fallen turret
Are there any S tier main supports coming out of last season other than masaa and leejaegon?
#esports-discussion
tawdry hamlet
Skewed Funnyastro Imo 😈
Yveltal if he's feeling like playing the game and Nisha are good too
Nisha was crazy good for a rookie main support same with mmonk on flex
Mmonk was insane
willow tartan
can you really call skewed a main supp
but yeah, really just ljg/nisha/yveltal/fastro
noble nexus
Brig the only MS that counts
balmy wolf
Ojee
plush grail
come here bb
vagrant jacinth
hot onyx
come here bb
plush grail
;)
noble nexus
loser
plush grail
LOVE U TOO
noble nexus
aight
plush grail
:)
twilit oriole
Twitter
cursive oar
https://twitter.com/grazen/status/1473523424500895746?s=21
shit is ass
north relic
https://twitter.com/grazen/status/1473523424500895746?s=21
who is this?
twilit oriole
who is this?
Owner of Toronto defiant
north relic
There was another tweet saying that we don’t have to wait much longer
I’m getting blue balled very hard rn
noble nexus
if the owner of Toronto is getting ow2 info maybe they're finally telling the fucking professional ow players about ow2
twilit oriole
if the owner of Toronto is getting ow2 info maybe they're finally telling the fu...
Yep
S9mm also said he got info
twilit oriole
There was another tweet saying that we don’t have to wait much longer
Where
vagrant jacinth
Let's gooo
S9mm said on stream that there isn't too much longer to wait
I'm getting hype, maybe news in the new year? 👀
twilit oriole
I’m saying OW2 releases on anniversary of OW1
noble nexus
tbf tho S9mm could've just been told by one of the CC's that attended the event in private
regardless he seems hopeful and if S9mm is hopeful for the game then I am too ig
vagrant jacinth
A lot of content creators are getting hype so I am too
Tbf I can see them doing the valorant route and dropping keys from watching, idk if it will be a proper full release
Twitter
plush grail
I'M SO FUCKING SICK AND TIRED
OF ALL THESE CONTENT CREATORS SAYING SHIT LIKE ''this news i just got is sick!''
stop acting like the cool kids who share a secret
so annoying
balmy wolf
stop acting like the cool kids who share a secret
u wanna be a cool kid too huh?
plush grail
I am cool as fuck
balmy wolf
sup everyone
raw ermine
hot onyx
https://twitter.com/grazen/status/1473523424500895746?s=21
return of 6v6?
noble nexus
if they scrap the key change from ow1 - ow2 it sets a bad precedent
worn falcon
who
vagrant jacinth
Where we thought London might be good
This is the season I just know it
trail perch
sign f4ze.
sign mer1t.
sign o2 boss.
please someone
just do it
make o2 an owl team
bring back ppl from all o2 eras
you would win
vagrant jacinth
Reunite s1 london, take ow2 inaugural season by storm let's go
noble nexus
cool
anyways
honestly s1 London would be misery cuz Gesture would still try to force hog
plush grail
mald more jack
noble nexus
pussy
plush grail
how
noble nexus
didn't ask
next mesa
lol some neckbeard arguing about women leagues in esports
plush grail
what
next mesa
its trending
plush grail
How do they hurt men
next mesa
ohh i see what he's saying
CSGO made this women circuit
500k prize pool
and the people
men and women
in like the t1 t2 grind
that are better than them
will be pissed
because like
the value of the tournament is not proportional to the skill
that the tournament will produce
tropic herald
Yea but also we get to shit on Semmler for being unbased
plush grail
wdym
tropic herald
https://twitter.com/OnFireSemmler/status/1473641760094105607?t=OBhWSaKsH9eP82UOy...
@plush grail
plush grail
i still dont understand
tropic herald
i still dont understand
Twitter
plush grail
semmler is cringe
next mesa
Semmler is pretty cringe
plush grail
So are u
next mesa
He's wording his points really badly
Ok Paris fan 😌
I thank God everyday for not making me a Paris fan
cedar oasis
Yea fuck you
noble nexus
I thank God everyday for not making me a Paris fan
I’m not religious but I also do this just in case he’s real to let him know how thankful I am for not being braindead
next mesa
I’m not religious but I also do this just in case he’s real to let him know how ...
Lmao literally mr
Me
vagrant jacinth
I’m not religious but I also do this just in case he’s real to let him know how ...
Lmao
willow tartan
the value of the tournament is not proportional to the skill
value of the tournament is proportionate to the revenue it will generate
next mesa
will that get revenue though
willow tartan
probably not
but im not a multi million dollar corporation so surely they know more about money than me
north relic
the only thing I know is that multimillion dollar company blizzard loves spending money on lawsuits
willow tartan
because it benefits them
just looked at it and it's only EU and NA
asian counter strike will never exist
plush grail
I’m not religious but I also do this just in case he’s real to let him know how ...
I pray for your downfall every day
noble nexus
so do I
plush grail
U good
willow tartan
not good but at least not u
noble nexus
Thanks but I think I’ll pass on that offer :)
next mesa
I actually cant wait for OW2, the game is gonna go mainstream, ml7, flats, jay3 etc will blow up, the game will be good again
north relic
I actually cant wait for OW2, the game is gonna go mainstream, ml7, flats, jay3 ...
When was last good game released
next mesa
minecraft 1.18 came out like 2 weeks ago
valorant is decent
or do u mean blizzard
ow>>every game
in existence
no cap
willow tartan
i dont even like anything anymore
next mesa
no u still have the dragons
next mesa
and what about fried chicken
willow tartan
overwatch and overwatch league just gives me something to care about
willow tartan
just game in general
no game released in a pretty significant amount of years has really been good personally
like none that really grab you by the scalp and makes you play it
north relic
no game released in a pretty significant amount of years has really been good pe...
Fortnite
next mesa
i play valorant because my friends play
fortnite did have a big impact in the industry
willow tartan
at least for me neither of those games really connected with me enough where its like "I have to play it"
but maybe that's not a real emotion that i can have
and im just remembering the past incorrectly
north relic
guys i cant wait for the paris (the map not the bottom tier team) rework
static pond
at least for me neither of those games really connected with me enough where its...
I felt that a lot with marvel spider man , horizon zero dawn and bridge of spirits
Just waiting on dying light two and forbidden west
twilit oriole
fortnite did have a big impact in the industry
Fortnite changed the gaming industry, undoubtedly the best game in its prime to ever exist
random magnet
most popular game of all time even maybe?
twilit oriole
For sure
It legit revolutionized gaming
And I’m talking about it’s prime time btw
You really can’t argue that it wasn’t bc if you do, you either never played it or you had no friends back then
twilit oriole
What szn
next mesa
Lol how would I know
twilit oriole
…
noble nexus
The only thing fortnite revolutionized was battle passes to an extent and those aren't really very popular anymore
it had a huge impact but to call it the undoubted best game to ever exist when it was in it's prime
is just
stupid
earnest leaf
all fortnite did was make us get spoon fed dogshit BR ganes
twilit oriole
it had a huge impact but to call it the undoubted best game to ever exist when i...
Bro it was the best game in its prime
Everyone was playing, I don’t know a single person who wasn’t back then
twilit oriole
among us was hella popular
You can’t compare among us to fortnite
You just can’t
Fortnite in it’s prime had everyone talking about fortnite, that was the only game that would be talked about when it was out, no other game would feel calm to play then loading up in to a game of fortnite to chill, like none
Among us had like 60M downloads, fortnite had 350 million
north relic
The only thing fortnite revolutionized was battle passes to an extent and those ...
also making things f2p
but yea fortnite was crazy popular but that doesnt mean that it was the best game to ever exist
super isnt the greatest player but is the most popular
noble nexus
I mean fortnite wasn't the first game to be f2p but yeah it made it a little bit more popular
but that's hand-in-hand with the battle pass thing
north relic
yea
vagrant jacinth
Yeah, I just think it made it more mainstream
north relic
f2p battle pass meta
noble nexus
fortnite in it's prime wasn't a bad game but not even close to best game of all time lol
north relic
i dont want to pay for a overwatch battle pass though
i would rather pay for the game
vagrant jacinth
Battle passes give me fomo
north relic
battle passes make you pay a subscription for the game
vagrant jacinth
It's like if I don't grind a pass for like week or so its just painful trying to play catch up
twilit oriole
fortnite in it's prime wasn't a bad game but not even close to best game of all ...
Then what is
north relic
very subjective
noble nexus
^^^^
vagrant jacinth
^
twilit oriole
Okay but like what’s yours
noble nexus
idk The Witcher 3 is pretty up there
last nimbus
fortnite popped off cause it was a bad year for game releases, it was a f2p battle royale, easy to understand with cartoony artstyle and fresh mechanics
noble nexus
BRs suck ass so
twilit oriole
idk The Witcher 3 is pretty up there
Never heard anyone even talk about that nor even anyone play it
last nimbus
it had both luck and an intelligent team behind them
vagrant jacinth
Lmaoo
north relic
ive heard of witcher and thought about getting it
vagrant jacinth
I don't know where you've been bud
north relic
i tend to like story-coop games the most
vagrant jacinth
It's incredible. Always on sale too
noble nexus
The Witcher 3 is really good
noble nexus
Never heard anyone even talk about that nor even anyone play it
loads of people talked about and played fall guys
but that died after 2 months
vagrant jacinth
I got got for like 8 quid I think
vagrant jacinth
Fall guys was fun for like, 2 days
north relic
crab game best game no discussion
twilit oriole
but that died after 2 months
Fortnite didn’t thou, it gained millions each month and to this date still is, even thou it may not be the best anymore
It built its reputation
north relic
it built its rep as a cringey game for 12 yr olds
twilit oriole
it built its rep as a cringey game for 12 yr olds
🤦♂️
S3 was cringey?
S2 and 1 to?
north relic
bro fortnite is literally a meme rn
north relic
prime fortnite is just a simpler version of current fortnite with a better playerbase
noble nexus
you're either trolling or just don't play anything other than fortnite
twilit oriole
prime fortnite is just a simpler version of current fortnite with a better playe...
Not even remotely close, wonder if you even played it but here’s what prime was:
-Better map
-better graphics
-much much less toxic/try hard playerbase
-Huge player base who where invested
-played for fun and the game was really fun
twilit oriole
you're either trolling or just don't play anything other than fortnite
I feel like you can’t read
vagrant jacinth
Bro it's fine if you think fortnites good, people are allowed to think differently
twilit oriole
Yeah that’s the prime
vagrant jacinth
Lol
twilit oriole
Bro took ss and acted like he did something
north relic
hol up im trying to find my fortnite hours
vagrant jacinth
Bc you literally repeated what he said but with more words
willow tartan
the most popular game of all time is technically the first video game ever created since it captured 100% of the space 
pong gaming
noble nexus
minecraft has the most units sold so it's the best game every without a shadow of a doubt
north relic
guys avert your eyes
mortal cipher
lol
north relic
minecraft has the most units sold so it's the best game every without a shadow o...
most of the current population would probably say mc as well
noble nexus
it'd be more acceptable than fortnite
north relic
mc had coop story pvp and aged well
noble nexus
mc targets more than one type of person lol
fortnite is literally just tailored for kids nowadays and it's hella obvious
random magnet
guys avert your eyes
i have 51 days on PC, 1500+ hours on my switch
next mesa
crab game best game no discussion
Facts
twilit oriole
This forgoodking kid obviously is a Fortnite fanboy
Yeah I’m convinced you are legally not able to read and comprehend words, here, I’ll say it for you again since you need it: fortnite was the best game in its prime (2017-18). I don’t even play the game anymore, I stopped S7 which was about 2 years ago.
Idk how I’m a fanboy if almost 99% of the people who played fortnite back then acc liked it
north relic
you can’t just say it was the best game the title of best game is different for everyone
twilit oriole
Nah that’s not even the thing anymore, just re telling what I said to this levy guy since he has trouble reading
earnest leaf
Fortnite itself wasn't anything special as a game, shitty BR that cycled new shit over and over, just a hyper normie friendly game
tidal tangle
Fortnite itself wasn't anything special as a game, shitty BR that cycled new shi...
but it still had the most numbers in players
meaning more people are interested
next mesa
it was also a shit game
tidal tangle
thats your opinion
next mesa
among us as well
tidal tangle
but it was a hit game back then
next mesa
fortnite being best game is also his opinion as well
lol stating it as if it was a fact
tidal tangle
it is but he has something to back it up
which is the large playerbase behind it
overcoming most games
if more people are taking interest
next mesa
again large playerbase does not mean it's the best game
tidal tangle
its probably a better game 
next mesa
tetris isn't the best game
tidal tangle
it still surpasses other games with interest
earnest leaf
It was an incredibly mainstream/normie friendly game, of course it's gonna have a bunch of players
sullen berry
You're right, chess it is
tidal tangle
im not fully basing it off that but it does tie into it
next mesa
You're right, chess it is
chess is a great game
tidal tangle
that the amount of ppl playing counts to being the best game
sullen berry
Whoever made the last patch notes to chess did a really good job not breaking the game for the past century
next mesa
past millenia
also amount of people playing counts towards interest it doesn't necessarily mean best game
tidal tangle
Whoever made the last patch notes to chess did a really good job not breaking th...
yeah
next mesa
crab game was designed by one guy
tidal tangle
also amount of people playing counts towards interest it doesn't necessarily mea...
it does tie into it though
sullen berry
Nah I went with that for second and realized people use castiling religiously for the past 300 years
tidal tangle
you cant say it doesnt
next mesa
of course it does
it's just not a good argument to make
its popular so its best game
like
lol
you can dive into game mechanics
tidal tangle
so if i made a game that wasnt popular then it can still somehow be considered the best game
sullen berry
Exactly, Overwatch is and was the best game financially out there in 2015
Emphasis on over half a decade ago
next mesa
<:brUh:750044577963966614> so if i made a game that wasnt popular then it can s...
of course
but if it was actually the best game
people would play it
tidal tangle
people would play it
thats my point
sullen berry
With numbers to back it up to flog at the uneducated for years to come
tidal tangle
literally what we are saying dude
next mesa
although it depends on how much money you just spend on advertisement
twilit oriole
Ty levy
tidal tangle
the playerbase ties in deeply to being the bestgame
next mesa
nah
tidal tangle
if no one is gonna play it than it cant be considered the BEST game
next mesa
doesn't go the other way though
GTA V is not the best game this year
not even close
but it is the most watched
twilit oriole
Watched? How about played?
tidal tangle
we mean best overall
twilit oriole
we mean best overall
Yeah
tidal tangle
and playerbase matters when it comes to that
if no ones gonna play your game it wont be considered the best
bc ppl wont like it
and wont play it at all
watch times are less intuitive tbh
twilit oriole
If you have a player base of 350 Million players in its prime that’s showing how much people loved the game
tidal tangle
If you have a player base of 350 Million players in its prime that’s showing how...
^^
exactly
next mesa
If you have a player base of 350 Million players in its prime that’s showing how...
agree lots of people loved the game
again doesn't mean it was the best game
not even close actually
tidal tangle
twilit oriole
..
tidal tangle
this is just out of pocketnow
twilit oriole
I don’t know how to explain it now
next mesa
I mean it's really logical
jagged viper
next mesa
any game can go trending
tidal tangle
its staright forward
tidal tangle
any game can go trending
yeah but the playercount matters for more people enjoying it
you said my game can be the best w/o a playerbase
but if ppl wont play then something is wrong
next mesa
of course
tidal tangle
its bc bigger games with more players thrive
next mesa
but the reason why fortnite was so popular is not just because of the gameplay itself
think about all the marketing and promotion they did
its the same thing as streamers streaming among us
collabing with drake
twilit oriole
Early prime there was no promontion lol
twilit oriole
collabing with drake
They never collabed with drake
next mesa
doing things that bring players does not mean it's the best game
twilit oriole
That was Ninja playing with him
twilit oriole
It wasn’t sponsored
tidal tangle
ok but they got more playerbase off of that
next mesa
sorry used the word "collab"
tidal tangle
there just doing better
its still not a viable point in my sense
i could do that on my game too
twilit oriole
Fortnite back then had no promotion, I heard about the game through my friends and so did almost everyone else
They then started doing ads when it became big
tidal tangle
yeah promotion was uh
twilit oriole
S1-3 they didn’t
next mesa
i see their ads on every youtube channel i watched
twilit oriole
I legit saw none
twilit oriole
I only saw it after s4
twilit oriole
But it wasn’t heavy heavy promotion, like it wasn’t everywhere, and games have promotions
twilit oriole
Monka moment
tidal tangle
if more people enjoy it im gonna call it the best
twilit oriole
^^
tidal tangle
if more ppl play it than theres a reason behind it
because they love it more than yours
tidal tangle
we can go into detail all we want and all with mechs and all
in the game
but the playerbase speaks for itself
next mesa
if you apply that logic to basic things in life
twilit oriole
we can go into detail all we want and all with mechs and all
We aren’t talking about that time
We’re talking prime
next mesa
all mainstream things are the best
not true at all
its just called marketing
pretty simple
tidal tangle
if you apply that logic to basic things in life
actual life is different to games
twilit oriole
It gained 350M in its PRIME, when the game was good meaning so many enjoyed and since they did it became even more popular bc they spread the word
next mesa
doesn't mean it's the best tv show
next mesa
dw bro
tidal tangle
just because a lot of people enjoy it
how about this
next mesa
get the W
next mesa
you're thinking like
tidal tangle
than nesscessarily im losing the my tv show is the best
next mesa
its linked
willow tartan
best is subjective, most commercially successful is money
tidal tangle
theres a reason why ppl wont watch my show over the other
next mesa
on the other hand the most popular show is also not necessarily the best show
those 2 statements can co-exist
willow tartan
you cant have the best show without any viewers
sure you can
next mesa
sure you can
agree
willow tartan
ask any cult fanbase
tidal tangle
i mean if no ones watching then whats the point
next mesa
they could be spending absolutely 0 dollars on marketing
tidal tangle
it doesnt make sense if you wont watch my show how is it becoming the best
willow tartan
google should spend 0 on marketing
twilit oriole
If no one is watching then only really you and a couple others think it’s the best
willow tartan
yeah but whenever you say anything is the "best" its literally what you think
tidal tangle
nothing else will matter if you dont watch it than theres a reason why
true
its opinion based
willow tartan
there is no universal metric for considering things to be the "best"
tidal tangle
but realistically for me i wont say your show is the best with no ppl watching
willow tartan
except leejaegon being the best main support of 2021
next mesa
best game is subjective to the player
tidal tangle
best overall is subjective to the playerbases around it
next mesa
doesnt have anything to do with playercount
tidal tangle
and playercount
next mesa
except leejaegon being the best main support of 2021
true!
tidal tangle
i cant have the best game without any players
twilit oriole
Best overall is what the majority of players think, and that being 350 million
willow tartan
game awards mean nothing
tidal tangle
and be crowned best game of the year off votes
tidal tangle
game awards mean nothing
the people vote off it so it kind of does but lets end it there
tidal tangle
riverdale is a shit show
if more ppl think its better than it has some spotlight
next mesa
just look at oscars animation
tidal tangle
we cant ignore that
willow tartan
award shows are politics most of the time
tidal tangle
just look at oscars animation
i have never heard of that
next mesa
oscars have a best animated movie award
willow tartan
things being voted in doesnt mean they are the best
willow tartan
just because leave was voted mvp doesnt mean he is a better player than LIP
because he's not
tidal tangle
opinion base solos for me
but sometimes it can go wrong
but this is defeating my point using a different analogies
we were on about games
that changed fast
next mesa
just because leave was voted mvp doesnt mean he is a better player than LIP
😎
dude
i saw a thread
about
like
is leave the best echo
and imo like
tidal tangle
🤨
next mesa
leave pelican fleta
in their tier
right
but for some fuckin reason
sparkle was in the convo
willow tartan
ye
next mesa
like wtf
tidal tangle
sparkle was in the convo
next mesa
actually so ridiculous
willow tartan
sparkle not S tier on any hero that actually gets playtime
next mesa
doom
he forces him for playtime
honestly its underrated how good dallas was
they cant play meta heroes so they literally just change it
next mesa
<:brUh:750044577963966614>
pog
willow tartan
dallas and underrated in the same sentence....
next mesa
join
willow tartan
wtf
next mesa
u have 4 months to catch up on owl lore
willow tartan
owl lore: shock bad dragons good
next mesa
owl lore: dragons was bad but now so fucking good
twilit oriole
dallas and underrated in the same sentence....
Dallas legit owned the meta, they would make it up, and when they couldn’t they got beat
willow tartan
that has no bearing to what i said
next mesa
this season was pretty cool
willow tartan
i just said that they arent underrated lol
next mesa
there was like a meta
and then dallas changed it
and now thats the meta
and then dragons defined their own meta
so now that became the meta
and no other team was able to 1. define a meta better than the existing one or 2. play the meta better than dragons
so they won
tawdry hamlet
Checkmate vs Teru which player you taking tho
willow tartan
we never really got to see checkmate play so definitely checkmate
earnest leaf
Dallas was super good at dive and they could all play dive heroes well
and dive was meta 90% of the season
the power of blizzard refusing to patch the game all season long
willow tartan
75%***
earnest leaf
I honestly like when the game gets more meaningful balance changes during the season
it tests teams ability to adapt
next mesa
dive was meta until something better came along
earnest leaf
Hero pools kinda does that but not that much
willow tartan
I don't
earnest leaf
But I wouldn't want to watch a meta all year of poke and like 3 teams are good at it and those are the only ones that do anything
willow tartan
Game shouldn't change during a season. Teams should be adapting by innovating upon the meta in the current game patch
next mesa
well like
if you're not good at poke
but you're good at something else
you can play that
you know
earnest leaf
Depends on how good the current meta is
next mesa
like dragons wasn't the best at winston dive
so they are like
ok lets play ball
and then they beat dive
earnest leaf
Like with goats, it took 3 stages for a team to not play goats to do anything meaningful
next mesa
I mean like
willow tartan
And that's innovating on the meta
next mesa
yeah innovation
earnest leaf
sometimes the dominant comp is simply too strong for you to force other styles
willow tartan
If they didn't swap to role queue more teams would've played that
next mesa
yeah
like goats was the meta
dragons defeated it
its organic
it took some time for dragons to be good enough
next mesa
yeah but this season's wasn't that at all
all the metas arent forced
like if u dont play goats u lose
teams could play to their strengths
which is like pretty good
earnest leaf
This season was shd/dallas/chengdu running dive and doing better than everyone basically
willow tartan
Balance changes are good for a game but balance changes should only happen to make the game more balanced, not to "change up the meta"
next mesa
I mean atl also played a good amount of orisa
earnest leaf
The issue with minimal balance changes is it leads to a stale and stagnant meta
earnest leaf
Comps are fun to watch, just not for an entire year or longer, which was the main issue with goats
next mesa
like even goats was broken
it was just too dominant
rush was meta for like a little bit but without balance changes it went away
like organically
willow tartan
I don't give a shit if it's the same meta if the current state of the game is competitively balanced where other compositions are viable
earnest leaf
Basically, me like balance changes cuz teams have to adapt
lets teams show their strengths in other comps and what not
earnest leaf
Instead of running the same style for 6 months
next mesa
seoul 2020 playoffs run very poggers
earnest leaf
It was actually pretty interesting
willow tartan
What I'm hearing is let's fuck up the balance of the game just to make owl more "interesting"
If game is balanced, don't change.
earnest leaf
Although I will make an exception, super wack balance patches right before playoffs is dumb
But even then generally the best team still won
next mesa
yeah balanced game is good
earnest leaf
s2/s3 shock were the best all year and still dealt with the weird playoff metas
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if the game was balanced
earnest leaf
iirc in s1 london had a seoul type scenario?
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teams can play to their strengths more
willow tartan
Balance changes to make all compositions more competitively viable = good
Balance changes to artificially create a different meta = bad
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yes bro this season we saw like
literally everything
orisa dva
dive
double bubble
earnest leaf
But it always came right back to dive
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because they executed dive better
earnest leaf
no because dive heroes didn't get touched at all that year balance wise
earnest leaf
Brig/zen/ana/ball/tracer I don't remember getting nerfed in any significant way
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if rush stayed meta
it doesnt mean like
rein was busted
honestly no matter how u balance the game
there's always going to be some sort of meta
earnest leaf
none iirc
willow tartan
Yea
cool to think about though, 2019 = mostly brawl, 2020 = mostly poke and 2021 = mostly dive
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2019 was
i think there was a good amount of brawl as well
hey loser whoever just did that
your mom isnt proud of you
btw
just stating some facts
earnest leaf
2020 was pretty diverse
Started with rush, went into poke, then dive, then the hog shit
which was double sniper
Too bad there were only 2 good teams that year
earnest leaf
fusion were regular season warriors
Lost to shock each time except the one off hero pool week
also if they didn't get hit by the hog meta, they would have placed 3rd at best
willow tartan
praying for south east asian competitive overwatch
patiphan carries the hopes and dreams of an entire region
worn falcon
Patiphan washed
random magnet
https://twitter.com/6ARKS/status/1473734976004886532?t=E0f7JvIkeZUeSMUJPJo_aA&s=...
assuming this is about ppl complaining about the women only esports tourney or smthn?
gusty rampart
Nah some jackass said a men's only tournament acting like there's isn't enough men/men are opressed in the eSports business
forest raven
twilit oriole
Here’s my take on all this women/Men Stuff:
Men and women both deserve equal chances of making the pro scene. Now we’ve seen this happen in OWL but the problem is more males try and reach the pro level then females, like aspen for example. She’s trying, and I respect her grind but if you look at her past results a team isn’t going to accept you if you’ve been doing pretty bad in contenders. Do both genders deserve equal shots? Yes. Are there more males then females in the esports scene? Yes. Are males more likely to get picked up? Yes. But that’s not bc their men, it’s bc they’ve proven it and if the majority of the competition in contenders is against males, and if males do better then females, teams will more likely go for them. Respect to all the women who are grinding and they should keep grinding, they’ll make the pro scene one day.
tawdry hamlet
The point isn't about the skill difference the point is about how eSports as a whole are a male dominated field and introducing female only tournaments does nothing to hurt the males like people are saying
novel owl
praying for south east asian competitive overwatch
???????? ow ?????? in sea ?? alive ??
tawdry hamlet
They aren't asking for a free pass to the top because they're a woman they're just asking to be treated as equals 😤
novel owl
well i mean wont they get recruited if theyre good ?
tawdry hamlet
Idk how else to explain it other than, more people into eSports regardless of gender is a good thing and I agree with Jakes take 😤
novel owl
yeah its always like thjat
it just
there are rarely good females in esports
and waaay more rarer for females to pursue it
tawdry hamlet
And there's more culturally to that than just guys play more games than girls so it makes sense they're better which is what people are pointing out 
novel owl
dk ask them
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Because toxic gaming neckbeards
tawdry hamlet
The treatment women receive when they do pursue it 😧
novel owl
all the girls i know that play ow just play it casually
tawdry hamlet
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Same
tawdry hamlet
Either way I like women tourneys! Yay, also do you guys think moth will retire
Like where this dude at
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And you know why they don't like comp
tawdry hamlet
Haven't seen him since glads team pics in hawaii
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Because it's horrible being a woman in that environment
tawdry hamlet
Like for a while I was convinced rascal and moth died or something
novel owl
nor care much
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Let's say u have 100 talented girls per 100000 girls and the same ratio for guys
99 of the girls would stop pursuing
Because of the environment
novel owl
i doubt that since same ratio
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While like 85 of the guys would still play
tawdry hamlet
No matter what if you're a girl above bronze on a role besides dps you're boosted 😤
E girl boosted plus L plus ratio
novel owl
the environment will change
if its the same ratio
the guys that try to be toxic will get shut down by the other people
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Why
novel owl
because its 50:50 ratio
tawdry hamlet
I just think there's more factors to it than guys are naturally better at video games, there's cultural barriers, societal barriers, girls are pushed towards fem things while boys are pushed towards Xbox and shit
novel owl
but you said same ratio
tawdry hamlet
You know 
novel owl
I just think there's more factors to it than guys are naturally better at video ...
well we have way less girls playing games so it makes sense that esport isnt filled with girls
so yea its true
its like why a few man doin make up artist vs woman
tawdry hamlet
And the culture around girls and video games is the cause of that, so by creating women's only tourneys you're openly inviting new people into the eSports bubble which Ultimately is a good thing 😤
Same with guys and makeup, guys aren't into makeup just because well guys don't like it, it's because even if they were they'd be shit on and ridiculed up until recently 💅
novel owl
yeap pretty much like that
novel owl
oh so you mean same ratio but men still way higher
like 1 talented girl vs 10 talented guys ratio
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Yeah
novel owl
well its the same problem as what michael said
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Girl tourneys are good
It would be great if they're not necessary
But for now
They are
willow tartan
The point isn't about the skill difference the point is about how eSports as a w...
i thought the whole problem people were having with that tournament is that as of right now, there are no tier 1 female teams and that teams of equal skill are being paid less in t2 tournaments
plush grail
i thought the whole problem people were having with that tournament is that as o...
your dumbness is the problem
rare magnet
rare sp9 stream https://www.twitch.tv/sp9rk1e
willow tartan
your dumbness is the problem
how the fuck does that have anything to do with anything
wide minnow
I want dafran and kabaji play toghter
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Kabaji sadge
worn falcon
Cabbage
wide minnow
Kabaji sadge
U still hate dafran?
willow tartan
Bring back Geguri to bench Void
I don't think she wanted to compete anymore
cedar oasis
Men are just better at ow then women
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because it's a toxic environment for them
hot onyx
I don't think she wanted to compete anymore
Sadge
north relic
It's a toxic environment for everyone
ahem this chat is very civilized and respectful
cedar oasis
No
north relic
Yes
cedar oasis
I know how to start a war
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cedar oasis
I will do it
north relic
I know how to start a war
I decline your declaration of war
cedar oasis
Oh your french then?
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jsuis francais
actually
french military
historically
so good
they just got fucked by prime nazis
north relic
historically
yes but their main tank kinda sucks
plush grail
they just got fucked by prime nazis
??????
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The country
guys
u know what would be cool
an OWL 2021-2022 draft
lmk if u are interested
not just rookies tho like full rosters
drop name i will put on a wheel
tawdry hamlet
Ivy could've been so good 😤
Covid literally created bench careers for so many promising players
Sadge
plush grail
an OWL 2021-2022 draft
we still need to do a ed draft one day
also imagine being empathy
u leave the ed children alone for a few hours and they start talking about ''prime nazi's''
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ed draft?
tawdry hamlet
SBB Pine Sayaplayer
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current players only
tawdry hamlet
I'm trying to think of ended too soon fan favorites 😭
tawdry hamlet
cedar oasis
what about libero
next mesa
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4lJGxZR2ut8 also saya is doing quite well in val ahahaha
hi, shut the fuck up!
gusty rampart
Ngl
I don't think FD is getting picked up this year
The only team I could've seen him going to is back to Paris but they already have Dridro who can do basic everything FD can do + more
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What's ed draft
tawdry hamlet
FD and moth 
plush grail
you fucking brainlet
next mesa
Ohhh
plush grail
actual peanutbrain
plush grail
levy aka BITCH
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But yes let's draft
gusty rampart
FD and moth <:waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhh:678339286906437653>
Moth will get picked up I feel
Outlaws or Shock
There ain't no way Shock isn't tryna get him
next mesa
Depends on the wheel who's going first
next mesa
No one is stealing Daan dumbass
plush grail
someone will
gusty rampart
Absolutely not
tawdry hamlet
Iris Moth Pelican Danteh Piggy 😤😳
gusty rampart
Iris Moth Pelican Danteh Piggy 😤😳
This would be the team I'd support
tawdry hamlet
Have an actually good player coach play main support instead of Jake omegalul
tawdry hamlet
I don't even mind Jake on the team he has a spot he just needs to not be so so present or the org needs to stop dragging it's feet on a ms
plush grail
Absolutely not
!!welcome
young fractalBOT
Welcome to the server! Please remember to read #rules and #647027996070379520 and enjoy your stay!
plush grail
dink is going on my list
next mesa
Fr tho drop ur name
plush grail
the list of people i will harass when paris goes 16-0
plush grail
Fr tho drop ur name
u added me already right
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If you get the last pick of the first round u get the first pick of the last round etc etc
Hold on yeah
plush grail
might wanna ask empathy if he could pin a msg for u
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LMAO
gusty rampart
Hot take time: Chengdu wasn't good, APAC just fucking sucked
noble nexus
Naw
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aw man
noble nexus
Also that’s a hella hot take
gusty rampart
Everytime they went up against a NA team they almost always lost
gusty rampart
Mayhem, Shock, Fuel, Glads
Reign is the only team other they ever consistently beat
worn falcon
Hot take: patiphan is washed and not lives the hype
plush grail
cold take: sbb returns and fucks striker in the tracer 1v1
gusty rampart
SBB sadly can't return due to censorship probably
gusty rampart
But he said things about the CCP
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only 4 players bruh moment
plush grail
only 4 players bruh moment
bruh be patient
north relic
I would join but I’m not home
next mesa
true
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okay paris fan
north relic
and check in a day or so
-still 4 ppl
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@north relic its not gonna be now
north relic
ok
north relic
Is it just drafting
north relic
It’s an L
noble nexus
lsd is a good name :)
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civilized debate after obviously
north relic
did your parents name you lsd
No my parents named me onigod but it was taken by a shitter on this server already so I changed it
plush grail
what draft app are we using
plush grail
who
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with the second pick of the 2021-2022 OWL draft: Luigi the shitter selects: Daan
north relic
do we have a draft app
is anyone smart enough here in this chat to code
north relic
yes let’s threaten his mother
plush grail
okay lets threaten levy
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dm me ur draft pick
lol
and then
since my ego
needs to be boosted
announcement
north relic
Did you get a gf
north relic
👏
north relic
omegalul levy wanted to draft for the sake of drafting and nothing else
next mesa
yes
of course
it would be great
yeah idk which app to use u guys decide
but then we cant draft yaki
lol
plush grail
why not