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I am a MT player
What does that mean
muze was not that special
shocking, i am too
Who Tf asked you if he’s special
not hard
Sorry @earnest leaf
sorry
Won’t happen again
he isnt
I think whats stands out for toronto is dps and the range of heros they cover.. 
you can have a top tier supportline and still not be capable of making the correct decisions and playing properly with your resources
sado did get a ton of resources from an amazing lineup
but he also squeezed the most value possible out of it
he knew how to maximize his value
that requires a fundamentally good mt player
you can give all your resources in the world to the mt but if the mt is fucking r0ar they wont know what to do with it
Agree
sure, but sado is still mid
ah of course because the plat rein said so
he was a top 3 main tanker
sado season 3 was the best overall MT this league has ever seen
not plat
Agree
F a t e
And always has been
but rank doesn't mean anything for this
Your gold?
imo
He is KR
his rein is dogwater
fate fearless and muze
He doesn't need to
meanwhile sados rein was fantastic
my power rankings for the 2021 overwatch league season
when i say overall mt i mean across all MTs
Bro got muted
his rein isnt mid
its worse
its atrocious
he has never been a good rein player
his monkey is solid but its not at the level of
hell
sado
Fate is just on a stacked ass team
no he wasnt
Gargoyle
He was
no lol
How are you gonna look bad with lip fleta iziyaki and LGJ
His orisa was so good
one hero and he wasnt even the best in the league at it
mfs got mad at me for what I said about sado
then turn around and use the exact same arguments for fate
And people called him an upgrade from fearless
even though fate actually won shit
Such as dogman
Go to bed clown
cope
Wait wait fearless bad? Nani
who said that...?
Who said dat
I cant follow this conversation 
not even allah can save you now
Leave the server
Hello
Ok
Rio the dude who is basically being carried by his team until they ate shit last year
also on sado and toronto
I think
does anyone want to take up a bet with me about them
Wdym
super based
Islam the true religion fr!
Bad
If toronto finishes top 5 by the end of the season in NA, I will buy a muze jersey
Fate rio gator
if they don't one of you has to buy a hadi jersey or some shit
Rhyno
If u buy me it
ill accept the first part
I will
nah gotta use your own money
I ain't dropping $80 on a bet I win
@ everyone
Isn't it funy
nah his rein is good people are just trippin
It is
Shanghai won
But still middling
A tournament
Imo
dpei is bipolar on his streams bro the guy literally goes on there and says the most random shit
He is the reason
@static ermine who are you nobody
They lost the first one @twin bloom
Dpei is a smart coach
He isn’t
said no one ever
Because fleta sucks
Sorry
he said oge>muze only for the start, and that muze could become better
Sucked
Pros on glads agree
he also didnt even say muze rein was bad he said muze rein isnt good in comparison to players like super and gator
Lip was deadlifting
Lmao
basically saying muze had a higher ceiling than oge
that was still a horrendously bad take
U name any main tanker
Dpei well r3spect3d coach
and not something you wanna say while that player is on your team
That is not
and is the literal replacement for the other guy
Fearless or fate
By every player
And
Dpei the bastard who had a championship level team and a world champion support who lost the plot before the season even started
I can prove muze is better
Fate owns dpei
@twin bloom
*yes i know brig brig brig^
They had moose
if toronto finishes top 5 NA you have to buy a muze jersey and if they dont then ill buy a muze jersey @earnest leaf
And mirror
Deal
Muze was top 3
Dpei has been gifted great teams ever since he took the helm of the gladiators
He isn't relevant
And didnt do shite
Now I don't
Thats a good way
Not very free thinking IMO
It isn’t
I disagree
who was a better ball other than fate
Top 3 monkey
He is not top 3 balls
Impressive credentials IMO
You’re wrong
Ga9a
Lmao
Every ball sucked
Other than fate
????
ga9a kinda mid
Mag

Lol
Mag💀💀💀
Mag ball wipes fate
Man I am talking about monkay
If u believe
Mag is worse than muze at monkay
Justice
You are dumb
No they wont
Kalios is good
He is washed up
He wipes half of ots
Shut up
But mag was under dpei 
Also assassin is just hated on blindly
Way better than that otp on every hero
Now justice has the god tydolla, everyone will be better
Bro I can't believe my favorite team just let MirroR go
Hes cheeks
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ans looks different
he became more gamer
moth on shock after super left concidense i think not
jk idk
coluge is the one shock signed
ok i will watch space tho
hes my other favorite
nobody told me moth retired 
wow
Name a bigger fall off than odyssey when rein isn't meta

Literally went from top 2 every month to none of them making owl

pilgrimage
owlel
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Fuck Uvalo
I’d rather not disgrace my genitals
owlel
Fuck you
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pass
i was going to say hard pass but that could be interpreted differently
Smash
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Good choice
probably cope diff
naw they kept Checkmate over Yaki Gargoyle and GangNamJin willingly
Yaki is expensive
Gargoyle is bad but still better than the benched playah coach
Adam
The goat majed will overtake jim in ow 2 IMHO
Gargoyle wouldn't be bottom 5 even worst case scenario
Like onigod
Stop saying dumb things please
what's their deaths per 10?
9
oh
Is there a code for a prediction league this season?
What’s the weapon accuracy
Its not
sans sucks
Its not
It is
seek mental help
@cedar oasis no bitches
@cedar oasis no maidens
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Who is "Jim"
It is American slang for “GangNamJin”
who is that
IT CLEARLY SAYS WHO THAT GUY IS
I AM YOUR NEW FATHER DIDNT YOUR MOTHER TELL YOU ABOUT ME
I PAY FOR EVERYTHING
SO YOU SHOULD CALL ME DAD NOW
no
how to bait
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tssk tssk another decay simp
decay is a good playa
happy is mid
kevster has the potential to be better
but yeah the players better than proper are in apac
lip leave
I would’ve loved to see a Proper vs Apr1ta duel in Contenders
proper clears
Shame the NEXT Cup is hosted by sissies that are too busy locked in chastity to allow players over 18 and/or part of Team Chaser to participate
apr1ta gets robbed from participating in every interregion tournament
Imagine if T1 could field MN3 instead of Kadalis
They could’ve placed 2nd in true Fusion fashion.
people who say hunters don’t have 2 S tier tracers have never watched apr1ta or are talking to me after chengdu implodes
lip = leave > proper
propah is better than leave at most heroes IMO
and i personally believe lip is the best player on the planet
what heroes is proper better on
leave is better on tracer echo and proper is better on ashe
thats wrong
proper rolls aprita
tracer is leave
youre wron
yes
g
i'll give leave echo
leave is da better genj IMHO
he was S tier on every hero he touched IMO
his doom was insane
💀 💀
agree
people that diss on his tracer based on "playtime" is dumb
just use logic
well
lip looked like an S tier tracer but calling lip best tracer with 2 hours is cringe
he definitely is if he plays tracer more
lip best tracer
hes not the best
but he got s tier value out of her
lip is the best tracer
when he played her
I am in the church of lip
It's fair to say that if he had to play tracer full time and deal with more situations it might change our look in his tracer
It's like saying ans has a really good sombra when he played like an hour or two on her max
I’m also in the church of leave echo hanzo tracer
except ans didn't look like an s tier sombra
lip is the best ashe in the world lmao
when he played her
agree
No but his sombra did unironically look pretty good
it looked decent
ans looked good on sombra when the team around him was smurf choi striker moth viol2t at peak or near peak
literally unfair
you can say the same for lip on tracer though tbf
no u cant lmao
just a thing of we need to see it more
I don't doubt lip tracer being good
ljg wasnt good either
just need to see it more to properly rate it
fate void fleta ljg izayaki with fate and fleta tanking is different
fate was doing air lmao
also ljg
other fdps are better than fleta
was really not that good
yes
for the first 2 stages lmao
Only striker gonna look washed on Boston
end of jj and all of ss he was rlly good
I say CC but what I really mean is playoffs
like this team screams low mid all around
victoria striker is good dps line
mcd the racist needs to be good
mcd faith could potentailly be good
tank not very inspirational
yeh, but then you have marve1 or punk
That’s a compliment
no idea about itsal
top mid is toronto, deffo
They have at least 5 players that are bottom 5
mid mid ratlanta
only good hero is sigma
Marve1 has an okay ball right?
Look at the roster now that I changed it, how much confidence is inspired?
it fell off
Marve1 ball looked worse than Belosrea, so no
Whos blacked out?
Yeah
Striker
breaking news
so went to paris level
MCD Crimzo decent, Victoria Valentine are alright
uprising pick up belosrea ameng to round out the mt rotation
The whole narrative for Boston is “yoo Striker is going to carry just like in season 1”
victoria is goated
philly gotta confirm sado and then hit top 2 with aimgod carrying
When this team is worse than the season 1 Uprising easily
At their peak at the time ofc
nah, belosrea ameng marve1 itsal gaebulssi punk riven >> gamsu note kalios
gamsu became a league player
Nah Kalios > Punk
the degenerate
But otherwise correct
If it happens
no
gaebulssi punk riven > note kalios
uprising have 7 tanks
GaeBullSsi Riven > NotE Kalios*
When accounting for talent in the rest of the league plus s1 Uprising at their peaks, they are
NotE Gamsu at the time was a top 5 tankline
Punk Marve1 Itsal best case are bottom 5
note gamsu, accounting for expansion, was just above average
NotE was 5th
note was not 5th
I rate space meko fury poko choi hotba higher by years end
note: just below average
punk: 17th
How many off tanks are in the league currently?
gamsu: like 7th or 8th adjusted for inflation
just talking about starters
itsal/marve1: like 16thish MAYBE
could be lower
striker: top 1
striker now: like 7th or 8th but washed
I personally thought they were better in their time
14th?
kellex: mid
Whom in the fuck
Is below that bottom 5 shitshow of a damage line?
mcd: 15th
london valiant mayhem although-less toronto choisehwan-less guangzhou
so 15th
17th once choisehwan and although (if it happens) get their issues sorted
Because 9/10 fdps that were worse than Valentine are no longer in the league
And the only other one that is equal is going to be permabenched in a different region
I do not rate Finale, but there is no universe where Victoria outperforms Heesu
And off tracer, Heesu demolishes a washed up Striker without a competent team or Crusty coaching
If he unwashes
I still have more faith in Heesu hard hitscan
Striker hanzo maybe
But not reaper or cowboy
Also, Uprising dps > Valiant dps???
I do not rate Innovation or Becky but they are not “worse than Victoria Valentine” bad
innovation becky is worse than victoria valentine
because victoria is good
diya diffs
Damn I woke up in the wrong alternate universe
Now, I haven’t watched Victoria in a while I will admit, but from what I did see he was mid vs a weak region
I also don’t have a lot of faith in someone that gets hard diffed by Hydron
you're missing one piece
victoria
is named after queen victoria
the most successful queen in england's history
therefore
he's the most successful dps in boston's history
@hot onyx
well, maybe elizabeth II arguably
so elizabeth in owl = mvp
That’s like saying Dreamkasper is named after the friendly white ghost so he is going to be the friendliest dps in Boston’s history
He dicked hydron lmao
Simple just got gapped very hard
Every game
Easy mistake to make
I’m going to need some footage of where that event took place
sfw discord
Even if it did happen
You’re brain is really small you wouldn’t be able to notice
Actually brain size doesn’t matter
somewhat
Ants can be more intelligent than whales
Disagree
MN3 would be a ROTY frontrunner if he wasn’t on such a shit team
Also it’s funny how when shy gets gapped by fits it’s a “team gap” and shy is still better but when Victoria doesn’t dog hydron every time he’s worse
He is
I never said Shy is better, I said there is an argument to be made
Also I just like baiting Levy
Idk same logic can be applied to u saying carpe is better than flora cuz yakpung is “better” than mano
Yakpung is better than Mano on ball
marginally
Only after kalios koined
Plus Carpe decided that it was a good time to play genji on numbani
Yakpung was still better on ball pre Kalios
Absolute doo doo on everything else
But he somehow had a competent ball
Something that Mano never had in the entire season
Disagree
I will respect your different opinion
Flora was better than Carpe in that match
But the same logic is applied to everyone else
Bianca was better than Hotba
Friday was better than Tobi
JJoNak was better than Alarm
Disagree
and lowkey other than profit and toyou spark better
Does that make them the better players overall because of those matchups in two head to heads?
hold on wym jjonak better than alarm
alarm never lose a head to head
sorry
he's kinda goated
JJoNak was better than Alarm when Fusion played against NYXL in the June Joust
I used that as an example
was he though
To say being better in a single head to head doesn’t make them the better player overall
Honestly probably not
I’m just using a lousy example at 11pm
Overall ofc
But because he lost to NYXL doesn’t make him worse than JJoNak correct?
I have got to stop discussing ow before bed
You can perform better than ur counterpart and still lose lmao
Yes but performing worse in one match doesn’t make you worse overall
Performing worse in 3 matches however does
If I got mtd’d by Yakpung 3 times I would retire on the spot
Rascal main tank doesn’t look too bad in hindsight 👀
You might be the dumbest person on earth
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First comment is good
Jjonak is still jjonak
It's just that nyxl is no more
Sad..
Jayjonak is a nobody compared to alarm
I would take alarm over jjonak on literally every support hero
I agree with Flameknightt
i agree
im just sayin jjonak is no slouch
great player 
michael jordan is goat
kobe still
hella sexy
jjonak just happy to be ow jail free
kobay does not enter my top 10
no, that's lebron top 2
it isnt
does this mean gwangboong is the best hs in OWL for beating lip
Gwangboong is definitely a better Widowmaker
On anything else nah
Sources: Shanghai good
20 votes and 19 comments so far on Reddit
It's also bigger than the losses Twitch made
And former Twitch staffers who worked with OWL in seasons 1-2 were furious how much cash was burned
Strange that a Toronto Defiant post was also circulating, but for both orgs they have other revenue streams to make up for that loss
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Ong?
Is the pick Ems up now
Ooh
I made some wild guesses for the pickems contest
Ah
my btag is one of those random things I remember for no reason
Can't remember my school email, but I can remember my btag
Pog
Who needs a tank anyways?
Me
@cedar oasis
Lol
preach
2 more fucking weeks of people claiming shock is gonna be top 3 even tho we have no information on what the meta is like and whats important
they are good
They can be good
I just have less faith in Kilo and S9mm than most people for some reason
they will do good
Plus to say they will consistently be top 3 with a solo tank and no main support is deluded
sans dont fucking donowall my dm
And I do not want to see more Viol2t main support
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atual fucking little bitch
i got so happy
but then saw the date
i hope you suffer
Valiant going for the tankless lineup
Get recked
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Oh shit I'm cooming for this
No shadowburn tho

top 3 in NA can happen given that many other NA rosters are incomplete/imperfect
why is post ask me to sign in? 18+?
FUCK YOU
it can but not top 3 overall
join vc meme boy
requires chengdu to explode seoul to bad coach glad to not dps dallas to bad meta atlanta to play not orisa
Hunters gonna drop Leave lmao
If I had to guess bye bye Yveltal and Leave
Yveltal to like Charge and like Leave to Dragons
leave wouldnt want to be a bench warmer
He's gonna have to
No other team can really utilize him
Spark is basically full
Charge maybe?
Chances of him going to NA are next to none
they are actually none
True
yeah at least i dont cope by contracting schizophrenia and creating an imaginary companion
No team really needs him honestly
Well actually I guess Fusion do
i mean even then not really
charge would be about it
Every team could use him
no they are full roster
valiant need 6th dps?
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Yeah
Shanghai is realistically the only team I see doing it and I bet they will
Because Leave may be on the bench but that's better than out a job
can I post Weibo links in #esports-news as proof for signings?
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also have this
should I put both?
i'll just ask modmail
will kill your career
i guess develop did get a job and so did molly
Leave is better than fleta
not on the dragons lol
the only hero youd put leave in over fleta is probably like tracer but you want the flexibility to play other things which leave is worse at
or well he hasnt played so we dont know
fleta just fits into the duo with LIP better for more coverage
leave fits on shanghai
lip leave is like apr1ta leave but better
you usually have lip in but for like double projectile or tracer echo or something
leave fleta
lip and then sub out dps 2 most of the time
Leave sucks tho
He doesn’t
that’s a good point
fleta pharah is
You’re braindead
overrated
Fleta is the 2nd best Pharah in the world
If you disagree you’re just trying to be different
whos #1
me

your crying in agreemeny
jinmu
fleta best pharah in the world*
wrong!
i mean
choose what you believe
but fleta is the greatest counter-pharah to touch the game
ever since S1
hahah
nero LMAo
That's silly
he has the highest pharah duel winrate in the league
look at the vods, man died to the doha echo 6 times per second
he is sleeping
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Valiant twitter really ain't posted nothing since feb
Not even this new roster update lmao
Bless valiant smm
if they don't pay their players what chance do i have of making bank?
Minimum wage laws
I’ve heard multiple people mention Iron to NYXL as a rumour, does anyone have any clue where that came from?
it’s a joke
ah
I know I’ve made that joke in several places I hope it didn’t start in response to me 😂
it's untrue since the new NYXL player is actually Asking
asking what
That can’t be true, I thought NYXL’s 6th player was YZNSA4
side note where do you get color roles
you need to be a regular to change colour
rip
sort of like Michael Jackson after he was a regular in the music industry for 20 years
Update: Multiple sources state that the Chengdu Hunters are expected to operate with the roster minimum that is allowed. Same with their back room staff.
Chengdu are currently evaluating as to who stays or goes.
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Leave Jinmu Apr1ta GA9A Nisha MMonk is pretty much the planned starting lineup
simply losing a couple benchies
im just curious are they going for: keeping good players, or keeping cheap players
if they lose both flex supports they can just sign Kyo and still be third at worst
if they lost GA9A i guess they could always just sign 800 or XRAY
i like gaga
true
GA9A is like the one CC player you would want to lock into your team
flexible af with talent to back it up
losing a top 5 main tank would sting but 800 is not a slouch
if they get rid of leave they could get some good cash
only cuz the best replacement they could get for him is kaneki
they werent gonna win with leave anyways so why spend the money when you can still be a top team in apac without him? 
Seawave exists?
hs player in my book
he was always decent
i am now diamond
boosted by my tracer
my support went nuts
Eu you would be masters by now
Cope
i play with a good tracer and win
Did you see their deaths per ten stats
it was real bad
sans was 9.5 deaths per 10 on tracer
ians was also 9.5 on cree somehow
They spend more time walking from spawn than shooting
I really wonder how they die that much
same
being the only people willing to press w in gold/plat does that to a mf



