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Atlanta took 4 role players, a rookie prodigy, and a hitscan god to final 2 🙏
we forgot about hog
owwc?
oh yeah it was mvp for shock
overwatch world cup
overwatch world wide celebration?
SOE voting for ATL of course 
that bastion rework makes me happy
idk about sombra tho
i would like to see ow world cup again
0-40 to 4-0. Now that's a headline :)
maybe with ow 2 its a good try to reintroduce world cup
dalluls boomed
Spitfire from champions to last as well
oof
That honor goes to the Valiant.
ow wc is literally the best thing in the entire ow community, better than grand finals imo
And idk Shanghai was insanely good at their comp last year I think they could have beat shock in normal meta, although it'd be close since it was a map 5 stand1
I need to know where Emily finds her jewelry
Like even with stand1 nerf Shanghai took shock to map 5 right? Or was it only Seoul on map 5
For shd to beat shock last year they would have needed a meta like this year
the panda one ?
might be easy to google
shock beat shanghai on dive last year
shock's winston comps last year were still nasty
if shock did use hog in that match it wasnt much
Did they announce skin
2cp sucks dick lol
if it wasnt super hog meta last year i would give dragons the slight edge over everyone
and the earrings, and the elf ear she had on yesterday. Which I assume came as a pair and just wasn't compatible with the earpiece
Stand1 Diem Nerfs 😤
As an APAC member it was always hard for me to understand American culture. What was fascinating for me is that they like bragging about their freedom which was weird for me, because I didn't think that I have any less freedom than them. I always thought 'What is the difference'. However after this game I finally understand it. NA is just so fucking free.
Although genuinely as much as I love diem lip was always better than him 🙏
?
who said this?
From league
OW2 better than the completion of Shanghai's redemption arc
idk who said it
welcome to the world of esports pasta

oooh
its so sad that the shanghai didnt even expect to play atl and then stomped them
Shanghai is so stupidly good at dps talent lmaoo like they had diem Diya erster whoru fleta lip like when tf are they going to sign a dps that isn't really good lmaoo
indeed, beating atlanta was so free
didnt diem retired this season @willow tartan
Yes ☹️
Diem still the back to back Widowmaker 1v1 champion. Don't rag his name.
aw man
LIP will carry on his mantle.
so he doesnt get the ring ?
the ring thing is a thing the shock does
this
is there any point after having the rewards
Oh yes for sure but lip in game dominates him on everything. Early season diem Ashe wasn't looking that spicy
but does it show up in diem achievements?
i hope it does
Still think that Diem was the most mechanically skilled Widowmaker to ever grace overwatch. Ans eat my heart out
that last zen lol
I love diem but ans was something different
I NO LONGER HAVE TO USE ALARMS TO NOT MISS STREAMS FOR MONTHS NOW 
Ans unironically is aimbot
yea
alarm mvp
now hes benched
im still really bummed striker retired
5v5 only sorry!
Maybe I need to rewatch the playoffs games, but last season my hitscan comparisons was Diem best widow, Ans best ashe, Xzi best cree

btw, will we get a SOMBRA MVP skin?
xzi :(
No one was better than ans at widow
did smurf even play in playoffs
No more MVP skins
ashe was more comparable against ans though
these art
I dont believe so, he did ?
and ans too
Ans is the only one to ever match diem on widow imo. A tier below them was the likes of Xzi carpe decay etc. But this is widow only
also no monthly skin?
Ans>every widow
Playoffs fits was up there too.
super still the best rein 🙉
did diem even play more than ten games on widow in owl?
SEE YOU IN 2022
the 1v1 tournament dont mean much
omg the credits are so cute
All-Stars should remains
for a second there I thought Super was turning to ash in this end scroll
Diem was super close to ans, but ans played way more so we don't really know
2022 YAKI MVP NO CAP
idk I can't really take anyone over ans considering what he did
out of reach
Diem was the "secret weapon for playoffs" joke but for real
the credit :)
wasn't expecting a credit
dont leave the stream yet guys
gg
OWL end credits scene
this is one big movie
I have to give my sister a ride home from a birthday party tho so later gamers, also yeah he made me think rascal was good 💀
Rascal was good 😦
But no rascal and ivy were absolute tragedies this year like wtf

ivy washed rascal washed
I think Diem would have soared even higher if he played more on the dragons roster. Just that he managed to do what he did despite not playing that many games coming into the playoffs
Is it cancelled this year? xd
thanks owl
Gives me goosebumps thinking about it.
what happenend that they got rid of the MVP skins?
see yall in april
Yes
I don't think I got the bonus 100 tokens.
it said SEE YOU IN 2022!
Sad
Even if you disagree with that, you have to agree with Diem being the best Widowmaker in S2 though. @earnest leaf
@wicked pendantthe perks is still running rn
So yeah we're not getting S4 All-Stars? lmao
2022 is S5
best dps lineup in s2 
think we just getting a finals skin and thats it
100% in s2
to the students and staff of uni of hawaii
hawaii university of manoa certainly making some big bucks after this lol
o7 OWL 2021
@agile lakewhat do you mean with 'yes' ? 😄 ... my question was what happened tha blizz got rid of mvp skins.
dude you know what wouldve been sick though? if they had like the dragon mascot with a dead phoenix next to them
that would be amazing art
sorry, not that cool yet. It would have happened 10 years ago
💀
man this remix of the OWL song is fire
Sinatraa's allegations made Blizzard uncomfortable including players in the game so they announced Fleta's Echo MVP skin would be the last one
when will DavG25 rip it?
Ow League Perks still running
perked up I see
Will run for another 3 maps worth of time to make up for the sweep
ppl gotta get the reward
@agile lakeahh too bad 😦
wasnt there supposed to be a skin or something?
Like actually?
Ah
They literally just won I dont think they can make a skin in 1 hour
it's been fun chatting here during the owl season
see you later, gamers
This has to be the most unhype, short Grand Finals ever
will let you know when League perk start to end
not that skin
its been fun making fun of gladiators fans
lmao
It ended
Even S2's 4-0 sweep was more hyped
MY MUSIC
yeah it ended
THEY GOT RID OF MY MUSIC
So no more owl tourney till ow2?

Encore is at 11 hours from now
Since there has been no word about All-Stars... Yes
All stars will be happening tho
They didnt say a single thing about it
Like it never existed
itll probs be region separated like last year
They announced Role Stars
Well Role Stars is just Role Stars
Mfw JFeel now has two trophies
Role Stars compete in All Stars..
@agile lakebtw, is that a little doggie in your profilepic?
Its a cow
ahh ye now i see it 🙂
Lmaoo
atlanta reign more like L
OWL themselves mock it
lmao
Such a ridiculous situation
Drawsksya, genji desert map, retake 2nd point over and over simulator
My favorite maps 😍
im 75 tokens away from the all stars rein skin, nooo
all the all star skins are for heros i dont play 
three more Boston Uprising skins to add to my collection
Fucking true I've been saying it all long
He deserved it HARD
I signed up for XPLeague and they said im rlly good at wrecking ball, so idk wich team im going
who
stolen by a dps again
last grand finals viol2t shouldve gotten mvp
this time izayaki shouldve gotten it
that coffin meme
lmao
Hopefully in OW2 Bastions hat will put teams logo on the hat
probably will
anyways, whoever said the dillon francis performance was cringe is missing out on the Paris Watch party, I'd do anything to be part of that stream https://youtube.com/clip/UgysJNFWMLNAjFxA50h4AaABCQ
55 seconds · Clipped by Ecopoint Overwatch · Original video "Overwatch League 2021 Saison | Grand Finals" by Overwatch League FR
It took up too much time to be enjoyable
@sullen berry
guys OWL is over right.. Dragons won right?!!!

I think 2019
That's a YES right?
sorry i meant i think 2019 was longer
Free... did Shanghi Dragons win OWL 2021 finals, yes or no?
click on my profile
ok thanks.. gosh so much work for an answer nowadays
man idk if only there was this magical thing where you could type in a question and it would give you the answer with the knowledge of all humanity
Shanghai are anime protags
i mean.. asking for a yes or no with the human ability to do so... seems like enough
Partly because I originally thought Shanghai was in Japan
but ig not for some reason
Shanghai won 4-0
you're asking the wrong person, yes they won
yall annoying
?
obviously i saw that.. but the wiki didn't update so I wanted to ask humans
but then i get all this attitude
Watch the replay challenge
I needed to know right now
without wwatching that.. thanks
Ask who won
get answer
person makes joke
get mad
its just annoying
Sorry. I thought it was sarcasm when you asked who won.
Then you gave me attitude for it so not sorry anymore.
its always a whole song and dance when you ask a question that seems obvious for otheres
its so annoying
because the game literally just happened
But
and it was a dominating sweep
You got an answer
its like asking "who won?" after a game against the valiant
I gave the answer 
A very human answer
anyway it was a really good series imo, like idk I just feel like taking the cynical side like I did last year felt silly, like why be mad shanghai didn't make finals when seoul put on such a good show. Same thing this year, as annoyed as I could be that the series wasn't close, the show was very good regardless

I liked it because Reign got stomped
Not at all
on god
the leadup and the postmatch wind up are the two very different things for people to enjoy OWL for
Shanghai are the best OWL team of all time
you either enjoyed how a big player like Shock and Fuel couldn't hold a thing to Atlanta
@willow tartan but who won
@willow tartan who won
Atlanta played the god and the lost disciple
We are all winners today.
Shanghai best team, Shock still the best franchise
No, im a winner till sbb goes back to OWL
No Shock Three-peat on this blessed day.
Dallas vs Dragons rematch number 5 would not have been as entertaining as the "mid rush one tricks" making it to the top 2 

like look at it this way, Valiant imploding propelled Kai to top 2

that is nutty
to think just 9 months ago dude was team less
Shanghai Redemption Arc>Threepeat ngl
WhoRu is OWL champ
Take it
Ez
Yes but it would have mean Dragons would go 3-3 with the Fuel this season which makes my monkey brain go waoweee as it derives sentimental meaning from those things
WhoRu would've been last year if NYXL coaches were good
Losing with Haksal weirdchamp
Dallas and Threepeat and whoru becoming a champ were great storylines, but the mid tier underdog rush one tricks making it past all the other stories is just like a whole new layer to add on top of the cake for me
This changes nothing for me next year, it's still amazing what kind of victories teams have pulled since the game has become online instead of LAN tournaments
S1/2 Stage + Finals:
+

like that is epic it was so far from expectation
Shanghai Redemption Arc closes episode one of OWL
What will the big arc in OW2L?
I just want more teams in APAC to make it evenly
basically I am glad shanghai got their title, and i got to see shock glads dallas get upset, like what more could you want


This Tbh
apac stop being a joke region outside of shd challenge
New OWL teams since one less tank
tbf, the only other competitive apac team was seoul, and they would do fuck all in this playoff lmao
Fusion 
chengdu was competitive this season
yeah I meant, that the ones that didn't make playoffs since they wanted another apac team to make it even
Ay yo it wasn't real sand
S3/4 Tournaments + Finals:
+

this was good sand
Reinforce just hit a devious lick 
*Leave was competitive
Why can't I Star sadge
And ga9a i guess
I think Fleta is better than Leave
ok as much as leave carried chengdu, their support line and jinmu and gaga had great seasons
Absolutely Based take here 100% facts no cap
5 stage titles, 2 division titles, 1 championship. Dragons from most losingest to most winningest franchise 
too bad leave had a two trick on his team as dps
like before the yveltal thing he was playing like a top 5 mercy and nisha and mmonk had insanely good rookie seasons
give leave a more flexible dps with him plz
Jinmu kek
Jinmu was actually good
Shock more winningest
Void > Hanbin
Jinmu was good, but so limited
True
Shock have 3 stage titles and 2 championships
8 titles vs 5 titles
Championships > stage titles
Void > Choi > Hanbin
Jinmu sombra 
Jinmu Pharah 
wait
Based take here
i keep seeing people talk about yveltal and saying pepelaugh or something
is this the reason
also another thing, I stand by this, if genji wasn't in overwatch certain teams would have won way more maps this year 
Yes
Yes
lmao
Yes
Choi > Hanbin is recency bias at its finest
truing
Guy wasn't taking serious the league
June Joust 2021 stage title worth more than 2019 championship 
No bias here
Choi and Fury are not as good as hanbin and void anymore imo just saying 💅
Looking for the amount of Championships Hanbin has
Void > Hanbin > Choi because I'm biased
Void > Hanbin > Choi/Hawk/Space
Looking for how invisible Choi was 90% of the year 
True
ellivote > all
Very impressive Choi stepped up
Godba > Choi
But Hanbin did better overall
did you guys notice it feels wacky rating non korean or chinese players over apac ones, like when you say kevster or super is the best at their role, or you try to rate space and hawk with other top off tanks you just don't know where to put them at all
idk if it is just me though
I will always say super is the best rein in the league
maybe it is because there has yet to be a non asian player who matches the best asian players
idk
cause of the divisions
when we get to LAN
it will be easier
I think super also has an extremely powerful orisa
Maybe Season 6 will be LAN
Best Orisa this year
Super Orisa lost to Gator 🥱
I think divisions definitely play a part yeah, but at the same time trying to rate say space or hawk over fury, it is true but man it feels sadge saying it 
Fury 
Gator also threw a map trying to ego duel Super
and still won 3-1
Gator alpha
If there was one place where Shock performed better it was the tank line
Gator omega male
fury fell off unfortunately
i will always say fury was one of the best dvas in OWL history
Lost to Gator ball
sado and fury fell off but people say they were better than mano hotba so which is it 
keyword was
no
maybe im bias but hotba did surprisingly good
I don’t think sado fell off
Gator is the least relevant player on Atlanta
well yeah sado just went to a worse team I know
Mano Hotba should've sticked on NYXL
Gator got hard carried
honestly in season 4 this is probably hot but
yakpung = mano 
best
moment
of
the
season
btw 
Yakpung Ball was decent

basically, fusion I don't think originally planned to be in apac when they signed that roster, so then when they had to go to Korea they thought oh yeah ez dubs our roster is stacked. Then they realized, oh shit mano isn't a ball player oh fuck what do we do

Close second
Still lost to Gator ball
Basically fusion when they signed that roster thought that they would have their players in Korea by the time the season starts, not by the time the season ends.
Forgot Leave spoon
this is also true but it is even funnier because they did better before their roster arrived 
Poko literally ariving at the playoffs
MVP btw
flew there to stay for a weekend just to fly back to france
Gator just feels like a typical ranked player. Looks like the guy who would scream “we need a shield” at some point in a match. But maybe I’m wrong.
Poko
Pine
Ta1yo
When are all star skins going away btw?
Professional groupie.
Gator was part of the og goats team, rein and rush comps are his shit, he might not be popular like super but his non dive tanks are insanely good
even if you don't like him
you can't deny he is a top 3 rein
tobi?
No
Most boring character in the game. Deleting rein would make the game better.
oh
you meant Apex, Contenders and OWL
I was wondering what you meant by apex contenders
fate?
whoru
like I was never an atlanta fan but at this point, I called them mid all 3 times they made it to hawaii, I called them shitter rush one tricks when they won against justice, then I said the same when they beat glads, then they beat shock and fuel and it was like bro??? I can't keep doubting at this point they literally beat everyone
WhoRU
yeah i wouldnt know that
Time to get WhoRU a world cup title 💪
i dont keep up with 🥱 DPS Players 🥱
So good
Shock mirrored them when they shouldn’t have. That’s a coaching failure.
Watching LIP on stage reminded me how fucking gigantic that guy is
also idc
he's yuuge
atlanta still needs a better tank line
atlanta bad because they play rush. problem solved.
Big question is: does Ga9a stay in CDH?
Bigger question: Does Yveltal get banished to team chaser
Big question, how many tanks are gonna be dropped thanks to ow2
0
yveltal just gotta stop being a diva lmao
yveltal gotta stop being a fkn weeb
You actually think Shock and Glads will keep 3 tank players in their roster?
I think so too, but being entirely fair, there has to be a reason behind not running smurf, or forcing monkey from super, not that super is a terrible monkey or something but like surely there was scrims and shit that led to their strats
Shock tanks depend heavily on what the players want to do
If smurf retires but super wants to stay
Choi/super will be there and super will be the starter
ok but how come mag only got his rein out in the last month, like where the fuck was mag rein when florida shit on them in rush mirror in may
like he randomly pulls up diffs fearless and then goes away after a season of one tricking
It still baffles me people even try to say mag is a top 3 rein
lmaoo
muze top 3 rein
fate > mag 
I mean to be fair, his playoffs performance was just as good as his rein that diffed fearless so it wasn't like a one time thing he is obviously capable, but it is just one of those like where tf was this all season bro
kind of like florida
where tf was may all season

Just like last year
I thought gangnamjin and yaki were going to have a breakout year they fucking crushed in may
then the season happened
florida was the biggest let down
me irl
gangnamjin fell off harder than kaan LOL
As much as I wanna say Fusion were a greater disappointment at least they made playoffs
fusion was weird thing
but srs tho. fusion coming into the season top 2 team
Kaan went from the only german player in owl to be successful and the goated ana mechanical beast to that other guy on paris that exists
biggest let down for me personally was the spitfire because i believed the contendies hypium
I think may was so interesting because the meta wasn't figured out so the lower teams were allowed to do stuff, then the meta balanced out and shanghai and everyone got their problems fixed and things went to normal
like may fusion went map 5 super close blow for blow with shanghai
lol
even reinforce said how their fas were into hopium
I bought into the hypium too because gauntlet 2020 was honestly some of the best overwatch all year
and then they went to owl
and did that

because the gap between contenders and owl
unless it's runaway
old runaway
sadge
literally caused NA and EU contenders to lose the little credibility they had left
Carpe gibraltar 
like idk about you guys but gauntlet was so fucking good
If only Team CC got to play against BH and AT
yeah that Gibraltar is my fav map all year besides lijang checkmate rein
tp rein was waytoodank lmaooo
I can't not love that
What is the consensus with the ow2 exhibition
Im fucking hyped for it idc if ppl think its shit imma play it because i have nothing going on in my life to entertain me
honestly I saw a lot of fear of change and like mald, but if it is new content, looks alright, and makes overwatch slightly more fps than moba, I am totally cool with it
im just sad about the tanks getting melted without none to peel for them
like as much as I want to be sadge ow as I know it is ending eventually, I can't be mad about new content since overwatch has been dragging a dead corpse for the last 2 years
I am watching apply stream and he is watching old clips of mayhem and talking about how when he was there he felt insanely bad for sayaplayer
sayaplayer was literally the goat of early widow
like sheesh
btw im locked out of changing my battlenet because i lost my phone and it had 2fa
idk how to prove my identity to blizzard
remember when sayaplayer was a god and his fucking teammates were "awesomeguy" 
wait spyder is sayaplayer
yes
I am a brainlet

I have seen his name all the time, this makes so much sense
lmao
ok actual question, do you think NA players are just better at valorant than overwatch, or do you think Valorant is just so new the apac players haven't become meta yet?
wait spyder plays valorant now
yes lmao
do yall think new teams are going to emerge with the 1 tank in OW2?
because it feels like every single bottom or below average na player that went to valorant has done insanely better
tac shooters have always been dominated by non apac players iirc
like rawkus, babybay, etc
or are the teams just gonna interchange the tanks
corey
I mean I guess like csgo dominated by eu but it just feels strange watching na actually be good at an esport that isn't cod 
This sounds super copium but I think that the reason why NA is strong valo region is because there was more top tier NA cs talent that moved to valo
forgot zunba is valorant player too
Now it matters less though because the game has matured
yeah which might explain why sentinels has started to struggle for once
also some owl players were previous csgo players
so the game fit for them
even babybay using hacks in csgo
Vision Strikers performed better than Sentinels at Berlin btw
idk all I know is, as good as sinatraa is drama and shit aside, tenz is fucking nuts at aiming and valorant
i played CSGO since March or 2016 and gotta say if you were even semi good at the game you will do absolutely great in Valorant
so much carries over its insane
Sentinels losing to G2, calling it a seeding game and then getting swept by Envy was hilarious
the day olofmeister switches to valorant will be one hell of a fuckin day lmao
any day now he will do it if he doesn't retire
I can feel it coming
I know, he has been top level cs for like 10 years he is a maniac
the day shroud goes pro into another FPS, is the day i cant wait for
shroud is never going pro
yeah i was going to say that
i dont think he will step onto the competitive scene again
shroud reminds me of xqc in the way that, with their talent and mindset for grinding they could be best in the world at games if they quit streaming and went full time but streaming is far more reliable for money. Dafran gives me these vibes too if he wasn't such a shitter socially 
its really sad he was put in such a background position when he played on C9 he was so good
but his mentality i think just kept taking hits
Farming is way more reliable than streaming for money
It makes sense
Vision strikers are doing pretty good
If the region has enough interest they're always gonna be bangers
now that owl is over for the year I hope mods let us discuss other esports 
With streaming you can always become outdated. Farming? People always need food
otherwise this channel gonna be sleepy af
i miss old CSGO esports nowadays i cant even watch it, doesnt have half of the people i once knew and loved
it is usually sleepy af off seasons
and I love this channel because it is like a small collected close group of friends vs gd where it is dozens of names 
except when the trades starts
do you guys think shanghai will lose any players?
like which team drops, which hired and such
hmm, I could see develop going back into contenders for the sake of his career maybe
a lot like xzi
fleta said he's not leaving since he wants to win another championship with his current team
idk if rest of the team agrees tho
current squad no way they change shit they are so far above the rest i
xzi is just playing in contenders for the off season
hes not leaving the fuel
A couple valorant fans were frothing at the mouth thinking xzi might come over
Apparently he is quite impressive in ranked
Apparently xzi got rank one
He never played a game
But yeah, people watched him in ranked and weren’t impressed
Felt like I had to stick up for him
his brain not built for valo
I watched him stream valorant before he was cut from t1 and as much as I love ans as a player so much, he just wasn't as good as others
idk why
he was put on the academy team no?
yeah fr it felt so sadge trying to defend your fav hitscan from ow when valorant fans chewing him up
lmaoooo
The ow addiction is too strong
Well obviously he wasn’t immediately pro level
He probably would have been eventually but he never played
We’ll never know I guess
We know Sinatraa is good at valorant lmao
i wonder what team olofmeister was on. hmmm
We have no idea for Ans
oh no i definitely believed that ans would be fielded eventually
I mean, Ans could have been bad
what is even more interesting is sinatraa valorant sense is like a fourth of his owl sense, which means he learned a new sensitivity at the top level and a new game at the exact same time.
He may be a god aimer but that doesn’t guarantee he can transition games
Some people just built diff
babybay corey btw
Babybay ints like crazy in Valorant
yeah, that is what is weird because most owl pros who switched to val had to lower sense for accuracy because there is less movement need in val, but the way that players like rawkus and sinatraa adjusted from super high senses for owl to low csgo like senses is nutty
He is actually a good player but he is also very much a faze player in Valorant
they didn't even skip a beat they just learned new sense ez
and most of then had a bunch of issues adapting to game
Well for one thing
And Minecraft. dont forget. Danteh was rank 1 UHC duel player
Aim in Valorant is piss easy
Even I am a good Valorant aimer
And I main tank in ow
Man... I wish Minecraft took off as an esport.
yeah for sure, just like csgo, it is low sense ez snipes because you can't strafe like a maniac in overwatch 
I would've had a chance of finally achieving my dream of doing the exact same thing im already doing but getting paid for it
Like I love the the guy but come on
Sadly they got dropped lmao
has there been any guys who were in cs then ow then valo?
akm :(((
Steel
akm blade 
But now steel is dropped as of today
as of today??
I mean technically dogman but he doesn't play pro just ranked ladder 
unlucky
I think it is crazy how much owl has evolved, the first year was literally just hitscan fest since people hadn't developed strats to avoid hitscan farming so players with good aim were instantly best in world like pine lmao
People think they are gonna either go with the stand in or get rush
like pine in season 1 looks fucking nutty,. but at the same time the amount of kills he got based on bad positioning because of the era he played in are crazy
there is tons of moments people just did dumbass shit in the open so he just point and click
Incidentally the community in Val is pretty good for a new one but the people are pretty dumb
I mean, the people that are good in Valorant literally are not good enough to beat the good people in their old games
its the fresh slate
Coach Rush big dicks :)
Nobody in tier one Valorant was good enough to compete at tier one when they left their game so far
Babybay, Dafran
yeah cuz why would u leave lol
val is where washed cs players go to make name for their self again
I except maybe nivera as of now
if ur good at tier 1 then you stay there
Before getting banned by a org
cause its STABILITY
yeah, because valorant is like csgo in the way mechanical aiming skill can equalize weaknesses I thonk
But it still takes different skills to play Valorant
where as overwatch good aim can only go so far
You can’t guarantee someone good in CS or ow will be good in Valorant
But generally you should be
what if the entire faze roster came back to ow 
I am expecting most of ow to move to Valorant
with any game and mainly CS and Vals case, the game sense and awareness is what you need the most, aim can come with time
just look at the best player in the world, cNed 
Sinatraa was even on his way out when he left
No shot anybody on faze would stand a chance
The thing with ow, which i like, is how heavy relies in teamwork, apart from metas
Which i cant find much in other fps
because if you dont have the core fundamentals and the more specialized things, aim will not be as import without those key things
real question is have any CDL players moved to valo
honestly the skill gap between season 3 and 4 was crazy, all the extra contracts of players that probably didn't deserve owl got cut, so all that was left was best of the best, and the remaining players like logix just never played
Corey would probably get beaten even by dalton
The rest of those games you can have more carry moments than ow
The aim of current ow players is absolutely insane
The most closest to teamwork would be league
yeah, if you could legitimately be a one man army in CS, however with some dps in OW you can aswell, like mei for example
But league 💤
Like, ow is really on another level mechanically
widow kek
You don’t have to do anything like top tier hitscan in ow have to do in CS or Val
I think tactical shooters have their mechanical moments for sure obviously as they are very aim focused but with how broken the strafing is I would say overwatch has the hardest aim but aim is far less important
I still want a Gaming E-Lympics where countries compete in all the biggest esports titles (csgo, cod, valorant, league, dota, ow)
if i ever become the head of a nation or a multi billionaire i will do this E-lympics thing. you guys have my word for it

The olympics are trash, they don’t want anything with violence
Despite many events being based on violent pasts
What the fuck do they think saber fencing is for
But no we can’t have ow
nah mate swordfighting aint violent at all
congrats you just created Esports
yes but like
Now get a venue
A Global Esports Summit
With rooms for each game
Esports is so much better than real sports
I will have you know saber fencing has nothing to do with sword fighting it is merely sticks not blades 

they are also very different
I don’t understand how this patently obvious fact has not swept the world
All the best players in the world of the top esport titles come to compete for their nations
dont they already do that?
Like a World Cup, perhaps
An ow World Cup
uh
The thing is, how many nations culture see games as just a waste of time
it would be a great event for gamers around the world to come together and celebrate gaming
yall are just creating things that already exist
People are idiots
Took a lot of effort to build something in US
Tv isn’t a waste of time
Esports
Reading books isn’t a waste of time
are you not listening to anything i am saying
and OW has had a world cup im pretty sure
But vidja games
i guess not then
Memeicus is talking like a summit, with all the esport games in one venue
Those are a waste
Like the Olympics. But for ESports.
Why would we want to emulate that trash
because it would be fucking cool as shit
No one loves the olympics anymore, it is a relic
Ooooh, my country can row faster than yours, look at me
Yeah and it would be so good for the bants
Italy vs Mexico in the League of Legends qualifiers 
All I care is if the USA wins
I say we just have a competition and every country that loses dies
Replace wars with OW matches
That way the stakes make it entertaining
And the audience randomly gets to vote out the least popular country
Like survivor or something
It is like nationalism simulation
Would bring out the best of every country
Maybe China would beat the us for once
Surprise upsets, all that nonsense
Yeh, that would be fun, the issue was the culture in each country to get views here and there and a org to unify the esports
Pain in the ass
Nothing that is easy is worth doing
I will do it and hire Empathy as a caster
Owwc was a pain to manage according to some players, plus the drama to not find a place to practice
causse hes a caster i think
Like sideshow
Monte
I think I nailed the credits ngl
Best caster duo that year
Awww doa
no mister Erik Lonquist
They remembered my boy Danny at least
Uber and Mr X makes sense
Semmler?
what is vikky real name?
@Gator_OW You're gonna get a lot of hate for it but you need to never stop shit talking. You guys brought something different to the table this season and no matter how polarizing it was, it made playoffs that much more special. GGs Gator, see you in OW2!
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Wow Shanghai being the better team
whats wrong with you
So wholesome
Soe is Puckett
Shanghai is always the better team
So happy for Shanghai
God I knew it
Yes
I see you Victoria
I did not make the connection that vikky is short for victoria
You would represent your country well in the Death Games™️ (patent pending)
Atl tank line still weakest link smh
although props to hawk for improving tons this year
I wouldn't say that their weakest line, but their mentality
Like
The fuck was Gator doing chasing sombra
their dps/supports keep them in so many games
who they weak link then
They have the skills, just their mind is in another fucking place
But thanks to that they made wack shit works
holy fuck the literal dragons twitter agrees with me wtf
that is fucking based
based dragons twitter

Wouldn't mind if Gator was actually good
I wish the league had more trashtalk
he made hawaii 3 times more than super with a far worse crew I don't want to hear it kek
? Had Pelikai
PLEASE can fans stop treating korean players like they are children
It's incredibly weird how korean players are babied
yeah but violet twilight fd and smurf choi is far better than atlanta on paper
A lot of people treat them like they're innocent little kids that do no wrong
Titans of OW
*it's oky, isnt your fault, cheer up"
It's why gator/hawk get so much shit about anything they say
they're normal ol americans, so people see them as normal people they can bash
but people look at korean's like they are kids
that is what makes me sadge with the language barrier, I feel like teams like shanghai are just as interesting as teams like shock or fusion I just don't know because they don't speak english
idk it's just weird
idk maybe im biased but top players are usually the opposite of being babied
When Moon sees him, he smiles 🍮 
https://clips.twitch.tv/EnchantingPoisedPhoneOpieOP-J5tH_l8nC-hvsYGe
considered to be like AI
I don't remember who was translating some clips from jjonak match
like faker or zywoo
And you could see the banters in koreans too
alright preds on bench players and if they make another team or not, seominsoo and kariv, will they find a team next year discuss !
You probably want to be a bit more forgiving of people that don’t speak the way you do
if i watch the non streamed encore of the matches, would i still get the league tokens or not?
I am sure it is more of a tribal thing unconsciously
Like you expect more of people that you relate to more or something idk
But then you have some drama like the one with Lip
washington about to get yaki/gnj/and a t2 MS next year and pound
yaki assassin decay or yaki assassin jerry sounds scary brooo
Ow in general is just filled with babies when it comes to drama
If Washington get Yaki I'll support Justice
if washington get either myunbong or gangnamjin I will be happy but for the love of god don't get lastro please I fucking beg
wonder if godsb will find his way to a team or not
likely not
but who knows
What is wrong with pastor
Lastro*
Toronto had some good players on paper but fuck happened here
Lastro on paper is pretty good because season 3
Mayhem giving away so many tokens
going out on a limb here since i know nothing about the korean esports scene but maybe over there its more professional?
so theres not as much toxicity like in CDL
he has faded into kariv type vet who isn't great anymore role imo
lastro that is
also I wonder where striker goes
imagine he goes toronto sheesh
Nah
Lastro bad?
He might just go back to Shock
Really? I mean he is like carpe level imo
Lastro not bad, just been setback
Still pretty solid
Fleta LIP 
Like have you seen Neko after Toronto Defiant?
quiet you !!!!
went on to coaching

Imagine Fleta striker
Profits 
fleta lip would dominate every comp so silence 
Amazing to me how much Fleta has improved
Imagine if profits were on a good team
He was so trash when he first joined owl
And look at my boi now
unless it was genji widow or some shit then they wouldn't dominate 
Nah he tweakin

Top of the ow league
No I mean NA fans treat Korean players like babies
probably because most of them are wholesome when they speak in broken english and are all like hi fan I love you sooper and it is like omg my baby prince king
that's not what that is

Remember when izayaki was in Valiant?
it's just people babying them
And none bats an eye
remember when Kariv got role star
and shu didn't
even though charge won a tourney
who is this targeted to
yeehaw
Then goes to SHD and everyone be like OMG MVP
Kariv so wholesome
lip fleta kek
now they would obviously
but last year lmao
LIPdow :)
when a lil chinese boi and nero/happy beat them we stan 😍
I trust that he will carry on the mantle and win the Widowmaker 1v1 All-stars to complete the threepeat.
The real threepeat.
By the way when is the 2021 all stars?
man widow 1v1 is one of my fav events, widow is just idk if hot take one of my fav heroes to watch, same with genji, like yeah they are throw picks a lot of the time but they are so flashy they are so fun to watch a huge widow play or genji blade
and they said no all stars I thonk
????????
when they say that
iirc john tweeted it when he announced this was the last skin vault
@AbbyAZK Hey there - we aren’t planning an all-stars event this season given how hard it would’ve been to bring them all to one place for a global event right now. We’ve been doing a lot of the all-star events at tournament weekends instead (like Widow 1v1 at June Joust).
I guess Diem is just the forever Widowmaker 1v1 champion then 







