esports-discussion

[worn falcon]

Meanwhile reinforce torn between lip and leave

[willow tartan]

its obviously lip

[tiny pollen]

lip deserves it but wont get it

[willow tartan]

true

[tiny pollen]

china too large

and ppl really out here saying shu mvp lmao

[willow tartan]

LIP > Leave > Fearless

[next mesa]

Leave

[noble nexus]

shu.

:)

[tiny pollen]

shu boosted by space and kevster

[tepid ibex]

???

[noble nexus]

shu won the finals and the shock game

[tepid ibex]

Shu isn’t boosted

[noble nexus]

you're just braindead

it's ok

[tiny pollen]

space won those lmao

space is so good

[tepid ibex]

But theirs better players??

Shu>Skewed>Space

[tiny pollen]

CAP

[tepid ibex]

Space is good but shu just better

Glads wouldn’t have won the chengdu game if it weren’t the shu

[tiny pollen]

?????????

[tepid ibex]

If he didn’t get a 4k 2nd point havana chengdu would’ve won

[tiny pollen]

if no space they get rolled lmao

[tepid ibex]

Nah

Theirs better OT’s than space

Whereas shu is a top 5 flex support

[tiny pollen]

that doesnt qualify for mvp tho

[tepid ibex]

The only flex supports better than him are like Izayaki, Alarm and Fielder

[tepid ibex]

He’s done it multiple times

He’s a really good player

And comes in clutch

[noble nexus]

I actually can't believe anyone thinks space carried that game

[tepid ibex]

He was good but didn’t carry

[noble nexus]

they didn't even have a carry performance

other than shu saving the match

[tepid ibex]

Shu, Birdring and Kevster fucked hard

[noble nexus]

yeah and muze did his shit

[north relic]

So did dpei pass his coaching test with glads winning

[noble nexus]

skewed kept showing why he's the #1 brig

I fucking hope he didn't

if dpei thinks that validates him wasting 3 seasons of good rosters

I might cry

[willow tartan]

No i actually became an OWL coach and did as suggested, coaching glads

that finals was only experimental test for me

[noble nexus]

ah I see

glad you took my suggestion

[plush grail]

https://tenor.com/view/bow-gif-9900671

[nocturne yacht]

Are playins and playoffs bo3?

[willow tartan]

neither are bo3

no ow game is bo3

play ins is single elim bo5

playoffs is double elim bo5

grand finals is bo7

[worn falcon]

And life bo1

[willow tartan]

wait what was the gray owl skin for this stage?

hanzo?

cause i dont have it still

[gusty rampart]

Zenyatta

I got it

Sucks to suck

[willow tartan]

nah i coudlve sworn it was hanzo

[vagrant cargo]

ZP said Houston offered more money than dallas

For fearless

[willow tartan]

the only reason fearless left dragons was to play with his old teammates

[gusty rampart]

It's Zen

I promise you

@willow tartan

[willow tartan]

wait

why was the skin different from the pickems statue

???

i thought they were the same...

my brain smart

[plush grail]

no

ur dumb

[mortal cipher]

it was only the same for the epik skins and the owl skins were different

[wintry kraken]

Encore NA production 😄

[mortal cipher]

was it bad originally

[wintry kraken]

no

[mortal cipher]

ah

also did we ever see the winner of the mvp koth

[wintry kraken]

serious question - if they do the stream in slo-mo, does that give us twice the tokens ? 😄

[next mesa]

the encore stream is fucked LOL

[mortal cipher]

it lasts longer ig

[safe marsh]

i hope i still get my tokens

impossible to get 45 more but still

[mortal cipher]

i have way too much

[wintry kraken]

for the bastion ?

[safe marsh]

nah i dont play that shit hero

xd

[wintry kraken]

cause the finals will still give tokens, so you will for sure get 45 more tokens

[mortal cipher]

fuk bastion

[wintry kraken]

that is just 9 hours

[safe marsh]

cool stuff

i got the goats brig at least

[wintry kraken]

i mean, we still have 2 weekends with games, plus one weekend with finals

[mortal cipher]

i have jjonak zen only so far

so now i have owl and mvp zen

[wintry kraken]

one week with 6 games, one week with 13 games, one week with 1 game

[mortal cipher]

huh

ooh

[wintry kraken]

so probably can get even another 200 tokens before season ends

[mortal cipher]

yeah

how much tokens do you have

[wintry kraken]

which account 😄

[mortal cipher]

ig youe normal

[wintry kraken]

the lowest one has 110 and is missing 2 of the available skins (doomfist and winston). the others have ~450 and 600+ tokens, and have all the skins

[mortal cipher]

my main account has like 845 since i bought the zen skin

so it was up 1045+

[next mesa]

mine has 470 i bought seoul ana skin baby

[mortal cipher]

honestly the seoul skins are nice

only owl skin i have is shanghai genji

[wintry kraken]

by "all skins" i meant all available this season after season started. My country had no way to get tokens before this season outside of buying them, which i refuse to do

[mortal cipher]

ah

wot country

last year you had to watch on website

[north relic]

Will custa vod review talent takedown

[wintry kraken]

any country outside of the few they had.

they literally excluded majority of the world before this season

[mortal cipher]

i dont which countries they had

[mortal cipher]

prob

[wintry kraken]

in 2020 it was:
3. ELIGIBILITY: The Promotion is open and offered to legal residents of Argentina, Australia, Austria, Belgium,
Brazil, Canada, Chile, Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, Mexico, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Poland,
Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Taiwan, Thailand, United Kingdom and United
States. For Argentina, this promotion should be considered as temporary rules to grant benefits (the Tokens) for
duly registered players in accordance with these Rules.

[mortal cipher]

so

[wintry kraken]

in 2021 they changed it to:
3. ELIGIBILITY: The Promotion is open and offered to legal residents of most countries. Legal residents of Cuba,
Iran, the Democratic People’s Republic of Korea, Sudan, Crimea, and Syria, and other countries where restricted or
prohibited by law are not eligible for the Promotion. Legal residents of the People’s Republic of China (which for
the purposes of these rules, excludes Hong Kong, Macau and Taiwan) are also not eligible for the Promotion. For
Argentina, this promotion should be considered as temporary rules to grant benefits (the Spray) for duly registered
players in accordance with these Rules

[mortal cipher]

so in that case

[wintry kraken]

so they had 25 countries in 2020, they have nearly all minus few in 2021

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[next mesa]

danny's a gamer

[mortal cipher]

like 3 as it says of wot you posted

[wintry kraken]

i seen this part at night, Danny shows his gold rank tho 😄

here we go @ Danny 😄

[wintry kraken]

SaltySoe 😄

[safe marsh]

League tokens are too expensive to buy

[fast tusk]

Yea I really underestimated glads but thet won the tournament so i swallow my words greatly

[ivory stag]

aside from standings and pwer rankings is there a way to see the standings for specific heros in owl?

[mortal cipher]

how much are owl tokens

[mortal cipher]

we all did

[next mesa]

I think this also indicates that

Shock is in a better place than we thought

might be like third best league in the league this tourney

[vagrant cargo]

Wym

Like statwise?

[vagrant cargo]

Who is we mf

[mortal cipher]

most everyone underestimated glads

[ivory stag]

like if i wanted to input a hero say idk rein or ball or brig and it shows the stats and who ranks the highest to lowest on that said hero for the overall season so far

[fast tusk]

literally everyone who didnt think glads were gonna win

[mortal cipher]

exactly

i literally had apac beating na originally anyway

[fast tusk]

i had glads coming in last place

[mortal cipher]

same

i had atl beating them then losing to seoul and hunters winning 4-3

[fast tusk]

literally my predictions

[vagrant cargo]

Dash reset

[ivory stag]

where is that located

[mortal cipher]

that was literally mine

[vagrant cargo]

Idk why ppl thought thar when glads looked the best out of any team in play ins

Even nohill predded glads

[vagrant cargo]

Its a different site

dashreset Insert player name and u get to the Player profile

[mortal cipher]

because glads track record isnt the best and it was a wot seemed to be a reasonable pred

[vagrant cargo]

For example dashreset Fleta

[vagrant cargo]

Their track record when they choked sure

But they showed vs shock that they fixed that

[mortal cipher]

yeah and chungdu looked like the better bet

[fast tusk]

even atlanta looked better then glads

[nocturne yacht]

So play ins is also bo5? Only regular szn is bo3?

[mortal cipher]

with pelican they wouldve won

[vagrant cargo]

They deffo didnt in play ins

And glads only lost becazse they played mirror and moth

[mortal cipher]

atlanta arent in play ins tho

[nocturne yacht]

I’m confused

[vagrant cargo]

They were

they were in the Same play ins as glads

[fast tusk]

but they arent

[mortal cipher]

were

[vagrant cargo]

Faced a weak team

Yes im talking abt cc playins

[nocturne yacht]

For a team to win in play ins, how many maps do they need to win

I’m talking post szn

[mortal cipher]

i believe 3

[vagrant cargo]

Glads looled the best in cc play ins

[mortal cipher]

as usual

[vagrant cargo]

By far

[nocturne yacht]

Okay so it’s bo3

[vagrant cargo]

In NA

[nocturne yacht]

Got it

[vagrant cargo]

While Chengdu looked good but also faced weak teams

[mortal cipher]

atlanta was 4-nil going in

[next mesa]

idk about by far because it's easier to look good when you play weaker teams

also whens nohill getting in owl hello hello

[vagrant cargo]

Atlanta also looked way worse w out pelican and barely beat a glads with mirror

Atlanta struggled vs Toronto lolz

[next mesa]

the heesu show

[mortal cipher]

yeah without pelican its hard but heesu is insane

[vagrant cargo]

Their macro was also just worse

[mortal cipher]

but the only significant win they got was against houston

[vagrant cargo]

They legit struggled vs a team with a wintrading backline

[mortal cipher]

because their team member was in the bloody hospital

[vagrant cargo]

Edison did good that series

[nocturne yacht]

Toronto’s back line is mediocre but it’s not that bad Tf

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[vagrant cargo]

Atlanra macro etc just wasnt top tier

[vagrant cargo]

ASJ is

[next mesa]

toronto's backline is pretty bad

[mortal cipher]

heesu was the only reason it went to map 5

[vagrant cargo]

ASJ is genuinly awful imo and lastro sux besides mechanics

[mortal cipher]

or one of them

[vagrant cargo]

Sado pounded as well

[mortal cipher]

it was mainly heesu naist aspire and sado

[nocturne yacht]

If Toronto can perform like this in play ins they can do well

[vagrant cargo]

Yeah

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[nocturne yacht]

So basically the tank and DPS line

[next mesa]

is toronto's problem online backlline

[nocturne yacht]

Well one tank

[mortal cipher]

they either play boston or paris and those are prtty easy wons

[next mesa]

only*

[fast tusk]

theyll still to every top team in the league tho

[mortal cipher]

yep support are struggle

[nocturne yacht]

Iswtg if we see another tor V paris

Ima mald

[mortal cipher]

washington pick par or boston and then defiant play the other

so its boston or paris and paris has lost to defiant a plenty

[mortal abyss]

Michelle isn’t great on zarya imo

[nocturne yacht]

My man was hitting the air wdym

[mortal cipher]

yeah michelle zarya is uhh

[nocturne yacht]

He graved gravity

[mortal abyss]

Lmao

[mortal cipher]

he tried to grav the pharah

good attempt but still

[nocturne yacht]

It looked like a smart move but cmon now

It’s naga

Amaizng Pharah

[mortal cipher]

yeah hes not going to get caught

one of the top pharahs

also whos the best pharah

[vagrant cargo]

Jinmu

[nocturne yacht]

So ig we can say paris rely on Pharah?

[mortal cipher]

basically

[nocturne yacht]

Easily

[mortal cipher]

but even with pharah they lost to tornoto

[vagrant cargo]

Paris need a.new MT

Daan is meh

He drags them down quite a bit

[mortal cipher]

hes ok but

[nocturne yacht]

Toronto did good it’s not like Toronto suck doe

[nocturne yacht]

Yeah

They do

Daan my man is uhhh

[mortal cipher]

im not saying they do im saying they were playing pharah and still lost

[nocturne yacht]

But now somethings changed

No more hero bans

So

[mortal cipher]

true

so hows it going to go

[nocturne yacht]

We don’t know how well teams will do bc of it

Is Naga good on echo?

[mortal cipher]

echo is free now

[mortal cipher]

huh

[nocturne yacht]

Typo

I corrected it

[mortal cipher]

i think so

i forgot

[nocturne yacht]

Yeah I haven’t seen it or I don’t remember

[mortal cipher]

i think onigod is

maybe

i forgot how good paris is on echo

[nocturne yacht]

Well this is gonna be the last amazing szn of OWL, next year is gonna be weird bc of all the retirements that are gonna come and OW2

[true osprey]

Naga is great at echo

[mortal cipher]

we dont know if ow2 comes out

but there may be some major retirements

or trades

[nocturne yacht]

OWL wanna play on OW2 next szn

[true osprey]

There will probably be a lot of retirements

[mortal cipher]

i hope

prob

[nocturne yacht]

Super is most likely gonna

His contract ends

[mortal cipher]

this is his last szn with the shock

[nocturne yacht]

And when they signed him it said “one last ride”

I’m ngl

Benbeast might get picked up

If super goes

[mortal cipher]

where was benbeast on

[nocturne yacht]

I don’t remember

It’s been a while

[mortal cipher]

ah

[nocturne yacht]

Paris? I’m not sure lol

Or Boston

I’m jus guessing

[true osprey]

He was on paris

[mortal cipher]

ah

[true osprey]

He was with yab in contenders this year along with boombox and nicogdh and kruise

[mortal cipher]

noice

[feral zodiac]

I don't think super is retiring

At all

Pretty sure he's said on a few occasions that he doesn't want to retire

[mortal cipher]

yeah

but for shock this is his last time

[feral zodiac]

Yeah

[mortal cipher]

so maybe another team

like houston maybe

idbk

[feral zodiac]

I think if oge doesn't get sorted out

He could go to mayhem

[mortal cipher]

maybe

i do remember he said hes been offered to houston boston and lag i think

i remember houston specifically

[feral zodiac]

It will feel very very weird to see super not on shock

[mortal cipher]

the other two not sure about

oh for real

[feral zodiac]

It's like not seeing jjonak on nyxl

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[feral zodiac]

Or carpe not on fusion

[mortal cipher]

its going to be weird seeing pine on dallas tho

wasnt he always on nyxl

[feral zodiac]

Ye

[mortal cipher]

so same instance

[feral zodiac]

Do you think logix retires this season

[mortal cipher]

i believe the bread bowl was his last game

iirc

[gusty rampart]

No way

Super ain't gonna retire anytime soon

[nocturne yacht]

It’s not “no way” it’s very possible..

[gusty rampart]

It's about the same chance as anyone else

He's said on stream he wants to continue

[wild cape]

oh god please no

[gusty rampart]

Philly maybe

If Philly is NA

But I bet he's staying on Shock

[next mesa]

dont think super will leave shock

extremely unlikely

especially if they don't get the 3peat

[mortal cipher]

why not

[tribal canopy]

He said he will never leave shock didnt he

[mortal cipher]

not sure

[gusty rampart]

When OWL is gone he'll be done

He's gotta be one of the few players to be there since s1 and remain on the same team

JJoNak, Poko, and Carpe is his only competition

[mortal cipher]

diem???

wasnt he always on shanghai before

[gusty rampart]

Diem retired

[mortal cipher]

yea ik

but wasnt he always on shanghai

[gusty rampart]

That means he isn't on the same team because he isn't on a team

Probably yea

[mortal cipher]

he was on 0-42

[gusty rampart]

Chad shit right there

[mortal cipher]

and beat the shock in stage iii

diem widow my goodness

[gusty rampart]

One of the Widow legends

[mortal cipher]

fr

i found out carpe and diem named themselves that because of carpe diem

[gusty rampart]

Yeah I've always known that

[mortal cipher]

yeah

it was awhile back when i found out

[gusty rampart]

I thought they were on the same team and that's why they did it

[mortal cipher]

forgot when tho

they were pre owl

[next mesa]

they were never on the same team

online friends though

[mortal cipher]

even pre owl

[next mesa]

yeah in apex they were on different teams as well

[mortal cipher]

ah i see

[stuck radish]

https://twitter.com/SFShock/status/1332426889164509184

San Francisco Shock (@SFShock)

He's back.

@super_OW rejoins the Shock in 2021 to hunt the #3peat in one last dance. https://t.co/iYvFyzIbyE

Retweets

393

Likes

5630

Twitter · Nov 27, 2020, 8:51 PM

[mortal cipher]

see

[stuck radish]

that tweet makes me think this is his last year on shock

or in OWL in general

[mortal cipher]

most likely

[stuck radish]

he could just become a content creator

[mortal cipher]

or caster

[tacit skiff]

Super's a great content creator

player?

eh

[north relic]

content creator likely

caster would be fun to see though

[mortal cipher]

true

i mean dogman retired

[tacit skiff]

if Super was a caster, it'd be hectic

[mortal cipher]

maybe

[feral zodiac]

I am 99% sure it is not his last year in owl

[mortal cipher]

maybe for shock but not his last year yet

[feral zodiac]

Yeah

[north relic]

didnt he say there were like 5 teams that offered him

[mortal cipher]

yeah

i remember houston was one

[north relic]

well houston was just spewing out money

[mortal cipher]

ig

[north relic]

they looked for shu moth fearless

offered all of them

[mortal cipher]

ah

where was shu before glads

[north relic]

charge

[mortal cipher]

ah

was that last year

[north relic]

yes

charge was #2 apac

[mortal cipher]

yeah

so last year it was shanghai
charge

but seoul made it to the finals

[north relic]

yea

because of hog

[mortal cipher]

right

hog meta

[next mesa]

seoul built different

[mortal cipher]

ig

[worn falcon]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/678375506571427841/879075990654033930/20210822_115324.jpg?width=832&height=468

[mortal cipher]

now its colour rankings

[wild cape]

that meme is great

[mortal cipher]

fr

everyone is good except lav

[shadow dagger]

LOL

[keen abyss]

is there no replay viewer for stage playoffs

[mortal cipher]

well its on rn

[keen abyss]

i wanted to see shu's play from his perspective

[mortal cipher]

ah nei sadly

maybe when custa does his vod review

there is a channel that does a pov for a certain player in a game

[mortal abyss]

It’ll come on Monday

[noble nexus]

yeah they add the vods in game after a few days

[tacit skiff]

I'm concerned Leave being MVP is endangered after that loss to the Glads :(

[noble nexus]

it definitely isn't

recency bias might get shu some more votes

but Leave 100% gets it I reckon

[keen abyss]

shu won the title for glads

he clutched up against shock

[noble nexus]

absolutely

[keen abyss]

he clutched up against chengdu

[tacit skiff]

idk I feel like the Chengdu hype has died down significantly after that loss

I've been seeing more people campaigning for Shu than Leave recently

[keen abyss]

i've been campaigning for shu since before the tournament

[noble nexus]

^

[keen abyss]

but that's probably because i have always been a glads fan

[tacit skiff]

I voted Leave day one.

I was rooting for Chengdu in the Summer Showdown

[keen abyss]

if mvp skins come back i'd rather see a bap skin than a tracer skin anyways

[noble nexus]

I predded shu as my mvp coming into the season lol

[keen abyss]

or whatever leave would get

[mortal cipher]

leave was only a thought for mvp this stage

[tacit skiff]

Wait, so NA has won two tournies, and APAC has won two tournies.
So the Grand Finals will be like the ultimate tiebreaker.

[mortal cipher]

yeah

and apac is one team

[tacit skiff]

It's really sad to know that there's only so many owl games left this season.

[mortal cipher]

one apac team one two tourneys tho

[tacit skiff]

I really missed the entire encore :(
I was supposed to get 300 tokens today

[keen abyss]

mine wasn't connected

[tacit skiff]

Congrats to the Gladiators for doing something the Shock have struggled to do all season.

[mortal cipher]

fr

they got a win

[tacit skiff]

Can't wait for the Shock to lose to Boston

[mortal cipher]

imagine if that happens

theyd have to get through either washington or toronto first

[tacit skiff]

So... easy games lmao

[mortal cipher]

depends

imo defiant is harder than justic

[tacit skiff]

Washington is a team that heavily underperformed this season and deals with morale problems, and Toronto is a pushover if Aspire doesn't do anything.

Knock over Aspire, and the King is easy pickings.

Then, all Boston would have to do is battle the Shock. We've already taken a map off them before, I bet we could take three more :)

[mortal cipher]

aspire isnt the only good player

[tacit skiff]

We almost won Lijang too, but a single Brig shield protected three people from Punk's bomb

nerf brig btw

[mortal cipher]

yeah that was weird

and inane

[mortal cipher]

ooof

[willow tartan]

wtf call of duty league also uses owl music

or the other way around

[noble nexus]

isn't the owl music named after it's maps? lol

or like remixes of map music

[willow tartan]

not all of them

[noble nexus]

ah

[willow tartan]

owl has like 90 tracks

[noble nexus]

yeah idk I never really payed attention to the music

[sullen berry]

Perhaps this is the rivalry I'm really going to look forward to in NA

https://fxtwitter.com/jesskkachan/status/1427695937137283072?s=19

[noble nexus]

from teammates to enemies

very good storyline

now we just need the boxing match

[tawdry hamlet]

ok but to be fair, the nano blade comp let them beat both nyxl and houston

teams who actually are better than the bottom

genji just a big gamble of putting all the eggs in your dps popping off

also the talent takedown trash talk videos were so good lmao

[next mesa]

make yo predictions yall

[deep otter]

when does owl start again?\

[next mesa]

in like 2 weeks

ok so

[plush grail]

paris wins

[next mesa]

justice picks boston

[plush grail]

whatever levy's fav team is rn

loses

[next mesa]

defiant gets paris

paris beats defiant

justice wins against boston

shock beats justice

outlaws loses to paris

fusion loses to spark SOMEHOW

seoul beats spark

[plush grail]

delusional

[tawdry hamlet]

honestly at this rate I wouldn't be surprised if spark beat both philly and seoul lmaoo

both those teams just pile up wins and then suck dick when it matters

[barren quest]

You can put a coin flip between Seoul, Philly and Spark and still have a higher chance to correctly predict

[noble nexus]

Shy might just 1v11 idk

[barren quest]

Since the three teams continues to be tragic at times

[next mesa]

true dude

havent seen playoff shy yet

anyways

[tawdry hamlet]

if they don't field lige in their last match we riot

[noble nexus]

Actually true

[balmy wolf]

ezaf

[noble nexus]

We’ll collectively mald about it

[tawdry hamlet]

if we don't see lige mika coldest shy architect we collectively cry

[barren quest]

Coldest over MCD?

Mika over IDK, sure but MCD has been doing well this season

[tawdry hamlet]

I know I just want china lineup plus architect loll

[next mesa]

SMS will dominate

lead spark to the finals

gets finals mvp

[noble nexus]

the true timeline

I'd rather them play mcd over coldest but def play mika and lige

[willow tartan]

yes where the fuck is lige

[next mesa]

depression

il recupere a contenders

oops

hes prob recovering in contendies

[north relic]

seoul goes into losers bracket?

[willow tartan]

that's just not how it works

[next mesa]

dont think so

I got it from sinot found

its kinda confusing

[willow tartan]

Playoffs is DAL, LAG, ATL, SHD, CDH then probably SFS, HOU, and Seoul.

[barren quest]

Any of the three APAC teams in the playins can win

They're all equally untrustworthy

[willow tartan]

you've just described every apac team

[feral zodiac]

Except shanghai when not trolling

[willow tartan]

can you trust shanghai to be trustworthy

its not even the teams its just the region thats cursed

[sullen berry]

Paris will one day stop choking at the playoff elims

[willow tartan]

haha as if they are getting into the playoffs

[feral zodiac]

Hot take, maybe the gladiators failing in previous years was due to some players on the team being very underwhelming rather than dpei being a bad coach

[earnest leaf]

I feel like that's part of what makes a coach good though

If he's only finding success after signing players at the top of their role, that's not the best look

Like rush kinda

[willow tartan]

that is an interesting thought experiment

[earnest leaf]

Aside from fearless, maybe hanbin, no one on dallas's roster was considered top 3-5 on their role

But this year they somehow got molded to where you can argue some of them are top 3 easily in their role

[willow tartan]

how would teams performed if they are coached by who the community considers to be "top coaches"

[earnest leaf]

Like fearless/hanbin/fielder are easily top 3 in their role

[willow tartan]

xzi

[earnest leaf]

Sparkle stocks went way up as well

doha got better as well

And even jecse looks much better

[willow tartan]

did ppl think xzi wouldnt be as good?

[earnest leaf]

Xzi was rated pretty highly

he was the best cree while he played, a great widow but his ashe was lacking a tad bit

Kinda like an ans hero pool but his cree was the shining star and not widow

[willow tartan]

tbh i thought he was gonna improve a lot this year from his rookie szn

but i was optimism.

[feral zodiac]

He probably would have

[earnest leaf]

I think xzi could have been coached to be insane

But in a stroke of luck, his hero pool was ass for this season

so good year to recover and get healthy

[willow tartan]

how would you say some of this year's hitscans match up with xzi

[feral zodiac]

I think everyone on dallas was regarded as at least good before they joined

[willow tartan]

like xzi vs shy

[feral zodiac]

Xzi wins but shy makes it hard

On cree/widow

Shy wins on ashe

[willow tartan]

did xzi play much hanzo?

[earnest leaf]

Don't know but I wouldn't be surprised if he could

[feral zodiac]

On the topic of stocks going up

Can't you argue the same has happened on glads this year

[earnest leaf]

Probably but a lot of them were already pretty highly rated

I'd say Space/skewed/muze stocks skyrocketed

Kevster/Birdring were already very highly regarded

same for moth and shu

[feral zodiac]

I think this is the first year where I can actually take people seriously when they say space is one of the best off tanks

[next mesa]

Not a tad bit it was honestly garb

If there was ever a HARD Ashe meta he would still be the guy that forces cree

[feral zodiac]

Would you say moon has been revealed as one of the best coaches in the league thanks to shanghai

[earnest leaf]

yea probably

[feral zodiac]

Or was he already considered one of them after his time with valiant

[earnest leaf]

a team going from nothing special to top2 in a season is definitely in part of the coach

[feral zodiac]

So who has been the biggest let down as a coach after moving teams

[earnest leaf]

Arachne maybe

[noble nexus]

wasn't arachne one of the coaches that got dropped?

[earnest leaf]

Shock assistant coach, gets fired in a week

[noble nexus]

yeahhh definitely arachne

considering what every other shock assistant coach has done

[earnest leaf]

ninek led paris of last year pretty well

And this year is a bit meh though

Junkbuck made houston a top 5 team

[north relic]

I remember him on it against philly

[next mesa]

Dragons won stage title without moon though previous season

[earnest leaf]

mickey mouse stage win

[next mesa]

Deserved

[willow tartan]

he coached cc to a second place finish

[next mesa]

That's true

[willow tartan]

fearles training arc

[next mesa]

Wonder if nohill would join dragons

[willow tartan]

probably not

he's also moved on i think?

oh just checked he's still LFT

dunno who would nab him though

next szn maybe

[sullen berry]

yes he seems more interested in starting from the top, not during the middle of the season

probably I assume he wants to take control of a good roster

[willow tartan]

inb4 hangzhou coaching explodes again

[sullen berry]

hangzhou smelly

[willow tartan]

does the league have a limit on coaches like players?

[sullen berry]

coaching limits?

[tacit skiff]

Man

Boston's gonna roll Washington

[north relic]

The team that lost 3-0 to titans?

[noble nexus]

Rolled by a winless team

Must suck tbh

[tacit skiff]

tell that to Vancouver

[willow tartan]

yea

cause shanghai already has 5 coaches

idk if theres a limit

actually which team has the most coaches

okay shanghai is the only team in the league with 5 coaches

[barren quest]

Losing to a winless team is the norm for Boston

[worthy void]

who making playins

[willow tartan]

Outlaws, Shock, Dynasty.

Those guys are gonna go through play-ins for sure.

[worthy void]

bett

[north relic]

Yea, with a slight chance for philly

[next mesa]

thanks for believing bb

[noble nexus]

I’m done believing in philly

Seoul all the way

[tacit skiff]

the Dynasty lmao?

kings of choking when it matters

I don't think so

Philidelphia is gonna go through APAC playins, no doubt

[next mesa]

says seoul are kings of choking
picks philly instead

[tacit skiff]

Well Philly sucka

sucks

they don't choke

they just lose

[next mesa]

they literally choked against valiant

they choked against seoul

they choked in the grand finals

[tacit skiff]

That was a tactical map loss against the Valiant

[next mesa]

they choked in every finals they've been to

[tacit skiff]

Again, there's a difference between choking and being bad

[next mesa]

not really

when you choke so many times, you just become bad

like philly

[tacit skiff]

Proving my point

Bad team

you shouldn't expect much

past a certain point

[next mesa]

except philly has expectations

they just choke

[tacit skiff]

I don't think anyone expects Philidelphia to succeed

Not the Philidelphia Fusion I know

[willow tartan]

Fusion chokes so much I think they secretly like it.

[tepid ibex]

They do

Philly was rated above chengdu in the off season

[sullen berry]

NYXL's entire roster feels like a choke

Let's see them perform better off next year, now that they have improved their tankline

bianca's fate will be either on the bench or going elsewhere

[gusty rampart]

Kalios just does what Bianca does but better and does more

NYXL would've been pretty good if they were in the NA region

[willow tartan]

cant wait for this split region thing to be over so we can have teams beating down on each other regularly

[hollow bough]

i will personally fund the next blizzard arena as long as I can name the building

[willow tartan]

what would you call it

[sullen berry]

Me: I'd like a Spark Arena Homestand
NZ: We have Spark Arena at home
Spark Arena at home:

[jaunty egret]

does anyone have a good crosshair? I cant stick to one

[earnest leaf]

just use whatever you like

if you wanna change it a bunch that's fine too

[devout path]

Convince me that pelican isn’t the best echo in the world

[balmy wolf]

i cant cause he is

[sullen berry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqLczXuvi3k

got pimped out the week before Hawaii

[devout path]

True

Like who compares to pelican

[balmy wolf]

maybe valentine

[devout path]

Nomegalul

[balmy wolf]

ooof i wanted to be nice

[feral zodiac]

Jinmu on pharah > pelican on echo

[devout path]

I mean

Those are 2 different characters

And 2 different players

Idk why you’re comparing them

[feral zodiac]

Ok

Jinmu widow > pelican widow

[devout path]

Now that’s a good question

I think pelican widow would be better

[balmy wolf]

thats not a question lily

[devout path]

You know what I meant

[balmy wolf]

i know ur dumb

[devout path]

Mean for literally no reason

[balmy wolf]

of course

its my job

[devout path]

:(

Do it to Luigi not me

[balmy wolf]

luigi is already crying

[devout path]

True

[balmy wolf]

its not worth bullying him

[hot onyx]

Hey Marbel

How does it feel to lose a tournament because one of your best players couldn’t play without 240 ping

[devout path]

What

Reread your sentence please

[hot onyx]

Where incorrect sentencing?

[devout path]

“Couldn’t play WITHOUT 240 ping”

[hot onyx]

Yeah he couldn’t

[devout path]

Wait

I read it as he can only play the game well with 240 ping

[hot onyx]

Boston fan moment

[devout path]

More like kevster moment

[balmy wolf]

i think we wouldnt have won even with pelican in hawaii

[devout path]

You got your playoffs spot

Who cares

[balmy wolf]

true

[hot onyx]

Good luck in playoffs when Defiant sign someone like Clestyn and start fielding Aztac and go on the 2021 equivalent of the Justice Decay playoff run

[devout path]

Aztac zarya gg

[devout path]

Good luck when Boston start playing gbs and absolutely dominate everyone

[hot onyx]

Imagine being Michelle and being benched for a main tank and a flex support in your career as a “pro” player

[hot onyx]

Good luck when Fusion trade Hotba for GBS and absolutely dominate everyone

[devout path]

Good luck when Boston get hotba and absolutely dominate everyone

[balmy wolf]

bruh

atlanta getting proper

its over for yall

[devout path]

Good luck when Seoul gets hog sig meta again and absolutely dominate everyone

[hot onyx]

Good luck when Spark signs Lego and absolutely dominates everyone

[devout path]

Good luck when spark play seominsoo and absolutely dominates everyone

[hot onyx]

Good luck when Justice pulls Ria out of retirement and absolutely dominates everyone

[devout path]

Good luck when shock pick up striker again and absolutely dominate everyone

[hot onyx]

Good luck when Beast and Shredlock come out of retirement and dominates everyone in a double main tank meta

[devout path]

Good luck when xqc comes out of retirement and mtds fearless in a monkey meta

[hot onyx]

Good luck when Zuppeh and Zebosai come out of retirement and support diffs everyone in the league

[devout path]

Good luck when the valiant pick up custa and roll everyone

[hot onyx]

Maybe next season

[devout path]

Ur mother

[balmy wolf]

Good luck when paris signs Luigi and he absolutely dominates everyone

[hot onyx]

Actually true

Shit the first one, not that deranged drivel that came out of marbel’s mouth

[balmy wolf]

shut up sans

[hot onyx]

Oh shit T1 is playing I have matters to attend to

Shut up marbel

[balmy wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/okay-smile-ok-happy-gif-14150032

[sullen berry]

Ah yes T1

scrim partners with LA Gladiators during CC

[nocturne yacht]

Good luck when TorontoXmayhem happens

[tawdry hamlet]

Do you guys think playoff decay is similar to playoff profit hmm

What if he pops off again

[noble nexus]

playoff decay and normal decay the same thing

if justice gave him the 5 man pocket in a good meta for his zarya in regular season same results

they'd get comp diffed and lose because they can only play zarya comps with him in

but he'd play about as well

[tawdry hamlet]

They should try double bubble decay Jerry assassin closer bebe since Jerry slaps ass and mag otp loll

Or try a ttuba pharah comp lmaoo

[vagrant cargo]

????

Wjy is the pro in " "

Michelle was heads and shoulders above every OT in China when he was on LFZ

And looked top tier in S2 regular season

[hot onyx]

https://youtube.com/clip/UgyaN9NRwR80leqtpu94AaABCQ

[vagrant cargo]

Yikes

One missplay=no pro

So no Player is a pro :)

[hot onyx]

2* misplays https://youtube.com/clip/UgwIXkOb-QXoYqRarwp4AaABCQ

[vagrant cargo]

Even then

Doesnt change that He has had a pretty good career overall

[feral zodiac]

This is the best year space has ever had

[willow tartan]

This is the best year the Gladiators have ever had.

[north relic]

was space part of stage 4 valiant?

[feral zodiac]

Yes

[vagrant cargo]

Space was top 2 in S1

Hes top 3 rn imo

[north relic]

would you count hanbin and void currently?

its between space and probably lateyoung rn

[vagrant cargo]

Void 1 hanbin 2 space 3

[willow tartan]

lateyoung, hawk

[noble nexus]

Showcheng

Dude is built different

[willow tartan]

when will they announce the MVP winner

I need something to be hyped about

[north relic]

hawk is a good shout as well

[noble nexus]

MVP is obviously gonna be leave

I fail to see anything else

[willow tartan]

I know it's probably gonna be leave but that's why I want it to be announced now so I don't have to be anxious about it

the regular season is over now pls just announce mvp 🙏

[feral zodiac]

I think piggy is in contention for top 5 off tank

[digital cloud]

if Houston doesn't flop this time, maybe

I would have said the same for jjanggu as well earlier, but I think houston might need more time

and possibly coach jake needs to stop deciding to put coach jake in

[north relic]

do you think choi/fury are still top 5

[earnest leaf]

Fury no

Choi maybe if he keeps up his performances

Which have been his normal self

[vagrant cargo]

Hell nah

His dva 💀💀💀

[hot onyx]

1: Ria
2: Bianca
3: Aztac

Any other opinions are open but also wrong

[feral zodiac]

I thought aztac was a support

[hot onyx]

Not according to KDG

[feral zodiac]

Would you say kdg has been revealed as a bad coach this season

Or that some of the players toronto have signed have been revealed as not that great

[hot onyx]

I think KDG did his best with players like Michelle Na1st and Ansoonjae

Lastro is literally only good on zen

And I won’t know what Aztac would’ve looked like for most of the season because his ass was benched for ooga booga sex big dick

Also Logix

If Defiant have some form of sense they’ll keep Heesu Aspire and Sado and rebuild on the rest of the roles from NA/KR Contenders and/or free agency

[arctic yew]

Who is the worst dps is the league

?

[mortal abyss]

Linkzr maybe?

Or hybrid if u wanna count him ig

[tacit skiff]

cursed 2020 regular season rankings

[digital cloud]

probably a dps from valiant

don't even know the valiant dps

[north relic]

probably hybrid

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/604119845696700435/838178400400703578/hybrid_god_at_the_game.gif

[mortal abyss]

Haha

[digital cloud]

Shots 1-5: Clearly missed.

Shots 6-9: Missed due to recoil (bad spray control).

Shots 10-11: Very close, but recoil and inaccuracy make these reasonable misses.

Shot 12: Likely didn't actually fire because hiko hybrid was already dead.

[worn falcon]

this replay have like 5 fps wtf

[hot onyx]

That’s exactly what makes it funnier

[raw ermine]

dudes career is ruined (maybe) cause of that

[fast tusk]

Wait so is the playoffs gonna perform on a stage or online ?

[barren quest]

The playoffs will be on LAN

[neat onyx]

Boston uprising on top

[north relic]

what about play ins

[agile lake]

https://votes.zusor.io/

[barren quest]

They're online

[agile lake]

How does leave gets so many votes? I know he is a very great player and Chengdu doing an amazing performance overall

But like I dont see someone else other than Shu getting it

Objectively

[north relic]

big recency bias

[tepid ibex]

how tf is shu higher than LIP

[earnest leaf]

Please shock make it through play-ins

I want to see ans on lan

[agile lake]

[earnest leaf]

shd didn't make tourney this stage, apac player, and shu popped off recently

Just normal recency bias

[agile lake]

I know recency bias can easely change someone's thoughts but lets be real

If you can carry a whole team on a major tournament

Then you can deserve MVP for it

And he did it multiple times, not only once

[earnest leaf]

The thing is mvp is the entire year prior to countdown cup

[plush grail]

PARIS

KEEPS

WINNING

[earnest leaf]

So someone could dominate the first 3 tourneys, then miss out on the 4th, they should still be recognized for mvp

iirc shu was kinda underwhelming for the first half of the year, while a lot of other players were much better for mvp talks

And there are people like fearless who carried his team to a may melee win, and nearly won the june joust, but recently has fallen off via mvp talk because the meta isn't pure winston

[plush grail]

wow okay

but have u considered

kaan mvp

he beat the justice and a bug

[agile lake]

Super MVP ?

[earnest leaf]

Just not anyone this year who has dominated at every stage

[agile lake]

[earnest leaf]

Previous years though there were players who dominated year round

viol2t also was robbed of mvp last season btw

[plush grail]

viol2t is overrated as FUCK

[earnest leaf]

He was by far the best zen/bapt last season and those two were meta 90% of the time

And people really only were better than him at ana

Remember

Shock ran the objectively worse comp in GF because viol2t was just better than everyone on zen

While they still had twilight to run ana

but noooo, mr echo otp gets mvp

smh

[agile lake]

I mean Sinatraa wasnt consistent as well that much

[earnest leaf]

Sinatraa was consistently a top 2 zarya during all of goats, and did pound as doom in playoffs

[agile lake]

Moth

[earnest leaf]

Could see it

But also

[tacit skiff]

myunbong

[earnest leaf]

Mvp is way too dps favored

[agile lake]

Moth AT LEAST was Support Star

[tacit skiff]

didn't jjonak win mvp

yeah

the zen skin

[agile lake]

yea

[earnest leaf]

On zen

[agile lake]

Deserved

[earnest leaf]

The dps of supports

Sinatraa zarya

The dps of goats

[tacit skiff]

still waiting for that Tracer or Sombra MVP skin

[agile lake]

Shu the dps of supports

[tacit skiff]

Jake should get MVP for his Junkrat

[agile lake]

JKE

[earnest leaf]

I want MT mvp

[agile lake]

All I want is a Support MVP

[north relic]

lip,fearless,leave, and pelican have been to tournies 3 times, with shu only having one

[tacit skiff]

Well in a Winston filled world, I doubt that'll happen since Winston already has an owl skin

[agile lake]

Its easy to give MVP to a DPS/Tank players when they can do some really Star-moves in-game when Supports carries the hell out in the back

[tacit skiff]

Maybe if we have a Reinhardt or Sigma meta

then a MT would get mvp

[north relic]

mvp is only for regular season

[agile lake]

Inb4 someone tells me Zen Jjonak but he got voted for his DPS lol

[plush grail]

yeah but no

a lucio is cool

but can he get a 6k with nanoblade???

[earnest leaf]

Prime chance for rein mvp was goats

Super almost won it

[tacit skiff]

Lucio with nanoblade
cursed

[agile lake]

Someone need to animate this

[tacit skiff]

when the Sinatraa skin doesn't get unvaulted because Sinatraa is a terrible human being

[agile lake]

Then he just starts wallriding with his blade like Super's Genji walking with his blade

[plush grail]

super doesnt play genji

[tacit skiff]

imagine getting chased down by a speedboost Lucio with a nanoblade

Super Genji❗ ❓

[worn falcon]

i want a tank mvp

or support mvp

sadge

[shadow dagger]

yes he does

[worn falcon]

he does

he is GM gengo

[shadow dagger]

^ hes nuts

[worn falcon]

and twilight benched except a few games

[hot onyx]

https://twitter.com/jkaru19/status/1429889446292463617?s=21

Louis Power (@JkAru19)

What if some of the most influential pro players+content creators came together and created a list of improvements changes and additions to OW. Bring this list to whoever is in charge of the original overwatch game. And force them to implement these things. Its so sad how ez it

Twitter · Aug 23, 2021, 7:33 PM

[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/esportsobserved/status/1429883459175133196

The Esports Observer (@esportsobserved)

BREAKING: @Kevin_Hitt has learned that @ATVI_AB's Johanna Faries is now almost exclusively focused on the development of the #CallofDuty franchise, and has stepped back from the day-to-day operations of @CODLeague and @overwatchleague.

Full story:
https://t.co/LUXOYiV2d9

Twitter · Aug 23, 2021, 7:09 PM

jspex commissioner?

[worn falcon]

probs

he been very communicative and such

depends on how bobby feels

[mortal abyss]

Jspex is a great commissioner

If we had him from day 1 maybe the league would be in a better place rn

[willow tartan]

I will be very mildly upset if LIP does not win MVP.

[sage delta]

Very mildly

[willow tartan]

Yes. Leave is great and all don't get me wrong, but LIP 'oughta win.

Man's cracked.

[tawdry hamlet]

Y'all seen these pepega takes omegalul
https://twitter.com/ghostow_/status/1429369683283693577?s=21

Naomi (@GhostOW_)

Glads winning with Space doesn't make Space good, it makes Shu, Skewed, Birdring, Kevster and Muze really fucking good. Space is the most excessively aggressive off tank and had it not been for the rest of his team being very fucking good, he'd be considered a very bad OT

Twitter · Aug 22, 2021, 9:07 AM

https://twitter.com/ghostow_/status/1429687939785797632?s=21

Naomi (@GhostOW_)

@Rocket_OW Replace Space with Molf1g and they do even better, this isn't even me being a biased London fan here, I genuinely think Molf1g is better than Space

Twitter · Aug 23, 2021, 6:12 AM

[willow tartan]

who???

why do you read twitter posts from random people

[noble nexus]

that's laughably stupid

[north relic]

Aren’t you always mildly upset

[willow tartan]

Not very mildly upset.

wait is that englishly correct?

if you say very mildly are you saying it is a very mild upsettance

or do you say mildly very upset

it doesnt sound right either way

[north relic]

I don’t think this is Englishly correct either

[digital cloud]

To be honest, I kind of agree with that lost almost

[willow tartan]

oh look

video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDj3fczN1YQ

[digital cloud]

I have always seen space as like bumper

[tawdry hamlet]

A mutual shared the tweet and I simply spreading omegalul

[willow tartan]

look guys fearless is in the middle its gonna be fearless

[tawdry hamlet]

But space played way too well this month for me to really shit on him, his peels were 👌

[digital cloud]

He sometimes looks bad, but he can look really good with the right people

[willow tartan]

he's not wrong about the aggression part though

part of me feels like against some teams he gets punished for that

[digital cloud]

Molfig being better though . . .

Idk

[willow tartan]

Molf 1 God

[tawdry hamlet]

The aggression part sure but molf kek, if they said someone like piggy maybe I wouldn't laugh as hard

[willow tartan]

yeah space is bad

gladiators with void wouoldve been even better

[tawdry hamlet]

[willow tartan]

unless he gets benched

[tawdry hamlet]

Forgot they had void at one point tbh

[north relic]

Lip is snorlax

For a second I thought levy was lip

[willow tartan]

i like how they translated it as "big-boned"

[north relic]

What did he say actually

[willow tartan]

idk i just find "big-boned" funny

[north relic]

Lip is big boned

[willow tartan]

he's tall boned

9'6 gaming warlord

[sage delta]

Roolf best

Hadi best

The fella with the glasses, sparkr or smth, is best sombra

On spitfire

Why are they not mvp nominations

I am true 👽

[digital cloud]

some people really do look bigger than they actually are but usually big boned is just an excuse

[willow tartan]

does big boned mean literally big boned

or is it a euphemism for large frame

[digital cloud]

It can be either

usually it is to describe overweight people to either be nice or to avoid admitting they are overweight

[tawdry hamlet]

yeah, sometimes it can be a subtle dig type thing like oh you aren't fat you are just big boned sarcastically to someone loll

[north relic]

https://twitter.com/Choi457_/status/1429071847841091588?s=20

쬬 (@Choi457_)

210821 #스트라이커 #striker

"은퇴요? 그냥 이번 시즌을 조금 쉬는 거고.. 다음 시즌에 팀을 구해보려고요. 은퇴는 아닙니다. 다시 열심히 해보는걸로~"

"retire? I'm just taking a break from this season. i'm going to get a team next season. It's not retire." https://t.co/dpBDLVQNC9

Likes

396

Twitter · Aug 21, 2021, 1:24 PM

[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/EsportsCharts/status/1429905388347043850

Esports Charts (@EsportsCharts)

71k Peak Viewers on Overwatch League 2021 Countdown Cup. @SFShock vs @DallasFuel is the most popular match of the event. #OWL @overwatchleague

More stats:
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Twitter · Aug 23, 2021, 8:36 PM

ouch

[next mesa]

ouch

well at least we know that asia has like 300k

[willow tartan]

yeah why dont they just move the league to china and korea

fly all the teams there so no divison split

[ivory stag]

Who mechanically is seen as the best tracer in owl or like top 3 in owl? I feel like leave should be one

[raw ermine]

kevster too

[forest raven]

Striker

[ivory stag]

as much as i dislike glads kevstar is a top tier tracer

skeweds probably one of the best brigs too

i butchered that spelling lol

who is fuel's isnt it sp9rk1e?

[forest raven]

Yeah it would be but

Sparkle ain't much compared to the top tracers