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lost thicket
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Jakerat

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super being best rein was obvi

north relic
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Dva sig orisa picks are wrong imo

willow tartan
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im gonna be 80 and owl s667 is going on and ill be talking about how good diem is at widowmaker and that he's gonna get signed soon like a schizophrenic

north relic
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Aren’t you already

lost thicket
willow tartan
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no because diem is ACTUALLY getting signed this year

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mid season signing

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trust

plush grail
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dva is fury

willow tartan
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The game will come out

plush grail
earnest leaf
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put fury as the best dva

willow tartan
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diem plays in the open beta

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PPL will see how cracked he is on stream

earnest leaf
willow tartan
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bam, mid-season signing

lost thicket
willow tartan
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diem in the league

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I believe

plush grail
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if diem is not yet signed

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he's fucked

willow tartan
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no

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teams dont want to sign players yet because they dont know if they will be good or not in ow2

earnest leaf
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gesture best orisa?

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huh

willow tartan
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like look at all the teams without main supports

lost thicket
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willow tartan
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they are waiting for the game to come out

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so that they can get proper look

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at them

plush grail
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im waiting for you to get some bitches

willow tartan
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dont need bitches. i have overwatch

lost thicket
lost thicket
plush grail
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fuck fearless

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miro is based

earnest leaf
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he put best torb as carpe

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cringe

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nero better

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I don't disagree with many of his picks

lost thicket
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Zen, Rein, Widow, Tracer, Sombra, Junkrat, and Roadhog were pretty clear choices

earnest leaf
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a few are dumb but they all seem decently reasonable

lost thicket
north relic
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widow isnt that clear

earnest leaf
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orisa I would take like 4 people over gesture

north relic
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also i might be able to see a debate for jjonak over viol2t

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but no

earnest leaf
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not really

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jjonak gets the nostalgia buff so that's the only reason people consider him

north relic
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what do you guys think about the best pharah?

earnest leaf
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dding

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ez

noble nexus
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Dding 100%

earnest leaf
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no memes though I would probably pick jinmu

north relic
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same

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i think jinmu is the best pick

noble nexus
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Hydration pharah 😩😩😩

north relic
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jinmu is the best pick

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but there are better pharah players

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that just dont play her

noble nexus
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Probably profit tho

willow tartan
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Please just give me OWL.

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I'm dying here

earnest leaf
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a lot of korean players are coming to NA atm

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So ranked will at least be more entertaining

willow tartan
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I am not NW

north relic
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wtf is this

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willow tartan
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Na

north relic
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imagine running mirror torb kevster cass when you can run birdring cass kevster torb

earnest leaf
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mirror torb was good

willow tartan
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they flexed on to that didn't they?

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Is the map 5 mirror

north relic
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viol2t or shu on bap?

willow tartan
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Your greatest of all time should have the players play at least 3 out of the 5 years imo

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but of course there can be exceotions

north relic
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like the heroes that havent been out for that long

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also some heroes just simply arent meta for 3 years

willow tartan
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yea

earnest leaf
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viol2t vs shu on bapt depends on who you ask

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this year shu was better

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but last year viol2t was easily better

willow tartan
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so what you're saying is it's rascal?

earnest leaf
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and you can attribute viol2t not doing as well to outside issues

north relic
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both had 2 incredible years on bap

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viol2t 2021 maybe you can argue

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not the best

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what was viol2t's dmg per 10 in 2020

willow tartan
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I would like to argue that 2020 violet was better than 2020 shu more than 2021 shu was better than 2021 violet

north relic
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tbh i didnt see shu much in 2020

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alr so the heroes i disagree with are dva sig orisa echo pharah

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actually rlly good only 5 heroes

next mesa
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Zen

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The thing for viol2t is in 2021 there was alarm

lost thicket
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min

north relic
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with a few exceptions

lost thicket
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no

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no buts and or ifs

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when it comes down to a AOT

north relic
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you arent going to see a moira player with 2 years of top tier play

lost thicket
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2 years of top tier play imo

north relic
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or bastion

lost thicket
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ok but thats heroes I meant more roles n shit

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but yeah on heroes that's fair

north relic
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we are talking about heroes

lost thicket
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NewYorkExcelsior makes good bastion comp SanFranciscoShock steals it and has the best bastion in league now kekw

north relic
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sbb bastion best

lost thicket
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who are top 10 reins

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super, jjangu, gator and mag up there

north relic
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of all time?

lost thicket
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eh

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sure why not

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I guess

north relic
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not in order super, fearless, gator, mano, fate, sado, fissure, (bumper?????????????), mag

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i have 9

lost thicket
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fate ain't a rein player imo

north relic
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fate played rein

lost thicket
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yes obvi but like not a top 10, I think his balls, orisa are all easily in the conversation of top 5 even but his rein or monkey not really

north relic
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you cant think of someone else though

next mesa
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Not fate

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Definitely bumper

north relic
sullen berry
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getting to spam reppin 82 I'm in seoul city when they play

next mesa
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Banger seoul

sullen berry
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why they changed it in season 3 i have no idea

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but could be that they couldn't advertise shoes very well when all you have is a webcam

next mesa
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Profit doesn't even wear headphones

north relic
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he wears earbuds right?

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what weirdo

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chad yaki wears two headphones at once

lost thicket
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Shock 2021 was close to SHD 2021 level just needed a bit better tbh

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SHD and SFS in 2021 the shock was always very close to taking a map or a full match

north relic
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That sounds like cope

lost thicket
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it is

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a little

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but also just kinda for example on every one of the maps in the playoff

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shock was always close just never enough

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basically they Philly'd it

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I feel like they just couldn't get the kills mainly

earnest leaf
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I think if during the whole year shock never had their internal issues, it would have been much closer

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I still would give shd the edge, but it wouldn't be a 3-0

lost thicket
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yeah same

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though maybe that's a bit of bias from my end

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Kings row was so

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so

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close

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prime example of what I mentioned imo

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if shock maybe had striker ans again and less internal issues they could have def been a contender, SHD would probably still win but it'd be closer to like

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Dallas

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for example

next mesa
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Dragons would've stomped them

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It's not even a personnel issue

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Dragons ball sombra dive was way better

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And honestly

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They were in control the whole time

lost thicket
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yeah not saying SFS would be likely to win, SHD would still win most likely

next mesa
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Choi was the only reason why it's even competitive

lost thicket
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just more like 3/2 or 3/1 then 3/0 n shit

lost thicket
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sadge he retired

next mesa
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Choi was amazing

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Imo it'd still be a 3-0

lost thicket
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nah I don't think it'd be a 3-0

next mesa
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The only team that stood a chance against dragons the entire season was peak dallas

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Nobody could beat dragons that's just copium hopium tbh

lost thicket
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striker was always clutch, if Shock wasn't having it's issues and Striker stayed with Shock I think they could pull a match

lost thicket
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Dallas was the only team who could possibly win

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I forgot which teams did Dragons loose to?

twin bloom
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Only team that took a map of shanghai in a ball dive mirror

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While Fuel lost to ATL on it

lost thicket
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I love reign

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but god I wished Dallas won

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that one

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there was NO way ATL would win against Dragons, Dallas MAYBE

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and somehow

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they fucking choked

next mesa
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There was only 2 teams that could win finals

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90% dragons

twin bloom
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Dallas could only beat shanghai. If they ran winston rush shit

next mesa
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And 10% fuel

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Yes that's what I'm saying

twin bloom
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They would have gotten fucked in a dive mirror

lost thicket
lost thicket
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I'd say more 80/20

next mesa
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My point is no matter which team was going against the dragons

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If it wasn't dallas

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I was 100% confident dragons would slap

tropic herald
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Yo did karayan get signed to a team

lost thicket
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almost zero chance if it ain't dallas

next mesa
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With Dallas you never know

tropic herald
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He’s playing in NA

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Wait

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No

lost thicket
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unless someone just goes super Saiyan

next mesa
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Karayan?

tropic herald
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Just is piggy

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Wait

lost thicket
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Moth is gonna to NYXL

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COPIUM

twin bloom
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Dallas would have 100% lost because they can only play one comp that was good against shanghai

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You need to be able to play 2

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Which no team could other than shanghai

tropic herald
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I think this might be cope but glads could maybe do good against Shanghai if they didn’t underperform

twin bloom
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Glads could have matched them in ball dive but they didn't know how to deal with Atl's rush as well as shanghai

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So gg

next mesa
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They would've still lost on ball tbh

twin bloom
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They would have

next mesa
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Dallas would've gotten slapped

twin bloom
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But it may have been close

tropic herald
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But it would’ve been close

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Yeah

next mesa
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In their current form

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I mean back then

twin bloom
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Yeah dallas were only really good at rush comps on playoffs

next mesa
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Just that throughout the season pound for pound they were the only team that could beat shanghai even if meta was different

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Yeah

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Tbh

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Their ball looked decent against chengdu

twin bloom
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Their dive was terrible enough to lose to ATL

next mesa
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Idk what happened

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Big choke

twin bloom
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Chengdu had interal issues

tropic herald
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I feel like Dallas got found out through the season

next mesa
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That's true

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Doha got diffed the fuck out (that made no sense)

twin bloom
next mesa
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Idk about 3 stages

twin bloom
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Maybe not stage 1

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But stage 2 and 3

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For sure

next mesa
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U mean the Winston dive

twin bloom
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Nah the winston rush

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And sym rush

earnest leaf
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in the ball sombra meta shd wasn't losing to any team no matter what

next mesa
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Rein was more stage 1 yeye

earnest leaf
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In other metas it wouldn't be as concrete as a win though

next mesa
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It was another meta

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Until dragons developed their own

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Actually so humongous brain

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It's kinda like dragons in s2

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Tbh

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Except chengdu did it first

earnest leaf
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dragons did what chengdu thought they could do

twin bloom
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Dragons has good player

earnest leaf
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But shd actually had the individual talent at each role to pull it off and team coordination

twin bloom
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Other than flex dps

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Unlike chengdu

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Who only have leave

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Sadly

earnest leaf
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But I do think it's fair to say if there were actual meaningful balance patches that forced a different meta, shd wouldn't have a free GF

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I would still probably favor them though

next mesa
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i mean they deserve it though

balmy wolf
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chengdu got great upgrades in 2021 and 2022

next mesa
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they invented meta

earnest leaf
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I mean that's what happens when you have the best players at certain heroes and just force them

next mesa
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eh idk

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ga9a was a better ball

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fearless was the best winston but

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didnt work

earnest leaf
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fearless didn't have a dps duo who were top 3 in their role tbf

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Jecse was good but ljg is a nut

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fielder and hanbin were the only people imo who could match people on shd

twin bloom
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Fuel outperformed the sum of their parts very mid rostah besides tankline

tropic herald
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Don’t think too hard

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Bc I didn’t either

tawdry hamlet
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I thunk glads look very good but also could very easily have a s4 Philly moment

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Since they lack a key player in one area

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Much like Philly did

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And thus Philly flopped

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They also have objectively worse tanks than other top teams

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Like Philly did

twin bloom
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Philly lacked alot more than one key playrr

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Lol

tawdry hamlet
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Mid tanks and a dps rotation that didn't cover certain heroes OMEGALUL

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Like glads rn

twin bloom
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Had their good MS gone for 3 stages. Had their starter ot gone all year

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Mano became washed

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Rascal became washed

tawdry hamlet
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Mano was pepega and rascal looked super midddd

twin bloom
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Double HS player gone up until playoffs

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Eqo became washed

tawdry hamlet
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The only issue with all of this is they did the best in the first stage with the objectively far worse roster D_

twin bloom
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Or eqo was always washed?

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!!!

tawdry hamlet
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Rush moment

earnest leaf
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rascal mei always delivers

twin bloom
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They only did good at rush cause apac didn't know how to play it

tawdry hamlet
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It didn't deliver in Phillys Havana game lmaooo

twin bloom
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They were very mid rush team

tawdry hamlet
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Let's put rascal in that'll totally work !

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Early Shanghai also had Hella issues too

twin bloom
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That havanna map

tawdry hamlet
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Almost lost to charge

twin bloom
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Was a fever dream

tawdry hamlet
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Diem is a good player but Shanghai looked far worse off every time he played in s4

twin bloom
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Was strait up mystery heroes

tawdry hamlet
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Even on the hard hitscans

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It was lmaoo

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Like aztac Zarya map lmao

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TTuba brig was a fever dream

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Like end of season 4 teams did not give a fuck lmao

twin bloom
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Aztac zarya and sig were better than michelle zarya and sig

tawdry hamlet
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They played everyone

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Probably better

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He uses off tank sensitivity on flex support man is a nut

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How you play Ana on 1100 7

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Maniac

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Higher than pine

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Noooo he switched to a reasonable sensitivity now I can't watch his twitchy pov anymore

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He uses 1600 2.7 now D_

willow tartan
tawdry hamlet
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Yeah, lip also transcended a Lil too so I see why he felt pressure since he has to live up to that level of play

willow tartan
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Fine. He will redeem himself in OW2

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Wasn't his year anyways, no hard hitscan meta.

next mesa
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obv 2021 dragons slap

tropic herald
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I don’t think this bracket was balanced

earnest leaf
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grand finals is 2020 shock vs 2021 dragons

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then it depends on meta who wins there

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any ball meta 2021 shd wins

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but outside of that I don't think it's super clear who would win

worn falcon
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Runaway Vanc ml7Bless

willow tartan
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wait why is 2020 charge not in there but 2021 reign is

earnest leaf
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would actually be interesting shock vs shd in the genji meta

willow tartan
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whoru finally getting play time

earnest leaf
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I'd be inclined to say shock would win

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since striker tracer nearly won vs paris

willow tartan
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i am presuming this is still based on relative since if its absolute then the most recent teams are the best

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and in which case

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shock have to face 2018 NYXL in their bracket

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and in terms of relative dominance

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that's a lot of dominance.

tropic herald
earnest leaf
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then that would mean 2019 shock would roll everyone

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golden stage diff

willow tartan
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👍

tropic herald
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On mobile

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  • didn’t ask
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  • Shanghai win
willow tartan
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honestly though bracket is scuffed

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should have a loser's

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no double elim is unfair

tropic herald
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I just think having 2021 Shanghai on the same side as 2021 Fuel is a little unfair but there’s like 5 good teams and 4 corners

willow tartan
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wish we had that time machine to really see this play out

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overwatch league portals

earnest leaf
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depends on the meta

willow tartan
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OW2 beta

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thats the meta

earnest leaf
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2019 shock win with sinatraa zarya solo tank

tropic herald
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I just don’t see Shanghai 2021 losing

earnest leaf
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depends on meta really

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ball meta = free win

tropic herald
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Unless lip isn’t on a hard carry hero I don’t see it

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Lip is a mad man

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And every hero is a carry hero for him

sullen berry
# next mesa

whoever wins gets to take on Guangzhou obviously wewantthetrophy

earnest leaf
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how many hours does lip have not on sombra

sullen berry
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from last season or overall

earnest leaf
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overall

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I feel like almost half of it is sombra

willow tartan
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it is

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just checked

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20~ hours sombra 25~ hours everything else

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his next most played is ashe then cree

tropic herald
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Makes sense

next mesa
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And the winner of that plays lunatic hai 2017

tropic herald
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So it will just be another stomp

next mesa
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And whoru genji

willow tartan
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then the winner of that plays astralis 2018?

next mesa
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And the winner of that plays t1 in 2015

tropic herald
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Whoru #1 genji in the world

earnest leaf
next mesa
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Faker

next mesa
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Would be close

tropic herald
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Both of them sucked in that meta

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Fearless Orisa 👁

willow tartan
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fuck that gimme eileen vs paris

earnest leaf
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Shock was a fight away vs paris wym

tropic herald
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I don’t make the rules srry

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Shock bad

earnest leaf
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striker tracer >

tropic herald
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Wasn’t striker a little issue this season or am I making that up

willow tartan
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2020

earnest leaf
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I think it's a rumor?

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no clue if it was a fully true thing

willow tartan
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maybe they just didnt get along with the new guys is all

earnest leaf
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But I know striker has had a strong personality in the past

tropic herald
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I don’t won’t to pull conclusions but Boston will certainly be a team this season

willow tartan
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yeah, they have marve1

earnest leaf
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they'll be mid as usual

willow tartan
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the gamer team

earnest leaf
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with striker desperately trying to drag them

willow tartan
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more hard carry performances though

next mesa
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They have striker

willow tartan
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yum

next mesa
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Trust

tropic herald
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Lets see

next mesa
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They will be at least mid

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With striker

tropic herald
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Marve1 Punk Victoria Striker Valentine Faith Crimzo MCD

next mesa
tropic herald
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Certainly one of the teams of all time

earnest leaf
willow tartan
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boston needs valentine to power up really

tropic herald
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Out of that roster I see like

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Faith n Striker

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Hmm

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Interesting

willow tartan
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mcd

earnest leaf
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support line will probably be fine

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striker will be fine

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everyone else meh

willow tartan
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im saying man valentine needs to do good

tropic herald
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Very curious to see striker on not a team surrounded by the best

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It will be an experience

willow tartan
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just look at what happened to rascal witheredwojak

tropic herald
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Ok

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So

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Yea

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But I watched rascal on Shock

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Man

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I think he definitely got overhyped on echo

earnest leaf
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a bit yea

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his mei fucked hard though

willow tartan
tropic herald
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His mechanics on echo looked like I was playing

willow tartan
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he was one of the three echo players at that time

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rest of them were forgetable for me

tropic herald
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Fleta 😼🤞

earnest leaf
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once again here to say

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viol2t/void robbed of mvp in s3

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mickey mouse mvp by fleta since he played dps

tropic herald
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Specifically void

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Void is just

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🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐🐐

willow tartan
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If fleta over void is a robbery then leave over lip is a bank heist

tropic herald
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Leave was reasonable

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I think

willow tartan
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chinese difference

earnest leaf
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if it wasn't for leave

willow tartan
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  • recency bias
earnest leaf
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chengdu doesn't go to a single tourney

tropic herald
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Where is Chengdu without leave last season

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They are good sure

willow tartan
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that doesnt fucking matter

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MVP means best player in the league

gusty rampart
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LIP was better

willow tartan
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not who carried their team the hardest

earnest leaf
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mvp is most valuable

tropic herald
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What does mvp stand for man

willow tartan
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most valuable to the LEAGUE

earnest leaf
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whoever gave the most value to their team

willow tartan
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not a singular team

earnest leaf
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Which was what leave did

willow tartan
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he is the MVP of the league

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not the mvp of the chengdu hunters

gusty rampart
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Chengdu didn't win shit which is like a major thing

earnest leaf
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leaves value to chengdu was more than the value lip gave to shd

willow tartan
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yeah that doesnt fuckin matter

gusty rampart
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Nahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

willow tartan
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MVP should always be the BEST PLAYER in the league

earnest leaf
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leave was the best player in the league

gusty rampart
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Nah

willow tartan
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simply untrue

gusty rampart
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Leave was imo was one of the worst candidates

willow tartan
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idk how people can think the mvp title is just for who carried the hardest

gusty rampart
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Hanbin, LIP, and even Shu were good candidates

willow tartan
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its the same thing with avast thinking greatest of all time means the best objectively

gusty rampart
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Also Chengdu got cucked out of 2 finals lmao

willow tartan
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like slap an A-tier player on valiant, they are then technically carrying their team the hardest

gusty rampart
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Dragons and Gladiators are too powerful

willow tartan
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MVP worthy?

gusty rampart
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Nope

earnest leaf
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idk

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leave was easily the best player in the league last season

gusty rampart
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Nah

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Nah

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Nah

earnest leaf
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man dragged a team to each tourney by himself

gusty rampart
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Get this shit take off my screen

willow tartan
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saying this as if pelican didnt do the exact same thing

earnest leaf
#

pelican did

gusty rampart
#

Never said he didn't

earnest leaf
#

but not as much as leave

gusty rampart
#

And yea he literally did

#

Tho near the end KSP and Ir1s got extremely clutch

#

Reign were shit lmao

earnest leaf
#

dink no one cares about your shit bait

gusty rampart
#

They just got a lucky run

willow tartan
#

I guess technically chengdu did go a bit further

#

since they reached finals in ss and cc

gusty rampart
#

Reign reached Grand Finals

#

They got farther eye test wise

willow tartan
#

yeah but this is for regular season mvp

gusty rampart
#

But Chengdu only won against Fuel and Reign in NA

#

Mayhem, Shock, Gladiators, and even Fuel beat them lmao

tropic herald
#

Chengdu playoffs oh yeah the time when yveltal actively threw

willow tartan
#

they also got to finals in one stage where the meta was perfect for them and in the other stage where dallas and shanghai were taking a break

willow tartan
#

chengdu 3rd easily

#

woulda shut down reign and shock

gusty rampart
#

If Chengdu beat Shock

#

They would've beat Reign

#

But lost to Fuel

willow tartan
#

yeah

#

then fuel 2nd and shanghai 1st

gusty rampart
#

Then yay Fuel Dragons Grand Finals

willow tartan
#

that was the correct timeline

#

but no

gusty rampart
#

So exciting for the 3rd time

willow tartan
#

yveltal chooses to deny fate

tropic herald
#

Correct timeline was glads Shanghai finals

gusty rampart
#

Shock gave Reign the keys by beating the Mickey Mouse Hunters

willow tartan
#

they got rolled and smoked

tropic herald
#

For a series that would’ve been longer than 4 maps

gusty rampart
#

Glads should've won against Reign

willow tartan
#

After Shanghai did shock dirty on hanamura I already knew it was all over for the playoffs

gusty rampart
#

It actively angers me they didn't

willow tartan
#

it actively angers me that fuel decided to throw against atlanta

gusty rampart
#

I already knew from the get go Shanghai were our champions

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Unless Fuel actually tried and maybe upset them in losers bracket

#

Even then that's hard

earnest leaf
#

god jinmu is so bad off pharah/sombra

tropic herald
#

My favorite part about playoffs is when people thought Shanghai picking Shock was a hubris moment

gusty rampart
#

*Off Pharah

#

He's a glorified Pharah 1 trick

#

Chinese YZNSA 👍

earnest leaf
#

great pharah with a decent sombra

#

after that he's meh

willow tartan
#

and it was all taken away by gigachad moon

gusty rampart
#

Crusty got a little too sillychamp in s4

earnest leaf
#

hopefully one day we know the shit that happened to shock in s4

tropic herald
#

Viol2t Lucio

earnest leaf
#

whenever a player decides to leak what happened

gusty rampart
#

Super when he retires lmao

tropic herald
#

I find it funny that Viol2t just refuses to play Ana but will play Lucio and mercy

#

What’s up w that

gusty rampart
#

Viol2t makes or breaks the Shock

#

Bro they played Architect on Ana because he refuses to play Ana

tropic herald
#

Whatever you do don’t talk about the Viol2t Kings row incident

gusty rampart
#

Shit man

#

Never seen a team win a map off a singular play at the beginning of the game

earnest leaf
#

pelican/iris/kai were doing a fuck ton of work in the neutral was the main issue

#

if you watch back it was basically shock getting out poked then losing the fight

gusty rampart
#

And Hawk did pretty well as well

earnest leaf
#

it was funny on KR

#

because gator did nothing in a good way

#

he just never had to

gusty rampart
#

Bro played Rein against Ball which was known not to work

willow tartan
earnest leaf
#

reddit moment

willow tartan
#

2020 shanghai fusion and shock were more dominant than 2021 shanghai

#

didnt fusion only drop like 3 regular season games

#

2

earnest leaf
#

only 2 yea

#

2020 shock lost 4 games total that entire season as well

#

two where really early vs the LA teams who they beat every time after anyways

willow tartan
#

but i guess the argument is that NYXl played way more matches

#

so they lost less matches overall

#

so one can say that they were even more dominant

#

which i agree with

earnest leaf
#

then the other regular season loss was to philly in a hero pool week

gusty rampart
#

2018 NYXL dominated because the other teams sucked

#

LMAO

willow tartan
#

2020 shock and shanghai dominated because the other teams sucked

gusty rampart
#

Fair

#

But still

willow tartan
#

i dont get that argument

#

they were simply so far ahead of everyone else in their time that they made everyone else look bad in comparison

#

(team cc)

gusty rampart
#

Well in s1 most the teams were stinky

#

NYXL, Valiant, Spitfire, and Fusion were the only good teams

#

And Uprising

#

Teams like Shanghai were literally free wins

willow tartan
#

boston

#

houston

gusty rampart
#

Houston was shit

#

Shock was shit

#

Fuel was shit

willow tartan
#

no im saying

#

2020

#

everyone not named fusion shanghai or shock were bad

gusty rampart
#

Mayhem

#

Seoul near the end

#

Justice near the end

#

Paris

willow tartan
#

meta diff

twin bloom
#

Apac was just shanghai

twin bloom
willow tartan
tawdry hamlet
#

Atlanta would've beat Philly in any meta imo

#

Philly was hurtin

frosty patrol
#

apac had 1 permanently good team and na had 2

#

then a rotating cast of good teams in each region

willow tartan
frosty patrol
#

Atlanta was clearly inferior to philly in season 3 lmao

#

even if everyone on atlanta was on a comfort pick everyone on philly would be better at their respective heroes

#

besides maybe erster hanzo

twin bloom
#

Erster was giga washed s3

#

Lol

frosty patrol
#

if we say erster is not boomed then yes erster hanzo > ivy hanzo

high blade
vagrant cargo
north relic
#

Ivy hanzo is so good though

#

everyday ivy haksal haunts my dreams

#

Ez owlel

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frosty patrol
willow tartan
north relic
#

Imagine losing 50:50

#

Massive L

sullen berry
#

Whose ready to be spoiled OWLEL26

vagrant jacinth
#

OWLEL 26

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vagrant jacinth
north relic
vagrant jacinth
#

Great minds and all that

frosty patrol
#

hari is a yaki starter iirc

sullen berry
hot onyx
hot onyx
random magnet
#

LMAO

frosty patrol
#

I got it in 19

random magnet
#

Bot

balmy wolf
#

💀

hot onyx
balmy wolf
#

fuck that

hot onyx
#

Don’t click the spoiler label then idiot

balmy wolf
#

they are in another timezone mf

plush grail
#

dont click it

#

dumbass

north relic
#

Being in different time zones forced marbel to click on spoilers

devout path
north relic
#

What’s the emoji limit

#

I don’t want to get@muted

#

I got it in 27

devout path
#

Ur bad

balmy wolf
#

the owlel was so easy today

#

3 tries

lost thicket
#

if JAKE plays Tank in OW2 I will kms

#

JAKEFist

balmy wolf
#

joobi shouldve benched jake

#

in my opinion

lost thicket
#

nah

#

JAKEFist benches Piggy, JAKErat benches Danteh and JAKEBrig benches Joobi or something kekw

vagrant jacinth
#

22 ZaryaLUL

balmy wolf
#

jake benches everyone

#

i wonder

#

if you had all the owl rosters that won a championship

#

and put them against each other

#

which team would win

tepid ibex
#

Shanghai imo

#

Lip and fleta just too good

lost thicket
#

huh

#

like

#

do you mean split the teams in two?
or

#

lika a Team FFA

frosty patrol
#

fleta is the worst one chief

#

shanghai def wins

#

fate > smurf > gesture
void > choi > fury
lip > striker/ans > birdring
profit > fleta > rascal/architect
ljg > moth > nus
izayaki > viol2t > bdosin

lost thicket
#

overall that question is pretty dumb, also what map, what meta? no Meta? n other shit like that

#

lets say uhh, the blank island map thingy

#

peak or current?

#

also

#

do you like mean who will get more kills or something?

#

HOW THE FUCK ARE WE EVEN MEASURRING THIS

willow tartan
lost thicket
#

also do you mean full team

#

or starting 6

#

???????

#

if it's peak full team shock probably since big roaster full of talent, starting 6 current then shd, starting 6 peak I could see it going between SHD and SFS

frosty patrol
#

if it’s current easily shd

#

peak still could be shanghai

lost thicket
#

also what the fuck how do we define peak? Season 2 Shock peak then do they play goats?

frosty patrol
#

whoru nasty in his time

lost thicket
#

role limits?

#

FUCK

#

now I'm getting too invested

#

gimme a second

hot onyx
frosty patrol
#

close

hot onyx
#

On tracer maybe

#

On everything else you’re smoking

frosty patrol
#

profit > fleta on several heroes

#

fleta > profit on several heroes

hot onyx
#

Profit mei and echo is mid

lost thicket
#

ok

#

wanna do full team or starting 6?

#

lets assume it's peak

frosty patrol
#

Give me profit hanzo tracer genji reaper

#

tracer mega important

#

let’s take ball dva comp for example

#

shock would run what

hot onyx
#

Fleta tracer arguably better and more consistent than Profit

lost thicket
#

since no one answer I guess full team since more fun

frosty patrol
#

smurf ball choi dva striker tracer rascal sombra twilight brig viol2t zen

#

nasty at peak

#

besides smurf kinda

hot onyx
#

Rascal sombra 💀

frosty patrol
#

spitfire gesture ball fury dva profit tracer birdring sombra nus brig bdosin zen

#

kinda cringe

frosty patrol
#

original sombra player

hot onyx
#

Nasty without Lip Heesu and Doha as competition*

frosty patrol
#

We’re taking peak though

#

rascal has been the best sombra easily before

#

Adjusted for time he’d be like 3rd or 4th owl

hot onyx
#

Yeah but that’s like saying peak Fissure is better than today’s MuZe because of less competition

frosty patrol
#

muze is better than peak fissure

#

but we must adjust for good gameplay inflation

#

otherwise the question makes no sense

#

because like fucking dreamer monkey > miro monkey

#

but miro was much better for his time

lost thicket
#

SHD Whoru, Fleta, LIP, Void, Fate, LJG, Molly, Izayaki
SFS ANS, Striker, Ta1yo, Rascal, Architect, Sinatraa, super, Smurf, ChoiHyoBin, Moth, Viol2t, Twilight,
LDN birdring, Hooreg, Profit, Fury, WooHyaL, Gesture, TiZi, HaGoPeun, Bdosin, Closer, NUS

#

so uh, SHD lets assume Sombra Ball Dive

hot onyx
#

Unironically I would still take Miro over Dreamer today

lost thicket
#

San Francisco Shock would go Rush probably

#

anyone remember what S1 LDN played the best at?

hot onyx
#

Dream team right there

frosty patrol
lost thicket
frosty patrol
#

whoru nasty in his time

lost thicket
#

but it's not actually bad

frosty patrol
lost thicket
#

lol, lmao

frosty patrol
#

unironically

#

don’t diss peak whoru

#

ever

tropic herald
#

Whoru is an owl champion

hot onyx
#

Don’t diss peak HaGoPeun

tropic herald
#

Don’t ever forget that

lost thicket
hot onyx
frosty patrol
#

don’t fucking diss peak gido either

hot onyx
#

Valiant undefeatable with his knowledge

frosty patrol
#

gido was a legend in his time

tropic herald
#

WhoHyal?

next mesa
#

2021 dragons slap

next mesa
#

Pharah too

frosty patrol
#

fleta pharah…

lost thicket
hot onyx
#

Everyone can play pharah Levy

next mesa
#

Profit has the best pharah in the league no kappa

frosty patrol
#

better than the overrated pharah players jinmu and fleta tho

next mesa
#

No kappa

hot onyx
#

Sideshow took 5 kills from Yaki

#

Easily better

next mesa
#

It probably goes Profit Sparkle Jinmu

hot onyx
#

Profit has never got a kill on Yaki in his career

#

Embarrassing!

next mesa
#

Have they ever played eachother

#

That's a good question because I don't think so

frosty patrol
hot onyx
frosty patrol
#

nero sparkle profit jinmu yaki

next mesa
#

Lel

frosty patrol
#

imo

next mesa
#

I can take profit top 3

#

Just imo sparkle better than nero

hot onyx
#

Where Mirror?

frosty patrol
#

pharah is not a stacked hero

next mesa
#

Unlucky one match

frosty patrol
#

everyone is just kinda cringe on pharah

next mesa
#

Not profit

#

Very chad player

frosty patrol
#

besides like 2 players

#

3-6 are sometimes not cringe

#

nero dommed in season 2 stage 4

#

nero shu happy deadlifted rio

next mesa
#

Well yes

frosty patrol
#

I’d like to point something out

#

whoru is a top 5 genji

#

in the genji meta shanghai is in good hands

#

Ameng back to hunters as their offtank

next mesa
#

Whoru is obviously a top 5 genji

#

He's probably #2

frosty patrol
#

he’s 2nd yeah

#

maybe valentine can pop off on his one trick and be better

#

did it to the outluls

#

probably a fluke though

#

valentine would be the agilities of season 5 in a new genji meta

next mesa
#

Hard forcing nanoblade just works sometimes

#

Maybe myunbong can do it with yaki

frosty patrol
#

ttuba probably gets a 30 day emergency contract in the genji meta

#

to some team with a hole

hot onyx
frosty patrol
#

uprising semifinals midseason madness off bracket luck

hot onyx
#

Pretty bold claim for a team in 20th

balmy wolf
#

vancouver is probably gonna be a mid team

hot onyx
balmy wolf
#

nvm they will be top 5

hot onyx
#

I have Titans above Seoul and Fusion for the overall rankings

#

Something about them has this “dark horse” energy that not a lot of people have tapped into

next mesa
#

This season?

#

Trippin

hot onyx
#

Maybe

#

But it’s a bold take I’m not afraid to express

#

sHockWave Aspire can rival Carpe MN3 and Profits

next mesa
#

Wrong

#

But okay

north relic
plush grail
#

copium

next mesa
#

Only lip fleta can rival profits

#

And leave aprita on some metad

#

Metas

noble nexus
#

Birdring could too 😭

#

Left us when we needed him most

plush grail
#

u need friends

hot onyx
#

With Seicoe the Falcons nutcase to fill in those fdps holes Titans are heavily good

#

False is better Canadian representation than Roolf

#

And I take his off tank over Fury and Smurf ot

#

And Masaa Aztac are easily better than FiXa Aimgod and Vindaim Creative

#
  • double flex support with Skairipa
#

Maybe not easily better than Vindaim but still better

hot onyx
#

But St3lker better than all of them combined

tropic herald
#

Profits outdated

#

Overrated

hot onyx
#

Hey Empathy

#

What team do you like again?

#

I want to insult it now that you no longer have the power to ban me for a different opinion

tropic herald
#

You can’t insult me

#

💆‍♀️

next mesa
#

Vindaim is better than masaa

hot onyx
next mesa
#

Aztac fell off

tropic herald
#

Shanghai is prob still my favorites I like lots of the players there, idk I think I have to like NY Bc of Yaki and I think I like some players on glads n Shock n Atlanta hmm

hot onyx
#

Aztac is fucking nuts, he just didn’t get the chance to prove it because “sex big dick” nepotism

#

Plus being forced to off role

#

Man can rival Vigilante with the right team around him

#

Plus Masaa was high/top tier last season

next mesa
hot onyx
#

Top 6 minimum

next mesa
#

Not to mention saying seicoe can match profit or stalker is a huge joke

#

Stalker alone would fucking own him

hot onyx
#

He can’t but he’s still nuts and underrated

#

Never said he could match them

#

I said sHockWave Aspire could

next mesa
#

Can't believe it's an actual argument

#

Seoul would easily 3-0

hot onyx
#

Depending on the meta ofc

next mesa
#

Titans

#

Smurf slaps

next mesa
#

We shit on them in double hs

north relic
hot onyx
#

Double hs or anything with echo

noble nexus
#

You clearly don’t tho

next mesa
#

Profit is a top 3 hanzo ashe

noble nexus
#

Cuz you were the one asking me to play ow with you

#

Bozo

hot onyx
next mesa
#

#4*

north relic
next mesa
#

#4

#

It goes Lip Fits Shy Profit

north relic
#

I put Kai rlly high for Ashe

hot onyx
# next mesa #4*

Fits Carpe MN3 sHockWave and Aspire alone are all better at Ashe

next mesa
#

Profit is easily better than carpe shockwave aspire on ashe

tropic herald
north relic
#

Nah carpe Ashe is good

next mesa
#

If you disagree, sorry just wrong

#

It's good

north relic
#

Shockwave also

hot onyx
#

You have Profit down as this hyperflex god from season 1

next mesa
#

Profit is just better

next mesa
#

Literally played Ashe in the finals

hot onyx
#

When he fell off and is only elite on tracer hanzo and pharah

next mesa
#

You suffer from memory loss

hot onyx
#

You suffer from brain damage

next mesa
#

From this year and last year

hot onyx
#

Agree to disagree

next mesa
#

Nah you're braindead

hot onyx
#

Also what’s ur agenda against Carpe?

next mesa
#

If you think profit is worse than carpe on ashe you're just smoking

#

No agenda

#

I like him

north relic
#

Carpe s3 Ashe > profit s3 Ashe

hot onyx
#

Man finishes 8th in hitscan and suddenly a fdps is a better ashe?

next mesa
#

Profit's just better

#

He is

#

You just don't like to admit it

hot onyx
#

On tracer and hanzo yes

#

On hard hitscan no

next mesa
#

Carpe got shit on by ans

#

Profit didnt

hot onyx
#

He didn’t get shit on

next mesa
#

Ans owns carpe tbh

#

Have u watched Gibraltar

hot onyx
#

He put up a challenge and lost

plush grail
next mesa
#

Give me a break

hot onyx
#

Ans got hard pocketed by Moth that entire map

#

Plus there was a team diff

#

Shock simply better then

#

Just like they were better than Seoul

next mesa
hot onyx
#

Next you’re gonna say Carpe wasn’t a top 3 hitscan season 3

next mesa
#

At least we put up a way better fight lmao

next mesa
hot onyx
#

Ah yes 4-2 over 3-1 in a lucky meta

next mesa
#

On ashe though profit is better

next mesa
#

Previously

#

Suffering from memory loss again

hot onyx
#

How about

tropic herald
#

Profit overrated

next mesa
#

Your mom's overrated

plush grail
#

naga > profit

hot onyx
#

Dragons and Fusion were rendered either useless or lower than they were capable of being during the hog meta

next mesa
#

Dragons still did fine

#

You know why

#

Because they're an actually good team

hot onyx
#

Yeah you still lost 2 maps to Stand1 hog

next mesa
#

So

#

You got swept

hot onyx
#

Fusion lost 3 but that’s because they were already defeated before the finals started

next mesa
#

Twice

hot onyx
#

😎

#

Meta difference

next mesa
#

Honestly sado was hard trolling

#

He looked like literally that hog that everyone complains about in ranked

hot onyx
#

The Kings Row hog flank of October 2020

next mesa
#

Fusion was literally the only team that had two off tanks in a two off tank meta

#

And u still got swept twice

#

How bro

hot onyx
#

Actually

#

Seoul had Michelle Toyou

#

And Dragons had Void Geguri

next mesa
#

Michelle didn't exist on our team

#

Toyou went back to geng

hot onyx
#

Dragons were less bad at adapting to that cursed meta and Seoul got their only good meta

#

That’s how

#

Now for the sake of my mental health I’m not interacting with you for the rest of the day

next mesa
#

Changoon would rather put himself on ot before putting Michelle in

hot onyx
#

🐙

next mesa
#

CYA BITCH

hot onyx
#

Squid Games

next mesa
#

PROFIT>>

tropic herald
#

No way man

IMG_5480.png
#

No way

hot onyx
#

Also Spark sweep Seoul and Fusion next year

#

So we’re both bad and titleless

#

🐙

next mesa
#

Honestly

#

Yes alphayi is better than

#

Architect

#

But he's kinda overrated

#

That while bilibili team cannot stop choking

frosty patrol
#

architect is cracked on 4 heroes wdym

hot onyx
#

Dear god you’re gonna say Profit is a better hitscan than Shy and Pineapple next

next mesa
frosty patrol
#

and none of them are viable

next mesa
#

Don't put words in my mouth dawg

hot onyx
#

Architect is a bottom 5 dps coming into this season

next mesa
#

Shy is better