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#esports-discussion
next mesa
next mesa
and then idk who they taking cucumber or false
trail perch
I would say False
next mesa
but also if theyre just picking redbirds
trail perch
And who else r they going to pick up
next mesa
Idk about iced
trail perch
Hitscan
next mesa
wub better
next mesa
i feel like iced is kinda overrated on that cree performance in rush
trail perch
Talent
trail perch
Yeah but I doubt that
next mesa
i think they sell yaki for a shit ton of money they can def afford AT
trail perch
Remember when Florida promised not full KR
Then went full KR a month later
So I think prob mixed
Maybe if they can’t get Ojee they can grab vigilante
Or aimgod
wicked pendant
Koreans are just better at this game for some reason
Is it racist to say it's genetic
trail perch
Aimgod has looked good on the Zen on CC
next mesa
Maybe if they can’t get Ojee they can grab vigilante
thats flex support
dum dum
ojee plays ms
trail perch
Is it racist to say it's genetic
Prob a bit
next mesa
uv will be there
trail perch
OLMAO
LMAO
I’m dumb
Maybe they grab sanguinar?
Or Ch0rong
But chorong prob a package deal with vigilante
I think that these t2 Korean rosters are package deals
digital cloud
human genes don't vary enough for a "race" to be intrinsically better at something
it is entirely based on environment and finding the best talent
trail perch
Mn3 and Zest will be a killer duo
next mesa
kr just has a better support esports system
trail perch
Belosrea and Celestyn aren’t a package deal tho, it just doesn’t strike me as that
I don’t think belosrea doesn’t get signed
next mesa
theres limited spots
wicked pendant
Well, I'm an Asian in Asia so I can't be racist, obviously. /s
trail perch
Yeah think about drops and retirements
I think alot of retirements and drops this year
Going into ow2 teams want to be the best they can
wicked pendant
But yeah, I watched a vod of KR Plat, and NA Plat, and the different was actually quite big.
Though I guess that's off-topic.
trail perch
I think vanc and London spend money this year
trail perch
And I think valiant gets sold and Huya spends actual money this year
I think every team actually spends
Even Paris
Because going into ow2, for the first time, they all have chances
And some top players will be LFT cause of new roster sizes
Although the max is still 12 some will def be dropped
supple prism
min is still 6
supple prism
i cant really imagine many teams dropping much players
really the only ones with like 3 tanks
and thats like 5 teams?
digital cloud
considering how ow tends to work meta wise I don't see why there wouldn't only be like, 2 or 3 useful tanks in 5v5
I doubt you have more than one tank player, maybe two occasionally
supple prism
probably more dps players will be dropped if teams rather have the minimum amount of players
digital cloud
why, you actually need two players min for dps
you literally need only one for tank
supple prism
many teams have 3-4 dps
digital cloud
mathematically speaking tanks are going out the most, though how much is uncertain
supple prism
and many of these dps players dont see play
digital cloud
many tanks are only useful in pairs
half the tanks means half the options for synergy
supple prism
why would you drop tank players when they really only play half of the heroes and really only 2 of the tank heroes very well
digital cloud
because now you only need one tank player to play the two or three useful tanks, of which only one is played at a time
supple prism
and since next season OWL is going to be played on a early build so why drop tank players before the game is finalized?
digital cloud
because since it is an entirely new game you can just grab contenders players anyway
supple prism
what
digital cloud
since they will be "growing up" with the new paradigm
supple prism
so you are dropping seasoned players for contenders players who everyone usually agrees is way less competitive than OWL
its not like they are drastically changing the heroes
digital cloud
yes, because the seasoned players don't play 5v5, they play 6v6
hot onyx
I’d drop Stand1 for Kellan or Someone
supple prism
and the seasoned players are far easier to coach to the new changes
digital cloud
and Korean contenders is better than like half of owl anyway
supple prism
bull
hot onyx
I’d drop Michelle for Clestyn or Attack
north relic
Half point of owl is like outlaws
digital cloud
like dalton or daan or any player like them would be in if the teams wanted koreans
you can argue all you want but many of the westerners in owl could easily be replaced with korean contenders
not all, but many
supple prism
then why havent they?
digital cloud
because they like having western players on the team
mortal abyss
Because first of all branding
supple prism
what branding do most of them have? you got like Super and Space
hot onyx
There’s plenty of good western talent
supple prism
for tanks
hot onyx
Could easily make a team of all western players
digital cloud
look, I am not talking about your Kais or Dantehs, I mean like your Daltons, Linkzrs, daans, hybrids
Carcars
supple prism
i thought we were talking tanks
hot onyx
sHockWave Kevster Gator Hawk FunnyAstro Kaan
digital cloud
well tank wise none of the top 5 tanks rn are western
maybe arguably super
eh
nah
hot onyx
Super top 5??
plush grail
daan best mt
plush grail
none of the western tanks are top 5
hadi??????
hot onyx
daan best mt
He’s better than Mano Stand1 and Rio but that’s not difficult
supple prism
all im saying is that its far more likely to drop many of these overlapping dps than the far less overlapping tanks. especially when we dont even know how OW2 is going to be. IF any drops even occur.
digital cloud
drops will occur for tanks, that is simply a fact. when you have less people needed to play it, then they are going to have less tanks
though of course dps will be dropped too
and supports
plush grail
teams like dallas and paris will barely need to adapt
digital cloud
why not paris, do they have a flex god tank?
digital cloud
every tank is a main tank in ow2
plush grail
also they have naga + onigod who are super flexible and they still have tsuna
digital cloud
except hog, hog will always be worthless
and literally every team has a mt and ot player
supple prism
maybe 2023 season will see tank players dropped once OW2 is more stable and teams have had their tank players teach each other the tank heroes.
digital cloud
is this just you being a paris fan
plush grail
is this just you being a paris fan
shut the fuck up
digital cloud
I am telling you, halving the players needed for a role economically dictates tanks will be dropped
supple prism
then why do teams have so many tank and dps players now?
digital cloud
denying it because of uncertainties of what happens with tanks exactly is not reasonable
plush grail
i dont know what denying means so suck it
supple prism
and 15 of the 20 teams have more than the minimum
i only see like 5 tank players being dropped
digital cloud
do you know how permutations work
supple prism
no
plush grail
do you know how permutations work
sotp using wizard wordss
digital cloud
well I won't elaborate, I will simply stop talking about why tanks will be dropped
supple prism
ok then
digital cloud
I bow to your superior experience Chpgmr
supple prism
no need to be a dick. what experience do you have?
digital cloud
I am not being a dick, I am bowing out
raw ermine
nah
trail perch
teams like dallas and paris will barely need to adapt
dallas???
digital cloud
it is scary how social media can find these kinds of weirdos
trail perch
they have pine who hasnt played since 2018
and jecse who is boosted
apparently hitscan is very good
tawdry hamlet
also they have naga + onigod who are super flexible and they still have tsuna
If they can somehow swing someone like shax or shockwave to play tsunas role that'd be ideal imo
trail perch
so they need someone to play that
trail perch
If they can somehow swing someone like shax or shockwave to play tsunas role tha...
shax prob can
no shot he stays with london
tawdry hamlet
If he does he's literally a masochist lmao
last nimbus
yeah I was crazy when I said maybe super
wouldnt expect otherwise from a fellow dutchman
last nimbus
i wish daan could be better Netherlands have 0 rep in owl besides daan
tawdry hamlet
His value got diminished like crazy because of how shit London was despite him putting on tracer performances 💀
last nimbus
Oh wrong ping sorry
digital cloud
I see
last nimbus
daan best mt
I meant to ping this guy as i seem to recall he is also dutch
trail perch
His value got diminished like crazy because of how shit London was despite him p...
yeah we saw him pop off quite a bit
tawdry hamlet
Like you know how gator looked out matched all game yesterday, that's how Hadi looked in every single game of the year lmaoo
last nimbus
Also you guys do realize a big chunk of those players that joined owl didnt just play 2 seasons of contenders
some of them were in contenders for like 2 or 3 years
tawdry hamlet
Yeah for sure like most players in owl had been on t2 teams since 2017
last nimbus
lol
tawdry hamlet
Even a lot of contenders players have been in t2 for years and years
digital cloud
jayne, the man who invented esports?
tawdry hamlet
Jayne 😈
last nimbus
he made it so controversial that chipsa joined owl with like 0 time in contenders
i guess he had a point but still let teams do what they want
tawdry hamlet
I think his point was more chipsa was literally all for the media he was nowhere near good enough lmao
supple prism
Chipsas cousin is a part of the team he joined
last nimbus
thought it was his brother
tawdry hamlet
last nimbus
assistant coach or sumt
digital cloud
I mean, you don't need contenders experience, it just is a basic expectation that you are actually a pro level player
last nimbus
i know it is
digital cloud
but that apparently was not the point of chipsa in the first place
tawdry hamlet
Yeah sado showed contenders isn't necessarily needed but chipsa would be like signing ml7 to a contract it just doesn't work lmao
digital cloud
on the other hand, sideshow was not signed quickly enough
tawdry hamlet
Factual
last nimbus
but chipsa was literally a doom otp with basically 0 rep or anything, joining his brothers team and skipping the whole t2 part is just straightuo weird
digital cloud
I thought ChrisTfer or whatever was his brother in law
supple prism
and was on the team for 11 months
tawdry hamlet
Dude have you seen how similar they look lmaoo
tawdry hamlet
Chipsas brother
digital cloud
oh yeah they are definitely blood related lol
tawdry hamlet
Literally chipsa plus an undercut lmao
digital cloud
what the hell
noble nexus
yeah they're definitely brothers
supple prism
oh ok, liquipedia says brothers
tawdry hamlet
Pretty sure fusion wanted the extra attention and that Chris said he didn't want chipsa on the team at the time actually
I remember someone saying that
digital cloud
there is no way
supple prism
they could have just signed him as a content creator then
digital cloud
that is too much of a coincidence that a streamer would just happen to be chosen for that kind of stunt that is the brother of that guy
I mean, you could sign harb or something if you want a streamer that might actually kind of do ok at pro level
chipsa being his brother 100% makes it nepotism
supple prism
yea its been a year since he left
digital cloud
I was annoyed at the time too actually
tawdry hamlet
at the time fusion was still missing a player in one role the outrage was insane LOL
digital cloud
I kept arguing with people that said it made sense
"chipsa is pro level obviously"
"his doom so good"
next mesa
https://twitter.com/CucumberColuge/status/1442205167361789954 damn what a fuckin chad
Twitter
digital cloud
but I was not aware that it was literally his brother at the time, I don't think?
I cannot remember
next mesa
I mean unironically I think if there was a doom meta chipsa would do fine
if it was a hard doom meta
digital cloud
you were one of the people I had to argue with you piece of shit
tawdry hamlet
Coluge doesn't give a fuck, he knows he has been worthy of an owl spot for two years straight and will always be blacklisted so he just pokes hella fun
next mesa
why is he blacklisted?
digital cloud
but if you could hire a korean player would you
tawdry hamlet
another thing, I would still take ivy or eqo doom over chipsa 💀
digital cloud
pretty sure you would
even purely based off talent, not just him being blacklisted
not sure why he is, didn't he say some shit or something allegedly
tawdry hamlet
that is the other thing, the amount of spots for na players is just simply lower, and with language barriers it is even harder for teams to justify not signing apac talent
earnest leaf
Maybe coluge is just the super toxic one I think
digital cloud
well I can't actually find anything
idk, I doubt he would be blacklisted just over toxicity
plenty of toxic people get into owl
nothing really that bad about it
sexism or racism though probably would not make him look that good
earnest leaf
Yea looking a bit deeper apparently he said that kinda shit a while ago
Despite it being a bit old, no team wants to deal with that
digital cloud
so he said racist/sexist stuff?
earnest leaf
Supposedly
digital cloud
so this is not even confirmed, or you can't find much info on it?
earnest leaf
I spent two minutes looking, idk go see for yourself if you can find anything
digital cloud
I can't, I was just trying to clarify what you meant
I am not criticizing your information gathering skills
novel owl
so what you guys talking about now
idle beacon
so what are we doing until may?
digital cloud
I am watching valorant and doing school
and also possibly designing an ow map for fun
timber plover
Should I spend 200 tokens to buy lucios all star skin?
I’m not a lucio main and don’t play him too often but I love the skin and was wondering if anyone thinks it’s worth it
I’d have to buy 200 league tokens with money
raw ermine
Don't ever buy tokens. its overpriced. OWL just ended, so sadly you will either have to buy them, or wait a while, til april probably.
timber plover
So do u reckon $15 for a skin is too much
especially if it’s a hero I don’t even main
raw ermine
well it's hard to quantify such a thing, but yes
timber plover
I have 400 tokens on my switch account so I can even buy lucio on that I just wanted it on my main
but if I can get lucio on that acc there’s not much point spending $10 is there
balmy wolf
I’m not a lucio main and don’t play him too often but I love the skin and was wo...
Same here but with the mercy skin
rare magnet
if its worth it to you it is and its not very expensive
balmy wolf
Every shock fan likes Shanghai now
im saving for the grand finals skin
any predictions on who it's for, i could see it being a bap skin but izayaki plays more zen and ana
novel owl
sombra / baptiste
balmy wolf
prob sombra
balmy wolf
Im a dps main soo, it's a high chance i dont get disappointed
static shell
Every shock fan likes Shanghai now
I still like shock lol
Shanghai got my uttermost respect tho
timber plover
if its worth it to you it is and its not very expensive
Has cross progression been confirmed for ow? If so the skin could carry over to my main account
unless it’s cross level progression and not cosmetics
balmy wolf
its both
timber plover
Oh so if I get lucio on my switch account I’ll just get it on my main with cross prog
balmy wolf
Idk hopefully
timber plover
yeah
balmy wolf
i play on switch only (hardstuck bronze ;-;) but i'd love to give my friend my acc if i quit
tropic herald
This video got posted with the caption: owl playoffs
earnest leaf
Saw that
Perfect video
Also since nero might retire
Yaki to shock
Would be fat
tropic herald
That would be really good for Shock
sullen berry
This video got posted with the caption: owl playoffs
Playoffs in a nutshell
balmy wolf
ha
tiny pollen
yaki wouldnt be good in shock imo
north relic
Yaki to mayhem
north relic
Istg if I get oge on my team
shadow dagger
This video got posted with the caption: owl playoffs
lmfao
raw ermine
tiny pollen
valiant revival arc
sullen berry
Shanghai Dragons cycle complete
Time for Valiant to fulfill their destiny
An all Korean roster to stamp out the league
willow tartan
Valiant redemption arc in OW2L, just wait 4 seasons.
north relic
What’s the best roster you can make with retired players
tacit skiff
now that the overwatch league is over, my life has no meaning
next mesa
Its probably gonna be ball
like last year striker won fmvp but the skin wasnt tracer yk
hog defining meta
willow tartan
like last year striker won fmvp but the skin wasnt tracer yk
also cuz tracer already had an legendary owl skin
tawdry hamlet
so monke
doomfist
hog
Ball kind of defined the meta but so did sombra
I just think if there were ever a ball skin and it wasn't chengdu that it is a crime
willow tartan
I think sombra defined Shanghai's season
the two stage titles they won was off of sombra
tawdry hamlet
yeah like shanghai wasn't like the ball team to beat until june joust where fate defined that ball pick, but I don't feel like ball was essential idk
willow tartan
its sort of like a striker thing where LIP is so insanely good on sombra that he just deadlifts the team
then again though, ball have led to 3 title wins instead of 2
and it really has been the defining meta
tawdry hamlet
that might be true but hog got the skin simply by being played a ton so I would think sombra but idk
like if that random meta change was enough to make the skin hog then surely sombra being relevant all year is enough
willow tartan
do you think that ball tracer sombra was the best comp this season?
north relic
do you think that ball tracer sombra was the best comp this season?
Sym mei
willow tartan
like in the summer showdown we saw shanghai pull out the counter comp in the finals. was that a better comp against the ball tracer sombra or was that a team diff between dragons and hunters?
tawdry hamlet
imo there is a reason dallas la and dragons all peaked this year on tracer sombra
willow tartan
like would they have pulled it out if they met chengdu in the grand finals for say
willow tartan
you know what actually yeah
ball comp aside
winston comps or orisa comps or ball comps all were played with sombra/tracer a lot of the time
tawdry hamlet
LA really liked the classic look with monkey tracer sombra
it seemed like their comfort comp
same with dallas
when they couldn't run genji that is lmao
tawdry hamlet
I think LA played this season a lot like Philly last year actually,
last years philly I think were the first team in na that is to realize you can one trick sombra dive to the top
in apac shanghai learned that way earlier
willow tartan
they were doing it in may melee when they could get away with it
willow tartan
o7
LIP is Diem's successor, to carry on the name
wtf I was going to check stats lab for hero picks but shanghai is removed from it
i cant see any dragons stats
tawdry hamlet
Looking back it's pretty wild the preparation diff between Houston shock opener, like if you told me the Nero and glister in those games were the same ones playing now I would be surprised because they looked really bad 💀
Like you can see shock didn't prepare so happy was able to farm
Then regular season hit where everyone was grinding and he fell off
willow tartan
and also they couldnt 1trick rush to a victory
though looking back at it, it was enough to be no. 1 NA
tawdry hamlet
Thinking about how with taiyo in they lost to hydration mei 😈😈💀
That's what sucked about Atlanta they were good enough at rush to beat all of na and make Hawaii barely even trying but then they lose to dive so it's like, do I hate them for winning over a more flexible team or do I be happy an underdog is making it to tourneys 💀
Basically I think more people hate Atlanta for winning than hate Atlanta for beating their favorite team lmao
Like more people hate seeing them successful than people actually mad that their team lost lmao
willow tartan
hate the more flexible teams for mirroring rush
earnest leaf
tbf that game
Happy played his best series vs shock
I don't remember him peaking that hard at anytime this year
but decided he wanted to beat shock that day
tropic herald
It’s that time of year where halo is on push notifs
earnest leaf
I re-followed him today lmao
tawdry hamlet
willow tartan
lets talk about the upcoming cs:go major instead 
dont worry guys astralis will 4peat. just like shock
next mesa
what up gamersss
willow tartan
whats your favorite esport to watch in the off season?
next mesa
overwatch contenders
willow tartan
overwatch contenders only have a few thing
next mesa
look theres only 2 things I watch
overwatch contenders
and competitive minecraft peeveepee
on a serious side ill be watching val champions
thats about it
bright leaf
has anyone received the grand finals spray? i can't seem to find it in my account
willow tartan
it hasnt been added to the game i think
toxic prairie
Where do you get the spray, i got eveything else but the spray for some reason
willow tartan
Probably comes out in a later patch like all the other OWL sprays.
willow drum
willow tartan
woooo
tawdry hamlet
JJonak profit and carpe are the three names I can't see on another team no matter what
gusty rampart
JJoNaK stays on NYXL or retires
gusty rampart
JJonak profit and carpe are the three names I can't see on another team no matte...
Super too
Perhaps even Mr. JaeGon
willow tartan
LIP on not dragons would be a crime
shanghai never let that man go
give him 5 year contract
tawdry hamlet
Idk super strikes me as like moth, like he could take a huge contract somewhere if he randomly felt like changing it up
final musk
Idk super strikes me as like moth, like he could take a huge contract somewhere ...
but would he ride the bench just as well?
tawdry hamlet
gusty rampart
Super to Philly if Philly becomes NA
stuck radish
super gets picked up by london but is permabenched by hadi
tawdry hamlet
What's sad is super didn't ride the bench enough this year Smurf did 💀
gusty rampart
Give the man some play time
balmy wolf
how good is Excelsior?
tawdry hamlet
It felt like this year every single game they could they hard forced super lmao
gusty rampart
He had none in 2018 and 2019
tiny pollen
next year is chois turn
gusty rampart
how good is Excelsior?
Usually top 5, this year they began to pick up momentum after a few bad stages
tawdry hamlet
Next year is ta1yo turn 😈
gusty rampart
Ngl
willow tartan
NYXL is usually top 5?
tiny pollen
ta1yo 🐐
tawdry hamlet
Top 5 in apac that is 😈
willow tartan
dude is so weird but
2020 made me feel like NYXL was so shit
mostly because of how they failed to meet expectations
tiny pollen
4th worst team in apac this year
tawdry hamlet
But I want to say apac was better last year? Idk
tawdry hamlet
Basically charge was better last year
willow tartan
then the 4th man is random rotation between fusion hangzhou and nyxl
earnest leaf
Reminder charge dropped all their good players
gusty rampart
2020 NYXL
earnest leaf
Imagine dropping happy/nero/shu lmao
willow tartan
Reminder charge dropped all their good players
Crong
tiny pollen
they got poached
earnest leaf
wasn't crong a sig otp
gusty rampart
Every other year was 3rd or higher than this year
earnest leaf
Best sigs last year were choi/void/hanbin anyways
willow tartan
He was like behind Void in sigma stats and thats it
tiny pollen
stats dont mean much
earnest leaf
stats said mag was the best rein player in the league
who proceeded to get dicked by gator
willow tartan
COMING INTO THE PLAYOFFS
tawdry hamlet
I could see a hard commit to Eileen as a reason to drop Nero since I think Nero wanted to go back to na, choisehwan also turned out really good they just totally fucking whiffed on mykayleee Mandu Kariv. I don't even want to put Rio in there as bad as he is because he at least won a tourney last year 💀
earnest leaf
and gator got walked over by super
willow tartan
hard to judge whether he became worse or his team became worse
next mesa
kinda underrated
willow tartan
or both
gusty rampart
Mag was RoTY material
tiny pollen
?
tropic herald
Crong still good, Guangzhou are bad
tiny pollen
i gotta disagree on mag
tawdry hamlet
I really don't think mag did more than jjangu this year
willow tartan
Void last year had the highest elims per 10 right?
earnest leaf
I'm curious to see who stays good in ow2
willow tartan
I remember like he was leading the league in damage or elims or something
tropic herald
I don’t think Mag is roty but also he is getting underrated Bc his team sucked
tiny pollen
did u see his ball
tawdry hamlet
Mag to Florida 😈
tropic herald
How do you play ball with Bebe Closer
earnest leaf
I'll give mag a second chance next year to prove himself
gusty rampart
Mag replacing OGE would fix FLM
tropic herald
Mag to Atlanta would be goated
earnest leaf
Slime isn't bad just brig was meta for so long and that's his weakest hero
kinda like moth
tawdry hamlet
Tobi to justice 😎
stuck radish
was s4 the season that saw the most brig usage
tawdry hamlet
Him and ttuba can be brig players 💀
earnest leaf
inb4 justice sign lastro and slime next season
balmy wolf
hm
willow tartan
was s4 the season that saw the most brig usage
goats had more
tropic herald
Idk stats wise tbh
balmy wolf
in your guys opinion
stuck radish
makes sense
willow tartan
she has the skin for a reason
tropic herald
Last 3 years had quite a bit brig
balmy wolf
who wouldve given Dragons a run for their money yesterday
earnest leaf
Also I got a bold prediction for next season
balmy wolf
instead of Reign obv
tiny pollen
who wouldve given Dragons a run for their money yesterday
shock 4-2 shanghai
earnest leaf
Ans and Viol2t will be MVP candidates in 2022 (if they stay on shock)
willow tartan
So guys. We all know that some team is going to shit the bed and flop in OW2. Which team is it gonna be?
tropic herald
Chengdu w/o throwing yveltal
gusty rampart
Ans will most likely retire
tiny pollen
if there is no violet main support he will be mvp canidate
tawdry hamlet
Speaking of mid, a Slime Lastro support line sounds like the most mid duo I've ever seen
tiny pollen
if ans retire profit and fits to shock
earnest leaf
Lastro also had michelle sado as his tanks
willow tartan
Speaking of mid, a Slime Lastro support line sounds like the most mid duo I've e...
tobi creative
m1ka coldest
earnest leaf
Ans will most likely retire
No one knows the status of shock players
tawdry hamlet
Isn't it the tanks that depend on the supports for success and not the other way around
earnest leaf
except nero
earnest leaf
Isn't it the tanks that depend on the supports for success and not the other way...
Having the most mid tier tank line doesn't help
tawdry hamlet
But then everyone is like omg coldest is so gooooood
willow tartan
coldest better than IDK for sure
tropic herald
Isn't it the tanks that depend on the supports for success and not the other way...
Both
earnest leaf
The more I think about it, sado/michelle was actually the definition of mid
tiny pollen
Isn't it the tanks that depend on the supports for success and not the other way...
it goes both ways but i would argue tanks are more dependent on suports than sups on tanks
tawdry hamlet
Lastro also had michelle sado as his tanks
Yeah and before that he had dreamer and McGravy so what's the point here 💀
willow tartan
Hadi Highbee tankline + Viol2t Moth backline
tropic herald
I’d say if you have a slightly weaker tankline than supportline it wouldn’t be as bad as the other way around
Ex: glads v justice
tiny pollen
sups most important role in ow
stuck radish
Hadi Highbee tankline + Viol2t Moth backline
that vs fate void tankline + friday gator backline
who wins
tiny pollen
gator backline
stuck radish
yes
willow tartan
that vs fate void tankline + friday gator backline
viol2t just dps zens and wins
stuck radish
true
tiny pollen
hadi is a god
tawdry hamlet
Alright which washed vet is Vancouver taking this off season, I call Colourhex right now 😎
tiny pollen
hadi literally doesnt have a flex support
tawdry hamlet
Mr Logix perhaps kek
tiny pollen
hadi haters -> 🚪
tiny pollen
he is tho
tawdry hamlet
Built different as they say
tiny pollen
put hadi on glads and watch glads be #1 team
earnest leaf
Hadi ints his fucking brains out
stuck radish
hadi silver3 tankline
willow tartan
who would win in a fight. talon or season 1 valiant?
tiny pollen
Hadi ints his fucking brains out
u mean making space?
if he didnt int his brains out his team would do nothhing
earnest leaf
No he inted his brains out and accomplished nothing
willow tartan
no not the team
tawdry hamlet
I think Hadi has the worst Winston positioning in the last two entire seasons. I would take fusions and beast on monke before Hadi
tiny pollen
lowkey silver3 shouldve gone hog
willow tartan
crowd go wild
stuck radish
valiant drew a map against shanghai
willow tartan
More than Atlanta did
tiny pollen
VALIANT IS BETTER THAN ATLANTA?????
stuck radish
literally did better than atlanta
tawdry hamlet
Valiant didn't finish a payload map tho right? Only won a singular control point
gusty rampart
Yes
willow tartan
All that for a drop of blood.
gusty rampart
Titans would win
tiny pollen
truth
tawdry hamlet
Depends on the meta but honestly Dalton Sombra is better than whatever valiant would do imo
gusty rampart
Teru Dalton not the worst
tawdry hamlet
Dalton Sombra shockwave Ashe widow last year is how they beat Atlanta kek
willow tartan
Depends on the meta but honestly Dalton Sombra is better than whatever valiant w...
what if they run that ball mercy comp dragons were running early in the season
tawdry hamlet
Towards the end that team with carcar ksaa on ping shockwave on ping, tsuna on ping, Dalton Shredlock Roolf was cracked 💀
willow tartan
Silver3 Ball, Showcheng D.Va, Krystal Ashe, Molanran Tracer, Highbee Mercy, Wya ana.
tawdry hamlet
Isn't Krystal the better tracer and Ashe
willow tartan
btw NvM was literally only signed to meet the roster minimum right?
tawdry hamlet
I think so I forget he's in owl sometimes
willow tartan
makin 50k for not doing anything
prolly wasnt even in the valiant training base
krystal jealous
tiny pollen
valiant players dont make 50k
tiny pollen
nope
tawdry hamlet
Is he the one who's family is rich so he's just there for fun I don't remember
willow tartan
krystal is the rich one yeah
he's a multi millionaire
or smthn like that
he prolly payin the rest of his team lol
tawdry hamlet
Molanran banana 🍌
tiny pollen
https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/np61wh/new_rumours_about_los_angeles_valiant/
-NvM and Hiko (Assistant Coach) have been confirmed not to be on base or to have been involved in any training with Valiant. Valiant's Player are supposed to receive the league's base salary, but through some loophole in the rules, they are actually paid only 5-6,000 RMB per month after tax (about 950 USD).
grains of salt
tawdry hamlet
I saw that post from months ago and it was never confirmed
tiny pollen
willow tartan
I saw that post from months ago and it was never confirmed
literally no source
tawdry hamlet
That's literally the only cred is he got rumors right before so idk what to think as far as that goes, not that it matters since immortals is dogshit anyway
gusty rampart
They expire at the end of the year
willow tartan
fym they expire
tawdry hamlet
I ended with 195
gusty rampart
Requires Overwatch. Incentives must be redeemed by 12/31/2021. Regional and other eligibility restrictions apply. See Official Rules for details.
willow tartan
Tokens which are awarded but not ‘redeemed’ into
an Overwatch game (including, without limitation, by linking an Xbox Live, Nintendo or PlayStation®Network account
to your Blizzard account) by December 31, 2021 will expire and will not be replaced.
@gusty rampart
AKA token gift cards expire but the tokens themselves do not
cause you redeem them aka add them to your account
last nimbus
does anyone know how much viewers the grand finals got at peak?
balmy wolf
wtf bro? im only interested in ur mom
eternal tide
i ended up with 300
? what sombra skin?
willow tartan
? what sombra skin?
championship skin
willow tartan
It's releasing early next year. They gotta make it first.
willow tartan
no lol im just guessing itll be sombra bc thats shanghai's signature hero
eternal tide
bet
last nimbus
if i were to choose it would be a sombra or ball skin
supple prism
Diya return for OW2?
forest raven
tawdry hamlet
Necros to Paris 😈
tacit skiff
people change like the tides in the ocean
tawdry hamlet
I am so glad this game mode is gone
https://youtube.com/clip/UgzHhQTGexYtboYJHdd4AaABCQ
tacit skiff
squeaky bum time for aww yeah
jagged viper
no lol im just guessing itll be sombra bc thats shanghai's signature hero
or ball
widow for diem :salute:
tawdry hamlet
willow tartan
plucky star
does anyone know how much viewers the grand finals got at peak?
i saw 137k at one point i think around halftime
next mesa
.
north relic
Grand finals peak isn’t even grand finals
plush grail
OwO
balmy wolf
UwU
next mesa
QoQ
raw ermine
LoL
next mesa
Viol2t said that "many players are about to retire"
raw ermine
sullen berry
Dang, been watching her streams and I thought this is what she meant when she hinted that she might not stay on
raw ermine
LMFAO
plush grail
https://twitter.com/ParisEternal/status/1442474156227010562
PARIS FANS STAY WINNING
sullen berry
Sign more coaches like JMac in the Overwatch League
That's what Kuki is going to have a challenge doing. It seems like they start strong, then lose all drive at the end of the season
Surely their coaching staff won't have to change dramatically for their whole roster downsizing
worthy void
owo
stuck radish
if only
worthy void
tepid ibex
Never
round shadow
nero still goat
willow tartan
next year avalla signs a team of entirely brazilian contenders players and they get top 7 in the league
supple prism
EQO did that already
Imagine the entire league pulling a prank by dropping everyone and then signing everyone to OW2
willow tartan
Los Angeles Valiant disband
Los Angeles Valiant 2 join the league next year as an expansion team
hazy spoke
digital cloud
oof
willow tartan
Waiting for Akshon Esports to break down the playoffs :)
digital cloud
wow, esports players always get so stressed
kinda makes me wonder if the idealization of it as a career is correct sometimes
oh well
raw ermine
bottom text
tawdry hamlet
Reinhorse
hot onyx
MuZe moment
gusty rampart
Check smurf twitter
young fractalBOT
The regular patch time is 18:00 UTC/GMT.
This is 11am PT, 2pm ET, 8pm CEST, 4am AEST.
**Countdown: 2 months, 1 week ago ** ✨
north relic
Two months since last patch
willow tartan
tldr; sorry im play bad. wanted to retire. maybe next year play again.
north relic
Give me a stupid buff blizzard owl is gone
balmy wolf
Does anyone know how overwatch league tokens and skins will work in overwatch 2?
Will my skins and credits transfer over? And when owl starts playing next year, will I get tokens even though it’ll be overwatch 2?
next mesa
yep
north relic
Felt so long ago
willow tartan
Will my skins and credits transfer over? And when owl starts playing next year, ...
Yes.
Your tokens are not going anywhere.
dink is just wrong
dont believe him
north relic
What
willow tartan
tokens dont expire
balmy wolf
No I get that
north relic
He said that?
willow tartan
he said they expired
balmy wolf
Will all my owl skins/tokens be synced across games
north relic
I wouldn’t be upset about an mmr reset though
willow tartan
that would make the game shit for a few months
like imagine start of season/end of season queues except its for a whole seasonn
north relic
I mean it’s an entire new game but yes it would be bad
worn falcon
smurf
almost baited me
glad the lad it's kinda ok and hope rest well and take a break
balmy wolf
What about super?
north relic
What about super?
super
worn falcon
super perhaps retires
north relic
Kai probably plays since he had a good season
willow tartan
best szn of his career
north relic
best szn of his career
was Kai in s2
willow tartan
no but he was on a team called "You guys get laid?"
willow tartan
owl league
worn falcon
🦉
next mesa
I hope to see you on ow2
eh I doubt it
i think most people will stick around
for ow2
and season 5
like if the spark doesnt reignite
thats when the mass retirmenet will happen
imo
5v5 just looks ass
skewed said it too
tbh
dont see any actual benefits for pro play
north relic
> owl league
Overwatch league league
north relic
5v5 just looks ass
The only new things were sombra bastion
willow tartan
dev tech demo. probably not final 
next mesa
looks so like cartoony and trying too hard to be minimalistic
north relic
that new UI looks kinda shit? lmao
I agree with what Danteh said
next mesa
what did he say
worn falcon
i dont mind the UI
north relic
what did he say
It’s a Minecraft 16x texture pack
north relic
It’s agreeable and Danteh used to play mc right
willow tartan
Used to? He was one of the best
next mesa
he was a legend in our community
willow tartan
he was top of the ranked ladder for a long ass time
north relic
Mc has a ranked ladder?
worn falcon
God @tropic herald was right, ow forums are very fixated on the "COD" comparison said by space
north relic
What do you do Fortnite build battle?
willow tartan
Super was also a minecrafter, but as far as I know he didn't participate in the 1v1 ladder.
He was a factions gamer
north relic
I thought he was a tf2 nerd
next mesa
Super played speedrun
north relic
He was a factions gamer
factions mmm
willow tartan
Speedrun is?
north relic
Old factions feels so nostalgic
north relic
honestly minecraft had esports potential no cap
What would you do
willow tartan
not after the combat update divided the community forever and irrepably damaged it
north relic
I fail to see anyway how 1.16 pvp is better
willow tartan
It's a preference thing.
Whether you like it or not, it still split up the community.
next mesa
1.8 objectively better srry
north relic
It’s like a tracer 1v1 or a rein 1v1
next mesa
I would make cps less important although i wouldnt change much of it
you could've added more weapons and not touched the sword
1.9 combat update literally killed combat
notice how hypixel is still on 1.8
because 1.9 is dog water
north relic
notice how hypixel is still on 1.8
I’m a hypixel 1.16 gamer
willow tartan
Levy. It's been 5 years.
next mesa
"time hits" bro wtf that shit takes 0 skill
never let go
@north relic yes but its still 1.8 supported
and the combat is 1.8
north relic
Ik
willow tartan
You still sound as bitter as the day it was released.
willow tartan
Don't exaggerate what the combat update did.
next mesa
so its okay
north relic
My friends play 1.8 hypixel every living second
willow tartan
Hypixel runs on 1.8.9 actually, just supports later versions.
next mesa
very good
good updates too
cave update
very nice
im just talking strictly about the competitive community
north relic
I never actually played the cave update
willow tartan
I'm more into mods myself, thinking of opening up a modded server when 1.18 comes out and mods get updated.
next mesa
the ore gen was bugged and told me to wait
north relic
I'm more into mods myself, thinking of opening up a modded server when 1.18 come...
Ed mc server when
wet oak
So has the season officially concluded? Where I can no longer earn owl tokens?
willow tartan
I'll update you when it happens. Be warned though, it's gonna be nerd shit.
north relic
I'll update you when it happens. Be warned though, it's gonna be nerd shit.
Wdym by nerd shit
willow tartan
Wdym by nerd shit
That's what it's gonna be about.
next mesa
is cane actually better than attack
wet oak
Ah ok, just wanted to be sure if there was any extra small and hidden streams or anything like that
willow tartan
Overwatch Contenders. @wet oak
next mesa
attack hasnt played like at all this season
willow tartan
You can get skins.
wet oak
Oh so no tokens but hidden skins in the future?
wet oak
Oh nice! Didn’t know that. Unfortunately I am asleep when it goes live 😔
willow tartan
Waiting for the day 1.18 comes out. With the increased height limit, it's going to open up so many more possibilities with builds and how beautiful the game is. Imagine terraforged with the new height generation. That's what I'm striving for.
Going to be a glorious day.
Biome bundle + Terraforged + new height gen
north relic
contenders should give 2.5 tokens or smth
north relic
Waiting for the day 1.18 comes out. With the increased height limit, it's going ...
oh so you saying you were gonna build dink a sorry world was just a hobby?
willow tartan
oh so you saying you were gonna build dink a sorry world was just a hobby?
I mean we didn't lose though.
north relic
are you actually a shock fan and wanted shock to win to give you an excuse to build in minecraft
willow tartan
No.
north relic
you've been caught
north relic
why are you using periods
his "nerd shit" came out
willow tartan
Have you guys played LOTR mod?
north relic
what is terraforge anyway
willow tartan
That's gonna be cool as hell when it's updated to 1.18
next mesa
naw
north relic
ive actually never played modded mc but i always wanted to
next mesa
sounds cool
willow tartan
Remaster the terrain with increased height limit.
north relic
i spent my childhood watching modded smps
willow tartan
What's stopping you now?
north relic
solo mc is boring
next mesa
team cc kinda sucks now
willow tartan
You've never tried reaching out to modded communities to play in?
north relic
You've never tried reaching out to modded communities to play in?
not really
willow tartan
Or ask out your friends to play with you?
north relic
Or ask out your friends to play with you?
diehard hypixel players honestly
willow tartan
team cc kinda sucks now
dont worry theyl run it back
north relic
also we drifted apart since summer so they got even more attached to hypixel
willow tartan
also we drifted apart since summer so they got even more attached to hypixel
Well it doesn't have to be those people, just get some of your other mates to join you- even if they don't know much about MC. It'll be a learning experience for you and your buddies to learn modded packs.
north relic
me and my friends have always been cheapskates as well and we played those free servers
willow tartan
For a generic pack for first time players, I'd recommend MC Eternal as it provides an easy to understand quest guide and sort of babysits you through progression.
If you're looking for something more RPG-like, then Mineshafts & Monsters is a good try.
Roguelike Adventures and Dungeons is a fun dungeon crawl if you just wanna explore and loot shit.
north relic
what does rpg stand for again other than that fortnite rocket launcher thing
willow tartan
RPG stands for roleplaying game.
Like the elder scrolls series.
SevTech ages is a pretty grindy one if you wanna jump into the deep-end.
raw ermine
Woah the r/ow esports discussion channel is talking about modded mc? Based
willow tartan
If you're looking for skyblock-esque, then there's obviously Sky Factory and Stoneblock.
north relic
i actually used to play hypixel skyblock
raw ermine
Skyfactory 4 sucks, sf3 is where its at
willow tartan
What's your system spec? These modpacks trend towards the heavier side on required performance to run.
tropic herald
Ok
Back to esports
If you want to talk about mc modpacks there’s a really good channel in this server for that
north relic
well fuck
north relic
empathy really wants to join read his about me
novel owl
owl esport where
earnest leaf
ain't shit to talk about owl wise atm
earnest leaf
yea no one likes contenders anyways
north relic
offseason ed should just be general for cultured people
plush grail
just make a server for your degeneracy
north relic
isnt that what r/overwatch is
willow tartan
tier 2 ow
cloud bluff
t2
willow tartan
someone said it was like what the ncaa is to nfl so im gonna repeat that despite not knowing anything about american football
plush grail
someone said it was like what the ncaa is to nfl so im gonna repeat that despite...
braindead shanghai fan
willow tartan
do you think i care about any sport that isnt ow
novel owl
do ppl watch contenders ?
willow tartan
micheal does
north relic
i dont like contenders
plush grail
just talk about onigod
north relic
its just valiant vs titans except it isnt hype
north relic
papadog
cloud bluff
do ppl watch contenders ?
yes
north relic
is bm hawk based on reign hawk?
worn falcon
no
cloud bluff
there is more talking around eu contenders than na probably
north relic
thats a name i havent hear in ages
woohyal?
north relic
innovation sounds familiar
tropic herald
innovation been on cc forever now
willow tartan
staying in tendies jail forever
worn falcon
chorong and ado on the other team
willow tartan
feels like it
trail perch
yea no one likes contenders anyways
im sorry waht
contenders is 10/10
better than owl
earnest leaf
I too enjoy watching teams with different rosters every month
trail perch
its more variety
also that means that u watch NA contenders which is dumb
99% of those players arent owl level
and prob will never be
even the players we see are the best arent close to owl level
remember peak AT and BH went to 5 maps
and we saw how BH did in owl
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