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if you're a specialiser
you better be top tier on them
like ans
cant play anything but hard hitscan
Leave/Pelican/Fleta are definetly better but I would take nero echo over sparkle
Echo yes, generally no
and only being B+ tier on them
ans can carry like 70 percent of fights on hitscan hes good at
Ans is a very big outlier in terms of specialization imo
Considering he's probably the best Widow/Ashe/Cree player in the game
im just saying like
if you want to be a specializer
on a team
you should be top tier
or else you dont provide that much value
its like whoru on dragons if a genji doom meta comes and he's not pounding
then he do be useless
Whoru goated on genji
facts!
Sparkle wasn't top tier besides a couple heroes and did plenty during the year
he was goated
still is
nah sparkle was particularly great on a lot of heroes
like for me he is fifth best echo
danteh isnt even like top 10 tracer probably
Whoru has won apex contenders and owl 🐐🐐
goated
most achieved player
the grind never stops baby
tbf half the top tracers are gonna be in apac
i suppose
Basically all i'm saying is danteh is good enough on certain heroes to perform pretty well next year
id take apr1ta over danteh as well
No he isn't a gigachad S tier flex dps that will gap everyone
he'll play definitely
But he isn't some rando mid shitter that's gonna get gapped by bottom teams
but he would be better for outlaws
it would be better for outlaws*
if the meta was pelican/some shit that their other dps is also really good at
- we get some new heroes so maybe Danteh chads out
idk why people talking down Danteh
if we were to get a new hero it would be sojourn
he been solid af
thats always a possibility
which is hitscan iirc
dude, on NA sure it is
Because all you guys are comparing Danteh with the S tier players
which isnt his thing
danteh is gonna get hard gapped by proper
and kevster
also to win the ring
u also gotta gap the APAC boys too
Its like comparing Danteh Tracer with Striker.
Imo he doesn't have to gap people
Do what sparkle did, just match and mitigate other tracers
exactly its not comparable despite being the only 2 good heroes that he plays
Make it so they can't take over
dude
He need to do the work and help team
doesnt need to be a madman
can gap proper
even
i mean not gap
mitigate
proper is immitigatable
its what
fuck whats his name
leave?
but what about consistency
did like a decent job
heesang will be cracked btw
my man is like 16
he was matching proper on some occasions
but at one point proper just takes over
he's just TOO GOOD
also dude
apr1ta has that clutch gene
im just fuckin rambling
im gonna go shovel some snow
c u nerds
Sparkle is a Genji/DF two trick, but trying to do work on Tracer and Echo was decent enough for the team not being a shit tier team.
how did you go from dallas to shit tier team
isnt dallas top 3 na
yea sparkle is top tier
he is top tier on 2-3 heroes but his other heroes are also very good
Sparkle was a 2 trick pretty much
What makes sparkle really solid is his consistency
He was able to jump on other heroes and put out a solid performance
exactly, but like not S tier Tracer/Echo or even Mei
adaptibility
God that Mei hurts me so much
But then he practiced with heroes who he isnt very comfortable to pull
He showed us he was more than a 3 trick you know
But on the other hand danteh is like a 3 trick who's not top tier on them, and he can't play anything else
Danteh is pretty much a flex player, he was earlier a Genji player lmao
not a good one
but neither a bad one
You do not know what mid is
danteh is mid
out of all the fdps in the league next season danteh is pretty mid
False
true
whos rumored for outlaws again?
i doubt his genjis is even mid
ezhan
team cc hitscan
individually team cc had very good indivudal players
damn. ezhan huh.
im pretty high on him
i think mer1t or diem
would've been better
but certainly not mad
literally where is diem
if you mad a list of all the flex dps and ranked them best to worst overall dantehs name would be in the middle
from 2021?
nah coming into this 2022 season
what even are all the fdps for 2022
I mean rn you can make a pretty accurate speculative tier list of fdps coming into the next season
and danteh would be hella mid
the midest of mid
Solid A tier
on 2 heroes
two of the most important heroes 
man doesn't need to play 17 heroes
For most of next year I asssume he'll have to play tracer/sombra
its basically a requirement for every dps player in the league to have a decent tracer
hes b tier on 15 heros and a tier on 2 and you say hes a tier overall?
Might have to run echo or mei some other times but we'll have to see what's meta
Ans is not S tier because he is only S tier at 3 heroes
good logic
Dps players don't have to play every hero, they only need to play what their team will require of them to run
Same for every role
You don't rate viol2t low because he doesn't play ana,
marve1 best tank in ow2 
Or you don't rate fearless low because his orisa is mid and his ball is okay
If you wanna rate dps players on their ability to play every hero you can do that, but it just isn't realistic or meaningful
i dont think any dps can even play all the heroes to a high level
besides, there's no point in learning more than you need to
you thin yourself too much and you get viol2t main support 
It's why super gets rated highly, his rein/orisa are really good, but never had to play winston/ball
i said overall
overall so you should take into account their dps partner and rotation
because that will reflect their performance on the server
Because he generally is only running a few heroes, not half of them
who would you say is overall A/S tier on every DPS hero then? i really can't think of one person
Probably only leave
Leave only plays like 8 heroes i thought?
Paris
simply the wrong opinion
idk no ones like that but i gues profit
but its a fact
also compared to other people danteh is mid
i
Sparkle not a good flex?
real
danteh is the Definition of a mid fdps imo
hes like 9th? In NA
yes
pelican proper sp9rk1e kevster naga altough nero assassin are the ones id take over him in a hearthbeat
and s9mm valentine are debatable
altough id favor valentine
imagine assassin over danteh
assassin legit diffed him on one of the 2 heros hes A tier on lol
and is better on everything not named tracer
even if you want a tracer player there are like 7 others id take over danteh
yeah
Paris
no more paris
Yeah true but I think his ball is still good and I feel like Reiner fits the glads mentality a little more
happy that muze might be able to reach his peak potential
dunno what it was about glads that made him noticably uncomfortable
I think it was just because he wasn’t so comfortable on rein so they had to avoid playing what could have potentially been their best meta
KDG will whip him into shape
Hopefully
Muze is hella consistent so even if he doesn’t have some insane level up he’s gonna be a top MT
He’s not gonna be worse
His support line might be just as good as the glads support line last season
with the defiant you're really just worried about their dps rotation
that's what's gonna make or break that team
Yeah Finale is odd
whether they can effectively cover the meta
But although and heesu are both decent
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He said he doesn't like Shanghai Dragons anymore because all they do is win the Overwatch regular season
oh ok
everyone join marbel's discord server its in his bio
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probably
its in his bio so no problem
we are going to get more people into ED
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spread propraganda
marbel 6'2 fake
bro youre fuckin dumb
thats 6 point 135 feet
not 6 feet 1 inch
1 foot = 12 inch so .135 foot = 1.6 inches
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other one was fake
what the hell goin on here
marbel so tall that his brain lacks the oxygen to make good takes
i hope shock wins next championship
and charge go to playoffs
and i want the shock to to get revenge on shanghai
I follow ans
spoken like a true ed shitposter
I hope grand finals is Vancouver vs Florida
me too
Nah
No, then it’s a Mickey Mouse year

No matter what Atlanta do it's always a Mickey mouse
I love that making it to the grand finals wasn't enough for people to rate them higher than above average last season
"well guys if Dallas played good they easily would've won you know" 
Atlanta were best team in the regular season ss onwards
Like blame it on meta all you want but they literally couldn't have scrimmed any ball teams regardless because they were in na so faulting them for being best in na is silly
Like everyone was mad they made grand finals but Dallas literally would have been like 4-1 instead of 4-0 lmao
well i always said that if it wasnt dallas going against dragons the opponent is getting swept
Yeah Dallas was better at the meta but Atlanta was just better
Nah chengdu can hold up against dragons
Not win
only peak dallas could contend with dragons and have a realistic shot at winning
no
4-0
if dallas was not in shape to even make the finals no one stood a chance
Chengdu and Dallas can win 1-2 games at best nobody else really wins a series in that scenario
Chengdu was better than Dallas second half of season
I think LAG even would've been dumpstered like Atlanta tbh
Yeah probs
they would've
any team
would've gotten swept
except dallas
Chengdu is the only team that could’ve gotten a map
but the dallas that we got
No
Funny thing is any meta except hard meicree rein I have Shanghai winning it wasn't even related to the ball
im saying peak wise realistically
They were just a step up
Yeah it's closer but the dps gap too strong
Chengdu and LAG had amazing support rosters 😍
People on the s3 gf hopium so hard thinking a team that was Houston tier all season would do much
chengdu wasn't better relatively
like they could never compete with dragons
at least dallas in peak did
and it was 4-2 and then 3-4
close
Yeah but at the point of grand finals and countdown cup chengdu was better
First half of season Dallas>chengdu
Second half chengdu>Dallas
Atlanta will do plenty fine so long as Ojee/UV are anything above mid tier
I don't think they'll win a stage though
Only teams that can win a stage will be basically the same as last year
Shanghai
Dallas
Shock
Seoul and seoul
Glads
when was shock even close
Maybe chengdu
Going into last year
Didn’t mean to hype up shock last year
They weren’t good
They were alright
glads series
Multiple times it came down to a single fight on a map
for them to go to hawaii
Actually they were about to 3-0 glads
but glads un-tilted and came back
choked
The most stacked rosters imo coming into this season are Shanghai LAG Toronto Seoul Dallas 🙏
Nah
dont forget paris 🙃
Yes but Toronto

Also next year for atlanta
imo they have a similar season to last year
go to hawaii a couple of times, maybe win a game or two, then lose out
I think unter is extremely underrated when it comes to Atlanta’s success
London/Paris
He got a lot of praise for their success
oh right
But no unter will make things interesting
3head moment
Shock got big name rookies and coach upgrades so I'm interested in seeing how they turn out
Glads with unter could be nasty
Glads imo will show how solid unter is
He has every piece to make a top team
Can he help face mold them into one though
Space has some nasty mechanics
After he came, they were Hella dominant
Gargoyle my beloved
which will be good for ow2 if he starts
what will be interesting is if gator and hawk can continue their success
or maybe they had a one year peak with unter coaching
Same goes for iris and masaa
nah I think iris is actually super nasty
just the raw shit he did from his pov was amazing
I cannot recall their games perfectly back then
Lost to florida when florida was good, lost to toronto 2-3, then rolled paris, and barely lost to shock 2-3
Rip good Florida
actually tragic what happened to that team
Went from beating chengdu to losing like 10 in a row
Imagine if they'd chosen pokpo, dreamer, or literally any other main tank rookie 😭
Like imagine if they'd chosen jjangu or muze or mag, hindsight 
imagine if they got fissure
Imagine if they kept fate hehe
I don't think that was possible
Shanghai probably gave him a fat bag and guaranteed wins
I mean yeah when the best team in the world offers you the starting spot and you're closer to home no way you turn it down
If Florida signed mag tho
Yaki+bqb instead of assassin+decay
And a good back line
Florida could have gotten a stage
But no
They signed oge
Who got benched by a bench warming flex dps player
To create the greatest rein montage known to man
Checkmate was the chipsa of rein 🙏
Living frag machine
Admittedly not hard in the Rein mirror
Gator, super, and Mag usually had no trouble in the Rein mirror with Fearless
Unpopular opinion: Hanbin made Fearless look good
Hanbin
Now that's a real monster
no im blaming yveltal for throwing because chengdu should not have lost to shock
Hanbin was easily the silent carry of dallas
Ngl Hanbin/Choi/Void were the best OTs of ow1
No OT players imo peaked as high as they all did on both sig and dva
Goat of ow1 is hard
Because if you include apex and pre owl shit, it gets kinda fuzzy
Just owl it's a bit easier
You know who's longevity doesn't get talked about though
super funnily enough
iirc he was actually decent pre-owl, and never was bad in owl
True
Peaked s2
Benched s3
But otherwise
Very solid performances all around the board
difference between rein meta and very little rein meta
His hog was a surprise
He was like top 2 hog and honestly that's because gesture got hard pocketed by creative that was the strat
Like individually they are pretty similar and gesture only got better stats because pocket
Anyways u know who's hog was underrated
Jjanu
Decay's performance overshadowed everyone else
If they have made it further he could've easily been best hog
no one remembers stitch legit matching ans on fucking ashe
aimgod/ark were both peaking as well
Ark was on mercy comfy pick
He was just vibing
Jjanu hog though sexy as fuck
Sadge
Fuck the titans
I think titans was just a case of upper management fucking everything
so the staff has to work with scraps
But they at least tried this year with a roster
Why did the Titans just release their whole roster back then?
How does he compare to merit?
A little worse rn but maybe higher peak
🤨
Got my regular back, marbels mental in tatters
yes
i think main supports will be signed later
they havent even played ow2
so they need to see
yeah i guess double flex is a safe option going into ow2
ow esports is kinda weird
players represent a country or city they're not even from
and outside their skill they're kinda nameless teenagers
unlike in real sports
yeah the only difference is their username not being their irl names lol
most sports are like that
not every football player on a team is from the city the team is based in
they only represent their countries during the world cup
exact same in OWL
imagine soccer players had playertags
Xx_Messi69_xX
except when your ign is your name
it'd sound cringe
casting ow
and having to say regular names
imagine the eqo rialto clutch
but instead of saying eqo they say josh corona
Choihyobin tho
jake
Talking about Mr. Hyobin
i dont know anyone who calls choisehwan choi i think dink is off the tree
He's on about Choihyobin
Dink has always been lil weird
yea
wym?
during games sometimes u have to shorten so they say choi on broadcast
i remb avrl saying it
important to remember that choisehwan and choihyobin have never played in the same match and never will so it doesn't really matter
yea no shot shock make a tourney
^^^
No chance Charge ever make a tourney ever again
least they won 2020 summer showdown
charge made as many tournies as shock last season
Shock won May Melee and Countdown Cup that year
And Grand Finals
cope
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shock has the trump card of two grand finals
not even 4 grand finals smh
to bad shock is rebuilding and wont have most of the championship experience
the shanghai dragons has a 100% map win record in grand finals compared to the shock's 80%
they are still technically starting over
shd got to face reign forcing rush vs dive tbf
so did shock 
they still have their coaching staff and they still have their best second best player
i think its sort of expected for them to at least make hawaii once right?
or well with NA competition more like
If the rookies live up to expectations, yes it will be expected
mhm
i dont see them being too dominant though
like actually i dont think NA will have one dominant team shitting on everyone else for 3/4ths of the year
Yea too many teams that could hang up top
Outlaws might
why outlaws?...
Pelican
out of all the teams you choose outlaws
will hard depend on the meta
why would it depend on meta?
i feel like all the top NA teams overlap in meta pretty heavily
Someone like dallas would thrive heavily in a winston based meta
Where a team like reign might do much better in an orisa or rein meta
oh well yeah i guess dallas is the outlier
Shock is the weird mixture
but that's just because his winston gaps everyone else in NA hard
they have a MT built for orisa/rein stuff, but the rest of the team is super strong at dive heroes
ah so they have an american MT and a korean team? 
proper will fuck on anything
it doesn't matter
give him a junk meta
he will dethrone jake 10 seconds into the game
I'd be worried if super was a rookie as well, but he's been doing this for years
prophardt vs chadmate
he'll be good to work with them all
honestly im not too concerned on whether super will perform or not
and shock is getting a team house too, so they won't be stashed away in seperate apartments
more worried about their new talent brought in and how well they integrate
With ninek back I think it will go decently
seperate apartments is sometimes good tbh
Proper will be good
a bit of personal space but you still commute to a practice facility
so it's like you're actually going to work
instead of like just being in a physical location the entire day
which might be bad for your mental
pros an dcons
s2 shock was a team house
Yea
pretty sure they do
i do know that molly and whoru werent on the location
I'm pretty sure most teams are going to try to go for team houses
Wasn't there a rumor that London was going to be in LA?
I mean they have to be
s3 shock was apartments
S3 shock was them having a fire close and pausing a match
okay either my monitor is shititng itself or i am shitting myself because i could see the refresh rate of my monitor, like the active refresh cycle
wasnt a real fire was it?
it was
you're saying it wasn't a real fire??
some building far away
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this one
yaes
ah that fire does look realistic
first image looks like it was made by a machine learning image generator AI
Arachne on shock, what a throwback

bro all i needed were monthly balance patches and they couldnt even do that 😭
pharmercy really annoying honestly
also roadhog every game kills me
ow2 will have map ban and hero bans watch 
i wont mind map but hero bans would annoy a lot of ppl
hero bans are just too restrictive atm with the current support/tank pool
yes
add hero bans for 1 hero per role so i can get double shield and soldier mercy out of my games
add hero bans so i can ban dva
No
roadhog soldier mercy would be my bans
understandable bans
only reason i dont ban hog is bc hes free sr when im not playing poorly
since i play dva
yeah but he's still annoying as hell
idc if i get smashed i just dont wanna play with or against a roadhog
Holy crap somebody needs to take thorin and montecristos phones away LOL he dug the biggest hole
Literally makes 10000 tweets instead of just taking the L
Tough news today.
Been suspecting it lately but went down get checked and had my fears confirmed. It turns out
I am esports
1623
casting a game you like seems like such a fun job
I envy Custa, he seems like such a happy person
what they say?
Thorin had a hot take on women's only tournaments and then went on this insane like 50 tweet cycle of reposting fans and shitting on woke sjw feminists etc etc and he said you can't kick me out of the eSports industry I am eSports lmao
Literally dug a massive hole for no reason
parental controls are for this reason
thorin is like mentally disabled
Hmm
Jayne invented Thorin?
Thorin IS eSports
The father the son and the Holy Spirit of esports
The father the son and the Holy Spirit of esports were Invented by Jayne
I do love all the casters but nothing beats bren and sideshow casting toilet bowl games
boston v houston in 2020
I do love all the casters but nothing beats bren and sideshow*
fixed that for u
Based Luigi
Honestly facts ngl
sideshow bren is #1 and #2
jake #3
sideshow bren is perfect balance between banter, serious and sexy
I hated Jake casting idk why
Caster Jake > Player Jake
I really like uber. If egg and bren are 1 and 2, he'd be 3
wait when did jake cast
Yeah, he castes the 2020 season
Bad
s3 is the worst season wdym bad
it's boring
all it does is tell the tale of how the dragons didn't suck anymore
the beginning of their s4 grand finals win starts in s3
also the tale of how boston and vancouver sucked dick
how shock was the best team in the world for the 2nd year in a row
dallas being good started in 2020 summer showdown
also pretty sure shanghai stopped sucking before s3
💪
Yeah lol
nah I'm just fucking around we all know that stage didn't matter because shock or titans didn't win it
they were the only 2 teams that played in s2
S2 probably is
d
memeicus is haunting me in my dreams
sounds hot just stop dreaming then
man
Luigi face reveal?
damn it's a good job no one here wants to see your face or toe
that's what I thought
I mean paris is the best team
based
idk who that other guy is so their opinion is worthless
he's a og you fucking sand chugging chump
I know who he is you chimp brain I was joking because he doesn't have regular
is your cranium really that thick?
Paris will be mediocre again next season
my cranium and ass are both DUMMY thick
no one asked
u did
has a point
Wait I thought the gif was you
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Yes.
PARIS
nyxl
is the best team
based
based
how the fuck are we supposed to know
i only see the future where the world ends
is paris 1 in that future
yes ofc
is that the only future where paris is 1
paris is #1 in every future
nice
but there's not a single future where you get any bitches

Toe pics? 👀
ask marbel
i love ur toes
the same future Paris wins
the universe implodes following a Paris grand finals victory
I could use therapy
same
:)
(:
tracer
and whoever is broken at the time
but definitely
tracer
tracer and new hero
tracer dont be meta challenge (impossible)
L
only L bozos lose regular
At least Marbel won't be so lonely now.
nah he's still lonely
I thought he was ian's right hand
ian loves his right hand
he loves me fr
L
Is OW2 out yet?
yea
Is it really? Where can I buy it?
comedy
Yeah that's what I thought hoe this game still isn't coming out and shambolic Blizzard are loss
Gottem lmao
Best player on every team:
Pelican
Punk
Leave
Hanbin
Yaki
idk Eileen or crong
Shy
Piggy
Shax
Shu
Molanran
JJoNak
Kaan
Alarm
Nero or Twilight
Profit
Lip
Aspire
Teru
Mag
Yes
Forgot Seoul lol
JJoNak instead of Kalios
Oops lol I completely forgot he was existed
Maybe
I really do think almost all of Paris did pull their own weight tho
I thought of that too
I really hope ProFits lives up to the hype again next season
They have for 2 seasons
Should be good
Also for valiant
Probably wya
Charge
Choisehwan had a strong argument
krystal for valiant honestly
shit up
crying in the club rn https://i.redd.it/b3byabst5k881.png
wonder what he'll be doing next
if ow2 will revitalise his interest in professional play
i assume this is for last szn
punk wasnt better than faith, aspire wasnt better than heesu, mag over fury? profit over fits?? piggy wasnt better than happy either also CSW was by far Charges best player
and nero was definitely not the best shock Player 😭
punk solos unfortunately
nah
if u think punk is better than faith then idek what to tell u
because faith is a top 5 ms while punk is a mid table OT
Mag and fury over hyped
Decay best player on justice
1v11ing
Shu is also boosted by kevster and space
Space > kev
Piggy>>>>Happy, you could argue for the rest
Happy is too inconsistent imo
Yeah
u mean the guy that fed his brains out everytime he touched dva?
But also didn't have a great tracer or Sombra
He easily is
Which fucked Houston lots
or rather
was
hes prolly 6th now
leejaegon nisha funnyastro ch0r0ng Chiyo faith
hes potentialy better than chiyo
LMFAOOOO
Yveltal massa?
yveltal retired
??
didnt he
No?
or did nisha retire
Nope
yeah ight then yveltal too
Moth got fucked by having best brig on his team
And bad rein
And wanting too much money
He played like 2 games on a new team
Also they played muze rein on hawaii and he absolutely dominated Atlanta on hanamura
He played a decent amount actually
Also I think fd is better than faith
i mean Post maylee it was id argue
rewatch summer showdown qualifiers vs Atlanta or him on rein in countdown cup vs Atlanta
He pounded absurdely hard there
He also has the stats to back it up
Watch dpei interview
pretty sure he just said muze wasn't confident on the hero?
Whomegalul
because packing10 said feath5r was the best fdpd they trialed
???
yet he flopped
Wasn't that nyxl
feath5r trialed for valiant
Wasted talent
yeah
Imma be honest I have no clue who feather or packing10 are
MuZe rein wasnt even bad but ofc u gonna look mid on the hero qhen ur team isnt coordinated
lol
Also calling decay the best Player on justice when he did air almost every game is funny
Decay overrated
Mag insane
mag doesn't have a ball sadly
nor a orisa
Best rein tho
weird way to spell super/fearless
He looked good on rein with Bebe and closer backline



