#esports-discussion
mortal abyss
lol
noble nexus
lmfao
sullen berry
It's not the first or the last we'll hear about this, it's not esports related. Take it there please.
mortal abyss
so for the time being can they just remove his name so he's "____ ____"
sullen berry
Well they seem to love talking about it in #general-discussion, this just doesn't help the conversation already here
balmy wolf
It's not the first or the last we'll hear about this, it's not esports related. ...
we have 3 weeks without esports man. i wanna talk with ppl
mortal abyss
we're not really derailing anything tho#
sullen berry
God looking back at OWL videos if they weren't already jarring enough
tawdry hamlet
Just wait until owl players start getting fined for still calling him McCree lmaoo
tacit skiff
Casters' efforts haven't gone in vain
mortal abyss
^
sullen berry
Caster have been putting in some mental fortitude this past month not to mention his name
But this is a good opportunity to add to the meme pile along with this
So if a new name for the guy can't be a real name
willow tartan
im so upset
sullen berry
What are they proposing they want to do instead? That's what they implied
willow tartan
no owl live events and now this
willow tartan
I do not and will never support letting people appropriate your names, symbols or anything else just because of actions that they do. Don't let people villainise your iconography.
idgaf about who the real person is, they're not relevant and should not be given any attention
earnest leaf
eh i'll call him cree unless the new name is easier to say
hasty gull
Same probably
noble nexus
it's a just a character's name it really isn't that much of an issue if it's changed
earnest leaf
yea doesn't bother me
noble nexus
neither
frank granite
why do they think another deathmatch map is what we need
bronze turtle
Free mcree ohh no that name looks kinda bad out of context 
hasty gull
It does
I mean I understand why they are changing it
But i dont see it as much of an issue
hasty gull
I mean blizz want to move away from all the shit they got themselves into
hasty gull
So u cant blame them
hasty gull
Yeah
willow tartan
They're not gonna take a moral stand if it means they lose profits.
That's fine, I get that.
bronze turtle
This was kinda needed tough, Blizzard needed to show they are willing to change and distance themselves from what happend. esp for the shareholders, this was a golden change to do it, and they did
mortal abyss
blizzard didnt show it
willow tartan
It was needed for them yes. It was a good decision for them.
mortal abyss
the OW team did
willow tartan
Doesn't make it right.
mortal abyss
blizzard are still scummy as a whole
hasty gull
Mhmm
willow tartan
I think you misunderstand. All corporations are scummy inherently.
bronze turtle
I mean in the end OW team is still blizzard
willow tartan
It's just a matter of whether their interests align with the interests of the consumer.
mortal abyss
anyways please name him after matt mercer : )
hasty gull
anyways please name him after matt mercer : )
Not a bad idea
mortal abyss
I mean in the end OW team is still blizzard
yeah but most of the acts on blizzards side was diablo/wow iirc
hasty gull
Mcree was diablo game director
mortal abyss
I thought it was more COD though.
cod is on the activision side yeah
i was talking about the abusers on the blizzard side of the company
bronze turtle
It was Wow and diablo, i think OW is mostly saved just cause it is a new team, and this issue seemed to be very old
willow tartan
cod is on the activision side yeah
CDL lost like all of their sponsors.
mortal abyss
yeah
mortal abyss
It was Wow and diablo, i think OW is mostly saved just cause it is a new team, a...
mhm
bronze turtle
Same with OWL even tough they not involved which kinda is sad
hasty gull
Xfinity?
sullen berry
TeamSpeak, tapwater, xfinity and coca cola are still on pause
mortal abyss
xfinity might still be there because they still sponsor fusion idk
hasty gull
They own fusion in pretty sure
sullen berry
TS is the only active one currently
hasty gull
Correct me if im wrong
willow tartan
I'm willing to bet that they only said they were in talks so they dodge the backlash.
sullen berry
And they usually strike some sort of deals come playoffs
mortal abyss
i thought coca cola was removed from the sponsors list then addwd back on tho no ads have been shown for themn
willow tartan
Once it's blown over they'll come back.
mortal abyss
Correct me if im wrong
yeah comcast own fusion
sullen berry
Or reupurpose existing ones for segments like Coca Coa victory moments
mortal abyss
Once it's blown over they'll come back.
i mean
with the dwindling viewership of owl
idk
unless season 5 is on OW2
hasty gull
Could be
sullen berry
Quite the stretch
mortal abyss
with the recent rumours that could be a possibility but probably not
hasty gull
But at the same time thats impossible OW2 comes out in 2028
sullen berry
2022 release has never been mentioned, so it could be a surprise if we have any confirmation these next 2 years
sullen berry
Gotta be a little more ambitious
mortal abyss
s5 is confirmed happening, s6 might be on break to accomadate for OW2
sullen berry
Overwatch 2, Coming September 2077
hasty gull
Yeah
willow tartan
s5 is confirmed happening, s6 might be on break to accomadate for OW2
Maybe during the break we can get more 3rd party tournaments outside of the franchised league format.
sullen berry
I like when OWL gets more time in the incubator, doesn't make much sense to hobble together the pieces if hey don't know why current viewership isn't growing organically
mortal abyss
Maybe during the break we can get more 3rd party tournaments outside of the fran...
perhaps
sullen berry
My take on this is that teams will be able to host the Countdown Cup or the June Joust
Less so that it's buy in, but to replicate the virtual homestand model that tried and somehow didn't flop for CDL
Summer showdown hosted by London - everyone suddenly has 300 ping
tacit skiff
preds for the Washington and Paris game?
willow tartan
I want Paris to make it through so OWL has to wonder how they're gonna get an EU team to Hawaii.
hasty gull
I want Paris to make it through so OWL has to wonder how they're gonna get an EU...
yes that would be great
mortal abyss
inb4 messe jecree
willow tartan
viol2t mccree sounds like a good name
next mesa
https://twitter.com/PlayOverwatch/status/1430964453865046025/photo/1 oh wow a new FFA map that no one will give a fuck about
mortal abyss
lol
next mesa
McCree name change is huge though
digital cloud
guess we need to rename anybody with the name Joseph so that we don't remember Joseph Stalin
willow tartan
ughh im malding so hard
next mesa
I mean if they named the character "Joseph Stalin", inspired by the actual Joseph stalin, then yeah they should rename the character lol
the analogy dont work bro
willow tartan
What's wrong with having a Joseph Stalin character?...
mortal abyss
...
digital cloud
I mean, I get that dev being a shit bag and all but come on, the name isn't intrinsically evil
willow tartan
History is history, it won't change because you try to avoid it.
are ww2 games wrong and bad now?
next mesa
if it was a coincidence fine but they literally named it intentionally after the sexual abuser lol
hasty gull
What's wrong with having a Joseph Stalin character?...
hmm i wonder
digital cloud
that assumes it was well known he was a sexual abuser/that he was perpetrating the acts at the point of the name assignment
do we know when he was accused of these things?
or when he was accused to have started, rather
mortal abyss
the cosby suite was in 2013 iirc
willow tartan
It only came out recently.
next mesa
does it matter if it wasn't known?? wtf
digital cloud
you said "coincidence"
mortal abyss
the cosby suite was in 2013 iirc
but information on it only came out recently
hasty gull
mhmm
digital cloud
if nobody knew yet then it wouldn't be with the knolwedge he was a "stalin"
mortal abyss
why do you care so much
willow tartan
cause its literally letting bad people villainise your iconography
its letting the actions of bad people ruin your otherwise fine thing
its absolutely horrible
It's bending over and submitting to them essentially.
next mesa
their fault for naming it after an actual dude
mortal abyss
changing a characters name is not "ruining" them in any sense
next mesa
blizzard's toxic culture has been known for years
mortal abyss
they took the risk in the first place by basing his name off of an irl person
mortal abyss
blizzard's toxic culture has been known for years
this too
digital cloud
I think it does somewhat cause an issue when that name is synonymous with them for years
willow tartan
I don't care about the name at all, it's the concept of letting someone else rip away something that was otherwise fine and have it deemed bad because of the actions of bad people.
willow tartan
It just disgusts me I think would be a way to put it.
mortal abyss
I don't care about the name at all, it's the concept of letting someone else rip...
thats already happened with owl and blizzard lay offs already though
sponsors
next mesa
oh yeah mccree isn't that the name of the sexual abuser dont play him
hasty gull
i dont really see this as a problem and by this i mean changing the characters name
willow tartan
thats already happened with owl and blizzard lay offs already though
How is it related to OWL?
devout path
I just don’t think you should name characters in a fictional game about real people
willow tartan
i dont really see this as a problem and by this i mean changing the characters n...
Not the name itself. The idea of letting bad people appropriate your shit and letting them make it taboo.
digital cloud
probably not
mortal abyss
How is it related to OWL?
because the things bad people in blizz/activision have done have directly affected owl by the sponsors leaving? lol
willow tartan
yeah idk how that has anything to do with what i was saying
north relic
do you think they would change tracers name if this happened
worn falcon
Lena Oxton
digital cloud
I thought that was made up for the character
willow tartan
who?
digital cloud
seems like a WoW guy
worn falcon
afrasiabi was the guy who was in that complaint
was a WoW developer and stepped down
willow tartan
what do you guys think?
should the league have went with live playoffs anyway and tell jimmy to fuck off or
sucks to suck lolzers?
north relic
as long as the setups are fine for hawaii teams i see no problem
willow tartan
me neither
last time ppl tried to force an event because covid was probably gonna be over anyways ended in another lockdown
sullen berry
I'm assuming UoMamoa in Hawaii was only made aware today that they would have to set up shop for the fifth and final time this year
earnest leaf
How are they gonna house the 4 NA teams though
are there even enough PCs lmao
and also who do they scrim
next mesa
against eachother lol
sullen berry
How are they gonna house the 4 NA teams though
That's up to Hawaii and whether hotels want to host smelly gamers
sacred trellis
i feel like doomfist damage is extremely bugged
i will full charge punch a tracer and yet they dont die
my ult will be dead middle on toons and they receive no damage
sacred trellis
1 / 6 players are hacking in QPC
willow tartan
and also who do they scrim
Korean/Chinese contenders
also the teams not playing so depending on who loses between fusion and seoul
and also hangzhou, guangzhou, new york and valiant
technically they could also scrim NA teams too if they are west coast
tawdry hamlet
I agree except for the fact that every other sports league in America is doing full crowds so another lockdown is gonna happen regardless 
Just sucks that we get the worst of both ends, another lockdown and no lan
But such is the pandemic life
willow tartan
I agree except for the fact that every other sports league in America is doing f...
I've been saying this for years; move OWL to Korea.
It's the hub of all OW esports and has been for a while now.
All the players can just chill in one place.
tawdry hamlet
I mean they partially have 
willow tartan
No more international travel worries.
Or hell, do what league does.
with like korean/chinese/american national leagues and then world championship
like stick to one or the other
combined regions or split ones
no fudgery
tawdry hamlet
Honestly if an na team wins finals this year I will be amazed
willow tartan
will you?
we did just see glads beat chengdu, the second best team in the east
all it takes is shanghai to get cucked again
tawdry hamlet
I mean yeah, but that only happened because Shanghai and Dallas willingly stepped back
I doubt a patch will cuck Shanghai unless it's a hard ball nerf
willow tartan
you think chengdu wouldve won against dallas?
tawdry hamlet
Yeah, I think, idk last month was so weird since it was like a tourney for the second best teams lmao
willow tartan
The runnerup cup.
If we ignore the top two teams then NA has a better shot at winning.
I mean they also have more teams in the playoffs lol.
What I mean to say is. I would rephrase "amazed if NA wins" to "amazed if Shanghai doesn't win"
gusty rampart
Shock Three-peat inbound
willow tartan
3peats never happen in OWL.
gusty rampart
There's never been a chance lul
willow tartan
No 3peat MVP, no 3peat widowmaker 1v1 champion, and there will never be 3peat champions.
gusty rampart
I bet you they will
willow tartan
You bet Shock wins this year?
I'm not normally a betting man but that sounds like something I'll put money for.
How much we talking?
gusty rampart
I'm 15
willow tartan
Alright alright, we can place a gentlemen's bet on it.
devout path
If dink is saying shock 3-peat in saying shock lose to Boston
noble nexus
I wouldn't be surprised by the shock pulling off some of the level of play we expected this season come playoffs
willow tartan
I wouldn't be surprised by the shock pulling off some of the level of play we ex...
if shanghai doesnt win i will buy a human
tepid ibex
No it wouldn’t be funny
noble nexus
yes it would :)
willow tartan
my boys deserve a championship
north relic
I feel it in the air
Or rather shd will have no air
tepid ibex
Would be funny if glads get eliminated straight away
noble nexus
Would be funny if glads get eliminated straight away
yeah it would
because then we could all laugh at dpei
earnest leaf
it's a scam
earnest leaf
Took me 30 seconds of searching and saw it's a scam lmao
earnest leaf
Hey maybe steam really did have some deal so I wanted to see
willow tartan
fake URL...
tepid ibex
The grammar of the person and the fact they tried to ping everyone also
willow tartan
dead giveaway
noble nexus
anytime anyone just randomly links discord nitro with no context it's a scam lmfao
north relic
Someone buy nitro to prove the glads fan wrong
noble nexus
that's why I said it
:)
what team do you support?
I bet it's like nyxl or some shit
north relic
Jack you are so smart at guessing
north relic
Can I have a look at your preseason rankings
willow tartan
My pre-season rankings was shanghai 1, shock 2, fusion 3,
noble nexus
mine were soooo bad
north relic
I bet it's like nyxl or some shit
I guess you have seen me say it before and it’s in your conscious without you knowing
noble nexus
maybe idk
I don't actually pay that much attention here
I just make fun of Luigi usually
north relic
Don’t we all
willow tartan
make fun of him when paris wins play ins but cant play in playoffs
so they relinquish their spot to florida
north relic
Making fun of Luigi is the only thing this chat agrees on
willow tartan
I thought we agreed that brenshow is the best casting duo
noble nexus
I also do agree on that
willow tartan
i just associate their voices with the most pepega shit so its always great when they're on broadcast
willow tartan
haha
noble nexus
can't wait to watch esports after Jayne invents it
north relic
What are other iconic things bren has said
Probably the fleta headshot and eqo clutch
next mesa
quote this when shock wins 3peat and ta1yo wins finals mvp
willow tartan
Probably the fleta headshot and eqo clutch
fleta headshots eqo blade were the two most iconic moments last year
personally another good one is the yaki 4 shatter echo
noble nexus
The yaki echo clip was pretty insane too
Those were easily the top 3 moments from last season
willow tartan
I'm still upset that the may melee finals had bad quality.
If we actually had synced audio and good sound
best match in owl history
made even better
north relic
Jokes aside it looks pretty nice
willow tartan
https://twitter.com/McGravy/status/1430957677161680911?s=19
wasnt mcgravy barely in owl
like the most meh off tank in the league
north relic
Got replaced by showcheng
wild cape
https://twitter.com/McGravy/status/1430957677161680911?s=19
based lmaooo
Overwatch try to release good new content challenge
willow tartan
it really is a lose lose
balmy wolf
does anyone have the overwatch league havana remix theme?
willow tartan
no content = complain
content = complain
willow tartan
We already know there's not going to be major content until OW2
take everything that comes now as a bonus
wild cape
I’d love a new control personally
willow tartan
for deathmatch they dont need to worry about how competitively balanced it is
willow tartan
but competitive maps need proper vetting cough paris cough horizon
north relic
I don’t want more 2cp maps
willow tartan
tbh i want ow to focus all of their devs on ow2
north relic
But paris and horizon still do need that rework
wild cape
I don’t want more 2cp maps
we won’t get new 2cp maps
they’re literally removing the game mode
willow tartan
no need new dm map but i assume it was just something 1 dev worked on their own and wanted to release
like shit if they want to then its whatever
north relic
When was kanezaka
willow tartan
earlier this year
wild cape
May I think
north relic
May
Honestly they should just keep these monthly balances patched and I can wait until ow2 release
wild cape
look if we’re gonna get a dm map I’m expecting Atlantis and if it’s not Atlantis then I’ll be disappointed
willow tartan
Honestly they should just keep these monthly balances patched and I can wait unt...
^^^^
wild cape
that’s a joke but I really hope we get an Atlantis map
willow tartan
one month balance changes is way better than the 2 weeks patch schedule we had
mfw owl balance keeps changing every other week + hero pools
that was horrendus
wild cape
Characters can’t swim
characters can’t breathe in space but here we are
willow tartan
there is no space map
wild cape
( bullets and explosions shouldn’t work either)
willow tartan
horizon was taken out of the competitive map pool for a reason
north relic
No like they literally go into water and instantly die
wild cape
No like they literally go into water and instantly die
there’s a little thing called fucking tubes
willow tartan
what is a fucking tube?
north relic
Sounds like a sock
willow tartan
death star map when
willow tartan
Disney buys OW and adds Iron man to overwatch
north relic
In twenty years Disney owns nasa
willow tartan
Thanos doomfist skin
noble nexus
nah they'll have to do a fortnite crossover to fund owl next year
tracer in fortnite
north relic
That unironically could be big for ow2
noble nexus
they'll add king's row to the fortnite map
willow tartan
omnics to save the world
north relic
nah they'll have to do a fortnite crossover to fund owl next year
Wait doesn’t ow pay for Fortnite crossover
willow tartan
fortnite partners with overwatch to add ow hero skins to fortnite
noble nexus
I mean it would benefit overwatch more than fortnite so realistically overwatch would be more likely to pay for it
considering ow is dying and fortnite is like billion dollar videogame
north relic
Fortnite gets crossovers every week
willow tartan
Fortnite event: omnic crisis
noble nexus
fortnite pays for their crossovers
north relic
Fortnite event: omnic crisis
Fortnite is just a better version of archives missions
noble nexus
or most of them are marvel and fortnite is like partnered with or owned by disney innit
yeah I mean there is no difference between save the world missions and junkenstein's revenge
next mesa
https://twitter.com/bobbywasabiOW/status/1431066329449209859 ok thats a cracked roster
trail perch
Who’s on Redbirds?
next mesa
almost every ex AT
trail perch
Maybe 2-14
next mesa
still have like reiner, uv, hydron
trail perch
Assuming they go against both vanc and London
next mesa
yeah
I could see them winning against boston, justice, defiant too if lucky
like on a bad week
next mesa
yea was talking abt bad justice
willow tartan
Assuming they go against both vanc and London
Judging by how well BH did, both them and redbirds would get rolled.
tawdry hamlet
American tornado at it's peak was so good 😮
willow tartan
They went 4-3 against Hadi
tacit skiff
I mean if we look at it like a cycle
Silver3 will be the #1 NA main tank in three seasons
mortal abyss
Less goo
mortal abyss
They went 4-3 against Hadi
They were on 140 ping
hot onyx
Silver3 will be the #1 NA main tank in three seasons
Yeah when all other tanks willing to play the game quit when OW2 is released and Silver3 is the last one active 
willow tartan
They were on 140 ping
Changsik on 200 ping beat boston
raw ermine
Twitter
willow tartan
what other expectations are there in an eSport except "get better"
frank granite
dont get worse
worn falcon
what other expectations are there in an eSport except "get better"
Being Fissure
Entering the workforce
worn falcon
considering it's Korea and games are like a legit work, i dont have doubt he would do that lol
next mesa
good morning y'all
willow tartan
owl still one week away :(
north relic
yes
willow tartan
Jesse McXzi
next mesa
Eckszee
devout path
How about
raw ermine
name him carpe mcpinexzi
devout path
We don’t name characters after real people
Cuz that’s what got us into this mess in the first place
raw ermine
willow tartan
xzi cree + diem widow + lip ashe
north relic
the editors went wild this comms check
north relic
https://twitter.com/overwatchleague/status/1431316078462787586
im glad they kept kr
top two escort maps are out of the pool though
raw ermine
willow tartan
Chad benbest
willow tartan
next mesa
gucci flooding in his dms
north relic
axxiom sounds familar
little tusk
name him like
Jesse westwood or smth idk
clint eastwood knockoff
clint is like 91 anyway doubt he's gonna do much heinous shit
plush grail
Paris Instagram giving me a heart attack and making me think the team was disbanding
But no for some reason the ow page posted something about the cod people leaving the team??
wicked pendant
Aw man
Just saw the announcement about no live crowds because of these CONSTANT MUTATIONS
It'll never end
It's hopeless. Embrace nothingness.
worthy void
when are play ins
earnest leaf
in about 8 days
willow tartan
too long...
north relic
Do teams get to pick maps entire playoffs/play ins
willow tartan
I think higher seed picks first map, loser picks next map.
north relic
Playins as well?
north relic
Kinda sucks not having blizzard world or Rialto they are both iconic
willow tartan
drawzzard world
tbh id prefer if playoffs was all maps unlocked
(except horizon and paris))
north relic
Same
willow tartan
but ig it would be like too many maps for teams to practice on
so then you'd end up with a few teams specialising in certain maps and constantly going there
north relic
Did last year have a map pool
willow tartan
ye
balmy wolf
Toronto, Justice, Paris, and Boston all suck
willow tartan
yes.
north relic
so then you'd end up with a few teams specialising in certain maps and constantl...
I mean it’s kinda like this with fuel and Anubis
north relic
It’s just Houston and shock unless justice does some playoff run again
willow tartan
decay moment
balmy wolf
Spark vs Fusion is shit
north relic
decay moment
The jerry carry
balmy wolf
Horrible game between two horrible teams
willow tartan
Fusion aren't horrible, they're just surprisingly bad.
like they should be top 3 in the world
but theyre more like top 7
north relic
but theyre more like top 7
Would you place shock above fusion
willow tartan
yes.
fusion have been playing shit
but at the same time i wouldnt be surprised if fusion won against shock if they played
cause fusion is just like that
north relic
So it’s like Dallas, shanghai, shock, Seoul, chengdu, glads, reign
Outlaws or fusion
willow tartan
Fusion.
I think Fusion would beat Outlaws.
Like consistently.
(assuming they want to be consistent)
Then again I am just accounting the peaks of each of the teams.
Their maximum potentials.
north relic
Fusion peak is probably like top three
willow tartan
Yeah I can see fusion peak beating everyone but shanghai and dallas.
Shock peak is similar imo.
willow tartan
Peak glads would lose to peak shock/fusion
Though maybe I am putting too much value in rosters.
stuck radish
i wanna see s3 shock vs s4 shanghai
earnest leaf
I think shock is among the teams where their true peak is terrifying
Shock/SHD/Dallas imo have the highest potential peak, to where no one else is beating them unless they are also playing perfectly
north relic
Sometimes I feel like sh doesn’t have a peak and just go higher and higher
willow tartan
gamers break through
stuck radish
shock is definitely worse this year though
theyve gone past their peak (as in they cant get past it anymore)
earnest leaf
And then SHD probably having the absolute highest peak potential this year
willow tartan
June Joust was a certified Shangh-AI moment.
earnest leaf
I don't think shock can reach their peaks from last season
But I think they can get very close
Like imagine a zen/ana/widow meta
willow tartan
Well yeah, no striker is a big one.
earnest leaf
with twilight/ans/viol2t
stuck radish
well playoffs is gonna be on this current patch
earnest leaf
Like who matches those 3 on those heroes
stuck radish
so maybe that could work
willow tartan
It is?
stuck radish
idk though
willow tartan
No playoffs patch?... I'm suspicious.
Something's up.
No way Blizzard actually lets the playoffs be a competitive event right?
willow tartan
Okay so basically the meta is going to be the same.
Teams running ball/winston/orisa depending on map and preference.
earnest leaf
hard to tell
willow tartan
Thank god no Reinhardt 
earnest leaf
No hero bans so it's pretty wide open for meta
willow tartan
Oh wait yeah no hero bans.
Sigma's back in the pool with ashe and echo so double shield moment.
earnest leaf
I could see teams like shock/atlanta running rush for some maps
willow tartan
But also lucio so rush can be forced on certain maps.
Since we already know the map pool and know that higher seeded team picks first we can theorize who will win each game.
time to see gesture lock hog though, big buffs!!!
north relic
time to see gesture lock hog though, big buffs!!!
Gesture now feeds 25% less
north relic
Three sparkle heroes buffed
next mesa
It begins
north relic
When is our next patch anyway
north relic
What was the date of this patch
earnest leaf
August 5th
we might be on a more recent one, but none have balancing iirc
just bug fixes
north relic
So we are due for a new one soon
stuck radish
why is sp9rk1e on support
willow tartan
why is sparkle masters on support
north relic
why is sparkle masters on support
Probably just finished placements
stuck radish
nah hes a masters player
willow tartan
FDgod bap moment
stuck radish
fr9udk1e
north relic
Wait flame night is Choi?
willow tartan
He's learning bap so violet can lucio with him
earnest leaf
I wish
earnest leaf
does remind me one of the best ladder games i've played was with smurf/striker
north relic
does remind me one of the best ladder games i've played was with smurf/striker
The grand finals
earnest leaf
I was in one super stacked lobby a while ago
would have to find the picture
Jimmy was oge
north relic
Is that the real niconiconii?
earnest leaf
lol
willow tartan
who is niconiconi
north relic
Do you legitimately not know
north relic
Is that nico
You mean nicogdh?
north relic
i thought he was done with ow
I’m pretty sure this was a while ago
willow tartan
oo ok
north relic
i thought he was done with ow
I mean Sinatraa is literally in the game
raw ermine
nicogdh didn't go to valorant I think
willow tartan
man wants to live
north relic
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E74g9GsWEAgKEB0?format=png&name=900x900
Who is this
willow tartan
nico
raw ermine
nicogdh
noble nexus
pretty sure cloud9 owns spitfire do they not?
barren quest
They do
noble nexus
yeppers just double checked myself
raw ermine
Twitter
north relic
It’s fdgods birthday right
next mesa
indeed
gusty rampart
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E74g9GsWEAgKEB0?format=png&name=900x900
Who dis?
gusty rampart
Oh
tacit skiff
reminder that the Titans are tied for second to last place in the League rankings, so the only place left to go is dead last.
tawdry hamlet
Thank you Teru! Post incoming, then soon a Welcome Colorhex! Post incoming any day now
then soon after a Thank you Changsik! With Welcome Hadi attached to it in a second tweet
Genuinely wonder what they'll do even worse
S3 was pretty bad but had highlights like ksaa shockwave tsuna but s4 literally just had Teru 💀
Like how tf did they downgrade the second worst team in the league to be even worse
I could almost say they are the most talented org at making bad rosters
willow tartan
At least the Valiant weren't trying.
Vancouver are just actively sabotaging themselves.
tawdry hamlet
Then again Houston kept Muma for three years 😭
Tbh early seasons had so many players that had no right being in Owl lmaoo
Think about how iddq and dhak became violet and striker
Name a bigger upgrade than that lmaoo
willow tartan
Fearless (s1) to Fearless (s3)
north relic
Think about how iddq and dhak became violet and striker
Fdgod to violet
tawdry hamlet
Actually yeah let's name some of the biggest upgrades in overwatch league history
I've got a few here
Muma ---> JJangu
IDDQD and Dhak to Violet and Striker
Hmmmm, Colourhex to Valentine, Logix to Aspire,
north relic
Big goose shaz to shu moth
tawdry hamlet
Logix got tracer diffed by Dalton and Aspire stood up to some of the best tracers in the league so I'd say it's relatively big
Shu moth and skewed loll
Chengdu's backline sheesh 😤
north relic
Who was Houston’s last year off tank
I remember meko retiring sadge but wasn’t there another one
north relic
Hydration off tank?
willow tartan
coolmatt
north relic
Wtf was Houston doing
willow tartan
Coolmatt done well for himself
north relic
He didn’t retire
willow tartan
GM now
north relic
Doesn’t he still work for Houston
willow tartan
yes
north relic
Helped Danteh balls
willow tartan
he is their gm
tawdry hamlet
Yeah I meant he retired from play
Also remember how this dude was average to above average to teamless and nobody said a word
https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/SharP
willow tartan
In S7 coolmatt buys the Houston Outlaws
tawdry hamlet
Literally forgot he existed
tawdry hamlet
Kai stonks ended Sharps career lmaoo
north relic
Maybe like Neptuno boom box to funnyastro alarm was bigger than shu moth?
willow tartan
ohh he played for envy
tawdry hamlet
He was on to be s4 Atlanta hitscan and then Kai became free agent and within like a day or two Thank you Sharp! Was posted lmaoo
Which is a far better pickup but sad for sharp lol
north relic
He wasn’t playing anyway
willow tartan
Maybe like Neptuno boom box to funnyastro alarm was bigger than shu moth?
smurf upgrade was huge
north relic
Super to smurf
tawdry hamlet
Didn't shock run a weird tank in s1 one of the euro dudes
I can't even remember
Zyxx right?
willow tartan
choi and nomy
tawdry hamlet
Or was it numlocked or something I can't remember lmao
north relic
super didnt even play
I thought Smurf wasn’t in shock in s1
north relic
So super couldn’t be a minor
willow tartan
???
willow tartan
So super couldn’t be a minor
how not
north relic
Smurf came in s2 right
willow tartan
yea
north relic
And super was not a minor in s2
tawdry hamlet
They had a tankline super was benched for a while I saw his akshon eSports video a few days ago lmaoo
willow tartan
didnt nevix retire last year
north relic
Yea
willow tartan
gone into the wind
north relic
Ivy to chipsa is probably the biggest upgrade
north relic
Chipsa hanzo better than ivy
willow tartan
sleepy to twilight
earnest leaf
what would you guys say is the biggest downgrade in owl history
willow tartan
tawdry hamlet
It's fucking wild to me that sleepy and IDDQD were on their roster lmao
earnest leaf
mine is Twilight to roolf
willow tartan
runaway titans to whatever the fuck they signed
tawdry hamlet
what would you guys say is the biggest downgrade in owl history
Literally titans to titans
willow tartan
no contest
earnest leaf
Remember how florida had fate
willow tartan
Nah
earnest leaf
then went to oge
north relic
Like glister to hybrid
earnest leaf
north relic
London thing s
tawdry hamlet
But there's a few others like glister to hybrid and happy to mykayleee
willow tartan
remember the memes about london signing every main support in the league
north relic
But there's a few others like glister to hybrid and happy to mykayleee
Shu to kariv
tawdry hamlet
Remember that one guy who was on their roster until mid January before they finally released him and everyone thought it'd be British hurricane plus one Korean guy
north relic
shu wasnt outstanding in s3
Wasn’t shu still ranked top 5 last year though
willow tartan
on fs or as a whole
tawdry hamlet
Iziyaki twilight violet alarm uhh
willow tartan
cause on fs he's like top 7 prolly
earnest leaf
Last year for FS was basically the Viol2t/Alarm show
willow tartan
i thought fielder and rapel were pretty good
tawdry hamlet
I miss best main support in the world version of moth, where's that man 😭 skewed too good
earnest leaf
and wasn't skewed some rando FS from a low tier KR contenders team
tawdry hamlet
I wouldn't mind tbh skewed deserves the spot and moth already got the bag twice plus gets money to ride the bench lmao
trail perch
*the worst contenders team
north relic
and wasn't skewed some rando FS from a low tier KR contenders team
Must be some good scouting
trail perch
not a low tier
willow tartan
and wasn't skewed some rando FS from a low tier KR contenders team
OZ gaming
trail perch
the team that also had checkmate and friday and develop
and where the worst contendies team
willow tartan
bad team with rare talent
trail perch
They most def where the worst
tawdry hamlet
That teams tank player is also currently in prison for sexual assault 💀
tawdry hamlet
willow tartan
harassment not assault
tawdry hamlet
Against a minor 
willow tartan
anyway so
shanghai probably picks outlaws for playoffs right?
cause outlaws is the least flexible team
and the most shit
tawdry hamlet
Remember when Florida put that post up deciding which off tank to pick up and had all the free agent names on the board and the gm was tired and overworked af and accidentally left fr3e name up there. That was amusing
And I'd assume so
Since Houston is probably the weakest team coming into playoffs
tawdry hamlet
It's outlaws and Joobi, of course they'll go rush lmaoo
willow tartan
So I think Outlaws are like the least flexible team coming into playoffs
Shanghai will pick Outlaws, Dallas will pick uhh....
tawdry hamlet
They're mostly na players and they have a great reinhardt and Danteh on mei so I highly doubt they'd do anything besides rush
willow tartan
Who would dallas pick
dallas picks atlanta cause they can beat them in the mirror?
what'dya guys think
tawdry hamlet
Hmm maybe, who are their choices?
tawdry hamlet
Atlanta when they have to mirror instead of double shield/bunker thing are significantly worse so if a team like Dallas or Shanghai executes their ball or monke comp right Atlanta is dead
But monke into Atlanta's bunker thing is kind of meh
Since he gets melted
willow tartan
With teams like Shock and Fusion/Seoul you're sort of gambling
idk am i crazy for thinking that
tawdry hamlet
Chengdu theoretically beat out Shock Fusion Seoul and Atlanta any day of the week and if Shanghai is allegedly stronger than them it doesn't look good
willow tartan
Alright so Shanghai picks Outlaws, Fuel picks Reign,
Between Shock and Seoul/Fusion I think its obvious they pick the winner of the apac one
So that means Gladiators play Shock 
tawdry hamlet
I also think Atlanta are a wild card though because while they're not super flexible much like Houston they still have made Hawaii 3 times so they're far from bad and win when they need to so I almost feel like Atlanta is a far more difficult choice
willow tartan
No Pelican tho.
willow tartan
We saw how they fell apart without them
tawdry hamlet
Edison is much like sparkle tbh, like sparkle gives me Edison if he was better overall and had a genji vibes
Edison has no echo either
Which is unfortunate
Considering pelican on echo was a huge difference maker
willow tartan
Yeah, echo being unbanned
So shanghai vs houston, safe to say shanghai dub.
Fuel vs Reign could go either way but my money is on fuel
Closest game for the quarterfinals is Glads vs Shock
tawdry hamlet
Which if glads play like last week they'll roll
willow tartan
Shock came closer than Reign to beating Glads though
tawdry hamlet
That's true, but Reign had no pelican and Gladiators played their best matches of the season
willow tartan
Idk I think that the match between shock and glads specifically can go either way
tawdry hamlet
It'll be interesting if shock get it together or if their problems resurface
I'd predict a map 5 tho to be safe
tawdry hamlet
Lucio unban means shock get worse hehe
Kind of like Paris when they play rush they get worse
willow tartan
and im hoping for a shock win so we can see the Shock vs Shanghai rematch in the Semifinals.
tawdry hamlet
Yes pls
tawdry hamlet
I want shock to win but glads look so good rn
willow tartan
i kinda have faith that shock pull it together but itd be dumb for me to pred them so im going to pred them winning anyway
tawdry hamlet
I also believe in the upset but pred the opposite to be safe lmao
willow tartan
So then in the losers bracket we will have Glads vs Outlaws
glads roll safe to say
And then Atlanta/Fuel vs Seoul/Fusion which uhh
tawdry hamlet
Outlaws have made it as far as they go imo, they're good and all but I don't see them matching a top level team
willow tartan
i cant tell with seoul/fusion tbh
seoul dropped the ball in CC and we never saw fusion in a tournament
tawdry hamlet
Seoul lost to Atlanta without Pelican 💀
willow tartan
so we dont know how these teams will perform when they are playing their best
and thats if they play their best
tawdry hamlet
If seouls coaches lay off the crack they could make top 4 but it's unlikely LOL
willow tartan
Out of all the teams in the playoffs the Seoul/Fusion one imo is the wildcard
stuck radish
Seoul lost to Atlanta without Pelican 💀
yeah but playoff profit
willow tartan
the one thats hardest to predict
tawdry hamlet
Playoff profit on mei
willow tartan
Seoul and Fusion can make anywhere from 8th to 2nd imo
tawdry hamlet
Yeah
willow tartan
literally unpredictable
tawdry hamlet
I feel the same with Houston but 8th-4th
stuck radish
shanghai wont get screwed by the meta this time
tawdry hamlet
Shanghai Glads final would be awesome
willow tartan
seoul especially
willow tartan
Shanghai Glads final would be awesome
We will see that in the semifinals if glads beat shock
but i have a feeling shock arent gonna drop out in the first match
barren quest
Just wondering, does playins and playoffs play on the same patch?
stuck radish
yea
willow tartan
idk im feeling good abt them coming into the playoffs. it's gamblers fallacy tbh. "they can't be shit all year can they?"
stuck radish
playoffs are gonna be on this current patch
tawdry hamlet
I felt good about Florida man, this was their year, they began the season upsetting justice and beating Chengdu and then this happened
barren quest
Legs meta
stuck radish
watch the meta is soldier mercy
tacit skiff
Fearless (s1) to Fearless (s3)
silver3 gonna get the same treatment
willow tartan
the universe will not allow it
barren quest
Fleta gotta lock the legs
tawdry hamlet
If silver3 or Hadi get another team that isn't a resigning I will actually eat a live raw worm on god 🙏
tawdry hamlet
Like if another team signs either of those players and they don't get released or resigned I'll die inside lmao
willow tartan
since we know what the patch is going to be what do you guys think will be meta
tawdry hamlet
Hmm
willow tartan
think its v map dependent with the 3 styles of rush double shield and dive
though actually
tawdry hamlet
Double shield or ball with a mix of monke Sombra tracer
willow tartan
rush might beat out orisa compositions
just like out of skill difference
like shock forcing rush
tawdry hamlet
I think the potential of the orisa comp is higher but Atlanta is the only one who could make it work at the higher level
willow tartan
seoul could do that
tawdry hamlet
Otherwise it's Sombra tracer monke ana or ball comp
willow tartan
put fits on the cree and let it roll
tawdry hamlet
But I almost guarantee Sombra tracer ana monkey comes out from na
fallen turret
if the grand finals aren’t two of chengdu, Shanghai, and Dallas, I don’t see it being very competitive
tawdry hamlet
When glads played Sombra tracer monkey ana into Chengdu on illios well, that was disgusting the value Jinmu got lmaoo
willow tartan
I think Shanghai will play the shit they played in the summer showdown
Mostly ball and when they cant run ball, the winston
tawdry hamlet
Pharah ball or the wack ass torb soldier bunker lmao
Remember torb soldier Shanghai, that shit was so cursed
willow tartan
Mostly ball and when they cant run ball, the winston
And of course the Orisa speciality on Anubis
tawdry hamlet
willow tartan
dude shanghai making a counter comp to their counter comp is actually 6D chess
fallen turret
Watch Shanghai and Dallas forget they actually need to try or forget how
willow tartan
they engineered a composition to beat specifically chengdu only
willow tartan
like they knew that chengdu couldnt compete on anything but the ball comp
EZ key to beat chengdu
tawdry hamlet
They countered their own overthinking with simple but ez mirror with ball instead of monke during neo goats
It was funny as fuck when they tried bunker though
tacit skiff
sucking Shanghai's dick continues to be memeicus' favourite passtime
tacit skiff
y'know what's impressive
willow tartan
my schlong
tacit skiff
losing to seoul and that costing them the gf
tawdry hamlet
Do you think LAG could have made it to the June joust if they mirrored rather than bunker countered
They played stand1
tawdry hamlet
Tbh, lag could've made tourneys a lot if they didn't get the best or second best opponent every time lmao
willow tartan
Dallas was by far the best Moira Lucio team in the world
tawdry hamlet
But they threw the Atlanta series in July
willow tartan
yep
man why cant the playoffs start already
skip play ins we already know its gonna be shock and outlaws
paris cant even make it to hawaii
willow tartan
how is that team so atrociously bad i dont get it
theyre a bigger disappointment than the fusion
tawdry hamlet
Washington is actually disgustingly bad for their roster
willow tartan
^
tawdry hamlet
Everyone says "no backline diff mag is actually good and he diffed fearless that single time"
But like Decay and Jerry mechanically look fine but team wise look bad, fury looks fucking awful decision making and confidence in his team and ttuba closer bebe backline is heal bot central
Nobody works as a team deadass like s3 Dallas in a way
Lack of coach
willow tartan
washington coach is who
tawdry hamlet
Exactly
willow tartan
their coach is supreme...