame 2/3 don’t have good teams 
i may be on the hype train
pineapple is very good
Choo choo
he is better than apr1ta on hard hitscan
however
he's not better than shy
which is just very unlucky
yeah
that he wont get much playtime
i agree
imo
Although it's hard to fully rate lip hard hitscan since he has very little time on widow, and not a lot on cree
mainly his hard hitscan time has been ashe
Levy
he is a fantastic cree
Who would you personally rate as the best tracer on Spark?
the only hero you can have doubts about lip on is
Granted lip is probably good on widow/cree, but difficult to get a full understanding of where he stacks up on those heroes, mainly when he would have to face other top hitscans
wid
imo
Fair
lip has faced many top hs on hard hs
alphayi is kind of a crackhead
I’ve seen Alpha tracer and it’s nuts
But there’s always tracer echo metas
in ow2
With potential need for flexing onto sombra and hs
both not that great
I see Pineapple getting some playtime
apple and shy will play lots i think
both have shown prominent skills on the journ
according to mid tier analyst avrl
AVRL literally a top 3 analyst?
Actually true
True
in owl avrl is the smartest caster however
Also true
omg
NTB is fucking unbeatable
My favourite Clestyn stan
where did NTB go
NTB only has one flaw
He’s biased against Dallas and those are the only takes he gets wrong
I DM’d him to laugh about the Belosrea and Vulcan signings a few days ago
sounds like your flaw
A tier analyst is someone like levy imho
unlucky
Levy is not A tier
i simply have no flaws
Jazzy you are literally better than Levy
in my analysis
you have not seen his prime
Wdym A tier?
What about Jackerco?
i do not want to rate myself
Where do you rank him?
Levy you are the most biased human in the server
disagree
What about Moxxe
moxxe is a funny guy
How come I can rank my low mid team where they belong but you can’t rank your upper mid/mid team where they belong?
sans its not my fault
but i havent seen him talk about owl
Levy it’s not my fault
I haven’t actually spoken to him in a while
cant think of anyone else
hes doin irl shit
a lot of ppl are
That Spark absolutely clear Fusion and Dynasty on an individual level
Yeah I also went absent for a long time
disagree
however with my new findings
about ironys skill
irony is
i can safely say that spark are #4 apac
pretty sexy
#3
on an individual level
Cortez is a S tier analyst
disagree
Same with Saint
he clears creative
I just don’t have faith in Seoul to be more than the gatekeepers again
Yeah Seoul needed to upgrade on Profit to clear that level
Or escape their inconsistency
Fits and Smurf deserve better
it happens often
saint imho
the only non-championship caliber player
and funny
And Profit lacking flexibility and no off tank
LiGe clears Smurf off tank
Saint was a coach, saw a shit ton of OW, and had some of the funniest shit I have ever seen
yes he is smart for sure
profit is very good
And Guxue behind a team that isn’t below average can pound
Cortez was also S tier
#hottake seoul sent changgoon to sabatoge spark
Architect use to be so good
Nah Spark are going to be shit
becoming washed is inevitable
this is
a hilarious take
It ages faster when you go to the Spark
especially in gaming
and y jazzy is top 3 smart in this channel
Tell me you don’t watch Chinese Contenders without saying you don’t watch Chinese Contenders
Tell me you don’t realize that org and coaching is shit without realizing that org and coaching is shit
He use to be recognized as a Genji god
according 2 scrimbux
the only argument for this is that spark's coaching will lead them to their doom?
he is pounding on geji in scrims
about spark going down this year
Changgoon managed to keep Toyou Marve1/Gesture Anamo and Creative consistently top 3 in apac
So he can do the same with LiGe Guxue Superrich Irony
Doesn’t surprise me, guy legitimate was one of my Genji idols when I actually played OW
architect is a sad case honestly
- toyou good player
- their dps line was profits so its not that hard
Exactly, they kept the two best players from last year in the starting lineup and upgraded everywhere else
apac also had charge valiant and spark with a racist
imho not very hard for that roster
to be top 3
Toyou is so overrated please stop hurting my brain it’s midnight
when you compare to their peers
he is a great
When I say Spark will be shit they will be mid overall
But with their roster they should be a top tier team
Spark will be 8th overall
ignorant, unintelligent take
Nah I agree with that one
Defiant preferred Hotba 
He was solid
nobody rates toyou
hotba is awful
he is underrated
hmm
Below top 10 isn’t solid enough for the calibre Seoul was aiming for last season
i have seen many highly respect analysts praise toyou
Toyou was an underrated talent that deserved more recognition
such as myself
mhm
very wrong
I think he’s decent but I do think he’s mid
for example
Or was
toyou is better than kalios, lateyoung, hotba
Agreed
cr0ng is debatable
LATEYOUNG??
LATEYOUNG was GREAT??
Man came in for a retired Elsa and popped the fuck off
Nah I preferred the youngster
He was definitely the weakest part of that roster
I think he performed better
Lateyoung had to pull a lot to perform above expectations
Just because you’re peak top 5 doesn’t mean you’re bad when you play with peak top 3’s
but I'd much prefer contenders china champion lateyoung over elsa if you had to pick one of the two
and since many sombra were incompetent
he was above average on her for league standards
Especially in APAC
Even though It was the Sombra region
He will start for now*
If he’s even going to be there
yeah theyll nerf genji like halfway through the season
Chengdu imploding?
EQO started over Ivy and Heesu multiple times in 2020 doesn’t make it bad
honestly
i dont think its gonna be that bad for them
i think theyre losing farway and a ms
prolly yveltal
Honestly my guess is that Yveltal and Farway are lost
Everyone else takes turns
dont forget cassidy
I like that train of thought
Besides Bastion he’s just banished
my guess is
And with the name change Cassidy will probably be kept relevant
yveltal either goes to charge or doesnt get picked
and farway goes to spark or valiant
Yveltal Kyo to Fusion 👀
farway to fusion aint that unlikely
im p sure hes been on teams that have commed kr
Even if not
Forget language barriers
Season 1 Fusion had
Koreans
Russian
Israeli
Swedish
French
Finnish
Spanish is one of the easiest languages to learn
Isn’t korean and chinese easy to learn for korean and chinese people?
English has very difficult grammar rules
tbh
Nah I heard Chinese is fucking hard
depends on your origins
nah chinese is tough
its all depends on your first language
I would struggle with the Asian languages
im a linguistic genius
Soooo many characters
mandarin, french, english
shut up baguette boy
I can barely write in English
even then fusion signing chinese players
i do all
probably wont happen
i speak english and ok at chinese
I’m not gonna learn how to write new symbols for a new language
to learn to comming level
native fluency it's harder because grammar moment
Yeah
Look people who speak English suck at writing it
English grammar is just so weird
u are chinese?
yes
0
i speak poorly
why does whip shot make a rocket sound
im only like a year into chinese
english to chinese is so different
the rules sound so stupid
Chinese wasn’t that hard for me cuz I started young
no
i think i would want my children to be able to speak mandarin
so i will talk in mandarin with them
speaking young sounds very beneficial
yes
epic
I plan on learning German and then getting back into French and Japanese
lsd has 25% the mental capacity of Ian if we go by age
but of course
Ian is dumber than his age suggests
so
i have 100%
150%
Ever taken lsd
everyday
You can’t actually
You know, I'm not a fan of the Spitfire, or the city of London, or the nation of England, or the idea of British people thriving and cultivating their own culture in Europe, but I do love Poko. If seeing him succeed means seeing the Spitfire pop off, I'm ready to #AcesHigh or whatever their hashtag is
Poko sucks
Better than Punk Sasin and Adam
Above bottom 3 is good enough for Spitfire standards imo
Admiral above bottom 3
SparkR Shax above bottom 3
your 2022 owl champions!
I’m starting to wonder why everyone rates Spitfire #20 when Boston exists
No one is hyping Poko?
Only Jackerco does
He is hated and shat on constantly???
shax is not top 12 on his one trick
Not enough
striker victoria mcd faith are above bottom 3
The anti French xenophobia joke is kind of out of hand
striker is good
Ok that wasn’t even about him being French
it never gets out of hand
Striker washed Victoria is the single worst rookie hitscan MCD toxic and Faith only looked good among 10 horrible main supports, 9 of which retired
guriyo worse
That’s the bar?
Better than Ezhan?
I mean
Why is sans spitting tho
You said worst rookie hs
you said the worst HS
You were wrong
Boston suck
Lol
So much
It’s debatable
Its funny
but not 20th
I would personally take Ezhan over Victoria
Hewo
Heck you @twin bloom
They can compete
Because he performed ok in a tough region
For #20
hadi poko sparkr shax backbone admiral landon is so bad
Imo
emphasis on backbone landon hadi admiral
Victoria in KR Contenders would get shat on more than Avillos
poko sparkr shax are fine
Poko is awful
One of the worst on london
Hadi redemption arc
poko is a solid 17th place offtank
No more Pr🤮v1de
Backbone sparkr admiral
He is #18
Backbone isn’t even the best fdps from EU Contenders
backbone is the worst fdps in owl
Yes Hadi will somehow get a flex supports thats worse than ripa
Yiquids is right there and London sign a shitter
Big redemption arc
He isn’t
He gapped him
Backbone is good
And better
landon is the worst fs
Than yiqids
Yeah
admiral is the 3rd worst MS
Worst fdps is
shax is just shit
sparkr is decent
So was Pr🤮v1de, not much difference except personality
He wasn’t
poko is 17th
Prov1de wasn't
He is better than mahed
Imo
hadi is probably floating around 16-20
Nah Majed better imo
Worse than skairipa
Pr🤮v1de just had a good team
Majed performed better with Hydration mt
Better than krillin
Krillin holding
Crimzo is good
The justice back
You don’t rate him?
Im scrimmages
Krillin went nuts on T1
My man had Belosrea holding him back
True actually
Crimzo is fine
Prov1de was the ultimate version of good mechanics but very dumb
As well
Both in game
And out
Watching every Krillin match on T1 yes he is not better than Vig or FiNN
But solid #3 kr fs out of tendies
Wait #4
Irony is kr right?
better than kaan mcd crimzo landon majed kariv coldest aimgod creative skairipa aztac myunbong lastro imo
irony is cn contenders
Aimgod is better than krillin
Kaan?
Nah no way
Lmao
What the fuck
It is true
Kaan is fucking nuts
krillin is better than kaan
?????
No he isn’t
If you want the objective view
And he isn’t better than Bong either
Aimgod is a good player
Krillin is worst FS
Okay maybe not good
In OWL
I watched every match of T1 and Aimgod for Fusion bias
Justice are bad
mykl
I thought Aimgod was bad tbh in OWL didn’t watch him in contenders
Trust me
did you watch t1
Because of a bad backline
Krillin is better
Disagree
Nah
Not trusting you
the 3rd best flex support in korean contenders
is the 2nd worst flex support owl
TIL
Yeah
You act like
No he is not
underrated
Being 3rd best in KRc makes you good when their is a massive gap between finn vig and the rest lmao
okay but can we all agree on one thing in this channel - this is false
I’ve seen Aimgod on CC and he plays like Bebe zen
#hottake papadog low key the goat
krillin most underated player owl award
Lol
kyo is not a chance
He can’t
he's a top 10 flex support
Leave china
Chance meaning language barrier wise
Visa is very hard to procure
Its like when people call landon a top 2 NA zen like it means anything
He can't even compete with UV
Lmaoo
Fuck Mag
Krillin got hard gapped by both finn and vig
No
He isn't good
The rest I’ll purchase
Imho
Mag is a top 4 maintank if you ignore ball
Fuck no
Ain’t no way you believe Mag is better than MuZe