are you allowed to get ult for hanzo while dragons are out?
#esports-discussion
north relic
willow tartan
yes
north relic
so as soon as it is casted you can get ult
willow tartan
if you do enough damage ig
main canyon
fr? I would but zens ult as high as emp
north relic
i rate nano pretty high
willow tartan
yeah it charges p fast and is free engage
north relic
I find it hard to know when to use
ivory stag
is hawaii tomorrow or fri?
north relic
is hawaii tomorrow or fri?
I see a livestream tomorrow
Team us could be pretty stacked this year if owwc happened
Do you guys rate danteh or Nero higher
feral zodiac
fr? I would but zens ult as high as emp
Zens ult can be killed through with proper teamwork/burst
So it's not quite as important, but still up there
feral zodiac
Ana moment
willow tartan
just eat the nade 4head
willow tartan
Team us could be pretty stacked this year if owwc happened
would lose to team china
:)
candid radish
Do like how you can still one shot through zen ult, feels nice
Although I imagine someone is screaming abuse at their TVs or monitors
ivory stag
if we looking at a ball dva or double bubble id say eastern teams have it but if we some how end up in a rein or orisa based comp i think with atl and sfs it would be more of a NA team having the win
raw ermine
hahahahhahahahah best image ever
willow tartan
if we looking at a ball dva or double bubble id say eastern teams have it but if...
i mean even in a rein comp
super is not heads and shoulders above the other top reinhardts in the league
ivory stag
i think at that point it would really rely on how well the dva/zarya play on the teams to show a diff in which teams would win or lose
willow tartan
hanbin void
sage kernel
hahahahhahahahah best image ever
hot image lol
ivory stag
id say choiy is decent but i feel he is decent when he pops off not and overall average like hanbin
willow tartan
isnt choi korean or is he asian-american
worn falcon
sk
raw ermine
ivory stag
i mean they will against glads at least
candid radish
Hunters will win the countdown cup, they have a panda as their mascot and that’s about it for my hope of them winning
barren quest
Looks like the CC skin is a Bastion skin
digital cloud
pirate
willow tartan
haha get it cause pirate ship
wide minnow
How can they release so many skin I don't understand
I think this is the first time they are doing that
north relic
Looks like the CC skin is a Bastion skin
why bastion
worn falcon
pirate ship
willow tartan
must... get... skin
little tusk
a friend of mine just said ow is more toxic than league
what do u peeps think of that
north relic
never played league personally so idk
friend of mine says that overwatch is just first person league though
but from what they say i think lol is more toxic
little tusk
yeh I thought so as well
frank granite
id be toxic too if i played such a bad game
north relic
hot take but i dont think overwatch is toxic
little tusk
hot take but i dont think overwatch is toxic
try gold elo
seriously
gold players are the most toxic it's crazy
willow tartan
hktt atke but everywhere and everyone is toxic its just that in some places ppl hide it more
ivory stag
nah you ever play dora the explorer royale? whole community is not toxic in slightest
little tusk
what's the story about the bastion pirate ship skin
noble nexus
Pirate ship meta or something
willow tartan
yes, pirate ship meta :)
buoyant surge
pirate bastion skin😫
trail perch
Junkertown pirate ship was the shit
I’ll stand by that
Bdosin Hog
Jjonak bastion/hog
Super Hog/Zeb
Zen*
Sleepy could play hog for anyone who didn’t watch s1
So the shock ran super hog and flexed him onto zen
On junkertown
north relic
So the shock ran super hog and flexed him onto zen
super played s1? i forgot
willow drum
Noooo not the CC
ivory stag
i never saw any of that id love to find old match of that
trail perch
Dallas fuel vs Shock stage 3 is the first one I can think of
Both AKM blade and super hog/zen
In one game
This full game idk where to find it
north relic
last hanzo skin was halloween right
ivory stag
i just want a sick new legend for him tbh only one that looks decent is the business suit and wood bow
north relic
does owlstandings.com do tiebreakers for you
north relic
my favorite hanzo skin is scion imo
ivory stag
thats the business suit one right?
north relic
yea
ivory stag
yeah its only clean one and the wood bow looks so nice
with imprinted dragon on it stamped steel
north relic
i love that ganymede is a parrot for bastion
proper aspen
pick em isnt working again 😦
hot onyx
Looks like the CC skin is a Bastion skin
Told you
north relic
fusion wins play ins and knocks out seoul
do you think fusion or seoul can peak higher
willow tartan
i think seoul will beat chengdu
hot onyx
can you predict fusion to win
I would never
willow tartan
I would never
3-0 shanghai gaming
hot onyx
I know
devout path
What
willow tartan
the reason i think this way
hot onyx
Memeicus look
willow tartan
yes?
hot onyx
It’s delusional to think that whoever won the Fusion-Seoul game would place anywhere above 4th
willow tartan
???
hot onyx
They’re just gonna drop their spaghetti
hot onyx
I think Glads place 2nd and crumble in the finals like a soggy biscuit
willow tartan
but anyway
reason i think seoul wins the cc over chengdu is because chengdu struggled in their qualifiers and seoul has more comp flexibility
hot onyx
Toyou zarya Toyou zarya
willow tartan
all they need to do is run dva and they win
north relic
I think Glads place 2nd and crumble in the finals like a soggy biscuit
honestly i agree
willow tartan
cause lateyoung loves to force zarya too
hot onyx
Toyou and Hotba zarya otps
devout path
Idk about you but I pred Seoul coming 4th
hot onyx
Lateyoung actually good though
north relic
Idk about you but I pred Seoul coming 4th
i think i predded reign 4th and seoul 3rd
hot onyx
Reign 4th?
devout path
Chengdu win the CC
willow tartan
nahhhh
devout path
Then seoul win playins
devout path
Good
willow tartan
so if seoul wins then seoul and fusion can both make play offs
hot onyx
Good
devout path
Fuck philly
willow tartan
how can we have a playoffs without carpe rascal eqo shockwave
worn falcon
Fantasy owwc
willow tartan
thats a crime
worn falcon
devout path
Chengdu deserves it more
willow tartan
vancouver?
worn falcon
Chengdu gonna slap this cup
ivory stag
i mean tbf 90% of all owl is chinese or korean players lol
devout path
Philly lost a map to valiant
willow tartan
i mean tbf 90% of all owl is chinese or korean players lol
60% is kr, 15% is cn i think
ivory stag
most na teams arent really american
willow tartan
and then rest is whatever
hot onyx
Boston lost 2 to Spitfire
willow tartan
boston lost to shanghai and vancouver
hot onyx
Week 3 day 2 MM
ivory stag
60% is kr, 15% is cn i think
i feel like thats just wierd though you wouldnt recruit someone from a diff country to reperesent your country in the olympics lol right or do they do it there too
tacit skiff
can't wait to buy the bastion skin and never get to use it
willow tartan
i feel like thats just wierd though you wouldnt recruit someone from a diff coun...
olympics would be world cup. owl is like fifa
tacit skiff
Boston still won 3 omegalul
ivory stag
oh okay makes sense
@balmy wolf they are growing to take over! dear god
why does my roles always do this to random ppl?
like if i mouse scroll up and down fast enough it does it and also lags discord for me
hot onyx
I don’t know, why does the Charge think it’s a good idea to release Happy Nero and Shu but keep Rio?
ivory stag
yo nero pops off
north relic
what was charges ms last season
hot onyx
Chara
raw ermine
and neptuno
north relic
wasnt he cracked on brig or smth
raw ermine
he was
hot onyx
Nothing special, had a pretty sweet brig
north relic
would you say he was better than mandu
hot onyx
Is the earth a planet?
north relic
does fusion shit the bed?
hot onyx
Does NYXL miss the play ins?
willow tartan
yes
north relic
x4
hot onyx
Yes Chara was better than Mandu
Mid/low tier mercy/lucio though but not bad enough to be considered a downgrade to Mandu
north relic
nero happy and shu probably left charge without a choice
they all went to NA teams didnt they
feral zodiac
i feel like thats just wierd though you wouldnt recruit someone from a diff coun...
They absolutely do it there
ivory stag
wait really? idk i dont watch much olympics
feral zodiac
A fair amount of people of Kenyan or Ethiopian descent run for middle eastern countries after being granted citizenship
Because of how insanely hard it is to represent Kenya/Ethiopia
feral zodiac
Yeah
earnest leaf
so with how nasty nero is this year
was eileen actually a decent chunk better than him? or was eileen just better for the metas they had
I know nero was in visa hell too
earnest leaf
some korean from what I know
digital cloud
probably just some, I doubt he is fluent
then again, he was on a korean team for a while
earnest leaf
I've seen him type in korean in games
earnest leaf
so probably like how some korean players now basic english and what not
Where they can hold conversations but the specifics they won't fully know
willow tartan
source: reddit
and people were wondering why i said nero was put in with Smurf when they wanted Korean comms
SMH
sinful crystal
Smh?
worn falcon
OWL Comms: BALLBALLBALLBALLBALLBALLBALL...DVADVADVADVADVA
Wonder if nero had some translator while he was in Charge tho
or if they send him the strategies in text and he used google translate
last nimbus
why doesnt ta1yo play?
heard some people saying that he wasnt playing cause of meta right now but he plays heroes that are in meta rn so whats the deal with him
earnest leaf
we have no idea
north relic
nero is better than taiyo
earnest leaf
only assumption is the other players are better in scrims
earnest leaf
probably this year
worn falcon
yeh
many players are gonna be dropped
and instead were gonna get contenders players
i feel ta1yo wasnt feeling ready to play, after how he was crushed at the start
devout path
I feel a lot of people are gonna retire this offseason
worn falcon
also with delta variant covid is gonna be hard af to get a visa.
digital cloud
valorant is probably looking pretty nice to many ow players
what with sponsorships drying up, the amount of viewers in valorant, and the ease with which many of the players would be able to get teams and stomp the players currently playing
willow tartan
whenever i get a ping in the community tournaments channel i get really excited then i get the crushing reality that its NA 90% of the time and EU the other 10%
digital cloud
I mean, a team with fucking zacharee and rawkus are top 5 in na, and na is the best valorant region currently
any good ow players switching now would dominate
willow tartan
not necessarily
its still a whole nother game
if they have the competitive spirit to really learn to be the best then they can make it
but its not just free
i mean look at ans
one of the most mechanically skilled overwatch players
never understood valorant well enough to play
digital cloud
ans never even played in a real game, I don't think he liked it, not that he wasn't good enough
digital cloud
I am pretty sure most pros now don't exactly do it because they love the game
willow tartan
uh...
digital cloud
at least in ow
willow tartan
why wouldnt they do it?
you know the league doesnt pay like all too much money if you take into account how many hours you're putting into OWL
just look at mr multi millionaire libero
or the valiant players who are doing OWL for fun
digital cloud
sure, but it happens to be a top game that also doesn't get many changes so you don't have to learn new stuff
willow tartan
jjonak has said that he'll retire once he stops finding OW fun
digital cloud
plus there are roles so you don't have to do like in cs where you have to learn eveything
digital cloud
ow is hard, but it is also a game where I think going pro is pretty straighforward
willow tartan
top 10 teams sign players based on them mostly and if not they retrain the players
digital cloud
I mean, true, but you still have to occasionally pick up the awp or support when a player dies
while you never really do that for ow
willow tartan
ow is hard, but it is also a game where I think going pro is pretty straighforwa...
im gonna disagree with this one
you look at other top esports and they actually have funded t2 scenes
digital cloud
I mean, the top two are, iirc: league, which is franchised and thus the tier two is basically academy teams, and cs, which is franchised and has shit tier 2
willow tartan
cs is not franchised
they have open qualifiers for all the big events with teams getting invited if they have a high enough team rating
digital cloud
pretty sure esl is franchised
willow tartan
esl takes account other tournaments too for their system
like blast premier and whatnot
digital cloud
well, I guess it isn't franchised the way that ow or league is but the esports is effectively franchised most of the time
like how Amazon isn't technically a monopoly
digital cloud
because I can't remember a time when a team that wasn't franchised to the esl was relevant
earnest leaf
inb4 moth retires and becomes a valorant pro and pounds
digital cloud
what I am seeing it described as is "semi-franchised" with with "multiple permanent partners"
these partners are navi, g2, astralis, liquid, vitality, faze, fnatic, mouse, complexity, etc.
aka the only relevant cs teams
willow tartan
That's based on their ESL ranking I believe.
Top four are invited.
Then the rest go through qualifiers.
digital cloud
pretty sure the rankings are what they do for being within the league itself
there are like 13 teams that are already in it by default
willow tartan
its stats
Okay just checked, it's not rankings.
It's points they rack up through the year in various other tournaments
digital cloud
yeah, I am trying to figure out exactly what it is, because they apparently have like 13 founding teams or whatever, but those teams I think have to do some shit to make it or something
willow tartan
I'm on the ESL website right now. No mention of anything like that.
digital cloud
let me link it if I can find it again
it mentions 12 permanent partner teams here, but not sure it elaborates
I cannot seem to find the original one I found with 13
willow tartan
willow tartan
Currently, 13 teams jointly govern and participate in revenue for ESL Pro League. They also have long-term participation slots which protect them from getting relegated.
digital cloud
anyway, yeah, they basically do have a franchise sort of system, but it is kind of franchise lite
willow tartan
So they're basically like the veteran teams of major orgs that have a say in the system.
They have their own "player council" or whatevs.
It's like how the United Nations Security Council has permanent members.
digital cloud
sort of, but, like in league, they can lose their spot as well
but it seems to be uncommon
and of course not every slot is "franchised"
so it isn't quite the same as a full franchise
but there is basically an equivalent, and I would argue the franchised teams are basically the only ones that matter
except maybe gambit and heroic
digital cloud
well, esl does tend to be most of the csgo scene from what I have seen
esea I suppose is pretty big
and of course the interspersed events
willow tartan
There's ESL, Blast Premier, Dreamhack
Then there's of course the big boy tournaments the majors.
digital cloud
those are valve though
and they don't care
I don't even know why they bother to be honest
willow tartan
Why they bother sponsoring majors?
But no yeah, majors which are the actual real big award thing like an OWL championship, is purely calculated on standings iirc
digital cloud
sure, but a lot of the reason that the bigger teams have standings is probably due to permanent membership to esl
and being good, of course
willow tartan
mostly being good
Since the tournaments are open to literally anyone
Long as you qualify, you can play.
digital cloud
you just have to somehow be good enough to beat people that play against simple and zywoo day in and day out
digital cloud
I don't think many rando teams get to scrim at that caliber
god, why did I even start this argument
SYSTEMIC TEAM PRIVILEGE, POWER TO THE PLAYERS DAMMIT
willow tartan
Good teams good.
willow tartan
online era was a fluke???
digital cloud
I didn't bother to watch during that era
considering how godawful cs is off lan
I can barely stand it on lan
willow tartan
the moment LAN tournaments happened the teams that did well online got rolled
willow tartan
heroic, gambit, faze, g2, navi, and vitality are the current good teams, iirc
Currently, the teams at the top of their regional rankings is nip, heroic, g2 (EU)
extremum, liquid, furia (NA)
navi, spirit, gambit (CIS)
digital cloud
oh yeah, nip and furia, I forgot about them
raw ermine
oh yeah, nip and furia, I forgot about them
LIP and Fury*
digital cloud
slaps knee and guffaws
devout path
I still don’t understand how justice is bad
earnest leaf
their coaches are bad
backline is incredibly mediocre
tanks are mostly fine, mag just needs to improve his other tanks
and assassin is pretty meh
Decay/jerry are honestly fine though
god I really put that team top 4 in my pre season rankings
devout path
Did justice go 0-4 this stage
trail perch
1-3
trail perch
idk
trail perch
heroic, gambit, faze, g2, navi, and vitality are the current good teams, iirc
heroic is online only
and australis is still a top team
heroic didnt impress on lan
next mesa
god I really put that team top 4 in my pre season rankings
I put top 2 🥴
north relic
god I really put that team top 4 in my pre season rankings
A lot of people had justice high
noble nexus
I had like top 4 iirc
mag has been a let down and their support line has been as mediocre as expected
north relic
Do you guys think glads underperformed this year
noble nexus
I had them top 3 but other teams overperformed
north relic
Would you say the same for shock
noble nexus
ya
the support line situation going crazy
they've only just got some more assistant coaches back
plus individuals have performed worse
although both shock and glads have had their best look this tourney cycle
next mesa
ATL overperformed
devout path
Thinking about my preseason rankings
noble nexus
paris also overperformed
devout path
Well
I don’t think the paris we ranked originally overperformed
I think the changes to the roster helped the team massively
humble yarrow
Thinking about my preseason rankings
Well this was very flawed
vagrant cargo
god I really put that team top 4 in my pre season rankings
Same
devout path
Well this was very flawed
It was preseason
humble yarrow
Ik
noble nexus
everyone's preseason ranking this season was flawed
or well
wrong
can't be flawed considering it was just a prediction
devout path
Remember how everyone underrated Houston
noble nexus
saw that
devout path
No
noble nexus
but I also underrated both dallas and houston so
devout path
Same
north relic
Thinking about my preseason rankings
Honestly this seems fine to me, did you rate philly with or without visa issues
noble nexus
I'd assume with considering they're so low
north relic
Philly without would be a tier higher imo
noble nexus
yeah that power ranking pretty decent for preseason
north relic
Other than that Boston ranking but it’s lily
noble nexus
yeah that can be excused
devout path
The tiers weren’t ordered
north relic
Yes but did you
devout path
Idk
earnest leaf
these were mine
next mesa
u were on the NYXL scrimbux
earnest leaf
god damn was I braindead
I think this was when I had no idea about apac
so I guess 90% of it
except shd first valiant last
but looking back
devout path
I was pretty high on nyxl too
earnest leaf
charge/spark aren't that far off
I wasn't high at all on dallas
And IN MY DEFENSE
north relic
these were mine
Na seems fine other than Dallas being low
earnest leaf
Outside of a dive meta
it's fair to rate dallas lower than most teams
er most top tier teams
And we got a meta that unironically was perfect for them most of the season
north relic
Isn’t Dallas good at rush as well
earnest leaf
they played it a tiny bit
devout path
Dallas is good when they can play monkey/rein
earnest leaf
But a solid 90% of their comps were winston based
But i'm just saying
If we had the metas we had last season
I think dallas being that low would be fair
next mesa
should've known that dallas could just force winston ezpz
earnest leaf
But that's shit like hard ashe/tracer double shield metas
next mesa
I think if we had ashe tracer
dallas would like fuckin force sparkle doom and still do well somehow
north relic
No one knew what the meta was
devout path
dallas would like fuckin force sparkle doom and still do well somehow
Probably
Then everyone would play doom for some reason
earnest leaf
but we are seeing now that dallas isn't super flexible
Fearless kinda holds them back a bit there
devout path
That’s why Shanghai had stand1
tawdry hamlet
Mag Fury overrated but decent enough, decay Jerry are more than adequate the rest just shouldn't be there 
north relic
Mag Fury overrated but decent enough, decay Jerry are more than adequate the res...
Well fury was fury and mag was the best mt out or contenders
tawdry hamlet
Yes 
but it turns out when you remove the best backline in the world you aren't able to be an s tier tank nearly as easily
devout path
What team was fury on last season
earnest leaf
who were the supports mag had on runaway?
tawdry hamlet
Sado Fury were the fusions old tankline
Sado Fury Carpe Heesu Eqo Ivy Alarm Boombox Funnyastro
earnest leaf
remember when people said sado was a better winston/orisa than smurf
tawdry hamlet
And poko kek
tawdry hamlet
I only remember hyping up his rein, that's about it, everything else from him was just B-A tier
Although sado is difficult to judge and so is stand1 because they both had really good teams and then did the opposite performances, stand1 was bad with Shanghai and good with Boston whereas sado was good with fusion and bad with Toronto
Genuinely though, imagine if Toronto didn't get sado and just went all in on Beast kek
They'd be the second worst team in the league since if they didn't get sado they wouldn't have Heesu either and just be Logix naist
trail perch
i still think mag could be a top 5 top 3 main tank in the league
every single time he gets "caught out"
its usually a support gap
next mesa
anyone have vod for
costa roster?
owwc
I would put
Izayaki over Fielder
Void over Hanbin
(barely)
China I would also add Eileen
7 man right
KR I would add Fleta probably
USA I would add errrrr Hydron 
next mesa
I feel like that's too much proj
if anything I would just replace danteh with nero
also fuck it
Superich > Nisha
earnest leaf
might be a hot take
I would take nero over danteh on any of their main heroes except tracer/sombra
But there still pretty close
But that's why I would want both
Danteh if you're gonna run sombra comps and potentially have to swap around to other proj dps mid map
Nero/aspire full time otherwise
next mesa
but if double hitscan
tawdry hamlet
Double hitscan is the only weakness in that rotation
next mesa
thats why u take hydron
because aspire probably has the best tracer out of them anyway
and he can also play proj
tawdry hamlet
Tracer isn't even one of Aspires main heroes according to Apply, meaning if he grinded tracer his ceiling could be massive
earnest leaf
his tracer is good but danteh's is better still
next mesa
never seen danteh's tracer match yaki
only seen him get dunked on by pelican without orb
fallen turret
Out of ksf, taiyo, checkmate, jimmy, develop, and whoru, (the benchwarmer dps players) who is the best, and which of these guys don’t deserve the perma bench role?
next mesa
well taiyo isn't a benchwarmer because he's the playoff secret weapon
and then i'd say
develop, whoru, jimmy, checkmate, ksf in that order
develop whoru could be a nice dps line on another team
yes
on CC
Also anamo holds seoul back guys :copium:
fallen turret
develop, whoru, jimmy, checkmate, ksf in that order
Is there anybody I missed
earnest leaf
I forgot whoru was in the league
fallen turret
Technically Jake as a dps player
fallen turret
Colourhex
And then if we’re just talking players in general
Ameng, rapel, fusions,
NVM on valiant
next mesa
that guy's a coach
fallen turret
It says he’s on the roster
next mesa
yeah but he's only on the roster to meet the minimum req
earnest leaf
Holy fuck super/pelican's stacked game is getting rolled
tawdry hamlet
I still stand by the take taiyo isn't owl level, and he never was. 
gusty rampart
frank granite
small indie company
tawdry hamlet
I totally forgot hydration played in the map against taiyo lmao
fallen turret
It’s so weird how that happened
tropic bear
when is the next owl stream
sacred trellis
willow tartan
wtf the game is at 7 am
hot onyx
wtf the game is at 7 am
Lucky time zone, game for me is at 2 am
candid radish
Lucky time zone, game for me is at 2 am
Same
candid radish
Aussie fun
plush grail
I totally forgot hydration played in the map against taiyo lmao
Taiyo isn't on the roster
He's just friends with them
tawdry hamlet
Yeesh he missed like 4 shots on his dynamite lmaoo
This all japanese team is kind of ass lmaoo
feral zodiac
Holy fuck super/pelican's stacked game is getting rolled
Don't a lot of stacked games end up being one sided
winged idol
balmy wolf
gator
willow tartan
fate gaga smurf gator fearless
feral zodiac
Muze
mortal abyss
wild cape
where’s dalton the chad
willow tartan
https://twitter.com/changsik/status/1428278129571733511?s=21
oh right teru is in korea still too
north relic
who were the supports mag had on runaway?
wasnt it like ljg gangnamjin
crisp condor
And I think chiyo and someone else
Revenge
vagrant cargo
Mag also had gangnamjin LJG
raw ermine
willow tartan
that guy sounds like he's about to preach a religion to me
raw ermine
leave MVP is a religion
sullen berry
https://twitter.com/changsik/status/1428278129571733511?s=21
Oh damn IS THAT A WOLF SHOWING UP
next mesa
ayo are ya'll seeing pine tracer on stream kinda nasty
tawdry hamlet
north relic
super gets so much money when he loses
tawdry hamlet
Literally just stood still and got 40 percent for free lmao
It's crazy how the littlest positioning matters in owl vs ranked
proper aspen
someone can tell me why pick me does not let me exactly that? i can choose matches but i cant submit them 
proper aspen
next mesa
just retry ig
devout path
https://twitter.com/Emily_Tangerine/status/1428192904518930437
Thank you baptiste oh you’re welcome
Great voiceline
shadow dagger
Great voiceline
Def top 5 imo
north relic
i could have 5 rein voicelines as top 5
young fractalBOT
@plush grail https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/209609220084072450/873173923209052180/image0.png
stuck radish
its worse getting swept by vancouver
north relic
titans>boston>paris
nocturne yacht
ayo are ya'll seeing pine tracer on stream kinda nasty
Link
ivory stag
when does the matches start today?
ivory stag
whose first? glads and hunters?
plush grail
ur bad lily
devout path
ur bad lily
Cuz I’m right
plush grail
u are not
proper aspen
tawdry hamlet
and they say and crusader online and behind you ahhh are goated voice lines
the rational bracket 
north relic
and they say and crusader online and behind you ahhh are goated voice lines
i dont like crusader online that much
i feel like rein has better voicelines than that
tawdry hamlet
I love atlanta and lag but Gesture ball gapped mano hard on top of profits and Chengdu is literally made for this meta, pharah/ball thing is literally theirs for the taking
I wouldn't put 3-0 but without pelican and not playing ball idk if they can keep up I have a feeling it can end up like last tourney
north relic
pelican is atlanta's most important player right
raw ermine
he's like their least most important player
he's the best dps
but the support roles and tanks roles only have 1 player at them
so they're more important
wicked pendant
Who you folks got to win Countdown Cup?
north relic
hunters
raw ermine
same
earnest leaf
Hmm
Hunters haven't been tested by a team close to them yet this stage
as in they faced the bottom 4 apac teams this stage
Charge/spark/nyxl/valiant
tawdry hamlet
Seoul is really the only team in the tourney that is close to them to be fair, like the only competitive games they could have had even with their easy schedule were fusion and seoul since shanghai weren't trying
like even if their schedule wasn't ez af, only two teams would have tested them much
earnest leaf
Hmm
think i'm gonna believe in atlanta a bit more
Although they have no pelican, they still went 4-0 with a pretty difficulty schedule
tawdry hamlet
LAG are the only ones I am unsure of, I personally don't think Atlanta's off ball comp is good enough, it might be able to get second maybe
balmy wolf
atlanta wins cc
earnest leaf
Why are you assuming atlanta mirrors ball
balmy wolf
ez clap
earnest leaf
Did people forgot hawk legit said they lose if they mirror dive 
tawdry hamlet
I am not, I said their off ball comp isn't good enough
earnest leaf
They'll force the rein and orisa comps
tawdry hamlet
I just worry it will be like last time where atlanta dominates na in the orisa and then come in and can't counter ball at all
I hope not
though
earnest leaf
they shit on dallas who ran ball stuff
balmy wolf
atl has map pick
earnest leaf
Shock did the same with the same comps too
balmy wolf
so they win 3-2
north relic
Although they have no pelican, they still went 4-0 with a pretty difficulty sche...
with pelican though
feral zodiac
Ir1s so good
earnest leaf
But I mean the more I look at chengdu's schedule
The less I trust them
They faced dogshit teams and never got tested properly
tawdry hamlet
im not sure really, anyone could win, I think LAG will mirror ball and come 3rd or 4th depending on if either Seoul or Atlanta shit the bed
earnest leaf
I know they're good, but how good in this meta?
ivory stag
ready to see the pharah mercy spam this weeend with the hunters
tawdry hamlet
but for me at least chengdu is a lock for finals
earnest leaf
I trust seoul a lot more than chengdu
Like I said earlier, I think the orisa comps are better than the ball comps
like when glads beat shock, granted they won a map or two using ball, they ended up having to mirror orisa for majority of the maps
both shock/atlanta stomped out dallas who tried to run dive
dallas got so desperate they tried to mirror rein vs shock
tawdry hamlet
Idk, we thought the na orisa thing was good last month and then we came in unprepared af and had to take so much shit from apac simps 
so I'm a little scared to trust na lmao
earnest leaf
iirc NA was playing a lot of winston last stage
balmy wolf
they suck
balmy wolf
horny little wieners
earnest leaf
But I think now the orisa cree torb shit can smother out dive comps if played well enough
tawdry hamlet
Chengdu have one of the best players in the world at every role and specifically relevant heroes this month besides off tank tho so I trust them more than Seoul, although Gesture ball unironically looks so much better
Than usual
earnest leaf
It just out puts so much more damage than orisa/sombra/tracer
idk chengdu's schedule just makes me doubt them
tawdry hamlet
If anyone could get cree orisa to work it's Kai and Atlanta
next mesa
fits is gonna shut down jinmu ggez
hot onyx
Is Pelican going to be playing or did his lung collapse so hard that he can only play mercy?
next mesa
Pelican not even in hawaii
earnest leaf
Pelican can technically play
balmy wolf
Is Pelican going to be playing or did his lung collapse so hard that he can only...
hes playing with ur mom
earnest leaf
just would be on high ping
next mesa
he was in the hospital
balmy wolf
so he cant play ow
next mesa
when the plane departed my guy
tawdry hamlet
I think Kai is the best Mcree in this tourney tbh
hot onyx
hes playing with ur mom
Great, Pelican would be a cool stepdad
next mesa
easily fits 😎
balmy wolf
Great, Pelican would be a cool stepdad
true
north relic
Like I said earlier, I think the orisa comps are better than the ball comps
chengdu arent bad at orisa either though
earnest leaf
Ans better cree than them all 
hot onyx
Fits (on a good day) > Kai = Birdring > Jimmy > Fits (on a bad day)
tawdry hamlet
Yeah the meta really annoying for the teams with snipers that we want to see play
hot onyx
Oh shit yeah Leave is funky
next mesa
Ans better cree than them all <:EZ:733093487909797919>
UNTRUE 😎 FITS SUPREMACY
tawdry hamlet
Give us fucking ans on his good heroes again pls
No ans Sombra, we demand sniper
hot onyx
So many players that have been hyped have fallen flat
earnest leaf
ngl ans looks back to normal
His cree is just nasty like before
But widow isn't meta and ashe is banned so he gets limited
tawdry hamlet
Tragic
hot onyx
Mag, Rascal, LiGe (in the sense of not playing) Viol2t, Cr0ng
earnest leaf
Viol2t's zen still looks nutty at least
tawdry hamlet
Tbf crongs team just sucks ass he got kariv Mandu for a backline and Rio for a duo kek
He still eats hella ults
hot onyx
Yeah that’s kinda true
tawdry hamlet
Rascal was the sad one for me
How'd he get so much worse
Really everyone just caught up to him
hot onyx
I was hyping for a Carpe-Rascal duo since November and the hype died like Fusions hope of ever winning a title
earnest leaf
maybe being on shock makes you look 10x better than you really are
it would be interesting to see the players on other teams
Like twilight on a different team, is he still godly?
Or something like super being a perma starter MT somewhere
tawdry hamlet
I was hyping for a Carpe-Rascal duo since November and the hype died like Fusion...
Heh this can be read two ways, for the player fusions or the team the fusion
That settles it super and twilight are headed to Vancouver
earnest leaf
super would retire before going to a worse team
hot onyx
Heh this can be read two ways, for the player fusions or the team the fusion
To be fair, Fusions would’ve needed to have a chance in the first place for it to die
tawdry hamlet
Changsik is so dope as a guy I hope they keep him just for that since titles hopes are pretty dead anyway
north relic
Rascal was the sad one for me
the saddest for me was ivy
tawdry hamlet
north relic
ivy was like rascal
tawdry hamlet
Saddest for me was philly loll
next mesa
Like twilight on a different team, is he still godly?
YES
just look at titans bro
that mans' been feeding bumper for years
feral zodiac
I think rascal isn't fussed anymore
tawdry hamlet
Eqo is better anyway rascal was a place holder before shockwave eqo carpe lineup
next mesa
not with that sombra performance
next mesa
ans what a beast 😩
worn falcon
Like twilight on a different team, is he still godly?
Twilight to bench Alarm 
feral zodiac
I think the only player on shock right now that would 100% do just as well in any other team is ans
willow tartan
really?...
feral zodiac
Yes
willow tartan
nero on most other teams would be an upgrade
willow tartan
glister is also a nasty sniper
smurf is a top 2 winston
super is one of/best rein in the world
feral zodiac
It is hard to know with tanks
willow tartan
fdgod would 1000% do better in not shock
willow tartan
fdgod would get more playtime on valiant so he'd be doing better than he is currently
feral zodiac
True, but then he'd be on valiant so still an L
willow tartan
but still performing better than now
:)
but yes seoul will beat atlanta
probably
maybe.
i dont have any faith in any of the teams i just want to see seoul win
feral zodiac
I have no faith in anyone on seoul that isn't a dps
willow tartan
gesture 
next mesa
Profit Fits maybe Creative are the only championship caliber pieces imo
next mesa
Gesture on hog/playoffs yeah maybe
noble nexus
nah gesture hog has been deadlifting seoul this season
hot onyx
“Profit always turns up for playoffs” https://youtu.be/xlR1fKyIkyU https://youtu.be/7bGi76b1qcE
earnest leaf
heh viol2t is on ana
north relic
“Profit **always** turns up for playoffs” https://youtu.be/xlR1fKyIkyU https://y...
yea profit destroyed here easy sweep
sigma was in the game when profit was on london?
north relic
what season did profit join seoul
willow tartan
s3?
hot onyx
S3
willow tartan
probably
north relic
michelle would be dva wouldnt he
willow tartan
proper aspen
guys my pick em worked after deleting cookies and shit 
next mesa
lost to sbb bastion no shame
balmy wolf
i'm so confused about which stream to watch for the league because there are 3 at the same time xD which is the correct one to get points?
trail perch
“Profit **always** turns up for playoffs” https://youtu.be/xlR1fKyIkyU https://y...
profit didnt play bad in either of these games
london just was kinda fucked here
balmy wolf
anyone know?
trail perch
the official owl one is the way to go
balmy wolf
on their youtube where i watch theres 3 streams for the same time xD
day 1 / day 2 and finals streams
balmy wolf
xD which is why i'm so confused xD all of them scheduled for the same time xD
but i bet i won't be able to get 35 league points today xD
devout path
xD which is why i'm so confused xD all of them scheduled for the same time xD
Same time different days
Who’s ready for some BAD overwatch
tawdry hamlet
balmy wolf
only have 1 correct guess to which stream is correct and be ready to win or lose it all in todays Confusing Scheduled Streams only on Antarctica TV
sullen berry
Who’s ready for some BAD overwatch
Starved
tepid ibex
Likely Fleta for goats unless he was the brig?
fleta brig, fits zarya
tropic herald
seoul messed around a lot w dps players in goats
dark linden
Who ya'll voting for MVP in league?
tepid ibex
munchkin played sombra and so did michelle right?
tepid ibex
Who ya'll voting for MVP in league?
LIP
tepid ibex
LIP too sexy, he is MVP
tropic herald
michelle played sombra yes
i remember fleta was on zarya some maps too
and illicit brig
dark linden
Im voting for Sparkle
Mans is fine asf
Saw him live in Dallas for Battle for Texas
tepid ibex
also fearless and fielder are more important to dallas probably
dark linden
Fearless is goated
tepid ibex
fearless carried the first half of dallas' season
dark linden
Especially against the Dragons
tepid ibex
yes
tepid ibex
i would vote izayaki MVP but i know he'll never get it, pain
forest raven
Unless Chengdu goes wild and Leave fucks in the CC, Lip deserves it
tepid ibex
either leave, fearless, LIP or sp9rkle
dark linden
Not gonna lie Ive been fairly impressed with Justice this season
forest raven
Wha
tepid ibex
impressed..?
forest raven
Huh
dark linden
Like as a team they have been getting better
tepid ibex
they are probably the biggest let down ngl
dark linden
They beat the glads and I started paying more attention
forest raven
Like as a team they have been getting better
They've literally gotten worse the entire season
tawdry hamlet
They have been better than last year yeah but with the roster they have middle of the pack is kind of weaksauce
tepid ibex
they shouldve been a top team
forest raven
tepid ibex
but for most of the season they were in sleeper mode
forest raven
"They have been getting better"
tepid ibex
going 2-2 and 1-3
tawdry hamlet
Well tbf glads should have been a top team too But they constantly fell short 
next mesa
just had popeye's ghost pepper chicken
2/10 not spicy at all the fuck
oops
off topic
tawdry hamlet
next mesa
seoul win
dark linden
Agreed not spicy
next mesa
hunters making it
forest raven
Chengdu 
tepid ibex
birdring going to fuck
next mesa
unless birdring soldier
worn falcon
yeah i cant see LIP eatin popeye ghost pepper chicken
tawdry hamlet
Florida was a letdown because they made the mistake of choosing the wrong main tank, or at the very least subbing one in that doesn't play the role
dark linden
^^^^^^
next mesa
yeah i cant see LIP eatin popeye ghost pepper chicken
LIP would devour it like a chad and then fuck some people in the lobby
bro that spiciness was a joke
tawdry hamlet
They literally could have been a top 5 team all season if they'd just done the right comps lmao
forest raven
You can't say Florida was a letdown and turn around and say Washington improved
tepid ibex
glad boston are still in the play-ins 
tawdry hamlet
Florida sadge
next mesa
1 million scoville more like 1000
dark linden
Justice being carried by one of their DPS
tawdry hamlet
Washington and LA Technically improved because they were bottom of league last year but with the rosters they've had they haven't done as well as we thought they would because Atlanta just kept stopping them from making tourneys loll
forest raven
Justice was the worst team in NA in the CC
tawdry hamlet
tepid ibex
Washington and LA Technically improved because they were bottom of league last y...
glads at least made a tournament
tawdry hamlet
Finally did yeah loll I would have felt so bad for moth if he went to la and they didn't
Because that roster is so good individually lmao
north relic
Did moth even play this tourney
forest raven
Why would he
tawdry hamlet
No
tepid ibex
skewed so good
tepid ibex
skewed mercy also kinda clean
balmy wolf
ironically enough skew is a flex support
tawdry hamlet
Meanwhile in Chengdu, yeah we have a top 3 ana, top 3 zen, two top Mercy's, and a support on the bench
balmy wolf
the only way he be subbed out is if rush was meta
next mesa
skewed zen was pretty good
tepid ibex
yes
north relic
Look how low Boston sos was
north relic
How did Washington do so bad with a low sos
forest raven
Because they fucking suck
forest raven
Washington is the worst team in the goddamn league
tawdry hamlet
forest raven
With the level of talent they have
tepid ibex
With the level of talent they have
valiant exist
forest raven
And the absolute lack of accomplishing anything with it
dark linden
Not you thinking they better than Valient lmao
forest raven
Everyone expected Valiant to go 0-16
tepid ibex
i think theyd also dumpster guangzhou
next mesa
remember when people thought valiant could win 1 game
balmy wolf
wash was expected to be top 5 na, not bottom 5
forest raven
Washington shit the bed harder than anyone thought possible
tepid ibex
choisewhan and crong cant carry that hard
tawdry hamlet
To be fair Titans and London went against each other which gave them free maps hence the better differential
next mesa
like "nah no way another winless season"
north relic
wash was expected to be top 5 na, not bottom 5
Wash was top 5 in general preseason
forest raven
wash was expected to be top 5 na, not bottom 5
Most people thought Washington would be top 3
forest raven
Decay?
balmy wolf
valiant almost went entirely winless this season with only 2 maps won
forest raven
More like fucking Defraud
forest raven
God Washington makes me mald
tawdry hamlet
It's coaching and backline imo. Fury literally has lost his brain this year without kdg
earnest leaf
Also justice coaching is sas
north relic
What are some good supports for next year
tepid ibex
contenders or league supports?
forest raven
Ultraviolet
dark linden
Moira will still be in meta 100%