esports-discussion

[vagrant cargo]

Potential to go lower IF tobi flops

[next mesa]

There's questions about vindaim but I think he's good

And I think

The fact that no ot

Shouldn't be too concerning

[vagrant cargo]

Also Toronto are better on hitscan MT MS FS and OT is p even since both piggy and hotba are good mechanicaly

Also the biggest questionmark is tobi

[next mesa]

Arnold specifically said

[vagrant cargo]

if tobi Flops that backline is hella mediocre

[next mesa]

Yeah

Tobi i didn't know about HC

[vagrant cargo]

and smurf is also kinda meh on ball rein

[next mesa]

But I feel like he would make those group of big egos work

[vagrant cargo]

i mean yeah i think seoul are A

[next mesa]

His ball's good enough

[vagrant cargo]

that dps line is stupid op

[next mesa]

That's fair

Lmao ikr

[hot onyx]

Seoul is just going to place 7th-10th again like every year

[next mesa]

Nah

No more gesture on our team

It's gg

[vagrant cargo]

i mean i can see that too

[next mesa]

Fusion on the other hand

Either yikes

Or

Carpe goes crazy

[hot onyx]

Depends on what side of the coin they flip

[next mesa]

FOR ALARM 🙏🙏🙏

[fallen turret]

There’s almost no flex supports left for the teams that still need them

[vagrant cargo]

like Shanghai shock dallas glads Toronto Chengdu are all better than seoul already imo

[hot onyx]

🙏

[next mesa]

Only agree with shanghai

[hot onyx]

Clestyn is essentially guaranteed

[vagrant cargo]

if Houston get like diem sado fdgod id take them as well

[next mesa]

And maybe dallas

[vagrant cargo]

and valiant w nohill fucks

[hot onyx]

Fusion could sign Sado Junbin Kellan or JJANGGU

[vagrant cargo]

Atlanta potentialy as well

[hot onyx]

Or they could shoot themselves in the cock and sign Belosrea

[next mesa]

Toronto tank line has hotba

[vagrant cargo]

and NYXL also has potential

[next mesa]

Also we diff them DPS wise

[vagrant cargo]

hotba is fine for solo tank

[hot onyx]

Hotba was literally good last year

[next mesa]

Fusion fan talk

[vagrant cargo]

and heesu goes hard and torontos other DPS is appereantly a nutty signing

[hot onyx]

Top 10 ot tf you on?

[vagrant cargo]

i mean hotba Was indeed not bad

[next mesa]

Hotba was bottom 3 APAC lmao

[vagrant cargo]

and considering mechanics were never an issue i can see him do rlly well in solo tank

[next mesa]

Him being decent for like 1-2 tourneys doesn't excuse him being completely dogshit all the other times

Yeah that's true

I can see hotba being good solo tank

Don't have to peel

[vagrant cargo]

and i might get Flak for this but MuZe>Smurf on any hero not named Winston 🤷‍♂️

[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/DiyaFanpage/status/1467869106250547200

Diya_FanPage (@DiyaFanpage)

Hello everyone, I'm Nohill and it's a pleasure to join the Los Angeles Valiant. Thank you to LGE and LAV for giving me the opportunity to stand on the stage of Overwatch League, together we will work hard for the new season and Overwatch 2. In addition,(1/2)

Twitter · Dec 6, 2021, 2:50 PM

[next mesa]

For some other tank

[next mesa]

I agree rein and maybe ball

[vagrant cargo]

and backline diff is crazy

muze orisa was insane

bro did so much

[next mesa]

Smurf just hasn't played for a season

[hot onyx]

You’re telling me a top 10 ot list of Void Hanbin Space Hawk Lateyoung Choi Piggy Kalios Hotba is bonkers?

[next mesa]

Smurf consensus #1 orisa

[vagrant cargo]

eh

[next mesa]

A season ago

[hot onyx]

That’s 9 I’m braindead

[vagrant cargo]

hard to say when he was benched for Super 🤷‍♂️

[next mesa]

Mental issues

It's now resolved

[vagrant cargo]

is that confirmed?

[next mesa]

W Korean food

Yes

[vagrant cargo]

like that he was benched because of that

[next mesa]

He said it himself in Twitter longpost

[vagrant cargo]

ah

ight

even then MuZe orisa top 2 at worst

[next mesa]

I won't argue muze orisa great

Difference isn't that big either way

Twilight chorong better than jjonak Vindaim

But the DPS gap

Also leak Toronto DPS signing in dms

[vagrant cargo]

i dont know it

but halo said its massive news

[next mesa]

Gawd damn

[vagrant cargo]

and Toronto are only missing a fdps

[next mesa]

Gotta be a flex right

Yeah

There's not like

[vagrant cargo]

my wild guess is haksal

[next mesa]

A super cracked flex left tho

JESUS

That's be actually fucking wild

HAKSAL

dude

[vagrant cargo]

i do think haksal was kinda overrated tho

[next mesa]

That is so cool

Rl

[vagrant cargo]

his pharah mei hanzo never rlly impressed me

but he has that clutch factor

[next mesa]

Haksal is big pp

Idk his PHARAH mei actually good

[hot onyx]

Wrong former NYXL fdps

[next mesa]

Idk why that was capitalized

[hot onyx]

They sign Libero

[next mesa]

Hanzo tho yeah not sure

About that

[vagrant cargo]

i would also be rlly happy with libero

[next mesa]

Haksals been doing good tho I think

Liberos not coming back guys

[vagrant cargo]

or what if Toronto fuck around and steal fleta

[next mesa]

Give up 😭

Bruh

As if

Fletas literally vibing

Most ideal situation

[vagrant cargo]

or hear me out

[next mesa]

I don't think anyone on Shanghai would want to leave

[vagrant cargo]

Toronto sp9rk1e 😈

[next mesa]

U are hard trolling

Fr tho free agent wise

There's not like

A super cracked fdps left

[vagrant cargo]

Im still mad we fumbled yaki and pelican

like

how did we do that

[twilit oriole]

I mean Dallas have 4 DPS lmao

[vagrant cargo]

piggy diff man

[hot onyx]

They did that intentionally to make room for CSW

[twilit oriole]

Like when will Doha really play

Beside sombra metas

[vagrant cargo]

id coom so hard

[next mesa]

Friendship diff

Csw would be nasty

But I'm not sure

[twilit oriole]

Tor are probably trading

[next mesa]

I feel like charge is gonna go hard

Telling csw to stay

Kinda like a Doha situation

[hot onyx]

Defiant sign Moth as a mei player

[next mesa]

PogU

[next mesa]

I doubt Doha sparkle dps line will get benched

Although I agree dohas ceiling isn't very high

And then again

I'm not confident on edison

Or the new rookie

Who didn't even look that good in contenders

[twilit oriole]

Here’s my take, and it’s really hot but

Tor are gonna either get decay Doha fleta fits (only one of them)

[next mesa]

Why do you choose like 3 of the least likely to leave

[hot onyx]

Fits and Doha are no longer FA

[next mesa]

Fits isn't even flex

Even though he can play doom

[hot onyx]

Shanghai essentially said everyone from s4 is staying

[twilit oriole]

Okay scratch fits

[hot onyx]

And Decay is hs

[twilit oriole]

I’m talking trade

[next mesa]

Who would you offer

[twilit oriole]

Still would be nasty for tracer and hitscan

[twilit oriole]

Oml it’s a fckin trade, most of the time for money

[next mesa]

You're not trading heesu lol

Geng doesn't need money

Jesus

[twilit oriole]

A lot of money

[next mesa]

This makes no sense

[twilit oriole]

Bro

Anyone can use money

Like what

[next mesa]

This trade makes absolutely no sense

Fits is essential in their title run

Now if you offer 1 mill for stalker

Then we'll talk

[hot onyx]

MN3 > Fits

[next mesa]

Wrong

[hot onyx]

Seoul fan

[next mesa]

Philly fan

Looks like we're at an impasse

[hot onyx]

Name one player better than MN3

Then we’ll talk impasse-ing

[next mesa]

Fits

Lip

Leave

[hot onyx]

Name one player worse than Lip

[next mesa]

Diya 😎

Every player

In the league

😎😎

[hot onyx]

I will treasure this image for as long as I live

[next mesa]

u dumb bitch

Diya >> MN3 😎😎

Also

innovation

SIGNED

LET'S FUCKIN GOOOOO

Diya innovation

It's over

It's over

It's fucking over

Valiant top 3 APAC oh nonono

Also

I would be willing to put Chengdu same level/above Seoul if they signed aprita

But they didn't 😌

[hot onyx]

Yeah because Innovation has been real good lately huh

[balmy wolf]

i hope dalton gets onto LAV

[hot onyx]

I hope Changsik gets onto Fusion

[balmy wolf]

well i hope roolf gets onto florida

[fallen turret]

Then I hope frd goes to Seoul

[balmy wolf]

i hope hybrid gets onto dallas

[vagrant jacinth]

Roolf

[hot onyx]

I hope Rio gets onto Houston

[next mesa]

Actually he has

[hot onyx]

Haha get it it’s funny because Charge just will not release Rio haha

[next mesa]

Top tier player

[hot onyx]

“Carpe was a top 3 hitscan in season 4”

That’s your current level of delusion

[next mesa]

Not really

Innovation was hella good everytime he played

Insanely cracked tracer as well

[hot onyx]

https://youtu.be/hH5m8toeskc ok

[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/washjustice/status/1467886633248829440

Washington Justice (@washjustice)

𝗧𝗛𝗔𝗡𝗞 𝗬𝗢𝗨!

Today we say thank you to @Furyy_d.

A leader in and out of the game, Fury inspired the team to work harder than ever before. We're happy he's able to continue his Professional Overwatch career while being closer to his family in Korea and wish him the best.

Twitter · Dec 6, 2021, 4:00 PM

did this get posted?

whatever

[vagrant cargo]

YO

HEAR ME OUT

FURY SEOUL

also kalios is the new justice OT

[fallen turret]

Hold up

What

Any chance mag can play ot?

[raw ermine]

lul

[vagrant jacinth]

Fury noo

[vagrant cargo]

Im so smart

[hot onyx]

Fat upgrade for Justice right there

[tropic herald]

And for valiant

[hot onyx]

Man I loved Fury but holy shit he washed up harder than a beached whale on a fratboy island

[vagrant jacinth]

The messiah

[vagrant cargo]

bait?

[hot onyx]

Unlike the Kevster nonsense this is not bait

I did love Fury

[vagrant cargo]

damn

[hot onyx]

Maybe washed up is harsh but man went from being a top 3 off tank to getting hard diffed by Vestola and Michelle

[vagrant jacinth]

I still don't think he's bad

[hot onyx]

Granted there is only so much you can do with a backline like Closer-Bebe-TTuba

But there’s only so much you can blame on a backline

Sado had Michelle AnSoonJae and Lastro on his team and was still consistently good

Mano had Alarm and FunnyAstro and was either invisible or feeding enough to eradicate world hunger

[last nimbus]

ive never heard of those coaches that valiant hired

are they good?

[tacit skiff]

wait Kalios?

this changes a lot of my predictions

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean he was consistently gapped in s4 team diff aside

At times even punk looked better than him

[tepid ibex]

Nohill coached CC

[last nimbus]

ahh

i really hope valiant make some effort for the rest of roster so they can at least be a mid tier team

[vagrant jacinth]

Nah it does look like they're trying this season tbf

[next mesa]

Fury is going to seoul

It's fucking over

Now just get carpe

[raw ermine]

some think he returns to philly

[next mesa]

Carpe fury jjonak the trio

I doubt philly is a more attractive destination but that's also a possibility

Like for some reason fury doesn't strike me as someone that would like go back

[next mesa]

Now will you put Seoul to S tier? 😌

[worn falcon]

Seoul is full smh

inb4 retires

Also

what the fuck

[next mesa]

They said final roster for now

[worn falcon]

Woohyal?

[vagrant cargo]

fury isbt going there

He goes to philly

sad!

[next mesa]

Woohyal is eh

[next mesa]

Nooooo

Wtf

What's ur source

Broooo

Wtf

Nahhhhhh

It makes so much sense man

Fricc

[worn falcon]

https://twitter.com/PRE_owl/status/1467886923058458635

DC Justice - PRE (@PRE_owl)

@Furyy_d @washjustice After many years away from home on several teams in NA Fury felt he needed to be closer to his family in Korea to be at his best, and we did not want to stand in the way of that.
We're happy we found a way to get Fury home while also equipping the Justice for future success (2/2)

Twitter · Dec 6, 2021, 4:01 PM

not gonna be picked then

Maybe Valiant

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1467815944084987917

Arran “Halo” Spake (@haloofthoughts)

It has been announced by the Valiant already on Wiebo but former London Spitfire player Seung-Hyun “Woohyal” Sung has joined the Los Angeles Valiant as a player/coach

Likes

404

Twitter · Dec 6, 2021, 11:19 AM

oh lol

Woohyal gonna be like playercoach Jake

[vagrant cargo]

daily

[worn falcon]

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1467890539274162185

Arran “Halo” Spake (@haloofthoughts)

Here is one of the BIG moves I have been hinting towards https://t.co/surXJd0Ji3

Likes

172

Twitter · Dec 6, 2021, 4:15 PM

BIG moves

smh Halo

[random magnet]

fr? big w

[next mesa]

Plz

Apparently not

But #winnable

U know what philly

It's all good

Take fury

We'll take clestyn

Yoink

[worn falcon]

@next mesahttps://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1467818643920666627?t=sBoZt2CyOMU8k8geHTC2ww&s=19

Arran “Halo” Spake (@haloofthoughts)

According to multiple sources, the Los Angeles Valiant have signed former Team CC DPS player Seok-Hyun “Innovation” Oh

Likes

365

Twitter · Dec 6, 2021, 11:30 AM

innovation taken

[next mesa]

OH YEAHHHH I SAW THAT

FUCK YEAH

Diya Innovation

Dominated contenders too boring yoink yoink

[mortal cipher]

Valiant be decent ???

[vagrant jacinth]

[willow tartan]

valiant be not worst team in their region? pog

[balmy wolf]

I’m starting an open league with free and buy ins available if anyone is interested.

DM for details

In custom na-2 if anyone wants to talk about it

[hot onyx]

._..

[vagrant cargo]

LMFAO

[next mesa]

Actually

Halo commented on it

And he's not reporting on any philly news 👀 sooo

[vapid basin]

who does everyone think the best dps in the owl are right now?

[tropic herald]

lip

[vapid basin]

i dont know if hes the best, but i really enjoy watching birdring and profit play

[gusty rampart]

LIP

[fallen turret]

Lip, pelican, fleta, leave, kevster

Yaki is one of my favorite players, but idk if could compete up against those guys

[next mesa]

agree!

he is one of the best

will reclaim throne

Im sold

Fury to seoul

ntb's sources probably smoking crack IDK

https://twitter.com/daebakowl/status/1467980364505305092?s=21 sexy

daebakowl (@daebakowl)

Not just FITS but all of them! ㅋㅋㅋ https://t.co/NQ2xw1Ilh9 https://t.co/IUUF0zlrzE

▶ Play video

Twitter · Dec 6, 2021, 10:12 PM

[vagrant cargo]

Same guy leaked kalios justice so

[next mesa]

SUSSY

my hopium is that

Halo wouldn't comment on anything Philly related

unless it's like to rebuttal

and he commented on fury

[sullen berry]

JJonak arrive https://twitter.com/daebakowl/status/1468023858242404356

daebakowl (@daebakowl)

@Basee21681 He's been there! https://t.co/C24vfy1cTc

▶ Play video

Twitter · Dec 7, 2021, 1:05 AM

[next mesa]

EZ

WE WINNING THE SHAMPIONSHIP

[earnest leaf]

I still wish seoul improved their support line more

[tepid ibex]

They already have

Trust in vindaim

[vagrant jacinth]

Profit the goat

[vapid basin]

profit is the goat

[vagrant cargo]

no

[balmy wolf]

no

[next mesa]

Jjonak vindaim is good

They might've been able to grab chorong

But I'm sure vindaim was like wayyyy cheaper & I'm not too mad

Vindaim is great

[gusty rampart]

He can at his amazing peak

God I love Yaki

[next mesa]

????

[vagrant cargo]

He is the King of apac now.

He will go to nyxl

and seoul sign hotba from Toronto

and we get gargoyle instead

[vagrant jacinth]

Agreed

Yaki can be nuts

[next mesa]

Wait isn't that Mano or I'm TRIPPIN

[trail perch]

I think it is...

[plush grail]

its fury

i think

its not mano because i would for sure recognise mano

i have his face on my wall

[trail perch]

Bro its mano

[plush grail]

its not

also mano is in the military

why the fuck would he be in apac owl

[trail perch]

actually yeah ur right mano has more forehead showing

[vagrant cargo]

are u blind

[trail perch]

yes.

[north relic]

Justice nyxl play off tank roulette

[hot onyx]

Can’t wait to see Fury and Xzi on NYXL

[vagrant cargo]

praying for that

[tepid ibex]

Fury Xzi Gangnamjin Myunbong

[next mesa]

Seoul

SEOUL

Relevant and good s1 players reunite under 1 team for one last run

Now we just need striker

[north relic]

Profit fury jjonak is a s1 viewers wet dream

[trail perch]

I mean they need an OT...

and tobi is their headcoach

so they got the full squad

they should have got miro as an assistant

[next mesa]

u guys have spark

u stoopid

[next mesa]

They said they deliberately left out some signings to see how the game plays & will decide after the fact

might backfire

might be genius move

[earnest leaf]

Seoul will be fine with just smurf

I would be surprised if OT became meta often, and if it did, if it even made a big enough impact to require a OT player to run the heroes

I think people are putting too much stock into OT players, and not enough into flexible MTs

The best teams will have one tank running 90% of the time imo

[next mesa]

which is an absolute fucking tragedy

...

so badd

[vagrant jacinth]

Is vindaim good? Idk anything about him

[next mesa]

yes

very good

top 4 mt prospects

[noble nexus]

Nah fire better

[vagrant jacinth]

I'm excited for Seoul but they've burned me a lot

[next mesa]

I no longer feel any pain 😄

It's so funny seeing flats react to Samito's video

and how almost every high level ow player thinks what the problem of the game is

is so similar

like flats pauses to say something and then a few seconds later samito says the exact same thing

[vagrant cargo]

Seoul have a different banger OT rumored

if they get him i want seoul to do good

[vagrant jacinth]

I gotta say I'm still hesitant on 5v5

Who's rumoured?

[willow tartan]

for?

oh for seoul

[tiny pollen]

Haven't seen video but they are probably complaining about orisa and bap who are l tier characters

[worn falcon]

How to become an OWL player

https://twitter.com/yeHHH/status/1468327091317968908

Albert Yeh (@yeHHH)

Just found out Hydron plays like this

Likes

219

Twitter · Dec 7, 2021, 9:10 PM

[next mesa]

bro

imagine hydron w legroom

goat

[north relic]

does he play sideways

[next mesa]

@north relic holy shit LMAO

[north relic]

huge brain move

[willow tartan]

@next mesa

[gusty rampart]

You won't have to worry when Seoul wins in 2022

[next mesa]

WAIT IM WATCHING IT RN SHUT UP

I think they lose

[vagrant jacinth]

Owl players and scuffed set ups lmao

[willow tartan]

my brain is exploding

PATI IS A FUCKING MONSTER

[devout path]

God that game was insane

[willow tartan]

NA is dead in a ditch

[devout path]

Na losing another game gg

[willow tartan]

It's so unbelievable that more SEA teams are in the playoffs than NA

I can't comprehend this

[next mesa]

Let's fucking gooooo

LET'S FUCKING GOOO

[sullen berry]

SEA Supremacy

how crazy would it be if he was given the choice between resigning his contract or playing in OWL

in both games his ceiling is uncapped

can't wait to rewatch it from the top

[next mesa]

If the salary was the same

100% VALORANTO

[sullen berry]

imagine the salary gap, if there even is one for him in SEA pulling this much rep

what is my face doing on liquipedia

[willow tartan]

real shit, finally we have a game we are competitive in

[sullen berry]

hell yeah

I need another team like SONIQ to flex on NA in challengers 2022

[willow tartan]

x10 and ts almost made me want to play valorant. almost.

[next mesa]

I play it lol

[sullen berry]

it's a free game, all you have to do is sign a blood debt to Riot by donating your hardware if you

say

hack valorant

[willow tartan]

yeah but its like csgo and i know im gonna be upset at it like i get upset at csgo

no friends = no fun

[sullen berry]

because Vanguard can be triggered at any time, you'd have to put a lot of trust in them to deliver

the number of players will agree it's not a big deal

but I can't stand some of kids on Val, at least the kids on OW are learning coming from Console

[willow tartan]

trust in them to deliver?

i mean its not like vanguard can blow up my computer and even if it is spyware what are they gonna see

nah man vanguard is actually used to bitcoin mine

[gusty rampart]

Someone tell Sans to get off Twitter
https://twitter.com/OWLOpinions/status/1468415040214732809?s=19

OWL Opinions (@OWLOpinions)

Hot take
Philly fans > shock fans > Paris fans

Twitter · Dec 8, 2021, 3:00 AM

[willow tartan]

sans > dink > ian

checks out

[next mesa]

I hate CSGO

Valorant is a bit better

[willow tartan]

why u play it then

i mean why play valo

if its only slightly better

[next mesa]

Friends

They don't have overwatch

I just carry them in val

It's honestly a fine game

Has content pepelaugh

[willow tartan]

no but i mean on a basic level its like

maybe im just bad

but i get shit on and then get upset like why should i even bother playing this when i can play a different game im already knowledgable in

[hot onyx]

Finally an agreeable opinion

[next mesa]

well i play like

quick play

so mostly i shit on other people

[willow tartan]

games not fun when its not competitive

[earnest leaf]

Worst fans are chengdu fans

[gusty rampart]

*Worst team

Also Leave fans

Theyre "Self Proclaimed Free Thinkers"

[willow tartan]

leave fans at the start of the season

[gusty rampart]

When we all know

LIP deserved MVP

Didn't Hunters win not 1 but 2 stages?????

Didn't think so

[hot onyx]

Odd way to spell “Develop”

[willow tartan]

only reason leave was mvp was because of recency bias from countdown cup

aint no other way

[gusty rampart]

And yet they still lost 🤡

How does recency bias not work with LIP

[hot onyx]

I mean if recency bias played that big of a part then Shu would’ve won

[gusty rampart]

That is the real MVP

[willow tartan]

cause voting ended before playoffs

[willow tartan]

yeah but shu doesnt have the china buff

[gusty rampart]

Leave 🗑️👎🥱
LIP 🐐👑🔥💪

[hot onyx]

Friendly reminder that Eileen was nominated for MVP in 2020

[willow tartan]

exactly

[gusty rampart]

Viol2t was robbed in 2020

LIP was robbed in 2021

super was robbed in 2019

JJoNak the true MVP

[hot onyx]

Call me a bandwagon idc

[willow tartan]

but?

[hot onyx]

Alarm was better than Viol2t 2020

[willow tartan]

how does that have anything to do with bandwagoning

[gusty rampart]

Viol2t made Zen work in the Hog meta when Ana was meta

[hot onyx]

Alarm flexed onto brig and benched one of the best main supports in the league because his brig was that impactful

[willow tartan]

that doesnt make him the best flex support in 2020

[gusty rampart]

Bro Fusion fans must be tired getting 2nd place all the time

Same with Chengdu fans

[willow tartan]

in 2021 alarm was also the second best flex support

[gusty rampart]

Wouldn't say 2nd best

Top 5 def

Not 2nd

[hot onyx]

Show me where Viol2t won ROTY bozo 🤡

[willow tartan]

who you putting over alarm?

[gusty rampart]

Fielder and Izayaki

[willow tartan]

ehh

well based on performance sure

[hot onyx]

2021: Fielder Izayaki Shu and maybe Iris at a stretch

[willow tartan]

maybe philly copium but if fusion wasnt bad in 2021 alarm wouldve been better

[gusty rampart]

Shu also

Wrong reply

[hot onyx]

big up

[gusty rampart]

Fusion just choked when it mattered

[hot onyx]

Tell me what Mano is supposed to do against Smurf and MuZe

[gusty rampart]

Seoul did the same

NYXL was just incapable of winning

Chengdu just wasn't good

[hot onyx]

I wholeheartedly believe that if Fusion kept Heesu and Sado they would’ve made it to at least one final

MM or CC

[gusty rampart]

Chengdu did good because APAC was shit

[gusty rampart]

They looked good in May Melee

Then they just fell apart

[willow tartan]

chendu did good because they had the good meta

[hot onyx]

That’s because teams figured out that Mano became worse than Daan

[gusty rampart]

Not even then

APAC was just awful

Charge, NYXL, Valiant

All were free wins

[willow tartan]

add hangzhou to that too

[gusty rampart]

^^^

[hot onyx]

I would say NYXL picked up when they signed Kalios

[gusty rampart]

Anytime they went up against a NA team they got rolled

Mayhem, Shock, Fuel

Glads

[willow tartan]

overwatch league couldve gotten rid of every apac team except dragons and the results wouldve been the same this year

[gusty rampart]

^^^^

[willow tartan]

except LIP gets mvp

[gusty rampart]

APAC was just shitty this year

[hot onyx]

But Pre-Kalios NYXL was a free win if you’re a competent team that doesn’t get full held on point A numbanj by the Valiant

[gusty rampart]

Kalios made NYXL win a lot more

[willow tartan]

god i hope fusion dynasty and hunters become the good teams that were promised this year next year

actually fuck that

[gusty rampart]

I'm extremely glad he got picked up

[willow tartan]

i want regular interregional play

[gusty rampart]

Dynasty will be good in 2022

[willow tartan]

bring on the homestands

[hot onyx]

Copium

[gusty rampart]

Homestands should be happening in NA

Imma try and go see a Shock game

[willow tartan]

i will be incredibly surprised and at the same time not surprised at all if seoul dynasty flops for the fourth year in a row

wait what year are we on now

[hot onyx]

5th

[willow tartan]

fifth

[gusty rampart]

They didn't flop in 2020 LOL?

[willow tartan]

bro are you joking

[gusty rampart]

Making Grand Finals isn't a flop

[willow tartan]

seoul had half the wins of shanghai in 2020

[gusty rampart]

And beat them when it mattered

L shitta

[willow tartan]

they were absolutely abyssmal for most of the year barring the start

[gusty rampart]

Still 3-1d Shanghai when it mattered

[willow tartan]

the only reason they made grand finals was because of some wacko drunk patch blizz pushed

i dont even care about last years grand finals im just saying seoul were not good last year

[gusty rampart]

Still beat Shanghai when it mattered

[hot onyx]

Oh yeah because getting a lucky meta where every player on your team can conveniently play all their best heroes while good teams like Paris Mayhem Charge Fusion and Dragons got cucked by said meta is a grand achievement

[willow tartan]

doesnt mean they were a good team

[gusty rampart]

Making Grand Finals doesn't really make you a flop tho

[willow tartan]

i guess

fluke would be more appropriate then

[gusty rampart]

4-2 is a good score for a shitty team against one of the best teams

[hot onyx]

Meta diff

[willow tartan]

real

[gusty rampart]

No shit Sherlock

[willow tartan]

okay but anyways

besides the point

i hope seoul dont do bad in 2022

because that would be very suck

same with fusion

[gusty rampart]

Seoul has like really really good players in each role

Idk how the fuck they could afford smurf AND JJoNak

[hot onyx]

Fusion can go two routes

Carpe MN3 Zest is guaranteed

[willow tartan]

and keep profits

[stuck radish]

i wonder if jjonak was even that expensive

[willow tartan]

how does that dps duo just stay in seoul

[hot onyx]

But they either take Clestyn or Fury

[gusty rampart]

Being a MVP has a huge price tag

[stuck radish]

yeah but that was s1

[gusty rampart]

Being top 3 2 years in a row

[hot onyx]

They have choices of Sado JJANGGU and Junbin but could be dumb and sign Belosrea

[twilit oriole]

Jj prolly wasn’t even that expensive

[gusty rampart]

Then being top 7 in 2020

He most likely was

[hot onyx]

Sanguinaar or Anamo

GangNamJin or Aimgod

[gusty rampart]

GangNamJin is going to NYXL

I've said this like 10 times now

[twilit oriole]

Most likely was slightly above avg, he’s not even that good anymore. Still better than most but you have solid other choices

[gusty rampart]

Still not good anymore?

[hot onyx]

Suck my balls and nuts trades exist

[gusty rampart]

Clearly you don't watch his POV

[twilit oriole]

He’s good, but not the best shote

[gusty rampart]

He's 100% top 10 FS

Last year

In his low

[hot onyx]

Is Revenge still retired?

[gusty rampart]

With shitty teammates like Yakpung, Bianca, Friday

[twilit oriole]

“Top 10”

Bro ofc he’s top 10 Tf

There’s like only a few teams with good fs

[willow tartan]

whats wrong with singing a top 10 fs

[hot onyx]

Last year idk

[gusty rampart]

JJoNak got shitty teammates so his team didn't succeed

Doesn't mean he's a bad player

[willow tartan]

if jjonak doesnt work they still have creative dont they?

[gusty rampart]

JJoNak will work

He's still insane

[hot onyx]

Izayaki Fielder Shu Iris Alarm Twilight Viol2t MMonk Kaan and GNJ

[gusty rampart]

Especially with a double FS meta on the horizon

[twilit oriole]

I never said he was a bad player 🤦‍♂️you said jj Is still one of the best which is just wrong, he’s good. Above average. But there are other options you can go for who can be developed more and players who are better than him

[gusty rampart]

He still is one of the best

[willow tartan]

why kaan on there and not faraway

[twilit oriole]

He’s not thou

[gusty rampart]

Faraway from these nuts

[hot onyx]

Thank goodness

[gusty rampart]

Closer to these nuts

[hot onyx]

Didn’t see enough Farway gametime this year to have enough opinion on him other than “funny benched zen main”

[willow tartan]

what about mcd

[gusty rampart]

Izayaki, Shu (debatable even?), Fielder, Alarm, and Viol2t

[twilit oriole]

Seoul seem so overrated idk why, like the team they have is a legit super team but that coaching got me worried

[gusty rampart]

Are like the only ones who I'd say is like better

[willow tartan]

idk maybe i hate kaan and iris because they mostly played baptiste

[twilit oriole]

Twilight

[willow tartan]

probably it

[hot onyx]

Mechanically he’s up there but with how he is as a teammate he drops himself down multiple places

[gusty rampart]

Twilight and JJoNak are on the same level

[twilit oriole]

I’m giving the edge on Ana to twilight, edge on zen to jj

Even that thou I think twilight is prolly better than jj

Twilight seems to be a bit better on heroes than jj

[gusty rampart]

Because his teammates know how to play game

[willow tartan]

clearly not

shock anti air defence is mei

[twilit oriole]

Shock s4

[gusty rampart]

Better than Yakpung and Bianca

[willow tartan]

hanamura moment

[twilit oriole]

The Havana incident😹

[willow tartan]

bench fdgod and put viol2t on lucio

[hot onyx]

Bench Glister and put Viol2t on cowboy jenkins

[gusty rampart]

Still wonder what Shock was thinking 2021

[next mesa]

actually im pretty sure fastro's brig just wasnt very good

[gusty rampart]

Bench Super and put Viol2t on Rein is next

[twilit oriole]

The shock era is over

[hot onyx]

2020 Countdown Cup

[gusty rampart]

Who do you have objectively the shittest OWL takes?

[earnest leaf]

Shock in 2021 were simply unable to use a consistent roster

not much too it imo

[gusty rampart]

Literally signs 3 superstar Contenders star which one is named the Korean Leave

[earnest leaf]

Think they just had mental and internal struggles and couldn't get a solid starting line till late

[willow tartan]

since valiant went winless in 2021, they will win a stage title in 2022 with nohill at the helm

[hot onyx]

Or as I describe it: copium

[gusty rampart]

Nah

[earnest leaf]

That's not even copium

I'm pointing out the most likely issues

Internal struggles were literally reported

[hot onyx]

I know, it is bait

And you fell for it

[gusty rampart]

Shitty bandwagon fans booming players mentals

[earnest leaf]

You can't pretend to be braindead, then say "gotcha" when someone calls you out

I'd post the one meme but mods would delete it

[hot onyx]

Double bait

[next mesa]

this but unironically

[hot onyx]

I was pretending to pretend to be braindead and you fell for it bozo

Brain of a pea

[earnest leaf]

but imo for shock next year, I think it mainly will line up with how well the new players can work with super

[earnest leaf]

bold from a fusion fan

[next mesa]

depends if kilo/s9mm steps up

[willow tartan]

Super needs to do less streaming more playing

[next mesa]

and if their support line is actually competent

[hot onyx]

Bold from a Shock fan

[willow tartan]

who are they rumored other than diya

[gusty rampart]

Fusion don't get 2nd place challenge (impossible)

[earnest leaf]

Basically if the rookies are good working with a western MT

[twilit oriole]

You think jj is still a top FS, keep saying that til it makes sense lmfao, shock era is over maybe this roster will do good again but when you have super teams with experienced players like Dallas seoul Shanghai glads etc. it’s legit clear their era might be over

[next mesa]

not worried about proper

[next mesa]

he is

[earnest leaf]

But I think they'll do well, shock does a bunch of team stuff behind the scenes

[next mesa]

innovation

[willow tartan]

oyeah

[next mesa]

with nohill as hc

[earnest leaf]

jjonakk is A tier at best until he proves me otherwise

[twilit oriole]

He’s good, not top in the league anymore thou

[next mesa]

im just not worried at all now

[willow tartan]

nohill is already signed

[gusty rampart]

Dallas is getting overhyped. If you see at the end of the year, teams figured them out. They'd have to change their plan.

[next mesa]

top tier doesn't mean best in the league he's still top tier

[gusty rampart]

^^^^

[earnest leaf]

wym by top tier

[gusty rampart]

Levy using his brain

[twilit oriole]

define top tier

[earnest leaf]

Like top 5?

[twilit oriole]

Top 5 and jj still doesn’t make It

[gusty rampart]

Low-key he kinda does

[next mesa]

Izayaki Shu Fielder Twilight Jjonak

[earnest leaf]

viol2t/twilight/izayaki/iris/shu/fielder

[tropic herald]

thast cap

[willow tartan]

alarm modcheck

[earnest leaf]

all I would take over jjonakk

[next mesa]

if alarm was still alive he would be over jjonak

[tropic herald]

jjonak is solidly A tier but thats it

[next mesa]

i take jjonak over iris easily

[twilit oriole]

Ong

[next mesa]

Jjonak's bap struggles is overblown

[tropic herald]

iris > jjonak

[willow tartan]

jjonak is notably above average but he's nothing special is my view

[gusty rampart]

Shu is A tier not S

[next mesa]

and his zen and ana are so much better than iris

[hot onyx]

2019 stage 1 placed 4th 2019 Playoffs placed 11th-12th 2020 May Melee placed 3rd-4th 2020 Playoffs placed 4th 2021 all tournaments not even placed in a significant fashion except for 2021 apac playin tournament

[gusty rampart]

Shu literally would feed his brains out

[next mesa]

its just truth

[earnest leaf]

yall hard coping jjonak fans

[gusty rampart]

Where's you first place trophy?

[earnest leaf]

He isn't going to be rated highly until he can prove it next year

[next mesa]

actually unironically not even a jjonak fan

[willow tartan]

APAC play-in tournament

[next mesa]

I just watch his vods

use my eyes

[hot onyx]

2021 apac playins bozo

[next mesa]

like highkey jjonak mechanics > twilight mechanics

[gusty rampart]

I use my eyes and JJoNak looks good

[tropic herald]

hmm im gonna do a tier list of flex supports except its gonna be above jjonak, jjonak, below jjonak

[twilit oriole]

Iris>
Shu>
Twilight>
Iziyaki>
Fielder>
Viol2t>

[gusty rampart]

JJoNak is mechanically insane

[next mesa]

not viol2t

not iris

[gusty rampart]

Viol2t fell off

[next mesa]

the other 4 are in my top 5

[gusty rampart]

Ir1s Bap 1 trick

[earnest leaf]

Nah ok you're hard smoking now

[gusty rampart]

Shu feeds

[earnest leaf]

if you take jjonak over viol2t

[twilit oriole]

Yeah lowkey he did

But

[willow tartan]

do you guys want to play a fantasy league next year

it will be comedic

[next mesa]

viol2t was just horrendous this year

like not even trolling

[gusty rampart]

Viol2t trolled too much

[next mesa]

his bap didnt even look that good to be honest

[willow tartan]

viol2t and moth will have to regain their stonks next year

[next mesa]

he picked things up end of the year

[earnest leaf]

His performance gets way overexaggerated

on his mistakes

[next mesa]

and im sure this is like a total down year for him

no just watch his vods

[hot onyx]

Can’t wait for the Moth redemption arc on the Houston Outlaws

[next mesa]

always wasting shifts and going for ego peaks not gonna lie

[gusty rampart]

If moth goes to Houston Ante Up is going in the bio

It's already almost there

[earnest leaf]

Last time someone told me to watch vods of a player It only reinforced my opinion on them

[next mesa]

im sure viol2t will pop off next year though

[gusty rampart]

If Shock gets moth they win next year

[willow tartan]

no lol

[tropic herald]

none of the tiers are ordered

[next mesa]

nah

[next mesa]

wrong list

[hot onyx]

Outlaws Moth simply makes sense with Moth having a lacklustre brig and Outlaws having brig superstar Jake

[next mesa]

first of all i love creative but jjonak >>creative

jjonak better than everyone on his tier

[gusty rampart]

Kaan is good but not JJoNak level

[next mesa]

better than mmonk for sure

[earnest leaf]

There is just no good reasoning to putting jjonak top5 outside of "trust me"

[next mesa]

jjonak's mechanics best in the league not even trolling except maybe on bap

just a team diff

[willow tartan]

shock will not win next year because the grand finalists are going to be shanghai dragons and shanghai valiant

[gusty rampart]

More accurate tier list

[willow tartan]

[earnest leaf]

That reminds me about shd

[tropic herald]

wrong

[next mesa]

i watched an unhealthy amount of fs vods

[hot onyx]

Boombox slander

[earnest leaf]

I wonder how teams like shd are going to do without a hyper carry

[next mesa]

Twilight's ana mechanics arent anything super crazy

[earnest leaf]

Shd can't run void 24/7 anymore

[tropic herald]

have a different hyper carry

[next mesa]

however is utility usage is sexy

[tropic herald]

just run void 24/7 anyways

[next mesa]

they can

LMAO

[twilit oriole]

They can lmfao

[willow tartan]

they still have the best DPS duo in the league

[earnest leaf]

in a Mt meta no

keep fate in for MTs

[tropic herald]

void can probably diff most of the league on rein

[willow tartan]

fate probably plays ball and winston

[hot onyx]

Oh yeah the plague disguised as 5v5

[willow tartan]

void can probably orisa

[gusty rampart]

Fleta LIP is the best DPS duo in the League without a fucking doubt

[twilit oriole]

Yeah that DPS duo alone will win fights single handedly

[gusty rampart]

ANS Kevster and be scary

[earnest leaf]

Literally just have fate on for every mt

then void for OTs

Fate is super flexible

[willow tartan]

that would be the best coming into it but things probably get changed up

[tropic herald]

actually i dont want to say shanghai dps line is definitively best bc chengdu dps line

[earnest leaf]

I love kevster/ans duo

[willow tartan]

also i dont mind having fate playing more since he's a super intelligent player

[tropic herald]

and glads

[hot onyx]

Hot take but Pelican > Fleta

[earnest leaf]

But it lacks flexibility

[willow tartan]

DPS duo

[next mesa]

i trust him

[tropic herald]

thats why they are adding gatekeeper of na to their dps line

[earnest leaf]

yea but we have no clue how good patiphan will be

[next mesa]

patiphan

[earnest leaf]

he hasn't played for 2 years?

or just 1?

[tropic herald]

patiphan mechanically dominant

[next mesa]

just based off of his recent x10 performance he will be best dps player in the league 😎

[tropic herald]

its only been 1 year

[gusty rampart]

Patiphan is nuts

[willow tartan]

i have a gut feeling that fleta will have an MVP performance in 2022

[gusty rampart]

Watched him in Val and that shit was crazy

[next mesa]

he's been having an MVP performance since S1

[tropic herald]

doesnt even matter that he hasnt played ow1 in a year bc ow2 is 5v5

[next mesa]

except S2 when goats

[hot onyx]

Based off of Ninjas recent fortnite stream he is going to be the best hitscan in the league

[willow tartan]

no but i mean like, he's going to relive 2020

actual shitting on kids

24/7

[earnest leaf]

the basics and fundamentals of OW will stay the same through 5v5

[next mesa]

he shat on kids 24/7 this year too

to be honest

lip just took like another step

[earnest leaf]

The biggest changes will be comps mainly

[next mesa]

shanghai as a team

shat on kids

24/7

[willow tartan]

no but i mean there were other dps that could keep up with him

[tropic herald]

im trusting in pati

[earnest leaf]

Viol2t was robbed of 2020 mvp still

[next mesa]

eh i guess

[tropic herald]

especially since glads coaching line is goated

[next mesa]

idk

[tropic herald]

this year

[next mesa]

like he also kinda bodied jinmu on the pharah

[hot onyx]

https://youtu.be/aumP2Y1BhM0 sure

[tropic herald]

if viol2t was robbed that year then void was giga robbed that year

[willow tartan]

fdps position was more competitive this year than in 2020 and that's what im getting at

fleta is gonna pick up a new OP hero and dominate for the first half of the year

[hot onyx]

That’s where you’re wrong

[earnest leaf]

well if we get a new hero it would be sojourn

who is hitscan

so lip plays her

[tropic herald]

perfect for pati

[willow tartan]

they are only releasing one hero?

[hot onyx]

Coach Rascal steps in for Fuel and dominates alongside Sp9rk1e

[tropic herald]

pati roty 2022

[willow tartan]

i thought it would be at least 5

[earnest leaf]

it was said when owl begins, they will have all current heroes in play. and possibly a new one

[willow tartan]

okay i guess he will instead do the funny on people on the tracer hero instead

[hot onyx]

Can’t wait to continue playing a game that isn’t receiving patch updates for an extra year while pros get to play the new game

[willow tartan]

Just be a pro

[hot onyx]

I’m literally changing my entire role because of a lack of faith in 5v5

[earnest leaf]

If we're lucky we get a beta in the summer

[hot onyx]

Easier said than done lmao

[willow tartan]

beta will come out when owl starts

or slightly before then rather

[earnest leaf]

Hopefully

[hot onyx]

Y’all have far too much faith in Activision Blizzard and it shows

[willow tartan]

you think they can trust overwatch league players to not immediately leak everything in ow2 the moment they get their hands on it

its gotta be in a playable state or actiblizz will literally go bankrupt

[earnest leaf]

I'm going off ow's initial release

which iirc got an open beta half a year before release

So maybe something like a open beta in june, release early 2023

[willow tartan]

closed beta like valo for the first six months then?

[hot onyx]

Idk how healthy relying on an open beta for half a year will be while OW1 rots

[earnest leaf]

Not much we can do since blizzard decided to be a dogshit company

and caused numerous leaders in OW to just quit

[willow tartan]

i think they decided that before ow was made

[hot onyx]

I think they decided that before Hearthstone was made

[willow tartan]

@next mesa whats the hero to shit on ppl in valorant? i might try it

[next mesa]

jett

[earnest leaf]

I played valorant once

played jett

[next mesa]

I just go jett

awp

drop 30 kills

[earnest leaf]

tried to do an air dash to roll some shitter

but the game locked my from using my gun so I died

then I quit and uninstalled

[next mesa]

gunplay there's like a lot less movement

just crosshair placement stuff

the spray is like decent enough

[hot onyx]

I uninstalled Valorant before I played an official match get on my level

[next mesa]

phantom gang

[tropic herald]

ok i think

maybe dont talk about val in ow esports chat

[earnest leaf]

ow esports is dead atm

[tropic herald]

there is other channels for this doe

[earnest leaf]

fuck them other channels

[willow tartan]

were is the valorant discussion channel

[earnest leaf]

mfs be weird in them

[next mesa]

#esports-discussion my home gang gang

[hot onyx]

Aiming was completely scuffed like who tf wants to aim while standing still?

[next mesa]

but since im a respectful

rule

obeyer

[tropic herald]

ok well if you dont want to leave here to talk about val then at least talk about esports

[next mesa]

i know right actually so scuffed

errrr so patiphan rolled nv

qualified for champs playoffs

[hot onyx]

Riot turning a potentially good FPS into a Wild West duel scene

[next mesa]

also jett knives you can move while shooting them

[tropic herald]

guys,, ur still talking about val,,

[next mesa]

oh shit

[tropic herald]

r u actually gonna make me discipline u

[next mesa]

okay sorry i thought u meant esports is allowed

[hot onyx]

Valor ant deez nuts

[tropic herald]

it has to be ow based here

[next mesa]

ayt ima head to bed

[tropic herald]

per topic

[willow tartan]

did you guys know shanghai dragons released keyboards for their championship

[next mesa]

valiant will win

2021

[willow tartan]

im trying to get my hands on one

[next mesa]

wait no shot

[tropic herald]

valiant diff

[next mesa]

link me

nohill diff

nohill literally so good

[hot onyx]

Over Watching your mom in the shower

[next mesa]

bro

link me

[next mesa]

reported

[willow tartan]

its chinese only

am importing trying to at least

[next mesa]

link chinese

my dad knows ppl

not the mafia

shipping stuff

omegalol

[willow tartan]

on the owl website

theres a link

[next mesa]

where

what do i click

[willow tartan]

the team shops page

shanghai dragons

[next mesa]

they use tmall

i c

its prob gonna be mad expensive

i just ordered a keyboard

my matcha keycaps came today

because seoul is like

no fuck you i dont want to release keycaps for free money

🖕 bitch

[hot onyx]

capitalism more like crapitalism

[next mesa]

holy shit

actually looks so sexy

[hot onyx]

Fuck now I gotta talk about esports or else Empathy is going to give me another stern warning

[next mesa]

holy

281$

fuck this shit im out 🏃‍♂️

cad bw

bw

probably like 240 usd

[hot onyx]

$240

[willow tartan]

but it even says champions

[next mesa]

220

[hot onyx]

For keycaps