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hot onyx
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I’d have faith in Decay Mag and even Assassin to sort themselves out with a better backline and coaching

earnest leaf
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decay still looked solid

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assassin outside of sombra for the most part looked decent

next mesa
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honestly assassin looked very bad

earnest leaf
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he was consistently average, but his sombra randomly tanked

next mesa
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his last sombra performance in the playins saved his image

hot onyx
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But Fury has just lost that flair that he had in season 3 and that’s likely why Fusion got rid of him

next mesa
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he was mid af

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I think

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fury and poko couldnt co-exist

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anymore

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fury probably was like justice superteam bet

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crashed tho

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anyways id get fury dont care didnt ask

hot onyx
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Yeah and if a team as rich as Fusion decided to keep Poko over Fury that should say everything you need to know

next mesa
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i doubt fury wanted to stay

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not to mention

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poko and fusion had a long history

hot onyx
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Long history that counted for nothing the year after lul

next mesa
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well bruh fusion is a great org but i would've been surprised if they kept poko after that shitshow

hot onyx
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Yes I know visas and shit

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Imagine Poko-Hadi just becomes a top 5 tank duo next year

earnest leaf
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I think if the supports are at least average or above average they'll look fine

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hadi i'm more worried about than poko

hot onyx
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Admiral looked good for an EU Contenders ms

next mesa
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admiral was good

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i think the

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one on

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falcon looked better though

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i forgot his name

hot onyx
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Prov1de will likely pull a Viol2t every time Hadi ints and doesn’t hit those on LAN

hot onyx
next mesa
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yea

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dolla

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dolla was good

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i have no clue about prov1de but

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either way

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they cant be worse

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than the old support line

hot onyx
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Idk man

next mesa
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now they still kept sparkr shax

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and added

hot onyx
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Look at the mental impact MCD had on Spark

next mesa
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bad

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spark is actually gonna be good this year

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they made all the signings they were supposed to

hot onyx
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Prov1de could just pull another MCD and boom the mentality of the entire Spitfire

next mesa
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even signed superich instead of hyunjae which is a nice surprise

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i think if he had previous issues he wouldnt have these problems

hot onyx
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I’ve seen the screenshots and they’re pretty bad ngl

next mesa
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yeah

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im just saying like

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im sure he worked hard to like

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improve his image

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regardless of like

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whether or not he actually changed

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he managed to convince most of london staff and old valiant coach

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that he did

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and if he fucks up

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like in an attitude way

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its gg

tropic herald
hot onyx
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I just don’t trust the fact that he was definitely old enough to know what he said was fucked up

tropic herald
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lukemino gone

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😍

tropic herald
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wait heart eyes is the wrong thing

next mesa
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oh shittt yeahhh

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lukemino

tropic herald
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👀

next mesa
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owl confirmed

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bruh he should've went to florida man

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wtf

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fucking anamo

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how does he still have a team unironically

tropic herald
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so yeah

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lukemino shock

next mesa
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3 flex supports omegalol

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im just kidding lukemino is ms but

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seems like a waste of his talent

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someone that can play both

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like dayum

earnest leaf
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lukemino to shock wouldn't be that bad tbh

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All he would be there for is lucio/mercy, but has the ability to play FS

next mesa
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but he would never have to play FS

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which is sad

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wasted talent but ig

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his lucio isnt like

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top tier

earnest leaf
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Question would be what other team could he go to as a starter for FS

next mesa
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he could've went to mayhem fit perfectly

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but nooooo

sullen berry
north relic
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where we dropping boys

next mesa
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kings row

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every single

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fucking time

north relic
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kings row is in the middle

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most engagements

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so it depends how you wanna play

next mesa
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who cares

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just go rein zarya

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🗿

north relic
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battle royale

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its prolly 1 player

next mesa
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then i camp here with bastion

north relic
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this is where we question if ow rips off fortnite zone

next mesa
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common Levy W

north relic
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bastion unironically a great pick for battle royale though

next mesa
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of course

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his self heal is probably the most consisnte

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except like what

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hog?

north relic
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zen

next mesa
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and even that is on cd

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yeah but zen needs to wait like

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5 seconds no damage

north relic
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yea

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maybe like mercy but who the fuck would play her in a br

next mesa
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hey

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halo

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this is ur fucking moment

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this

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IS

north relic
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what

next mesa
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YOUR MOMENT

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LEAK

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OVERWATCH CREATORS MEETING

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LEAK IT

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LEAK IT

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FUCKING LEAK IT

north relic
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thats probably illegal

next mesa
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sometimes it be like that

north relic
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the hopium took over

next mesa
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IM FUCKING FAMOUS BOYS

north relic
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!

earnest leaf
sullen berry
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funky trade deal

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2019 Kariv trade value was generously inflated

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But Violet and Rascal being considered is on a whole new level for SFS in 2020

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Toronto Viol2t on the same team as Surefour and agilities

tacit skiff
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and he talks about you for like 30 seconds

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I think not

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(✯ᴗ✯)

next mesa
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ur the operator of owlopinions

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YIKES!

tacit skiff
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ik mega yikes

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god save me

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for the things I have seen

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I have heard

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( ꈍᴗꈍ) make me want to do unexplainable acts

raw ermine
next mesa
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exactly bro

rare magnet
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so he hasnt even played ow for super long time and doesnt know what is happening in the game interesting he got signed without any tryouts seemingly

sullen berry
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duoing with Dank

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Raise your Koalas for Australia

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🐨

raw ermine
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I refuse to believe that is what happened with pati

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Did he say it out loud?

sullen berry
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Dapr and zombs in overwatch poog

tawdry hamlet
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Yo let's goo lyar and gig made redbirds new team 😍

tacit skiff
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F British Hurricane
Long Live Boston Uprising

next mesa
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Watching patiphan stream

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One day Return already hating the game pepelaugh

rare magnet
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honestly why he get signed

tawdry hamlet
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Probably because ans Kevster can already do most of the heroes they need so they just did it for the lols

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And it's a totally new game and he's shown to be mechanically cracked across multiple games so they probably think he can pick it up easy

rare magnet
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he hasnt played ow for atleast 1 year how does he get signed over someone who has grinded the game

gusty rampart
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British Hurricane

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I want to cry

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Also I feel Pati will be perma benched

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All his best heroes Ans and Kevster are just better at

next mesa
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Oh god he's not good

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He died 15 times

rare magnet
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watching this stream its ridiculous

tawdry hamlet
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I mean at the end of the day mirror was barely used last year so they know they don't need to rely on a third dps but the amount of popularity and fans they'll get for the signing is worth

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Like chipsa lul

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Like who was their other option? Someone like eqo or some shit?

rare magnet
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yeah fuck clout signings

earnest leaf
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Chipsa signing was incredibly harmless and overblown

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just a publicity signing, philly that year didn't need that spot filled dps wise anyways

rare magnet
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chipsa atleast plays the game, pati doesnt

next mesa
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He looks... Bad

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In the one game that I spectated

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He's a hyperflex but don't have the knowledge and gamesense to back up his mechanics

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Hopefully yet

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I actually don't doubt that pati fucked the tryouts

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He probably grinded overwatch a good bit before the tryouts

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And during tryouts got like insane performance and pounded

rare magnet
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doesnt look like it

jagged viper
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where did his stream go

vagrant cargo
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like glads dont sign a Player for nothing

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and every Player has bad days on ranked besides kevster

balmy wolf
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hello

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where my regular

vagrant jacinth
little tusk
willow drum
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I was not

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impressed with Patiphan

tawdry hamlet
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Not to say he's good or bad but he's streamed once so it's a Lil early to make assumptions

raw ermine
trail perch
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Please don’t say that’s true

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If so ig I’m an outlaws fan now

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Along with spark

tropic herald
raw ermine
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lul

worn falcon
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I don't even trusted pickuplibero

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Mf is just a baiter

balmy wolf
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Why am I not regular

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Makes no sense

gusty rampart
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Bro

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PickUpLibero's preds have not been correct in forever

noble nexus
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nah he's 100% accurate

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says it in his name

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🙄

north relic
balmy wolf
hot onyx
hot onyx
gusty rampart
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Pretty sure Kevsters echo is better

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Double HS is the only reason I can see

hot onyx
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Never saw Ans or Kevster perform at a top tier level on sombra

gusty rampart
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Neither of them played Sombra very much lmao

hot onyx
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Could also be for mei

willow tartan
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There's nothing wrong with this signing bro

hot onyx
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Or tracer/echo metas

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I wouldn’t be confident in a meta where Ans had to play tracer

willow tartan
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He's mechanically gifted, if he picks up ow again well then glads have a fire DPS line, if he doesn't then they still have a good DPS line.

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no disadvantage

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I think he's just talent glads want to foster

hot onyx
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They did a good job fostering Moth

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Speaking of Moth when is Houston going to announce they signed him?

willow tartan
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In 2 weeks

hot onyx
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Naw they announce it at Christmas

willow tartan
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when is Christmas?

hot onyx
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25th

willow tartan
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maybe

hot onyx
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Crowning gift to Houston fans

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Show an image of Moth and Jake arm in arm with eachother as they’re about to fight out who gets the ms slot during a brig meta

next mesa
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not to mention any tracer meta that doesnt have another hard hitscan pati would play

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kevster would be on tracer

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and if the other hero is not like cree ashe widow

noble nexus
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Yeah this is just gonna be like Pati benched most of the season if he doesn’t pick the game up well again or him rolling shitters

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There is absolutely no downside to signing him aside from like the money they’re spending which glads don’t really give a fuck about

vagrant jacinth
willow tartan
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it's like Seoul signing stalker, no downside

next mesa
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yea

balmy wolf
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Ur still absolutely cringe

next mesa
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a true man's character is revealed during a 6 month long off season

hot onyx
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A true mans hopium is revealed when his team loses a top 5 support duo in exchange for a couple of mid tier nobodies

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@balmy wolf @plush grail

willow tartan
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i am unironically so dead without owl

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literally the only thing that brings me dopamine anymore

balmy wolf
balmy wolf
willow tartan
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my life is overwatch league

hot onyx
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Your team has happy memories

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Relive them

worn falcon
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Except season 1

tropic herald
next mesa
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AT

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they are cracked

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not denying that

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but

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gotta take it more seriously bro

willow tartan
north relic
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?

balmy wolf
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this guy

noble nexus
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sad to see tbh

willow tartan
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i agree but it is what it is

sullen berry
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Marbs down bad without OWL huh

balmy wolf
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what

next mesa
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I'm down bad without owl

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Sadge

sullen berry
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Look at his waistline

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Losing weight without esports content

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Levy's has just ballooned ever since he put on the hat

plush grail
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Don't pretend like dridro kaan isn't top 5

hot onyx
gusty rampart
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Suck my balls

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FD underrated

earnest leaf
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Me thinks fdgod is an actually really good player that got caught up in shock crumbling

vagrant cargo
next mesa
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omegalol

willow tartan
north relic
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imagine reasoning againist luigi

cedar oasis
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I believe Luigi is correct

sullen berry
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who

tawdry hamlet
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Kaan is good and all but you can't say fdgod fielder is worse than Kaan dridro lmao

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Last season so many flex supports showed insane promise

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Like Gnj Kaan iris mmonk all went crazy

earnest leaf
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I feel like fielder gets underrated so hard

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He's been consistently top 5 for the last two years and almost never has bad matches

tawdry hamlet
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I feel like his Ana is forgotten by a lot of people for some reason

earnest leaf
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If he wasn't stuck on ping all season long in s3 he would have been top 3 alongside viol2t/alarm

tawdry hamlet
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Gangnamjin in the first stage of season 4 is what myunbong was supposed to turn into 😭

earnest leaf
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I think myunbong ended up being a diamond in the rough kinda scenario

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Where everyone around him was so bad he looked good

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but ended up decent at best

tawdry hamlet
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I think he was an above average fs on a very bad team and then when his team caught up he only looked above average on Ana and that's about it

earnest leaf
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yea

tawdry hamlet
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He still has some insane ana mechanics tho

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Him and Kaan Ana mechanics are goated

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Kaan nades 😍

earnest leaf
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I hope gnj pops off next year

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man was nutty in s3 but florida hard tanked and he got dragged down

tawdry hamlet
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Puzzles me as to why Jjangu and Muze were dropped, I don't get it even in a 5v5 scenario they were solid players 😭

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Houston upgrade by grabbing iris to replace Crimzo and adding pelican, then they pick up a washed lastro 😭

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I don't understand Houston roster moves like ever lmao

earnest leaf
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I think lastro is a good complimentary FS

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and just gotta hope his brig is good

tawdry hamlet
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He's a good like not played much only there for double fs meta guy yeah but I wouldn't want him as a main FS on a team anymore, interesting to see how he even fits

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Also still can't believe Dallas had a shot to make the super roster to best Shanghai and they grabbed Edison and whomegalul for dps

earnest leaf
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the new hitscan for dallas iirc was a diamond in the rough

mortal cipher
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Which one

earnest leaf
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shit team but he was just tiers above them, will have to see though

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also rush said Edison wasn't used properly

sullen berry
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they burned a massive hole in their roster budget for the past 4 years, then they're looking at Gladiators who managed with someone nobody team called OZ Gaming and a hot prospect from GZ Charge

mortal cipher
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Edison was fine just haven’t been brought fully to his quote potential

sullen berry
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I am purposely leaving out moth, must have cost the most during season 3 offseason

tawdry hamlet
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I will trust Rush Ritalin far more than sephy synthetic marijuana

mortal cipher
tawdry hamlet
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Hmm I wonder what Washington will be like

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Kalios and happy for dog shit fury and Jerry

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Hmm

mortal cipher
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I haven’t heard of Washington in awhile

earnest leaf
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mid again with peaks of greatness

tawdry hamlet
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Honestly it just sounds like replacing mid with mid lmaoo

mortal cipher
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Mid with only Decay

tawdry hamlet
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Mid with someone who hasn't put on a star worthy performance in ages but is still regarded as top 5 by many lmao

mortal cipher
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Fr

tawdry hamlet
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Like even Carpe puts on banger matches still even if he doesn't win then there's decay

mortal cipher
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Last time I was impressed was him on Zarya

tawdry hamlet
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Profit tracer is honestly kind of epic, I enjoy

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Still don't know who the best tracer is though

earnest leaf
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atm I would say leave

mortal cipher
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Yeah

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ATP said leave

earnest leaf
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man literally dragged a mid table team to playoffs over and over

mortal cipher
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Yeah like 3 times

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And about beat shock

earnest leaf
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we'll have to see how striker does

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this year

mortal cipher
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Boston shocker

tawdry hamlet
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Leave, fleta/lip they're interchangeable at this point lmao, Yaki/profit idk who's better atm, are my top

mortal cipher
tawdry hamlet
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Striker I haven't seen play the hero recently enough

mortal cipher
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I would say leave lip or fleta

earnest leaf
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yaki easy top 5 if his team isn't cheeks

mortal cipher
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Tru

tawdry hamlet
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I think below all those names is decay carpe shax

mortal cipher
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Florida was sad to see after last year

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Flora???

tawdry hamlet
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Kevster is who I'm forgetting

mortal cipher
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Right

tawdry hamlet
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Idk how good to rate Kevster or pelican tracer gif_KnightCheer

earnest leaf
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Leave/Yaki/Kevster/Striker/Lip top 5 tracers (if striker goes back to normal)

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in no particular order

mortal cipher
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I’m excited to see Patiphan tracer

tawdry hamlet
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In this house we Stan Ans Fits Happy Tracer 😤

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We love watching mainly snipers forced to play tracer !

mortal cipher
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Yee

earnest leaf
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lmao

mortal cipher
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Wouldn’t that also be Lip and fleta tracer as well

tawdry hamlet
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Edison tracer was always rated kind of high I wonder how it is now

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Edison Sparkle Mirror are the best 👊 players in owl currently 😤

mortal cipher
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Lol

tawdry hamlet
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And by that I mean they're the only ones I've seen play that shit hero in the last year

mortal cipher
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Which shite hero

tawdry hamlet
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Doomfist gifKingLaughing

mortal cipher
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Ah Right

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I’d say sparkle and Edison are the only dooms I remember

tawdry hamlet
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Also Lowkey leave and sparkle genji is really close now I don't think sparkle is that much better

mortal cipher
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I can’t remember mirror doom

earnest leaf
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mirror doom very good

mortal cipher
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I forgot him@play doom

tawdry hamlet
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I remember checkmate mirror sparkle Edison blase and that's it I think

mortal cipher
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I remember him@on echo

earnest leaf
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mirror is good at silly heroes

mortal cipher
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Yeah

tawdry hamlet
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His hero pool is like mei doomfist torb lmaoo

mortal cipher
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Yeah makes sense

tawdry hamlet
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Leave vs Sparkle Genji though 😳

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It's getting closer

mortal cipher
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OOp

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I wonder

tawdry hamlet
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The sparkle genji gap is slowly declining the more leave forces that godforsaken hero

mortal cipher
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Wasn’t sparkle the best Genji

tawdry hamlet
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I swear leave forces genji at least once a game

earnest leaf
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sparkle is like the only genji player that plays him well with his team

mortal cipher
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Yeah

earnest leaf
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a lot of genjis are flashy af and are blade otps

tawdry hamlet
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Like the second leave or sparkle get uncomfortable they swap genji a lot lmao

mortal cipher
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He’s the only player that plays genji a lot

tawdry hamlet
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Carpe and Linkzr genji tho 😳

mortal cipher
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Oo

tawdry hamlet
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Actually cracked

mortal cipher
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Agilities Genji

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Or Whoru

earnest leaf
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agilities dragged toronto in the summer showdown

tawdry hamlet
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Whoru better but agilities was actually really good

earnest leaf
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whoru got bogged by nyxl rip

mortal cipher
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Sad

tawdry hamlet
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He gave Logix so much setup Logix looked competent for a tourney lmao

mortal cipher
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Lol

tawdry hamlet
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Like looking back I remember at first it's like damn Logix is hitting his shots but most of them are like target practice shots set up by teammates

mortal cipher
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Ah

tawdry hamlet
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mortal cipher
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Just the better players have improved

vapid basin
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goats made everyone improve imo

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rose the standard of play so hard

mortal cipher
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As well as being the worse comp / Meta

cedar oasis
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Nah

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Have you seen the level of play in apac

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It's either the best or the worst

plush grail
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@willow tartan @hot onyx you bread munching primates will have to apolagize to me when paris ends up being top 5 because of their top tier support line popping off

earnest leaf
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Glister gonna have to drag that team to be above .500

hot onyx
plush grail
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Shut up

cedar oasis
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Paris will be top 5

vagrant cargo
last nimbus
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wasnt rapel terrible last szn

hot onyx
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Yes

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Bottom 5 fs

next mesa
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hey you

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yeah you

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shut the fuck up

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@rusty

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fucking loser

random magnet
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<@&397922982632226816>

cedar oasis
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Yea fuck off rusty

balmy wolf
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bruh

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pls give me regular

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ffs

noble nexus
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no stfu

balmy wolf
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fuck u jack

noble nexus
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I'm tryna give you advice

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asking for regular is why you're not gonna get it back

willow tartan
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i like paris but that is a vast amount of delusion and that's coming from me

vagrant cargo
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on what hero is jecse better

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on besides MAYBE lucio

balmy wolf
tawdry hamlet
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I'd still take s4 Dallas supports over Paris lmao Kaan is good but you guys are smoking something

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Then again main support wasn't that relevant since masaa and jecse we're like top 4 last year and they're literally just mid with a Lucio

next mesa
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Jecse wasn't bad but he's not that good mechanically

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Just on dallas

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Chiyo is unironically big upgrade

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And the only upgrade they needed

north relic
noble nexus
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yeah they're all braindead

cedar oasis
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Nah

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Paris all the way

willow tartan
next mesa
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I don't think so but their hitscans pickups underwhelming

noble nexus
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I feel feel like hitscan and MS were both kinda unneeded last season for most teams considering they barely had any meta heroes

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plus a lot of fdps can pick up the easier hitscans

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and most FS players can play brig and brig was the only actually important MS

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the only HS that was really important was sombra and she can be played by a bunch of fdps to a really high level

noble nexus
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Hi Luigi :)

mortal cipher
balmy wolf
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Hey Luigi

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Gimme a kiss

worn falcon
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Rip Toronto

earnest leaf
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3 year deals

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Yea they gave twilight some fat fucking stacks then

worn falcon
willow tartan
twilit oriole
plush bridge
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if they dont want someone on the team anymore next year they have to pay him 2 years worth of his contract

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or they bench them and have to pay 2 players

twilit oriole
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I mean that team has stacked players, don’t see why they would release them unless they flop amazingly hard

plush bridge
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yeah but they have to stick to that team for 3 years

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while everyone else is getting upgrades

twilit oriole
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There are multiple teams that might have done the same thing

plush grail
noble nexus
plush grail
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go away

noble nexus
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rude

vagrant jacinth
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3 year deal is a crazy commitment

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Good for the players though I guess, they got some security

noble nexus
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philly did it with carpe and it worked out fairly well

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he's not bad

next mesa
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Florida also did it with yaki and uhh

noble nexus
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barbeque?

next mesa
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No just yaki

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But ya know didn't go exactly perfect

noble nexus
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oh

willow tartan
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LIP was signed for 3 years im pretty sure

worn falcon
noble nexus
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I saw that

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He’s gonna get hella overrated now

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I do think he’ll be pretty good tho

twilit oriole
static pond
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So um anyone know the.new.player on valient

willow tartan
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very good at the video game

static pond
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Every player in the league is very good at the video game lol

willow tartan
#

well he's a player who was on team cc with nohill (coach of LAV)

#

like diya, expected to see some of the team cc players get promoted

static pond
#

Tbh I feel like they be better then nyxl

#

At least there looking like it

willow tartan
#

thats cuz nyxl hasnt signed shit

static pond
#

Yup

#

There leaks

#

Yaki

willow tartan
#

yes yaki and gnj would be very very epic

static pond
#

Then um

#

That main support from uprising

#

Apparently getting signed with nyxl

willow tartan
#

you mean flex?

next mesa
#

biggest owl robbery last year: diya and innovation

gusty rampart
#

NYXL is looking quite good actually

#

Yaki, GNJ, Kellen, and Myunbong

#

Flora too

#

All really really solid pickups

static pond
#

Idk about yaki I feel like it better to have flora and a other flex

#

Flora has showcase he can be very good with tracer while able to flex to some hitscan

earnest leaf
#

yaki is a nut case

#

imo he should be in most of the time

static pond
#

Depends who they pick up next

#

For a flex role

tawdry hamlet
#

Yaki > Flora > Eileen/Choi > architect RadicalBroski

next mesa
#

Why are we comparing yaki and flora

#

They compliment eachother

#

Flora is literally a hitscan

#

Yaki should be on tracer no question

vagrant jacinth
#

Innovation, let's gooo

vagrant jacinth
plush grail
#

Nobody CARES

#

About valiant

#

I want Paris news

balmy wolf
#

i want shock news

noble nexus
#

I want to cry alone at night

cursive plover
#

don''t we all

noble nexus
#

Nah I don’t think so

plush grail
noble nexus
#

Your relationship is fake

plush grail
#

my gf is legit in this server

noble nexus
#

Yeah ok bro

#

Remember to take your meds

plush grail
#

i will not

#

take them

#

just to spite you

noble nexus
#

Aight

#

🥐

plush grail
#

me when paris

noble nexus
#

Me when your father

#

😳

plush grail
#

dont talk about my dad please

noble nexus
#

Aight

plush grail
#

average glads fan

noble nexus
#

Aight

plush grail
#

aight

noble nexus
#

Aight

plush grail
#

paris news

#

just dropped

#

paris destroyed the dallas

noble nexus
#

Didn’t ask

plush grail
#

nobody loves u

balmy wolf
#

Hey hotties

plush grail
#

marbel down bad

north relic
balmy wolf
noble nexus
#

embarrassing

vagrant jacinth
#

Paris 🤢

noble nexus
#

facts

plush grail
#

Sad

hot onyx
willow tartan
gusty rampart
#

Y'all act like it's new news that NYXL waits to drop their entire roster via videos

static pond
#

I wanna hear coaching news lol

#

They had a decent roster but bad coaches last season

willow tartan
#

cant be any worse

next mesa
#

Kuki? Lol

static pond
#

Nyxl head coach that they let go pretty much trash the players

#

In his goodbye

fallen turret
#

What was wrong with Florida’s roster other than oge last year?

plush grail
#

That's not real dumbass

static pond
#

Ngl I laugh when chadmate was on tank it was funny

willow tartan
#

maybe they just werent clicking as a team

earnest leaf
#

When you're a dive team and your main dive tank is inconsistent as fuck, your team is just gonna crumble

tawdry hamlet
#

Myunbong yaki Flora gangnamjin in exchange for s4 jjonak isn't a bad trade for NYXL as far as pickups vs let goes

#

Pick up diem for double sniper sheesh 😳

tawdry hamlet
next mesa
#

yes

tropic herald
mortal cipher
#

Yikes

next solstice
covert mortar
noble nexus
#

Empathy is a mod

#

discord has role icons now

next solstice
earnest leaf
north relic
willow tartan
#

He's our Shanghai Dragons representative in the staff team

mortal cipher
#

Love to see it

balmy wolf
#

would people think valiant rn being a top 3 team in apac with the current roster?

mortal abyss
#

Probably

next mesa
#

not yet

mortal abyss
#

Shanghai then chengdu but we’ll see how nyxl pan out

#

But they are looking really good

next mesa
#

shanghai seoul obviously and then id put chengdu above them for now

#

especially if they sign apr1ta

mortal abyss
#

I forgor 💀 about seoul

next mesa
#

im not high on woohyal and we'll have to see how coldest pans out again

#

innovation and diya excellent start though

balmy wolf
#

they got nohill as the coach so my expectations are high

next mesa
#

thats true

willow tartan
#

Honestly with NYE LAV and PHI all not having complete rosters yet its hard to say who will take the second and third slots

#

those three are the wild cards

earnest leaf
#

I'm gonna fully watch apac this year

#

so I can make sure when people praise apac they aren't full of shit

willow tartan
#

imagine not watching both NA and APAC

next mesa
#

yeah lol kinda cringe

earnest leaf
#

Not my fault 90%% of apac was dogshit last year

gusty rampart
#

^^^^^

#

Like 4 of the teams were free wins

#

Valiant, Spark, NYXL, and Charge

earnest leaf
#

I never watched apac, but got more points off apac pick ems compared to NA pick ems

gusty rampart
#

I dominated pickems when I actually remembered to do them

#

I got top 10 global for Summer Showdown LOL

raw ermine
willow tartan
static pond
sullen berry
#

@raw ermine wake up hun, it's a new signing

rustic obsidian
#

Do you like my avatar

tawdry hamlet
# gusty rampart Valiant, Spark, NYXL, and Charge

Ok tbf people always say this to show apac was way worse than na last year but like, Toronto Paris Boston Houston Florida Washington Vancouver would all actually struggle against Spark or Nyxl or Seoul I think in s4 lmao

#

The mid of na was pretty shit too the only difference being na has more teams

#

I'm not saying apac was any good besides Shanghai Chengdu but like Na was mid as fuck too besides like 4 teams which na having more teams in general makes sense

next mesa
#

Seoul would still be top 4

#

In NA

earnest leaf
#

Na was full of legit just mid tier teams

#

most of apac was straight bad

#

But NA at least had 5 teams duking it out most of the season

#

at the top

#

Also they need to change up how play-ins work for mid season tourneys

tawdry hamlet
#

I mean what's even funnier is Shanghai would farm both regions loll

#

Wild how big the end of season gap was

#

I think even on lan that gap was fat

earnest leaf
#

that is what happens when ball/sombra is meta and the team has the best sombra and ball players on their team

tawdry hamlet
#

I mean come on in every single meta except meicree rein they farm it wasn't just the Sombra ball imo

earnest leaf
#

If the meta did not include sombra and ball, I think shd still wins out, but the gap wouldn't be so large

tawdry hamlet
#

Yee

#

I wonder who wins Houston vs spark

#

In s4

earnest leaf
#

Depends on which houston

next mesa
#

Don't make it sound like they only won because of ball sombra meta bro because they literally defined it

earnest leaf
#

braindead dive spam houston

next mesa
#

Depends which spark too

earnest leaf
#

or good houston that forces jjangguu

next mesa
#

If spark runs shy on cree or Ashe and hard pockets him they win imo

tawdry hamlet
#

Problem is Joobi only played Lucio so Houston had a bottom 3 main support jake in 80 percent of metas 😭

earnest leaf
#

I know shd would still win the season 9/10 if ball sombra weren't meta, but you can't deny the meta did play into their hands very well

#

Same goes for dallas most of the season, were they got lucky meta wise but were still a really good team

tawdry hamlet
#

Imagine if Houston had a real main support last season

#

And no dreamer

earnest leaf
#

All they had to do was just play joobi

next mesa
#

That's not called luck though

fallen turret
#

Joobi brig was fine when Houston played 5 shield meta

#

In ss

next mesa
#

Just skill

earnest leaf
#

If there was a hard hitscan meta, dallas would have gotten shafted

next mesa
#

No they wouldn't

#

There was cree

#

But guess what

#

They adapted

#

That's not being lucky

#

There wasn't like

#

Big balance updates

earnest leaf
#

cree in rush is so far different than other hitscans in other metas

next mesa
#

Throughout the season

earnest leaf
#

Because the playstyle can be mimicked with other heroes

next mesa
#

Even playing field

tawdry hamlet
#

Like jjangu piggy danteh happy Crimzo and literally anyone besides Jake or Joobi is solid upper mid tier team

earnest leaf
#

A playstyle like S3 metas with double shield and ashe mercy and shit can't be mimicked very easily

#

and cree stopped getting use because dallas showed how busted sym was

tawdry hamlet
#

Houston with moth last season would have been like goated

earnest leaf
#

I just want people to know that meta and balance changes can absolutely let a team perform even better

next mesa
#

You can make that argument for any team though

earnest leaf
#

Like widow/ashe being hard meta all season long in s3, and shock had the best widow/ashe player

next mesa
#

Oh shock was lucky there wasn't a hard doom Genji meta

#

Last year

#

Damn must put asterix on their ring

#

Like nah

earnest leaf
#

I'm not denying the wins of any teams

#

mf all i'm saying is some metas can make some teams even better compared to others

#

Like paris in s3 giga dicked teams with genji

#

when they would get farmed by those same teams before the genji meta

#

Or a hog meta where philly got gapped to the moon, but were good all season long (outside of tourneys)

next mesa
#

You can argue that as a big balance changes that shook hl the meta though even though I think that shouldn't be an excuse

#

Game had minimal changes throughout the season

#

The difference is Shanghai found their meta

earnest leaf
#

I'm not using it as an excuse

#

u chimp

#

all i'm saying

#

is that teams can benefit from certain metas

#

And it can make them look a lot different compared to other metas

next mesa
#

Yea and I'm just saying like every team does

#

I just think there's no need to like

#

Say

#

Dragons got lucky ball sombra was meta

#

When they invented it

earnest leaf
#

hasn't chengdu been doing ball sombra for years

#

Also barely any balance changes last year was boring as fuck ngl

next mesa
#

Yes but only on koth sometimes

#

Like Shanghai was the one that was like

#

"this is how u play it"

#

Watch and learn bitch

tacit skiff
#

hello eSports lovers

#

no way I lost the regular role

#

:(

#

racist

#

fucking Dink is a regular and I'm not

balmy wolf
#

yeah same

#

it makes no sense at all

#

been active all the time for 1 year

#

15k messages

noble nexus
#

BabyRage

balmy wolf
noble nexus
#

🥴

hot onyx
#

Marbel is now experiencing the struggles that I had to go through for a year

balmy wolf
#

well

#

th bad part is

#

that i had it

#

and they took it away

#

for no reason

plush grail
#

who

tacit skiff
#

yeah what are the reasons you can get regular taken away

#

I talk primarily in the eSports chat and it's the off-season

#

y'all expect me to be active every hour of every day

#

nothing's happening anymore either

#

apart from the Los Angeles Fraudliant signing nobodies

plush grail
#

the fact that you're whining so much about regular

#

proves u dont care about this chat

#

but just want the special role

tacit skiff
#

why would I care about the special role in a server I only speak in one channel in

plush grail
#

?????

north relic
sullen berry
#

imagine collecting server roles

#

can't be me

tacit skiff
#

😐

balmy wolf
#

bro i just wanna send images ffs

#

i talked for half a year to get it

#

also my name looks shit without blue

forest raven
#

L Bozo

vapid basin
#

half a year ? I got it in like 2 weeks

#

maybe 3

noble nexus
#

BOZO

balmy wolf
noble nexus
#

that's crazy because I didn't ask lol

balmy wolf
#

man at the bottom of his game

#

thats sad to watch

hot onyx
#

Jack stop talking to non-regulars

noble nexus
#

oh shit my bad Sans

balmy wolf
#

i approve

tacit skiff
noble nexus
#

big upgrade

hot onyx
#

Still not Shu though

noble nexus
#

they'll never get another Shu

tacit skiff
#

Shu2 is coming out soon

balmy wolf
#

has valiant gotten a tank or support yet?

noble nexus
#

they have Woohyal on offtank

turbid cargo
#

How is the valiant lineup looking so far

vagrant jacinth
#

Veteran is the only role that matters 😎

vagrant cargo
willow tartan
vagrant jacinth
#

Agreed

next mesa
#

molly

#

solid

fallen turret
#

Are they trading or…

#

Also now Shanghai need a second flex maybe

next mesa
#

well

#

we have seen ljg play a passable bap

gusty rampart
vagrant jacinth
#

How good is becky?

north relic
sullen berry
#

In 2022 we'll have another golden age of flex supports, if new main supports are less likely to be signed on

noble nexus
#

Shu was always considered super good tho

#

Molly IMO is mid with a good ana

hot onyx
#

Tbf the current Charge roster looks like the dictionary definition of “mid”

#

Develop CSW Eileen Cr0ng Rio Unique Molly

noble nexus
#

I think they have a few players that can potentially be above average

#

Nothing crazy tho

hot onyx
#

Maybe trade Rio for 800 and perhaps make a move on Aprita and it’s better

noble nexus
#

I also just realised Rio is still signed and now I’m in a bad mood

hot onyx
#

Was that confirmed or is it just rumoured?

noble nexus
#

Idk I’m just assuming cuz they’d have had their goodbye post bye now

plush grail
#

ur all mid

#

and shit

noble nexus
#

Mustn’t be talking to me

balmy wolf
#

L

hot onyx
#

Incorrect opinion from the bozo

noble nexus
#

Facts bestie

plush grail
willow tartan
#

honestly, being called mid is a compliment

#

ill take being middle of the pack sunglassesvery3dcool

next mesa
#

says dragons fan

willow tartan
#

how does that have anything to do with anything i said

noble nexus
#

Ok dragons fan

#

We get it

willow tartan
#

not talking to you nerd

noble nexus
#

🙄

plush grail
#

All of you just went down a rank on the Ed regular ranking

willow tartan
#

at least im still in the ranking unlike certain individuals trollformation

noble nexus
#

Honestly fuck the rankings

#

The only people that matter are Empathy and Michael

vagrant jacinth
#

Idk Michael but empathy's a real 1

plush grail
#

You are subhuman

#

A filthy raccoon man

willow tartan
#

we aren't talking about those pesky humans

#

we're talking about regulars ranking

plush grail
#

Shut up animal

vagrant jacinth
#

Off season got ed turning on each other

willow tartan
#

Nah, this is regular season standard

#

fuck ian

plush grail
next mesa
#

Who's michael

balmy wolf
#

Bro

#

Levy

#

If ur serious

#

Imma whoop yo ass

next mesa
#

Wait

#

Marbel I didn't know ur name was Michael wtf

north relic
#

levy are you serious

#

hopium got to his brain

hot onyx
plush grail
#

Do it

hot onyx
#

Aight then brb

hot onyx
#

I have lost a drastic amount of blood and require medical assistance

novel owl
#

what did i just read

fallen turret
#

Why

tawdry hamlet
#

Molly 😤

#

I wanna see Eileen on a team that doesn't have an orisa one trick and a meme tier backline since s4 Lowkey made me think he is kind of shit now Lowkey

#

But we know he's got high peaks 😤

gusty rampart
#

But like

#

KariV is still pretty decent

#

Sad to see him go

fallen turret
#

Were season 3 charge carried by shu, happy, and Nero? Or were Eileen and crong actually as good as people say they were? Idk I started following the league in s4

mortal abyss
#

Nero didn’t play that much in S3, eileen was really good all year long but specifically shined in the summer showdown on genji and cr0ng was a monster on sig

fallen turret
#

Got it

next mesa
#

Replace Nero with Eileen and yes

#

Also crong is legit

#

Didn't get carried

earnest leaf
#

man remember when a sig otp got a role star spot over smurf

#

very unlucky

fallen turret
#

Wasn’t he an mvp candidate?

earnest leaf
#

crong was in s3 I think?

#

no was eileen

#

Choi/viol2t were mvp candidates from shock in s3

#

wait i'm dumb crong was a candidate

fallen turret
#

I wonder if there’s going to be an equivalent from s4

#

Mvp candidate who looked really good last season becomes bottom-mid

#

I can’t see the happening to any of this years options tho

next mesa
#

Last year there were way too many MVP candidates LMAO

earnest leaf
#

iirc some staff member voted molanran for mvp

#

That guy made some strange picks for other categories as well

tawdry hamlet
#

He's washed 😤

earnest leaf
#

I'm bored

#

i'm gonna do predictions for role star and shit, and see if any of it comes true

tawdry hamlet
#

Ok,
Faith vs Ansoonjae vs Closer vs Slime vs Friday vs Mandu vs whomegalul was on spark

earnest leaf
#

Faith

#

Slime is a good lucio/mercy, like A tier, but very meh brig

#

Closer was just meh

#

and idk about apac ones

tawdry hamlet
#

Ok but eqo vs danteh

earnest leaf
#

I'd take danteh personally

tawdry hamlet
#

Why does eqo get so much hate 😭

earnest leaf
#

Not korean

#

meme aside, because he isn't played as much as other players

tawdry hamlet
#

KSF I wish he had a shot to play game one more time 😭

earnest leaf
#

But I prefer danteh cuz sombra/tracer

tawdry hamlet
#

Besides mei for danteh balls surgery

earnest leaf
#

Never really knew how good ksf was

#

since he was always behind good players

tawdry hamlet
#

Yeah

#

He did alright I think

#

If Crimzo was Korean you think he'd be rated higher?

earnest leaf
#

I think any western player would get rated higher if they were korean

#

Not by a large margin, but at least some

#

just western players get a bit underrated at times

tawdry hamlet
#

Wish they did some owl content at a loss, run random tourneys 😡 short season sucked

#

But they can't even get ow content let alone owl lmao

fallen turret
#

Joobi vs mandu vs ansoonjae vs Mika vs idk vs slime vs closer vs Jake?

tawdry hamlet
#

Jake vs Kellex vs Neptuno vs Joobi vs Fire

earnest leaf
#

joobi best lucio

tawdry hamlet
#

I'd unironically take Jake 💀

earnest leaf
#

unironically jake probably the best brig

tawdry hamlet
#

Neptuno vs Kellex vs Fire for worst week one main support hmm

earnest leaf
#

Stand1 vs Marve1 Vs Changsik

tawdry hamlet
#

Marve1 easily for me I think

#

Oge instead of changsik

#

Hmm

fallen turret
#

Also add dreamer

tawdry hamlet
#

For some reason Florida's early success still makes me rate oge higher than I should

earnest leaf
#

florida's early success because oge decided to play well

#

also he hard fucking gapped mag on rein to get into the tourney

tawdry hamlet
#

Shredlock vs Hadi 💀

earnest leaf
#

Shredlock

#

Shredlock was pretty meh, but not really bad

tawdry hamlet
#

Shredlock wins the monkey and the rein was even

earnest leaf
#

Hadi just did a lot of questionable stuff

tawdry hamlet
#

Hadi ball might be better idk he won eu contenders with it a lot

earnest leaf
#

Will see if any of these come true

fallen turret
#

I hope yaki gets something for once

earnest leaf
#

yaki op

tawdry hamlet
#

Yaki deserves recognition already 😭

fallen turret
#

Imagine yaki shy dps duo

tawdry hamlet
#

He's literally profit tier and everyone ignores it

fallen turret
#

Imagine yaki and shy on good teams

tawdry hamlet
#

Factual

earnest leaf
#

But I don't think my predictions are that out there

#

a bit bold

tawdry hamlet
#

Missed an opportunity to drop architect for yaki hehe

fallen turret
#

Should Toronto have signed finale or resigned naist?

earnest leaf
#

no idea how good finale is

#

but na1st was super mid

tawdry hamlet
#

Naist was below assassin and Valentine and even with teru imo

#

Also blase on echo kind of fucked last year 😈

#

Lmao

earnest leaf
#

I do wonder if blase is at least decent or not

#

Since he always got signed to omega bad teams

tawdry hamlet
#

His doomfist is capable as it is like his thing kind of like mirror imo

#

And his echo is like B tier

earnest leaf
#

yea he reminds me of mirror

#

Silly hero specialist

tawdry hamlet
#

Hydration loll

#

Zyxx or whatever his name was

#

Mei guy

fallen turret
#

Hydration vs chadmate rein duel who wins

earnest leaf
#

hydration

tawdry hamlet
#

Checkmate vs Mirror vs Teru vs Blase

fallen turret
#

Mirror

tawdry hamlet
#

Good team bias makes me want to say mirror but idk

earnest leaf
#

hard since checkmate played one map of dps

#

so probably mirror

tawdry hamlet
#

Mirror is the most proven of them at least

#

He competently played rounds in s4

fallen turret
#

Molanran LosAngelesValiant

tawdry hamlet
#

Teru had some major popoffs

#

Like Valentine

#

I just wanna see more of molanran hehe

#

Idk why

#

He's just silly player

earnest leaf
#

banana man

tawdry hamlet
#

DDing and Luffy could've had solid careers as Lucio/pharah one tricks if the season wasn't so short and dry of money

#

Imagine Luffy instead of slime 😈