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why
no idea.
all the ogs getting banned
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Overwatch was once the future of competitive esports.
Blizzard, esports fans, casual players - everyone was hyped.
But just a few years later, the hype is gone, and the game might be dying.
Did Valorant kill it? Was it Blizzard's own balance decisions? Everyone wants to know: where did Overwatch go so wrong?
Written by: Jason Lo (@JasonLobst...
fucking sadge
You know itās bad when you end up on thescore
they left and will probably be back eventually
lmao okay
I didnt even know they covered ow
the only esports relevant to them are valorant right now and csgo
me whenever I see thescore content now
chad akshon esports
but then who would they release for ow2
mauga
releasing sojourn isnt viable
Soujourn on OW1 sounds like a hacky mess, but would be worth it to buy time
because she was made on the ow2 engine iirc
exactly
which is different then the engine ow1 is on
Release ow2 then 5head
lmao
too late
if only
ow3 already in development'
So is there a chance that ow2 comes out at 2022 at all
lol no
4 years after announcement at best š
There is no confirmed release date for the game
and when it comes to dates they've announced in the past, don't they usually schedule it a year ahead
2023 at the earliest probably
blizzard is an absolute shitshow
if we get a date in 2023, it's probably going to be for 2025.
that's as accurate as I'll ever be
no we don't lmao
its basically confirmed weeks ago
THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY OFFICIAL CONFIRMATION ON THE YEAR OW2 IS RELEASED
and look at the build that they showed us
yall are brainless sometimes
As revealed in a slide presentation for Activision Blizzard's third quarter calendar 2021 results conference call, the company revealed that after working with "new leadership in Blizzard and within the franchises themselves," it became apparent that "some of the Blizzard content planned for next year will benefit from more development time to reach its full potential."
not to mention one of the coleads left again
some more lawsuit shit is going down
blizzard is going down the shit drain
Jeff Kaplan saved us from a lethal dose of copium
No one has any official year release date is what I am saying
all there is atm is speculation
we know its like 99% not gonna be 2022 so i just said 2023 optimistically
another 2 years without content
pogU
yeah the dev team already said that a 2023 date isnt set and stone
and a release in the early winter
still could be late 2022
that was the original plan
but we do though
We don't
they literally told us
there was lots of news
use your brain for this
no actually
like
just use ur brain for a moment
if there was actually gonna be 2022 release
/ beta in the summer 2022
why would they announce that it was gonna be delayed
it was our expectation anyway
Several new outlets reported on it made the future look bleak as shit
they probably wouldnt have told their investors this either
if it was actually gonna be summer 2022
or even winter 2022
like they probably wouldn't have made such a big deal about it
yeah that looks so bad honestly
with all the horrible shit ggoing on a blizzard i would expect the game to be delayed by quite a bit
im not gonna complain about a 2023 release if it means actiblizz employees are safe
Levy there has been no official confirmation on the release date of the game
the dev team themselves said nothing is set in stone
Levy, they didn't daid "hey we're gonna release ow2 next year, stay tuned"
They just say nothing about the game, the most news were about presenting the game in owl, and even with that they didn't said they were release any kind of beta for the users.
just look at all the clues
Most of the things about ow2 were assumptions either from people like metro, or people looking too hard in a few lines.
They didn't released any clues.
Like ever.
This isn't some sombra shit stuff.
āThese are two of the most eagerly anticipated titles in the industry, and our teams have made great strides towards completion in recent quarters. But we believe giving the teams some extra time to complete production and continue growing their creative resources to support the titles after launch will ensure that these releases delight and engage their communities for many years into the future.ā
why do you think theres been no news on the game
or any indication of a release date
Giving extra time " we don't know when is ready"
we know owl season 5 is gonna be played on overwatch 2
we know owl s5 starts around april
And that doesn't means is gonna be released for us.
say the release date was originally april or even the summer
God
actually
it would be very dumb of them if that was their plan originally
but see then they announced a delay
why would they do that if their plan hasnt changed dramatically
so now ow2 is gonna be early build
if beta good enough for owl, beta good enough for casuals.
That's the other thing
I highly doubt they would deprive the pros of normal ow2 practice for long outside of scrims
So it's my guess we get a beta sometimes a bit after owl start
loll
super goes home from scrims playing ow2 to stream ow1
that would be so fucky
masaa deez nuts
Ok
Just kidding suck my balls
Ok
77777777777777777777777777777
dink with another absolute banger
When you're in the market for a new main tank, you want someone strong. Someone you know is ready to step up and bring a little Mayhem.
You need SOMEONE.
Welcome to Florida, @someone0424! #LightItUp https://t.co/atbW7GLMFT
!jumbo 
Signing SOMEONE
Should have signed jjanggu
Jjanggu needs to get picked up by someone
fr
Luckily a lot of teams haven't signed one or both tanks yet
That's a lie
Valiant, Vancouver, Houston, Philly, New york are the only ones left
Houston should have never dropped jjanggu
Him and piggy would have been perfect going into ow2
Still baffles me they ever benched the guy
iirc his engish wasn't that good is what harsha said
but even then that's something you can teach him along the way
He could go to Philly then
The seem to be going all korean
Do you think there's any chance dreamer gets picked up?
Kinda doubt it
doubtful
many teams are just going in with one tank to test the waters next season
Jjangu I guess not titans anymore?
that could come as a cost benefit or be a pitfall if they have a fast and reliable plan if they add more during the season
who started Jjangu titans
@tropic herald superich, not superrich for future reference
Wait, they are still missing a support playerā¦
Nah-ah,
the excellent support player Wu "Superich" Gengtuo will be joining Hangzhou Spark!
Welcome to Spark, No. 4 Superich!
(*Pending League approval) https://t.co/Tkc4txcUeh
Spark stacked
Sleeper spark
My best friend NTB š
also i mentioned this before but
team cc went to complete shit after nohill left
coincidence? i dont think so
before he left team cc was arguably best team the whole asian region
won nexus cup
Microsoft: Halo Infinite surprise launch
Nintendo: first partnership with competitive Smash Bros ever
Riot: Arcane takes the TV works by storm
Activision-Blizzard: labor revolt
584
True
sadge
I heard that MyunbongSZN guy was kinda cute
also PUNK1SZN
also heard the guy who runs @OWLOpinions on Twitter is kind of a chad
Those people would be correct
ikr
What if Microsoft purchased overwatch
whats a formal necktie
5 words
starts with ASC
crossword
what if Microsoft purchased Blizzard
with the way Microsoft is, that'd be way better than Activison
The only issue with OW being purchased would be owl
Unless whatever company that would buy ow would want to keep owl and manage it
Bro I'm doing it blind without any clues
W
but i said they are chosing
between stand1 and jjangu
So stand1 it is ig
wzich makes sense because jjangus english is appereantly rlly bad
Wait who is spark flex support?
Would trading for 1987 be an option?
cause reunite with superrich and lige
Oh wait its irony
Maybe they try to get 2
They confirmed their roster I believe
Cope
Hoping one day you'll stop
I need to think of a new name
So did Boston
:(
Wait
No they didnt
Maybe in just stage 3
not end of season
they lost to valiant right?
When Valiant was God tier yea
@BostonUprising Can't wait to play against you guys next season! š
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I think it's because they signed McD
probably this one if i had to guess
Someone was the CC MT right?
Yes!
birthday moment
Happy birthday
Yooo Lily ur not dead
Like I would miss ur birthday š
Today
You must be psychic
No Iām just a Boston hater

character development
Finally some positive character development
Sorry if you sign mcd I donāt like you
You should become a Fusion fan since they donāt have MCD
Spark is the trans rights team
^^^^^
āBreaking Newz: Overwatch League Team Hangzhou Spark change colour schemeā
Shock says two championships
Fusion says no championship
Canāt be accused of being a bandwagon
Because there is nothing to bandwagon for
Where is this spreadsheet
Nyxl rebuild looking insane so far bandwagon here
bing chilling
no
no
ZAMNNNN
Wearing a Florida Mayhem shirt today
I explained to a girl how they were easily one of the best teams in 2021 but main tank struggles
OGE was not the problem smh
Keeping Guxue Bernar and Architect L
He very much was
i have a bad feeling architect will be perma benched this season
sounds like a good thing for the spark 
Bastion specialist
slime and oge held them back, fate and jecse and that team could have won a tourney ez claps
oh hey they signed the main support they should have signed last year lets goooo
superich yeehaw
Its the same as in s1 when ms players got dragged for not playing mercy
Or when dps players with tracer/zarya/brig
Its not stupid at all
When you cant play the best heros in the game
You dont deserve to play
Otherwise we would see players that are great on shit heros make owl cause they could just play them
Like imagine ladder one tricks
Like GetQuakedOn
Or Bastion Main
Or Necros
Make owl
YZNSA too
Yeah
Owl is for the meta heros
it doesnt matter how talented you are
if you cant play what matters
Cause he plays the only hero that matters
Because you never see him on anything else
Moth would be a major pickup
on brig comps they would suffer
They wouldnt be top tier
and he would make mistakes
that could lose fights and games
cause brig is that important
They would have to commit to running a lucio or mercy almost full time
And they would lose alot against top teams because of that
Mercy dive will never beat a brig dive
Lucio dive wont beat a brig dive in the current meta
Mercy DS or Poke just isnt at good as Brig DS or Poke
You cant really run ball with mercy because then your zen or ana just dies almost for free
Rein is even arguably better with a brig against dive comps
and Rush just isnt that good
If you get into a hard rush meta sure he would be good
but the other 99% of the time you would need another player to play brig
and it doesnt make sense to drop the big bucks on a MS player that might almost never play
Glads did it cause skewed was prob like 50k
And they realized after the season that they didnt need him, and that they just needed a lucio player
cause skewed covers brig mercy and other flex supports
Moth isnt currently ready to be the starting main support on a top tier team
and no one else is willing to spend on him
Because he isnt good enough to warrent a super high salary
quaked on could never make owl for doom only lmao
man is mid-low gm
Necros unironically could as a genji otp
Also if you have someone like moth only as your second support you would generally run comps that involve his best heroes, not attempt to force a weaker version of another comp
Like how shock and reign would just hard force lucio rush with masaa/fdgod
Top teams have top tier main supports who can play brig
and those are the ones who can afford moth as a secondarys upport
iirc there are very few MS players that are good at brig
Ms players were forced to play lucio for a year and it stuck
What even are the good MS brig players
theres like ljg
and I can't think of any else that are top tier on brig
skewed is FS
Whoru
viol2t brig also pounds
Factual
A lot of the new ms rookies have nice brigs too
Viol2t will be the Shocks MS
EQO
JAKE
he's bad tho ngl
coach jake will help player jake realise his true potential
based Luigi
wha
?
levy loves harassing ghosts
Sometimes i forget and wonder if he's getting too old for discord
?
https://twitter.com/umeowx/status/1461862649034063876 no clue who he is though
crazy that someone called "Bootyblaster" is outted as a sexual deviant
like there really weren't any warning signs
who is cyber again
oh my god who the fuck cares
I swear to god if I see any more people coming out on the internet over sexual abuse I'm gonna flip my shit
lmao okay
Do it
can't wait for another Boston player to get outted for liking children a bit too much
so they can flip their shit about it
"only"
Whats wrong with people
Also it is just very clearly loud minority
There are thousands of t1/t2 players of course there are going to be some fucking idiots in there
Tianbin Lateyoung "we will make the world see China again" Ma retires
.-.

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That's sadge
I linked the Twitter
i care because the health of the esport is pretty important given that owl is my only source of joy and happiness
beer is my source of joy and happiness
you bring me happiness :)
yeah but surely not as much happiness as watching shock fans mald
lol
i kinda support paris because like what
feed on the tears of NA
are u gonna shittalk paris for losing??
they're a budget EU team
ofc they're gonna lose
but if y'alls top tier NA teams lose
i laugh
yeah but everyone has to mald or else its not fun for anyone
Surprised it isnāt an echo player
LAN
Facts!
wasted talent
also hey that player turnover rate is soaring
are they going to fly the teams out to home stands this season?
Teams like Spitfire are rumored to be based in LA
Yeah i saw the drama with season 3 before pandemic
That they had to fly like 70000 miles if they had to fly
That's why they're looking to have a team house in LA
lans definitely in china, maybe probably in usa.
Is it the same with paris?
so basically im getting we have lan next year in at least la and maybe somewhere for apac?
on her twitter i assume?
It was on tactical crouch I believe
Also maybe yea we get lan events in LA or something
and apac as well
maybe in hawaii
Please happen
Libero stream 3
- "I won't go to army soon, maybe a bit later on"
- "I sometimes watch OWL matches, the NYXL ones or big matches mostly"
- "Sometimes the inaugural season of OWL pops up in my recommendations and I watch it"
- I played quite a bit of Apex a few months back
Blizzard are also working on their own project L. Itās called Overwatch 2. https://t.co/OsCwhjKwfc
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true
L
Tier list
stfu
Moon won Coach of the year award at the esports awards
nice
ratio
pelican ROBBED like he was ROBBED of a GOOD TEAM last year
ayyyyyyyyyy
Also linda puckett

may she rest in peace 
i miss alarm
Moth is a goated support
Pelican went to the finals this year
Somehow
dallas was a let down
Cause that's how good he is
dallas got beaten by gator ball
YOU JUST LOST TO THE WRECKING BALL OF NORTH AMERICAN MAIN TANK BLAKE "GATOR" SCOTT
i think shock underpreformed
relative to expectations yes
Damn in alternate universe:
Blizzard announce some other game
Overwatch Season 2 announced
OWL finals 1.5 mill viewers
in an AU, Mercy otp dont exis
no.
I can't believe how fucked overwatch is as a whole
delaying it another year like come on
pray they release some form of new content
also why did my Regular role get removed š
Wdym guys I canāt wait for ow2!!!!
if we have like 50 heroes
that would be so banger
ffs
yall blizzard is just shitty
I wish riot made ow instead
we would have 1 new hero every season
or a new map
they actually know how to balance a game
they would do everything blizzard does but better
its fine that they dont know how to balance dps and one is just always good
jett=tracer
but like
everything ekse
lmao
jett fundamentally strong
but who cares though
there's also gonna be stronger and weaker agents
jett is one of those that are really fun to watch
thats why people dont mind tracer being strong asf
as much as brig
who the fuck wants to watch brig gameplay
Please sell the rights to ow
Sell it to someone
anyone
Valve???
Or like fucking nintendo even
sell it to Microsoft
yes
microsoft has enough money to sink into game and no competition in their ips
brrrr
time to buy blizzard stonks and make monies when ow2 launch
At this point I have no faith in ow long term
I am only waiting for its inevitable death
Wow I lost regular
Well this sucks
And after I worked so hard
What even is keeping blizzard afloat rn?
Ow is massively fallen off, hots is dead, hearthstone is massively fallen off, same for wow and Diablo
the fact that their games are still good, even if neglected
They own candy crush
Microsoft would make ow an exclusive ip tho
l playstation bozos
i do
Carried
they didnt with mc
because Minecraft was already multiplatform game
What's wrong with making it an exclusive ip
Also Microsoft has managed minecraft surprisingly well
because they barely did
they left it up to Mojang completely
all Microsoft is doing with Minecraft nowadays is taking a portion of profits
that and Minecraft Dungeons ig
Wasn't awful
Microsoft wouldn't make it platform exclusive
The most they'd do is sell it on PC Microsoft Store
So is overwatch lmao
but the issue with overwatch is that apparently ow needs sequels and Minecraft doesn't
london spitfire sponsored by their own company
wym exclusive ip?
yk microsoft operates on both console and pc right
whoda thunk
STIMP IS CRACKED
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support streamer guys
actually decent ow
who are the casters? they sound familiar
just opened the match to see who they were
wtf is this
they were off rolling lol
sad
actually wanted to see them stomp
onigod was on zar or something
bastionmain's team actually in finals though
they're playing pretty good
silvoc's team actually making lucio zen work
wouldve won if checkmate and pelican were in the server
thats not off rolling though
because checkmate and pelican's real role is mt
they are just playing fdps
to make it fair
THEY WON
LMAO
LUCIO ZEN
BEAT BRIG ZEN
i would quit this world if bastionmain won
it's still an exclusive ip lmao
Microsoft owns the rights
Shut up
Onigod is bad
No he's not
Onigod isnāt bad
so what team is onigod on now?
No team
eu washed
he's god
I also didn't make OWL this year. It feels frustrating knowing that you'll need to wait another year before you could try again, especially since it feels like it barely matters how well you play in tryouts. I'll decide what's next for me when Blizzard announces more about T2/OW2
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who
why did mayhem pick up bro you wack of all people
there are Better content creators
Who
Garbage
Not soe sadge
he'd 1v6 all of shanghai dragons!
TLDR : not really retiring but taking a break from pro OW to find other passions in life :P
sadge
omg i was just about to post that
it sucks honestly
wub was this close to getting signed
to shock
actually sucks so badly
Wub was this close to having to shoulder every bit of hate shock fans gave Nero lmaoo
Really sucks he won't get an owl shot still
Kraan is captain of sheer cold that team that went third with asking a few months ago
starcraft
i'm gonna be honest
at least publicly, nero got a lot less hate
after the first stage people backed off of him
A lot of hate was directed at viol2t/fdgod
Rawkus is double cheeked up sheesh
what happened ?
Hot take, nero sucked last year
He was pocketed on echo the entire season
and whenever he played any character that the team didnt play around him, he was god awful
His mei was fucking terrible
I wasn't really impressed with him, but others thought he was good so I thought I missed some stuff
Yeah no everyone just went on the hype train cause he was getting hate
its like the swing to swing back
He complained about getting hate so everyone just assumed that it was very unjustified and hyped him up
When his only pop off moments was when he had a full fucking pocket from some of the best supports in the league
Its never justified to send a player death threats or hate
But Nero's play was not good.
Agreed. Those Torb comps were just āwe are getting tracer diffād so hard we need halp!ā Comps.
They should have perma benched him and ran glister ans the whole season honestly
Glister is a much better flex
guess what
paris has glister now
imo onigod naga was top tier
but naga glister
if they manage to click
goated
Still⦠Parisā¦.
We will seeā¦
trust
i think it was more of like
nero wasnt a top tier fdps but at the same time he wasnt the reason why shock were bad
been like that 4 months
The notes š
it's just a fact
he's delusional
i dont remember the gay part
but he probably said something
True
He wasn't bad at all
Not to mention echos get pocketed all the time idk why that's an argument
Leave is probably the most pocketed player in the league
Doesn't make him bad
When jinmu is on pharah he gets a bigger pocket
But for most heroes leave gets the team pocket yeah
That's not a hot take
Just a bad take
Nero was absolutely solid majority of last year
The only times he didn't look great, or didn't look his best was vs pelican lmao
He was easily the most consistent player after the first stage as well
No clue how you think he was bad besides brain rot
Was a consistently solid A tier fdps
People just didn't think highly of him because he didn't have an s tier tracer
I do agree that his mei was pretty rough to start out the season, but imo it developed to be pretty solid towards the end of year
i actually disagfee
i think his mei was quite great
from Start to finish
and has always been one of his stronger herod
a tier /=/ top tier
fearless:
My issue with his mei in stage 1 mainly was he being a bit too reactive and not pro-active
The shock atl match stage 1, he mainly used wall or ult after pelican did, which costed them fights
His mechanics on mei though were great
i like neo goats
That meta was something
6 dva bombs in a fight
12 ults being used in the first fight
It reminded me of goats in the sense that watching not top tier teams at the comp play it was miserable
but watching two good teams was pretty fun
yeah
not like theres many other options
Alex Finnsi and the SMC weirdo or maybe KR FAās
cool
Vestola probably better than all of them
^valorant team not OW, but found it funny
sugarfree to win champs
was he actually good in tendies
Yeh, his Mei was like odd, not synergizing with the team and such, it didn't help anything and was used more like spam icicle and blizzard
He didn't isolate or contesting a bit of space.
Violetta better
Essenza back at it again with the pepega takes š
Essenza have a good take challenge (impossible)
Same difference
Yes
Super good
A bit like sugarfree now
But imagine if sugarfree went to global gauntlet and pounded yaki
thats way too many numbers
the limit to how many numbers you can have in a name is 1
otherwise its too compelx for my brain to understand
the difference is that i dont become asian to be in some movies
lmaoo
yes
which movie
schools esports leauge has an overwatch branch, lets goooo 
S9mm very good echo
From his streams his doom and genji are also pretty good
Solid hanzo too
Very similar hero pool to nero, although I haven't seen any torb and not a lot of mei from his streams
ghost in the shell?
sc9rl5ttzhou spark
cy9nzhou charge
nothing can beat the pepega jack takes
W
s9mm is aight
Hes only there for tracer echo and mei i think
Naw theyāre gonna play Viol2t/Kilo in hitscan heavy metas

Proper overrated
If Viol2t can bench Glister and Nero he can bench some random kid from contendies no problem 
yes
Ur a bozo
wallahi
tracer echo is a comp
s9mm echo proper tracer
LMAO
im just sayin
viol2t might be better than s9mm on echo...
Then FiNN plays fs
and then when they inevitably sign moth
he plays ms
No
you're taking the shitposting too far man
yeah, here's the correct version
GZC > HZS > SHD
Chengdu Zone
Then everyone else in NA
then Seoul
Give me reasoning and logic
LiGe>Void
Fate shit on winston
Shy>Lip and Fleta
Superrich>LJG
Thats most of the roster
Therefore Spark>>>
Yeah but Dragons donāt have Architect or a winston otp
Now we're in the dryest season ever and wait till april
Unless valiant shake up things
Apparently the only echo in NA better than s9mm is speedily
Granted every NA contenders player gives really high praise to speedily on doom/echo
NA contenders isnt that high a skill ceiling
I think speedily is good
But being worse than him is probably just a bottom tier player
I have high high hopes for this na contenders class but I also will wait and see because most non apac tenders prospects have been lackluster af
When they make owl
Besides Kevster
Iād rather not remember him but yeah
I mean people have said speedily's echo would be top tier in owl
And also remember someone like s9mm gets to waltz in with crust/ninek to coach him
I'm mainly of the mindset that we just have to wait and see for most t2 players when they get into owl
Of course expectations for people who are super highly regarded like pelican
Pelican can become the best dps player ever
tbf NA is a shit region
but yeah s9mm echo isnt bad
and i expect shock coaching to get him to A tier just like nero
S9mm will probably look good this year
tjats because kevster is the best OW Player behind leave
What about Void :/
Ow player is an insult to void
anyways i think s9mm will just be a new nero, Solid wont win them a championship tho
or rather wont elevate the team to new heights
thats gonna be propers job
I think his echo can peak higher than nero
Wonder if they'll sign another tank or just solo ride with super
or if they'll opt for a MS to round out the supp line
Probably gonna sign another person in tank and ms but they are waiting like the rest of the teams
I got a bold prediction
I think teams that field the same tank for majority of the time will perform better overall than teams who swap tanks
Itās too far out for me to confidently make a prediction like that, it could really go either way
I think itll be entirely dependent on what becomes meta
i have a gf
Congratz of the new body pillow then
like if the meta is open then i can see the benefit of having running 1 tank
but if the meta is hard ball for example
and then later in the season its hard dva
teams w just mt or ot gonna fucked
I just think unless an OT like sig or dva is hardcore meta, running a MT player is just better
just get someone who can play everything lmao
4head
Just get someone who plays everything
Thanks for this amazing input uvalo
your welcome luigi
i mean they did pick up glister so they are doing that
Paris IS bad
Who asked you twink
Glister is a big pickup
How
Please don't actually because the last time we both supported a team they ate shit
nyxl is stinks more than my asshole
good to know
Let's fact check this
nah nah its fine luigi if we both support a bad team they will be good
Yeah
its the reverse
That's how it works right
Why tf do I even look at this channel anymore
yea yea
Luigi is the dumbest man alive
paris will be super mid next year
And itās not even close
nah did you see what scarlet posted earlier?
I am not
he's the one on the dumb shit bro
Please just stop talking
that is coming from mister 0 braincells
This is harassment
luigi is not dumb
Tf is Scarlet
The spasrk simp
Oh
Yeah true
true+
true
Settle down Luigi
and u have a gf

