I think Seoul is gonna be 4th reign 3rd glads 2nd and Chengdu 1st
#esports-discussion
devout path
devout path
No way Chengdu doesn’t win right
balmy wolf
U want feet?
willow tartan
seoul 1st chengdu 2nd atlanta 3rd glads 4th is my pred
north relic
I think Seoul is gonna be 4th reign 3rd glads 2nd and Chengdu 1st
glads 2nd
plush grail
paris > ur fav team
trail perch
more faith in seoul
devout path
And absolutely no faith at all in Seoul
willow tartan
the most consistent top team in the league
plush grail
seoul is litearlly
learn 2 type dumbass
sacred trellis
lol
mortal abyss
Woah
sacred trellis
pretty sure @willow tartan is a server mod here
devout path
I’m so excited for me and Luigi to lose round 1 of the playins
balmy wolf
Sure
willow tartan
i moderate the subreddit
north relic
I’m so excited for me and Luigi to lose round 1 of the playins
sure
devout path
I actually own the server
willow tartan
I’m so excited for me and Luigi to lose round 1 of the playins
nahh
paris/boston will beat justice
depending on who fights them
fuck justice
balmy wolf
I have tasty feet yes
devout path
paris/boston will beat justice
Justice doesn’t pick paris right
Boston immediately loses to first seed
trail perch
You know what I want to see
Decay Echo
I just have this feeling that hed be nutty at it
plush grail
i moderate the subreddit
AHAHAHAHHAAHHAHAAH AHAHAHAHAHAH loser
willow tartan
loser???
balmy wolf
Yeah
willow tartan
talk to my 150,000 karma, plebeian
balmy wolf
What a nerd
willow tartan
on another level than u
devout path
Marbel
trail perch
talk to my 150,000 karma, plebeian
touch grass
willow tartan
bro i have 36 silvers, 22 golds and 6 plats stfu
devout path
How do you feel about no pelican Atlanta
trail perch
touch some fucking grass
willow tartan
ill touch your grass if you dont stfu
Atlanta dont need pelican this stage
Pharah isnt gonna be run
edison tracer can play
trail perch
ill touch your grass if you dont stfu
sorry i have a partner
north relic
who wins paris v defiant in play ins?
balmy wolf
How do you feel about no pelican Atlanta
I’m scared but if we play tracer it’s fine
trail perch
talk to me when im single tho
devout path
who wins paris v defiant in play ins?
Defiant
devout path
No
plush grail
i want to believe in paris
who asked
north relic
do any of you think boston beats justice?
willow tartan
but i want paris to lose
gusty rampart
who wins paris v defiant in play ins?
Eternal
willow tartan
because ian supports paris
devout path
How can you like paris
plush grail
memeicus give me your reddit acc
gusty rampart
Good players
devout path
do any of you think boston beats justice?
100% but Boston doesn’t play justice
plush grail
because ian supports paris
i dont like how you are all learning to use my name
barren quest
Is Justice even in play ins
devout path
Yeah
balmy wolf
Yes
gusty rampart
Yes
willow tartan
How can you like paris
cause i liked them last year
north relic
100% but Boston doesn’t play justice
you think justice picks paris over boston?
willow tartan
they were the team I was rooting for in NA
i cant just stop liking them
and change sides
devout path
you think justice picks paris over boston?
No I think first seed picks Boston
gusty rampart
Mayhem, Titans, NYXL, Spitfire, Charge, and Valiant aren't in play ins
willow tartan
thats atrocious
north relic
No I think first seed picks Boston
?????
gusty rampart
Time to support Shock and Dragons full time
willow tartan
Time to support Shock and Dragons full time
Neither is Shanghai or Fuel
north relic
No I think first seed picks Boston
Match 1: Washington Justice vs. [Paris Eternal / Boston Uprising]
Match 2: Toronto Defiant vs. [Paris Eternal / Boston Uprising]
The winners advance. The losers are eliminated.
Round 2:
The #4 seed gets to pick their opponent out of the round 1 winners. The #5 seed plays the team not picked. So:
Match 3: [Gladiators/Reign/Shock] vs. [match 1 winner / match 2 winner]
Match 4: Houston Outlaws vs. [match 1 winner / match 2 winner]
4th and 5th seeds get a bye
willow tartan
so basically between boston and paris is whoever fights justice wins
gusty rampart
Nomegalul
north relic
!!lily
young fractalBOT
3-0
north relic
3-0 titans btw
plush grail
!!lily
young fractalBOT
3-0
willow tartan
in the east is fusion vs hz and then winner against seoul/chengdu depending on who loses more
gusty rampart
3-0 Titans
devout path
But then Boston loses anyways to first seed
gusty rampart
Hopefully they get eliminated so I don't have to fucking inhale anymore Boston fans limited hopium
willow tartan
dude the maps glads lost to shock they got ROLLED
devout path
I think both Atlanta and glads make it
gusty rampart
No Pelican is detrimental
willow tartan
not in this meta
north relic
does glads beat reign in a tiebreaker?
willow tartan
map differential
north relic
map differential
they both have +20
but since reign got points for a tourney i think glads win
north relic
oh yea
willow tartan
so they would both have 1 point from a tourney
north relic
so who wins that tiebreaker wtf
willow tartan
yes
balmy wolf
Glads would win
north relic
reign won right
balmy wolf
No
north relic
so glads win tiebreaker?
willow tartan
no?
north relic
what
plush grail
paris wins
willow tartan
i thought glads beat them
balmy wolf
It’s 5-4 for glads
balmy wolf
Not twice
plush grail
it's 5-3 tho for glads
north relic
so who wins the tiebreaker
willow tartan
wait are you sure
the image says match differential
not map differential
wouldnt atlanta win
balmy wolf
It’s 4-5 Luigi
plush grail
it's 5-3
willow tartan
its atlanta
balmy wolf
Ur dumb
balmy wolf
So stfu
willow tartan
the tiebreaker
devout path
It’s match differential
balmy wolf
No
plush grail
12-3
devout path
Not map differential
willow tartan
youre wrong
balmy wolf
Glads win
devout path
Who won more matches
willow tartan
glads won 1
balmy wolf
Match diff is 1-1
north relic
who wins more games against each other
does knockouts count
willow tartan
i have no idea
north relic
is says regular season actually
balmy wolf
But glads win cause map diff
willow tartan
oh
so then it would go to match differential against SHARED OPPONNENTS
thats what it say
north relic
this tiebreaker goes so deep
devout path
Lol
balmy wolf
No
balmy wolf
Glads won 3-1 in jj
willow tartan
tiebreaker d.
north relic
plush grail
balmy wolf
Atl won 3-2
devout path
It never says anything about head to head map differential
Read part e
It shows a difference
balmy wolf
It does matter tho
north relic
we are up to part d though arent we
devout path
Yeah
north relic
any idea who the shared opponents ould be
willow tartan
everyone in the league by now
devout path
Question is it every shared opponent
balmy wolf
No
willow tartan
cause theyve played at least 1 match against every other na team
north relic
does every team face every NA team at least once?
balmy wolf
Glads win
balmy wolf
R u dumb
north relic
Question is it every shared opponent
yep
balmy wolf
3-1 > 3-2
willow tartan
IT DOESNT MATTER
devout path
So wait
devout path
Wouldn’t that just be regular season score
willow tartan
its MATCH differential
balmy wolf
It is
willow tartan
you pea brained nut
north relic
Wouldn’t that just be regular season score
it would be but maybe not all teams are counted
devout path
Tell me where it says head to head map differential
balmy wolf
Match diff includes map diff idiot
north relic
what are the map diffs for glads and reign without their matches againist eachother
willow tartan
no it doesnt
willow tartan
actually fkn braindead
plush grail
please stop arguing and just hug
devout path
It clearly shows a difference between the 2
balmy wolf
That’s against shared opps
north relic
please stop arguing and just hug
arguing is the only thing this chat does
plush grail
arguing is the only thing this chat does
remind me of my parents
devout path
Yes it shows a difference between match differential and map differential
ivory stag
arguing is the only thing this chat does
weow no it doesnt ur wrong lol
balmy wolf
No way ur that dumb
devout path
It’s specified both which it did not do for head to head
Which shows that they are indeed separate
north relic
i think map diff head to head does matter for part d
since the worse map diff for head to head means they did better againist shared opponents
devout path
i think map diff head to head does matter for part d
It specifies map diff against shared opponents in part e
north relic
It specifies map diff against shared opponents in part e
i meant for head to head though
devout path
since the worse map diff for head to head means they did better againist shared ...
Not necessarily
north relic
since they have the same map diff the team that did worse againist the other would have the better map diff againist shared opponents right
balmy wolf
Learn to interpret
plush grail
fight figth fight
balmy wolf
Even then I wouldn’t talk to u
devout path
I don’t need to interpret when the rules clearly specifies a difference between the 2
devout path
That there is a difference? I know
balmy wolf
Glads would win
Desk said it
Plat chat said it
U can talk to my hand when u find ur brain
devout path
They said that the head to head match differential includes map differential?
balmy wolf
They said that the head to head match differential includes map differential?
Basically
north relic
so its 4-5 glads
devout path
Show me
willow tartan
just say where you saw it
balmy wolf
I wanna sleep but u brainlets are so dumb
devout path
Cuz casters could not know the rules completely
north relic
just say where you saw it
memeicus is about to dig 15 years deep into jspec twitter
willow tartan
bro the casters couldnt even figure out who was making knockouts
devout path
However spec literally makes the rules so hopefully they would know the rules
balmy wolf
However spec literally makes the rules so hopefully they would know the rules
Me sleep so gn brainlet
devout path
Still no evidence
north relic
marbel can argue in bed but not show evidence
balmy wolf
It’s like arguing with a flat earther
But ur the flat earther
north relic
this tiebreaker only happens if glads get 3rd and reign gets 4th btw
devout path
But ur the flat earther
Go to sleep idiot
north relic
also does shock or glads win tiebreaker
devout path
Literally no way Chengdu doesn’t win
balmy wolf
Go to sleep idiot
Ok u make me wanna not wake up
devout path
Ok u make me wanna not wake up
Ok
willow tartan
okay so just checked all the match differentials against shared opponents
north relic
shock win tiebreaker right againist glads right
balmy wolf
Es win
north relic
LMAO
north relic
glads v shock shock wins tiebreaker right
deft valley
@willow tartan
GLA vs ATL Head to Head Shared Opponent Match Differential
vs Dallas Fuel
GLA 0-1
ATL 1-1
vs Florida Mayhem
GLA 1-0
ATL 1-1
vs Houston Outlaws
GLA 1-0
ATL 2-0
vs Boston Uprising
GLA 2-0
ATL 1-0
vs London Spitfire
GLA 1-0
ATL 2-0
vs Washington Justice
GLA 1-1
ATL 1-0
vs Vancouver Titans
GLA 1-0
ATL 1-0
vs San Francisco Shock
GLA 1-1
ATL 1-1
vs Paris Eternal
GLA 1-1
ATL 1-0
vs Toronto Defiant
GLA 1-0
ATL 1-0
north relic
<@!710655364239982633>
GLA vs ATL Head to Head Shared Opponent Match Differenti...
his legacy lives on
deft valley
i mean he can also talk
devout path
Thank you
willow tartan
Shock wins because they have more regular season wins.
devout path
Fuck zep
north relic
Shock wins because they have more regular season wins.
yea
north relic
Shock wins because they have more regular season wins.
so does reign overall have more wins then for match diff
willow tartan
Yes.
devout path
+3 Atlanta
north relic
so we are back to the question is if does map diff count in head to head match diff
devout path
so we are back to the question is if does map diff count in head to head match d...
No
willow tartan
Atlanta wins the Fuel, Outlaws, Spitfire, Justice and Eternal matchups.
devout path
yea but marbel said jspec said it so im doubtful
I doubt unless I see it
willow tartan
Gladiators only wins with Florida and Boston.
willow tartan
Boston vs Uprising
devout path
So glads have to make it to the finals to get into playoffs then
north relic
yep
devout path
Shock need reign to not win a game OR glads to not make it to finals
north relic
or they win in play ins
north relic
Shock need reign to not win a game OR glads to not make it to finals
yea they only need one of these to happen
devout path
And reign need to win a game OR glads to not make finals
north relic
i think shock is in the best spot here to make it to play offs imo
willow tartan
So glads have to make it to the finals to get into playoffs then
No, they just need to beat atlanta
north relic
No, they just need to beat atlanta
glads dont win tiebreaker tho
north relic
make it to finals
willow tartan
winners/losers finals is 3rd
willow tartan
yes
devout path
Ok then
willow tartan
honestly why are play ins scary
devout path
They aren’t
willow tartan
like in NA play ins are free
devout path
But it’s better safe than sorry
willow tartan
theres houston justice paris and boston
north relic
lily has full belief in boston to roll in play ins
devout path
No
north relic
its just like
yea so like the only good team in play ins is the 4th seed
devout path
If they can beat shock it’s fairly easy
willow tartan
yea so like the only good team in play ins is the 4th seed
mhm
in apac at least theres something to fight for
since before philly lost to seoul it was tight
between cdh/seoul/philly
north relic
play ins 2 teams make playoffs though in NA
willow tartan
yeah so 4th seed literally only need to beat either justice boston or paris
and then houston wins unless they lose against justice boston or paris
devout path
play ins 2 teams make playoffs though in NA
Probs top playins seed and Houston or defiant
north relic
houston probably has the best chance to make it other than 4th seed
devout path
Wait
north relic
houston doeesnt even need to fight the 4th seed
they should make a gf of that anyway though imo
devout path
Isn’t the playoffs top 8?
north relic
Isn’t the playoffs top 8?
yes there are 8 teams going into playoffs
devout path
yes there are 8 teams going into playoffs
So does apac playins only get 1?
north relic
yep
north relic
spark as well
north relic
Basically philly and Seoul fight for playins
seoul/chengdu
willow tartan
there should be 4 imo
true
devout path
Hunters win CC so it doesn’t matter
north relic
i want nyxl to at least have a chance sadge
willow tartan
why cant seoul shanghai chengdu and philadelphia all make playoffs
devout path
True
willow tartan
they deserve it over fkng houston
north relic
why cant seoul shanghai chengdu and philadelphia all make playoffs
half would be apac and NA have 50% more teams
devout path
4 teams from both regions should make it
willow tartan
half would be apac and NA have 50% more teams
yeah but
HOUSTON is getting into playoffs and fusion/seoul/chengdu arent
devout path
Wait are apac teams flying to texas for playoffs as well?
devout path
Yeah
willow tartan
no more copium
north relic
travel far at least
willow tartan
dude its a drive to the stadium
north relic
yea ik
willow tartan
its like 35 km
devout path
Now apac copium /s
willow tartan
yes if shanghai loses im gonna tell all the dallas fans that it was because of travel so it didnt count
north relic
yes if shanghai loses im gonna tell all the dallas fans that it was because of t...
remember to tell only the fuel fans
and reign fans
willow tartan
grand finals will be in LA though so both teams are forced to travel.
Great equalizer
north relic
wait gf is a different place than playoffs?
willow tartan
yes
north relic
thats kinda stupid
devout path
If Shanghai loses to Atlanta remember to complain about how you had to travel and were at a disadvantage and gained nothing from the travel
noble nexus
the gf place has more seats
north relic
If Shanghai loses to Atlanta remember to complain about how you had to travel an...
it’s hard to enjoy Hawaii after coming out here for zero points. Should have won KR no excuses but man that Glads win means literally nothing now. That win means less than if we RNGd a better schedule and played more franchise filler teams in the regular season.
willow tartan
no more travel copium in grand finals
both teams go to LA, play on LAN
No more excuses.
gloves come off
okay thats a stretch we all know playoffs patch is gonna cuck everyone
north relic
was there a playoff patch for s1
willow tartan
i think so
tropic herald
willow tartan
what the math?
tropic herald
Unsurprisingly, the bottom 3 had some of the hardest SoS
north relic
yea being a bad team means a harder sos
north relic
i mean how many meaningful wins have they had
willow tartan
none
north relic
like wins againist top teams
willow tartan
they beat dallas
north relic
all i remember is glads but nothing else
north relic
a sandbagging dallas
ivory stag
why is there 50 of same mod in mod roles on right
earnest leaf
that's why the 16 game season is so meh
Some teams get a lot easier time
Like some teams got to face london/titans in the same stage
which is two free wins
willow tartan
Chengdu fighting hangzhou/guangzhou/nyxl/valiant in the same stage
wtf i just randomly got owl tokens
but like
only 5 tokens
???
wide minnow
What u mean
willow tartan
the game just gave me 5 owl tokens from nowhere
ivory stag
KEK
north relic
are you a 6th grader or smth
north relic
https://twitter.com/ow_nero/status/1427754546596511748
yea it was fdgod's fault
trash main support player
bring back moth
raw ermine
levy's legit doing sequences
tacit skiff
novel nebula
wat happen to pelican
trail perch
collapsed lung
ivory stag
id be happy if they somehow won it but at same time would suck that pelican wouldnt be there and what not
novel nebula
r.i.p
wild cape
https://twitter.com/ow_nero/status/1427756036711059457
shock fans moment
digital cloud
I am not exactly someone that thinks fans are reasonable, nice people a lot of the time, but I never really get what pros think they are gonna get out of pointing that out
willow tartan
I am not exactly someone that thinks fans are reasonable, nice people a lot of t...
I don't know for sure as I don't use Twitter but I think it is a platform for people to share their thoughts with ppl that follow them and this seems to be an expression of frustration.
It's not like a call to action or a cry for help or demanding change, it's more of a "man this shit sucks ass"
digital cloud
I suppose so, I just don't usually complain about things like that to such a potentially wide audience when it is more of a "get it off my chest" sort of thing
I suppose I am just not inclined to it
I always figured that people had more of a "point" to it, but I think what you are saying makes sense as to why
noble nexus
I mean when you have an audience that he does and his frustration pertains to said audience
it's reasonable
digital cloud
I mean, I am not saying people shouldn't be allowed to do so, I just don't think that particular situation is the sort of thing that ever really is gonna go away
maybe it is pessimistic of me, idk
willow tartan
its not but you can be upset and vent about it on your personal twitter acc
noble nexus
it's near impossible to change an entire group of people's minds like that when people mindlessly blame glister and fd for shocks shortcomings but I mean he's fine to speak his mind on it
ivory stag
this is why you root for a team on a heavy loss theres never drama of comp with teams like that lol
noble nexus
pretty sure you had SFS in your name for like 2 months
then again you shittalked your own team during that time
ivory stag
i never said i wasnt a fan of sfs tbh sfs is a team i like only cause their skin color scheme and cause nero lol
i like mayhem and yaki more
noble nexus
yeah either your team kinda sux
willow tartan
this is why you root for a team on a heavy loss theres never drama of comp with ...
This is why you root for the Valiant. No fans = no drama
ivory stag
exactly my point i was trying to make
i dont do it but its good point for others lmao
ivory stag
This is why you root for the Valiant. No fans = no drama
and before they end going on a like 4 yr win streak next year
ivory stag
idk my dad he was inprisoned for like murder or someshit when i was a kid sooooooo
sure
north relic
Wait jaws isn’t casting owl anymore?
willow tartan
wait what
willow tartan
Wait jaws isn’t casting owl anymore?
no his contract ended so hes looking for work in the off season i think?
feral zodiac
The beginning of the end
willow tartan
vikkis done for the season too
north relic
Are all apac casters done
north relic
So they aren’t sure for next year
willow tartan
well no
contracts are yearly
they announce the casters for the next season in the pre season
north relic
only one caster duo actually lives in apac
Is it achillios?
devout path
I thought avrl was in Australia
worn falcon
who was the other living in korea?
was Wolf right?
unless they send drugged hexagrams to korea
they can hire legday too
all depends how 2022 becomes
devout path
Hire striker to cast
worn falcon
hire ryujehongsexist to cast
noble nexus
hire me to cast
earnest leaf
all the casters did this last season irrc
a lot of them freelance in the off season since they aren't bound to owl year round
earnest leaf
yea they gotta make money somehow
ivory stag
hire me to cast
that would go over so well im sure
noble nexus
Yeah it would
shadow dagger
Yeah it would
i have 100% confidence it would after looking at ur banner
sacred trellis
i think streamers make more money then actual owl players
devout path
No
earnest leaf
Depends on the streamer
xqc? makes more than any owl player guranteed
super? probably makes more off his stream alone than the avg owl player, but I assume some owl players have some fat contracts
devout path
The carpes
Jjonaks
Supers
Probably have massive contracts cuz they’ve been on the same team for so long
Profit probably does too cuz he’s cracked
forest raven
Profit, super, everyone on Dallas, everyone on Philly, probably everyone on Shanghai
Everyone on Shock too ngl
devout path
Profit, super, everyone on Dallas, everyone on Philly, probably everyone on Shan...
Who wouldn’t get a high paycheck on Shanghai other than like
The bench
devout path
Everyone on that roster is basically an mvp candidate
devout path
They all should be
But that would be unfair
Remove profit sparkle and shu put fate void and LJG on the mvp list
They deserve it more
forest raven
True
oak tapir
Only a maximum of 3 players on each team can be nominated as mvp so if you want fate void ljg to be mvps then fleta lip and izayaki would have to be removed
balmy wolf
How do yall feel about Pine being on Dallas.
willow tartan
He's never getting played.
balmy wolf
but wasn't that cause he was in Korea he just got into america?
devout path
Unless some random patch makes hitscan really good pine doesn’t play
balmy wolf
Unless some random patch makes hitscan really good pine doesn’t play
I guess.
devout path
No point not playing the roster that has been working really well all season
willow tartan
I mean since Dallas took a break this tournament cycle they're probably working on integrating pine.
Just in case playoffs meta has hitscan.
willow tartan
You're not accounting for Playoffs Patch™️
devout path
https://youtu.be/oH_UPbAoSEg remember the shitshow that was opening week apac
Look how far we have come
sullen berry
I thought avrl was in Australia
He moved to Australia to fit in with the cool kids who are casting Valorant in the dominant OCE timezone
Since that is what AVRL will be getting up to after Contenders AU/KR is over
https://twitter.com/ChiXiaoTu_OW/status/1427733125598117890?s=19
devout path
That was a while ago
hot onyx
Thinking about the Hangzhou Spark choking against NYXL in the June Joust
Actually now just thinking about the Hangzhou Spark choking their entire season
balmy wolf
yes
sullen berry
Definitely a maybe at this point
I don't see any forthcoming news about a countdown cup skin. Could be delays, or might have missed your chance to get some legacy OWL skins
tawdry hamlet
Considering that it took them 3 months to add the fuel rainbow spray, I am a patient man lmaoo
willow tartan
looking for summer showdown spray
tawdry hamlet
little tusk
what games do u peeps play
willow tartan
overwatch
tawdry hamlet
I like how the eSports channel is like its own community in the community lol
It's kind of cool
willow tartan
ESD>OWD>GD
north relic
yeah the esports channel is where I can talk with reasonable people
???
little tusk
okay..
tawdry hamlet
Tf you mean Luigi is in this channel. That is arguably the least reasonable you can get
little tusk
lui "I have a gf" gi
willow tartan
she goes to another college
noble nexus
You wouldn’t know her she goes to a different school
raw ermine
yeah her college is hogwarts
little tusk
I think I finally discovered how to play mccree
willow tartan
mccree is such a shit hero
its essentially "trust your team"
every hero that requires teamwork is bad
little tusk
unless u have a mercy pocket u just stay with ur team
I always went on flanks, got caught out of position and died
now I just stay near my supps
seems to working
willow tartan
exactly
mccree needs to be babysat by his team or he just dies
literally follow your team simulator
ivory stag
only thing i feel about cree that needs nerfed is his stun i think it should have a tiny tiny bit further throw distance but the radius of its detonation should only affect an enemy hero if it touches their hit box not some general radius where you dont even have to really be looking at the hitbox and it stuns
willow tartan
so you want to make it a direct instead of splash?
how am i supposed to flash over rein shields or around deflects or around corners then
timber whale
how am i supposed to flash over rein shields or around deflects or around corner...
you shouldn’t
little tusk
only thing i feel about cree that needs nerfed is his stun i think it should hav...
then gg genji deflect
willow tartan
you shouldn’t
why not?
willow tartan
dont you think it subtracts from his ability if you cant use it in more ways than just a regular stun
ivory stag
i think that it makes stun fan hammer so ni skilled brain dead only reason why i think direct would be a nerf cause then it would take more game sense and skill when using it
ivory stag
not fun running into a 225 hp target who can hit a shot roll , stun, fan hammer
willow tartan
whether or not you hit the projectile
next mesa
https://youtu.be/oH_UPbAoSEg remember the shitshow that was opening week apac
lol when mykaylee was still playing
ivory stag
or make my mans health 185 or some
ivory stag
he is such a broken hero accept for his ult lmao
timber whale
his ult is the only part bout him that’s not busted
willow tartan
how is he broken when the only time you can run him is if your team plays like one of two comps
ivory stag
only reason he doesnt see much playtime in league is because he one of those picks where if he is picked he so busted everyone hard focuses him lmao
ivory stag
because the entire enemy team focuses him thats why
and why would they focus him cause he is busted
willow tartan
like a mccree is so susceptible to just being deleted that you need to build your entire team composition around the cree to get any value
its the same thing with widowmaker
you just get blown up
ivory stag
how is the highest hp dps so succeptible to being deleted especially when he has a stun cc and a roll to safety its only because he gets hard focused bro
because
he
is
busted
ivory stag
why would an entire team focus him so hard if he wasnt busted?
willow tartan
that means he's a threat not that he's busted
ivory stag
makes no sense
willow tartan
thats like saying why should you focus a pharah in the sky
just leave her be right?
why should we contest the widowmaker
ivory stag
dont even get me started on a pocketed pharah lmao shit is dumb af
splash damage no dmg drop off can shoot rockets into buildings and do dmg when the enemy team cant even get and angle on you
lmao
next mesa
all u need is a dva
ivory stag
she wouldnt be as busted if mercys fly to teammate cooldown was longer
willow tartan
yes the hitscan nerf really made pharah stronger on certain maps
willow tartan
high skybox = just win
ivory stag
nah even high ranked streamers and players even admit that a top tier hitscan struggles against a decent pharah mercy comp
little tusk
yeh phamercy is strong as hell unless ur dumb as brick
use natural cover and spam corners
ivory stag
how many rockets are in her mag?
willow tartan
6
willow tartan
fuck that
timber whale
nah even high ranked streamers and players even admit that a top tier hitscan st...
just play doomfist it’s not that hard lmao
ivory stag
make her hit box size of two roadhogs
willow tartan
ignoring damage output having to reload after 3 shots is just annoying as hell and unfun
from a gameplay standpoint its just dogshit
ivory stag
make the rockets as slow as sym throwing turrets lol
willow tartan
like you could double her rocket damage and make her only have 3 rockets
still dogshit to play
ivory stag
i feel pharah is only a op hero when it comes to her having a mercy pocket without that she can be brought down decently easy
so if mercy fly to friendly went from like 2-3 seconds to like 6 would help fix it i think
just enough time to hit 2-3 consecutive shot to kill her or lower her to ground temporarily for heals
next mesa
mercy with ga on 6 seconds would be so useless lol
ivory stag
exactly they have stalemated the game in terms of hitscan and projectile where one will always be OP to the other theres no real balance for them
either projectile will be meta and hitscan deals 0 dmg or hitscan will be so busted no point in playing proj
next mesa
nah I think its in a good place right now
willow tartan
yeah tbh i think its alright atm
pharmercy is annoying to play against but as long as you coordinate you can take her down
its the difference between actual impact and perceived impact
ivory stag
is there ever truly coordination though all i ever get are lobbies full of 6 ppl in voice comms but never use it lmao
shits annoying
then they use it at end of the lost game to shit talk
willow tartan
dude ive been looking for teams to join for the past two years
but there's 0 teams in my region
literally 0
no one plays in south east asia
my only other choice is learn korean and join korean teams
ivory stag
i look for teams not just ranked but just to have fun in qp and arcade cause no one ever talks funny more comms in a non teambased game like cod than there is OW
ivory stag
my only other choice is learn korean and join korean teams
buy a translater device lol
use it real time
ivory stag
i just wanna do organised play ffs
same looool
ivory stag
Call them the Casual Corgies or some shit loool
sign me up as a tracer/projectile player
willow tartan
deadass in this entire overwatch discord server there's a total of 3 people that play in SEA that i've seen
next mesa
ayo anyone NA east 👀
ivory stag
oof i used to play in sea in pubg and would shred cause latency lol
willow tartan
there's no SEA communities
ive looked around for overwatch sea lfg and shit
nobody
literally dead region
i feel like im living in australia
but at least australia has t2
ivory stag
im always down for qp or arcade shenanigans if any of you ever want to add me Orange#14982
just wanna play with ppl who talk whether its sweat call outs or just shoot shit while giving casual call outs and stuff lmao
willow tartan
i dont care about talking to people or socialising i just wanna game, man
ivory stag
so tired of 6 ppl in voice comms and no one talks and its just get rolled while i am somehow soldier with gold heals or a tank with like 20k gold dmg
north relic
so how is he busted if he is easily deleted from focus fire
isnt that every hero
willow tartan
yes
no hero is busted
I can't really think of any hero that is particularly super busted on their own
It's the combination between heroes and their interactions that makes things meta
ivory stag
i mean if you can get echo down and ball id say they are the closed to being the top tier of busted
or what ever you would call being busted
willow tartan
Really? I would say it's Tracer that's the closest.
ivory stag
i was gonna add her too but i figured someone would be like
north relic
tracer is so high skill it makes sense she is busted
willow tartan
she's not busted
ivory stag
the mechanical skill to laearn tracer for her to be busted makes her not busted comment
north relic
busted compared to other heroes
ivory stag
lol my point right there
willow tartan
and also whether or not something is high skilled should not be relevant
ivory stag
someone just said so
willow tartan
a hero being "high skilled" does not somehow excuse her from the balance team
north relic
a hero being "high skilled" does not somehow excuse her from the balance team
well i dont want a high skill hero to be bad aka genji
willow tartan
Balance is Balance.
ivory stag
i feel ball and echo are kinda like a less mechanic skill like tracer but have a higher rate of over all dmg and health so i feel they are somewhat busted
willow tartan
you can shut down an echo and ball easier than a tracer imo
ivory stag
ball at least his ult could last 2-3 seconds shorters while they on field, his grapple shouldnt be infinite grab, his gatling guns either need dmg drop off or lower dmg or something
north relic
his guns do have drop off
ivory stag
the fact a ball can roll in in half a second out 1v1 any dps and roll away with shields is dumb
for a tank role that is
willow tartan
sombra
ivory stag
his whole kit needs reworked
feral zodiac
Mccree isn't the highest hp dps lol
ivory stag
your joining the convo ten yrs late lmao
feral zodiac
True
willow tartan
Mccree isn't the highest hp dps lol
echo duplicating a monkey and primalling is
feral zodiac
But is echo still a dps when she has copied a tank
feral zodiac
Lmao
north relic
what is monkey's dps without melee
willow tartan
higher than with melee
north relic
yea but what is it
willow tartan
60
nocturne yacht
Reaper ult is the most broken
willow tartan
or kill him.
ivory stag
id say in ult economy wise for bustedness dva has literally two ults selfdestruct and recall mech
or bap he has immort and window
lol
north relic
recall mech>visor
ivory stag
what about worst ult?
north relic
do you reckon there are more remech kills than visor
ivory stag
bastion?
willow tartan
soldier ult
bastion ult actually has use
soldier ult makes you worse
the only use is to zone out pharmercy
ivory stag
i mean most crees only use their to reload lol'
north relic
not really
nocturne yacht
Most useless is mercy ult
north relic
in owl i see it held a lot
mortal abyss
Nah cree ult is zoning
nocturne yacht
Cree is for zoning
nocturne yacht
Mercy is just there flying around
feral zodiac
Worst ult by itself or including the rest of the hero?
ivory stag
i mean at that point just hanzo then it zones applies preassure and has highere chance for kills and dmg
willow tartan
no
timber whale
people who say soldiers ult is the worst are clowns
ivory stag
nah widows is free info for a dive
willow tartan
even infrasight is more useful than visor
feral zodiac
If it's with a dive
north relic
nah widows is free info for a dive
we are saying if its by itself though
feral zodiac
Then it's not by itself
nocturne yacht
Visor is complete ASS
feral zodiac
And why are you running widow with dive
willow tartan
Then it's not by itself
its still denying enemy for 15 seconds
enemy team cant push
feral zodiac
That's true
nocturne yacht
And why are you running widow with dive
I think he meant the enemy team can dive
ivory stag
we are saying if its by itself though
okay give ans that ult by himself and tell me its worse
willow tartan
thats like saying beat is useless because on its own you have no teammates to beat for
feral zodiac
Yes
timber whale
visor isn’t great but it’s better than shit like infra whole hog or meteor shite
north relic
okay give ans that ult by himself and tell me its worse
the ult itself not the hero with it?
willow tartan
????
nocturne yacht
okay give ans that ult by himself and tell me its worse
Ans can’t do shit lmao
willow tartan
how is infra meteor strike and whole hog worse than visor
nocturne yacht
Widows ult by its self is not the best
ivory stag
obv the ult has to be used other wise all ults are worthless
willow tartan
infrasight is basically force the enemy into bad positioning for 15 seconds
feral zodiac
That gets worse as the player gets better
willow tartan
whole hog makes so much space
meteor strike is a free escape and cd reset for doomfist
feral zodiac
Only good thing about it is the lack of falloff
timber whale
visor is a zoning tool too basically stall for a free however long it lasts
nocturne yacht
visor isn’t great but it’s better than shit like infra whole hog or meteor shite
What??? Whole hog doom ult infra is still better than visor, visor you barley secure kills bc if you lock on to someone like a dva, you ain’t getting a kill
north relic
what is visors duration
willow tartan
15 seconds i believe
feral zodiac
Meteor strike is arguably the worst
ivory stag
infra, whole hog, dragon, mei blizz are all better zoning ults compared to visor if we are going zoning route
timber whale
why do people act like visor should be used to get potg 4ks it’s really not it should be used to zone and get 1-2 picks like high noon
north relic
visor is as long as blade?
willow tartan
why do people act like visor should be used to get potg 4ks it’s really not it s...
because that never works out
ivory stag
why do people act like visor should be used to get potg 4ks it’s really not it s...
because in terms of zoning there are better ults on heros who have better impact
willow tartan
visor literally makes you do LESS dps
feral zodiac
Depends on the range
willow tartan
and cant threaten through shields like high noon can
ivory stag
visor = no headshot potential no visor = body plus hs pot
feral zodiac
The best thing about visor is that it can snipe cross map
timber whale
visor literally makes you do LESS dps
why tf would you use visor at closer ranges
timber whale
does visor have a range
it’s very big
feral zodiac
Everything has a range limit but it never comes into account
north relic
im checking the wiki it doesnt say anything about it
ivory stag
I feel if you think soldier and visor is so good you havent put enough time on other heros then
feral zodiac
No one is calling it good
timber whale
soldier is one of my least played hero’s
willow tartan
if its not the worst ult in the game then what is
timber whale
and it’s not good
willow tartan
cause its def not infra metoer strike or whole hog
timber whale
as a hog main using whole hog against more than 1 person who knows your there is a suicide button
feral zodiac
Blade is more of a threat with the right tools
ivory stag
you cant say meteor strike cause even worse case meteor you still use it as a free escape/reset and free abils back
even the worse case meteor still offers something
ivory stag
where as soldiers visor worse case is 6 sec of half zone lol
timber whale
you cant say meteor strike cause even worse case meteor you still use it as a fr...
but an escape ult on a character who already has better ways to escape
ivory stag
i guess so lol
feral zodiac
He doesn't have better ways to escape
willow tartan
but an escape ult on a character who already has better ways to escape
it allows him to hard commit with his abilities
ivory stag
still deff needs reworked and is trash but i wouldnt put it near soldiers ult
feral zodiac
Meteor strike is his best escape
But it's an entire fucking ult usually dedicated to running away or recording flashy clips
ivory stag
but like meme said you can use all abils diving hard getting a pick then get out with it
and in the end you still got a pick
north relic
honestly i rate blade pretty good since it can bait trans and beat
feral zodiac
That doesn't make it a good ult, that makes it an escape with a 60 second cool down
willow tartan
but even then genji cant get blade really fast unless you're running a really free composition
ivory stag
id say soldiers ult is worst and then right behind it is mercy's then dooms
feral zodiac
Mercy's is decent
timber whale
the whole threat of blade is more dangerous than blade itself
feral zodiac
What
willow tartan
its more like the threat of blade being comboed with an ability
feral zodiac
The dangerous thing about blade
ivory stag
I mean stacking nano on it or taking out immort first makes it a pretty ascary threat
feral zodiac
Is that if you don't kill it it will kill you
willow tartan
dry blading is like fake translocating to bait trans
feral zodiac
Big brain
next mesa
Dry blading is just forcing trans with extra steps haha
candid radish
So what’s best ult?
nocturne yacht
immo field
That’s not an-
main canyon
immo field
nah probably widows left click it makes sooo much damage and is hitscan
noble nexus
nah best ult is soldier's shift fr
main canyon
nah sombra can hack him and destroy his kneecaps then he can just walk very slow but widow always has her scope which totally makes sense because you cant hack a digital scope
north relic
bongo has the second highest teamfight winrate but i always see it destroyed really fast in owl