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opinion sooo irrelevant

cedar oasis
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has ado won anything

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ever?

north relic
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Fearless was on 0-40 dragons

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oh no

north relic
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Must be a garbage player

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mn3 hasn't won anything

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must be bad player!!

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šŸ˜­ these arguments are just so fuckin braindead

plush grail
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ADO WENT TO SPARK

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AND DID JACK SHIT

hot onyx
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Mark my words

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FiXa robbed

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plush grail
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levy let me ask u something

noble nexus
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FiXa revved

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before you spew shit out of your mouth fr

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šŸ˜­

plush grail
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please touch a female

balmy wolf
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ado deserves another chance

hot onyx
noble nexus
hot onyx
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deserved

plush grail
noble nexus
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No one cares

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Onigod is a fraud

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jack

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calm down

noble nexus
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Nah

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Iā€™m dying rn

plush grail
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why

noble nexus
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Covid

north relic
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take some Advil

noble nexus
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Lost my sense of taste

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Boutta start supporting Paris

north relic
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Works every time

plush grail
noble nexus
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Good one

balmy wolf
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ew glads fans

noble nexus
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But I made the joke first

tropic herald
plush grail
noble nexus
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empathy

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1v1 me

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irl

hot onyx
next mesa
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everyone lets cry

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šŸ„²

plush grail
cunning patrol
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this discord is very odd

hot onyx
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This guy looks exactly like JJoNak

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young fractalBOT
vagrant jacinth
frosty patrol
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avrl said creative underrated

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so seoul top 2 overall

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duh

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avrl is based

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however creative is properly rated

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B tier

tropic herald
plush grail
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haha L

tropic herald
cedar oasis
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haha L

plush grail
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rent free

tropic herald
north relic
tropic herald
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Thereā€™s no difference between your head and your walls Bc Iā€™m in both of them

plush grail
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i will doxx u

hot onyx
north relic
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Rip the doomfist specialist

cedar oasis
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fuck

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florida dont have a tank now

north relic
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They have checkmate

cedar oasis
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no tank

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no one to play doom

north relic
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Who needs doom when checkmates rein is basically doom

earnest leaf
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If the xzi rumors were true mirror would have zero chance at ever playing

north relic
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doom specialist

earnest leaf
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because one of xzi/hydron would just perma start

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and checkmate if his trialbucks are true would be the first option for Fdps

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no real reason to keep a guy for solely doom/torb

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https://twitter.com/yeHHH/status/1516146030684876806

Albert Yeh (@yeHHH)

Chris is a great player, this decision doesn't change that. As we got familiar with OW2 we needed to tweak the roster in a slightly different direction. Initially we wanted MirroR to be a potential all-role player, but as we scrimmed we realized we wouldn't be able to utilize him

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vagrant jacinth
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Damn

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That's kinda sad

mortal cipher
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Thatā€™s unfortunate

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I kinda respect that they actually explained why

earnest leaf
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so maybe it was a thing of wanting to let him go rather then keeping him as a perma benchwarmer

mortal cipher
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Yeah I assume that the reason

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I mean he barely played last year

plush grail
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EMPATHY

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uvalo is being mean

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help me

mortal cipher
balmy wolf
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context?

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NOOOOOOOO

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NOOOOOOO

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lmao

worn falcon
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lol

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checkmate tank

trim shadow
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Florida dropping mirror to put all faith in xzi

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Sasuga florida

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What a sad season florida is probably gonna have since they technically have no flex now

hot onyx
trim shadow
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^

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Florida showing theyre fetish for voreism

twilit oriole
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Did these mfs drop him too

earnest leaf
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prolly just feels bad for mirror

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We good

plush grail
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@hot onyx

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fix ur shit

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dumbass

raw ermine
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there I deleted it

balmy wolf
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what color is Justice

balmy wolf
gusty rampart
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amazing

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https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/Washington_Justice

Liquipedia Overwatch Wiki
Washington Justice

Washington Justice is the team representing Washington, D.C., USA, in the Overwatch League. The Justice compete in the Western Division.
The team is owned by Mark Ein, owner of the Washington Kastles of World Team Tennis, and his company Washington Esports Ventures.

gusty rampart
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NYXL better

plush grail
twin bloom
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So ass

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Nyxl

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Is getting a western playah

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To replace him

tropic herald
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GiG

raw ermine
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yeah that guy is pretty solid

hot onyx
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Must be a glitch because I did no such thing

plush grail
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L

frosty patrol
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Chadmate, the near savior of Florida

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hot onyx
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Fucking Americans man

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ā€œYes letā€™s make a burger with a deep fried wheel of cheese as the patty instead of a circle of cow fleshā€

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you have to be kidding me

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hot onyx
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That is better than Mag

north relic
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And will inspire multiple main tanks with his outsttanding gamplay

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But heā€™s not on the Glads so heā€™s mid

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Reiner however

hot onyx
trail perch
trail perch
hot onyx
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Technically yes

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In terms of flexibility

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Yes he got diffed by Junbin, name someone who didnā€™t

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His ball and rein is league average

twin bloom
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Exist

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Solely because kellan is shit

hot onyx
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I am out of the loop

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Whom is rumoured?

twin bloom
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#Leakage

hot onyx
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Sh2pe?

twin bloom
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My source

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Trust me bro

hot onyx
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I trust you with my life

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Can you confirm or deny wether the signing is main tank legend Adam ā€œBeastā€ Denton?

mortal cipher
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Lol

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Kellan is not good

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he's a budget mag

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winston one trick

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rein not good

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winston good but not as good as fearless, mag, smurf, etc

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especially in overwatch 2

hot onyx
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What a disgrace

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Ok I saw someoneā€™s power rankings

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Who in their right mind has Boston above NYXL and Defiant

vagrant jacinth
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Has to be bait, that can't be real

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How far above?

turbid cargo
hot onyx
turbid cargo
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Wtf is this

vagrant jacinth
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Ew

hot onyx
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Only valid explanation is that they clicked a bunch of teams into random places while blindfolded and got lucky with top 4 and bottom 3

gusty rampart
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Wait no

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I'd never put Boston over NYXL

vagrant jacinth
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How do you justify boston > nyxl

gusty rampart
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Striker

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MCD

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Crimzo

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That's it

hot onyx
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How do you justify Boston > any team?

hot onyx
gusty rampart
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Boston > Florida Vancouver London Paris

hot onyx
vagrant jacinth
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I dunno what this person was smoking

hot onyx
gusty rampart
hot onyx
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Considering the Korean Spark players had problems with his personality Iā€™d be a little more worried than just racism

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Also MCD at peak was Creative level so idk what you mean by ā€œtalentedā€

turbid cargo
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Any east div power rankings?

twin bloom
hot onyx
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Boston is the only team that can compete with london for #20

gusty rampart
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You're wrong

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Straight up

twin bloom
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I am not

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And i will not be

hot onyx
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Most likely the typical Shanghai > Hunters Seoul > Fusion Spark > Valiant Charge malarkey

gusty rampart
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Florida and London are the competitiors

twin bloom
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Just because you are not aware

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Of the scrimbucks

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Doesn't mean I am wrong

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Sad

hot onyx
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Iā€™m just saying

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If Striker was still good

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Why would he join a team with Victoria and Valentine as his dps partners?

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Or Punk and Marve1 (at the time) as his tanks

vagrant jacinth
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London solos the league, next topic

hot onyx
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London 18th now they ditched PršŸ¤®v1de and Mayhem lost their carry

gusty rampart
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Prov1de wasn't gonna be awful and MirroR was far from their carry

hot onyx
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Mirror only good dps on Mayhem

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And the only good tank

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And the only good main support

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All they had to do is run it down mid with 4 Mirrors and Majed and win

twin bloom
cunning patrol
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Lmfao

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Mirror is terrible

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And Landon is much worse than provide

hot onyx
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Depends on whether you value mechanics or leadership more

cunning patrol
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Provide beats him in both lmao

hot onyx
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Better to have a consistent flex support that keeps the team alive than one that breaks away from team fights to chase the enemy dva

cunning patrol
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You are not very intelligent if you believe Landon is close to prov1de

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hot onyx
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Unless valiant secure leave

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They suck

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A lot

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leave is going to philly

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sad !

cunning patrol
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He wonā€™t

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Spark

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Is the highest possibility

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Fusion already has FiXa

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They donā€™t need a shitter like Leave

cunning patrol
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Cuz he has played

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With shy and guxue

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And spark are rich

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Can pay him

tropic herald
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also yoru OP

hot onyx
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Trading Pineapple Alphayi in exchange for Leave isnā€™t impossible

next mesa
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sasin clears ur favourite OT

hot onyx
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sasin clears handbin

cunning patrol
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Lmaoooo g2 suck

hot onyx
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But what about my third favourite OT Hanbin?

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hot onyx
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sasin clears a hybrid of hanbin and void

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hoid

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sasin clears hoid

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the best of hanbin and void

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sasin clears

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he is the TRUTH

hot onyx
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Yes but what about Toyou my 46th favourite off tank?

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The goat

trim shadow
north relic
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if leave goes to spark spark is 2nd apac imo

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Leave to seoul

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Profit leave fits

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šŸ˜Ž

north relic
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put leave in X team

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talk about how nasty their dps line is now

tropic herald
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Leave Pelican Mer1t Danteh

trim shadow
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If leave leaves to any team they automatically level up

earnest leaf
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Wonder what the best team you could make would be using only 1 player per NA team max

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Proper/Kevster/Iris/Ojee/Hanbin/Mag would kinda pound

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could also do the same but swap kevster for yaki, and iris for shu

mental vine
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can we ALL agree LA glads is the most well-rounded team in the west along with dallas fuel?

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Atl>glads

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Imho

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dudes at worst a top 3 dps in the league

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pretty expected lmao

twin bloom
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Leave hybird

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especially when most teams have one dps whos much better than the other

twin bloom
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Leave mykaylee

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Now good would it be?

cunning patrol
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to maybe

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above bottom 7

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hybrid had a total of 2 good maps i can remember

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Leave dalton

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he had a good hanzo game on havana

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Best dps

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Line

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In owl

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Imho

cunning patrol
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and matched da happ

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on da wid

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dorado

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dalton achieved breadsticks

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dalton top 5

twin bloom
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Dalton decent tracah playah

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Just had to play

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With ralph

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Hiz whole career

cunning patrol
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imo

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na players have a low chance of going to overleague

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so he had to take da offer from titans

twin bloom
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All the good NA players made owl this year

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and hope he got similar offer that da wave got

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Excepts for

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Iced

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Wub

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and lab

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"Iron"

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imo

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Lukemino

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I guess

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Even tho

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He's mid

north relic
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me

cunning patrol
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not you

north relic
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yes me

twin bloom
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Syrus king maybe

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Idk

cunning patrol
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k1ng young

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vision

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is good

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IMO

twin bloom
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If mayhem HC

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Wasn't biased for au buddies

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Vulcan or "iron" would probably

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Be in owl

cunning patrol
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adam

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possibly nepotist pickup?!

twin bloom
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Potentially

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Adam not even better

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Than krawi

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Sadly

cunning patrol
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i played against

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krawi in tryhard free for all

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he was playing baptiste

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i do not like him

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so adam is better

twin bloom
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Ok

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Mayhem could have gotten a european like KSAA or alex2704

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Over adam

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But gunbas

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Au bias

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Sad

cunning patrol
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i figured

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adam was fan pickup

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bcz mayhem knew they would suck

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north relic
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i dont see a problem with that

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maybe reign more well rounded slightly

earnest leaf
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I mean they are for the most part

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flexible MT player, OT player, double FS and a MS

north relic
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dps can play a lot of heroes

earnest leaf
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kevster is super flexible, really only not super flexible part is ans/pati

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depends if they are good at them though

earnest leaf
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and honestly I think ans will be fine flexing onto other shit

cunning patrol
earnest leaf
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he's good enough at the game to cover general HS heroes

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agree with their statement

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while i do believe that the gladiators suck

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Oh I see

cunning patrol
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compared to their standards

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Yeah I forgot

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Well rounded

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Not good

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Woops

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fuel play everything

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even double fs

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chiyo good fs

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Tru

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Chiyo so cracked

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Could probably play widow

north relic
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glads and dallas are both good also

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mmm

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glads

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maybe

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hope so

cunning patrol
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gladiators

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good team

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but not as good

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as some say

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too much has to go wrong for glads to not do well imo

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good team

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not contenders

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i personally have them as #4 north america

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#5 all round

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which i think is fair

next mesa
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unless there's hard widow meta

cunning patrol
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if they have to play pati

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will probably

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over extended amount of time

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get better as the season goes on

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similar to this years glads

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i just hope they do not choke like this years gladiators

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to a team with an inferior roster (atlanta)

mortal cipher
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Are you calling last year Atlanta or this year Atlanta inferior

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last years (season 4)

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i believe that outside of the flex damage position (still close), the gladiators were the better team

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kai imo was better than birdring on hitscan

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probably better ashe cass

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and widow

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but birdring could play sombra which was big

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Kai also had a really nasty hanzo

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and a good symm

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cunning patrol
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but you are wrong

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birdring better

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bird literally dogged him in duels

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and went crazy against paris

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kai had one good widow map all season and it was against titans

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kai's past struggles in the widow 1v1 all stars prevents me from ranking him too high, unfortunately

earnest leaf
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Widow wasn't really ever played in s4

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s3 kai widow was pretty good though

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birds was better

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in s3 too lmao

earnest leaf
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in s3 absolutely not

cunning patrol
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you are not very bright

earnest leaf
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Granted it was more because of his team

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IMO

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playoff birdring

earnest leaf
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but birdring 100% had a bit of a dip in s3

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birdring was insane

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and kai was deadlifting valiant in s3

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no he didnt lmao he was insane

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also bird dogged kai on cree when they met lmao

earnest leaf
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why does this chat always have such bad takes

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I swear

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you are wrong and dumb

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IMO

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For the past two season I think Kai has been the better player in the heroes he's had to play for his teams

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Birdring is pretty close but I would give it to kai in the end

feral wing
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bird > kai

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for sure

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both historically and in every season that both players have played in

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kai has been very good these past 2 seasons, im not taking that away from him

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but birdring has also been fantastic

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and better in my eyes

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birdring is also just the dps GOAT in general

north relic
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you guys are dumb

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bird cass got diffed by viol2t

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bad player

earnest leaf
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true

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Viol2t did do dirty things to him on gib

cunning patrol
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birdring is better than kai at every hero in overwatch and kai himself would attest to that

earnest leaf
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Incorrect

cunning patrol
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he told me himself

feral wing
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can confirm

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i am kai

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imo flameknight

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unfortunately that also makes me british

cunning patrol
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kai u suck!!!!

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since u think danteh is a tier

feral wing
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wait wait wait

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i am leaning towards jazzy

feral wing
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what

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LOL

cunning patrol
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u are not always leaning towards me

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is very sad to hear

feral wing
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danteh a tier is an astronomically hot take

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mmm

earnest leaf
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It really isn't

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jazzy we have our differences

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the guy is painfully mid

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feral wing
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and ive always liked danteh

cunning patrol
earnest leaf
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My reasoning for him being A tier is that his primary use on outlaws this year will be tracer/sombra, which are his best heroes

feral wing
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ever since the minecraft days

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maybe not on sombra

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its arguable

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If I was rating him overall for the whole role, I would put him B

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But his tracer/sombra are easily A

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cunning patrol
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dankteh tracer is barely top 20 i fear

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feral wing
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šŸ

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maybe #16-18 range

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i will name players if requested

earnest leaf
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I swear you guys troll me intentionally

feral wing
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danteh tracer is good but the expectations on owl tracers nowadays are crazy

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dude

cunning patrol
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i am not trolling

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lmao

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its not trolling

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its just being smart

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feral wing
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2 sec ill go name you every better tracer player in the league as of this current moment

cunning patrol
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shut up i wanna do it

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not as good as true goats like stimpy but

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very epic

feral wing
cunning patrol
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ok hes doing it anyway

feral wing
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shit was hilarious

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no wait i wanna do it

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ayt just do it

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we all do it separately

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and in 5 minuts

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we come back

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mmm

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and post it at the same time

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u guys do it

feral wing
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cus its funny

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@cunning patrol u in

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i will add

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šŸ™

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if necessary

earnest leaf
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I bet If I gave an ice cold take people would disagree with me

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fits #2

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cold take

north relic
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lip #1

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ok

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Im typing it out

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2 sec

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i have barely made the 20 mark with a few stretches

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bro thats y i say

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16-18

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imo

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nah i got past 18

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p easily

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im slightly stumped here

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however

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i have 19

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atm

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did u get choisehwan

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yeah

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at the end here its getting arguable though

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yeah agree

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shax i would put on here if he didnt have such a shit season with london

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idk i think these players all have the potential to overtake him

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i put shax cuz he still had some good moments

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no kap boutta put heesang even tho hes rotting in t2

feral wing
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but like

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did u get stalk3r?

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defining tracer players as well

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is just kinda weird

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feral wing
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cus a lot of the time it just depends on what dps hero is most important in the comp

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stalk3r based

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and who is better at that hero

cunning patrol
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then the other person plays tracer

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good take jazzy

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šŸ˜˜

cunning patrol
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i was boutta say edison

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mmm

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but ive been hating on him all offseason

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its arguable

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to piss off slade

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so i didnt

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mid vs mid

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yk

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edison aint better than danteh

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yeah i have 20 now

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after some reconsideration

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but again it does get very arguable at the end here

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alright send them chiefs

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Proper, Fleta, Kevster, Yaki, Leave, LIP, Shy, Profit, Choisehwan, Striker, Flora, Carpe, MN3, Decay, Stalk3r, Glister, SP9RK1E, Although, Pelican, Heesu

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leave kevster yaki proper striker venom victoria choisehwan lip fleta profit pelican flora stalk3r sp9rk1e decay apr1ta alphayi shax hydron

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top 10 this year

feral wing
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no real order

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just listed them

cunning patrol
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your list sux jackerco

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mf put venom

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are u out of ur mind

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shut up

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venom is insane

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no hes not

cunning patrol
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many analysts agree

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venom is good

cunning patrol
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yeah

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better than hydron

cunning patrol
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see levy here

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agrees

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at tracer

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we're talking strictly tracer

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venom is

feral wing
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mf u put hydron

cunning patrol
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also u put glister mn3 and heesu šŸ¤¦

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hella gud

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hydron is better than glister at tracer lmao

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year

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youre either high or u didnt watch shock games

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hydrogen owns him

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no he doesnt

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not even close

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he does

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youre wrong

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glister tracer was actually kinda nuts at the end

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also heesu is the one i thought was most arguable

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but i know he is a good tracer player he just has never been the tracer player on his teams

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as of late

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to be frank na1st is the better tracer #hottake

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u need allah

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go find god

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dont come back till you find him

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shut up nerd

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at least you didnt put victoria

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i kinda agree

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honestly

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should've put victoria

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holy shit i swear people dont watch the games

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victoria is good

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jack just hates on victoria cuz i like him

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victoria is straight garbo ive seen better players on the street

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victoria is better than carpe

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carpe told me himself

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carpe is the best dps in the league

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carpe told me himself

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heesu only played tracer at the end lmao

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aspire is da better tracer to be frank

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thats why i said i think it was arguable

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he didnt play a ton of it last season

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but i know from the past that he used to be quite a talented tracer player

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Wouldn't be surprised if aspire was better than na1st on every hero

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victoria was the legit player on uprising academy

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no player on that roster was legit

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there was 1

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and its victoria

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donkey roster

north relic
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in standard jazzy fashion

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yeah hes that good

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meanwhile i named actually 20 players

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who i think are better or arguably are

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shut up hoe u said heesu

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yeah i stand by that

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its danteh we're comparing to here

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this just give me room to say victoria

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not leave

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u should be pissed

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its not the highest bar of all time

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anyways guys

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also there is no way u believe carpe is a better tracer than the goat venom

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lets all be friends and agree

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danteh #20

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venom was a decent tracer player in one of the worst regions

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u forgot 2 players

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venom was the best tracer player in a top 3 region

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top 3 region

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hey its true

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you know what that is jazzy

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thats like the saudi team

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dont come to me with that eu bullshit

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thing with tracer is doing a 1-20 list doesn't really do much

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tweeting they got top 6

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imo tiers are better for tracer

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out of 6 fucking teams

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thats what that is jazzy

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they still

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got top 6

earnest leaf
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Since the gap between certain players isn't super big

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ok

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danteh is a c tier tracer

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an a tier sombra

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ok jazzy lets make a tier list

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a b tier sombra tracer

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and come back with it

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with what

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hop in my dms bbygirl

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B tier FDPS but A tier if sombra/tracer only

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ez

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okkkkkk

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danteh is a B fdps imo

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but being 20th on tracer makes it stupid to be A tier

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Tracer is arguably one of the most stacked heroes in the league

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I wouldn't say it's a bad thing to even be top 20 on her

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probably is the most stacked hero

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if you are top 20 on her then you are worse than at least 15 other teams tracers

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actually

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maybe not

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thing is some teams have multiple top tracers

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lets say it like this though

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so even if maybe 15 are ahead of you, you might only face 12

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ok

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every team in na

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has a better tracer

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than danteh

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except for

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a few

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if your tracer is worse than at least half the league you dont deserve A

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Thing is the gap between tracers isn't that big imo

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like the gap between sparkle/danteh/edision wouldn't be that big regardless of who you rate higher or lower

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also apac has a lot of the good tracers, where danteh might face them once or twice a season

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gotta look mainly at NA if you want to compare other tracers to danteh

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@earnest leaf u still here?

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i did not have any influence on a few of these picks

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mainly venom

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striker S

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i asked for that

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you said yourself

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but he shut me down by saying

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boston fan

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sad...

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striker isnt gonna be S this season

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are the tiers ordered?

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uhh kinda kinda not

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nero vs danteh is ordered

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cause fleta 2nd best tracer

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is a crime

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not rly fleta tracer is overhated as fuck

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people act like he individually isnt good

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but he literally is

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2nd best though

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but what makes his tracer one of the best

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is his coordination and teamwork

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which is one of the most important aspects of tracer

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fleta is a supportive tracer

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especially nowadays

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ppl acting like hes not talented enough to be an ace tracer

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and that i think is more valuable than even a leave carry tracer style

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the tiers are also not ordered

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he is definitely one of the lower ones in that lmao

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leave that is?

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no fleta

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oh

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i am not going to listen to ur fleta vs leave take again!

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i mean yeah kinda but i think fleta is a more valuable tracer nowadays

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at least for ow1

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if youre aiming to be a top team at least

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if youre just aiming to have a hard carry then leave

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ow2 might be different

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ow2 should be hard carry

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it looks like it

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if its so dps centered

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at least

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earnest leaf
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that tier list is wack

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its very smart IMO

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whats the problem

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weirdos

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lip is better than fleta

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on tracer

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those are little things

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that i had no influence over

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if i had control i would have the GOAT venom a tier

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the tier list is decent

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isnt zest tracer better than mn3's though

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a take

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which is not grounded in reality whatsoever

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lmao

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lip played 2 hours of tracer and it was literally just in the may melee

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in that one meta

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in the one tourney

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mn3 is like 3 tiers above

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he was great in that tourney but he is far from proving himself as a consistently great tracer player

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to rival someone like fleta

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fleta was consistently a top tracer throughout the entire season

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just look at his mechanics

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better than fleta

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100%

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it was

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feral wing
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why do you consistently have the worst takes in the world

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and why are you everywhere

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4 servers

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did i ask

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No

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u did

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IMO

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I acknowledge

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didnt ask dont wanna hear bozo

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Sadly

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+ratio

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My takes

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Better than your moderating

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me?

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as a mod?

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i am biased

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and i have double standards

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id argue that makes me a great mod

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Agree

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because thats what all mods aspire to be

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im the best mod in this server

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depends

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whats ur opinion of ans

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Ans is shit

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not u baaz0

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Will hold glads back

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Ok

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im asking the other guy

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I am giving

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My take

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On the matter

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and i dont want to hear your take on the matter

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Ok

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Ans is still bad

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Imho

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yes that much is true

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he sucks i fear

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mmm

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not on widow

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He does

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and cassid

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y

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what

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his cassidy is his worst hs

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hard hs

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Patiphan is better

next mesa
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which is all he needs to be good at

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that is

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Who also sucks

feral wing
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ans has never had a great cassidy

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Kevin

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Needs to deadlift

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Lackluster

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kevin persson

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Dps to

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the son of notch

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Be top 3

cunning patrol
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IMO

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glads will be #4 north america

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what is your top 4 na then

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jaaz0

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if u think

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ans bad at widow

twin bloom
next mesa
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u trippin

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Pls get jesus

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If you believe

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That

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where in that sentence

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did i say that

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You will

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Say that

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I know

feral wing
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who would you take over defiant then

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give me a full list

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of na teams

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Ok

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wrong

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According to analysts in pro scene

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And Scrimbucks

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ATL

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Fuel

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Glads

cunning patrol
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bro scrimbucks LOL

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Titans

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ok

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Midlaws

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#1 fuel

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Sadly

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#2 reign (suck my balls theyre actually good jack)

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#3 sanfrancisco shock

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They are bettor

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that reign roster is just not impressive

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#4 gladiators

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Shock

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and their coaching is questionable

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So defiant

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also basing yourself on scrimbucks is hilarious

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im not

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According to analysts

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lmao

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And pros

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im talking to baaz0

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Is 8th

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In NA

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pros have the worst takes

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You cannot with a straight face look at toronto's roster and rate it top 5

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most of them cant even name all the players in their own league

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historically it isnt

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Thats why

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And western players

cunning patrol
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Dont know

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i can

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Koreans

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also analysts in the pro scene have shit takes too, most of them think ans was the best hs of all time in 2020

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not even in NA

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toronto is not top 5

cunning patrol
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they are

earnest leaf
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that is straight pure copium

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it isnt

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you probably think

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outlaws are better

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lawl

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@feral wing Do you trust boston bottom 1

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Scrimbucks

earnest leaf
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outlaws are easily better

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i think it makes sense that they would be bottom 1

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Or londone Bottom 2

cunning patrol
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Scrimbucks

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both of those make sense to me

earnest leaf
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All toronto has going for them is a good support line

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only at the flex damage position

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and off tanker

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i dont necessarily 'trust them' but logically it makes sense in my head that they would be there

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They are starting

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Finale

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First stage

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because logically in my head the roster and coaching is way better than that

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As well

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especially compared to the teams around them

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a good main tanker

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good hitscan

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zarya one play ot

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No they have a good supp line

earnest leaf
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Muze is legit just a slightly better sado

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Mid hs

earnest leaf
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Heesu is mid

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Bad MT

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Sorry

feral wing
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shit take after shit take

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And bad ot

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Pros agree with me

cunning patrol
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Everyone hates moose

feral wing
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dude you cant throw out pros agree with me like it matters

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In the pro scene

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Meme

earnest leaf
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sado is hard mid

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he isnt

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Him all da time

cunning patrol
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he is a good player

trim shadow
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Man yall getting hostile MZ48_codm_ugandawut

cunning patrol
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sado only looked good with a literal top 3 support line backing him

cunning patrol
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i am being a civilized member of this discord

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Chorong twilight

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So good

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But moose

feral wing
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So mid

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And finale

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So bad

cunning patrol
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Moose finale hotba

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you are holding against him

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The little 3

feral wing
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a resource heavy main tank looks better when the team knows how to support him

cunning patrol
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that he looked better with

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alarm astro

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Of defiant

cunning patrol
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than neptuno boombox

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LMFAO

earnest leaf
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If you only look good with the best players backing you, probably means you aren't that special yourself

trim shadow
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Honestly yea if sado has the backline hes solid

earnest leaf
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Same thing happened with muze

feral wing
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baaz0 can you stop typing like a spaz

cunning patrol
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not to mention he put up genuinely good performances on toronto

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@feral wing Thoughts on opener krillin assasin

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Little 3 of

earnest leaf
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his individual play was ok, but the backing of a really good team exaggerated it

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Justice

feral wing
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how much do you actually know about mt play