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[hot onyx]

the screams of king kong sound posh to you Ian

[noble nexus]

Sans is far too close

[hot onyx]

aw hell yeah glads fan meet up

👉 👈

[plush grail]

sans and jack gonna kiss irl

[noble nexus]

???

[hot onyx]

i don't think my gf would like that

[noble nexus]

I’m gay not desperate smh

There’s a difference there

[plush grail]

u can be gay AND desperate

[hot onyx]

nothing wrong with wanting a smooch from a chad with good looks like this

[plush grail]

soulles stare

u look like a npc

[hot onyx]

damn luigi speaking french rn

[balmy wolf]

french

[hot onyx]

really getting into character of a paris "fan"

[balmy wolf]

can i have a friend that isnt a shock fan

[plush grail]

no

[balmy wolf]

:(

why not

ok

[hot onyx]

ping ntb

i am sure they will want to be ur friend

[balmy wolf]

who is ntb

[hot onyx]

human

[balmy wolf]

a human?

ew

[hot onyx]

beggars can't be choosers

[balmy wolf]

can you be my friend

[hot onyx]

you can be my barely tolerated acquaintance

[balmy wolf]

yay

is that a yes or no

[plush grail]

can u like stop talking

[hot onyx]

actually treu

[balmy wolf]

no

[hot onyx]

still haven't accepted my 1v1 offer ian

[plush grail]

what game

[hot onyx]

Mario Kart

[plush grail]

ping is gonna be ass

[hot onyx]

you're in eu and im in uk

[plush grail]

im in a normal country

ur in a third world country

[hot onyx]

this is where I would disagree with you but sadly I cannot

[plush grail]

bri ish

[balmy wolf]

bri ish

[hot onyx]

you chose to live in dutchland

that's no better

[plush grail]

i dont chose to

[hot onyx]

then why

[balmy wolf]

why

[noble nexus]

Reactions 🤮

[balmy wolf]

:(

[hot onyx]

🙂

why the fuck

[balmy wolf]

this is not a :) moment

[noble nexus]

:)

[hot onyx]

HOW

[noble nexus]

Your discord settings

Ape

[balmy wolf]

hey they arent an ape

[noble nexus]

1 blocked message

[balmy wolf]

:(

no

[hot onyx]

:)

LETSGO

[noble nexus]

I’m very proud of you Cowboy Sans

[hot onyx]

I'm proud of me too

[noble nexus]

That’s awesome

[hot onyx]

to celebrate I'm gonna go rewatch the Countdown Cup finals

[balmy wolf]

nice

[hot onyx]

2019

[noble nexus]

Cool

[hot onyx]

when Shock got Cocked

[balmy wolf]

oh

[noble nexus]

Pretty sure it was the other one that they got cocked in

[balmy wolf]

thats fine tho

:D

[hot onyx]

they got cocked in a lot of them

[noble nexus]

There also wasn’t a summer showdown in 2019

Or any of those tourneys

Idk I just think you’re lying at this point

And it’s rather hurtful

That you’d lie to me like this

[hot onyx]

stage 3 was the equivalent of CC

[noble nexus]

Was it called CC?

n o

So suck my balls

[hot onyx]

Damn Jack, I thought you had standards

change of heart?

[balmy wolf]

jack so mean

[hot onyx]

big fan of Persona 5

[balmy wolf]

unlike me

i am kind

[noble nexus]

Wtf is standards change of heart and why do I have it

If that’s an insult I’ll probably cry

Just so you know

I’m building up the tears already

[hot onyx]

the standards of not having any lip-to-lip contact

[noble nexus]

Oh yeah sure whatever

I have that

👍

[hot onyx]

Never too late to not have them

[balmy wolf]

!!is mystary kind and cool

[young fractal]

It is certain.

[hot onyx]

I am a huge fan of main support superstar FunnyAstro

[balmy wolf]

funnyastro so cool

[noble nexus]

Nah it’s all good I’m fine with it :)

[hot onyx]

:(

[balmy wolf]

dont worry

im here

[hot onyx]

:((((((

[balmy wolf]

why did you get more sad

[cedar oasis]

How is the uk a 3rd world country

[noble nexus]

Brexit

[hot onyx]

Do you live there?

[cedar oasis]

Ye

[undone valley]

they've been brexiting since the beginning of 19th century

[cedar oasis]

Brexit means brexit

[hot onyx]

Then how the fuck is that a question without an obvious answer?

[cedar oasis]

Only half the ul is shit

Fuck

Ul

Fuck

[noble nexus]

3rd times the charm

[cedar oasis]

Uk

[noble nexus]

4th*

Yay

[cedar oasis]

Fuck you midget

[noble nexus]

Good job chimp

[cedar oasis]

Go mouth breath

[noble nexus]

Your father already fucks me dw

I mouth breath on your dads dick and balls every night

[hot onyx]

You’re cheating on my dad?

[noble nexus]

And Luigi’s

[cedar oasis]

Jack is such a hoe

I give up

Fuck spelling

[noble nexus]

Yay

That only took 2 attempts

:)

[cedar oasis]

I will punt you you dwarf

[noble nexus]

Literally 6’3 but go off king

[cedar oasis]

Go lick a window

[noble nexus]

Gotta finish licking your dads balls first

Okok that’s enough

It’s low hanging fruit now

[cedar oasis]

Why are you so horny

[noble nexus]

I’m not

You make it too easy

[balmy wolf]

i am cool owl enjoyer

[cedar oasis]

So when owl starts do we have to be nice to the new people that might join

[balmy wolf]

yes

[noble nexus]

I’m nice to new people anyways

🤷‍♂️

[balmy wolf]

be nice 2 me then

pls?

[cedar oasis]

Yea jack be nice to the whomegaglul

[noble nexus]

2 blocked messages

[hot onyx]

I remember being new

!!joined

[young fractal]

You joined on May 28, 2020

[hot onyx]

Holy shit I joined on Roman Atwood’s birthday

Pop off

[balmy wolf]

!!joined

[young fractal]

You joined on Dec 30, 2021

[cloud latch]

!!joined

[young fractal]

You joined on Feb 16, 2019

[balmy wolf]

shanghai were unmatched at ball

[mortal abyss]

ball

[balmy wolf]

yes

[hot onyx]

Guess the Hunters don’t exist

[willow tartan]

ya cuz they get gapped

[balmy wolf]

yes

[north relic]

!!joined

[young fractal]

You joined on May 12, 2020

[plush grail]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/710807530288447488/749444284343779328/image0-1-1-3.gif

[random magnet]

!!joined

[young fractal]

You joined on Apr 09, 2021

[balmy wolf]

!!joined

cmon bro

[north relic]

L

[plush grail]

so unbased

[north relic]

Only regulars can do it

[plush grail]

says u

[north relic]

!!joined

[young fractal]

You joined on May 12, 2020

[north relic]

Ez

[plush grail]

!!joined

[young fractal]

You joined on Jun 01, 2019

[plush grail]

ratio'd

[balmy wolf]

!!joined

please be the first date

[vagrant jacinth]

Yes and also answer questions about drops 15,000 times

[balmy wolf]

!!joined

[young fractal]

You joined on Apr 04, 2019

[balmy wolf]

woah

[plush grail]

nobody cares marbel

[vagrant jacinth]

Lol

[north relic]

^

[balmy wolf]

Lol

[next mesa]

!!joined

[young fractal]

You joined on Jul 19, 2018

[next mesa]

Ratio all of u

[balmy wolf]

!!joined

[young fractal]

You joined on Dec 30, 2021

[balmy wolf]

:(

[balmy wolf]

i care

[hot onyx]

I care too Marb

[balmy wolf]

5 downvotes

wth

i love u sans

[hot onyx]

I love me too

[plush grail]

Imagine having merch of ur team

Can't relate

:,(

[earnest leaf]

Plat Chat's overall main tank rankings

[cedar oasis]

what are they smoking

bumper11 super 1 oge 20th fissure 9th?

[hot onyx]

MANO 6TH???????

Also, what the fuck did Super do to be above Smurf Fearless and Fate?

[earnest leaf]

also reinforce said he wanted to bump smurf up one spot but ran out of time to change his list

[worn falcon]

yes

Mano was a chad

i agree with the list, Super can toe to toe with Fearless and Fate

honestly ill bump mano over gesture

[gusty rampart]

Bumper was kind of bad LOL

[cedar oasis]

mano s1 and 2 was top 3

s3 he was top 5

[plush grail]

how the fuck was this ranked

[balmy wolf]

put mag up

and gator

[worn falcon]

nah, mag deserve that spot till he earns it

[balmy wolf]

ratio

[cedar oasis]

how is fate there

i swear he was mid until he was on the dragons

[balmy wolf]

what

[hot onyx]

Top tier season 1

High tier season 3

[balmy wolf]

fate has always been good

also @hot onyx please delete your dislike on my message

it makes me look uncool

actually

im sorry

[hot onyx]

You make it sound like my opinion matters

[balmy wolf]

it does

[north relic]

did super pay plat chat

[balmy wolf]

yes

i think fate deserved 1

[hot onyx]

Nah

[worn falcon]

yes, he send to them those nsfw Tifa cosplay photos.

[hot onyx]

Smurf or Fearless

[balmy wolf]

no

[earnest leaf]

No not fearless

[north relic]

ameng not even top 3 smh

[balmy wolf]

defo not fearless

[plush grail]

DAAN BEST TANK SHUT THE FUCK UP I DO NOT ACCEPT CRITISISM

[worn falcon]

daan isnt even in the list

[plush grail]

nice try downvoting me shitters

[hot onyx]

We succeeded

[plush grail]

i cant wait for the next owl season

im gonna drink so much alcohol

[north relic]

in america we call that sunday

[hot onyx]

In England we call that day

[plush grail]

sans ur legal right

join me in the drinnking games

[hot onyx]

Turned 18 last year yes

[north relic]

is EU 18 drinking age

[plush grail]

let's go

[hot onyx]

And I would if I could afford it and if I didn’t care about my liver

[plush grail]

take a shot every time daan feeds

[north relic]

sans is gonna take 0 shots

because vestola mt is better than daan's

[hot onyx]

Excuse me

Dridro mt Vestola ms

How about this drinking game

I take a shot every time FiXa proves himself worthy of ROTY

[plush grail]

fucking never

[balmy wolf]

wow

[hot onyx]

That’s cute

As if Fusion is even going to make 2nd

[balmy wolf]

they will always lose map 4s now

[hot onyx]

Where’s your insult now white boy?

[balmy wolf]

and will be 3rd place

[hot onyx]

😎

[plush grail]

sans

ur almost see-trough

[hot onyx]

Vitamin D deficiency does that to a mf

Ur still whiter

[balmy wolf]

color

[hot onyx]

Type of fellow to listen to a song on your phone while at a concert and call it multitasking

[cedar oasis]

sans lives in the north

he must either do meth

or love goats

[hot onyx]

I’ve acquired depression and only hated goats for its longevity

Is that close enough?

[cedar oasis]

everyone who plays overwatch for more then a week gets depression

[balmy wolf]

yes

[hot onyx]

Mystary

Do you ever contribute to a conversation?

“Page 1 of 5”

[cedar oasis]

whomegalul

[hot onyx]

the whomegalul

[cedar oasis]

thats why i call them a whomegalul

no persanality

[balmy wolf]

yes

!!joined

[young fractal]

You joined on Dec 30, 2021

[balmy wolf]

how is there yes before i joined

[north relic]

sans what are your thoughts on this

[balmy wolf]

i contribute to conversations

[next mesa]

LMAO

Mano

[hot onyx]

Sado?

[hot onyx]

No

A comeback??

That was a retirement fall off

He was good in 1 and 2

Fell off mildly with IMT Anamo JJoNak

Then fell off hard with NineK Fastro Alarm

[vagrant jacinth]

Bro super number 1?? Wat

[plush grail]

[north relic]

yea

super is good and all but he doesnt compare to fate fearless smurf

[plush grail]

legit

ur dumb

[vagrant jacinth]

I'd prolly have him at 3 or 4

[north relic]

i probably have him at 4

[worn falcon]

he deffo compares to fate/fearless

bruh, he can play vs them well.

has evolved very well

[north relic]

my list would be

1. fate
2. fearless
3. smurf
4. super
5. mano
6. gesture
7. sado
8. fissure
9. guxue
10. ameng

[worn falcon]

ameng washed

[north relic]

ameng god

[worn falcon]

unironically i agree with the chatplat list

maybe bump mano over gesture.

[next mesa]

wheres miro

[worn falcon]

13

[next mesa]

i dont see an argument for fissure over miro

fissure is way too high

[worn falcon]

Fissure was solid Rein/Monke

not had time to shine on Orisa or Ball sadly

[next mesa]

fissure is way overrated

career wise

he really only played really really great on glads

on seoul he was good not great not top tier

titans disaster in s3

[north relic]

the problem with miro is that he didnt do anything in OWL

[next mesa]

its way too short

[worn falcon]

at least Kaiser exist

[next mesa]

fissure didnt either

super i dont think he's #1

i dont see an argument for him over smurf

[north relic]

smurf literally benched super

[worn falcon]

then super benched smurf

Good Orisa, Monke, Rein

[north relic]

rein is the only reasonable time you would bench smurf

[next mesa]

Smurf is better at 3/4 of the main tanks

[north relic]

smurf has an insane monkey insane orisa and an ok rein

[next mesa]

we all know that super played because smurf had mental issues

[worn falcon]

and he did great subbing smurf

Everyone had doubts on super monkey

[next mesa]

its not doubts

its observations

his monkey is just simply not top tier

[north relic]

the difference between super and smurf monkey though

[earnest leaf]

rating super is funny

[worn falcon]

if anything i would be ok with Fate up here, but no smurf.

[earnest leaf]

Because it seems everyone places him differently

[tropic herald]

miro sucks ass

fissure didnt

[tropic herald]

i personally wouldve put him 2nd

[next mesa]

u can argue that miro was the only one that didnt suck on winston pre owl too

dont get the argument since its an all-time list

[tropic herald]

pre owl more like who cares

[next mesa]

this is what i dont get

[worn falcon]

1. Fate, 2. Super, 3. Fearless, 4. Smurf, 5. Mano.

[earnest leaf]

fuck pre owl

[worn falcon]

that would be my top 5.

[earnest leaf]

no one cares about it

[tropic herald]

if you fall off a cliff before owl you cant be placed in the top 10

there was 4 years of owl

[next mesa]

why dont you guys just make a current 10 best main tanks then

[tropic herald]

btw

how many years of apex

what 2

so like

even if you dont believe recent years are more valuable

then like

[next mesa]

but fissure was not the best main tank in the league for 2 years

more than 2years

dont understand the argument

[tropic herald]

ur still saying someone good for 1/3 of the games life span is better than someone who is better than someone who was good for 1/2 of it

and when that person w the 1/2 was better in more competitive seasons you have to think

• miro monkey otp

[next mesa]

fissure had a single good season in owl

btw

also yeah but miro also revolutionized the hero

[tropic herald]

and miro had 0

[next mesa]

so?

he had 2 great ones before

[tropic herald]

if this was a list of winton players

sure

this is a list of main tanks

[next mesa]

2>1

btw

[worn falcon]

Fissure was vs top MT too, much more than Miro.

[hot onyx]

This isn’t a list of rein players and yet super made it to #1

[tropic herald]

apex years dont count for shit in this arguement unless the player is still good

[next mesa]

that logic makes no sense

that's like expecting magic johnson to still be good after 1995

[worn falcon]

none of top 10 are pre owl

[next mesa]

for example tobi was what

#3 or #4

in the ms list

hugely because of pre owl

[earnest leaf]

Basically if someone was good pre-owl and was able to continue that success, that is somewhat meaningful

But if they fell off the face of the earth once owl started, maybe they really weren't that great

[next mesa]

again if this wasn't an all time list that's obviously true

[worn falcon]

MS was

[next mesa]

but this is an all time list

[hot onyx]

I’m sorry

Tobi above Fastro

That ain’t it chief

[next mesa]

he had more success in the game

[hot onyx]

Fastro had a much higher peak

[worn falcon]

FS was

[hot onyx]

Against much more difficult competition

[next mesa]

there's something not going through all of you

this is an all-time list

[north relic]

stolen from avast- "pre owl is like seasoning. it makes a dish better but you dont just snack on salt packets"

[earnest leaf]

yes

and not much weight is put into pre-owl

[next mesa]

you can argue ja morant is better than oscar robinson right now

oscar robinson is still ranked higher in the all-time list

you take account in the history

[worn falcon]

OT was

[north relic]

we know miro was good back then but PRE OWL means very little compared to OWL

[next mesa]

i literally dont care what avast says his lists are so bad

[hot onyx]

There’s a difference between “right now” and falling off once OWL starts

[hot onyx]

Who the fuck gave that single vote to the fucker that was benched by a mt and fs after such subpar performances?

[next mesa]

avast put iris on like #5 or 6 all-time

literally irrelevant

just like you guys he has no concept of an idea of an all-time list

why do you guys think bill russell is consensus top 15 all time

[earnest leaf]

No one cares about a player who was decent pre owl then immediatly fell off

[hot onyx]

Levy you are stuck in 2017

Irrelevant

[next mesa]

he would get trashed on now

[earnest leaf]

You cannot weigh pre-owl heavier than any owl season

[next mesa]

but he also won 11 rings

you have to account history when your title of the list is "all-time"

[earnest leaf]

No shit

[next mesa]

or else it'll just be called "Top 10 Main Tanks in the 2022 season"

[hot onyx]

It’s not about now it’s about how much success they had whilst keeping that success

[earnest leaf]

But you don't have to weigh the old history as heavily as things are now

[worn falcon]

"all time" and they weight more OWL because its top tier competition?

[next mesa]

APEX was OWL before OWL though so I don't get that argument

[next mesa]

i just dont ignore 1/3 of the game's lifespan

[north relic]

because OWL accelerated the growth of players by a lot more than APEX

[hot onyx]

I’m not ignoring it

I’m saying the peaks of those players being less than others as well as their fall offs into OWL don’t justify you putting them absurdly high

[worn falcon]

Everyone rated Miro like top 1 before OWL, then Guxue, Mano, Gesture came and played consistently and through more balance changes than previous eras.

[hot onyx]

It’s like you’re also ignoring 2/3 of the games lifespan

[next mesa]

having a player that was #1 for 2 years and revolutionized winston in the top 10 (im not saying he's top 5) isn't absurdly high

he'd probably be #10 or #9

[hot onyx]

That’s fair

Tobi was one of the only half decent main supports for 2 years and putting him above Fastro who has a much higher peak is bullturd

[tropic herald]

he only revolutionized one main tank, shit the bed in the weakest season of owl and flew off the face of the earth

😭

[worn falcon]

And then others went through many MT heroes

They were adapt or retire

[hot onyx]

Damn I can’t believe Miro only revolutionised one main tank

What a fucking loser

[next mesa]

he has more accolades

[tropic herald]

and then he wasnt even good in the 4 years that mean anything

[next mesa]

fastro is obviously the better player

your mentality is just wrong

[hot onyx]

And has been the better player in all the seasons they’ve both been in OWL

[next mesa]

if you think owl is the only 4 years that mean anything

[hot onyx]

His peak is much higher

[next mesa]

he is

[hot onyx]

I literally don’t

[next mesa]

no no

[hot onyx]

Tobi is top 10

[next mesa]

not talking to you

to empathy

[hot onyx]

Oh yeah the mod

[tropic herald]

is zunba a top 10 ot of all time

[hot onyx]

Be careful if your opinion doesn’t match theirs they’ll give you a stern warning

[next mesa]

fastro is the better player but he doesn't have the accolades to back it up

[hot onyx]

What is an accolade

Asking for an acquaintance

[next mesa]

while tobi has 2x apex title owwc titles and another gf appearance in the league

[hot onyx]

Oh damn I didn’t realise a couple titles meant he’s the better player

[next mesa]

he's not

it means tobi ranks higher in the all-time list

[hot onyx]

of all time

I meant

That’s bullshit when Fastro peaked higher

[next mesa]

for example bill russell is higher than embiid in the all-time list but embid is clearly the better player right now

but embid also doesnt have 11 rings

[hot onyx]

Tobi did good in apex against like 2 teams that would be mid in OWL

Fastro did splendid with Mano on his team for half of his career

[next mesa]

i mean they beat runaway and lw blue

but that's not the point

[hot onyx]

Bumper off tank

[trail perch]

how the fuck did plat chat rate SUPER THE BEST MT OF ALL TIME

what the fuck

what the fuck

what the fuck

[north relic]

listening to plat chat the main reason is that tobi revolutionized lucio where other teams needed to learn to play lucio to match his value

[trail perch]

he can play one hero

literally one

and he isnt even top 3 on that hero

[north relic]

?

[hot onyx]

Based super hate

[north relic]

super is top 3 rein def

[hot onyx]

But please

Name the top 3 reins

[trail perch]

As of right now?

Fearless

Mag

Gator

[hot onyx]

Mag

[trail perch]

Yeah tf

Mag is an incredible rein

he showed it in the summer showdown when he literally MTDed muze and fearless

[next mesa]

mag is a good rein

[trail perch]

and just fell short of hawaii

[next mesa]

but again

this is an all-time list

[trail perch]

yeah

[next mesa]

super is obviously the best rein all-time

however

[trail perch]

super had one other good year

2019

[next mesa]

i do disagree on #1

[trail perch]

lmao

he didnt play in 2020

like barely

[next mesa]

because i think fearless fate and smurf should all be higher

[trail perch]

he got subbed in

to play one hero

[balmy wolf]

muze got hard diffed by super

[hot onyx]

Super is not even top 5 on ALL main tanks

[balmy wolf]

on rein

[trail perch]

How do you call him the GOAT of MT

[trail perch]

in one game...

the first game of the season...

[hot onyx]

One game with Kevster on ping and figuring out the core roster

[trail perch]

yeah lmao

all time sure super best rein

But best MT????

Not even close

Mano>

[worn falcon]

he is

[trail perch]

Sado>

[worn falcon]

lolno

[trail perch]

fucking gesture>

[worn falcon]

he diffed them

[trail perch]

of all time main tanks?

across all heros

[next mesa]

nah not sado

[trail perch]

in all of ow1?

[worn falcon]

he played vs top MT too

[hot onyx]

Yes Sado

[worn falcon]

yes

[trail perch]

ur smoking some strange shit then

[worn falcon]

lol no

[trail perch]

cause he only played one hero

[hot onyx]

Sado had a top 3 season and was consistently good all the rest of the time

[worn falcon]

he played vs top tier mt consistently all across his career

[hot onyx]

Better than a rein otp

[balmy wolf]

sado and mano were worse then super in s4

[trail perch]

bro he was shit in season 1

[hot onyx]

Who got carried by his team

[trail perch]

didnt have a pre owl presence

did incredible in season 2 on rein

[earnest leaf]

iirc super did fine in s1

[trail perch]

But literally just rein

[worn falcon]

pre owl is shit

[earnest leaf]

just shock was still shit at the time

[hot onyx]

Mano was dogshit Sado wasn’t bad and both are better on all overall main tanks than super all time

[trail perch]

mid to low tier

[worn falcon]

Super have good monkey, rein, orisa

[earnest leaf]

Also super's orisa is good from what we've seen

[trail perch]

Not better than like sado or mano

[earnest leaf]

Winston/ball are suitable enough as well

[trail perch]

lmao

[next mesa]

again super does not have a good monkey relative to the top monkeys

[worn falcon]

ball is his weak one

[hot onyx]

Super is a C tier monkey wtf

[earnest leaf]

Sado is a mid tier fucking main tank lmao

[gusty rampart]

B

[trail perch]

as of right now yes

but we've had 3 other years

[next mesa]

sado has a better monkey

[gusty rampart]

Sado was kind of mid

[earnest leaf]

The second the man didn't have a top 3 back line he crumbled

[hot onyx]

Season 3

[trail perch]

Sado was a top 3 orisa s1

[next mesa]

super always had a top 3 backline as well

[trail perch]

then s2 philly was philly

[next mesa]

[trail perch]

but season 3 sado was elite on all main tanks

something super cant say

about any year

lmao

[north relic]

problem with sado is that other than season 3 he didnt do much

[earnest leaf]

Elite? lmao

[hot onyx]

Rare good Levy take?

[north relic]

he wasnt bad just nothing happened

[trail perch]

Bro what

[earnest leaf]

Sado was a good mt that slotted in well with philly that year

[balmy wolf]

sado was only good s3

[next mesa]

sado was good on all main tanks except ball and hog if you count hog

[trail perch]

get help <3

[hot onyx]

He did better with ASJ Lastro then Mano with Fastro Alarm

[north relic]

last year isnt a top 3 backline but what levy said is factual

[hot onyx]

And last year Shock won nothing

[next mesa]

super is at least top 4

[earnest leaf]

But in the end

[hot onyx]

[north relic]

they won play ins

[next mesa]

super fate fearless smurf is a lock

[earnest leaf]

Super is one of the very few main tanks that came into owl, and never dropped off in performance

[next mesa]

gesture #5

[hot onyx]

Tied win with Justice

Doesn’t count

[balmy wolf]

last year shock didnt win anything but they got 4th place in playoffs

[worn falcon]

Ill put this way, Super was consistently playing vs top MT, people forget Shock was fighting vs top MT too

[earnest leaf]

top3 Mts are super/smurf/fate in no order for owl all time imo

[worn falcon]

I would argue if he was weak against mid or low tier teams

[hot onyx]

Because he only gets subbed in to play rein (or 2020 playoff hog)

[earnest leaf]

Because he shared MT with smurf

[hot onyx]

Super gets fucked by other high tier main tanks on any other hero

[earnest leaf]

who is a top 2 winston

No shit he isn't gonna replace him

And even this year he played winston over smurf towards the end

and orisa

[north relic]

imo top 3 is fearless smurf fate with super 4th

[hot onyx]

I never said about replacing him

[next mesa]

ur acting like super is #3 winston

when he's not even close to smurf's level

[hot onyx]

His winston was mid at best

[earnest leaf]

Fearless was mia for too long to be top 3 imo

[next mesa]

i agree

[north relic]

mia?

he played 3 seasons

[hot onyx]

Missing in action

[north relic]

fearless has more playtime than smurf

[earnest leaf]

s1 was well, season 1 lol

[next mesa]

he was pounding in chinese contenders too

in s2

came out in s3 was instantly top 2

[worn falcon]

1. Fate, 2. Super, 3. Fearless, 4. Smurf, 5. Mano.

[earnest leaf]

s2 didn't play, and then came back in s3 and became really good

[north relic]

smurf only really played in s3

[worn falcon]

top 5

[earnest leaf]

Where as super/smurf/fate pretty much came in s1, and kept up the whole time

That's why I put them higher all time

[next mesa]

except fearless has had more playtime

super was benched for almost an entier season

so was smurf

[earnest leaf]

because he was the only main tank for two years on teams

[hot onyx]

Fearless is an equal rein and much better winston and ball, not to mention Smurf being better and more consistent than Super on 3/4 main tanks

[earnest leaf]

no shit he gets a bunch of playtime lmao

[next mesa]

good take

[earnest leaf]

and again in the end

[hot onyx]

No fucking shot Smurf is so bad on rein that his winston ball and orisa is overlooked to the point of being near equal

[earnest leaf]

Super/smurf both have way more trophies than fearless

[hot onyx]

Thank you @next mesa

[worn falcon]

im torn between fearless/smurf than the first 2 spots.

[next mesa]

good torn

[hot onyx]

Cuyo

[next mesa]

wait

[earnest leaf]

I'd give the edge to smurf imo

[next mesa]

u mean fearless and smurf for the top 2 spots right

[worn falcon]

no

[hot onyx]

What about Super on orisa winston and ball makes him better than Smurf overall?

[worn falcon]

1. Fate, 2. Super.

[next mesa]

imo if smurf didnt have a bad mental this year he would be #1

[next mesa]

nvm

[worn falcon]

i can switch Smurf or Fearless for 3

[next mesa]

shit opinion

[earnest leaf]

fate/super/smurf top 3 in no order

fearless 4th easily though

[hot onyx]

Just because Super has a funny rein doesn’t make him top 3 overall

[willow tartan]

at what

[hot onyx]

This is an all time main tank list

[next mesa]

fearless better

[hot onyx]

Not all time rein list

[earnest leaf]

Fearless didn't have the longevity of the other 3, and the trophies to put him above those 3

[hot onyx]

And even then Fearless is better than Super on rein

[worn falcon]

mfw people thinking super is just Rein otp

[next mesa]

he has the argument that he is the better player

[balmy wolf]

I agree with none of u

[earnest leaf]

fearless isn't even a better rein lol

[next mesa]

he is

[hot onyx]

It’s hard to have a bad orisa, his winston is B at best and his ball js horrid

[earnest leaf]

The recency bias strikes again, unlucky

[next mesa]

best rein this season

[north relic]

fearless literally has more playtime than smurf

[hot onyx]

Fearless was a sick rein season 3 as well remember

[next mesa]

look at u contradicting yourself

[worn falcon]

no, you're talking about this season

we talking over all the owl

[hot onyx]

Yeah

[willow tartan]

nah i think bumper should be placed above both of them

[hot onyx]

Super is a rein otp

With a decent hog

His orisa winston and ball are not even remotely close to the top level

[willow tartan]

dont foget his superstar level genji

[next mesa]

super and fearless are both flexible but fearless has way higher peaks on more heroes

[hot onyx]

Better zen imo

[next mesa]

good take

[worn falcon]

Super monke is arguably A tier, ill give orisa B

[willow tartan]

who would you say is the greatest orisa player of all time

[earnest leaf]

nah super's orisa was easily top tier this year

[next mesa]

other way around

[hot onyx]

Please stop talking

[next mesa]

Super's orisa is A

[north relic]

smurf or maybe even gator

[next mesa]

His monkey is at best B

[willow tartan]

no way its gator

[next mesa]

For Orisa definitely Smurf and then Fate

[earnest leaf]

Also it's hard to fully rate his winston/ball since his playtime is limited on them mostly

We'll have to see this season how he does on them

[hot onyx]

Smurf Fate Gator maybe Sado

[next mesa]

The times he did play it didn't look too tier though that's the thing

[hot onyx]

At a stretch

[earnest leaf]

Gator/super were the best orisa's this year imo

[willow tartan]

ehh

[hot onyx]

No

[next mesa]

I think fate could've been better than both of them

If Shanghai decided to run inferior comps

[willow tartan]

i think gaga had the better orisa, just their team didnt coordinate as well

like from an individual hero skill

gaga mechanically better orisa

[hot onyx]

Hey guys this chat isn’t controversial enough, Hotba top 5 all time

[north relic]

orisa mechs so good

[willow tartan]

go watch his orisa pov dude

[north relic]

guys you arent even talking about the god rio

[next mesa]

ga9a honestly cracked

his ball is unmatched

if ga9a was on dragons they would be unstoppable

[north relic]

fate would like to speak with you

[willow tartan]

no because he's chinese

communication issue

[north relic]

how good is muze orisa

[balmy wolf]

wtf is thus

[next mesa]

ga9a constantly diffs fate in their matchups

ball wise

[willow tartan]

that's an example of how bad shock were beating up the rest of NA in 2020

[next mesa]

ga9a is best in the world

[hot onyx]

Yo Rascal from Fusion and Ans from Glads on the same team?

[balmy wolf]

yes

its a image from the future

trust

[willow tartan]

from overwatch 3?

[balmy wolf]

yes

[north relic]

thats not how it works rascal from fusion is s4 and ans from glads is s5

[balmy wolf]

viol2t and moth swap roles

[hot onyx]

Rascals last team was Fusion

[north relic]

he is in fuel rn

[balmy wolf]

and super becomes a good orisa and winston

[willow tartan]

Yo is that rascal from fusion and ans from fusion valorant?

[hot onyx]

Last team as a player

I’m tired and the bad takes have given me brain rot

Goodnight gentlemen and Cuyo

[north relic]

tonight is jackbox night tho

[balmy wolf]

goodafternoon

[hot onyx]

Please on a weekend when I don’t need to be awake at 6am

[north relic]

this game is pain 9 games with 0 sr difference

[hot onyx]

Don’t play for the sr

Play for the memories

[north relic]

my memories is getting rank 68 on open queue

so close to 69

[hot onyx]

Funny number

[next mesa]

thats crazy

u guys play overwatch?

https://tenor.com/view/smug-inanis-anime-girl-heh-ninomae-gif-23974461

[hot onyx]

Fuck no lmao, Super Mario Galaxy speedrunner

[north relic]

yea we didnt play in 2017 and fall off in 2018

[hot onyx]

Yeah I fell off in 2019

[north relic]

your sombra play was very inspiring

[hot onyx]

Wait until you see my doomfist

Ask Uvalo

[balmy wolf]

i am at my peak

[hot onyx]

Ok time to dream about Fusion winning a 5th 2nd place trophy

[north relic]

rank check

[balmy wolf]

plat

[hot onyx]

No way I’m the same rank as this schmuck

[balmy wolf]

ow is my first fps tho

[hot onyx]

No offence

[north relic]

im pretty sure my first fps was some roblox game

and then overwatch

[balmy wolf]

Ur silver

[balmy wolf]

ive played pf before overwatch

[hot onyx]

My first fps was Minecraft Quake

[balmy wolf]

but i was trash

[hot onyx]

Silver dps, I am a plat main support

[balmy wolf]

main supportz

?

i play main tank

[north relic]

i play flex support i have ran away from the main tank role

[willow tartan]

cod black ops for me

[hot onyx]

What is funny, funny man?

[balmy wolf]

Nthg nthg

[hot onyx]

🤨📉

Would you look at that

Atlanta stocks dropped massively ever since they downgraded half of their roster

Zad

[next mesa]

they do got venom tho 🥵 🥵

[balmy wolf]

Upgraded*

[hot onyx]

Oh shit yeah Nero > Pelican

My bad I forgor

[balmy wolf]

no

[balmy wolf]

Only downgrade

[willow tartan]

sigh

shock fans always down on nero

classic

nero >>> pelican't any year of the day

[balmy wolf]

who got roty

[willow tartan]

who didnt get rolestar

[balmy wolf]

Nero

idk

[willow tartan]

no

fleta

[hot onyx]

Oh yeah some random kid from NA Contenders whose biggest opponent was some bottom tier runaway washup > Iris

[balmy wolf]

L

[willow tartan]

fkn sparkle over him

crazy

kevster too

unbelivabel

[hot onyx]

Fleta got MVP

No more role star

[balmy wolf]

He bodied iris in contenders but aight

[hot onyx]

And Iris improved and became top 5

[willow tartan]

god and thats not even to mention space getting a rolestar over some players in 21

[balmy wolf]

And UV got even better

To get roty next year

[willow tartan]

UV is not getting roty next year

[hot onyx]

Bodying easy competition = getting better than top 5

[willow tartan]

youre out of your mind

[balmy wolf]

He is

[hot onyx]

Very true

[balmy wolf]

proper will

[north relic]

backline both got downgraded

[hot onyx]

OJEEs biggest opponent was FiXa

[balmy wolf]

L take

[willow tartan]

how is UV gonna get rookie of the year when he isn't even the best rookie at his role

[hot onyx]

How can you be high on someone that can barely diff fucking FiXa?

[balmy wolf]

Oh lord have mercy

[next mesa]

UV is gonna be cracked

[willow tartan]

not ROTY level

[next mesa]

UV and Ojee are so good

trust the process

[plush grail]

they are gonna be shit

[next mesa]

they replace iris and masaa easily

[willow tartan]

may i remind you that they nearly lost against the british hurricane

[hot onyx]

NA Hurricane Moment

[willow tartan]

and from what we saw from london

[next mesa]

kaan also lost against british hurricane

that showmatch has no value

[willow tartan]

yeah is kaan roty level

no

what makes it any different

[balmy wolf]

Ily

[hot onyx]

With inferior coaching + a lower level team

[next mesa]

not to mention they improved

[plush grail]

kaan isn't a rookie

dumbass

[willow tartan]

???

[next mesa]

while bh regressed

[next mesa]

they are just dumb

they dont watch UV

[balmy wolf]

Fr

Istg

[next mesa]

he's the real deal

[hot onyx]

Yeah AT did real good in the weaker region

[balmy wolf]

Ur fusion fan

[willow tartan]

you're literally ignoring the fact that mid tier KR contenders players went over to NA and immediately became second

[hot onyx]

They’d wouldn’t even be top 3 in all combined contenders regions

[willow tartan]

NA contenders is a weak region

big fish in small pond

[next mesa]

NA is a weak region

AT was just built differently though

[willow tartan]

so was hurricane

[next mesa]

wrong

hurricane was shakey

[balmy wolf]

U said the same thing about iris last year

[willow tartan]

fym

[earnest leaf]

Eu is a worse region

[balmy wolf]

Y’all don’t learn

[hot onyx]

If they barely beat low tier kr contenders players how are they going to fare against actual competition

[next mesa]

they literally didnt even win the most recent title before gauntlet

[next mesa]

? they easily crushed them

not to mention ua isnt even bad

they would be mid tier in kr contenders

[hot onyx]

They lost to them twice and were taken to map 5 multiple times

[earnest leaf]

Basically we'll have to see how the at people do

From what I have seen they all have really good raw mechanics

[hot onyx]

Uprising Academy would not even be top 5 in KR Tendies

[willow tartan]

no unter no win

[earnest leaf]

Ojee is a good ms but also can play fs which helps

[willow tartan]

UV will not get roty

that's just outrageous

[hot onyx]

O2 Talon and T1 easily stomp them like little bronze babies that are having their first experience holding a video game controller

CC is barely a challenge

[north relic]

when does the last time a tank player won MVP or ROTY

never right

this is so sad

and depressing

[willow tartan]

2017

[earnest leaf]

Comparing two regions that run completely different metas is braindead

[hot onyx]

And BM Hawk has the edge with at least half of their team, as well as not being as bad with certain roles

[willow tartan]

yeah in reality we have no fucking idea though cause new game + contenders is less useful than my therapist

[earnest leaf]

True

[willow tartan]

but its fun to talk about how wrong marbel is

because he is

[earnest leaf]

Imo, at players have really good mechanics

I think that will translate well so long as they don't mental boom

[hot onyx]

a team of mid at best kr contenders in the top 2 best na Contenders definitely means the regions are equal

[willow tartan]

dont worry atlanta is known for their unbreakable mental :)

[hot onyx]

Redbirds, not AT, Lukemino >> OJEE

[next mesa]

That's when I know you dont watch any matches or you have no brain

Ojee is easily better than Lukemino

[hot onyx]

Oh yeah Levy fell for the bait get the popcorn

[willow tartan]

really? took you this long?

[next mesa]

UV played with them both and told OWL teams that he wants to play with Ojee and you have to sign them as a duo

[hot onyx]

🍿🍿🍿

[willow tartan]

wow so he hates lukemino

so toxic

[hot onyx]

🥤🥤🥤

This shit is better than Justice League

OJEE dumped on a ton of weak shitters and got praised for it

Guess who else did the same thing

Kellex

[next mesa]

i mean

[hot onyx]

Also Reign coaching is non existent now

[next mesa]

london's support line was the obvious weak link on the BH roster

[hot onyx]

Look

You want me to say something pro-AT for once?

Reiner is pretty sweet

Flexible and good at all mt’s

[willow tartan]

AT wins by the force of playing good comps

and playing bad comps...

[hot onyx]

Plus the fact that he has Unter gives me faith in his peak capabilities

Well, Unter and a top tier support line with Kevster

As long as Ans doesn’t cry and move to Valorant again all Reiner has to do is respect the competition he’s up against instead of going Hadi mode

Also before I sleep Aspire > Hydron

Goodnight 🍞

[north relic]

where is unter rn

[hot onyx]

Australia probably

[north relic]

i meant what team

[hot onyx]

Gladiators

[north relic]

i already know where he lives

[hot onyx]

With Face and Boss

[next mesa]

The only problem I can see AT players having is having huge egos

[hot onyx]

Hydron’s ego will be the death of him

Especially since he’s like mid at best on an OWL level

Anyway sleep

Bye

[willow tartan]

fits right in with the atlanta brand wym

[plush grail]

finally sans is gone

[north relic]

finally sans is gone

[worn falcon]

Sad Luigi is here

One for others i guess

[sullen berry]

finally sans is gone

[noble nexus]

finally sans is gone

[next mesa]

Finally sans gone

[north relic]

Daily hopium injection

[worn falcon]

plot twist is a cheez it commercial

or more breadsticks

[vagrant jacinth]

Please be some real news I beg

[north relic]

coming soon™️

[vagrant jacinth]

Announcement of an announcement

[next mesa]

literally avast

he has no brain

https://twitter.com/valesports_na/status/1491200192603111424

VALORANT Champions Tour NA (@valesports_na)

Our amazing lineup of Stage 1 #VCTChallengersNA Main Event talent is finally here!

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Twitter · Feb 9, 2022, 12:00 AM

Bren and Sideshows

https://twitter.com/UberShouts/status/1491202374912077824

Mitch Leslie (@UberShouts)

@valesports_na Excellent, this should light a fire under some asses

Twitter · Feb 9, 2022, 12:08 AM

[north relic]

:(