Ot op in ow 2
#esports-discussion
twin bloom
hot onyx
He underplayed in season 3 with IMT and great with NineK season 4
As long as Hotba has a good coaching structure and a good team by his side he can do great
And would you look at that
hot onyx
Heesu Although MuZe CH0R0NG Twilight KDG Mobydik
trim shadow
I quite like the line up of dps toronto has
Its either dallas last year amazing
Or itll floo
FLOP
hot onyx
Toronto mid
Clearly someone that sees Although as his season 3 self
tropic herald
Clearly someone that sees Although as his season 3 self
I don’t care how good the players are that team is cursed to be mid
hot onyx
And also underrates a top 6 tank and support line
hot onyx
I don’t care how good the players are that team is cursed to be mid
You’re mid
tropic herald
They could’ve signed the full Shanghai roster and they’d still be mid
hot onyx
This is the year the Toronto cycle of Midery breaks
trim shadow
Betta god damn hope cause this team will go far or will go far and hit a giant fuckin wall
earnest leaf
can't wait for toronto to go .500 and never make a meaningful push in a tourney
cunning patrol
thats wrong
hot onyx
thats wrong
Afraid other talent in the league is just more talented and less racist
trim shadow
Toronto and houston changes placed
willow tartan
better than roolf
cunning patrol
Afraid other talent in the league is just more talented and less racist
provide isnt good
but hes better than majed
hot onyx
Afraid Majed peaked higher in trendies
tropic herald
trim shadow
Was it majed that played in world cup and was impressive or was that light
trim shadow
Ye doesnt rlly boost them up tho
gusty rampart
They better sign Agilities next
north relic
I don’t care how good the players are that team is cursed to be mid
people believed this about dallas
twin bloom
but hes better than majed
Majed isn't worst FS on his team
twin bloom
And he's bettor than Skairipa(supposed OWL stah in scrimmages)
trim shadow
Since we are talking about toronto potentially being mid i hoped over to houston to check them out and this is actually a mid team
earnest leaf
nah houston is gonna fuck
hot onyx
And he's bettor than Skairipa(supposed OWL stah in scrimmages)
Skairipa is miles better than Pr🤮v1de
earnest leaf
top 5 ez
trim shadow
With who?
hot onyx
And if he was in NA he would’ve had a better performance
twin bloom
Skairipa is miles better than Pr🤮v1de
Every western playah disagrees
trim shadow
They might fuck florida and boston
tropic herald
Houston is going to be so mid Bc they signed mid players like Pelican and Ir1s and Piggy yeah
earnest leaf
top 5 na will probably be shock/dallas/glads/houston/reign in no order
tropic herald
Send tweet
twin bloom
Skairipa is miles better than Pr🤮v1de
Also I said majed is better than skai not provide even tho provide is bettor
willow tartan
top 5 na is like dallas glads (if pati ans keep up) atlanta outlaws (if sign mt and ms) shock (if sign ms)
with nyxl (if sign ms another dps and mt) toronto and justice able to supplant them
trim shadow
I dont like how crusty has a fresh team cause this could just b a year of the rebuid then actually playing for something
earnest leaf
this isn't the nfl
earnest leaf
teams can't really have "rebuild" years
shock's roster was picked to go for the championship
willow tartan
apac is like chengdu seoul battling for second and then fusion valiant spark and charge i can see them being placed anywhere above or below eaech other
trim shadow
Im calling it the year of the rebuild cause they sure arent winnig a title if this is what they are fielding
twin bloom
Worst Fs in NA region
earnest leaf
They still might sign a MS
hot onyx
apac is like chengdu seoul battling for second and then fusion valiant spark and...
Valiant is not better than Spark in any role on an individual level
earnest leaf
and also probably aren't gonna force MS outside of brig
trim shadow
Crusty has lost everything but his coaches 
twin bloom
>viol2t lucio
Lucio not relevant in owahwatch 2
earnest leaf
especially now with coluge solo tank
willow tartan
Valiant is not better than Spark in any role on an individual level
But Spark can shit the bed
earnest leaf
he ain't gonna run rein
earnest leaf
stand1 is mid1
willow tartan
he is very average yes
hot onyx
But Spark can shit the bed
I don’t care, Spark have too much talent to shit the bed this year and Valiant has 2 decent players that aren’t even top 4 in their region
willow tartan
I don’t care, Spark have too much talent to shit the bed this year and Valiant h...
They have Changgoon
twin bloom
Changoon is a good coach
trim shadow
Seoul had Changgoon
Changgoon coaching
willow tartan
They were 11th overall actually
trim shadow
Spark should be a contender
hot onyx
Who the hell beat them outside of Outlaws and Defiant?
trim shadow
This has quite fucking litterally been the case for three years
willow tartan
I doubt spark will be up against chengdu/seoul unless one of those two teams drop the ball
hot onyx
Oh wait I did math wrong
trim shadow
And they find the most magical ways to play below thenmselves
hot onyx
But if Seoul made 11th with a roster that had only two good players that aren’t even consistently good
Spark can do it with 4 great players 2 good players and a talented winston one trick
willow tartan
not one trick
hot onyx
Unless Bernar or Architect gets any form of playtime
willow tartan
still dont think they will beat chengdu or seoul... at least not right off the bat
trim shadow
At least this year shanghai probably wont be able to dominate so easily
hot onyx
still dont think they will beat chengdu or seoul... at least not right off the b...
They can definitely beat Seoul
And go toe to toe with Hunters
hot onyx
BLG vs Chaser rematch essentially
willow tartan
seoul players are proven
we dont even know if LiGe will decide to play the game or not
hot onyx
Proven to be inconsistent
willow tartan
proven to have high peaks
hot onyx
Plus off tank metas
trim shadow
Would it be a stretch to say it jjonak was still her seoul is probably the best in the region
hot onyx
Smurf off tank vs Bernar worst case scenario
willow tartan
like humongous stretch
hot onyx
Who wins
trim shadow
Are u sure
willow tartan
like the stretch the size of the european continent
hot onyx
Depending on how high you smoke the 2018 hopium
willow tartan
stretching so much that you will physically injure yourself
hot onyx
The best korea has to offer in terms of legacy
Carpe Fury Aimgod????
trim shadow
Smurf a 2x world champ
Jjonak mvp sorts top of his game support semi consistent
Fits who constantly is at the top of stat sheets
Profit the first owl champion sorta mvp and playoff demon
Yes carpe has been mega consistent
Fury is actually a god
But in terms of combos dont think u can get any higher then this
If fury was on this squad its basically world cup calliber
willow tartan
if world cup was to happen the whole shanghai dragons would be your team
they are all korean, why fuck with pre-existing synergy, that's the dub.
trim shadow
Probably add anamo to reunite with jjonak
willow tartan
pre-existing synergy = roll over rest of competition
trim shadow
Unbeatable
twin bloom
if world cup was to happen the whole shanghai dragons would be your team
No it would be proper pelican lip Fate Hanbin lJG shu
twin bloom
for the sake of diversity shu instead of izayaki
Shuseph is better
cunning patrol
No it would be proper pelican lip Fate Hanbin lJG shu
Where is void
north relic
mykl trying to make s4 dallas look bad
next mesa
Proven to be inconsistent
proven to be sexy
gusty rampart
Smurf a 2x world champ
Jjonak mvp sorts top of his game support semi consistent...
JJoNak is always consistent
next mesa
Would it be a stretch to say it jjonak was still her seoul is probably the best ...
no avrl said seoul constructed a dragons beater and i agree
they would have a sexy rivalry
gusty rampart
Not one time in a NYXL game last year did I go out thinking it was JJoNaks fault
north relic
wow
maybe because of the gaping holes nyxl had
feather wasnt that good
ivy decided to fuck off
leaving flora gwangboong
in a double fdps meta
next mesa
they still did fine
next mesa
jjonak was very good
that game against sandbagging dragons
they would've still gotten 3-0ed
if it wasn't for jjonak
such a tragic team
jjonak and sometimes flora just deadlifts them
gwangboong was good like 10% of the time
and his heroes were dogshit
so like it doesnt even matter that much
twin bloom
"they abused luck"
Yes they got lucky
north relic
give that man a break he's like 55 years old
his brain is on ping
gusty rampart
Friday, Bianca, and Yakpung were commonly at fault
north relic
friday wasnt at fault
gusty rampart
^^^^^^
worn falcon
posting things everybody already has seen
none posted that shit so eh
gusty rampart
I was watching S3 NYXL
gusty rampart
And JJoNak was being attacked and Anamo peeled
north relic
none posted that shit so eh
gusty rampart
Never saw Friday do that lol
north relic
Yakpung was so unbelievably mediocre
more mediocore than rio?
gusty rampart
But never showed like anything much at all
Rio even worse
Cr0ng just carried
Bianca was so unbelievably bad
next mesa
kalios was kinda good
gusty rampart
Kalios was very good
mortal cipher
He has a point there
tropic herald
Twitter
noble nexus
Facts
willow tartan
vio poop hahaha
cunning patrol
That tweet was very justified for the time it was tweeted
mortal cipher
Violet returns to his goats origin
Violet the support player plays everything but support
north relic
what match was it
was it houston shock when jjanggu shatters on havana?
tbh viol2t did die first a lot
crimzo > viol2t is a wild take though
north relic
you did
willow tartan
if viol2t didnt die last fight they woulda won
willow tartan
who the fuck is chucky
north relic
wait the tweet was sept 2021
willow tartan
ya?
willow tartan
watch third party tournaments
north relic
nah fuck that
you cant watch yaki diff kevster
in third party tourneys
you cant watch ow2
in third party tourneys
willow tartan
actually i dont know if any teams is going to play in third party tournaments
since they moved to OW2
willow tartan
remember when last year nexus cup
north relic
yea
willow tartan
seoul beat fuel?
willow tartan
unfortunately no nexus cup or shanghai masters this year
lost thicket
Also DPS Violet why
IT WORKED ONE TIME
willow tartan
"worked"
north relic
IT WORKED ONE TIME
it worked one time
lost thicket
and then never again
noble nexus
also i just found a ss of avast preseason rankings
Remember when Charge’s dps was swagging out in that preseason tourney
north relic
Remember when Charge’s dps was swagging out in that preseason tourney
what universe
do you put charge 2nd
im a seoul hater
but seoul 2nd to last also
north relic
2nd apac though?
willow tartan
i mean seoul was 2nd to last last year lol
noble nexus
That’s a little extreme ya
north relic
and their roster rfom s3 to s4
They downgraded
willow tartan
just that they massively becaome more cosnsistent in regular season
north relic
Who was below
frosty patrol
ating single handedly gave the hunters 6th
willow tartan
oh i forgot london existed
north relic
London hunters?
frosty patrol
yes
willow tartan
yea
frosty patrol
ating single handedly gave hunters 6th
north relic
Cope
next mesa
also i just found a ss of avast preseason rankings
Avast moment
willow tartan
it is mostly reasonable for a preseason ranking
i woulda rated philly higher myself
what am i saying i did rate them higher
balmy wolf
im a main tank on fusion
willow tartan
good thing fury will bench u
twin bloom
also i just found a ss of avast preseason rankings
Avast NA rankings were worse somehow
earnest leaf
cuz sirmajed is getting thrown through visa hell
kariv probably had one still up and was the easiest option
hot onyx
Damn big L to lukemino
Isn’t Lukemino main support with bap?
Oh well, more bad flex supports in the league technically boosts Aimgod up the rankings
📈
vagrant cargo
I like ur mindset
vagrant cargo
I mean viol2t was kinda shit
No.
vagrant cargo
i got more hours on ana than him in the past 3 years bro
Viol2t has pretty nutty Ana mechanics ironically
He just plays her wrong
Still an A tier Ana tho
vagrant jacinth
Noo I wanted majed to make it over
lost thicket
Someone needs to stand right behind Viol2t when he plays ana to micromanage the shit out of him tbh
also
plush grail
Oh well, more bad flex supports in the league technically boosts Aimgod up the r...
lmaooo this cope is so sad
north relic
Owlel
earnest leaf
I wouldn't be surprised if viol2t's ana is actually good
He might just hate playing her or something
hot onyx
Ana requires too much team play
Never seen Viol2t play around his team in all 4 years of his career
plush grail
sans ow?
hot onyx
I would but I’m not at my nans
north relic
Never seen Viol2t play around his team in all 4 years of his career
He played mercy once
hot onyx
Unless you want to play OW with me on PS4
plush grail
cringe
hot onyx
He played mercy once
Less of a team player than Neptuno
frosty patrol
Owlel
north relic
You’re just dumb
hot onyx
@plush grail I can play pretty much now
hot onyx
<@!398500839469219850>
Laptop is updating
plush grail
go faster
plush grail
how slow is ur shit
north relic
He uses virgin wifi remember
hot onyx
92%
Had a surge of power that schlorped the update meter by like 20%
Should be like 5 minutes
plush grail
Slow Virgin
plush grail
@hot onyxHURRY UP
vagrant jacinth
OWLEL 47
north relic
sly lagoon
Fast recorvery carpe
hot onyx
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/tww5ps/carpe_tests_positi...
"Fusion is not a cursed team"
cedar oasis
L
north relic
Imma type L when you get diagnosed with cancer
hot onyx
"when"
vagrant jacinth
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/tww5ps/carpe_tests_positi...
Ah fuck
north relic
trolling owd users is fun
hot onyx
they all lived
north relic
Everyone asking when is archives and im just typing it’s delayed
north relic
good immune system
I don’t think that’s how it works
plush grail
no way carpe gets really sick from covid
north relic
Sans is coping
plush grail
he's positive but he's probably vaccinated
cedar oasis
Imma type L when you get diagnosed with cancer
do it
north relic
he's positive but he's probably vaccinated
His respiratory system won’t be able to handle hopium now
cedar oasis
fusion sign xzi now
hot onyx
zip your pie hole
cedar oasis
xzi too good for fusion actually nvm
hot onyx
Xzi better than MN3?
cedar oasis
yes
hot onyx
get help brainless chump
plush grail
cedar oasis
xzi better then carpe
worn falcon
No, Carpe supremacy
north relic
You know you made a bad take when addi agrees with you
cedar oasis
xzi better then carpe is not a bad take
hot onyx
off mccree it is
cedar oasis
a bad take is edison better then carpe
hot onyx
Carpe widow slightly better and Carpe ashe miles better
north relic
Xzi widow better
hot onyx
average Carpe hater
north relic
I don’t even hate carpe
cedar oasis
average carpe simp
cunning patrol
You know you made a bad take when addi agrees with you
Addi is smart
cunning patrol
Carpe widow slightly better and Carpe ashe miles better
Xzi is the better hanzo widow cree
Carpe is the better Ashe
Tracer
north relic
Addi is smart
Stop jerking yourself off
devout path
JAZZY IS GENIUS
cunning patrol
Fr
vagrant jacinth
No surprise
Facts. Carpe > xzi
willow tartan
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/tww5ps/carpe_tests_positi...
stage 1 is regional so its all g
cunning patrol
N/T/B
north relic
not that based
balmy wolf
jazzy is not addi
north relic
jazzy is not addi
False
cunning patrol
Shut up
lost thicket
Xzi is such a cool name tbh
what's the greatest upset in owls history
in your opinion
next mesa
Hm
Does dragons over shock count in s2
I honestly forgot who were the favourites lol
wide minnow
next mesa
A couple of free Ws for seoul
wide minnow
frosty patrol
A couple of free Ws for seoul
spark aren't a free w
and you never know what mn3 will do
hot onyx
don't remind me about May 6th 10AM GMT
wide minnow
I'll ping u for sure
hot onyx
spark aren't a free w
Spark beat Seoul for sure
and there is a chance where they shit the bed harder than Fusion on some stages
0-2 start isn't out of the question
frosty patrol
my upset watch is like
eternal shock, outlaws fuel, chengdu shanghai, spark seoul, justice fuel
next mesa
Spark beat Seoul for sure
Wrong
hot onyx
Eternal beating Shock but not Fusion beating Seoul?
frosty patrol
Eternal beating Shock but not Fusion beating Seoul?
I only pick 5 games for the weekly
Upset Watch With Mike
but yes
hot onyx
Spark vs Seoul is a game I would be willing to wager on
if they ran the correct players
if Bernar or Architect get a sniff of playtime it's over
hot onyx
normally I'd agree
cedar oasis
3-0
frosty patrol
in both
hot onyx
but aren't Outlaws and Justice playing against a Finale fielding Defiant?
frosty patrol
with upset potential
hot onyx
also Piggy Pelican Iris already take Outlaws to top 5 NA imo'
they'd be really high if they had a main support instead of Jung-won "dogshit excuse of a roster spot" Mun
cedar oasis
piggy and iris are b tier
earnest leaf
dallas/glads/shock/outlaws/reign is a pretty safe top 5
cedar oasis
reign top 5?
earnest leaf
yes
hot onyx
Defiant over Reign
cedar oasis
or toronto
frosty patrol
defiant, nyxl, justice, shock, dallas, glads, outlaws, reign all competing for top 5
hot onyx
not Reign
frosty patrol
unless you're big up titans or uprising (stupid)
cedar oasis
not reign
frosty patrol
hawk kai nero ojee uv is a good roster but not top NA or anything
earnest leaf
I don't see defiant/nyxl/justice getting top 5 unless they get a meta that ends up perfect for their team
hot onyx
hawk kai nero ojee uv is a good roster but not top NA or anything
downgraded 4/5 pieces
cedar oasis
gator mid on anything other then his one trick
frosty patrol
tbh shock could end up not top 5
earnest leaf
doubtful
frosty patrol
downgraded 4/5 pieces
2 side grades and ojee is an upgrade
in the starting lineup
nero downgrade
uv probably a sidegrade but could be downgrade or upgrade
hot onyx
everyone underrating Masaa again
hot onyx
I'll believe it when I see him face better competition than FiXa on ping
frosty patrol
I'll believe it when I see him face better competition than FiXa on ping
gauntlet?
north relic
guys i got so lucky on my lootbox!
hot onyx
Unter made Gator serviceable on ball and winston
frosty patrol
in the same way a scenario could occur with fusion 4th
frosty patrol
hawk playtime
hot onyx
even then
no Pelican Iris and Unter hurts for them
going back to Sephy is not a fate I would wish on any team
earnest leaf
Although they did lose some heavy hitters, I think the new support duo will slot in pretty well
and while nero is a downgrade from pelican, it's not a significant one
plush grail
@cedar oasis vc nerd
hot onyx
and while nero is a downgrade from pelican, it's not a significant one
top 3 fdps in exchange for a b tier one
frosty patrol
and while nero is a downgrade from pelican, it's not a significant one
that is most definitely significant
earnest leaf
If you think nero is B you're smoking
hot onyx
this coming from the guy that said Carpe was B
frosty patrol
nero is b tier when you consider other fdps in the overwatch league
hot onyx
unless that was someone else and i'm forgetting who is whom in ED
plush grail
nero is ass
north relic
top 3 fdps in exchange for a b tier one
yaki proper leave better unfortunately
plush grail
sans ow
earnest leaf
Nero was pretty consistently top in NA for all of last season, it really was only pelican who was a easily ahead of him
north relic
Nero was pretty consistently top in NA for all of last season, it really was onl...
what
frosty patrol
Nero was pretty consistently top in NA for all of last season, it really was onl...
what
north relic
sparkle is invisible
earnest leaf
While I agree there were other Fdps better than him I don't think the gap was that big
hot onyx
but thanks for the offer
plush grail
but thanks for the offer
eat my ass for dinner
frosty patrol
nero is simply worse than the following overwatch league flex dps players
earnest leaf
I would take nero over sparkle unless you are running genji/doom
next mesa
I would take nero over sparkle unless you are running genji/doom
Nah
Sparkle mechanical prowess diff
hot onyx
eat my ass for dinner
that isn't one of my 5 a day
north relic
I would take nero over sparkle unless you are running genji/doom
sparkle sym tracer echo are better
plush grail
that isn't one of my 5 a day
for me it is
earnest leaf
sym sure but nero never needed to fill the role
tracer sparkle was probably a bit ahead
but not echo
Nero was the second best echo in NA last season
I will die on that hill
frosty patrol
fleta leave profit BIG UP CHOISEHWAN zest proper kevster sparkle doha yaki pelican
so by this logic
B
north relic
fleta leave profit BIG UP CHOISEHWAN zest proper kevster sparkle doha yaki pelic...
what are you listing
frosty patrol
what are you listing
better fdps than nero
willow tartan
that is one way to manage a team
publicly call them out as not an optimal decision and that you are still looking for replacements
earnest leaf
So I see nero is getting underrated since his tracer isn't top tier
hot onyx
Nero was the second best echo in NA last season
Pelican Kevster Doha Danteh Yaki don't exist i guess
earnest leaf
Even though he didn't have to fill the role nor will he be the tracer player this year
I wouldn't take danteh over nero unless it's tracer/sombra
twin bloom
Pelican Kevster Doha Danteh Yaki don't exist i guess
Doha and yaki were terrible on echo
frosty patrol
So I see nero is getting underrated since his tracer isn't top tier
you're smoking crack if you think nero is better than anyone I just listed except choisehwan or zest
earnest leaf
nero gapped the fuck out of doha on echo too
Yaki was good but it was hard to tell with florida throwing all year
hot onyx
you're smoking crack if you think nero is better than anyone I just listed excep...
no no they are better
twin bloom
Nero is a better tracer than sp9rkle as well
tropic herald
Doha echo more like aim check top tier hitscan simulator
frosty patrol
Nero is a better tracer than sp9rkle as well
that is simply incorrect
twin bloom
Nero didn't need to play tracer because striker and had to learn her in a short time span
hot onyx
Doha underrated
twin bloom
And looked good on it
earnest leaf
Also you guys need to understand
I rate players based off their hero pool, how they did recently, and historically to some degree, and based off who they will need to play in their team
so when i'm comparing nero to other fdps idgaf about tracer
he isn't there for tracer
north relic
doha top 5
no world is doha top 5
twin bloom
He played it a decent amount in stage 3 and 4
Benched glister on tracer
Supposed owl stah
gusty rampart
Doha and yaki were terrible on echo
Yaki wasn't
twin bloom
Yaki wasn't
Blase gapped him on echo
gusty rampart
False
gusty rampart
Isn't Danteh considered good?
cunning patrol
Yeah he’s right
gusty rampart
I agree he's mid
cunning patrol
Danteh abused him
gusty rampart
Keep in mind Yaki had Slime on MS and OGE on Tank
twin bloom
Keep in mind Yaki had Slime on MS and OGE on Tank
Danteh did so with jake mercy
gusty rampart
Better than Slime LMAOOOOO
cunning patrol
His echo was only good when nobody knew how to play her lol
Same with rascal
Real echo goats are players like
Pelican
Leave
Proper
north relic
fleta
twin bloom
Jurassic5n
north relic
no
vale delta
“he has an mvp skin on her”
cunning patrol
Here we go with this again 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
vale delta
dont care
next mesa
Fleta good echo
north relic
he is legitmately a good echo
next mesa
Pelican leave fleta
cunning patrol
Truthfully the best echo in owl is da speed
next mesa
Top 3
twin bloom
Truthfully the best echo in owl is da speed
Agree
cunning patrol
Mid top 3 made by midvy
willow tartan
when the shy echo
vale delta
shy💀
cunning patrol
ok
north relic
speedily hasnt won a game in OWL
twin bloom
speedily hasnt won a game in OWL
He has
earnest leaf
speedily sorta like sparkle
Has two heroes he fucks hardcore on
echo/doom
iirc he's regarded as the best western echo
north relic
even better than blase?
earnest leaf
Even when compared to people like naga/kevster/s9mm/nero/
Blase in a tier of his own
Too op to compare blase to anyone
lost thicket
Blase in a tier of his own
based
Custa says Lip Zarya, Void Dva, LJG Lucio, Izayaki Zen, Fleta Brig and Fate Rein vs 2019 Shock
on Goats
who'd actually win lmao
cedar oasis
i just mentally dominated someone
frosty patrol
Custa says Lip Zarya, Void Dva, LJG Lucio, Izayaki Zen, Fleta Brig and Fate Rein...
dragons are better on zen, lucio, dva
shock better on rein, zar, brig
so tough choice
earnest leaf
Shock goats would win
lost thicket
shock better on rein, zar, brig
????????
vale delta
so tough choice
brig gets way more impact than lucio
frosty patrol
meant shock, obviously
cunning patrol
lip would own sinatrass
frosty patrol
shock probably win yeah
vale delta
shock just wins
frosty patrol
lip would own sinatrass
that is definitely possible
lip could own
it could end up only being a rein and brig diff for shock
earnest leaf
nah sinatraa was in a league of his own on zarya
vale delta
^
cunning patrol
No he wasn’t lmao
lost thicket
Lip Zarya
Void Dva
Fate Rein
LJG Lucio
Izayaki Zen
Fleta Brig
V
Sinatraa Zarya
ChoiHyoBin Dva
Super Reinhardt
Moth Lucio
Viol2t Zen
Rascal Brig
earnest leaf
It was sinatraa>>seominsoo>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everyone else
vale delta
Lip Zarya
Void Dva
Fate Rein
LJG Lucio
Izayaki Zen
Fleta Brig
V
Sinatraa Zarya
...
shock wins
simply by fates rein being shit
earnest leaf
Rein/zen/zarya shock have a clear advantage
vale delta
dva is probably around the same
earnest leaf
Lucio is even but I think moth's lucio style plays better in goats
frosty patrol
not zen??
vale delta
void a little better
frosty patrol
izayaki > viol2t
cunning patrol
What lmfao
vale delta
but not that much of a difference
cunning patrol
Current void would be so much better than 2019 Choi lol
earnest leaf
choi vs void on dva for goats is pretty close, maybe a tiny advantage to void
frosty patrol
current void hard diffs 2019 choi
current izayaki is probably better than 2019 viol2t
earnest leaf
Brig rascal at the time was pretty damn solid, iirc fleta didn't play brig in goats
vale delta
if were talking about 2019 skill shanghai would just win
earnest leaf
Nah
lost thicket
Sinatraa was too OP on Zarya, Void Dva v Choi Dva, hmmm peak idk, super rein clear fate, LJG might be better then Moth in goats, Think his high aggro style might feed but also might be super good, Viol2t was god on Zen def better then Izayaki in goats, and I have no idea with brig
vale delta
because in 3 years the threshold has become so much higher
earnest leaf
I think people were forgetting how good that shock team was at goats
vale delta
if you put all players on their prime shock 3-0s
north relic
the thing is that the game has evolved and all players have gotten better between 2019 and 2022 so shanghai actually just diffs every role
lost thicket
current izayaki is probably better than 2019 viol2t
Nah massive L
frosty patrol
the thing is that the game has evolved and all players have gotten better betwee...
except rein, probably zarya, and probably brig
vale delta
yeah if you put shock players on their 2019 skill levels they lose
if you put all players on their prime which would be way more fair shock owns
lost thicket
Goats Viol2t Zen was just so fucking good, like in the meta and like oh my god
cunning patrol
Nah massive L
It’s objectively true lmfao
lost thicket
No
frosty patrol
simply because fate cannot play rein and dps players are 3 years out of practice on zarya brig
frosty patrol
Goats Viol2t Zen was just so fucking good, like in the meta and like oh my god
izayaki is just better
earnest leaf
ngl I think people greatly overstate the difference in time between rosters, the players individually are still pretty good on those good teams
lost thicket
It’s objectively true lmfao
Jazzy you're opinions are so bad shut up
balmy wolf
izayaki just better tbh
north relic
yes
earnest leaf
The issue with older teams is they usually had shitty players in too many spots
cunning patrol
Jazzy you're opinions are so bad shut up
You’re literally wrong
lost thicket
You’re literally wrong
ignored
frosty patrol
Jazzy you're opinions are so bad shut up
your*
cunning patrol
Talk to me on main lmfao
frosty patrol
Jazzy is objectively correct here
frosty patrol
I am #teamjazzy
cunning patrol
About time
frosty patrol
dva play has gotten 4000 times better since goats especially
void and hanbin would just be so much better
earnest leaf
they would be better but not by a lot
frosty patrol
they would be better but not by a lot
void and hanbin are much better than other dvas now
lost thicket
doha better then yaki on everything except tracer
Banger
vale delta
they would be better but not by a lot
if its on 2019 skill they would be better by miles
frosty patrol
so imagine 3 years ago
vale delta
except rein and maybe zarya
earnest leaf
imo there isn't as big of a gap between players in time
for the most part to me there is just a mechanics upgrade due to time playing
earnest leaf
But overall gameplay and game sense wouldn't be that far off
vale delta
do you think players dont get better
earnest leaf
I do think players get better
vale delta
do you think 2016 super is same skill as 2022 super
frosty patrol
fate loses to 2019 super, lip loses to 2019 sinatraa, void diffs 2019 choi, fleta loses to 2019 rascal, ljg beats 2019 moth, izayaki beats 2019 viol2t
lost thicket
Twitter
frosty patrol
imo
vale delta
it is 3 years
lost thicket
kekw
vale delta
15 overwatch seasons
earnest leaf
But at their skill level they're already so high up significant improvement isn't really possible
lost thicket
I looked up 02 Blast history and the gave Viol2t to shock and found the tweet n shit
and found that one
earnest leaf
Players don't magically upgrade every year
they get better for sure but I think you're overestimating by how much
frosty patrol
on certain heroes the gap is large over time
vale delta
on all heroes
earnest leaf
on dps the mechanics difference is pretty big
vale delta
you take 2019 goats shock but pit then on their prime state
frosty patrol
dva has
earnest leaf
But on shit like lucio especially someone like moth in 2019, or MTs, the gap isn't as big
Sinatraa zarya would hold up today still
Also current shd roster isn't as well versed in hard goats like 2019 shock
frosty patrol
on some heroes the gap is huge but most of those aren't goats heroes
north relic
ok
frosty patrol
besides dva
north relic
mirror zarya space dva muze rein moth lucio skewed brig shu zen
willow tartan
why are we talking about goats in this sacred channel
earnest leaf
yea dva is probably the only hero that has gotten a lot better in terms of individual play since 2019, but I think choi even then would compare to OTs today
frosty patrol
ball dva sig sombra genji bap etc are all much better now than in s2
as in the players are
willow tartan
2019 shock wins
stage 3 
willow tartan
yes.
willow tartan
the zen cultist one looks cool
north relic
i prefer regular cultist
the skins they chose were popular
because of their color scheme wasnt it
and their design
north relic
they just used the same design with a worse color scheme
willow tartan
instead of making the skins white
worn falcon
Meh, i like them
willow tartan
they should've recolored the popular skins in the color of each of the OWL teams
i still dont know why this does not exist yet
north relic
probably too much work
willow tartan
please i will legitimately pay money
north relic
they cant even make a new spray
willow tartan
phil spencer i beg of you take my wallet
lost thicket
2021 SHD v 2020 Shock during 2021 SHD probably wins, but shock wins during 2020
worn falcon
fuck no, i dont want to see balderich with SHD colors
lost thicket
they should've recolored the popular skins in the color of each of the OWL teams
Oh my god
yes
willow tartan
2021 SHD v 2020 Shock during 2021 SHD probably wins, but shock wins during 2020
2020 shock vs 2021 shd in 2017 finals meta
lost thicket
2020 shock vs 2021 shd in 2017 finals meta
nah KR contenders season 0 meta
north relic
the zen cultist one looks cool
also tbh im never taking off jjonak
one of the best skins in the game
next mesa
His skin is easily the best mvp skin
Not that there's much compétition
Anyways
Rank the rookie tracers of this class
north relic
what are the rookie tracers
twin bloom
Custa says Lip Zarya, Void Dva, LJG Lucio, Izayaki Zen, Fleta Brig and Fate Rein...
Shock
willow tartan
i mean the rookie tracers basically mean every rookie dps
because every dps should know how to tracer
north relic
kilo tracer check?
earnest leaf
I'd assume kilo tracer is like ans tracer
not bad
but not good
just kinda exists
plush grail
north relic
aprita merit seicoe victoria becky innovation alphayi patiphan pineapple s9mm backbone hydron proper kilo venom zest mn3 guriyo stalker
sounds about right
willow tartan
my memory is fracturing
north relic
what
cedar oasis
memeicus is going crazy
willow tartan
but from those names the ones i would immediately go to are stalk3r alphayi venom and hydron
north relic
doesnt name proper
plush grail
memeicus ur dumb
north relic
i love how we are talking about top rookie tracers and he doesnt name proper
cedar oasis
proper sucks
willow tartan
thats because he doesnt strike me as a tracer player
cedar oasis
dont @ me
willow tartan
he plays everything
north relic
thats because he doesnt strike me as a tracer player
u wot m8
plush grail
@cedar oasis shower
willow tartan
its like when you are thinking of tracer players in OWL
earnest leaf
willow tartan
you're gonna think of players like striker carpe before you do players like leave
north relic
do you consider leave a tracer player?
willow tartan
stereotypical tracer players
earnest leaf
Why is coluge built like a fridge lmao
north relic
uvalo just here to troll now
willow tartan
i dunno which one coluge is but none of them look like any refrigerator i've ever seen
cedar oasis
better then yaki
north relic
doha top 5 flex support?
you said support
@cedar oasis dallas vs paris existed i think
willow tartan
i mean doha could very well be a better flex support than yaki
north relic
custa overrated
he said custa
fucking EU accent
"welcome to the farm"
-from NY
buildings
pretty tall
IS BROOKLYN IN NY???????????/
FUCKING DUMBASS
brooklyn isnt a city
borough
thats a burrow
plush grail
pov: burrow
north relic
im below 3 digits you know
in weight
tons
lmao
im at least 100 euros
rubles sell for big bux
tracer players are worth a lot
like yaki
(me)
i can play tracer properly
@cedar oasis queue with me and watch me carry on tracer
Noord-Holland, Zuid-Holland
eat shit
less than 10 seconds
this VC is stupid
"dutch isnt a race"
"IS WASHINGTON DC A COUNTY" "NO DUMBASS ITS A STATE"
uvalo is 19
real
north relic
yes
plush grail
@noble nexusjoin vc
north relic
@willow tartan fuck you
noble nexus
<@!176115780029513730>join vc
Why
noble nexus
You can’t spell conversation properly
north relic
SF is a state
noble nexus
How is it gonna be intelligent
north relic
IM JOKING