coldest has been spark's best fs for the past 2-3 seasons
#esports-discussion
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twin bloom
Sadly
frosty patrol
ameng is in the top half of the league on every tank hero but monkey
twin bloom
ameng is in the top half of the league on every tank hero but monkey
No.he isn't
Dude wasn't even a top 3 Ball in s3
hot onyx
So I guess it also wasn’t Coldest fault when he looked like a bottom 7 flex support when he got playtime
frosty patrol
ameng > hotba and guxue
twin bloom
Jihun and mikeyy objectivelly were better at wrecking wheel in s3
S4
Fate
Ga9a
Jihun
All bettor
twin bloom
ameng was 3rd on ball in s4
No jihun
frosty patrol
his rein is situationally excellent
twin bloom
Bettor
tropic herald
ameng god of tank
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So I guess it also wasn’t Coldest fault when he looked like a bottom 7 flex supp...
is not
frosty patrol
his zarya and dva carried guxue
tropic herald
he is a yotta chad!!!
hot onyx
All bettor
And you’re back to bad takes
twin bloom
And you’re back to bad takes
Yeatle and ballow
hot onyx
Quick revert to saying how Zest is better than Innovation
twin bloom
Agree with me
twin bloom
Quick revert to saying how Zest is better than Innovation
Agree
frosty patrol
ameng could be top 2 on ball, top 8 on horse, top 5 on rein, top 10 on dva and top 10 on zarya
frosty patrol
ignore his monkey
twin bloom
Ameng isn't better than yeatle or ballow on ball
frosty patrol
Ameng is comfortable on all tank heroes and the missing piece to any championship run
tropic herald
idk what u guys are on about but hadi clears
frosty patrol
he is willing to learn any language quickly
frosty patrol
valiant 3rd apac with ameng
twin bloom
idk what u guys are on about but hadi clears
Hadi is better at ball as well
hot onyx
innovation will have more success than zest will ever have
Better team 2020 peak + not shafted with FiXa
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Ameng isn't better than yeatle or ballow on ball
i mean me and mister sans over here has a thing going on
so we're fine
tropic herald
unironically hadi not that bad of a tank player but he got like the worst hand of cards for his rookie season
not saying hes goat of tank doe
frosty patrol
ameng is the god.
hot onyx
I mean, I’d have faith in the Hadi redemption arc if he didn’t have a bottom 5 support line
tropic herald
hmmm
hot onyx
Nothing against Admiral
frosty patrol
2022 la valiant
twin bloom
I mean, I’d have faith in the Hadi redemption arc if he didn’t have a bottom 5 s...
Their isn't a single eu supp line that could be better than that
hot onyx
Just that there’s other main supports more talented
hot onyx
Their isn't a single eu supp line that could be better than that
FunnyAstro Kaan
tropic herald
Their isn't a single eu supp line that could be better than that
u rate Admiral Provide over Kaan Dridro ?
frosty patrol
have ameng learn English, learn fs, and bench prov1de
tropic herald
oh u mean like of who they could sign they got the best supp line
hot onyx
Fastro is signed
I know, but you said there isn’t any Eu support line that’s better
twin bloom
And admiral gaps dridro
frosty patrol
And Provide is just as good as kaan
kaan does not rival patiphan for worst player in owl
twin bloom
On lucio
twin bloom
I know, but you said there **isn’t** any Eu support line that’s better
A support line london could have signed
hot onyx
Kaan agrees himself
Remember when FDGod said that Dallas weren’t really impressive and to watch out for Boston?
twin bloom
Sadly
tropic herald
i have a feeling at least one team is gonna run it down on rein this season
bc like
twin bloom
London will
north relic
reign
frosty patrol
i have a feeling at least one team is gonna run it down on rein this season
ameng could make it work
twin bloom
I guarantee it
north relic
no its reign
frosty patrol
anything is possible when you have god on your side
north relic
those rush one tricks
frosty patrol
They run speed echo
when?
twin bloom
With hawk dva
tropic herald
there will be some "meta" but one of the low tier teams will realize they cant play that so they just run it down on comfort picks
frosty patrol
like, the 3rd game of the playoffs?
tropic herald
which imo is better than just being shit at the meta
hot onyx
Kinda sad ChrisTFer couldn’t coach a good team this year with Yiquids Alex Hades and Exorath
frosty patrol
Kinda sad ChrisTFer couldn’t coach a good team this year with Yiquids Alex Hades...
and ameng learning English and flexing
twin bloom
Kinda sad ChrisTFer couldn’t coach a good team this year with Yiquids Alex Hades...
Bro exorathh isn't better than provide lmao
And hades isn't better
Than hadi
Alex maybe better than poko
hot onyx
Hades I’ll give you is high risk mid reward
twin bloom
Backbone and yiqids both even
hot onyx
Exorath did well and held his own in an equal region to Pr🤮v1de
I just rate Yiquids higher
twin bloom
Exorath did well and held his own in an equal region to Pr🤮v1de
"Worse region"
Provide beat at once
And AT infintely better than falcons
Esports
hot onyx
How would you know
hot onyx
They never played eachother and last time AT faced the top of EU it went to 7 maps
twin bloom
How would you know
Look at the teams that signed AT players
And look at the teams that signed eu players
Pretty big gap
hot onyx
Plus Redbirds being pushed to their limits by SMC
twin bloom
Imo
twin bloom
Plus Redbirds being pushed to their limits by **SMC**
That was before they abused redbull
Sadly
hot onyx
No caffeine no win ig
At least you’re not whack enough in the head to believe London will be better than Titans this year
hot onyx
7 maps
hot onyx
And I don’t think AT are shit
Just overrated heavily by people who think they’d be top 5 in OWL
When they wouldn’t even win KR Contenders
frosty patrol
Just overrated heavily by people who think they’d be top 5 in OWL
just because hydron said so on ggrecon that one time
twin bloom
At least you’re not whack enough in the head to believe London will be better th...
Titans have good roster for their standards
frosty patrol
they would have a shot at kr contenders
twin bloom
just because hydron said so on ggrecon that one time
Owl players said so as well
hot onyx
then get diffed by proper or heesang
My point exactly
willow tartan
AT wouldnt make pass semis in korea
willow tartan
i still rated t1/o2/talon higher
frosty patrol
t1 on a bad day in semis or something
hot onyx
If O2 and Talon faced eachother in semis
And T1 decided to play around Belosrea Unique and Krillin instead of their good players
I could see them making finals
But not winning
frosty patrol
they could even take a couple maps off talon maybe
but no winning
absolutely not
willow tartan
theyd take off maps of any of the teams of course
i dont think they would get hard hard rolled
no point lockouts
hot onyx
It depends what you rate higher with the T1 vs AT scenario
T1 better dps and off tank
AT better main tank and supports
But the positive gap with AT is larger than with T1
So AT finals wouldn’t be out of the picture
Until being demolished by a better team ofc
frosty patrol
t1 would only be decisively better on like
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so would heesang
frosty patrol
hs
willow tartan
i mean actualy
willow tartan
if t1 did the classic korean contenders thing and played winston/ball zarya they could lose
hot onyx
t1 is better at most roles
Who though?
Krillin stonks??
Rating my man higher than UV?
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UV is better
frosty patrol
belosrea < reiner
clestyn > false
mn3 > hydron
zest = speedily
unique < ojee
krillin < ultraviolet
ok nvm
at better
had to write it out
slightly better
hot onyx
Zest arguably better than Speedily based off flexibility
willow tartan
why think about metas
hot onyx
Do you trust Speedily tracer to diff Zest?
willow tartan
just say the meta is the 2021 s2 kr meta
hot onyx
Odyssey
frosty patrol
he was on at as sigma
hot onyx
Iirc
twin bloom
he fucked AT
Only in the mayhem tourney
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on 200 ping
twin bloom
he made hydron his little bitch no cap
When hydron was benched
Lmao
They started wub in the game
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who was playing
twin bloom
Venom dominated
frosty patrol
ok hear me out
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hydron played as well
frosty patrol
in this emergency scenario
twin bloom
No
frosty patrol
we get
twin bloom
He was literally
frosty patrol
ameng tracer
hot onyx
Ameng tracer?
frosty patrol
for at
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wait was it the one where
twin bloom
Not
hot onyx
Holy fuck I predicted it
twin bloom
Venom only beat at
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there was a sub
twin bloom
Ocne
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oh well
twin bloom
When wub started
frosty patrol
ameng > venom > hydron
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hydron no hydron
twin bloom
venom>hydron
On tracer
twin bloom
Not on HS
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venom wont be playing any hitscan
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they have kai
north relic
No, Venom moira fucks
they already have gator for that
earnest leaf
inb4 venom gets the tsuna treatment
hot onyx
they already have gator for that
This is in the scenario of a moira + symm meta
willow tartan
he will be like the shax of atlanta
hot onyx
inb4 venom gets the tsuna treatment
No playtime then benching Onigod on the last map of the season vs Justice?
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inb4 venom gets the tsuna treatment
he will be
except in this case
venom is actually good
hot onyx
Mayhem looked mildly promising
earnest leaf
yea but unless it's a hard tracer meta, having someone in just for her might hurt the team
Rather have kai in on tracer or nero tracer with the ability to flex mid map
hot onyx
Why’d they ruin it by picking up Checkmate Mirror and Anamo?
willow tartan
you wouldnt play them unless it is hard tracer
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yea but unless it's a hard tracer meta, having someone in just for her might hur...
when was overwatch league not a hard tracer meta
earnest leaf
since venom hitscan is jut gonna be worse than kai
earnest leaf
Not every team forces tracer 24/7
hot onyx
when was overwatch league not a hard tracer meta
2020 Summer Showdown 2021 June Joust
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since venom hitscan is jut gonna be worse than kai
u can make the same argument for venom, kai and nero tracer is just gonna be worse than venom's
plush grail
Sans could tracer diff peak striker
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makes no sense
willow tartan
no because they can play other heroes too
earnest leaf
u can make the same argument for venom, kai and nero tracer is just gonna be wor...
yea but they'll be more flexible than venom
worn falcon
Nero swapping to Sojourn
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2021 was widely played
frosty patrol
Why’d they ruin it by picking up Checkmate Mirror and Anamo?
excuse me but checkmate is a disciple of the lord
worn falcon
also remember Sojourn and the tweaks gonna be stupidly OP
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yea but they'll be more flexible than venom
when do you see players change their heroes often in a map
frosty patrol
he wrote one of the books of the holy gospel
worn falcon
they deffo gonna abuse the changes
hot onyx
2020 was meta except genji
Countdown Cup genji sombra
worn falcon
Time to Smurf to dedust Orisa
hot onyx
Playins sombra reaper
willow tartan
when do you see players change their heroes often in a map
when they are losing
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and if tracer is gonna be one of the heroes that they are switching
worn falcon
Sparple benching Fearless
hot onyx
Playoffs double sniper
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u want venom on tracer and no one else
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Playoffs double sniper
playoffs tracer zen
hot onyx
excuse me but checkmate is a disciple of the lord
On main tank, they need good fdps
earnest leaf
Do you want to always sacrifice that flexibility in trade for better tracer play
frosty patrol
On main tank, they need good fdps
he is a disciple of both ameng and apr1ta, he worships daily
willow tartan
no
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if tracer is played
willow tartan
what if the enemy team plays torb bro then the tracer gets shit on and shld swap
hot onyx
you put the best tracer player on tracer
Yeah, Nero
earnest leaf
I'm fine with having the tracer player in if tracer is guaranteed to be played 100% of the map
hot onyx
The goat 🐐
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so everytime tracer is meta everyone could've just swapped to torb
earnest leaf
My issues comes when they face a team that can just swap around and make the tracer way less of a threat
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bro why arent u signed to OWL
willow tartan
no because its not meta its a counter pick specifically for one player
if the enemy team's tracer is specific an issue you can focus them away
earnest leaf
And if that tracer player ever has to swap, it's a much bigger detriment than just having someone else play it
worn falcon
sparple can play tracer but flex
deft glacier
Is there any streams or overwatch lives coming soon ?
earnest leaf
Atl literally did it last year where they had kai on tracer instead of subbing edison in, because kai's hero pool was better flexibility wise for what they would have to play in the maps
willow tartan
its not about countering the enemy comp its about shutting down their tracer and if that tracer player gets shut down and cant swap then you have one disabled player and you're one up
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if tracer is played on the map more than like 30% of the time
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Atl literally did it last year where they had kai on tracer instead of subbing e...
edison's tracer is nowhere near venom's
frosty patrol
**Is there any streams or overwatch lives coming soon ?**
may 5th
worn falcon
Sparple and Guriyo play tracer
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that's your issue
willow tartan
yes
worn falcon
Edison gonna be the Mei
willow tartan
check owl website for schedule in your timezone
hot onyx
Atl literally did it last year where they had kai on tracer instead of subbing e...
Or maybe Edison bad player to the point where Kai and Pelican were better choices to play his one trick
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besides i wont be surprised if venom turns out to be a gigachad gamer that can play a lot more than tracer
exactly
earnest leaf
Unless venom is like yaki tier, I would prefer kai or nero starting unless tracer is played more than 50% of a map
frosty patrol
besides i wont be surprised if venom turns out to be a gigachad gamer that can p...
liquipedia lists cass and hanzo as signature heroes
hot onyx
besides i wont be surprised if venom turns out to be a gigachad gamer that can p...
Venom symmetra when?
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when tracer is played you dont play rascal you play striker
like why is that hard 2 understand fr
earnest leaf
Levy
Striker is literally a top 3 tracer
Venom is unproven in owl
Small difference
hot onyx
Venom is actually good though
earnest leaf
and striker is super flexible as well
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ok? and venom is way better than edison
willow tartan
that's also not a fair comparison
hot onyx
And Striker is now washed
twin bloom
Nero isn't bad tracer he's at least as good as sp9rkle on it
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not to mention venom probably as good as striker on tracer
earnest leaf
now you're trolling again
hot onyx
Nero isn't bad tracer he's at least as good as sp9rkle on it
Nutjob
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maybe a little worse
north relic
no way venom = striker
hot onyx
not to mention venom probably as good as striker on tracer
With the right coaching and players around him possibly
Mans a freak of nature
twin bloom
Nero wasn't meant to be shocks tracer and still played good
hot onyx
Even for NA standards
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and it doesn't matter how good venom is against the other s tier tracers, he is clearly far and away, the way better tracer than kai and nero
twin bloom
And benched glister on it
earnest leaf
I get venom ass fucked NA shitters in t2 for a few months, but I want to see how he does in owl before we rate him this highly
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so if tracer is played you play venom
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I get venom ass fucked NA shitters in t2 for a few months, but I want to see how...
na shitters do you mean american tornado
on 200 ping
twin bloom
Also Venom can play more than tracer
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yes
earnest leaf
No one on AT has a tracer that touches top owl tracers
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he is good hitscan as well
twin bloom
Kinda like striker
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if anything
hot onyx
Can’t wait for FiXa to be a top 5 main support off ping
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u play kai if there is no tracer on the map
otherwise if theres tracer you play venom
its so simple
hot onyx
I would think Kai would stay in all the time
willow tartan
you can put him in if you know tracer is going to be played for a majority of the time
but if not then why the fuck would you lol
hot onyx
Unless there’s echo/pharah tracer meta
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any remotely tracer meta you put venom in
earnest leaf
remember how atl struggled swapping kai and edison, then they perma started kai and immediatly did 100x better
hot onyx
any remotely tracer meta you put venom in
And have Kai-Venom
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who cares which dawg depends on the meta
earnest leaf
unless hard proj is meta
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tracer echo or tracer ashe
willow tartan
so you're saying if tracer is played 10% of the time you should have him play in that 10% of the time and the other 90% of the time be in a worse position than you would be as other players have better ability on the 90% of other heroes played
hot onyx
What about tracer sombra?
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its an unknown factor
hot onyx
Who tf is Reigns sombra player?
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first of all for all we know venom's hitscan is not far off kai's
a good start would be 50%
tracer
willow tartan
yeah and for all we know he will die before the league starts
from the knowledge we know right now
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and it depends on what else is playing
north relic
Who tf is Reigns sombra player?
hawk
willow tartan
it does not seem like he will play unless tracer majority will be palyed
frosty patrol
He can play
you just listed his liquipedia signature heroes lmao
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it does not seem like he will play unless tracer majority will be palyed
tracer will be meta anyway
willow tartan
we DONT KNOW
frosty patrol
yeah because schwi was a good genji
willow tartan
we dont fuckin know shit about OW2
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i dont see a problem
twin bloom
you just listed his liquipedia signature heroes lmao
I watched him play cree and hanzo in contenders
And I watch his stream
north relic
we dont fuckin know shit about OW2
you dont*
earnest leaf
Basically kai/nero should be starting unless tracer is played for majority of a map
twin bloom
Dudes cracked on both
north relic
memeicus forgor i am aaron kellers third cousin
north relic
And what do they do in a sombra-bastion meta?
bring back edison
isnt he a bastion one trick
willow tartan
profit best bastion
hot onyx
Ahh yes pay the rich Fuel back for their below average hitscan for the bastion meta
north relic
or just make ojee flex onto it tbh
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Basically kai/nero should be starting unless tracer is played for majority of a ...
yeah no shit
????
willow tartan
??????????????????????????????
hot onyx
or just make ojee flex onto it tbh
But then who plays ball?
willow tartan
what the fuck was the point of you talking
north relic
But then who plays ball?
they sign ameng
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lol he said even if tracer was played he would rather have kai/nero for the "flexibility"
braindead take
earnest leaf
yea if tracer is only played for a little bit of a match
willow tartan
how are you agreeing that he should only play tracer if it is played for the majority of the map but then also say he should perma start if he is even remotely meta
what the fuck is this conversation
earnest leaf
levy rating t2 player insanely high as usual
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if tracer was played in the first place she wont be able to get easily countered anyways
hot onyx
Yeah because T2 players can’t be good
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sorry dude i actually follow contenders unlike you who's like "proper needs to be proven in owl first"
hot onyx
Alarm and Pelican are kind of Whomegalul
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proper is a clear top 3 dps if you have eyes
willow tartan
only their mechanics and adaptability
earnest leaf
I think proper will do well
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only their mechanics and adaptability
which proper is elite at in both
earnest leaf
I just wanna see it fully in action
willow tartan
yeah but you cant guarantee he will become a top player
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i can bet my entire lifesavings on it
hot onyx
proper is a clear top 3 dps if you have eyes
Pretty sure too 3 belonged to Mirror Backbone and Becky but sure
willow tartan
just in the same case as you can't have guaranteed super would have retired at the start of this year
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you have eyes you know he will be top
willow tartan
or that you wont die of heart disease in 3 days, 4 hours and sixteen minutes
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assuming proper doesn't die, he will be top
idk whats this argument
honestly super retiring
not that surprising
sadge
willow tartan
you cant say with 100% guarantee that something will be true or not
hot onyx
or that you wont die of heart disease in 3 days, 4 hours and sixteen minutes
Better than living another day supporting the Fusion
willow tartan
because nothing is guaranteed
willow tartan
yes.
hot onyx
Is it weird that I rate Shock higher now with Coluge?
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we all have eyes
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dude
willow tartan
maybe in ow2 he shifts over to playing sojourn and fleta picks up the sombra
earnest leaf
Is it weird that I rate Shock higher now with Coluge?
If you're under the assumption OTs will be meta it's not weird
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just look at his tracking
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lip has aimbot in his arm
willow tartan
that is literally what i fucking said
earnest leaf
but losing super will always be a downgrade since he contributed a lot more than in game play
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pivot the hero however you want
willow tartan
we know their mechanics and adaptability and even that isnt guaranteed
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lip still #1
hot onyx
If you're under the assumption OTs will be meta it's not weird
And ball and winston
north relic
best player mechanically?
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we know their mechanics and adaptability and even that isnt guaranteed
then there's no point in debating or ranking any teams
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london>shanghai
willow tartan
and until teams get their full rosters
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u never know dude
willow tartan
before making any rankings
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maybe somehow
north relic
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the game changes to minesweeper
hot onyx
london>shanghai
Nah, only better than Seoul
north relic
i have infiltrated diamond
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and then london can be better than shanghai for once
willow tartan
idk what is so hard to understand
just wait until we actually know what everyone's full team is and until we've tried the beta
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its like why r u here then
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we make rankings based on what we know now
like sure
u can just say
"brand new game no one knows" for everything u hear
but then like why are u here
hot onyx
Overwatch League shifts to professional Gang Beasts and the Guangzhou Charge becomes your 2022 Champions for all we know
willow tartan
both based on everything we know now and based on everything we will know in the future you cannot guarantee any single player to be the best or one of the best
you can say that they are probable to do so
not guarantee
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not **guarantee**
i can guarantee proper will be top 3
north relic
Who the fuck cares, rank it based off OW1 and the 5v5 workshop
according to our 5v5 workshop experience
rein did well
reign stocks up
willow tartan
i can guarantee proper will be top 3
Okay. bet your life on it.
hot onyx
Winston was better
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sure
willow tartan
Kill yourself if that does not come true.
hot onyx
NYXL stocks up
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why not bet on something that has no consequences
north relic
killing himself isnt a consequence
north relic
suicidal much?
frosty patrol
see a therapist levy
willow tartan
yea he fkn hate u
hot onyx
Was a very emotional time in my life
frosty patrol
Please put a tw
tw: suicide
levy is suicidal
suicide
willow tartan
put your life savings on it
frosty patrol
give memeicus, sans and I an equal share if it's not true
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would u be willing to mmake that bet?
frosty patrol
do i get to double it if its true?
no but I'll slide you 10 bucks
willow tartan
no because unlike you, I cant guarantee someone will or wont be top 3
hot onyx
Proper top 3 fdps hitscan or overall?
willow tartan
that is literally the whole point of what i am saying
willow tartan
Proper top 3 fdps hitscan or overall?
top 3 player in the league
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dps player
willow tartan
ok, top 3 dps
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no because unlike you, I cant guarantee someone will or wont be top 3
i can
if u want me to bet
willow tartan
if you think he will be guaranteed top 3 then you will have no qualms with signing over your life away if he doesnt make top 3
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u have to put something on the table
frosty patrol
dps player
leave lip apr1ta
willow tartan
you are literally missing the point of what i am saying
which is there are no guarantees in life
hot onyx
dps player
Victoria Checkmate Seicoe
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leave lip apr1ta
proper will be better than apr1ta and leave
willow tartan
if you think he will be guaranteed top 3 then you will have no qualms with signi...
because according to you, he won't.
frosty patrol
checkmate I agree with
frosty patrol
proper will be better than apr1ta and leave
wrong
frosty patrol
apr1ta is literally going to be ans and striker combined
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proper is leave and lip combined
hot onyx
Apr1ta orisa one trick
north relic
no way proper is better than leave lip flora
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proper eats flora for breakfast
frosty patrol
leave lip apr1ta flora yaki*
hot onyx
no way proper is better than leave lip flora
No way Flora is better than Yaki
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which is there are no guarantees in life
whats the point of u arguing that nothing is guaranteed in life
actual party pooper
willow tartan
because you are saying that he will be top with 100% certainty which unless you are omniscient, is by definition, factually untrue
willow tartan
yes because it applies to everything that's the fucking point you mongrel
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u are actually so braindead
like u come to esports discussions and then complain when people make predictions
hot onyx
Zest > Fits
willow tartan
making a prediction and saying something will happen 100% guaranteed is completely different
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not really
earnest leaf
And ball and winston
shock if they solo tank coluge will probably always lean towards OTs, but iirc coluge can play ball at least
next mesa
saying that proper will for sure be a top 3 dps player is pretty much the same as "i believe proper will be a top 3 dps player"
willow tartan
making a prediction is what you think will happen, not claiming that what you think will happen is the only truth that exists across the multiverse
hot onyx
shock if they solo tank coluge will probably always lean towards OTs, but iirc c...
Still more than Supers big hero pool of rein hog genji
next mesa
idk a little weird
willow tartan
have some fuckin nuance dude
next mesa
1k damage per 10 minutes
willow tartan
jeez
north relic
No way Flora is better than Yaki
ive been talking about yaki a lot more so flora is top 3
next mesa
ur making a big deal on someone saying x player will for sure be top 3 player lol
when this is #esports-discussion
willow tartan
yes because you shouldn't say that
it's like if you claim that your god is absolute truth
incorrect and disrespectful
hot onyx
ive been talking about yaki a lot more so flora is top 3
Because Yaki is the NYXL dps worth talking about
next mesa
it's like if you claim that your god is absolute truth
how is talking about religion anyway remotely related to thinking proper will be a top 3 dps player
jesus
willow tartan
???
next mesa
ur like expanding the whole thing
willow tartan
its not about religion its about lording over your beliefs as truth
hot onyx
how is talking about religion anyway remotely related to thinking proper will be...
Because Proper is Jesus according to your multiple propaganda influenced messages
willow tartan
a belief is not a truth until it happens
next mesa
Because Proper is Jesus according to your multiple propaganda influenced message...
thank you
proper is coming
u cant stop him
u wish u could
hot onyx
proper is coming
Gross
next mesa
Gross
doesnt matter which way
u cant stop him
if he wants to come in ur mom
hes doing it
north relic
Because Yaki is the NYXL dps worth talking about
flora rlly good also
hot onyx
flora rlly good also
sHockWave syndrome
Just because Skewed proved to be top tier after being lumbered with a bad team doesn’t mean the same will happen to flop Flora
north relic
FLORA king
hot onyx
Man got diffed by Carpe the B tier hitscan
hot onyx
name every hitsacn better than carpe
Birdring MN3 Lip Kai Leave (maybe) Shy Proper Fits (on a good day)
hot onyx
Tempted to place Aspire up there
north relic
???
hot onyx
But that’s just Titans fan blindness
hot onyx
Carpe could flop and Aspire could rise
It’s a perfectly believable scenario
MN3 still diffs both of them though
frosty patrol
~~Birdring~~ MN3 Lip Kai Leave (maybe) Shy Proper Fits (on a good day)
apr1ta
north relic
kilo ( on a 1 day peak and then fall off day)
worn falcon
please translate
asdsASdwqedesdce
willow tartan
https://tiermaker.com/create/owl-season-5-dps-1625004
who the fuck is this
lost thicket
shockwave me thinks
tropic herald
Nah
willow tartan
nah i mean look at the victoria one
they coulda at least like cropped it so the majority of the image isn't the background of his announcement post
lost thicket
outside of the first on each row not in order
also I gave up half way through too bored lmao
frosty patrol
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPNvGrHX0AUlEBS?format=jpg&name=medium
jake finale etc b
not recognizing pati
fits s but not profit
decay s
can name more bad takes
north relic
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPNvGrHX0AUlEBS?format=jpg&name=medium
IDK HALF THESE PORTRAITS
willow tartan
its the symbiote from fortnite
frosty patrol
why isn’t proper in s
north relic
which is proper
lost thicket
> not recognizing pati
No I recognize him
frosty patrol
why is mer1t a
frosty patrol
why is checkmate a
vagrant jacinth
please translate
Nobody ever does
frosty patrol
???? with his placement
make a new tier
called F
put patiphan and only patiphan in it
lost thicket
why is checkmate a
troll rein A
north relic
is this jinmu
frosty patrol
yes
lost thicket
> fits s but not profit
I like FITs more what can I say
frosty patrol
fits decay are not s
lost thicket
> jake finale etc b
finale maybe C
lost thicket
Profit high A and fits low S
lost thicket
apr1ta s
no rookies are in S, they may have the potential to be S tier or top 2 A but since they don't have league experience I will believe it when I see it ya feel me
frosty patrol
no rookies are in S, they may have the potential to be S tier or top 2 A but sin...
not for proper and apr1ta I don’t feel you
like everyone knew haksal and alarm would be insane
willow tartan
ah yes the "rookie" haksal
north relic
lost thicket
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FPNvGrHX0AUlEBS?format=jpg&name=medium
Top 2 S is LIP and leave, top two A is Kai and Profit, Top 2 B is Carpe/Diya and well C is Architect and Victoria
lost thicket
not for proper and apr1ta I don’t feel you
I feel both will be cracked the fuck out
yes
frosty patrol
Top 2 S is LIP and leave, top two A is Kai and Profit, Top 2 B is Carpe/Diya and...
architect isn’t c tier btw
he’s nutty on his 4 bad heroes
put him on one of those 4
lost thicket
but I wanna see them actually PREFORM on the league properly
north relic
rate my list
lost thicket
Top 2 S is LIP and leave, top two A is Kai and Profit, Top 2 B is Carpe/Diya and...
I think Finale might be C tier aswell ehh
frosty patrol
call it shouldn’t be in the league
willow tartan
rate my list
put develop higher
frosty patrol
put pati there
north relic
put develop higher
Where is he
willow tartan
bottom
earnest leaf
people know jake isn't a player this year right?
frosty patrol
he is
north relic
he is an s tier player
frosty patrol
de facto main support
willow tartan
he is dude,
willow tartan
dung slinger specialist
lost thicket
people know jake isn't a player this year right?
JAKE is probably gonna play
frosty patrol
best sojourn owl
north relic
best junkrat owl
Is he actually
north relic
Best junk
frosty patrol
Is he actually
no
frosty patrol
architect plays it as one of his 4 bad heroes he’s ridiculous at
sullen berry
Dps Class of 2022
You got a good number of them on the board, shame we haven't got official grabs for the new players yet
north relic
He doesn’t know jake
sullen berry
Jake is too much of a wildcard when they got Mer1t
willow tartan
cause fleta the GOAT
cunning patrol
this casual doesnt even know patiphans face 🤦🤦
sullen berry
Don't have to flame him this early in the season
willow tartan
jake (main support player for the houston outlaws)
next mesa
Where is proper on S tier
cunning patrol
no chance u have assassin D
north relic
I put him in b
willow tartan
i think its fair to say he is inconsistent player with like low A peak
frosty patrol
assassin D is just stupid
and not grounded in reality
I put him in B since
high highs dogshit lows
earnest leaf
Assassin bad
earnest leaf
yes
willow tartan
actualy
earnest leaf
yea that's why I put him A
earnest leaf
I would put him S if I knew widow/ashe/cree was guaranteed all he would play
next mesa
Probably C
willow tartan
when ranking DPS do you rank them by overall dps ability or their skillset in how they will be most likely used?
next mesa
Flameknight is a danteh fanboy
willow tartan
if the first is the case then the rankings are heavily skewed towards hyperflex players
earnest leaf
nah I just don't wildly underestimate western players
north relic
where do you guys put venom
i had him B because he one tricks
even if its tracer he one tricks a hero and isnt even top 5 at it
earnest leaf
being top 5 at tracer is a pretty big ask
It's not a bad thing to not be top5 on tracer
hell even top 15 is good imo
Since it's pretty top heavy
frosty patrol
nah I just don't wildly underestimate western players
you put danteh and nero in the same tier as apr1ta proper and profits
that's just lunacy
frosty patrol
is this ordered within tiers?
north relic
being top 5 at tracer is a pretty big ask
yea but like if you are one tricking a hero and arent one the the elite at it
frosty patrol
I'm assuming not
earnest leaf
no specific order within tiers
earnest leaf
I put them in the tiers based off the quality of play I say from them and their flexibility within their role on their team
hence why ans is A and not S
willow tartan
that is a good stick
earnest leaf
Danteh A because most of what he will have to play on outlaws will probably be sombra/tracer
which are his best heroes
so A tier
B tier if he would have to cover the proj role as a whole
willow tartan
so its projected performance rather than theoretical performance
earnest leaf
yea
cunning patrol
flameknight u need allah!
earnest leaf
My takes are good and fair
next mesa
His sombra tracer not A tier either
next mesa
flameknight u need allah!
Agreed
willow tartan
jesus fucking christ i forgot abt april fools and got jump scared by a googly eyed pharah
lost thicket
Why are gays allways so god damn good at Overwatch? I swear to god, every gay I know in this game is GM at least, and everytime I'm trying to convince myself they're all mercy onetricks they start a widow only challenge and get gm in a week. Do i have to start sucking dick
willow tartan
this is absolutely terrifying
incredibly unnerving
the eyes of the abyss stare at me
earnest leaf
Levy I would rather stick a red hot spike through my chest then go through this again
cunning patrol
hope it severs ur internet connection permanently
earnest leaf
Levy is younger than me therefore his opinions are objectively worse
frosty patrol
I hope I become an airbender so I can knock the wind out of you permanently
frosty patrol
levity is the better levy
willow tartan
cause you are out of touch with the common man
frosty patrol
you're also just dumb
earnest leaf
Still have no idea how the fuck I speak like a boomer
frosty patrol
your evidence for Crusty being a top coach was
"tied for the best regular season record in season 4 if we ignore all those stage playoffs"
and even then
nohill is clearly better
next mesa
Nohill just smarter dude
earnest leaf
if that is what you took out of my argument then you have the reading comprehension of Hellen Keller
next mesa
Chengdu would've had a free ring
If they had nohill
But the CCP backed rui
Because his dad
Is a high ranking government official
willow tartan
Does Hellen Keller have access to the Overwatch 2 Alpha?
next mesa
They spread propaganda on nohill
willow tartan
Aaron Keller's 5th cousin thrice removed.
next mesa
Kicked him out of team cc
frosty patrol
if that is what you took out of my argument then you have the reading comprehens...
you also just refused to acknowledge that the shock did not have the best regular season record
adamant fake newser
earnest leaf
No one's record was better
willow tartan
you mean its because nohill called the chengdu coaching staff shitters
next mesa
you mean its because nohill called the chengdu coaching staff shitters
They are shitters
With nohill
earnest leaf
Speaking of coaches
next mesa
Jinmu would be better than sparkle by now
earnest leaf
Would a team with Crusty/Moon/Rush coaching work out well
next mesa
And they'd actually stand a chance against Shanghai
willow tartan
no
earnest leaf
or would their styles clash too heavily
next mesa
More suited for running a team
earnest leaf
Wait
earnest leaf
isn't moon told as like a really good emotional coach in a sense
earnest leaf
rush is really good with individuals, and crusty is really good for an entire team
So all 3 would be broken together
willow tartan
moon is like a leadership figure out of the server as a well as in the server
but i think crusty steps in more between maps whilst moon has set gameplan before game start
rush i dont know much abt
earnest leaf
iirc rush has been said to have been really good working with players individually and working out their issues
tropic herald
given the way moon is described id imagine the right way to describe him is a servant leader
willow tartan
i have no ideas what that would mean
tropic herald
he puts his players before himself
willow tartan
as opposed to a coach who doestn?
devout path
Why did this have to sell out in 10 mins
balmy wolf
that looks sick
next mesa
greetings folks
devout path
Shut up
next mesa
im here to spread my daily diya propaganda
@devout path stay mad u didnt get val hoodie
clicked too slow
devout path
Go choke on a pineapple
next mesa
imagine not ordering in the first possible second
willow tartan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GoEnolTVk0
hahaha
funny clip
their on kill tracer
earnest leaf
and who tf would they trade to
I doubt they could trade players for them, that hasn't happened in forever
for straight cash maybe but then who tf do they get to replace those 3
next mesa
and like
are those 3 b esties are smt
which 3 players would have equivalent value to those 3
or maybe like 2 players for those 3
next mesa
but like
y
mag assassin decay to houston
in exchange for pelican
fair?
idk
what if they're just having some sus sexy times on the plane
u know
producing noise
devout path
https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1509733992676966401
They’re being opened up for trade offers
Best guess
tawdry hamlet
Did you guys see mykaylee is so bad he's not even officially signed and they're thinking of dropping him
Rolled
hot onyx
https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1509733992676966401
MAG to Titans??
Ass assin to Valorant?
earnest leaf
only teams I can think of immediatly that could use someone like Mag would be shock and outlaws
but that's only if they want to sign an extra tank
hot onyx
only teams I can think of immediatly that could use someone like Mag would be sh...
And Titans and Fusion
And Valiant
earnest leaf
I would think mag would want to go to a majority korean roster
so fusion/shock/outlaws yea
hot onyx
Would he even go to a roster that isn’t full korean?
earnest leaf
I mean shock has two NA players
one of which mag would never play with
outlaws only has danteh as non korean iirc
hot onyx
one of which mag would never play with
Yeah I don’t see S9mm coming off the bench, that’s true
And Outlaws still have Jake
And they’ll sign a main support if they know what’s good for them
Moth perhaps becomes that Outlaws ms 👀
earnest leaf
bring jecse back to outlaws
