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i think u can kinda blame the backline for that
but it also felt like justice as a whole
were either rlly good
or super mid
Assassin had pretty high highs, and the most dogshit of lows
memp
fight me
I literally complimented 2021 Paris
dont care
Fr? Which season
Why didn't he pick them up
They pick him up*
Feather flora ivy looked like a super good DPS rotation pre season
Like no preference on any of them
But then feathers sombra and echo just wasn't pounding
He was battling irl issues so understandable
Sadge
He was forced on Sombra
His Tracer was much better
His Echo also actually did pretty okay
wasnt great
also him and flora was sharing the sombra role
he wasn't forced on sombra
he was literally sombra player
Best season out of 1 and a half
crazy 😱
punk isnt bad hes high B
but faith is easily A tier
Punks best seasons doesnt make him top tier
He's still pretty average
good average
does his job
he's just not an ELITE ALL STAR
And faith is probably a top 5 top 10 MS
this season he probably isnt top 5 yeah
i remember the rumors that shock offered 300k for kaan
what
Shock also wanted to trade Viol2t and Rascal for KariV
That was debunked by super
Yeah lol
When skewed Fastro Nisha Yveltal leejaegon fdgod masaa jecse exist I think faith is below all those definitely not top 5 but top ten possible for sure
is skewed top tier on heroes that arent brig
Out of all the mid team main supports Joobi Ansoonjae Closer Faith Slime Dridro Faith was easily the best of the bunch
moth 
Moth falling off the planet after some of the best mercy play in ow ever

I miss moth
What happened to moth
He’s just gone
Hasn’t posted lft, Florida said they wanted to trial him but it didn’t work out, nobody’s signed him, no retirement post
He’s just gone
He says they trialed every main sup on the market in any region except for moth
shock also bid on daan
y
Because Mano was unavailable
levy do u have a gf
yes
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daan is better
lol
Every other main tank > Daan > Mano ball
Np
Just the way the official rankings work I don’t make the rules
sans
no lol
in S3
unironically was good
and a week later he just absorbed ameng
like he bodied ameng and chengdu as a whole so hard
Barely beat Hunters in a map 5 special in the season 3 play ins
Although with IMT as your head coach there is only so much you can do
sbb libero haksal nenne dps lineup
still shit
fuck IMT
actually dogshit coach
how can you fail
with libero and haksal
^^^
during a genji meta
honestly overrated dps line
during genji meta yes
genji tracer was meta, he had haksal and sbb
Don’t forget WhoRU
blocked
it really wasn't
But Mano went from IMT coaching with a Anamo-JJonak backline to NineK coaching and a FunnyAstro-Alarm backline and still showed no improvement
his ashe does not compete with the rest of apac
it was decent
and its impressive that he picked it up
he had to play her because nenne was SO washed
it was because sbb had to play hitscan and libero had to widow at one point
he did get benched for libero hs
i remember on busan
yea
so sad
libero widow was decent
and nyxl they had 3 flex dps
I remember Libero getting a double headshot on Gibraltar and losing the next fight
And the Lib Brig
nyxl had libero haksal and whoru
and they didnt get another hitscan dps
kinda wierd
in other words they had anamo who was washed, mano who couldnt do anything and bianca/hotba that tankline looked bad
And mandu
anamo wasent washed
its not really a surprise that they did mediocre
anamo was starting to be washed last season already
jjonak had some no brain moments too
like on paper
thats just the way he plays
wow its stacked
but if you think about it
its not that big of a surprise
third or fourth APAC
yeah an out of date playstyle
he was still good
just not very good
also libero survived nyxl still bieng s tier
i think everyone else degraded
with time
Mandu stayed trash
Mandu was on O2
libero was s tier
not when they were like super good though
With Proper Pelican Cr0ng and Myunbong
Guard?
sparkle xzi doha hanbin
No Guard 0/10
Wtf
im pretty sure mandu wasnt even playing
Mee6 is aztac
That roster has the entire range of players
I swear I saw a Mandu Myunbong backline
From pelican to ttuba
but then myunbong got sent to this thing called boston
wtf
and it all went downhill
they got like 15 players
unironically i think if myunbong had been on fusion or something things would've turned out different for him
no i mean like if alarm was on another team
Who tf is V1LLAINY0?
or if myunbong was on a similar team of strength as alarm
is myunbong top 5?
like myunbong and alarm could have been rivals
i thought he was only good on a bad team
but myunbong got sent to boston
he was good on a bad team
Don’t slander Boston, a Jerry Munchkin Chex ||👮♀️👮♀️|| Brussen Axxiom Fusions Halo and Swimmer squad looked perfect for Myunbong to join
sad that myunbong killed his career
i forgot about swimmer
Mikey and Punk joined later in the season
I was listing the team that Myunbong would see himself playing with
Oh yeah
Imagine being one of the best off tank prospects of kr contenders and being benched for some aussie boi
imagine working hard in contenders just to sign with boston
does anyone have the gif of striker going go go go on the player cam
obviously
no way faith is below JECSE or FDGOD from last season LMAO
and He was also deffo better than masaa
The length of the season makes it so hard to even rate anyone 16 games is like nothing
Especially when there's no balance changes at all 
I mean I also think players like masaa we're one of the best in one type of comp but mid af in other comps so it's hard to compare him to other supports
Same with skewed
Like in Atlanta's comp style masaa is really really good but in a heavy dive team he'd be mid af
own role
masaa is good
Just not better than faith lolz
Fair, I can't really say I paid enough attention to the main support gameplay in Boston games to judge too much lmao
I wonder how Boston will do with striker
And now that punk is the captain 🤴
Didn't everyone say Crimzo was a silent carry on Houston
nah
I just never paid attention to him lmao
Striker will be the new yaki
stopo
nah
i dont agree with the people saying he was like S tier
Kaan vs Gnj gogogo
but he was pretty good
kaan
iza shu twilight alarm iris viol2t kaan gangnamjin creative jjonak mmonk farway were all better
kaan= 🐐
i mean
kaan is korean viol2t
yeah
also coldest will be good next year
he was at one point the consensus #1 chinese flex support
- nohill = unwashed antidote
ez
coldest is good yeah
facts
People held so much hopium with kariv saying charge coaching was issue but he was still so badd
kariv is inconsistent as fuck thats why
he could be top 3 then bottom 5
One genji meta made people forget that Toronto roster was bottom in almost every roster slot

umm
fuck that shock guy
no u idiot
toronto actually has the least fans
fuck i actually forgot
lmao same
The full rebuild
MANGACHU
That they are doing again
Why tf did they rebuild around Logix LOL
I WISH LIBERO STAYED IN OWL
they had 2 top 5 flex dps and no good hitscan
Mmm 😭
Shame
Thing is even though I liked the roster I still think profits is better than any combo they could run with it lmao
yeah they still would've lost to seoul
Even with a good hitscan I think profits would beat haksal, whoru, libero, (good hitscan) lineup
When random kalios guy outperforms the last like 3 off tanks
this season seoul tho
Kalios literally better than Bianca hotba nenne loll
Hotba came back to relevance by carrying philly since the dps were having a shock moment

imagine bieng a hitscan player switching to zarya being top 3 in that then next season you forget how to play hitscan
nene lmao
I think s3 nyxl copium and s2 titans copium are more about the fan love for the players on those teams than like the actual skill of the teams

these temas just had to atleast stay the same not get worse
Florida and Vancouver, the na wildcards I am so hypiumed for
I wanna see how bad or good Florida is
They give me big s4 London vibes lmao
disapointing?
Hadi Poko tankline will be legendary I have hope for that too lmao
actually wait
Hydron is shax, mirror is blase, sirmajed is Ripa, checkmate is hybrid,
The comparison fits 😤
But no I think they could be s4 Houston tier or bottom 3
but will they be good tho???
hadi with a real team will be gamer
he has to be
or else the whole of european contenders becomes meaningless
he holds the faith of the whole region on him
If 2021 spitfire was a fluke then they need to prove it now.
If not well, that's just depressing that we'll move to all Korean teams in 2023
Hydron vs Proper vs Whatever eu hyped up dude is there 💀
sparkr
uhhh
Paris got glister and London kept sparkr
So no

Ok ok the rookie hype battle 💀
Proper vs Patiphan vs Hydron
Those may be the hypest but I'm more interested in how mag and muze perform tbh
see if they can each reach their actual potentials
that was last season memeicus
yeah and mag didn't have a team to play
would you say justice have upgraded
vigilante is so fucking good
Did Atlanta downgrade
Atlanta's new roster is so sexy I love it

Gator Hawk Kai Nero Venom Ojee Ultraviolet 😤
sexy af
losing pelican
huge L
however they did their damn best to make up for it with like seperate pieces
Proper
Patiphan overhyped
Hydron on a pretty shit team
iirc hydron is supposed to be the best na hitscan
better than aspire even
so we'll have to see how it plays out
isnt proper just pelican 2.0
Proper was rated higher when they were playing together
well the second version is most of the time better than the first
yes
i suppose proper was rated a bit higher but they were known as the dps duo that kept their team relevant
kinda like profits
propelican 🥴
Imagine a dps line of proper/leave
indeed would be pretty perhaps decent
What is nyxls current line up?
fusion fans you guys would rather get clestyn than fury right
I said maybe
you forgot flora
hi
REAL ANS?????????
Very real
omg real ans
Holy shit it’s ans
you know those badges that the mods have next to their name?
can we get one for each owl team plz
Similar to the r/cow discord server? (Competitive Overwatch)
YEAH YOU IDIOT
I'm going to cry
Would be cool
based #2
need to petition empathy
just bully him till he does the thing
He's a man of the people
nah fuck empathy
I would never disgrace my genitals to that extent
Damb, what's with this empathy slander
It's not new years where he is
the toxicity will probably fade away once it's a thing of the past
no way empathy adds 20 badges for a chat that has like 20 people
only like 50% of the badges would be used
we dont have any london fans or chengdu fans here
do we even need badges
we know sans is a philly degenerate
and levy is a seoul simp
pretty sure there is atleast one London fan here
like 90% sure someone here is a London fan
who
im pretty sure someone like kenobi or michael might claim they like them
but like not as their #1 favorite team
@vagrant jacinth are you the London fan??
I swear one of the other chimps is a london fan
he's shock/fusion
bruh
become the london fan
Yes I'm the London fan 😎
no
SparkR is a national icon, and I support him being the closest player I've played against since Ameng
shut up aussie
did someone from 2021 say something
how the FUCK did you end up playing against ameng
That's crazy
yeah I was in their pro pugs back in 2019
and I told him I play a lot of wrecking ball, not knowing he was going to run WB all game
Him jinmu and Elsa
with me Kyo and I think Yveltal, can't remember but I had one other Hunters player
pathetic
im pretty sure daan lives like 45 minutes from my house
you play pugs with your favorite players
i look at them through their window
we are not the same
@plush grail brainlet
who
im ian
Hi “pretty sure daan lives like 45 minutes from my house” I’m Sans
kinda weird tbh.
doesn't do that for his gf smh
loads of teams don't match up due to divisions
i have enough pics of her
Well they used to not be
most bottom tier teams haven't face teams in other regions for a while
LA Valiant vs San Francisco shock this year
LA Valiant vs Boston Uprising
LA Valiant vs London Spitfire
Year doesn’t matter in this case
LA Valiant vs Vancouver Titans, and so on
well that's because season 2 had everyone play against each other at least once
Oh really?
so there's at least one match between everyone
Damn I didn’t know that. That’s interesting
In 2019 Season 2 all 20 teams played 28 matches from California
season 3 is where we started seeing "home games" format, so you have lots of teams who haven't played each other since season 2
I wish divisions weren't a thing
I miss like random matchups in the regular season
Like Boston vs Dragons
Guangzhou v Titans 
the most mid teams in both regions must fight to see who is the most mid
best match ever
Nero: "hang in there"
and proceeds to spam the voice line in front of fissure and jehong
all while knowing something about the incoming implosion
Yeah I prefer having one division too but it's understandable
But if one of them wins
Are they still mid
Yes
Paris gets the most mid award
easily
isnt the winner better than mid if they beat mid
weird way to Spell boston
Victoria is like
mid for OWL standards
hes p good but hitscan is stupid stacked
Also yall still god midzo midcd mid1 and punk whos also only averafe
and u could argue that valentine is mid too
like besides striker and faith nobody there is definitely upper half
I come from the future and the future says Seoul is pog.
im new to OWL and want to get into it. how do i pick a team?? I love Stylosa, so tempted to root for London
If you have any players you like to watch that’s how I picked my teams
Or you can pick the closest team to where you live
Really you can pick it based off anything
you want to pick paris
great ideas! does the team roster change each season? wondering if that gets announced closer to when the season starts
team rosters typically announce individual roster pickups releases during the offseason, which is going on right now, with the only exception being NYXL that does a full roster announcement towards the beginning of the season
all of the roster changes will be in #esports-news if you wanna see who's been picked up by what team
or you could check the liquipedia pages of whatever team you're interested in
Oh perfect, thank you:)
what happened to jack
🥺
😔
wait we just got a london fan?
stylosa fan?
i mean we just talked about how we dont have a london fan
i thought he was trolling
what does stylosa have to do with the london spitfire
didnt he say rank doesnt mater
how does that have anything to do with the overwatch league
is he from london or smth
he might be a london fan
He’s English and a London fan
Plus he does some stuff for them
idk maybe he makes sure all the players are british enough
probably
yes pplz
is that sarcasm
Yes, follow London and double our numbers in the server
I never joke about london
Yes
What's wrong with sty??
Nothing Ig carry on lol
I didn't think he was with London anymore
Thought that ended when we shifted away from the Korean roster
none of the non-korean players were british
so they still needed the british consultant
all London players must pass a british history test before they're signed
That's why they suck as a team
We'll win the ow2 inaugural season, just you watch
florida goes 0-40 ow2 inaugural season
I have a gf
Paris asked
They did
They sent me a DM
The birds man
Not an official Paris fan
Happy new year bitches
Luigi forward in time
almost time to start up the shanghai 2022 hype train
Flora flora tank line 🐐
Hadi poko gonna stomp the other tanklines 😤
hadi solo tank will be amazing
fr tho
Hadi ball 
Dogshit tank hadi
Thank god someone said it
still better than daan
Probably true
surely we get some ow news in new years right> hopium
That was a respectable take until I saw the second half
Hush paris fan
Hadi and Daan both get cumpstered and dumpstered by their na and apac counterparts but whatever keeps people on the hopium
"guys Hadi will be good this time for real"
do people actually believe hadi will be good
Happy New Years
Same
Happy New years
I've seen a bunch here say "now that he has a real backline"
But he's literally shit
i thought all that was trolling
hadi will be good = hadi will be better than daan
Ripa Kellex bought his true potential down
Happy New Years losers
im not trolling
"He hits those on LAN"
eu has very bad internet
Daan sucked ass but Paris being better than London made people delusional
Daan isn't the worst imo
He's not amazing but I'd argue not bottom 5 Main Tank
Next year is up for grabs tho
He's not bottom 5 mt?
based
idk put yakpung there
I suppose
Tbh most of apac main tanks besides guxue Fate sucked ass lowkey
I don't really think so
Those are debatable
He did pretty well at times
He's stand1 tier at best imo
Bottom 5 is definitely super, Smurf, Gator, Fearless, and Fate
Overrated because Paris did better than London 😤
Silver3, Rio, Yakpung, ChangSik, and Hadi
Why did I say oge
oge threw 3/4 of season away
Absolutely
o i forgot about changsik
ChangSik could've probably done better not on ping and with a better team
bottom 5 oge sivler3 ameng rio changsik
yakpung is spared
Yeah I agree
It's Feelsbadman because his career is probably over because of that
Maybe he's going to Fusion?
He was on Fusion University
id be suprised
I would too
muze toronto
Wait did he
yea
Jjangu
please jjangu find job 🙏
Probably Fusion
100% mid this year
toronto is cursed sadly
Does nvm count?
whomegalul
Mt fa from last season are like
Dreamer
Jjanggu
Sado
Ameng
Stand1
Changsik
Jihun
Also technically the valiant mts but…
Yeah probs one of these
Jjanggu would be good on philly tho
perhaps
With aimgod now
PROBABLY
As their fs
And at best they get sanguinar
Who's pretty goos
aimgod goated
HAPPY NEW YEAR
You say that as if Fusion aren’t going to shoot themselves in the foot and sign Belosrea from T1
Dafran soldier unranked to gm was so fun compared to kabaji but kabaji is still fun to watch but love dafran
Dafran best player
such a pure soul
Convinced that Suraj guy only appears once a week to suck off Dafran and Kabaji unprompted
pov: u have never touched a female
Dafran alt account
biggest ow incel

is decay gonna bench himself cause his team isn't celebrating new years properly
guys flats' dad just passed away please send prayers 🙏
Damn, prayers up
f
f
Damn
Glads>>>>Shanghai
Can’t say I agree but they’re pretty good
They’re decent
Shanghai >>
Seoul Dynasty>>>
Los Angeles Valiant >>>>
seoul dynasty supremacy
Chengdu >
Unironically quote me on this LAV number 2 apac 😤
Apac will be shanghai spanking everyone once more
and then like chengdu/seoul occasionally doing well or going to a tourney
shanghai spanking everyone once more is going to be all of overwatch league season 5 
if they get ball/sombra meta again probably
If anything else is meta they won't gap teams as hard
But I'm expecting them to still be on top
That's what I'd like to think, but I'd say that there's also the chance that the meta heavily favours another top team.
just like how anything that allows fearless to be on monkey/shy on echo
What I want to see is how good proper tracer is
Like seem him go vs striker/lip/leave tracers
and kevster
I doubt any rookie player is gonna be immediately S tier on anything, a repeat of pelican seems unlikely even though they're cut from the same cloth
I have hope because Ninek/Crusty coaching
Last time crusty got his hands on a mechanically gifted rookie dps we got ans
My initial logical reaction to that is that it's outlandish.
The second coming of Ans probably won't happen ever again.
In terms of raw hitscan chadness, won't happen again from a rookie
Yeah I have no idea who possessed ans in the 2020 season
What sort of creature or deity of clicking heads decided to inhabit this korean boy.
Sandpaper diff
does sandpapering the mousepad do the same effect?
I think the sandpaper made it more rigid
So he could do small adjustments better, but idk
stylistic choice
most people i would imagine prefer lighter mice so movements are more precise and they can make those movements more efficiently
but heavier mice gives you more control because you cant accidentally jerk your crosshair away
its like high sens vs low sens
low sens light mouse or high sens heavy mouse
sandpaper mouse feet essentially does the same thing as a heavier mouse cause more force to move it
Yo who the fuck asked, just give me some Paris news
fight me irl
okay bottom
Proper will be S tier at least
Why do you thi k he's hype bruh
Because we know he's pelican lvl
??
;)
😬
imp
dimp
shock didn't get theirs for a while either
it'll probably be released a month or so before the season starts
I'll save mine for this year's Seoul dynasty championship skin
Half of Seoul roster + 3 masters >paris
1 sec
lemme google the seoul roster so i can make fun of them
because they're all unknowns
actually shut the fuck up
you are smoking crack if you think jjonak > kaan
Jjonak and Kaan are the only comparable members on a role between seoul and paris
seoul is way better
pussy
i will chug a bottle of vodka is seoul becomes champions
paris and seoul have equal shots of becoming OWL champions
which is to say they both have 0 percent chance because shanghai is gonna win 
youve sent that image like 7 times now i dont understand
there like some subliminal messaging or something
just reminding you that you are insane
Says the one with a bunch of European contender nobodies
While we have s1 champ S2 champ s3 champ Korean contenders champ
Poggers
took you a good 10 minutes to come up with that one dumbass
ur brttitish
ian may be bad but at least he isn't NTB
at least im not u
Half of their wins were against london titans
Yeah
Now they're not gonna beat titans
Bottom 3 NA
fr
they can get some wins off of NA paris
(florida)
if those guys turn out to be doo doo
levy
Yea
not sure who else they would win against honestly
u
no im gamer
Justice could fail, but besides them…
Why would the Justice fail
and also if youre talking about teams just randomly imploding then the list becomes much bigger than just the justice
Boston #1 NA
Coaching, opener, assassin and happy are both super inconsistent, decay could have issues again. Who knows
It’s not that likely but still

HOPIUM
shock neveer will implode
shock makes it into grand finals against london and wins giving them the 3peat they needed
just like last year

