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Everybody
Muze worst startah on glads
Sadly
I saw that
And I disagree
Personally
Damn
He got muted
with hotba on toronto
⛔
pog support line doe
even though twilight is a little overrated
Pogba
imagine if seoul got twilight
and not creative
then I would actually rate them highly
twilight better at every hero
False
cope
Not on Zen? 🤔
And tell me it's not a team diff
I have watched ana vods of both and tbh jjonak better mechanics
Many vods
Honestly
I thought twilight would look more
Cracked
But nah he was just chilling
Twilight is cracked, if anything best Ana in league
Also never forget flanking Twilight on Oasis

Flanking twilight on junkertown

Jjonak only looks cracked because his low sensitivity take out his aim and he's dog shit just like ryujehong
He literally beat alarm in a zen mechanics duel
He's the best aim in the league (accuracy not speed) his play style is just way better for games like csgo than ow
Imo
His sens isn't even that low
What are you talking about
Do you even watch his vods
He hits 180 sleeps daily
Wtf
Ur tripping
Flex supports historically have lower sensitivities in general
Then there was aztac last year
1100 7

Yeah it's fine
But izayaki has enough game sense to not crutch on his mechanics 
Did lots of adderall
But no in reality most flex supports imo given a few exceptions could be interchanged entirely mechanically and do just as good I think it's the other aspect of the game that matters since mechanically flex supports are expected to be the best given their heroes
Like izayaki and shu and violet mechanically prob the same tbh
But the game sense diff
Is what matters
That's what is so wild at the top level mechanically violet ans izayaki jjonak alarm all have just as good aim, it's just their gameplay differences based on ow that matter
Shu seems boring to me but he does have some wild reactions
I think shu is a lot more pop off mechanics than he is good player
Like decay
Bad player with big mechanics and pop offs

Philly
Went from top 3/4 to getting a star in ever role besides off tank, and then floppin

That's why I have no faith in London because s4 Philly was bad, and every single person on London is worse than their s4 Philly counterpart
So it isn't inspiring confidence
I was wondering if there was some stuff going on Philly, because on paper they were solid
Jjonak gamesense not even bad
Watch his bap
Honestly I dig it
Way more than creative
I think it was just a bad mesh they took big names from big teams but those big names weren't the best players. Like of the s3 shock rascal was probably far less important than other members, and eqo was B tier at peak and Shockwave was myunbong on dps
God that shit ugly
And s3 nyxl was a mess so Mano flop isn't even surprising
Given nyxl history
And hotba is hotba not that poko would've saved the season lmao
I wouldn't blame Mano, just something didn't clicked on them
Mechanically they were good
Much like funi in contenders they decimated teams that didn't have a basic understanding of the comp then they got minor pushback and fell apart
Like funi in contenders cumster3d everyone then got dumpstered the second they got minor competition
Much like Philly in apac
Rolls one stage faces pushback and loses a round to valiant kek
Yeh that one with Valiant was a yikes
Not anamo
Or the hitscans
In a season where hitscan was important
players with high senses get a rated a bit too high on their mechanics
cuz flashy fast movement
like why people think pine is in the upper tier of hitscans on mechanics
when in reality most modern day hitscans could probably match or beat him even when looking "slower"
I'd take edison over the guy who was benched half of s1
I would also like to take edison over the guy who hasn't played in 3 years.
also I learned today
apparently shock were scrim gods in s2
as in never losing scrims unironically outside of a couple
that's the most season 2 take I've ever seen
eqo was not b tier at peak
he was Eq "gigachad fusion" o
in 2018
I’m back baby (OWLEL)
Not true, I have more faith in Hadi with good coaching than S4 Mano
hadi hits those on lan

||British Finale moment||
Hadi is memed but he has mechanical skill and with a good coach his gamesense could tone itself out
Unlike Mano with NineK Mobydik that couldn’t perform at a top 1O level
mano will come back from military service and be a top tier main tank after getting experience in South Korea's K2 Main Battle Tank
Does it go into a metroid morph ball?
no but at least he can play bastion
Oh goodie, Xepher 2
This is my fifth 2 guess and my average is still 3
He forgot who Valentine was a couple of weeks ago
Tbf it is hard to remember starting dps in the bottom 5
U suck
OWLEL 28
owlel pick a relevant player challenge (impossible)
Yeah im asking for future reference
there is no form yet but i will make one when all teams are finalised
owl website will have preds closer to the season
Okay can u send it to me when you do
o u mean match preds
That’s what I’m assuming he means
I want to fill out a bracket. So yes, match predictions
But I need to wait for teams to be finalized
that wont come out until we actually get a tournament to have a bracket on lol
Average od user
Imagine being the average od user
and not an ed user
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LOL
Justice had enough of the down bad SMMs
Lmao
It was only the loading screen though
LOL
looks like some content creators got ow2 also
They should let fissure in ow2
too bad he didnt launch his game and go to the bathroom or smthn
Tom Holland/Mark Ruffalo moment
xqc dumb
xqc re-signed poggers
Could be a marketing thing
Spider-Man and Hulk actors
Batman is Marvel but ok
venom isn’t dc
Mark went onto a talk show to be interviewed about the latest Avengers movie Infinity War and leaked that "this one is really crazy, like ||everybody dies||"
You spoiled the movie for me
I was going to watch it tomorrow
i used a spoiler tag dumbass
I thought it was owlel
OWL wasn't a thing around that time let alone owlel
yeah it did i am mistaken
debuted January 10th 2018 and infinity war released April 2018
L
people watching owl instead of infinity war >>>>
Did Batman die in infinity war
yes
and Tom started a livestream to show off what he was given access to see involving Avengers Endgame like the official boxart/cover, script etc
Ik venom ate Superman in the latest dc movie
and after sharing it he saw the label on the back that said "private and confidential, do NOT share"
wonder woman went rogue and killed iron man
Why would you put it on the back
Instead of the front
just the way the packaging was ig
Twice
Does anyone need a teammate
Los Angeles Valiant and New York Excelsior both need players, ask them
they both have met the 6 man req
No they haven’t
NYXL: Flora Yaki Kellan Myunb0ng GNJ
There was a six man req in like January or smth
They have six they just didn’t announce it
Valiant: Diya Innovation Becky Lengsa Coldest
WooHyal definitely isn’t the off tank
I typed his name in OWLEL and it wasn’t a valid guess
diem would be nice but ms and ot would be better
They already have a top 1 hitscan in flora
It's sasin
they are announce diem and moth
moth doesn’t make sense in an all Korean team unless he learned korean on shock
Is that an ongoing joke I’m out of the loop on or did they announce it on one of the obscure Chinese sites?
Halo leaked it
halo and also chinese sites
Well why the fuck would anyone be high on Valiant with Sasin?
source: as part of my ccp job I browse Chinese owl sites for political dissidence
Cause silver3
Hasn’t he been out of competitive OW for 3 years?
I know season 2
cracked genji
Where was he season 3?
spark still
Benched by Ria and QoQ
Dear
sasin dps role star
out of context
Can’t wait for the LA Valiant to prove everyone wrong and place last in apac again
Eqo overrated 
Hehe
50 cent army rise up
no Sado sponsor this time
sad
I tested positive for COVID ahead of my departure on the 19th. I will try to join the team in the States as soon as possible.
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rip JMac
paris in shambles
covid does suck
however at least it builds hype for the internationals
top dogs of the east vs gamer bros of the west
We have seen many a players get stuck overseas or stuck swimming so most likely
take pelican on a boat to hawaii
Paris stocks lower than ever
jmac will reach the us and coach from a bubble
Virtual coaching is possible but a lot worse
Alright. All I ask of you is to go outside and socialise with normal functioning human beings so you can finally become one yourself. Stop being an absolute anomaly and weirdo in this OVERWATCH discord server. I get you find it cute or whatever but its honestly cringe as fuck, you are the definition of bitchless, please get some real friends and fill in your empty social life.
no
ratio
@twilit oriole Hi
@cunning patrol Hi
Rip paris 
holy shit loading screen
dude if i was going to fake it I would say it was against someone slightly more impressive like Uvalo or lsd
let me devour this steak in 20 minutes, then ill beat ur ass on pokemonshowdown
if beating me in a luck based version of rock paper scissors makes you feel better about losing in chess then sure
pokemon has luck factor
but i wouldnt call it luck based
its a percentages game
based memicus
Pokemon is a game of making high percentage plays
try find a high percentage of right moves in chess.
can't wait for my dunsparce to get fucked by your landorus
It’s 65% swaps in high elo
I’m agreeing
exactly
Sans wrong
swapping out whenever your type matchup is incorrect sucks
im gonna read sans like a fucking book
- crits
it’s not just type matchup
up until the final boss in every pokemon game you can win based on positive type matchups
you can win based off of anything in the pokemon games lol
exactly it just feels easy and bland
idk how that has anything to do with pvp though
but I'm not an rpg fan
u feel easy and bland
i prefer games that require you to stay awake to play
chess 
comp pokemon requires a lot of intelligence, decision making, and knowledge
especially in team building
and knowing sets and what your checks are to them
running enough EVs to live certain shit
etc
not really
i fell asleep playing through Omega Ruby
made it to the 5th-6th gym before feeling left unsatisfied and quitting to play 3D Land
im bout to get fucked by urumir
any scores to report that aren’t in the doc?
I 3-0d mike
I trapped my horsey against levy,
I would have 3-0'd them if it weren't for that
levy addi dunamis danxv lsd me jazzy and who the fuck did I forget
kungarnamykl
free win simulator!
my exam is liek 100 dollars
Tomorrow
not gonna bomb it
what can i say im a corporate save
Masochists
ap
Lichess?
I'm sorry Marbel.
Hey, in Week1 "Ian" and me need to play. Who's that?
ME
No I'm gonna take a shower, cry and think about all of the mistakes I have made in m
ok.
ur gonna get murdered
WHY
No you are just very bad
urumir is realistically number 2 in the league
who is nr1?
EU’s only competition
?
his competition is uvalo and sans @north relic
Da north american region still producing greats
Trust
ah of course the greats like..
NA overwatch has made more valorant players than overwatch ones 
i bet this channel has talked more chess than the rest of the server combined
@hot onyx there are stats for your guesses
no shot you called
rokit nero hawk aspire ojee uv greats
the only valid greats on that list are space and super
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Who the hell is Rokit?
Also failing to name the decent AT player Reiner is kind of cringe
not knowing who rokit is
Their greats and hawk>space
Da goat of tracrr
I said etc
Every playah on AT da goat
He is
great is like, career achievement
Wouldn’t make top 3 in KR Contenders
Space is a great because he's been around for so long and successful multiple times while always being a relatively good ot
Nobody knows what o2 blast is
Everyone knows da AT
lol
Hard dps and off tank diff for T1 but a harder main tank and support gap for AT
02 Kariv
[Welcome New coach!]
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감사합니다. https://t.co/W6irZwyFmZ
whomegalul
Wait is O2 blast da team propah carried
[Welcome New coach!]
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he didn't even carry o2 blast
Ex 02 Blast player
that team had finn
O2 had good players, not just Proper
finn is the 3rd best rookie flex support prospect of the last 3 years
You’re the type of guy that only watches American Tornado and when you watch your second pro ow game you think “man I’m getting real American Tornado vibes from the 2021 Dragons
Proper is better than finn on fs
Agree
AT and shd very simmilar
Put effort into your trolling next time, take it from a guy who convinced a Glads fan that I genuinely believed Kevster to be C tier for months
Why would I need to put effort in stating my actual opinnion
because being misconstrued is never good
“Yeah guys I don’t watch any other contenders teams over than the ones that dominate weak regions, can’t wait for Ground Zero Gaming to pop off in OWL”
you should always take your due diligence in clearly stating your opinion
I only watch relevant teams and playahs.
I don't care about o2 blast I just watch proper vods
Maybe check out Apr1ta and MN3
maybe you should be less ignorant then
@next mesa
Also you don’t speak for everyone chump
Name a single soul who knowx apr1ta
player
Not a single soul
me
Knows
Me
That doesn't count
bro
Discord users not real people
Nobody knows who you are yet you’re still here except Apr1ta has talent
I'm not real either
I disagree
“Honey, the AT apologist is saying that KR and CN contenders players that aren’t Proper are irrelevant, should we listen to him?”
“No,he’s brain dead son”
Chorong, and mn3 are relevant
Not as relevant as propah
Tho
fun fact
all Venezuelan players are supports
Cabimas, dhaK and PAPO are all supports and mixed players
also Crumbz is the only Venezuelan Caster ever, also mixed
so two Canadian-Venezuelans, one Chilean-Venezuelan and one Spanish Venezuelan
Ok
all of this came from me wanting to learn who was on Shock S1 and where they were in standings lmao
And Clestyn and Heesang and ChiYo and Although
And FiNN and Kellan and Zest
and vigilante and finn and unique and superrich and irony and pineapple and alphayi and lige and stalk3r and apr1ta, etc
there's a few whomegaluls yeah
You can’t just call good players irrelevant because you don’t like them or don’t know them
like finale ow
When they’re not good like Innovation or Victoria that’s fine
innovation is good situationally
Who is finn
Who I only know proper
Tbf Irony being second best rookie fs is a hot take but it’s one that could come true
But not knowing FiNN
it relies on one of 2 generational talent rookie flex supports shitting the bed
or irony being a god
It goes
UVEE
VIGILANTEE
PROVIDE
MAJED
IRONY
NO ARGUMENT
This is right
I will be right
Imo
prov1de over irony
Pr🤮v1de over Irony and Majed
majed is possible @hot onyx
And Pr🤮v1de is the worst looking flex support player coming into the league
Who is skairipa
When I take Coldest Crimzo or Majed over them, they’re horrible
uvs superior
Majed is a generational talent
Held back by the eu region
Flex support on the British Hurricane coming into the Vancouver Titans
Your opinion is irrelevant if you think that Pr🤮v1de was a better pickup than Skairipa or Exorath
Pr❤️ vide
I disagree
Wdym he’s so good!
Landon is still better than Pr🤮v1de
Exorath just not very good but that’s just my take
What is your opinion on viol2t
You misspelled Pr🤮v1de
Disagree
I think he’s a douchebag for telling some rando in his ranked game to kill themselves but that’s not as bad as blatant racist abuse
Yes that is all viol2t did
Be mean to people in ranked
Lol
Didn’t know that but now my low opinon on Viol2t as a person is lower
Fair
Personally
I just rate people on skill
Impossible to know how they are as people
What did?
Saying “unless there are screenshots of them calling their coach” and what he called the coach in a spoiler tag
Ok.
i come in and the first thing i see is some knucklehead trash talking provide wtf
provide has decent potential not the best but worthy of league
Agree
You misspelled “Pr🤮v1de”
Gotta add the “1”
SOMEONE PLEASE HELP
Also there are other flex supports that deserve their chance to be in the league more than Pr🤮v1de
And Boombox redemption arc
Than pr❤️ vide
Flex supports are the best at racism
Not even top 2 in NA Contenders
If we’re including it as overall toxicity might as well add Bdosin and Jehong
But will his team allow him that
And Pr🤮v1de does not have said carry potential
Fs is probably second most important role in 5v5
Ms fs dps tank come at me 
Sad that Hadi has to crumble under yet another bottom 3 flex support
Provide is slightly worse than kaan
ms most important role?
Lmao
Honestly if London had Exorath Yiquids and FDGod I’d rate them above bottom 3
Well yes its not 6v6 where the ms is mostly just shot calling the ms will probably healing more heavenly and more valuable since everyone is probably much more mobile with a much wider range of aoe and damage abilities
ez stomp
i will def be awake during those matches
That’s all of them 💀
But this is blizzard so idk exactly how ms will work but if its 5v5 then which hero having the heaviest healing is ms
its six matches a stage isnt it
it is 24 game now
average shanghai fan
it only mean im see you get stomped more
hahahaa
you mean Defiant
they beat shanghai in midseason tourney tbh
Pogba gonna carry Defiant.
If he remains consistent yes he will
hotba consistent player
defiants support line is very hot
Hotba went from being bottom 5 to top 8
I remember when hotba. Popped off the first 3-5 games last year and proceeded to disapear
idk why they decide to go to Toronto of all teams
at least is not mixed so can't fuck it up
maybe they want to be the carry of their team
and go to a whomegalul team
bad teams devalue your player stonks
Imagine going to Paris or something
you look for some mid team
Because the top teams were full
or defiant just had the bag
chorong to shock
ya
i hope that never happens
Toronto was the option
Ratlanta u little shit lmao
Because under that is just trash
Toronto won the bid war I guess
I mean I think Toronto right now is fine team anyway
Heesu, twilight, muze
Toronto got 3 years contract
is toronto support line top 3?
top 1
top 3 is Shanghai Chengdu and Los Angeles
i forgor LA
Atlanta #1
Toronto a team on the mid scale of buying power won the bid war? 
defiant can be better than chengdu's support line
not good teams mean have money
glads support line is so good
they can't run double flex
coldest and legsa top 1 support
depends on meta
if its traditional than defiant
chengdus has more flexibility
wait, valiant still not have a tank?
I just think that yveltal Nisha farway mmonk is more well rounded and versatile than twilight chorong

i think its sasin
NYXL also only 5 player
yea but twilight chorong just can peak so high
I say Toronto better if yveltal got manga debuff
well one piece is on a hiatus
so yveltal should be good
actually its just the anime
nvm
Gg Chengdu loses to seoul
we have kellan
we dont need mano
also he is in military
so unless he stops mid war to play overwatch
seems NYXL gonna stick with those 5
I completely forgot myunbong and gangnamjin were on the same support line and that could he nasty
Be*
how good is shanghai in double FS
i feel like thats their only weakness if bebe sucks
nyxl support line is top 5 in double FS
name 5 teams better than them in double FS
Ok
Shock gladiators fuel atlanta titans london paris wahington mayhem toronto bostone houston
Shanghai
Spark
Charge
Valiant
Yes
Let me finish
Fusion
Who else is a team
In overleague watch
Their better than NYXL
In double FS
Imo
Gangnamjin + myungbong would fucking pound in double fs
Nothing like that
It is everything like that
Not at all
are you comparing gangnamjin and myunbong to roolf and ripa
Literally anyone is better than roolf
They have shit takes, it's been proven time and again
You could literally pick up some shitter from this discord and they could outperform roolf
i dont like glads or justice double fs higher
glads it depends really
I prefer their bap zen
for example[
but if there's anything weird as hell
like ana bap
or something
give me nyxl
if the double flex meta happens to be ana zen
most double fs comps I prefer glads
double flex bap zen meta could be ok for shanghai
just have ljg get boosted by mechanics on bap
it has been fine for them in the past
yep
what about justice then lol
krillin is mid
vigilante is pretty good
not much else to say
depends on how pretty good vigilante is
gnj and myunbong average better than vigi krillin
houston double FS looks decent also
idk about higher than nyxl though
houston bap zen
sounds good
he also had tobi the year before
he has to be good first
Jake MT ready
I’m going to make fun of you
why
3.4K
pretty sure he knows Korean from LAG and SFS
its impossible to tell with a top team
(yes very hot take dallas is a top team)
22 wins my guess
imma say 21
I don't think they'll get that many tbh
glads shock and maybe nyxl are close I think
but defiant outlaws and reign can upset
Vancouver gonna slap Dallas
CHA RUE KING
dallas is #1 NA imo
Agree
I have them at #2 only behind shock
Glads would be #1
If the coaches trusted
Kevsters opinnion
On dps partners
But sadly they did not
Respectfully disagree
On almost every level, individual and coaching, Glads diff Reign
Regardless of your opinion on OJEE and UV they don’t compare to Fastro Shu, even without throwing Skewed into the mix
DISAGREE
Da ojay uv synergy make up for the minimal skill gap
minimal 💀
bruh 💀
From the mindset of an NA Nutcase, OJEE UV could be like 8th best if they had good coaching
But no Unter
I think they are top 3 potentially top 1
is that in order?
You admitted to believing half of contenders Kr and CN irrelevant
No
Why does your opinion matter again?
well it might be the correct top 3 if those were the only teams in the league
MAN WHY CANT OWL JUST START SO REIGN LOVERS CAN EAT SHIT
So and 90% of NA is irrelevant
I am non biased
You forgot CH0R0NG Twilight existed
They are 4th best
Fixa has never diffed ojay ever. Match results don't tell the whole story
Because if they did
Roolf would be better than
Myunbong
Roolf 3-0d myunbongs team 3 times
where do you rank fuel's support line 🤔
In 2 seasons
Okay than neither is fixa better than ojee
If they had good FS
???
They would be top 5
they have fielder???
Who is that
That’s one player in comparison to 5 others
Changsik performed better than StandDumb
Real
Stand 1 is awful
And frdwnr is better than punk
If frd had a better team
People would agree
Has a good Zenyatta
Like hawk
And where is Daco now?
If you think Reign did good 2020 I want whatever you're smoking
It’s like replacing Pr🤮v1de with Exorath
They were mid
Not da worst
Not da best
Mid to Below Mid
Slightly better performance and better human
Aztac didn’t get a chance to prove himself
Frd gapped a great like meko
FRD did and he proved to be low/bottom
Meko was washed in season 3???
Houston was like a bottom 3 team
What is your argument
Honestly
Teru
I am so excited for the day you post your power rankings
He wasn't the best dps player on the team
6k dry blade on Glads LUL
He was consistently a good FDPS
See the difference
