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Ta1yo won't play and he'll be dropped in the off season
FDgod will also probably get dropped
But I assume if all goes well they keep everyone else, but I can see someone like twilight leaving
I wouldn't be surprised to see a swath of retirements from shock after this season 
not imagine
I expect that for the whole league tbh
its factual
i hope so id be so happy for him
Yeah
philidelphia back on their disappointing the masses streak
I don't think Super is
if tay and fd get dropped you know they gonna sign to like spitfire or something and hard carry that team and make sfs rue the day lmao
its their playoff weapon
Wasting potential
he could be popping off so much on another team
^^^
ta1yo was meant to be like Crusty's pet project to see if he'd swag out with coaching but he never gets a chance
if it isnt though then like why whats the point
give Ta1yo to the Uprising pls, complete the Crusty+Striker deal
FD most likely will be dropped
fd makes sense fd should just be a streamer he is to solo one trick to be useful tbh in league
Crusty really did call Mr. God the best player in the world then benched him for Viol2t
did ta1yo play in this season
ta1yo should just become a content creator for the shock
crusty just sounds like an idiot
also a bad year for main supports honestly
Lucio has barely been meta
after how fd played against atl it's understandable
a lot of brig this year
like moth has been benched as much as fdgod at this point on glads
he knew they needed something extra if they wanted to 3 peat
Bro seeing Viol2t on busan downtown says all that needs to be said for Shock's coordination 
trust trust
We got LeeJaeGon tower, so it's worth it.
Viol2t really be playing Main support and super playing off tank
Toronto fucking handed Shock that W
Would not be surprised to see Dallas with Pine and practicing less beat them
Hopefully they hand it to Eternal
I mean shock still hard fucking countered their comp
toronto got one point after first map in the whole series
i think pine is playing today prob cause its his birthday
Ta1yo will win finals mvp
The comp wasn’t right they forced Winston
trust
combo of toronto forcing comps too hard, and shock just countering it really well
sado literally winston 1trick
Ball? Orisa? Rein???
Dallas ain't gonna force monkey the whole series 
he didnt play any of those agains sfs yesterday
Sado monkey 1 trick
Atlanta plays the rein/orisa flat better than Shock and they play the ball as well
gator ball lmao
yes but does atlanta play reinhardt without lucio? exactly!
they wanted to bunker to counter tortonto dive
And they did play ball at the beginning of qualifiers
smurf has a better ball honestly
but
i think like atl said
i think western teams cant beat apac in ball mirror
its just a ball difference
they need like another route
that was on hawk's twitter
i hope paris wins
yes
I think the bunker comps shock/atl run have a higher cap than the ball comps
he said they cant beat apac dive so theyll focus on improving their orisa comp
hawk
I hope Toronto wins
Honestly without Shanghai in the mix western teams can very much challenge eastern teams on ball.
the gesture ball isnt untouchable
yes ball has the highest ceiling easily
gesture ball is fucking ass
okay
No I mean the bunker comp
ill take smurf ball over that chigga all day
I think its map dependent
the orisa/rein cree shit
Some maps favour the orisa
I think the dps can pop off way too hard for the ball comps to deal with eventually
cause we've seen teams like fusion shanghai chengdu and seoul run the orisa
Why dont they play marve1 ball
but other maps* you can get away with the ball and just farm
marvel ball is way better
its like how certain maps you can play pharah
now
the reinhardt has no place
i dont believe in the luico-less reinhardt comps
why do teams run it
its stupid
Only reign and shock run it
More mobile tankier shield to protect dps
byzenith retirement post
Who
the coach that shock JUST SIGNED
I called it at the start of this stage that some random NA team was gonna try to force rein rush
though i expected it to be houston not shock and atlanta
Wait what
byzenith retired??
oh
He is shock's new assistant coach
i was gonna say
my theory makes so much sense its insane
in a week he soaked up all that crusty juice
What are the chances there is an influx of Chinese players if there are a lot of retirements this season
Also
I hate that
Viol2t was looking really good on zen
Of course he is
and twilight's bapt is cracked
sometimes
when ur cracked
u can go off meta
just like GF zen mercy instead of mercy ana
I think all his heroes that were good last year are still good
Who do you think the role stars this season are
silver3
Yw
Also this year Shock has had their best regular season record ever and they've comparatively performed the worst from seasons 2-4 
because they aren't as bad as people put them out to be
I mean
Also going 0-6 in the two qualifier games they've played and straight up not qualifying for the Summer Showdown
That's what happens when teams get better
but I mean look at their losses
shock are new philly 
Shock still have the capacity to beat every team in NA
shock are gatekeepers of top tier
they are never the best but if you beat them you probably are in the top end of the stage
where have i seen this before 🤔
It's just you're either losing to the top teams or trading blows with them
Shock at their best this year loses to Shanghai at their best this year 9/10
No threepeat

nah
shock at their peak can still beat anyone in the league
same for most top teams atm
It's a matter of meta/do they stop trolling for a lot of teams
true
shock at their peak this n that
maintank hog meta and shock would be number 1 in NA
Fusions hog 😎
lmao no
idk how good is jjangu's maintank hog
Super has the best hog in the league
Hog meta implies double sniper
yes
Ans 
Shock would still dumpster a lot of teams in double sniper
2020 playoffs meta
If widow becomes meta shock win
hog metas dont imply double sniper? it just implies poke which might have a sniper but not guaranteed
what makes you think just having a good hitscan is a guaranteed win for shock
Ans
ok?
jjanggu piggy was the tankline making shock not feel so good in korea last year,,,
on hog
scrimbux
Why are we having a conversation about hog main tank
Copium for shock
also for some reason,,,, shock cant beat houston
It's not gonna happen again
yea junkbuck op
Junkbuck probably getting paid 500k
hog mt wouldnt surprise me on new patch tbh,, the buff was kinda sleeper but good
It wouldn't make him meta though
If ball is meta during playoffs shanghai win
not necessarily
it puts them at a big advantage but it also depends on what type of ball we see
given time and practice, dallas
idk, havent seen na actively try to mirror ball comps
Maybe there's a reason for that
id imagine glads would be pretty sick on ball comps
atl trying to hone their orisa comps cause they arent comfortable on ball
If Shanghai doesn't win this year the devs either released another trademarked playoffs patch or they fucked up horrendously
Or chengdu decided to have a phase
ball dva genji soldier ana mercy meta 
Shanghai at full tilt has been unstoppable
Bbbbbut chengdu 3-0'd shanghai
atl won every map on ball comps and ppl still say they are bad on it
when did atlanta win a map against shanghai
never
they literally said it themselves that they arent beating apac on ball comps
And gator on ball against dallas on busan lmao
cause orisa better on some maps
yeah its just better
doesnt mean they are uncomfortable on ball
they are uncomfortable on monke comps
I will admit Gator has pulled out a competent enough ball
But keep the man off monkey
sure
Anyways if Shanghai doesn't win this year and they lose because of a playoffs patch or because they royally fucked up instead of the epic battle we deserve where a team steps up to shanghai and brings out the 8 mapper series
I will be really really disappointed
Gonna get knocked out of playoffs by seoul again 
If seoul play up to shanghai's level then idc
its good ow
but if its omega cucked by a playoffs patch i will cry
All Gesture needs to do is not feed
if shd truly are the best
And ProFits can do their thing
playoff patch shouldn't matter
Whos playing today
That's a stupid argument
paris toronto,
then dallas shock
then winner of first plays atlanta
then winner of second plays glads
Was shock the best in season 3? What if there was a niche meta that made some other random team super overpowered. What if blizzard changed the game format to 4v4?
im gonna be hella confused if glads beef
You can't truly have a "best team" because no team can be the best at everything
Shock was the best in s3
I mean yeah Shock was the best in season 3
The only time they didn't adapt fast enough was summer showdown hard genji meta
i think shock was best at those hog comps but i wouldve loved to see a diff meta
okay what if blizzard devs pushed a patch that made ow a 1v1 bastion elimination match
like imagine if we got hawaii last year
Part of what makes a team the best is their ability to flex through metas
Paris eternal vs Guangzhou charge
sparkle v eileen
who got darted
we still havent seen it
eqo
was he tracer
aprita leave incoming
Is aprita a contenders warlord 
yes
Nice
@next mesa back me up
that was nasty regasdless
there's so many cracked Chinese supports who would you put in the world cup team
rip
Dallas 1-3 Shock
Toronto 2-3 Paris
I can't possibly be ratio'd. It's just not in my DNA. Doctors diagnosed me at birth with an immunity to ratios and I'm the only one with this immunity I got to name it: Ratiomunity. If you try to ratio me you will simply fail, it's just not in the world's system, it's impossible

The SMM actually engaged with them 
anyway back on the playoffs topic I firmly believe that blizzard should stick to one patch a couple of months before playoffs so teams can refine that one comp as much as possible and find the best strats
even spitfire aint having it
i need this acc to be deactivated im so tired of seeing them
lol
lol theyre like yeah you did better than us
he's not wrong
they admit it
smm doing fine work
gotta love it
ans vs pine time
what are the chances Dallas takes the knockouts seriously
ans wins regardless
just to screw with shock
They've said they're calling it quits on this one
very Shanghai thing to do
oh for real
Actually since shock is already locked in for playoffs they want to give it to shock
and nobody else
they did it to seoul
dallas gonna whip out pine and boom shock
yey
once n for all
pine turning on aimbot tonight
wot did shanghai do to screw with then
Every single stage without fail Seoul has lost to Shanghai
yeah
Shanghai's thing is losing 3-2 to Seoul twice last year when it mattered
And every single stage without fail this year Seoul has also went 3-1
Seoul should have gone 4-0 but they kinda threw against Shanghai
Had to stay consistent
honestly Seoul has been doing really really good
Seoul's regular season record is one map below Shanghai's
The only teams they've lost to was philly when philly was on their 4-0 may melee hot streak and the Shanghai dragons
where would you guys place Seoul if they played in NA?
shanghai ruined theyre 4-0 mm
If Seoul was in NA they would have gone to Hawaii like twice already
yeah lol
actually I can see that
NA is free
Dallas reduced their scrims and played mostly a comp they were uncomfortable on and still qualified
Shanghai almost qualified themselves too, they had to actively throw
you could say that about any APAC team in NA apart from the Valiant
Because NA is free
And Guangzhou
and philly
Guangzhou cracked, best team APAC
but philly is philly
bruh
true
overhyping apac as usual
wow
trust me guys they'll go on a hot steak during the playoffs and then fall short in the semi finals
philly got this
always do
no one unironically says Guangzhou is good
bro this is taken straight out of a sonic game and no one can tell me otherwise
is owl soundtrack copyrighted
Charge re-signed Sungwoo and they had their best stage yet immediately afterwards
it'd be sad if I can't use these beats
hes saying na is free
choisehwan is wasted on charge
I never said Charge would go to Hawaii if they were in NA
fr
I said Seoul would
For knockouts yeah, cause there's 6 knockout slots
owl s4 has some bangers 
owl s5 cant compare
what teams in NA are always going to go to knockouts?
besides dallas
reign
reign
paris
In apac it's all but confirmed that seoul shanghai chengdu make knockouts
shock maybe and houston
Boston if they didn't suck
in na you have teams like Paris and Florida being able to make knockouts cause there's more spots
hell Toronto was in during may melee too
isnt philly in
philly got in this stage and may melee
reign
are they in the playoffs
no
ah
the race is now between Chengdu and Seoul
Who gets more league points gets locked in
i say chungdu
As it is for Glads and Shock
balanced
Neros name is Charlie? Relatable.
lol
Charlie is such my name
Tor vs paris is first match today right?
suffering from success
Then winner of match 1 vs Atlanta
The GLOW UP
goddman
I wanna be nero when I grow up
nero my man
mah boy nero looking healthier
video of custa getting headshot by pine
lol
" look thats me "
who do you think will wing between Dallas and Shock?
shock
Shock
fuel don't want to win and their best choice is giving it to shock
shock prob but who knows
Ayo this music kinda groovy
i'm gonna stand with dallas 
probably wrong but who cares really
any shockers
🕺🏻
die fast
eat ass
play pine
Has the reign made it to countdown cup yet?
🔊🎵🎶🎵🎶
Reign needs to beat the winner of Toronto/Paris to make it
So yeah they're going to Hawaii
Epic
Violated michelle with those clips
Paris doubters
Reinforce flip flops 😄
reinforce throwing preds in the trash
because Reinforce flopped his prediction, thus flip flops
Send toes
it is literally how that footwear is called 🙂
Why they talkin bout waffles
idk I'm kinda hungry
Just ate supper
naist in toronto lose
Toronto throwing
man i just dont like toronto at all
Toronto are tactically throwing so they don't have to fight Atlanta
big brain

Lijiang best map
busan
busan has the more variety imo
Sado more like bado
lijang too reliant on enviromental kills for my liking
sub in aspire cowards
Big brain emp
ok na1st is actually doing well
oh wow, thats a first. there is no companions streams going on
oh man
Paris are throwing why are they not subbing in Benbest and Poko?
cursed
bless
Hadi best
old and determined
Old and dead
old and washed
young and bored
Old and dogshit
old and ded
young and boring
????
I don't understand how people die to bombs like that
I don't understand how it's not being eaten
everyday in scrims, I lose both my dps to a bomb that's been sitting on point
I thought they were on about pulse bomb
i get players just sit in spawn for a minute or more
are you not watching the stream?
No
That pulse bomb is probably a ping thing honestly
naga pharah gap
vestola got a double dva bomb
in the dumbest spot btw
Where
It’s out of los
hot damn
damn
You see the corner
Oni what
ok
courtyard infront of the point, Lijang night market
thats balanced
Eu > Na
did eu win owwc?
Onigod is actually a monster
don't think they did
Yes
sk is eu
Up the ra
where is team Russia
ah yes. the country of europe
Moscow Mountaineers
They're fighting the second omnic crisis
imagine in season 6 Russia explodes onto the overwatch scene
Nlaer comes back
It's a known fact that russians are good at dying games
So they surely come to ow soon
gr
When ow2 comes they will.
pain is eternal
ow3*
tor shit
Its paris not pain 🤦🏻♂️
Na Vi is killing it in valorant rn
ew valorant
maybe they'll enter ow
True
the overwatch killer
Na Vi also still omega cracked in CSGO
just like Pre Owl
The only thing that can kill overwatch is overwatch
They won a major recently
blizzard
Same way the only thing that can kill wow is wow
blizzard can
^^^^^
imagine Pumper in Valorant
I want S1mple to play widow
Overwatch = overwatch dev team
I used the Overwatch to destroy the Overwatch
Is that too much to ask
hahahahaha
There's a Korean contenders player that goes by the name simple.
toronto sucks
Toronto is okay
ua high school
No
Yes
Torb diff
Aspire needs to play
What's score
0-0
I hope limerick wins
They probably will
final fight uh oh
vestola
whats that site that tracks mvp votes?
he's eaten so many dragons
niiiice
paris
lmao
Aspire needs to play
toronto should play their best player
yeh Aspire owned Paris last time
logix?
You look 60
We both have as at the start
Aspire is like 18
I am 61
Aspire is a handsome man
False
I am not a virgin
So?
how is this eSports discussion
He's 18
How is it not?
holy shit hes here
whos
Aspire
ooh we finally get an aspire cam
maybe
Sparkle pine would be goated
Yakima looking good
Paris bad
tor shit
so is defiant
Paris worse
I hate Canadians tho
so you dislike a team cause their ethnicity isnt that racism?
why
I never said I didn't like the defiant
I hate it so much
not you
changsiks mic i cant
I dislike french people
this
Who the fuck thought that video was a good idea
lmao
Most people there are rude
And then who the fuck thought it was a good idea to play it twice
The entire owl
ew france 
U got the right idea
This is the real reason owl lost sponsors
lol
killed all of their ears
Lol
lol
Vestola us just so much better. Who was the other player again?
Ellivote
Pupopapepi
I see a kyle
the weird type of kyle not the meme chad like kyle
he be the type of kyle to smell your shoes
Yea
Craig
Sorry
bruh the name craig is disgusting after that youtube pedo
Who?
miniladd
I don't remember him
good
I didnt know that his name was craig
K
Why isn't aspire an mvp canidate
cause he bad
are you joking
he is what you call the best of a bad situation lol
aspire an MVP candidate? that's just outrageous
toronto hasnt had any success, hes come in halfway through the season, and also he just isnt proven to be at that caliber, at least not yet
they are basically like the outlaws lol
Soon retired
yaki!!!!
He moved to valorant
wait it stuck???
how did it get eaten
theyre playing on high ping
yes cause they're playing from Europe
no
Brig died and it fell off
LOLOLOL
if aspire had been playing all season and toronto get a little bit of success then you could maybe talk about him as a canditate for ROTY although thats obviously pelican
I hate my team
C9
I hate them
WHAT
that was fucking winnable as well
this would have been a perfect defense if it weren't for the tick
good shit vestola
ohhh i see
That's a proper c9
C9
either way who ever wins here is getting hard crushed in brackets
c9
That's actually a proper full blown c9
Vestola c9
oof
Shock fuel
Pine time
pine vs ans lets go
does anyone know the map loss streak of naist vs the map win streak of aspire?
Naist lost 3 vs paris aspire lost none
honest question
why do people think pine is as good as ans
or will keep up with him in a widow duel
lol aspire
hopium
Cause pine was super hyped up and romanticized
nostalgia lol
everyone wants pine to do well
but not a lot of people actually think he'll compare
Defiant lmao
but with no pressure who knows 
pretty sure that was aspire
I think aspire said that
therefore he's allowed to say it
diem is the only or one of the few to compare with ans or the other way around
because he's their deadlift
Aspire is about to get his shit rocked
oof
Aspire rlly good
this match is like spitfire vs titans the two worst teams in knockouts battle it out lol
Definitely deserves a better team
true
Diem the greatest widow to touch the game
Whoever wins looses to Atlanta anyway
Aspire has won 4/4 maps now in two matches
toronto shit
sad that he retired
yeah but who wins is the question
the pressure got to him iirc, too stressed to play OWL
tbf he wasnt use that much anymore
Didnt ans like revolutionize widow
ans at his peak was still better than diem
He wasn't playing because he was super stressed out
diem was still nutty but ans was something else
yeah thats wot his statement said iirc
that's what was mentioned in his retirement
So was ans
Ans's whole thing is how consistent he was
fr
he would walk into a match

Ans was consistent AND flashy
Ans unironically carried S3 shock
I still firmly believe that Diem pound for pound was the better Widowmaker, just that Ans was on shock
who had a scary roster to begin with
I mean diem was on shd
who wasn't bad last season
I meant during the grand finals match up the reason that ans kept up and played up was because of shock team
But we will never know
I mean
ans was one of the reasons shock was able to win
If Diem was truly that good, he'd be on a new team imo.
Dragons also kinda insane last season
I firmly believe, if shock did not have ans last season, they do not win finals
He retired
No ans no win
diem was my favorite player 
He didn’t get dropped lmao
even with striker
that statement made me sad
Diem was there for Shanghai's first win
When
the player that stuck around from first win to stage wins
fr and theyre first tourney win as well
Still waiting for when it bites moth
he said his widow was the reason they won lol
it's true
did someone say ans?
they lost with ans
i like ans
no way
According to my mate who is an avid Atlanta supporter, pelican is the only reason Atlanta is any good
dat boy edison is cold
Sorry Atlanta, no pelican, no win
only reason they made it so far in Hawaii
our bracket is ez so im not concerned
TRUE
pretty much lmao
paris lmao
will pelican be able to fly with them to Hawaii?
yes
he's out of hospital right?
It's why I don't like the knockouts system this year
No pelican can't fly with them
I don’t think he should
he wants tho
why not
Bad pulse dva was obviously there
He just had a collapsed lung
and going on a plane with the pressure change won't be good
oh thats wot it was
Yes but he's a gamer.
It’s better to play it safe and not risk injury to have pelican ready for playoffs
plus you're not even supposed to fly after a collapsed lung
true
Gamers are known to keep playing until their body gives out
looking at the countless of pros with body injuries because they neglect self care
Do your wrist and arm stretches people 
If pelican got injured because of the flight and couldn’t play in playoffs that would be much MUCH worse than not being in hawaii
If Pelican wants to fly it's not like anyone can stop him right?
He's an adult and can make his own decisions
I mean his team can
His doctor probably could
bro pelican will sail a boat to Hawaii
If Pelican is advised not to fly, Atlanta aren't going to allow him to go to Hawaii
he's already boarded one yesterday
that's why he isn't playing
swimming across the Pacific
Swimming with a collapsed lung
If he gets a mercy pocket he'll be fine
Aspire wtf are these pulse bombs
Toronto are just better on this comp
Vestola
I love the word "gamer sense"
It’s a bit harder than you think
He heard someone call him an MVP candidate and wanted to prove them wrong

bro paris
this match is so dumb lmao
omg the peel from michelle
my brain
Dude he has a fucking massive forehead
another c9
heesu's brain is like expanding
LMAOOO
Paris doesn’t have coordination comparable to defiant
when will they sub in poko???
In this comp at least
smh
my 3-2 pred is coming true
I just think this is an overall diff
yes
aspire.
good job :)
Toronto vs Reign, yikes
Like maybe 2 roles I think paris are better on
Defiant 100%
Brig and dva
I meant as a whole Paris seems to be able to play the ball comp better

Because sado ball works with the team better than daan ball
paint is eternal
you sure?
has sado go boom happened this series
man are we watching the same game
Crayons too
I’m watching paris not play well
flashbacks to week 1 reverse sweep
I think paris is pharah one tricks
Based
Still dumbest thing ever
the fact defiant is winning a basic 5v6 cause heesu aint doing shit
shows how bad paris is as a knockout team
all cum is necessary
oni vs nero torb 1v1
did it stick or eat
naga built diff
Naga on the cowboy
naga mccree
Cowboy
naga on the guy with hat
The guy who tells the time
now changed to the chinese lady
can we just talk about how amazing aspire is
Naga on the Burger eater with boots





