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I hope Dallas sign more than just Edison for hitscan
Someone like Develop or MN3 or Ezhan
edison gonna prove u wrong
rare dallas L imo
Just like Edison proved us wrong by being the weak link on Reign?
Edison was a good pick up
he didnt play over kai and peli bruh
still rlly good
According to multiple sources, former Shanghai Dragons DPS player Rak-Hoon โDevelopโ Chae, has supposedly been signed by the Guangzhou Charge
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Rip Seawave
Unless

According to multiple sources, the Philadelphia Fusion have promoted DPS player Hyun-Woo โZestโ Kim from T1.
Wow
I am shocked ๐ฎ
reaper guy
Fielder friendship
Huge but no seawave or xzi now :(
Wow who wouldโve guessed
Fielder GC BUSAN nepotism
its a lil risky
but he does have great peaks
good pickup
But he covers the tracer and the hitscans
Sp9rk1e already proved himself on tracer last season
His tracer is good but it's not going to compete with top tier tracers
Fleta and lip gapped him after may melee on tracer
And yaki had the case of "my team fucking sucks"
it allows them to play Edison tracer sp9rk1e echo
i dont rate Doha echo high
Really?
Doha echo was ok
But he had the mechanics down
ngl
edison at dallas isnt suprising 
he still wont play cause dallas doesnt wanna make sparkle play with other dps
?
Really I thought Doha Mechanics were the weakest
unless they need a hc
I thinkink in general he's a smart player
But I'm worried like is Edison gonna be their hitscan hitscan cuz like..
they said it was
shouldve gotten ans
mebe
Edison sniper is a little interesting but they literally had no sniper so it isn't like we have a baseline to compare it to
Yeah
Which is why even though Edison isn't some insane game changer he's also filling in for nobody so it isn't like it hurts them
its like stalk3r on seoul
I could see Edison benching doha a lot
real?
Edison is kinda like striker imo hero pool wise
I find edison a bit underwhelming for a hard hitscan
like i dont think he's s tier on cree widow ashe and dont think that's a hot take either
I don't think he is s tier on any hero
probably
But I do think sparkle's echo is better than his tracer
they are probably gonna need a sniper 
so edison on tracer lets them run sparkle echo
maybe their plan is to have 3 really flexible dps players
yea
when ow2 rolls around
Edison is pretty flexible
EZ
internt diff
Subjective but I think Sp9rk1e better
but also we talking about ow2 not ow1, we dont know how much the heros are gonna change, their core gonna be here
idk i personally put myunbong above him
myunbong definitely better
better than crimzo
i would call him overrated but better than crimzo
i think i wouldnt be super surprised to see boston get another fs
seems like what teams want to do
but
also
crimzo > myunbong
๐ฅฑ
if (insert team) got muze they would be insane
myunbong this season didn't look super impressive if im being honest, Crimzo had way more of an impact in s4 I think
though I still think myunbong is very good ana

double tank of the same type part 2 in Seoul ez
muze for dva
Fury
he was?
i think toyou>gbs
kalios maybe
thonk
Woohyal
seoul
F4zE is lft?
Fury Jjonak Profit
S1 gods making a run
๐
yeah
i think id take f4ze over woohyal
him and someone looked a bit doodoo on cc
Cane
also in rcowcord halo said hes not gonna do anything involving fury
so itll be a full surprise
Cane
I don't know why he played over attack
his sig was like
okay
he had some questionable ults
Hold up so you're telling me Boston has a chance?
punk 
Yea true. And was valentine official?
Crimzo will never Boston Up
Boston screams mid unless their DPS pickups are fat

This roster swap myunbong for Crimzo and then a bunch of bottom tier players was mid, so Crimzo upgrade means mid even if they get shit players for every other role I think
And that's assuming they even find players worse than stand1 im37 lmao
Which I doubt they can
The final piece of our support line is ready to do some damage โ๏ธโ๏ธ
Join us in welcoming @FunnyAstro to the team for the 2022 season! https://t.co/D9KN0lWxxC
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Swapping moth for the other moth lmao
Worth noting that this supportline is gonna POUND
Fastro more flexible
except fastro has a brig that makes it worth subbing him in over skewed if they plan on playing not brig
He can Brig
easily top 2 support line
Funnyastro is moth plus brig minus a Lil mercy ๐
wowwwww
im honestly a tiny bit surprised
and honestly i think fastro would be a lucio 1trick
on this team
skewed flexibility is just too op
It's a great lineup I just don't know what astro adds that moth didn't besides brig which moth regardless wasn't playing
Unless one of these players fall off hard in OW2 this should be top3 supp line minimum
To quote harsha: something something I think mechanics will be valued more than anything else

FDGod redemption arc? Mechanic Andy's about to off ๐
fd back to pari
Why does Boston look so incredibly mid ๐ญ
Mid better than what they were the last few years 
It feels like Florida last year where they literally changed nothing except downgrade tank and main support hehe
Well Ms is eh since Kris wasn't great either but main tank ๐ญ
I think the supp line went up
Eh slime was just such a letdown it felt like
slime was def better than kris
Slime > Kris but also Kris got to OTP brig
With a heavy heart, I'm leaving the @LAGladiators. I grew a lot as a person here in my four years, and I'm proud to have worked with all the players and coaches, past and present. All I can say is I tried my absolute best and I gave all of myself to the team each and every year.
@ glads fans
They replaced fate sayaplayer with oge checkmate tho ๐ฅบ
Oh shit never mind Astro is good again
Whoโs the glads fan here
Uh pingable name
imagine not having a pingable name
also I rejoice
Space as the sole tank and no birdring sadge tho
Finally they fucking dropped dpei
hopefully they get someone with a brain
@vagrant cargo
4 years and only one tourney win to bring home
So who are the head coaches
We got
JFeel
Uh
Whoโs the other one from Shanghai
bye dpei
Was it Dongsu
Not the bald man 
NOHILL 
Can't believe nohill managed to burn all his bridges and dip after being a nutty coach ๐
Like what an actual throw
Dpei gone? Crimzo boston? wth
LETS FUCKING GOOOOOO
LMAO
but i am no longer glads fan
I mean he was right in his criticisms of s3 owl saying I'm t2 random guy and I could destroy ria and the hunters they're dog shit because he wasn't wrong at the time but it was such a throw to do that lmao
signs like wizardhyeong or some shit
who are u fan of now
He was probably right but yeah no point in being that way if you arenโt even in owl
And want to be
Also where Diya go, he just left 
The final piece of our support line is ready to do some damage โ๏ธโ๏ธ
Join us in welcoming @FunnyAstro to the team for the 2022 season! https://t.co/D9KN0lWxxC
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Not even a confirmation still on liquidpedia 
Funnyastro now that team is mega stacked
WHAT TJE FUXK IS HAPPENIGN
my fav teams are stacked
i love u bostons thanks for getting a solid non contenders player
Yes
astro can play lucio/mercy/brig
He can
glads backline is insane
samito when they buff cree
He has a mercy that isn't as good as moth but it doesn't matter 
Best support line?
hello losers
Iโd maybe
why brig when you have skewed
what the fuck is happening
astro to glads is wasting talent
we dropped dpei it's not anymore
lucio
Sadge
fuck it
perma benched
good pickup
Naught we dropped dpei???
REAL????
hey, why can I delete other people's messages in this chat?
where new dps la :/
I can too ๐
dan with mini mod powers
๐
prolly cause u have coordinator
With a heavy heart, I'm leaving the @LAGladiators. I grew a lot as a person here in my four years, and I'm proud to have worked with all the players and coaches, past and present. All I can say is I tried my absolute best and I gave all of myself to the team each and every year.
trade skewed or moth maybe?
apparently
Irk
this is dangerous
Idk
100% keep skewed
Glads champs?!?!?!?!?!
Moth left ๐
moth left anyways
yeah, but that gives me that power, in this chat?
No dpei game over
do it before empathy notices it
but they have the money to fill their holes honestly
I meant game won
clean the whole chat
I s try pod
i'd ask empathy because it might be a goof
Rumor that Shock are going to sign WGS Phoenix players
seems to be only in #esports-news and #esports-discussion so it must be intentional
is this real
in #esports-discussion is weird
in #esports-news is understandable
will we?
I think glads backline looks great, but I'm not making any conclusions because their backline looked this insane last season and they barely made a run in the last tourney before playoffs with the top teams already out.
Ok
probs not
Route #5:
๐@SFShock
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๐Arrived: Fuel.
We're excited to welcome @moth_ow to the Fuel! #BurnBlue https://t.co/xTTK2fTsAj
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imagine ans on the glads
well ig we cant trade him npw
Nice bait ๐
:/
my man
wait hold up
oh wait
moth is joining my team
is it DaIIas Fuel
Moth to Paris ๐
Huge pickup for the all Korean masterminds
also 2020
i have a gf
London when shax sparkr are still mid in ow1 and they don't make any changes because mid was the best they had ๐
so many announcements today
anywhere muze goes
wonder if shock will announce anything
lol
I have your mother
@next mesa
JJangu to shock
chipsa to atlanta when
wit the
lol

weird eyes mik
who
put some glasses
imagine if he actually gets signed O_O
remember that bait last year by the fake dallas acc
Kind of depressing London kept their best pieces and their best pieces are mid so no matter what they build around them it'll be mid. That being said I'm still super excited to see shax and sparkr play more ๐
would die of laugjter
i have you
?
I have your head as a rent free living space
should have just restarted from scratch imo
those rings looks nice
damn
Mik you 1v1ed sparkr once right, tell us is London winning a title next year
imagine this mf dominating the league

did y'all hear about the scrim rumors?
Which ones
we used to play a lot with SparkR when he was 13-14
he went by "assassinkitty" nick
there were rumors that paris eternal was DOMINATING
tragic he was delayed so far and then put into an unfortunate situation but at least he's secured his spot in S5 afaik
god lord funnyastro in purple
shock also looked like they could win against shanghai in scrims
Shax looked so sadge last year 
london should just pick up the players paris dropped lmao
instant improvement
he was on Lav
If moth had been like s3 moth it would be more controversial I think but given the circumstances Astro is a good pickup

yah
funny thing is skewed is back
moth was more sought out last year than he prob is going to be this year
It's not moth's fault his heroes weren't meta often
Skewed is back so Astros brig is kind of redundant yeah but who knows astro can match moth Lucio and mercy isnt going to make or break them
yeah
and it's not his fault dpei fucking failed to coach a team to play around lucio
astro's brig is good enough that he can bench skewed
dpei was fiiiiiiine
yeah and moth also sacrificed for shu skewed backline
Sucks a top tier MS gets his reputation shit on because of shitty coaching
bruh, could be worse
no reason to limit yourself by having a main support that can only brig
cuyo he won a single tourney across 4 years
could be a lav coach
can we do a #esports-discussion vc night where we just scream and call eachothers teams shit???
Yeah idk why glads never used their Lucio despite every other team using hella Lucio when they had a top tier Lucio ๐ค
and that was the one tourney the two best teams weren't in
dpei is in for another year pf being carried
mine might be hard to call skitt
glads allergic to rush
dpei is off glads now anyways
yee
Hopefully they don't butcher astro's reputation
i pray
Dpei gone?!?!?!?!?
Dpei was hard carried by a superstar roster
Moth reputation is barely even butchered he just hasn't played in a year so nobody knows if he's top 2 main support anymore or not
nah moth is mid
last time he played he played good
moth rich as all hell a 2 time champion washing the bench
funny enough it was against shock last time he played
the answer is maybe top 2 but probably top 5
and im sure glads payed moth a shit ton to sign him
for all we know moth doesnt even want to play. maybe like smurf where he bench himself
''ahh yeah boss i guess moth just wasn't it, let's just try astro this year''
Dpei flopped with void decay Kevster birdring moth muze space skewed shu the goat Oge and the goat Roar ๐ค
like
moth hasnt announced an LFT post yet right?
Moth doesn't post shit
as far as im aware
shouldve been a championship
you cant flop with kev a s tier na dps and the legend birdring supported by the god shu moth a legend and skewed and the rookie hotshit muze 
oh
he barely post
i dont think moth even needs to post a lft
maybe he wanted to retire after s3 but decided to farm the glads for money with that back to back championship win before dipping out into nonexistence
he's a 2x champion
Shock picking him back up
some dont use it only the ones who need to do
Dpei having decay and void 
The supporting cast being Roar surefour hydration Ripa 
moth ain't going back to shock
moth goes to vancouver
He left for his own reasons already, doubt he would want to return
moth goes to lamp
weird way to spell money
To get a couple mil from Glads
didn't moth leave because he just felt like glads had a better chance at winning
Glads paid him so much
i think houston is moths next home
unless those reasons also left shock
iirc i've heard it was more than money
tired of crusty yelling
moth saw shock becoming not as dominant anymore and tried to flee the sinking ship only to board one that was on fire 
apart from its hard to keep that many player for a number of times
super went down with the ship as all captains do
super is their IGL?
This still has to be one of the goofiest rosters in hindsight lmao
wtf
Moth about Glads: Moth: No, this definitely wasnโt a pre-planned decision. It was a really tough decision for me to make, and it was something I was really thinking heavily about every day leading up until I told Glads (Los Angeles Gladiators) I wanted to join. I went into the off-season with an open mind. I wanted to look at all my options as objectively as possible, and just make sure I make the right decision. Iโm really excited to play with all the players on Glads and I really think itโs a championship level roster.
igl???
Like knowing every players career now it is so amusing to see surefour Ripa on a team with void decay
we have some really good players but also some really bad ones
forgot ripa was on glads
shock players when they're no longer the best team be like

makes sense
remind me
in-game leader
ooh
Super and Viol2t are believers
technically voilet is the shot caller
super can't leave shock since 90% of his shirts are shock merch
so an in-game leader is the guy that calls the rapid fire during game strats
pretty sure most owl teams rotate the shot caller
also shock I don't think has a dedicated shot caller
Everyone that's played with moth said he's a goated shot caller iirc
Me with being a NYXL fan
think it's something people just pick up in the game
super is when he's in
a coach determines the plan of the match and an IGL adapts that plan to whatever is happening in game
but in ow everyone shotcalls basically
^
not shotcalling
Everyone contributes to it
ms do more like ult tracking and shit tho
an IGL is the guy that calls for a mid game adaptation
i still never expected a shock rebuild
and everyone else on the team listens to him and executes with 100% belief
crusty is gonna have to channel some dark magic
less than m1ka probably
Is the igl the dude with crown next to his name on liquidpedia? Or is that just an arbitrary captain that means nothing
probably the latter
last time he played was against houston
man..shock and wasting taiyo
It isn't wasting when your other team members are just better ๐ค
as far as i know team captain = lead the team outside of the server (get along, well-being, discipline)
igl = lead the game in the server
Yveltal when he was the team captain 
this is a team not a fucking daycare
decay on fuel 
which is funny cause shock was known for having good team culture
well you see there is no good team culture when there is no team left
didnt decay leave the fuel before he went to justice
yes
FUCK DECAY FUCK DECAY
he joined justice right as the playoffs started
Insert Crimzo love it when the person who ruins scrims beats you tweet
^^^
yeah and they about beat the shock out of playoffs
captain that means nothing
imma keep it real i do not like decay
lots of teams don't have the crown symbol
rlly
never wouldve thought
captain sbb
i beat him up once irl
no โ
well
seoul
sign good coach
plz
plz plz plz plz plz
only missing piece
gimme tobi rascal jfeel nohill ๐
no they still need a main support and an off tank
they have vindaim
(not confirm)
meko
so far hes been prtty accurate
he's also missing a bit more stuff this year
who do they sign to play off tanks
yeah thats what im wonderinnnnn
dpei
ah ofc
wait
best idea
no

does he own the team?
maybe
was he always called o2boss?
good assumption
who knows
that be an improvement to wot they have now
Seoul got a nice pickup
watch seoul sign like hotba
according to liquipedia he is both
hmm
general manager and head coach
interesting
maybe he owns the team or partially does
he looks like the kinda guy that would own an esports team
wait wuh
crimzo boston?
atlanta? wya
is atlanta doing this shit again
waiting till february to sign a team
?
why would atlanta sign crimzo when they have uv
question is why did florida not sign him
are they getting sir majed
even if atlanta signs uv brad is still coaching and is probably thinking of fielding a medium size team
they only had iris last year too
thats mostlyy try causse brad fell on his ass managing a 13 man roster
i expect to see 8-9
eh
idk
team worked much much better as like an 7-8 man
i dont think they're going for 12 man or anything
they might sign another fs tho thats for sure
but they already have uv who's a banger
just go for some budget option
you can rlly only for budget if you have a solid position so someone like nero kai hawk gator and maybe another mt
maybe a kr dps pick up
or snatching and actually using moth..maybe getting a average player like joobi who will just do his job and nothing more
yee
eqo would be a nice signing
i believe 
philadelphia kept eqo as a hidden weapon so idk how he will function as a starter
tru
craziness happened
i hope he does well 
fr
i also hope shock makes a fucking signing
that wot i did im like lets loom through my notifs and boom
it is very strange 
tru looks a bit weird
It looks almost as weird as super NOT in a shock jersey
tbf its going to be weird to see someone whos been on the same team since the leagues been alive in a diff jersey
its been rumored that they have just no official ones
yeah
my poor brain aint used 2 it
like jjonak
wherever he goes will be a shellshock
this tweet still hurts
it took awhile for like fearless
it hurts so much.
i feel like going into year 6? carpe will@be the only player in his original jersey
Super.
yeah especially jjonak
Super's going to cpmete as a husband
super will never retire
super will compete as a grandfather
super retires when the overwatch league ends
the face of owl will never retire.
right superr
even tho i dont like shock seeing teammates part rlly does hurt
i still canโt believe shock are rebuilding
fr
to be fair we kind of needed it
never thought wed see it
we'd never really adjusted our playstyle
only brought in new players to fill old roles
e.g fdgod for moth's lucio
a new coat of paint could be what we need
honestly shock wouldve been fine going into 5v5 with the roster they had but i guess everyone had there own issues
everyone else just caught shocks bs
It sounded like internally they were having a chunk of issues
yeah there were def internal issues as well
yeah
like we heard from nero that he was struggling to live up to expectations set by rascal
So it seemed they wanted to just have a fresh start
and we saw fdgod get heat for nothing from toxic fans
Keep some core pieces and build up from there
the pressure of shock is pretty big for the players
like you dont go into a 2-time championship winning team and expect it to be smooth sailing
Not winning might be a good thing
well they did win 2 championships back to back
It allows the players to have less pressure on their backs
so ofc you have to fill the shoes
i think not winning is good for us here
relieves some of that pressure
if we'd gotten the 3peat we wouldve been even more pressured
As low expectations as u can get for shock....
I'm mainly excited to see how shock does with rookies
bruh im so excited
to see proper
in owl
since the only two rookies they have ever had before were ta1yo and ans
Ta1yo never played but ans ended up being insane
ans was fucking en fuego
taiyo was a smoking hot model so
they both had their positives
viol2t smurf were rookies too
i remeber when shanghai beat them in stage III and violet was ball
lol
Insane pick up! I'll finally have a reason to support one of my hometown LA teams. Take care of my guy @dpei_ow https://t.co/ziBqJYpVmL
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oh man dpei leaving is sad
who they gonna replace him when they just had their best season with him?
Well thereโs the two Shanghai coaches
And uh
NoHill
GetAmazed I would say but heโs getting no trials
no they joined S2
I mean when you are rated bottom two coming into the season being over hyped is going to happen for the most miniscule of wins
Jack must be celebrating rn
I think getamazed was over hyped because the roster was very very underrated
4 mickey mouse wins

If my team gained a top 2 main support and lost a weak af coach I wanted shifted for 3โ4 years I would be celebrating as well
moth to philly next
isnt philly going korean
moth is korean enough
Trading Astro for Moth would be an L
moth should go on Shock
moth goes to vancouver
Idgaf about fastro but losing dpei is something to thank god for ๐๐
?
my guy doesnโt give a fuck about getting a top three ms
we had one last season and he was benched cuz skewed best brig in the world
You were probably pissing everywhere when moth was signed
if brig somehow isn't the best character in the game in ow2 I'm happy
Astro lucio moth lucio comparable
Moth mercy > Astro mercy
but right aside from that
I'd take moth over astro on mercy and lucio
Like put Astro on Shoc with Viol2t
Playstyles counter eachother
Like the FDGod scenario
I think astros lucio is better if you need a lucio to individually pop off
But I would take moth if you just need the lucio to do his thing in rush
At one time Moth was better
But the more time progresses the more I feel that Astro gets better and better
Which is why Fusion parting with the chap puts me through unbearable pain
moth has peaked higher but astro has also had more playtime recently
if moth gets playtime on a decent team I reckon he'd improve just as much too
Astro has recency bias tbf, we haven't seen moth since may so of course astro feels better
it's like moth being benched makes him a dogshit player
He isnโt
Iโm just making an arguement as to why one top tier lucio main is better than another top tier lucio main
your argument sucks and so do you
So here is my argument as to why the Philadelphia Fusion is going to trade Unique from their contenders team over to the Shanghai Dragons in exchange for LeeJaeGon
I'm glad you're holding out hope bb
it won't happen but it's really impressive how you still choose to support that team and have hope for them
tru
They didn't get Yaki
And look at the last remaining players on the roster
NYXL news is not finalised
After the Super debacle with Halo Iโm taking the leaks with a pinch of sea salt
โHey guys Super is retiring but he is actually not retiring but found another team but that other team is actually the same team he has been playing on for 4 yearsโ
also the day the retirement one came out was the day super signed his shock contract
yeah losing astro is a big ol blow to fusion since their backline was their biggest constant

like no matter how the team is doing you could always depend on that backline to do their job
so sadge
Visa problems fuckinโ suck
sadge
fusion looking for another year of mediocrity
If youโre Fusion you have a choice
dont think poko would've changed anything tho
^^^
if alarm says "i want full japanese team" u go full japanese
Also friendly reminder
Season 3
The Philadelphia Fusion sign what appears to be mid tier fdps โIvyโ
Man comes out the gate with a season where he performs like a top 5 fdps
NYXL shouldn't be allowed to hire top tier fdps players honestly
should be blacklisted
His mei was equal- if not better than peak Rascal
no
Ivy was good
Iโll settle for equal
but rascal's mei s3 was fucking nasty
So was Ivyโs
i think if u swapped ivy and rascal
but not as good as rascal
results still the same
rascal's was a little better at both of their peaks
I swear people forget how good some people were in older seasons
Ivy was nasty pre-nyxl tho 
next i'm gonna hear kai was just as good as ans s3
He was the only mei player s3 that could be compared to Rascal
Youโre literally forgetting about how good Ivy was after he washed up on NYXL tf
I said ivy was good
he definietly was outstanding that season
just saying that Rascal's mei was better
Equal dude
Kai isn't S tier hitscan dont @ me
I wouldn't be surprised if people start forgetting what ans did in s3
Rascal fan moment
i dont get how 1 season where hitscan was weak make ppl think ans isn't s tier
man's still s tier
also
xzi tweeted like
"sad"
there's no more teams for him to go
:(
should've stayed on dallas
sadge
Not exactly
Charge has Develop*
spark has shy
wait really
ayt mb
nyxl has flora*
dragons have jimmy leave
oops
Or at least Charge is rumoured to have Develop
nowhere forh im to go
Spark could always release Shy
seawave needs to be on a team
Itโd be stupid but it could happen
and pineapple
And Aprita
the probability of spark releasing shy is about the same as hunters releasing leave
yes and him
there's no space for xzi
;(
Xzi spark
Fusion are rumoured to be signing MN3 from their academy team
MN3 and carpe already
And Carpe is still under contract
ah
Xzi like london
At least from what the rumours say
well see
We donโt know which teams are gonna move to Asia this year though
vancouver
Maybe Gladiators or Reign implode like Valiant and they sign a full contenders team
how
doubtful
and that was a solid team
Eh
semi
Mid at best
Replace Kai Shax with something like IM37 Na1st
imagine if xzi goes shanghai ( not happening but if )
its already an insane team
like you have Fleta is meta and Lip Void Fate Izayaki and Leejaegon
What's the greatest double sniper duo we've ever seen in owl
adding anyone else would make that even better
Like what team had the best combo of main sniper and off sniper?
well they had diem
hard to say
Did diem lip ever play together
who was one of the best snipers
I don't remember
against seoul last year
striker's hanzo was actually pretty nutty though
yes widow hanzo
Thought uhh fleta played with diem last playoffs
so i'd probably say Ans/Striker
they both did
because Ans> all
Peak ans still didn't beat diem in the 1v1 which makes sense because ans has always been more mechanics oriented

diem was born purely to win the widow 1v1
And 1v1 is a lot of just peaking the right angle
and damn was he good at it 
and still lost the 1v1
Like 9/10 widow 1v1s are won by who is able to know which corner their opponent is at so they don't get caught by surprise




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