there were only 4 widows in the 1v1 earlier this year lol
#esports-discussion
hot onyx
Ah yes Kai is my favourite Eastern player
willow tartan
kai played?
next mesa
Kai is actually so bad at window 1v1
hot onyx
Yeah
willow tartan
i mean did he really though he went 1-5
next mesa
yes he did
hot onyx
Kai Gwangboong Pine and Lip
hot onyx
Kai did his best
willow tartan
true
next mesa
when ur best is not enough 😔 ✊
willow tartan
lmao i remember kai also shit the bed last year's widow 1v1
he lost to FUCKING SOON
balmy wolf
kai didnt give a shit
north relic
didnt he say widow 1v1s are boring and hes going kamikaze mode
balmy wolf
yes
nocturne yacht
is goblin comin to toronto next season?
plush grail
is goblin comin to toronto next season?
who
north relic
never seen a more obvious deez nuts but luigi still some how falls for it
plush grail
just bury me with mcd's career
nocturne yacht
just bury me with mcd's career
😭
plush grail
never seen a more obvious deez nuts but luigi still some how falls for it
have u heard of deez
north relic
have u heard of deez
whats deez
plush grail
paris > bosotn
willow drum
who plays flex support
plush grail
im typin with 1 hand
next mesa
mcd suspension will make spark a better team no cap
because m1ka >>>>>>>>>> idk and m1ka can only play with coldest
coldest is only slightly worse than mcd
north relic
werent people hyped about coldest
mortal abyss
Apparently mika didn’t play because mcd didn’t want to play with a non-Korean flex support
Also mcd was sinophobic to a bunch of other Chinese players so good riddance I guess
next mesa
they had to fire him because apparently chinese fans really hated how they treated lige
behind the scenes
also they benched shy
last nimbus
What happened?
trail perch
also they benched shy
????
next mesa
nah hes been 18 since last october
next mesa
they r thats why they got fired
and its so dumb like shy's been signed to bilibili since he was like 14 or smt developing him and when hes eligible u dont play him like ??????
so thats why he g ot fired
balmy wolf
spark is the toronto of apac
tawdry hamlet
Also idc about the termination because the seasons basically over anyway
tacit skiff
the overwatch league is basically over anyway
tawdry hamlet
Pretty wild tho he just poofed off his contract for saying "fuck you fucking Chinese" but others can say "kys r word kys kys r word" and still be on shock 
Thus is the culture of Asia I guess
Assume it's related to timing and end of season
Either way he fucked up with an org that has a history of going off on players who fuck up (Krystal being sued for 2 mil lmaoo) so big brain MCD moment
north relic
oh shit new casters to masters
tawdry hamlet
hidden vault
Lmao so all these action were only taken cause of the fans
tawdry hamlet
Casters to Masters time, also now spark can field the roster they should've fielded the whole time 🙏
earnest leaf
Pretty wild tho he just poofed off his contract for saying "fuck you fucking Chi...
A lot harder to defend straight racism from a player than straight toxicity
the viol2t thing was easily swept under the rug with a fine/ 1 game suspension
tawdry hamlet
I guess 
, either way think he'll be on valiant next season 
Krystal MCD Reunion incoming ez
I didn't realize that most of sparks roster was new
Like half their roster joined within the last year
buoyant coyote
Honestly I didn’t think MCD was that good or am I just stupid
next mesa
he was really good
noble nexus
MCD was pretty decent
tawdry hamlet
He was honestly one of the better apac flex supports which is really depressing lmao
MCD and creative underrated 
Gameplay wise I mean
Lmao
willow tartan
Wait the reason why shy, lige and m1ka havent been playing was because of mcd???
actually robbed
tropic herald
MCD was pretty good at Ana n Zen but never saw his Bap 
willow tartan
yeah as if hangzhou ran any bap at all this season
tropic herald
They played Bap Mercy and put idk on Bap LOL
tawdry hamlet
Now if only spark could commit to not playing idk 
willow tartan
why did they pick up idk again?
tawdry hamlet
He's been there since 2018 actually lmao
willow tartan
you just made me flashjback
did idk play last season?
you've just confused me
wasnt it m1ka and bebe
tacit skiff
Fusions LOL
vagrant cargo
Ok
willow tartan
boston uprising? playoffs? funny
tacit skiff
Fusions? Boston Uprising? Funny
knees used to tremble when they heard the name Boston Uprising
back in the Striker + Crusty days
noble nexus
holding onto s1 success
willow tartan
right...
tacit skiff
London hopium
noble nexus
kinda sad
willow tartan
just like knees used to tremble when they hear flash lux
raw ermine
Fusions LOL
the b stands for benched
willow tartan
tacit skiff
valiant lmao
raw ermine
racist against chinese players
trail perch
Asia isn’t a monolith
Koreans can be racist towards Chinese ppl
Japanese ppl can be racist towards Koreans
Etc
tacit skiff
So if a British guy went "Fucking French people"
would that be considered racism against French people?
tacit skiff
ew
trail perch
Yeah I mean Chinese corporations are forced to be very pro China
tacit skiff
but Alibaba is offering me such great deals on knockoff items
very pro consumer
I'm sure no children were harmed in the making of these baby Winston plushies
trail perch
Yeah ofc 100 percent
next mesa
Chinese has very very strong nationalist spirit
trail perch
No child labor or slavery
tacit skiff
Chinese isn't a race, Chinese people are a part of a race
What happened with MCD is terrible
what he said was terrible
but it wasn't racism
next mesa
does it matter
hot onyx
Mans insulted another person by singling them out based on their ethnicity
Sounds kind of racist to me
willow tartan
Well doesn't racism specifically mean discrimination against someone's race?
next mesa
if the rumors are true that MCD didnt want to play with a non korean support
willow tartan
Ethnicities are not races.
next mesa
Im welling to bet that this was just an excuse to get rid of him
well no but its likely
dawn rune
nationalities/ethnicities are not races - french is one of those 🤝
next mesa
& would be surprised that they didnt get rid of him sooner
willow tartan
if the rumors are true that MCD didnt want to play with a non korean support
Maybe he just really disliked m1ka
next mesa
OOPS not coldest MCD
willow tartan
dont worry my brain corrected the message for you and didnt realize it was wrong
next mesa
pog
trail perch
Does he legit just hate Chinese ppl?
Also someone said smth about benching shy??
And MCD bullying LiGe
willow tartan
i think someone said that mcd didnt want to play w chinese players and so i asked is that why shy didnt play early in the season
and in extension also lige
next mesa
I think shy not playing was just the coaches being 0 iq dumbasses
its just that
chinese people are already pretty outraged at lige, shy situations that spark cant do anything wrong anymore so after this incident they had to take a stance
imo
last nimbus
Players dont get to choose the comps?
If coaches want that players do something they have to
Even if theyre not okay with that
worn falcon
^
coaches talks with players, picks
if they dont want, they can ask the org for dropping them or telling theyre not complying with the contract
final musk
has sbb played for seoul at all this year?
final musk
wow.
last nimbus
Yeah it could have been that MCD baited the coaches into saying that he couldnt play well with shy
worn falcon
chinese orgs be like "we dont want to play with sbb"
final musk
and that is why i can't even cheer for CDH even if i like ga9a a lot.
worn falcon
NYXL, Fusion said nothing since they mixed or korean
but Chengdu, Spark, Charge were mad
cant remember if SHD too.
willow tartan
If coaches want that players do something they have to
coaches cant force players to play
tawdry hamlet
As much as I love sbb, profit and fits are just way better and the only practical use for him would he in the weird chance we get like double sniper or something
willow tartan
how good is sbbs hanzo
tawdry hamlet
Since profit and fits cover Sombra tracer and mcree Ashe just fine
Unless you got like an Ashe Sombra meta or some shit but then profit could just do Sombra over sbb doing Ashe
next mesa
I doubt sbb's gonna play over profit even in a hard traacer meta
willow tartan
fits ashe >>> sbb ashe
next mesa
double sniper fits and profit also covers lol
willow tartan
profit tracer >>> sbb tracer
next mesa
just put profit on hanzo/ashe and fits on widow
tawdry hamlet
fits ashe >>> sbb ashe
Well yeah easily I meant fits Sombra > sbb/profit meaning like if fits had to run Sombra I guess sbb could run Ashe cree if that goofy meta ever happened lmaoo. But at that point just put profit on the Sombra and fits on hitscan
willow tartan
sbb plays if we're in a double tracer meta
tawdry hamlet
That's like the only scenario I can think of lmao
If somehow fits can't do Sombra or hard double cowboy meta lmaoo
Genuinely can't think of a meta he'd be in now that I think harder, sbb on Florida could've been cool to fill where sayaplayer left
crisp condor
Possibly
willow tartan
even then he didnt play tho
crisp condor
Depends on if fits’s tracer is bad
tawdry hamlet
I guess I forgot echo tracer happens but I'm pretty sure fits has a tracer too it just isn't profit level
willow tartan
the question is if sbb tracer > fits tracer
(assuming that its a hard lock tracer only meta)
cause even in the MM we saw echo/pharah/ashe
tawdry hamlet
If lip and happy are anything to go on then snipers seem to hide a tracer in their hero pool that we don't know is really good so who knows maybe his tracer is crazy
willow tartan
yeah dude ppl were surprised when sparkle played up and took the tracer role when shit got rocked with LIP being the number 1 tracer in that stage
he led in all tracer stats at one point
tawdry hamlet
Tbh most dps I think have a tracer at this point since we've seen ans tracer, happy tracer, lip tracer, pelican tracer, Eileen tracer, Nero tracer, choisehwan tracer, eqo tracer, like all people who weren't expected to be the main tracer player
willow tartan
thats cause all of the teams their on have better tracer players
its like how some ppl think twilight only plays ana cause he's benched by viol2t
trail perch
I think sbb can play in a tracer echo meta
tawdry hamlet
Mykayleee comeback time when?
trail perch
Or really tracer and any other fdps
Like imagine if tracer mei or sm shit
Tracer pharah
Etc.
willow tartan
what comp tracer mei
tawdry hamlet
Hmm I guess but in apac mei is never meta
crisp condor
Not tracer doom tho
trail perch
Yeah cause fits nutty
crisp condor
Tracer doom it’s profits
trail perch
But yk what I mean
crisp condor
Yeah
tawdry hamlet
Didn't birdring play tracer in the pre Kevster days
crisp condor
Tracer genji would he play though?
trail perch
Yeah prob
crisp condor
Yeah I swear bird and profit both played tracer and genji season 1
willow tartan
most fdps play genji
trail perch
Yeah they both nutty
In s1 sbb said the best tracers where him striker birdring and profit
tawdry hamlet
I wonder if mirror has a tracer in his pool like Edison since their pool is similar
trail perch
London had 2 in the top 4
tawdry hamlet
Kai has never played tracer over Edison or pelican right? I wonder what his tracer is like
willow tartan
what is the worst possible overwatch league roster that could beat the valiant
out of all the players in the league
tawdry hamlet
S3 Boston kek
crisp condor
Kai has never played tracer over Edison or pelican right? I wonder what his trac...
Idk if he’s ever played tracer in owl
tawdry hamlet
S3 Vancouver unironically > s3 Boston
willow tartan
true
tawdry hamlet
S3 Titans vs Boston was literally just shockwave vs Jerry and the rest just existed
willow tartan
nah remember when punk was added and boston got their only wins of the season?
tawdry hamlet
Punk vs ksaa duel too true
Ksaa was really good for playing on Saudi ping lmao
Still top of eu t2 as well so it isn't like he's bad
willow tartan
yea ksaa gaming
tawdry hamlet
Him and lullsish goated duo in eu t2
I really want another tier 2 tank duo from eu just to see if Hadi Molf was a fluke or if eu tanks just shit
Since ellivote lullsish never got to play on justice we don't know
crisp condor
Hawk gator worked out tho and weren’t they a duo in t2?
tawdry hamlet
Yeah that Atlanta academy team with gator hawk dogman sugarfree
willow tartan
hawk gator was NA
tawdry hamlet
Yummy team
crisp condor
Ah
willow tartan
I really want another tier 2 tank duo from eu just to see if Hadi Molf was a flu...
who coaches london
tawdry hamlet
Sugarfree casually coming back to ow for a month real quick to play top level tier 2 games diffing ex owl pros then go back to valorant like it's nothing
What a maniac
The open division game of sugarfree vs nicogdh tracer duel lmaoo
Nico got dumpstered even with ping advantage
London coach I have to look idek lmao
Oh yeah Fischer
crisp condor
Fisher and spilo right?
tawdry hamlet
Yeah
willow tartan
Oh yeah Fischer
I know this sounds like copium but get this right. What if the reason why the most dominant European contenders roster flopped in OWL was because they were under different coaching as they didnt promote their contenders coach with them?
like no way they should be worse than paris right?
willow tartan
i dont think so?
next mesa
next mesa
retired
willow tartan
maaaan idk
how does bh be worse than paris
thats whats confuzzled me
surely its not entirely BH players were just dogshit
tacit skiff
wait is the Krystal on the Valiant also the Krystal from the Spark
tawdry hamlet
Tbf the Paris players had success in owl pre Paris and their coach jmac just spent a whole season getting dumpstered in apac
So maybe experience factor?
willow tartan
Yes.
tawdry hamlet
Like tsuna onigod were on ping and bad teams last year but weren't awful
willow tartan
Gigachad krystal
tawdry hamlet
And naga was like the second best eu projectile after danned on hurricane
But danned wasn't promoted for some reason
tacit skiff
The Krystal that had a family emergency and then ignored the Spark trying to reach out for like
ever?
willow tartan
Tbf the Paris players had success in owl pre Paris and their coach jmac just spe...
why is daan better than hadi
Must be coaching diff.
tawdry hamlet
Kaan was a big ass surprise and ellivote was technically in owl and relevant for a long time. Hadi is just puzzling me lmaoo
tacit skiff
Hadi is goated
but in all seriousness, easily the worst main tank in the league
Silver3 would diff
willow tartan
Hadi won a game.
tawdry hamlet
I think coaching diff could be right because in gauntlet Dubai sandstorm had yznsa ksaa daan and others and got pounded and Hadi easily looked like better main tank. So I think in contenders where the coaching is equal daan looked bad but in owl where coaching matters daan met far more potential maybe idk
Daan also doesn't have a bottom tier backline and he looked awful when he did, Remember the feeding machine that was daan when he had neptuno vs dridro
willow tartan
Big diff between Vancouver and the Fuel
A vancouver team that beat the boston uprising who beat the paris eternal who beat the fuel
tacit skiff
Reminder that was easily the worst NA team that wasn't winless
until Checkmate charged into the team
and Florida kinda just
charged
willow tartan
So maybe kellex holds Hadi back idk lmaoo
Fuck it. Send FDGod to london as an experiment.
tacit skiff
to the bottom
tawdry hamlet
I don't even think Florida played well in that 2-3 with checkmate. Checkmate just played really weird overwatch they weren't prepared for at all like wtf you do when the enemy shield holder charges your off tank into the wall and kills them before the point even unlocks lmaoo
How do you prepare for a teleporter charge through lmao
That tp play was built different
wild cape
good riddance MCD
tawdry hamlet
god what a fucking charge, backwards charge so he faces forward when hitting the enemy team
willow tartan
if i had a duo i would so totally do that
tacit skiff
earnest leaf
they'll make a whole movie for him whenever he retires
and then he can go retire and become a part owner of NRG
willow tartan
he buys the org with the millions he's made from streaming and owl
sacred trellis
i am shocked by the number of hackers i face day to day i could stream this shit and players would publicly see how fucked overwatch casual is
i think blizz really let this IP go
sacred trellis
not big enough
raw ermine
yeah 18k ppl
earnest leaf
was just a tiny bit over 18k
sacred trellis
i would say 60% of my quick play games had at least 1 hacker
mostly wall hackers but i'm seeing more ai scripted aiming though
not sure how they are going to go about banning that
i think the name shaming policy needs to go
players "nick names" should be shamed for hacking
and the hacking should be drawn in front of public eyes and on forums
willow tartan
That's what the report function is for.
People can share the same name.
Also, can't really just take someone's word for it.
sacred trellis
no but its against ToS to post are YT replay of a active hacker
it shouldnt be
if players are stupid enough to share the same name then that is their own fault
again shouldnt cheat
sullen berry
Who is Moose
digital cloud
18k?
why would ow decimate the playerbase like that
there are only a few poor bastards left
north relic
why would ow decimate the playerbase like that
Yes just don’t ban hackers
tawdry hamlet
idk if you have been watching any streamers recently but the hacking is out of control
apply had like 3 games in a row where someone joined did the chat abuse ddos the server thing which ruins the game and crashes it for everyone and they lose sr. I have seen it several times in the last week, glad they finally did something
sullen berry
in Tekken, you can detect cheats as the are active and you can match hackers with other players, there can't be enough of them to warrant changes to matchmaking by flagging hackers because that would be extremely frustrating for good players still being flagged as hacking too
While valorant wants to have the ability to harvest your whole device in order to hardware ban its players. Great for dodgers and it's a little overkill, don't you think?
next mesa
I only encountered maybe like ~10 hackers in like 4+ years of playing lol
but also
high level is true
Maybe im just lucky
that new hack is insane
wild cape
I’ve only seen one cheater before
earnest leaf
I see them much more often than I would like to
digital cloud
I only ever ran into one, and he was an idiot
he was using hitscan aimhacks, but on echo
gusty rampart
Thoughts on the MCD situation?
tacit skiff
MCD said dumb thing
isn't racist
because that doesn't make sense
but they deserve a penalty like that for dumb thing
tawdry hamlet
saying fuck you fucking chinese to a chinese person as a someone of a different country it can be construed as racist, since he made a point to point out chinese lmao
anyway, overwatch anti cheat is dogshit on pc at top level I see streamers get in games with cheaters all the time
earnest leaf
Was the thing about him not playing with certain people because they were chinese true?
tawdry hamlet
unfortunate
also the actual clip for full context on anyone who has yet to see it
oh hey
a tweet on the thread said they wanted to see him go to justice
before this
and tbh he probably would be a great bebe replacement too
:((
this off season the one name I care about is jerry, pls don't cuck this man a third season in a row he is so goooood
tacit skiff
saying fuck you fucking chinese to a chinese person as a someone of a different ...
yeah and if a British person said fucking French people
no one would care
like there are plenty of examples of this
tawdry hamlet
im37 does not diff jerry lmaooo
tawdry hamlet
nationalities/ethnicities are not races - french is one of those 🤝
see attached message
tepid ibex
isn't racist
What he said is xenophobic
He made the insult based around the player being Chinese, it was xenophobic.
He’s on a Chinese team with Chinese players
Him being fired was a good move by the spark
tawdry hamlet
tepid ibex
devout path
Fuck xenophobia all my homies hate xenophobia
trail perch
Fuck xenophobia all my homies hate xenophobia
amen
idle gorge
What did mcd do?
willow tartan
Flamed another player in ranked.
mortal abyss
Fuck xenophobia all my homies hate xenophobia
Based
If I was spark I would of booted him a lot earlier if the rumours are true
Keep in mind not perfect translations
But yeah
willow tartan
Keep in mind not perfect translations
lmao i love that
he was gonna be benched anyway but got fired cause he said shit
devout path
Good
mortal abyss
This is esports lol
devout path
Already muted just ignore
mortal abyss
Right
next mesa
Keep in mind not perfect translations
They're good
noble nexus
yeah mcd deserved that shit
especially considering half his team is chinese and his org is chinese
dude is kinda stupid
noble nexus
yeah basically
next mesa
Damn coldest m1ka better be hot as fuckkk with that scrim time
trail perch
Honestly doubt he’ll get picked up by anyone now
Mans probably got himself blackballed
tawdry hamlet
which is unfortunate because he was actually pretty good lmao
vagrant cargo
What he said is xenophobic
It gets worse
Basically after spark picked up onlywish the cn Coach he started refusing to scrimn etc
According to rumors
tawdry hamlet
trail perch
What did someone say about him bullying LiGe
next mesa
Dumbass bitch
willow tartan
Honestly doubt he’ll get picked up by anyone now
Vancouver Titans:
next mesa
its free real estate
its totally gonna go well
company that doesnt like koreans and player that only likes koreans
north relic
Damn coldest m1ka better be hot as fuckkk with that scrim time
no they have to be cold
raw ermine
the boyz from AT still live on with there legacy on redbirds
next mesa
SO FUCKING EASY
north relic
alarm looks buff
mortal abyss
he is
north relic
how tall is funnyastro
mortal abyss
very
north relic
shockwave looks very young
sacred trellis
anymore bans since the 16k were banned yesterday
mortal abyss
Wasn’t it 18k
worn falcon
yes
raw ermine
Twitter
sacred trellis
prior ban they banned over 20% of the top 500 players
just crazy how bad cheating actually IS for overwatch but players will not admit it
kinda like a cook not wanting people to know about bugs in their kitchen
now FPS are facing AI hacks
reading and training based on a obs separate pc
wild cape
https://twitter.com/TempoZP/status/1430587586309984259
true
I regret not voting for him
I voted before he popped off hard in cc
sullen berry
I cannot believe it. I can NOT fucking believe it. I simply REFUSE to believe the absolute imcompetent, negligence, of actually not, for ANY of these people whatsoever, not voting for FUCKING JAKE. This guy doesn't get props by anyone, on no one's social media radar whatsoever. Everyone's talking about like "oh Fearless, ya know, Fearless he's-- poor Fearless !" think about Jake! He literally came back to the league as player coach at the start of this year, was the BEST Brig. He revolutionized the way you play GOATs, and set the guidelines for everyone else in the league for MONTHS! Or pretty much like half the season! And then he comes into the May Melee Qualifiers on and slams on main support, that actually turns the 
Houston Outlaws around and they win the series against the 
San Francisco Shock! How is NO ONE, on this PLANET talking about JAKE LYON as one of the most underrated players of the year! It's absolutely... HURTING MY SOUL!
Fixed it for you
sacred trellis
i just smoked an entire team as bastion, the importance of knowing your surroundings
they all had their backs to me as i snuck behind them
wild cape
I cannot believe it. I can NOT fucking believe it. I simply REFUSE to believe the absolute imcompetent, negligence, of actually not, for ANY of these people whatsoever, not voting for FUCKING DALTON. This guy doesn't get props by anyone, on no one's social media radar whatsoever. Everyone's talking about like "oh Leave, ya know, Leave he's-- poor Leave!" think about DALTON! He literally came into the league at the start of this year, was the BEST Tracer. He revolutionized the way you play her, and set the guidelines for everyone else in the league for MONTHS! Or pretty much like half the season! And then he comes into the game against Boston and plays the Tracer, and gets a double pulse bomb that wins them breadsticks AND sweeps the Boston Uprising! How is NO ONE, on this PLANET talking about DALTON as one of the most underrated players of the year! It's absolutely... HURTING MY SOUL!
tacit skiff
Even Shu said vote for Leave lmao
digital cloud
Maybe I am just a contrarian but I am not fucking voting for a dps
Kiss my ass dps mains, you are the reason my class is getting gutted for ow2
earnest leaf
Just normal dps bias for OW
worn falcon
yeh, dps get the flashy povs or highlights
meanwhile no one talks about the dps moira
ivory stag
cause she takes so much aim
fallen turret
tacit skiff
why
why are they throwing
they actually have a shot against the Uprising
Paris 3-0 Washington
Boston 3-2 Toronto
gg
little tusk
tepid ibex
fury, decay and mag are going to turn up
tawdry hamlet
Playoffs justice vs playoff Seoul, who will have more hopium fans
devout path
Playoffs justice vs playoff Seoul, who will have more hopium fans
Vs playoffs shock
tacit skiff
Playoffs justice vs playoff Seoul, who will have more hopium fans
both teams choke
digital cloud
philly chokes, seoul chokes
glads chokes
all the good teams choke except shock when they were gods
north relic
is jake a hs or flex dps
hollow bough
what the hell lol
hollow bough
Playoffs justice vs playoff Seoul, who will have more hopium fans
both teams choke and they both lose
hot onyx
Boston Paris and Spark make the playoffs I read the script
Lock in your free pick em points
north relic
when are play ins
tawdry hamlet
It's gonna be a meme playoffs like last year where it's one sided af like we're gonna get a spark upset and then lose 4-0 to Shanghai lmao
I just have a feeling some random apac team will have an actual run
earnest leaf
since we're on the s1 script
Some slightly above average team will come out and win it all
So houston or some shit
worn falcon
raltanta
worthy void
what is a double elim bracket
willow tartan
if you lose once u go to the losers bracket
if u lose in the losers bracket ur out
tawdry hamlet
next mesa
well are the asian teams going to hawaii
too
i just wanted some fuckin LAN action man
fuckkk
tawdry hamlet
Just seems dumb when college football games are going to start in a week or two with attendances of thousands and the MLB has allowed crowds again but whatever blizzards wants to do I guess. Not saying it isn't worth cancelling but just feels so pointless when 5 times the amount of people attending finals are going to be super spreading other events anyway
Not to mention
But anyway Hawaii finals is cool hopefully we get fun post season content
next mesa
I really dont think that its because of covid
tawdry hamlet
Like widow 1v1 rematch or some shit
next mesa
I think its more of visas issues because of covid
where asian/europe teams wont be able to have everyone in the us
next mesa
the games should still be fine but we are really really lacking crowds for the past 2 seasons
its a real tragedy honestly
hot onyx
Lmaooo
https://twitter.com/miumiu_42/status/1430684627170074625?s=19
Ah yes the scandal of tricking a civilian into buying a plane ticket from a company unaffiliated with the Overwatch League to make big bank
hot onyx
the games should still be fine but we are really really lacking crowds for the p...
Think about it in a way that once we get live matches back it’ll feel that much sweeter
hot onyx
Grand finals next year ofc
tawdry hamlet
Gator when he has to make a 15 hour flight to Hawaii for a 4th time this year
stuck radish
travelling to hawaii for free 4 times in a year isnt anything to complain about
tawdry hamlet
I don't think that "well Hawaii is fun so why complain" is the point he is trying to make lmao
https://twitter.com/Gator_OW/status/1430684087677816833?s=19
Twitter
It's really on owl for being big brained with visas
tawdry hamlet
Atlanta loves taking Ls that are out of their control this year sheesh
But I get why he's upset pelican is literally the difference between top 3 and top 5 for them. Just stupid there's no other way. Owl tbh needs to stop announcing shit they can't do, like pine, why announce him if you know the visa process is 5 months out, playoffs, why announce them when you know you can't realistically get visas etc.
Just tired of owl announcing shit that is ruined by the dog shit visa systems. Just don't announce things at this point lmaoo
raw ermine
tawdry hamlet
I wonder if Paris will have travel issues if they make it
earnest leaf
I'm amazed people are painting gator to be an asshole over this
next mesa
gator is 100% right lol
but on the other hand its not like the asian teams can travel either
at least the us teams are CAPABLE
tawdry hamlet
He wasn't descriptive in his tweet so people just assume he means being safe about covid is bad and not about integrity and shit
And since 5 teams travel instead of 3 it's still lots of risk lmao
A fully rejuvenated Shanghai playing from their team house vs Atlanta after a 15 hour flight without their star player 
Not that I'm an Atlanta fan or that Atlanta would win on even ground just kind of shit lmao
I don't disagree with the decision covid wise I just think it could have been handled better
tawdry hamlet
Losing Pelican is the main thing I'd be so annoyed by lmao, since it's like losing your star player right before the NBA finals type shit lmao
Like travel and other shit is whatever, but losing Pelican on good ping is tragic
next mesa
Imagine going to the finals this year and NBA just went oh yea giannis cant play
i guess middleton will have to do 🥴
nah nah more like suns without booker they didnt have a chance anyway
tawdry hamlet
And I don't even mean it from an na bias standpoint APAC has legitimately won against fully ready na teams in Hawaii before I just think it sucks this time around how it's playing out
digital cloud
make the apac teams go to Hawaii this time
tawdry hamlet
That's the whole issue tho iirc, apac visa issues
So they can't
But I'm not sure
digital cloud
apac bias reee
tawdry hamlet
Like I'm not stupid I don't genuinely think apac is only winning because of an advantage in travel and shit but the factors are so unfortunate 
Now we wait for the pelican 250 ping deadlift
next mesa
if apac could go to hawaii they should be able to go to like the "Mainland" lol
willow tartan
Like I'm not stupid I don't genuinely think apac is only winning because of an a...
they are going to fly to arlington for playoffs
gusty rampart
Luckily I didn't get tickets
willow tartan
of course, arlingotn is the wrosert country
gusty rampart
Arlington is a city in Texas
tawdry hamlet
willow tartan
i was confused when it was nero but then i remembered shock never made hawaii
next mesa
well
earnest leaf
I mean
next mesa
instead of having to be
earnest leaf
If what nero is saying is true
next mesa
2% better
next mesa
than your opponents
earnest leaf
Just means NA is still really good
earnest leaf
if we won two tourneys
willow tartan
blame the university of manoa 
next mesa
tfw you're braindead
willow tartan
wait hold on
willow tartan
i mean
theyre just gonna be like last year lol
online regional playoffs, top 4 go to hawaii right?
or are they flying all 5 US teams to hawaii
next mesa
it'd be 3 na 2 apac i think
willow tartan
to compete against the 4 apac teams in china korea
no its 8
cause play ins
play ins were gonna be online anyway
earnest leaf
tawdry hamlet
Hey
willow tartan
????
tawdry hamlet
Emergency roster philly hopium
willow tartan
playing from china to texas is kind of a lot of ping
tawdry hamlet
Either fuck Chengdu or Fuck Paris
willow tartan
I say fuck paris
north relic
Paris aren’t making it anyway
willow tartan
they werent gonna make it anyway
digital cloud
fuck paris
digital cloud
fuck paris anyway
north relic
Chengdu are guaranteed play offs anyway
earnest leaf
and go vs houston, there is a chance
wild cape
paris isn't making playoffs
very true
willow tartan
Wait so were Shanghai/Seoul/Philly/Hangzhou able to go to texas? It was only Chengdu and Paris?
earnest leaf
Paris
digital cloud
probably paris
earnest leaf
Paris is predictable
willow tartan
paris is consistently mediocre
earnest leaf
Defiant have an x factor that they could hit their stride in some meta and start doing super well
they have the individual talent to do so
tawdry hamlet
I'm just glad some people are looking at it as more than "you're mad they're keeping people safe wtf you're awful 😡" lens since it's more than that
willow tartan
Aspire 
earnest leaf
I'm just glad some people are looking at it as more than "you're mad they're kee...
Gator is mad because his team endangers themselves by travelling funny enough
wild cape
Twitter
willow tartan
I'm just glad some people are looking at it as more than "you're mad they're kee...
what more is there to it lol? conspiracy theory to not let pelican play or something?
wild cape
yikes
north relic
Did season 1 have a Roty
willow tartan
that's just how it is. in no universe does OWL not want to host live events cause that shit brings caaash
its not like they are trying to fk ppl over they just cant get it to work
earnest leaf
OWL doing the bare minimum 🙂
tawdry hamlet
What is new 
willow tartan
What else can they do?...
next mesa
I think justice has more of that X factor
willow tartan
You'll need to talk to the US government, SK government and Chinese government if you want to move 'em to one place.
worn falcon
Get rona and making it worse for actiblizz
next mesa
Did season 1 have a Roty
no
willow tartan
Get all the work visas for all players.
It's not something the league has power to do.
tawdry hamlet
The ideal scenario would be, don't announce things before you have visas ready and come to an even compromise rather than one that obliterates certain teams chances of a good performance omegalul.
worn falcon
Iirc even LCS was cancelled
willow tartan
The ideal scenario would be, don't announce things before you have visas ready a...
Unless OWL builds an island near KR/CN and then makes it US territory I don't see how much better they can do than Hawaii.
wild cape
it's not that im sad i dont get to go to a live event or watch one, it's because the big advantage apac has and i've heard hawaii has a shit setup too
tawdry hamlet
Whole thing is just a bruh moment. I want an unmolested owl finals just once please 🥺
wild cape
Whole thing is just a bruh moment. I want an unmolested owl finals just once ple...
that's a strong word
tawdry hamlet
Molested can mean messed with it isn't just for sexual purposes lmaoo
wild cape
ok good
willow tartan
I get that it sucks but I don't see what the fuck people are getting mad about. You can't control a pandemic, that's just life.
next mesa
just wanted LAN finals for this shitty year
wild cape
it sounds sketch nowadays
willow tartan
It feels like people get outraged just for the sake of getting outraged.
next mesa
2 much to ask 😔 😭
wild cape
...a lot of things do
worn falcon
The ideal scenario would be, don't announce things before you have visas ready a...
Many events where waiting for mid 2021 for doing stuff, even concerts, few of them were cancelled and moved to next year. Almost wvery company jumped on that, then people happened
digital cloud
pine irrelevant
wild cape
wait so was texas going to be like a live in person event or was it just gonna be lan
willow tartan
Live.
digital cloud
me too bro
tawdry hamlet
Anyway, see y'all at the Chengdu Shanghai grand finals kek
digital cloud
we got fucked over
wild cape
im sad now
willow tartan
Blame the U.S government for slowing down vaccination rates
wild cape
that way I don't have to take responsibility
based
earnest leaf
Blame the U.S government for slowing down vaccination rates
nah it's on the people who refuse to take it
tawdry hamlet
Blame every world government for not taking shit seriously in the first place leading to this shit compounded by the spread of misinformation by figures with big platforms yeehaw
trail perch
Grike it’s all ur fault
digital cloud
nuh uh
willow tartan
nah it's on the people who refuse to take it
It's on the government for not making it mandatory for people to take it. Can't let dumb people fuck your country over.
earnest leaf
It's on the government for not making it mandatory for people to take it. Can't ...
At a federal level I don't think they are allowed to, but it's being mandated a lot more now
tawdry hamlet
Can't make it mandatory in a country where half the people own weapons and are brain dead when it comes to civil liberties unfortunately
wild cape
It's on the government for not making it mandatory for people to take it. Can't ...
i don't think that's legal
wild cape
you can't mandate things unless you're a state government
digital cloud
silly european
tawdry hamlet
Americans don't have the obedience factor of asian island nations for some dumb reason. Wish everyone would just stfu like they did in Taiwan
willow tartan
CDL managed to get a LAN event but 100% of their teams are in NA lol
digital cloud
maybe because we broke off from the motherland idk
worn falcon
digital cloud
something something revolutionary war something something
next mesa
Americans don't have the obedience factor of asian island nations for some dumb ...
taiwan 0 cases today
we live on a super fucking tiny island with more than 60% of canada's population btw
tawdry hamlet
Muh personal freedoms are more important gets in car that is 500 times more likely to kill you than covid vaccine
willow tartan
Canada has like 3 people per square kilometre.
shadow dagger
Muh personal freedoms are more important *gets in car that is 500 times more lik...
KKonaW
wild cape
Muh personal freedoms are more important *gets in car that is 500 times more lik...
yeehaw
willow tartan
Muh personal freedoms are more important *gets in car that is 500 times more lik...
It's a lot more by the way.
next mesa
Canada has like 3 people per square kilometre.
still have thousands of cases
willow tartan
Like orders of magnitude more.
tawdry hamlet
It's a lot more by the way.
Exactly my point lmao
Can't believe anti vaxx movement has managed to gain genuine traction outside of measles outbreaks at their kids school because of them
So sad
digital cloud
as much as it pains me how dumb people can be, civil liberties are still important and there needs to be less demonization and more subtle psychology in regards to the vaccine
wild cape
god im so sad i was conveniently saving money too i could've bought my ticket and shit
digital cloud
we could be doing some real freudian shit
tawdry hamlet
Demonizing someone who is too brain dead to recognize blatant misinformation about a vaccine is fine by me. Literally modern day kid that annoys the teacher and makes the class stay longer
shadow dagger
Demonizing someone who is too brain dead to recognize blatant misinformation abo...
FR LOL
digital cloud
you may say it is fine, but if you want them to actually do it then demonizing won't work
willow tartan
How have the people who have refused to take the vaccine not died yet? Covid taking its sweet time.
shadow dagger
look
digital cloud
because covid doesn't kill most people
if it was a worse pandemic it might actually have a bit less resistance
maybe
willow tartan
you know what actually
shadow dagger
there is one anti vaxxer among us
digital cloud
I vaxxed if you mean me
willow tartan
if covid was deadlier then the pandemic wouldve ended sooner and it wouldve caused less dramatic issues to the world
tawdry hamlet
Literally stupid that they have decided it hasn't killed enough people to warrant a vaccination. I'll get vaccinated when that .02 turns into .1 KKona
Anyway sucks about finals I just want to enjoy owl
willow tartan
Maybe more people would get vaccinated if covid turned ppl into zombies.
That would've been cool.
digital cloud
no way dude
wild cape
https://twitter.com/ow_nero/status/1430687870579183619 nero is failing the try not to be based challenge
Twitter
digital cloud
imagine how much fun the us would have with zombies
tawdry hamlet
So preds on the final 4 teams in playoffs?
digital cloud
Houston hopium
wild cape
well it depends how the bracket is organized
shadow dagger
depends on how reign do
earnest leaf
How have the people who have refused to take the vaccine not died yet? Covid tak...
Large majority of those in the ICU are unvaccinated atm, it's going pretty quick
tawdry hamlet
I have Gladiators Atlanta Chengdu Shanghai at this point but Reign will probably change to Dallas given the situation
willow tartan
shock 3peat btw
wild cape
shock 3peat btw
shadow dagger
I have Gladiators Atlanta Chengdu Shanghai at this point but Reign will probably...
could go either way on reign/dallas i think
tawdry hamlet
Literally watched a dude on his death bed debate lording about the vaccine yesterday
Depends on if Dallas are not trying or being out played
shadow dagger
yea
wild cape
dallas has atlanta's number
willow tartan
You guys are forgetting the BS playoffs patch.
wild cape
I really doubt atlanta can pull off a win like that
willow tartan
We don't know yet and it could literally be any team in the league that wins this season
wild cape
You guys are forgetting the BS playoffs patch.
roadhog buffs PLEASE
that would be funny as hell if roadhog suddenly becomes the meta
tawdry hamlet
Yeah we haven't even seen the playoffs patch yet and we're outraged omegalul. But I wouldn't he surprised if LAG wins they played so clean in the finals.
In before random double sniper meta that ruins Dallas
willow tartan
triple tracer meta
wild cape
ah yes
digital cloud
why they changing it
willow tartan
we dont know yet
wild cape
balanced overwatch
digital cloud
no for real though
willow tartan
every year blizzard likes to fuck with the playoffs patch and then rebalance it straight after
digital cloud
it is pretty fucking balanced
wild cape
every year blizzard likes to fuck with the playoffs patch and then rebalance it ...
it's pretty funny
digital cloud
they do don't they
willow tartan
its pretty ruining the competitive integrity of the sport
digital cloud
I tried to suppress those memories
wild cape
i uh
started watching OWL at the beginning of this season so i wouldn't know
but it sounds funny as hell
wild cape
praying for roadhog buffs
digital cloud
roadhog never gonna be meta gain
wild cape
i hope he becomes meta
digital cloud
I do too actually
wild cape
it gives my idiot teammates an excuse when they instantly lock roadhog
digital cloud
but he is so badly designed
I don't know that he ever will be with how advanced the game is now
unless they buff him in really dumb ways
tawdry hamlet
If they mess with any tanks before playoffs I'll die inside
Literally every tank except zarya is viable rn
I meant ball
My brain is dead
I meant hog wtf
digital cloud
zarya is sort of meh though rn right
wild cape
this is why we need hog buffs
tawdry hamlet
She is but Chengdu made her work a lot recently same with philly, though yeah dva is typically just better
wild cape
piggy with sig might be good though
houston hopium gang
tawdry hamlet
Atlanta with Lucio unbanned 
digital cloud
though of course coach jake just gonna put in coach jake and lose
wild cape
lucio being unbanned is good
it means we'll see more joobi likely
who is better than jake on support
tawdry hamlet
Jake when he off roles onto main support and is still better than the bottom half of the league supports
digital cloud
eh, I would say like the bottom four or so
he is . . . ok
but joobi really should be in
they need to figure out joobi's weaknesses or whatever and fix that shit fast
wild cape
joobi goes hard
digital cloud
joobi legit has a top 5 lucio
wild cape
^
digital cloud
surely he can get his brig and mercy up
wild cape
i think he has more than just lucio
but coach jake wanted an excuse to put coach jake in the game
wild cape
no
im think flex/main support is determined by how much heals they pump out and how good they are at dealing damage
idk i never understood it for supports
tawdry hamlet
No Jake just has more experience and probably slotted in better in scrims with Lucio banned I doubt he literally just wanted to play lmao. Especially since Jake outside of overwatch is one of the most wholesome players
wild cape
i get the tank thing but not supports
frank granite
the terms are very outdated
wild cape
the terms are very outdated
that's good to know because they're confusing as hell
apparently ball is a main tank??????
i thought it was for tanks that had shields
digital cloud
no he is an off tank
tacit skiff
Valentine #1 Junkrat player in the June Joust
digital cloud
but people use him in place of a mt
wild cape
no he is an off tank
i heard a commentator say he was a main tank lmao
wild cape
but people use him in place of a mt
ah.
tawdry hamlet
Ball is a main tank, he is played by main tank players and plays the role of the main tank in the comp, much like how last finals hog was a main tank in those comps even tho he's not like explicitly a main tank. Kind of like how Lucio is a main healer when his kit would make you think he's an off healer
wild cape
Ball is a main tank, he is played by main tank players and plays the role of the...
sheesh
digital cloud
ball is an off tank, he is played as a main tank
wild cape
this is confusing
frank granite
ball is a main tank
digital cloud
off tank
earnest leaf
Ball is, and always has been a main tank
He functions as a primary spacemaker for a team
Which is what a MT does
tawdry hamlet
According to google it says
He is a main tank yes. Unlike popular belief The Job of a main tank is to make space not take a ton of fire and be an ult battery (that's ironicly the off-tank's job) and set up the field for the dps. He's an off-tank that can be a main tank in some dive comps
frank granite
yea monkey isnt a main tank because he makes blue stuff with an ability, he makes space, and a lot of it
digital cloud
dva and hog also exist to make space
tanks pretty much are space takers by default
tawdry hamlet
Sigma makes space like a god
digital cloud
sigma too
tawdry hamlet
Sigma a god character
earnest leaf
No, hog and dva are there to provide pressure via offangles and supporting the main tank
Main tanks are the primary people pushing in and setting up their team
digital cloud
"pressure" is the same as making space
earnest leaf
Such as rein shielding his team in
Ball slamming or rolling in
Winston jumping in
digital cloud
you want to force people off of whatever they are doing
frank granite
generally main tanks wil make space with their physical presence, unlike a widow making space by holding angles
every character in the game can make space
tawdry hamlet
Ball and Lucio are so good at playmaking 😎
earnest leaf
It's weird with ball because his space creation is very unique compared to the original MT cast
digital cloud
boops
tawdry hamlet
Ball when he knocks an entire team off the high ground and then slams so they are bounced above the orisa shield and headshot
Ez
Piledrive sets up your team so good it's such a fun ability
vagrant cargo
No, hog and dva are there to provide pressure via offangles and supporting the m...
Idk where u get the energy for those debates
Ppl arguing tvis just dont understand ow i think lmaoo
earnest leaf
Because MT is my main role so I've gone through this 5000 times
wild cape
im an off tank main
wild cape
i get to do my own thing whenever i play d.va, hog, or sigma
(unless sigma is considered a main tank which is what I assume but he plays like an off tank imo)
vagrant cargo
Sigma is a OT
wild cape
good to know
vagrant cargo
OTs are as flameknight said Tanks that Apply pressure via offangles
wild cape
yeah that's definitely sigma
vagrant cargo
And have abilities that are direct damage deniers
sullen berry
Booping people, slamming someone,
Just from the words you describe it the fundamentals between Winston and ball are the same
wild cape
also since this is #esports-discussion
sullen berry
Just a different philosophy
vagrant cargo
Just from the words you describe it the fundamentals between Winston and ball ar...
They are
Also anyways
wild cape
why does no one ever talk about that first dallas vs. houston game where piggy sniped the fuck out of one of them with a halt + rock combo
vagrant cargo
EU>NA
wild cape
is halt + rock kills a normal thing?
vagrant cargo
Yeah
earnest leaf
Ball is more disruption based for space making, and winston is more isolation based via bubble for making space
vagrant cargo
Halt Rock is common
vagrant cargo
Doha still got smoked
wild cape
i wish houston could still beat dallas 😔
vagrant cargo
Nah
vale garnet
vagrant cargo
Fuck Houston
wild cape
houston hopium
vagrant cargo
Their Fans blaming coaches when coachinh is the only reason they arent bad is so funny
wild cape
Fuck Houston
wild cape
Their Fans blaming coaches when coachinh is the only reason they arent bad is so...
that's not true
like honest to god that's not true
the coaching is very inconsistent
vagrant cargo
Jjangu piggy were insanely mediocre in tier 2, crimzo is still mid, danteh was a tracer sombra 2 trick, happy was on a decline and joobi was pretty shit
wild cape
they either
- stay with the same comp the entire time and get smoked
- or switch it like crazy and get smoked
wild cape
Jjangu piggy were insanely mediocre in tier 2, crimzo is still mid, danteh was a...
crimzo is mid?????
vagrant cargo
Good coaching can only get u so far
wild cape
???
wild cape
crimzo is nuts
earnest leaf
I'd say crimzo is a bit above average
wild cape
i do agree with the danteh and happy thing tho