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not scores though

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no upsets so far

north relic
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only 14 people can get 100k still

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wow

north relic
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guys why is kai on tracer

willow tartan
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Cause Kai can't echo

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or Sombra apparently

north relic
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"hawk with the nickmercs camera"

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how many hours do you need on gf

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for max rewards

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edison tracer doe

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also chengdu didnt look like as strong as I thought they would be

zealous venture
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yeah yeah cool leave mvp haha

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wait fuck wrong channel

north relic
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might be a hot take but cdh has the lowest possible peak other than maybe justice

zealous venture
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id say cdh has a higher peak than philyl

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but i can see the argument for why not

willow tartan
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Philly has top 2 peak

zealous venture
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so does about every other team except for washington

willow tartan
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Atlanta doesn't

zealous venture
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they WOULD

willow tartan
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Atlanta peak is not top 2 imo

north relic
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if all teams were at their peak

willow tartan
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Like if every single team right now performed at their peak

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Atlanta would be last or second last

north relic
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yes

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justice peak is actually decent i think

willow tartan
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Justice peak is good on rush

north relic
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justice peak is top 5 team we thought they were going to be

willow tartan
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reign also only really plays orisa/rein

zealous venture
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justice peak is good but inconsistent

willow tartan
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I don't think peak reign ball can force peak Washington off rein or monkey

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so they have to match

north relic
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peak washington is probably better than peak reign on winston monkey

willow tartan
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Peak Fusion would be second to Shanghai

north relic
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yea

zealous venture
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peak fusion at second?

willow tartan
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Imo yeah

zealous venture
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i mean yeah theyre good at their peak but i would call them second

willow tartan
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They have the depth of composition

zealous venture
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top 4 id say

north relic
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who would you put 2nd then

willow tartan
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Fuel

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if it isn't fusion it'd be fuel

zealous venture
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fuel or maybe shock

north relic
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can fuel go higher than may melee?

willow tartan
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Not shock

zealous venture
willow tartan
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honestly I think fusion could've done super good in the May melee

zealous venture
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the real question is when

north relic
willow tartan
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They brought Shanghai to map 5 in knockouts

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Fusion are the better rush team usually

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If they were in Hawaii

north relic
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fusion should have won that game

willow tartan
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reverse sweep moment

north relic
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was it a reverse sweep?

willow tartan
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I think

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or 2-1

mortal abyss
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It was 6 maps

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Not a reverse sweep

willow tartan
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oo

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oh right they drawed

mortal abyss
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Shanghai map 1 draw map 2 fusion map 3 and 4 shanghai map 5 and 6

willow tartan
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Shanghai during may meele drawed like 5 matches in a row

mortal abyss
willow tartan
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had draws 5 matches in a row*

zealous venture
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seoul had top 4 potential too

north relic
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seoul peak isnt that strong

willow tartan
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Peak Seoul is peak profits

north relic
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you cant peak high enough to compete with that tankline and backline

mortal abyss
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Peak seoul was 2020 playoffs

north relic
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was peak shock 2020 playoffs also

willow tartan
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gesture profits in ow2 gonna be funky

mortal abyss
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Peak shock was in season 2

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Imo

willow tartan
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Peak shock was 2020

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Shock were incredibly dominant in NA 2020

zealous venture
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i expected an upset this round lol

mortal abyss
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If we r talking about compared to the rest of the teams at the time I think it’s peak shock

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Like they literally had a golden stage

willow tartan
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Yeah but they actually had a rival

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Fusion was close but never went over the hump

mortal abyss
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Shock still had a few challenges

willow tartan
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Of course Shanghai existed but was trapped in the east

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If there was no covid shock would've looked less dominant

mortal abyss
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Fusion 3-0ed them in the last match of the season and paris knocked them out of ss semis

mortal abyss
north relic
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i dont think so

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shock beats everyone in apac other than shd

mortal abyss
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Yeah

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So they’re less dominant if there’s a shd team that’s better then them 90% of the season

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willow tartan
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I think it would be way more back and forth than fusion vs shock

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besides the first 2 loses

willow tartan
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would've been*

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like they only lost like 4 games

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the entire season

zealous venture
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at least this playoff season will be a sorta tossup

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dragons

willow tartan
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If glads get demolished later today all hope is on the Fuel

zealous venture
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yeah keep saying that

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its locked in

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no one's beating the dragons

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except like maybe fuel

zealous venture
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sure

north relic
willow tartan
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Fuel have the closest chance

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def

north relic
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shock wins 55% of the time apparently

willow tartan
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no get out of here with your shock hopeium

zealous venture
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lol

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SFS

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are you an NA hopium

willow tartan
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dragons sandbag their match against glads to finish off the shock

zealous venture
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outlaws copium

willow tartan
zealous venture
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i mean

north relic
zealous venture
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glads DO have an 8 match win streak

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damn too bad they peaked in first stage

north relic
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i was making fun of stupid shock fans

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zealous venture
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also theyre really good in map 5s

willow tartan
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I have glads losing 1-3

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1-3 or 0-3 yeah

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they're not going to map 5

north relic
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thats like the only map 5 they won

zealous venture
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they won map 7 which kinda is like a map 5

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also map 5 against chengdu the first tiem

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they won 2 times against shock on map 5s

earnest leaf
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Shock would have beaten shd at any point last season besides the countdown cup

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But even that would have been close

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double shield

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hm

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close

earnest leaf
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Striker/ans>lip fleta last year on ashe tracer

zealous venture
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i dont think SHD will sweep necessarily

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3-0 or 3-1

zealous venture
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not 3.0

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i can settle for 3-1

earnest leaf
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imo glads are the only team with a chance to beat shd this tourney

tropic herald
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thats what lip thinks too

earnest leaf
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Because they have the only dps line that can pop off similar to shd dps

tropic herald
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also glads have the pace

earnest leaf
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I think shd still wins

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moon told him to say that

tropic herald
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not quite the same as shanghai but theres pace

earnest leaf
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but glads is the only test for shd left

zealous venture
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glads are in their peak

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if dallas beats chengdu they have more of a chance

tropic herald
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funny to think that shanghai v glads is a lot of los angeles players

willow tartan
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Glads vs Shanghai will show whether or not countdown cup was a freebie title

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space, izzy, fate, void all played for at least one la team

willow tartan
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oh yea

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didn't they all play for LAV?

tropic herald
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and moon was spaces coach

willow tartan
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well except void

tropic herald
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no

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yes

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glads is just shittier dragons

earnest leaf
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My only concern with glads is their tanks are going to get outpaced

earnest leaf
willow tartan
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That's what I'm thinking too

tropic herald
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their tanks get outpaced but also who doesnt

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like

willow tartan
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A little bit of tank gap

tropic herald
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fate void on da ball dva

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glads and chengdu are just shittier dragons

tropic herald
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thats just the best ball dva

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they are both versions of shittier dragons

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take the strongest part of glads and chengdu

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smash them together

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multiply powerlevel by 2

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thats dragons

earnest leaf
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Glads aren't like shd really

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saying like they can play orisa really well

earnest leaf
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the only team that imo really is just lesser shd is chengdu

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because chengdu off of dive is actually mid

tropic herald
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glads is kinda hybrid of atlanta and shanghai

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well

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glads really is just lesser shanghai

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but glads are still rlly good

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yeah no doubt they are good

north relic
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who wins glads rush or shd rush

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i just dont ever see them beating dragons

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rush is just an inferior comp

earnest leaf
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Only scenario in which they win is if space/muze play to their peaks and kevster/birdring do the same

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rush isnt the inferior coach though

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earnest leaf
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glads don't play rush also

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space muze at their peak matches fate void on a casual tuesday

willow tartan
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I think realistically in any universe where Shanghai loses Shanghai has to sort of shit the bed

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Or dpei gets a vision from God showing the perfect counter comp

north relic
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dpei turns religious to let glads win

tropic herald
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viol2t is based

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north relic
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he looks high on this player cam

earnest leaf
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speaking of shock

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gimme ans

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let him pound

willow tartan
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speaking of pound

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when poko

earnest leaf
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next year

willow tartan
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Nah nah, poko is in Korea

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He will sweep the shock

tropic herald
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its funny looking at playoffs bc if u told me to guess at the preseason which teams would make playoffs i would guess these 8

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but also after this season it doesnt feel right for some reason

willow tartan
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Glads and Justice just making it in at the end

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reign maybe not

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i was a reign believe

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i said they had a top 3 dps line na

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AND I GOT LAUGHED AT

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aie

willow tartan
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any DPS lineup with Kai is immediately good

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that was before they added kai tho

tropic herald
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it wasnt pepeHands

north relic
tropic herald
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yes

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Im pretty sure I said Kai Pelican had potential to be top 3 na

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like just on paper

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they signed gaga n farway

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i was a chengdu believer

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but honestly hawk looked poop

willow tartan
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I was on London hypium Sadge

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Bro I thought london might be mid table team 🥴

tropic herald
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i thought both eu teams were gonna be tragic but once paris got jmac i thought paris had dark horse potential

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jmac diff

earnest leaf
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For next season

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I'm not listening to anyone on t2 shit

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next season seoul will be back

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trust

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why

earnest leaf
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Because i've been let down too many times

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it was pretty accurate

tropic herald
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flameknightt im telling you

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like all the hype rookies

willow tartan
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also proper

tropic herald
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proper is gonna dominate

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when proper comes bro

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its over

tropic herald
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unironically

earnest leaf
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I will believe it when I see it in the league

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I remember empathy being a Chengdu believer and I remember being a mykayleee believer kekw

earnest leaf
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I was told these same things about mag

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And he ended up being a monkey otp

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budget fearless

tropic herald
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if a team gets any member of o2 dps line rn

willow tartan
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And mag is leading in Reinhardt stats 😎

tropic herald
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they are set

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hes like striker shy hybrid

tropic herald
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proper

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Mag wasn't bad though

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kilo

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merit

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MMMMMMM

earnest leaf
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But

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im honestly not sold on mer1t

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i feel like he's the bqb of contenders

tropic herald
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thats legit a top tier owl dps line

earnest leaf
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I will rate them once I see them play in the league

tropic herald
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ok

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like hes gonna be good

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idk about merit either

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but bqb tier

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but like

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PROPER

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not like S tier

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proper mn3 doe

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MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM

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vidaim chiyo and chorong all coming in the same year

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pog

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finally restoring korean ms

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korean ms actually gonna be good for once

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ffs

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literally give me any of them over anamo

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i would take a bronze player over anamo

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i think vindaim has a strong chance

willow tartan
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what's the requirement for making the Widowmaker 1v1 all stars event?

earnest leaf
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I'm still pissed glads dropped a bag on moth just to never play him

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not really their fault though

tropic herald
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moth -> coach

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skewed just turned out to be cracked

earnest leaf
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Actually criminal the best MS got sent to dpei hell

trail perch
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Vigilante and Ch0rongggggg

willow tartan
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I don't think Lip has played enough widow to qualify for it if there's a time requirement like last year

tropic herald
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skewed is sick af

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i think if he was still on shock

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he would still be benched by viol2t/twilight brig

earnest leaf
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yea

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but shock can actually play rush

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so moth would play

trail perch
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FD almost never gets time lmao

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except recently

earnest leaf
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FD has started a decent chunk of the season

trail perch
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But besides that he would get the exact same treatment

willow tartan
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FDgod robbed

trail perch
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Maybe 1/4

earnest leaf
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lmao no

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He's started for half or more

trail perch
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All of stage 2 and 3 he didnt

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i think half

trail perch
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lmao

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around half sounds right

trail perch
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and parts of stage 4

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he still didnt start

earnest leaf
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and he played stage 1 and 4

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and he's starting now still

trail perch
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Its been 1 game

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a singular game

earnest leaf
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stage 3 they literally couldn't play him cuz lucio ban

trail perch
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that they got 3-0ed in

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just play twilight

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come on

earnest leaf
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I will bet money fdgod will still start today at some point

willow tartan
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twilight lucio

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remember they put twilight on mercy

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ridiculous

trail perch
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they might not play him anymore after that loss tho cause they like to blame him

earnest leaf
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also wait stage 2 fdgod started majority of the time too

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Do you guys think Fusion will mirror the rush?

trail perch
earnest leaf
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for the echo zombie shit

trail perch
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on mercy

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yeah

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they ran alot of brig

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and viol2t lucio

willow tartan
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I think Fusion will try to play other shit agains shock

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nah they mostly ran lucio

trail perch
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that was the start of viol2t lucio

earnest leaf
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no they ran a lot of lucio still with fdgod

trail perch
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Im checking stats lab

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just so that this ends the arg

tropic herald
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fdgod statistically speaking

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has played 1/2 of the season

willow tartan
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when theoretically he should have played for 100%

earnest leaf
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I mean lucio got banned for a stage

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so not much use in playing him

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also

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70% of his time is on lucio

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unsurpisingly

willow tartan
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can someone figure out what shock's win percentage is with and without fdgod

north relic
north relic
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willow tartan
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map

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cuz sometimes fdgod gets subbed out or in

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nobody else can play doom

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in this meta

north relic
tropic herald
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like mirror would get slapped on

willow tartan
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nobody can play doom*

tropic herald
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whoru

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whoru doom

earnest leaf
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thing is sparkle plays doom properly in rush

tropic herald
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whoru doom lets see it

earnest leaf
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he doesn't do braindead reddit rollouts for 20 minutes

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im curious

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wouldnt be surprised

willow tartan
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if dallas keep playing doom its over for the fuel

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yes sparkle plays doom so good

earnest leaf
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he just runs into people with bubble or with his rein next to him

willow tartan
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i dont have faith in the dfist

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like a brawler

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I have faith in sparkle

tropic herald
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dallas also recognizes that they should hard pocket sparky

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sparkle doom does some magical fuckin things bro

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the guy

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no

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the MAN

tropic herald
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fearless ints on ball to force all the cds for him

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is just cracked

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yes

trail perch
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FD god didnt play in either the SS or CC quals

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hanbin bubbles him

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he kills 6

willow tartan
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speaking of things i dont have faith in

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so easy

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leave/jinmu genji

trail perch
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why

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for what reason

earnest leaf
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Hot take

willow tartan
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because WHY ARE THEY PLAYING GENJI

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i believe equally in them as kevster genji

earnest leaf
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Chengdu needs a better dps line

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good genji

trail perch
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LMAO TF

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Please tell me thats bait

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yeah @earnest leaf but they will easily have it next season

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with apr1ta

earnest leaf
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Give leave someone who can run more than 3 heroes

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leave very good

trail perch
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you have to be memeing

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apr1ta leave

earnest leaf
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but jinmu plays like 3 heroes

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best in the league

trail perch
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Jinmu is an amzing fdps

willow tartan
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this leave guy is pretty good

earnest leaf
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and they never start anyone else

willow tartan
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they should give him a medal or something

tropic herald
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leave aprita shy clown_hot_face

earnest leaf
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Basically they need a more flexible dps player alongside leave

trail perch
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Pharah, tracer, echo, sombra, genji, hanzo

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Jinmu is flexable lol

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And torb

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almost forgot torb

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and junk

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lmao

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jinmu just doenst play mei cree widow ashe

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I think thats literally it

earnest leaf
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jinmu off pharah/sombra isn't anything special is the issue

trail perch
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false

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His hanzo is cracked

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his echo is good

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his genji is cracked

tropic herald
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jinmu genji WICKED

trail perch
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His tracer is good

tropic herald
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no

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no

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no

trail perch
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also they can throw him on sombra 99% of the time

earnest leaf
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Every time I see jinmu off sombra/pharah he is just another flex dps player

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Give leave someone who is gonna gap people on more than two heroes

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willow tartan
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Fuel still ranked above Dragons in IBM watson rankings WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

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literally been all season

trail perch
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good think sombra is the most played dps character besides tracer...

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IBM watson was like irrelevant after like 1 month

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willow tartan
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yeah why did the league stop showing ibm watson

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the chosen one

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that can be next to leave

trail perch
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they lost the rights to watson i think

willow tartan
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but the website was still being updated

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its not like they stopped

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but thats not the point

earnest leaf
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jinmu playtime all season

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willow tartan
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the point is that shanghai being perma underrated by ibm watson

earnest leaf
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genji was at like 4.8%

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and then torb at like 2%

trail perch
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then decided he wasnt good at anyone else??

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Its just he literally never played anyone else

north relic
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!!owlstart

young fractalBOT
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The matches start in 22 hours, 1 minute ago

trail perch
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cause his role was pharah sombra

willow tartan
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pls update

north relic
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empathy do ur job pls

willow tartan
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empatht

trail perch
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@tropic herald

earnest leaf
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my point is

tropic herald
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fk off

willow tartan
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literally didnt even make it past updating for the first day

north relic
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we are incable of doing math to figure out when an hour is

earnest leaf
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get a more flexible dps player to play alongside leave

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ez

trail perch
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Its not that he isnt flexible

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the coaches

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or RUI

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Just ran him on that role

willow tartan
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brb donating shanghai money to take leave off of chengdu

tropic herald
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!!owlstart

trail perch
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Look at fleta

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His playtime is basically just tracer echo

willow tartan
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fleta playtime is on echo mei pharah tracer

trail perch
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is he not flexible??

tropic herald
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i swear i updated the command but also zepplin slow

trail perch
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nah

willow tartan
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i dont think hes saying playtime wise

trail perch
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pharah and mei

willow tartan
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hes saying that jinmu off of sombra or pharah is nothing special

trail perch
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are literally bellow 10%

young fractalBOT
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The matches start in 1 hour, 57 minutes

trail perch
north relic
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preshow at 6 right

trail perch
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for more than a map

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lmao

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the play time says it all

willow tartan
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yes

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preshow for 1hr

trail perch
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@earnest leaf your saying he's not special at a role or character you havent seen him play in over a year

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You cant judge say his hanzo

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cause he didnt play hanzo this season

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you cant judge his genji

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cause he didnt play genji

earnest leaf
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idc about genji

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hero is dogshit

trail perch
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you cant say he's underwelming

earnest leaf
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unless it's sparkle or whoru idc who is on genji

trail perch
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Off pharah sombra

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cause he didnt go off pharah sombra

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you dont have any data to base that off of

willow tartan
trail perch
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Haksal :)

earnest leaf
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My point is, give leave a dps partner who is more flexible

willow tartan
earnest leaf
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a glister type player

willow tartan
earnest leaf
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who can lock stuff like tracer so leave can pound on echo

trail perch
trail perch
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who has been playing only hitscan all year

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apr1ta 🕺

trail perch
willow tartan
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cause leave would be playing echo?...

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apr1ta

earnest leaf
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Because his echo is also insane lmao

willow tartan
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leave is like a top 2 echo

trail perch
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He's a top 3 tracer in the world

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No hes not

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Just incorrect

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fleta

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he is easily

trail perch
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Pelican

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Sparkle

willow tartan
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Leave > Pelicann

next mesa
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nah

earnest leaf
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sparkle is not a top3 echo

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leave is better

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im a huge sparkle fan

willow tartan
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yes exactly

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leave echo > peliecho

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but sometimes his echo looks worse than doha

trail perch
#

Ehhh

tropic herald
#

watching chengdu play rn

trail perch
#

I wouldnt go that far

tropic herald
#

this comp is so weird

trail perch
#

Leave is a tracer hard carry

tropic herald
#

it has different archetypes slapped toghether

trail perch
#

thats how he plays

#

thats how he has played since MY

willow tartan
#

yeah but you still need a dps that can play the hero lol

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like when fleta was on echo LIP subbed in for the tracer

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and kinda dommed

tropic herald
#

thats why aprita is on chasers

#

hes getting the promo

trail perch
#

Aprita isnt going to replace jinmu

willow tartan
#

i mean thered be no reason not to

tropic herald
#

and then chengdu will be the best in apac

willow tartan
#

no

trail perch
#

itll be a rascal striker ans thing

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not like a full swap

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Cause Leave Aprita isnt going to be as good as jinmu on like sombra echo

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Or pharah sombra

tropic herald
#

aprita wont replace jinmu but jinmu wont see much play time

next mesa
#

apr1ta can sombra no problem

#

he can play everything

trail perch
#

Yeah imagine you had glister and LiP on the same team

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glister can sombra no problem

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But lip is just better

next mesa
#

except in this case glister is better than lip

earnest leaf
#

I was actually surprised
at glister's sombra

willow tartan
#

what

earnest leaf
#

he did a few fucky things but overall was solid

trail perch
#

Glister has always been good at sombra

#

its not a new thing

#

He was the london sombra player

earnest leaf
#

Because he had never played it this year

trail perch
#

and played sombra back in contendies

earnest leaf
#

or if he did it wasn't for long

willow tartan
#

Its the shock curse of "shit we dont have a sombra player"

trail perch
#

But everyone knows about glister sombra

#

its one of his things

earnest leaf
#

You know what I want

next mesa
#

ANS

earnest leaf
#

give me a rein cree/mei meta all season long

trail perch
#

Dallas

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rolls

earnest leaf
#

just to watch apac fans mald out of the world

trail perch
#

WJ also slaps in that

next mesa
#

so does shock

trail perch
#

Philly does well

willow tartan
#

dragons top rush team anyway sunglassesvery3dcool

trail perch
#

I mean nero glister?

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or nero ans?

earnest leaf
#

dragons would get sauced in rush by top NA teams

trail perch
#

I think glister>ans on the cree with a rein

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and ans>glister everywhere else on cree

willow tartan
#

fate 2nd place in MM

earnest leaf
#

then there is atl

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kai/pelican

trail perch
#

I think shock lowekey underperform in that when compared to other top NA teams

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Kai pelican

willow tartan
#

shock didnt lowkey underperform

trail perch
#

Birdring Kevster

willow tartan
#

they high key shit the bed

earnest leaf
#

Not glads

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glads rush bad

trail perch
#

??

earnest leaf
#

cuz dpei op

trail perch
#

Yeah but a season long meta

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they would get their shit together

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And moth carry

tropic herald
#

i think dragons rush would suck initially but it would get better fast,, its just not a staple in apac or even the overall meta

trail perch
#

Dragons are mechanical

earnest leaf
#

Glads SHOULD be good at rush, but they struggled too much on it

trail perch
#

they can learn anything

tropic herald
#

like

trail perch
tropic herald
#

shanghai were really good at rush last year

trail perch
#

and still opted for monke most of the time

tropic herald
#

no reason they couldnt again

trail perch
#

Fearless rein

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vs fate rein

willow tartan
#

fate is the most well rounded main tank in the league

trail perch
#

fate isnt known for his rein

earnest leaf
trail perch
#

remember GOATS

willow tartan
#

fusion would do real good

earnest leaf
#

iirc fleta mei isn't bad but isn't competing with top meis

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but lip cree very cool

#

fate rein would get outpaced by top reins in NA though

willow tartan
#

id rather off myself than have mei sym rush all season long

trail perch
#

Yeah but philly

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Has rascal mei

#

and carpe cree

earnest leaf
#

philly should be solid on rush

trail perch
#

Imagine early s3 philly

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but again

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and with Mano

#

who is better at rein than Sado

tropic herald
#

consider this doe

#

ljg

#

lucio

earnest leaf
#

depends on what ljg lucio you get

trail perch
#

Yeah but Fate rein and fleta mei

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are good

#

but

#

arent S tier

earnest leaf
#

is he gonna kill 6 a fight? or ajax 3 times a map and perma feed

willow tartan
#

I think shanghai support line would gap

tropic herald
trail perch
#

Gap fastro and Alarm?

tropic herald
#

yes

trail perch
#

They might be better

#

but not gap

next mesa
#

just better

tropic herald
#

izzy gonna gap alarm

#

ljg gonna gap fastro

willow tartan
#

no i mean gap top NA rush teams

tropic herald
trail perch
#

I dont think tis possible to gap fastro alarm

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Cause you can be better than them

earnest leaf
#

astro/alarm on ana lucio is nutty

trail perch
#

but no one is good enough to fully gap them

earnest leaf
#

people forgetting astro was a top lucio last year

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smh

tropic herald
willow tartan
#

yeah atlanta lost to that team

#

btw

trail perch
#

@balmy wolf

earnest leaf
#

I still think atlanta should get a better tank line

trail perch
#

i love that comp ngl

trail perch
#

make it happen

tropic herald
#

that comp is literally my game when i get an ana otp and junk otp

#

and a mercy otp

earnest leaf
#

their dps/supports are pretty solid, masaa could maube be replaced

trail perch
#

proper finn vindaim

#

fuck iris

#

man can only play bap

#

literally

earnest leaf
#

but gator hawk just aren't enough

#

iris fucks on ana/zen still

sullen berry
willow tartan
#

how do you think the 8 playoffs teams will upgrade next year?

#

for ow2 and all

tropic herald
#

idk

willow tartan
#

its gotta be hard to predict right?

tropic herald
#

too much time

earnest leaf
#

Hard to tell

willow tartan
#

cause you wont know who is good at this new game

sullen berry
#

why just the playoff teams

earnest leaf
#

shd doesn't have to change anything

#

It's hard since we don't know who will retire and stay

willow tartan
#

not even that

earnest leaf
#

for all we know, viol2t/super/smurf/choi retire next year

#

and twilight leaves

willow tartan
#

i think its just hard to predict who will be good at a video game they've never touched

trail perch
#

I think choi and super retire

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imo

earnest leaf
#

One of smurf/choi/super is retiring 100%

trail perch
#

I think super fs

tropic herald
#

shanghai dont have to change anything but thats how they become just the new shock

willow tartan
#

alright ill take your money for it

trail perch
#

to focus on streaming and content

next mesa
#

iris is good

willow tartan
next mesa
#

seoul is taking vindaim

trail perch
next mesa
#

fuck u

trail perch
#

otherwise at some point they burn out and die

earnest leaf
willow tartan
#

Shanghai should start an academy team

trail perch
#

wow crazy

tropic herald
willow tartan
#

yes

trail perch
#

thats so origonal and innovative

willow tartan
#

but like another one

trail perch
#

They have another one

willow tartan
#

like a proper one

tropic herald
#

they have anoother

trail perch
#

Team CC trainee

tropic herald
#

CC

#

and Team Cat

willow tartan
#

where they actually get the players from that team

trail perch
#

Fearless

#

Came from CC

next mesa
#

its a good idea but you should still take best

#

available talent

tropic herald
#

the better idea

#

is make an acad and take top contenders talent

#

and sell them on their buyouts

#

then use that money for top owl plpayers

trail perch
#

sign an entire roster as 2 ways

willow tartan
#

or...

earnest leaf
#

I don't think shd's org is in need for money

#

iirc they are some big game publisher or some shit in China

trail perch
#

shd sign profit

willow tartan
#

sign all the top tier contenders talent on multiple academy teams because tier 2 has no money limits

#

so you can steal all the good players

trail perch
#

and make him designated tracer player

earnest leaf
#

aka fat fucking stacks of cash whenever

willow tartan
#

netease

#

internet company

tropic herald
#

NetEase

trail perch
#

Where do we think profit goes?

tropic herald
#

they have a lil money

next mesa
#

the only way you can improve shanghai

#

is to sign fearless

trail perch
#

I think he leaves seoul after this year

willow tartan
#

ehh

next mesa
#

he stays w seoul

tropic herald
#

have fate

#

AND

next mesa
#

they rebuild around him

tropic herald
#

fearles

willow tartan
#

okay oaky but

next mesa
#

yes

#

thats like the only way

trail perch
#

then who do they build around him

next mesa
#

that u can improve shanghai

willow tartan
#

fleta/lip/leave lineup though

trail perch
#

cause gesture gunna go by by

next mesa
#

they rebuild

#

whole new roster

#

kellan vindaim

trail perch
#

attack as well?

tropic herald
#

alright

trail perch
#

I dont see kellan going without attack

tropic herald
#

atlanta

willow tartan
#

fleta/lip/leave would cover every composition

tropic herald
#

sign proper challenge

trail perch
#

I think its a 2 for 1 deal

#

with if atlanta

#

drops edison

#

grabs proper

#

signs attack kellan

tropic herald
#

drop gator

next mesa
#

attack as well

trail perch
#

drops tanks

tropic herald
#

sign mag

#

drop hawk

#

sign piggy

#

friendship club

trail perch
#

mag is signed for another year

#

Mag decay assassin fury i think

#

all another year

willow tartan
#

mag piggy carpe diem

#

frend club

tropic herald
#

fuck you justice for having all that talent and being tragic

earnest leaf
#

I got the biggest brain idea for justice

#

drop bebe

#

poach twilight

trail perch
#

and closer....

#

wait

#

wait

#

wait

earnest leaf
#

sign rascal and drop assassin

trail perch
#

poach ljg

#

sign gnj

tropic herald
#

dont sign rascal

#

no

#

no

trail perch
#

Imagine that

#

if they sign gnj

tropic herald
#

that man is past his prime

trail perch
#

that means

#

they have mag assassin gnj

earnest leaf
#

Rascal got cursed by philly

trail perch
#

and ljg might want to join...

earnest leaf
#

Wait

#

wait

#

forget rascal

#

poach yaki

trail perch
#

imagine that

tropic herald
#

yaki

willow tartan
#

yaki deserves it

tropic herald
#

on justice

trail perch
#

Nah they dont need yaki

earnest leaf
#

Yaki/decay dps line

tropic herald
#

yaki devay

#

MMMMMMM

trail perch
#

yeah but overlap

#

on their best hero

tropic herald
#

yaki > decay

willow tartan
#

yaki plays zarya?

trail perch
#

LMAO

#

also yeah

tropic herald
earnest leaf
#

but decay tracer yaki echo

tropic herald
#

which isnt a bad thing

next mesa
#

yaki is signed until like 2023

earnest leaf
#

pretty cool

trail perch
#

Yaki was a really good zarya

next mesa
#

he is their franchise player for sure

trail perch
#

But if they sign yaki

earnest leaf
#

So sign yaki

#

drop bebe

trail perch
#

then ljg will literally want to join

earnest leaf
#

sign twilight

trail perch
#

cause thats all the old runaway

earnest leaf
#

then who do they yoink for MS

trail perch
#

Mag, Yaki, Assassin, GNJ

#

LJG!!!

#

LJG!!!!!

tropic herald
#

chorong

trail perch
#

LJG!!!!!

tropic herald
#

chiyo

earnest leaf
#

shd is never giving up ljg

trail perch
#

Fucking leejaegon

tropic herald
#

leejaegon is ours

#

not yours

trail perch
#

we thought that about fearless

#

how did that turn out

tropic herald
#

the cool thing is

trail perch
#

Coach Moon really liked fate

tropic herald
#

why would you leave shanghai

north relic
#

pelican is on low ping v justice right?

tropic herald
#

FOR JUSTICE

trail perch
#

You know what other main support coach moon likes???

tropic herald
trail perch
#

KUKI!!!!!!

tropic herald
#

atl 3-0 justice

trail perch
#

Imagine replacing LJG with kuki as a player

trail perch
earnest leaf
#

But decay/yaki/mag/fury/twilight/some cool MS

#

would be sick nasty

trail perch
#

wait

#

wait

#

wait

next mesa
trail perch
#

haksal from retirement

north relic
tropic herald
#

idk

trail perch
#

decay yaki

#

with haksal to play genji

tropic herald
#

he plays on higher for apac games

willow tartan
#

who are all the players that have stayed with their teams since s1?

tropic herald
#

carpe jjonak super

north relic
#

just jjonak poko carpe i think

tropic herald
#

uhh

north relic
#

super

willow tartan
#

im thinking you could make a team out of them

tropic herald
#

poko eqo

willow tartan
#

super poko carpe eqo jjonak

tropic herald
#

it wouldnt be a good team

#

itd be solid

willow tartan
#

is there any MS boomer

north relic
#

it would be like slightly better than paris

willow tartan
#

that stay in their team

tropic herald
#

i dont think so

next mesa
#

tobi wouldve been

#

y tobi

#

why did u leave me

earnest leaf
#

also I got a hot take

#

super not retiring

next mesa
#

now im stuck with anamo

tropic herald
#

anamo goat

earnest leaf
#

Him not winning finals is gonna fuel him with pure spite to play again next year

willow tartan
#

also i bet shock pays him lots of cash

#

literally the face of SFS

north relic
#

literally the face of OWL

tropic herald
#

shock contracts arent that high iirc

willow tartan
#

no but like

#

if super ever wanted monies

#

he could always ask for a raise

earnest leaf
#

super makes more money off his stream than his owl contract

willow tartan
#

and shock would give it

earnest leaf
#

I would gurantee it

willow tartan
#

is supers stream even that big

#

i thought he got like 10k viewers or smthn

earnest leaf
#

he has around 5k-6k at all times

willow tartan
#

then again he does have that maccas sponsor doesnt he?

tropic herald
#

5k-6k is a lot of money

#

at least for twitch

earnest leaf
#

his viewers are usually 5000-6000 during OW

north relic
#

ans hot tub stream

#

i lost

earnest leaf
#

and dip to like 3k or 2500 during late night variety games

willow tartan
earnest leaf
#

but it's more than enough to live off of

willow tartan
#

i would assume shock would pay him more

north relic
#

super also gets a 100k bonus when he loses a game

willow tartan
#

if 50k is minimum

earnest leaf
#

and he gets normal donations

willow tartan
#

then hes prob like 150k

next mesa
#

5k viewers u probably lowkey make like 200k a year just based off of that

earnest leaf
#

I've seen him unironically get hundreds of dollars in pity donos after losses in minutes

willow tartan
#

yeah but donos make like less than 1% of top streamer income dont they?

#

thats what ive heard

earnest leaf
#

super has what we call oil barons

#

that randomly drop $100 on him

willow tartan
#

god like ninja and shroud farming 10 million dollar contracts from mixer

earnest leaf
#

or more

#

It does make me wish we could see all owl contracts

tropic herald
#

super is estimated to make 26k per stream

#

so uh

#

LOL

earnest leaf
#

tldr, super rich

tropic herald
#

even if thats a high estimate

willow tartan
#

super millionaire Pog

next mesa
#

i wouldnt be surprised if he made 26k a month

tropic herald
#

wait

willow tartan
#

i wonder what super spends his money on

tropic herald
#

thats not per stream

next mesa
#

thats still like 312k a year

tropic herald
#

thats his per video

earnest leaf
willow tartan
#

oh nah

tropic herald
#

which is still a lot of money

willow tartan
#

dude

#

shit like yt income preds are never correct

earnest leaf
#

I think he's said something along the lines that he doesn't know how long his stream will work for him, so he doesn't want to waste the money

willow tartan
#

i rem seeing pewdiepie estimated to make like 50 mil a year

#

and he said that was way way over

trail perch
#

Yeah hes lying lmao

tropic herald
#

well the estimates dont account for how much taxes are

trail perch
#

Pewdiepie prob makes over 100m a year

#

pre tax

willow tartan
#

from youtube ad revenue*

trail perch
#

prob like 50 post

tropic herald
#

kinda crazy how twitch and yt dont get taxed

willow tartan
#

not from sponsorships

tropic herald
#

but the creators do

trail perch
#

they do get taxed

willow tartan
#

they do you know

tropic herald
#

anyways back to esports

trail perch
#

all companies do

willow tartan
#

business taxes

#

cause it count as revenue

trail perch
#

Just from subs super makes over 1k per stream

#

Not counting donos

#

sponsors

#

YT

#

or the shock

#

the shock prob pay insane money for him

#

cause he is face of brand

willow tartan
#

i reckon 200k/year

trail perch
#

more

#

Decay year one was over 300

willow tartan
#

it was???

north relic
#

dont forget shock will 3 peat and win gf

trail perch
#

Fissure s3 was 200

willow tartan
#

sinatraa was signed for 150k

trail perch
#

salaries are higher now then s1

#

by alot

tropic herald
#

lip salary troll

willow tartan
#

how much do you think moth was signed for

trail perch
#

esports as a whole have progressed alot

willow tartan
#

400k?

trail perch
#

cause buyout

willow tartan
#

oh yea

trail perch
#

Like TenZ had 1m

willow tartan
#

sorry i meant

#

salary

#

not buyout

#

tenz was not 1m

trail perch
#

for his buyout?

#

it was

#

1m

willow tartan
#

which buyout?

trail perch
#

From c9 to sen

willow tartan
#

o

trail perch
#

and that doesnt even count for salery

#

Esports is big money now