esports-discussion

[next mesa]

Post match interview

Super said that

[forest raven]

[next mesa]

Oops

Got interrupted

Super said that

Atl

Looks strong

According to them

Because they're also playing the rein comp

Kind of like

Wild card

Because ATL said

There's no way

Na teams are beating APAC teams

In ball mirror

So they have to come up with like perfect counter comp or smt

[forest raven]

Ball comp is hard to execute properly so use a counter comp that your team has a lot of experience on already while working on the ball comp in the lab

I get it

[next mesa]

Nah I think they're just not gonna work on the ball comp

Well they're gonna just be figuring out how to beat it

[forest raven]

idk why they'd do that though when it lets viol2t or twilight perma zen

I suppose it does take nero and ans off their best heroes

[next mesa]

Don't think they're gonna be the best at ball dva either

[forest raven]

They have the talent for it

Just not the coordination

Shock needs to enbiggen their coaching staff

[willow tartan]

they need to get used to it

they would dominate NA if they can get the ball comp working

[mortal abyss]

Yeah

[forest raven]

I mean would they? Their backline would the best, Choi's a top 5 dva, super or Smurf would both be pretty damn good if they grinded tf out of ball, but dps?

[mortal abyss]

Glister would hard pound on tracer as he already does and ans sombra is very good

[forest raven]

Glister does have a really good tracer yeah

[mortal abyss]

Like

They have all the pieces to be a championship team

[forest raven]

I don't want to get my hopes up with this team though

Of course they do

[mortal abyss]

But somethings not right

[forest raven]

They still have their core

It does feel like top down problems

But we're plat shitters with no knowledge of what's happening in scrims so

[next mesa]

Ans doesn't even play sombra now Nero does it apparently for the team

[mortal abyss]

Lmao

[forest raven]

I just want them to enbiggen their coaching staff some more

It's only crusty and casores

[mortal abyss]

Ah ok,

[forest raven]

Dallas has three coaches and a full player manager

Atlanta has three coaches and a data analyst

[next mesa]

I don't think they can get on the level of fate void

And the coordination with fleta

[forest raven]

Shanghai has five coaches

Chengdu has three coaches

Shock has a smaller coaching staff than all of the top teams

[next mesa]

Tbh unpopular opinion

They'd still be in this position

With junkbunk

And probably with moth and striker

Because like

Look at what junkbunk is doing on outlaws

[forest raven]

I mean

No they wouldn't be in this position with striker

He's the best fuckin tracer on the planet

[next mesa]

Literally running some 2iq shit with no adaptibility

[forest raven]

Oh yeah

[next mesa]

Yeah in this like

[forest raven]

Houston also only has two coaches and Jake

[next mesa]

Ball tracer Meta probably

But just like

I mean they were bad before striker retired too

[forest raven]

Again, I'd argue Shock's biggest problem has been top down stuff from the very beginning

If they had the exact same coaching staff and roster from 2020 they'd be fucking pounding still

Not to the same extent because everyone else leveled up

[next mesa]

Yeah they would

I think

[earnest leaf]

Shock supports have been much more consistent as of late

viol2t is honestly looking like his normal self on bapt

twilight's brig is also pretty good

[forest raven]

Twilight's always had a good brig yeah

[earnest leaf]

and Nero

man been fuckin

Im37 also had a really good game tbh

[forest raven]

ic

Yeah I heard nero actually pounded on tracer?

[earnest leaf]

Yea he did pretty well

[forest raven]

Huh

Shock once again has two hyper flexes

Pag

[earnest leaf]

people have been underrating nero all season imo

Also atlanta and shock 100% were scrim partners this week

[forest raven]

His echo wasn't the best, but his pharah absolutely fucks

[earnest leaf]

imo his echo was only bested by pelican in NA

[forest raven]

That's fair actually

[earnest leaf]

Also pelican is making his case for roty even more

[forest raven]

Excuse me

Mmonk

[earnest leaf]

Pelican is a chad

absolutely tracer gapped danteh today

[forest raven]

Huge

Btw

How much did shock play rein today

[next mesa]

Danteh was just off

And Jake was on bap the whole game

[earnest leaf]

I'm really curious on the rein comps honestly

I want to see if atlanta/shock can improve heavily on them to the point where it just counters ball comps

But I think it relies heavily on the dps basically never slipping up

[forest raven]

Wait

Waitwaitwait

waaitwaitwaitwait

Jake

On bap?

[earnest leaf]

[forest raven]

waitwaitwaitwaitwait

No fucking shit they lost

[next mesa]

Dude

Houston runs some weird shit

[earnest leaf]

god you can see that junkbuck worked with crusty

they both do the same random ass shit

[next mesa]

And against weak team it works

[earnest leaf]

with rosters

[next mesa]

And ud be like

[forest raven]

True

[next mesa]

Oh my god junkbunk is so big brain

And then against good teams

Completely flops

[forest raven]

Coach Jake decided the best course of action was to put player Jake in for the whole series

[next mesa]

And they have no plan B

Lmao

[earnest leaf]

they're trying to pull a shock

[forest raven]

Well both Atlanta and Shock have extremely strong dps lines

[next mesa]

I feel like he doesn't have much of a say in the big picture

[earnest leaf]

but they don't have two insane flex supports

also shd lost again

[forest raven]

Maybe not but it's enjoyable making fun of Jake

Yeah are Shanghai like

Just not scrimming

[earnest leaf]

No idea

[next mesa]

They're just trolling

[earnest leaf]

they C9ed as well in the last map to lose

[forest raven]

Shang9 pag

[next mesa]

Also someone

I think it was u flameknight

Said that Taiyo is secret weapon for playoffs

And now I just totally agree

[earnest leaf]

think that was someone else

[next mesa]

O mb

[forest raven]

All I know

Is that ta1yo isn't washed

He's just not good enough to be a starter on shock

[tawdry hamlet]

can't be washed if you never played in the first place

[earnest leaf]

That's the thing

Is he not good enough even?

We haven't seen him play enough to really tell

[forest raven]

Correction

I have faith he isn't washed

Because I have faith in all the shock boys

[earnest leaf]

The most likely scenario is just the other dps do better in scrims

[forest raven]

And I mean

Last year it was Striker Ans Rascal

This year it's Ans Glister nero

[tawdry hamlet]

Rascal

[forest raven]

Oh yeah

Rascal

[next mesa]

Well

Ans is back playing full time it seems

[forest raven]

I don't like that they don't seem to be playing the ball comp at all

[next mesa]

Seems like they gave up on it and feel like they can develop a counter comp

But it seems like it involves like rein cree torb

[forest raven]

I just feel like the ball comp played most optimally beats out any counter comp

But me plat

So who knows

[next mesa]

And didn't that get pounded by winston

And then ball pounds winston

[forest raven]

How much did the orisa work against boston

Because the orisa worked only twice against Dallas

[earnest leaf]

I think played properly ball comp should beat anything atm

[forest raven]

Yeah

[earnest leaf]

imo mainly because of sombra

[forest raven]

How much sombra has shock played

[earnest leaf]

I think she sets up and denies too much for some comps

none today iirc

and none yesterday

[forest raven]

I do not like that at all

[earnest leaf]

Good news though

Shd unironically might not make it into the tourney this stage

so NA might be saved

[forest raven]

[earnest leaf]

unless seoul shits the bed

[forest raven]

They're 0-2 -2 right now?

[earnest leaf]

yes

[forest raven]

Yeah that's really bad

[earnest leaf]

they play seoul then charge

[next mesa]

Seoul doesn't even play that much sombra

They would rather put fits on like cree or smt

[forest raven]

Sombra just too good man

[next mesa]

I have a feeling seoul would shit the bed

Coming from a seoul fanboy

[forest raven]

Well

[next mesa]

Gesture been playing and ya boi don't like that

[forest raven]

There's not much precedent for them shitting the bed this year

They've been very consistently third in APAC/getting dicked by Shanghai in knock outs

[next mesa]

And going super close with chengdu twice

[forest raven]

Yeah

I don't think Seoul has lost to anyone they shouldn't have lost to this year

Might be wrong

Oh

They are playing Shanghai and Philly this stage

[earnest leaf]

outside of week one

seoul has only lost to chengdu/shd

[forest raven]

Might win Shanghai honestly

Yeah exactly

[earnest leaf]

one loss to philly week one

Now who's ready for chengdu to fucking throw

Ameng rein time

[forest raven]

Can Jinmu even play these first two games?

[earnest leaf]

He might still be in quarantine

but might be good for the games chengdu has

[next mesa]

Jinmu got COVID?

[earnest leaf]

He was at an airport where cases were reported

[next mesa]

Oh shibal

[earnest leaf]

so it's quarantine as a pre-caution

[next mesa]

We gonna have to get leave pharah jimmy sombra

It's 3am

[mortal abyss]

Nice

[willow tartan]

The past matches with seoul have been
3-0
3-0
3-1

I think dragons will be fine.

[next mesa]

Exactly dude

[willow tartan]

Like the result of yesterday's game to me at least, I don't count on that performance happening again. Call it cope but sometimes teams flunk and that's whatever.

The only reason people are so crazy over SHD losing to NYXL was because they almost went 12-0 last stage, ignoring that in JJ they got swept by hangzhou and in MM by chengdu.

Losing 3-0 to philly whilst experimenting with rosters is whatevs for me too, I mean fusion isn't exactly a bad team and who knows, maybe they're getting their shit back together.

It's just that I have faith in the team and staff to hit right back at normality next week. First week is always a little bit of crazy but it would be highly unusual that they flunk a tournament.

[balmy wolf]

atlanta best team

[willow tartan]

You know what sure, Atlanta is the best team if they make it to Hawaii and beat Chengdu using their rein comp.

[balmy wolf]

this week they actually are

didnt need to bust out the copium

[willow tartan]

no no i'm saying ill totally agree that theyre the best team in the world after they beat chengdu in hawaii

but like in NA? hell yeah they've looked the best so far

[balmy wolf]

thank u

i would like to say the same for shanghai

but u know

[willow tartan]

Fusion might actually make a tournament.

[balmy wolf]

no

[willow tartan]

Their next games are against NYE and SEO.

[forest raven]

Of any team to have faith in

[willow tartan]

They should win.

[forest raven]

Shanghai is at the top

[balmy wolf]

shanghai goes 2-2 and knocks out first seed philly in a map 5 banger

[forest raven]

[willow tartan]

First seed would be Chengdu.

They have the easiest schedule of the region and they could totally go 12-0

[balmy wolf]

chengdu wont

[willow tartan]

LAV, HZS, NYE, GZC.

[balmy wolf]

dropping maps to nyxl

[willow tartan]

If they can keep playing their ball comp like during the tournament.

They'll actually golden stage.

[balmy wolf]

btw imo shanghai and nyxl make hawaii

[willow tartan]

If NYE makes another tournament that means they're on equal standing with Atlanta 😎

[balmy wolf]

no

cause atl makes cc

[willow tartan]

Probably.

CDH will be No1 seed.

I can see philly making two.

Then third and fourth between SHD and SEO.

Unless Seoul beats Philly, then they reverse places.

[balmy wolf]

nah

philly first seed

they need to be boomed in knockouts

[willow tartan]

Only way fusion gets first seed is if Chengdu fucks up their schedule.

[balmy wolf]

seoul goes 2-2

misses knockouts

[willow tartan]

You think Seoul loses to fusion?

[balmy wolf]

yes

but wait

[willow tartan]

I guess if New York can upset against Chengdu.

[balmy wolf]

seoul needs to go 3-1

golden rule

[willow tartan]

Hangzhou will most probably lose against Chengdu and win against Charge, so they're out of the question at 1-3.

[balmy wolf]

wait im calculating

[forest raven]

[willow tartan]

New York Excelsior probably goes 2-2 but it depends on score lines. (On whether or not they qualify)

New York is currently at 4, so if they make it 2-3 on both losses they'd be at 2.

[balmy wolf]

look

[willow tartan]

Shanghai is currently at -4. They'll need to sweep both gz and seoul.

[balmy wolf]

this is great

very great

[willow tartan]

What is that website called again?

[balmy wolf]

owlstandings.com

fusion would be hard boomed

i wanna see that

wait a min

ill make na

here

dallas missing hawaii

reign glads shanghai and nyxl making hawaii

[forest raven]

Glads making it to hawaii

[balmy wolf]

better than shock

[forest raven]

Be quiet ratlanta fan

[balmy wolf]

or dallas and toronto swap and dallas goes hawaii

either way

get fucked

[tacit skiff]

you think the Uprising will lose against Vancouver and Florida?

[balmy wolf]

Yeah i have Florida Winning

[tacit skiff]

doesn't account for your Vancouver placement

[balmy wolf]

0-4?

[tacit skiff]

you have uprising going 2-2
they'd have to lose to Vancouver

[balmy wolf]

no?

They are 1-1

Lost to shock yesterday

I think Florida will be good

But they have a brutal schedule

[earnest leaf]

oge ball

yaki tracer

bqb sombra

[balmy wolf]

ye

[earnest leaf]

no way they're bad right

plz mayhem

be good

[balmy wolf]

Well

They play against all top teams

Besides Boston

[forest raven]

I wonder how much of shock not going for the ball comp is because they want the option of ans' hitscan at all times

[willow tartan]

"shit we are losing? what should we do?"

ans on hitscan, omega pocket him

[forest raven]

I feel like in most metas that's viable but

Ball comps put such immense pressure on mccrees and widows

[willow tartan]

shock playing protect the president

[plucky minnow]

Are the new contenders skins for August known?

[willow tartan]

dude wtf is this mic quality

pixie my guy

avrl sounds dif as well

[hot onyx]

New BM roster kinda stacked

Granted if you steal half the roster of the team that won contenders then ofc it’s gonna be stacked

[sullen berry]

It's exactly what happened to sideshow's audio that one time with that pringles video

He's using the wrong sampling rate so he sounds mega low

[willow tartan]

It sounds like he is speaking out of a pringles can

or his mic is in one

[sullen berry]

Although with the kamikaze pulse bomb

[balmy wolf]

dude

im so sad

look at titans

they were such a good team

best in league

before they split up and got shitty new players

fresh from low masters na

[willow tartan]

best in the league

0-4 in grand finals

[balmy wolf]

Yeah rip

[willow tartan]

hype music yo

this contendies is bopping

[sullen berry]

Real Contenders KR fans remember not only when they played K-Pop during the breaks but some real bangers during apex @forest raven

[forest raven]

I GET IT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey3UXxa9q0Y

[sullen berry]

Seriously club banger material

I've missed Pixie

Probably catch up at the next local convention in two months

[forest raven]

Pag

[sullen berry]

I mean shock qualify for most chaotic since Chengdu but for NA

[forest raven]

Reign had a shitty may melee which is still biting them in the ass

[sullen berry]

They didn't lose as many regular season matches than you might think

Still dominating because they are unpredictable

[forest raven]

Shock has lost to Houston x2, Dallas, and Glads in the regular season

[sullen berry]

And much like San francisco shock of season 2 glory days

They didn't hit it off immediately

So it won't surprise me if they have it figured out really late or just look a lot more polished

That's probably why my podcast co-host bailed

Suffering at the expense of having so many shots squandered at each tournament final

Indeed they should

If you're pressured into not making mistakes over three tournaments they could be suffering from the kind of casual, recoverable burnout in the season

Call it sandbagging, or Dragons not really gelling after being cooked up with the same roster without failure

Sometimes

[forest raven]

I think one of the coaches for Shanghai said the team was suffering from burnout

[sullen berry]

You have to FEEL something you can only get with a loss

Shanghai Dragons, 2018: suffering
Shanghai Dragons, 2021: suffering from success

MMonk is really impressive

Up for rookie of the year personally

No body on that roster could deserve it more other than Ga9a who has looked good if not better than the Chad himself

I don't believe we will see Jinmu next week

Could still be a rough charge match based on support diff alone

[balmy wolf]

pelican roty no doubt

[willow tartan]

probs pelican, things are skewed towards NA

[sullen berry]

Oh I'm not discounting pelican, he absolutely delivers with Kai's torb last week

[balmy wolf]

It’s not skewed

[willow tartan]

though if chengdu has another good tournament showing

ofc not

skewed isnt roty

[balmy wolf]

It’s reasonable

[willow tartan]

like hes good but no tthat good

yeah and what else

• glads havent made any tournaments

[balmy wolf]

Pelican is for Atlanta what leave is for chengdu

Leave no rookie tho

[forest raven]

Twilight, Fielder, Izayaki, Mmonk, Ir1s, Shu, Kaan, Viol2t, Creative

[willow tartan]

wb rapel bro

[forest raven]

pepela

[balmy wolf]

Kai no rookie

And no

Pelican deadlifting is

us*

Hawk second best

[forest raven]

Ir1s and Masaa is a very strong backline

[balmy wolf]

Hawk carrying

Rip

[keen abyss]

you mean 2-2 after they get 3-0d by Boston

[forest raven]

Vancouver and Toronto

Ez

[keen abyss]

shock is funny

[forest raven]

Boston has definitely become a solid mid table team

I am proud of my boy punk

[keen abyss]

I feel like despite being a solid team they’re one of the worse teams

a lot of talent this year

more high tier teams than usual

[feral zodiac]

Didn't atlanta lose to Houston or did I read the score wrong

[forest raven]

Ratlanta 3-0'd Houston

[keen abyss]

isn’t Houston really inconsistent

[forest raven]

https://i.imgur.com/7B2nmOH.png

Take it as you will

Also

Dallas literally just beat Shock

Look man

I've been a shock fan since 2018

Copium has run out

[keen abyss]

is that Boston records

[forest raven]

Shock sits at around the very bottom of the top of NA

Yeah it is

[keen abyss]

yeah I don’t see why Boston is so high

potential doesn’t mean shit

[forest raven]

Shock has lost to Houston x2, Reign, Glads, and Dallas x2

[keen abyss]

gladiators have amazing potential

they’re playing inconsistently as fuck though

[forest raven]

They have beaten all of those teams once except Houston

[keen abyss]

shock only loses to good teams ig

[forest raven]

Glads makes me mald and I haven't been a glads fan since 2018

[feral zodiac]

And gets taken to map 5 by london

[forest raven]

Seven figure roster and can't do shit

The Dallas game was just a comp diff as well

[keen abyss]

what is gladiators’ weak link

[forest raven]

If Shock hadn't C9'd on Rialto they would have won the series 3-1

[tepid ibex]

Dpei

[keen abyss]

coaching was my guess ig

[tepid ibex]

Their roster on paper should be one of the best

[keen abyss]

because all their players are theoretically really good

arguably the best brig

shu insane on the ana

[forest raven]

Their dps line is fucking Kevster/Birdring and they're playing Mirror a not insignificant amount of time

[tepid ibex]

Top 5 flex support in shu , top 5 main support in moth

[willow tartan]

space

[keen abyss]

moth was in contender for best lucio

[forest raven]

Shu is a top 5 fs

[keen abyss]

all of Gladis supports are top 5 on their roles

really good dps in birding and kev

[tepid ibex]

Main support and main tank will look poor if the whole team can’t perform

[keen abyss]

space feeds a bit but I didn’t think he was that bad

[forest raven]

Hard hitscan meta for playoffs

[keen abyss]

are tanks the weak links besides dpei

[tepid ibex]

Muze is good

Space ehh

They could do better than space but I think he’s alright

[keen abyss]

didn’t space win World Cup

[forest raven]

nero is actually a fucking chad

[keen abyss]

Nero is great

[forest raven]

Man goes on tracer and pounds

[keen abyss]

don’t think he’s underrated after recent performance

[tepid ibex]

Don’t know about that

Top 4 NA

[forest raven]

Pelican

Sparkle

[tepid ibex]

Pelican and sparkle

Maybe doha

[forest raven]

Bro?

[tepid ibex]

He’s performed really well?

His tracer is very clean

[keen abyss]

man

been a gladiators fan since day one

and they always leave me blue balled

the team always has amazing potential but never does anything with it

coaching fucked

[forest raven]

Been a Shock fan since nearly day one

Bro

Jake played bap

Of course they lost

Unter really kicked Ratlanta into gear

I will always sleep on their tank line

Nomegalul

[tepid ibex]

Top 3 off tanks are probably void, choi/fury and hanbin

[balmy wolf]

Hawk

[plush grail]

Choi fury no lmao

Choi and fury are overrated as fuck rn

[forest raven]

Fearless/Hanbin, Fate/Void, and uh

Gaga/LY maybe

[tepid ibex]

Washington copium

[forest raven]

You just listed two main tanks

[tepid ibex]

Do they now?

[forest raven]

They haven't played together since like the may melee

[tepid ibex]

I thought they played marve1 - toyou now

[forest raven]

They're playing Gesture/Toyou rn

[willow tartan]

tank lines or tank duos?

cause if tank lines then chengdu

fate/void best tank duo in the league

[tepid ibex]

Yes

[forest raven]

Void is a fucking freak of nature

[willow tartan]

fate covers more heroes than fearless

fate and void are the profit and fits of tank

[tepid ibex]

Fearless ball

[willow tartan]

they can play any combination of heroes

[forest raven]

Watson is meaningless

Don't pay attention to Watson

[balmy wolf]

Fearless covers more heroes than Fate

[forest raven]

Fearless' ball is definitely improving

[willow tartan]

fearless ball isnt bad

[forest raven]

But you still can't say Fearless plays more tanks than Fate

[balmy wolf]

Fearless has the best Rein and the best Winston and his Wrecking Ball is improving massively so fast he will be the best itw on that as well

[willow tartan]

fearless best rein?

thats a whole lot of copium

[forest raven]

Holy shit bandwagoners

[tepid ibex]

I don’t think fearless will be the best ball

G9ga and fate have amazing balls

[forest raven]

I'm proud of super

[willow tartan]

nah guys the best reinhardt is obviously checkmate

[forest raven]

Man has played a good ball so far

[tepid ibex]

The chad rein

[tawdry hamlet]

Are you disrespecting changsik rn? Bruh

[tepid ibex]

Shift key warrior

[forest raven]

Potentially

I hope he doesn't

[willow tartan]

changsik < daan

[tawdry hamlet]

[willow tartan]

silver3's ball is pro gamer

did you see his envionmental against nyxL???

[tepid ibex]

NVM best tank in the game

[willow tartan]

crazy bro

LAV is holding him back

[forest raven]

I do love how super's stream has negatively impacted people's opinion of his ability in OWL

[tawdry hamlet]

If we don't call him a higher rank each valiant win I'll be upset, waiting on gold3

[forest raven]

What are Valiant's next three games?

[keen abyss]

valiant vs Titans

ends 0-0

[tawdry hamlet]

They look a lot better unironically though I'm not sure who to replace besides silver3, showcheng molanran and highbee actually play pretty well together

[forest raven]

Wait holy shit

Bren predicted before the season started that Valiant would win 2 maps the whole season

[keen abyss]

still ends 0-0

[forest raven]

And they might end with 2 map wins

2

[keen abyss]

has any team remained consistent throughout their existence

in performance

sure

[tawdry hamlet]

If valiant don't sign 800 like they were supposed to pre season that will be sadge

[forest raven]

Toronto

[tawdry hamlet]

Toronto consistently 8th

[forest raven]

Toronto played well in the very first stage of season 2

And since then

They have been consistently mediocre

Toronto is the most boring team in owl

[keen abyss]

I was thinking Toronto

Florida was bottom 2 season one

Florida has been at least mid tier at times, no?

[tawdry hamlet]

Its so weird watching them the dps and everyone has pop off moments but it's never exciting idk why

[forest raven]

Seoul was 8th in OWL in seasons 1 and 2

But they got silver in season 3 obviously

[tawdry hamlet]

Like Boston popping off it's exciting but Toronto it's like meh

[willow tartan]

every season he changes his name

[keen abyss]

seoul was 8th season one?

bottom 5?

[tawdry hamlet]

Maybe it's because they're such a letdown with the roster and coach they acquired

[forest raven]

Seoul was mediocre for all of season 1, all of season 2, and all of season 3 besides playoffs

[keen abyss]

what about gladiators

[forest raven]

But this year they've been consistently upper tier

[tawdry hamlet]

Consistently second lmao

[keen abyss]

haven’t they always been 8-4th

[tepid ibex]

Season 2 was ehh

I don’t think they even made play-offs in season 2

[tawdry hamlet]

London after season 1 pretty consistent

[keen abyss]

I will never not be salty about London winning season 1

[forest raven]

Glads finished 4th/5th in season 1

[tawdry hamlet]

Atlanta consistently mid forever

[balmy wolf]

Lol what

[tawdry hamlet]

They've been mid up until now I meant

[balmy wolf]

6th 12th 3rd

[forest raven]

Glads finished 5th/6th in season 2

And then 9th in season 3

[tawdry hamlet]

S3 was tragic

They were bottom 4 for a while iirc

[keen abyss]

s2 playoffs wasn’t goats right

boring

[tepid ibex]

It was double shield I think

[forest raven]

Season 2 was double shield or ultra rush shit I think

After 2-2-2

[keen abyss]

if sigma hadn’t been released would it have still been goats

[tawdry hamlet]

Mei was run

[keen abyss]

ohh role lock

[tepid ibex]

No

[forest raven]

Reaper/Mei/Doom

[tawdry hamlet]

Yes I remember sms reaper

[forest raven]

Look at that https://i.imgur.com/yN3RYGK.png

[keen abyss]

imagine if goats had existed for s2 grand finals

[forest raven]

[keen abyss]

and if Titans still had their og team

[forest raven]

Titans did have their OG team in season 2

RunAway

[keen abyss]

San Francisco washed

[forest raven]

No longer dominating every team in the league? Yes

[tawdry hamlet]

Didn't matter they were so far behind outside of goats they would still be gapped imo

[keen abyss]

what if it was a goats finale though

[north relic]

Bastion chandelier still haunts my dreams

[keen abyss]

no team is dominating in NA

[forest raven]

Architect bastion

[tawdry hamlet]

Goats finale would be shock win but closer I'd imagine

[forest raven]

Of course shock would have won a goats finale

They were better at goats by the end of stage 2

[keen abyss]

moth was a part of what made old shock good

I could probably beat shock goats

I’d just shoot zen as tracer or something idk

[forest raven]

True

[keen abyss]

avoid the brig

[forest raven]

super played one map in Shock's playoff run in season 2

So technically

He was part of it

[north relic]

Lmao shooting goats as tracer

[forest raven]

Shanghai beat goats with their triple dps comp

[keen abyss]

whose goats

[north relic]

Shock

[forest raven]

Titans and Shock's goats

Shanghai won stage 3 with their triple dps

super says to this day if he hadn't switched to winston on dorado they would have reverse swept shanghai

[north relic]

Everyone is here

[keen abyss]

shanghai season 1 was the scariest team in OWL history

[forest raven]

They were fuckin the triple dps comp with the orisa comp

[keen abyss]

imagine the pressure playing against season 1 shanghai

like it’s an easy game

but what if you mess up

[north relic]

Teams prepared against shanghai the most

[keen abyss]

what if you’re the team that breaks the 0-40

[north relic]

And shd players were playing like 12 hours a day

[keen abyss]

I would get so nervous every time Glads had to face shd

chipsa?

[forest raven]

Never forget

[keen abyss]

highest suicide per game rate as well

[forest raven]

Chipsa played one map in OWL and managed to punch himself off the map

[north relic]

He didn’t punch off

[willow tartan]

its a bug

[north relic]

It was a no reg punch

[keen abyss]

his copy of overwatch was personalized

[forest raven]

What if dragons don't make it to hawaii and chengdu wins the CC

[keen abyss]

they lose in grand finals to silver3

just silver3

the rest of the valiant isn’t there

[forest raven]

I would like it if chengdu won because that would mean they won a title before philly did

And I would get to hold that over philly fans

[north relic]

Which teams have never won a title

[forest raven]

Shock, London, Shanghai, Dallas, Titans, New York, Valiant, Charge, Paris have all won titles

[north relic]

Oh yea I forgot about valiant

[forest raven]

Season 1 stage 4

[north relic]

Didn’t justice win a stage or it didn’t count

[forest raven]

Season 2 stage 4 had no tournament

[north relic]

Seoul fusion Chengdu all dnt have titles

[forest raven]

Philly has a lot of silver medals though

[north relic]

How many

[willow tartan]

a lot...

[keen abyss]

^which means at least 2

[balmy wolf]

Who’s better? No one is

He destroyed both of them this year easily. Lol Super and Gator best rein good one.

[mortal cipher]

oof

[forest raven]

Dallas fans

[balmy wolf]

Fearless literally hard diffed Gator last stage lmfao

[noble nexus]

Nah fearless sucks

[round shadow]

am i hallucinating or is philly starting to get good

[cloud latch]

don't jinx it

[vagrant cargo]

No way yall think gator is a top 3 rein

Fearless mag and MuZe>>

[forest raven]

Top 3 reins are super, and uh

idc enough about the other two

[devout path]

Top 3 reins?

Bumper checkmate and no one is close to those 2

[forest raven]

True

[willow tartan]

Daan, Hadi.

[devout path]

Nomegalul

[willow tartan]

sorry but that just means ur smokin

[noble nexus]

Hadi is a nutcase

Best mt in the league rn and I don’t think it’s close

[plush grail]

stfu jack

[noble nexus]

he's the only that could maybe make it close

they just need to bench that oge guy

I don't even think he's an actual MT

unlike checkmate

nonono Hadi is definitely the best MT

checkmate could make it close tho

nah I'm gigabrain you just don't understand how wrinkled my brain is

[forest raven]

Damn

nero really hasn't been bad on any hero he's played this season

[willow tartan]

nero hasnt played bad heroes

[forest raven]

What point are you trying to make

[willow tartan]

no point

[noble nexus]

Nero has been omega consistent

[willow tartan]

just saying that good heroes are good most of the time

[forest raven]

Say that to all the shit ass sombras in the league

[willow tartan]

the shit ass sombras in the league dont play sombra

[forest raven]

Your point doesn't exist

[willow tartan]

he's the shock's most consistent player

just like how seoul is the most consistent apac team

[noble nexus]

Nah valiant is

Consistently winless

[willow tartan]

no they are more inconsistent than seoul

from full holding philly to not winning a map in 2 stages

[noble nexus]

Philly suck tho

[plush grail]

so do u

[forest raven]

I saw people saying Shock-Boston was close but after actually watching the match

Only Lijiang was close

Shock rolled on Blizzard World and Anubis and got kinda rolled on Route

[noble nexus]

And?

[plush grail]

who are u??

[noble nexus]

Wait do I know you?

[plush grail]

im daan

the best mt in owl

[noble nexus]

Lmfao who??

[forest raven]

All I know about paris is that they beat glads and lost to shock

[worn falcon]

but can Paris beat SHD?

[plush grail]

at this point im pretty sure paris can beat dallas, shock, glads and shanghai

[willow tartan]

Can Paris qualify?

[plush grail]

but will lose to fuckin toronto or some shit

[hot onyx]

Actually true, they have yet to win against a good team this year

[balmy wolf]

u dont miss

gator still good rein

[hot onyx]

Beast

[vagrant cargo]

He deffo is

Also ATL Glads top 2 NA No doubt

[balmy wolf]

hes hyper agressive

makes him look like hes feeding sometimes

but they play rush like that

[vagrant cargo]

Yeah

[balmy wolf]

like u see gator die first but atl still winning the fight

[balmy wolf]

true true

[ivory stag]

glads are basically shock some games they look good some they just throw

[vagrant cargo]

Eh

[noble nexus]

glads don't throw nearly as hard as the shock used to

[vagrant cargo]

They often Just Choke

[noble nexus]

plus the shock have a good look rn

[vagrant cargo]

Thats their biggear weakneas

[balmy wolf]

glads cant cutch

[forest raven]

Hey

[balmy wolf]

losing map 5 is their passion

[forest raven]

Shock have never lost against paris

[vagrant cargo]

Also idk im still not convinced that shock are great now

They looked confused af vs dallas

And Boston also hard threw map 1

Or rather hard chokes

[forest raven]

Lijiang was the only close map in that series

[balmy wolf]

look at their losses

[ivory stag]

wouldnt throw be better than chokes cause throws are more fixable?

[balmy wolf]

all close and reasonable

[ivory stag]

defiant kek

[vagrant cargo]

Throwing is Just a different word for choking in that context imo

[ivory stag]

Choking to me is when it gets to underpreassure you crack and cant step up throwing to me is you lose because you refuse to give into a specific comp or sub a needed sub or small fixable things in that manner

[forest raven]

Shock are gonna 3-0 Vancouver and most likely 3-0 Toronto. I'm not worried about that

Knockouts though

[ivory stag]

where can you see the line ups for next two weekends?

[forest raven]

https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/schedule?stage=regular_season&week=16

[vagrant cargo]

Imagine If shock lose to toronto lmaoo

[forest raven]

I highly doubt it

[vagrant cargo]

I do too

[willow tartan]

dragons will sweep seoul :)

[feral zodiac]

Glads ain't got the winning mentality or clutch players

[hollow bough]

probably

[ivory stag]

but the hunters though

theyll sweep dragons

[hollow bough]

chengdu ??

youre funny

theyre afraid of the point

[noble nexus]

chengdu chads will absolutely dominate shanghai

[vagrant cargo]

Eh

Glads roster has a Lot of Clutch players

[noble nexus]

nah I just think dpei starts trying to do his job in map 5s and the team lose because they listen to him

[vagrant cargo]

Birdring kevster shu

Space MuZe are also clutch

[willow tartan]

Chengdu isn't playing Shanghai.

[vagrant cargo]

But they Just Choke when it matters

[feral zodiac]

If they're choking when it matters they're not being clutch

[fast zodiac]

the gladiators were awesome yesterday

even Seoul

[north relic]

They were against valiant

[next mesa]

If seoul even gets a map

[tropic herald]

I will become an Atlanta fan if they signed Proper and kept Pelican

[worn falcon]

forgot this gif exist https://gfycat.com/imaginarywateryguanaco

[forest raven]

There is nothing I want to breed with more than sailor girl bren

[willow tartan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPpmAJrPCZo

[strong oasis]

hi guys

[next mesa]

Hey

[gusty rampart]

Hey

[plush grail]

hello

[vagrant cargo]

Proper underage

[devout path]

3-1

[balmy wolf]

how old?

[vagrant cargo]

17

Avaible next season

[balmy wolf]

damn

proper pelican

[vagrant cargo]

If Atlanta get the Rest of O2 they Just win OWL

[balmy wolf]

i buy

ye

[devout path]

Proper pelican

[balmy wolf]

finn

[devout path]

Scary

[vagrant cargo]

Proper pelican mer1t

[balmy wolf]

tbh we dont need merit

[vagrant cargo]

Yeah

[balmy wolf]

if we have kai

[vagrant cargo]

I rate merit Higher

[balmy wolf]

hmm

idk

gotta see

[devout path]

What you do need is an actual tank line

:)

[vagrant cargo]

But i think He wants a full time starting Position

[balmy wolf]

stand1 xDDDD

[vagrant cargo]

And the Gap isnt big

[balmy wolf]

yeah

[devout path]

Gator xDDDDDDDDD

[balmy wolf]

get me a winston player and we just roll owl

[vagrant cargo]

Gator>stand1

[balmy wolf]

true

f u lily

ur team sux

[vagrant cargo]

If atl get someone or kellan they would be unbeatable

And a New OT

Like clestyn

[devout path]

:(

I thought we were friends

[vagrant cargo]

Pelican proper Kai someone clestyn ojee finn iris

[balmy wolf]

sry fren

[balmy wolf]

i actually fucking lost

[earnest leaf]

get a monkey/ball player to swap with gator

and get a better OT over hawk

EZ

[devout path]

Fate

[devout path]

Hanbin

[forest raven]

Where is takoyaki

[earnest leaf]

If atlanta got fate/hanbin they would actually pound

[balmy wolf]

hawk is reeeeally good

[vagrant cargo]

Hanbin Fate are locked

[earnest leaf]

fucking kai/pelican/fate/hanbin/iris/masaa

actually kinda stacked

[worn falcon]

Then gator on Orisa

[earnest leaf]

i think hawk is decent on dva

[worn falcon]

Actual chad

[earnest leaf]

but his sig falls short too often

[vagrant cargo]

His zarya is horris

Horrid

[earnest leaf]

She's meta so infrequently i'm sure he can grind her to be servicable

[balmy wolf]

i actually could see atl building a superteam next season

they are already dominating cdl

time to invest into owl

[devout path]

Boston with myunbong faith valentine punk GBS next year gonna be so good

[balmy wolf]

actually perfect time cause if they are the best team when ow2 comes out it will be great for popularity

[devout path]

No

[balmy wolf]

who tanking

[devout path]

Just pick up a contenders main tank and hitscan and gg

[balmy wolf]

true

still mediocre

[devout path]

No

[balmy wolf]

yes

[earnest leaf]

I wonder something

What if shock never got nero, and kept striker/ans

and signed pelican

[balmy wolf]

atleast ur not last place

[balmy wolf]

wont happen

[devout path]

Ur right Atlanta would be

[balmy wolf]

stop stupid i cry

[earnest leaf]

I imagine it less so as times goes on

cuz nero fucks

Also pelican is easily roty

anyone who thinks otherwise is an apac simp or delusional

[balmy wolf]

ye

shy was close

but he flawed

[earnest leaf]

I honestly don't think atlanta does anywhere as well this year without pelican

[balmy wolf]

sure

[earnest leaf]

It's kind of like having an Ans type player

They do not get diffed

[forest raven]

The only player like ans is ans

[balmy wolf]

fdps was a bug issue last year

[next mesa]

Atl should sign

That contenders mt

Just go full korean

[gusty rampart]

Eh

[earnest leaf]

I think gator made his case this season being competitive with other MTs on rein/orisa

He just needs a monkey/ball player to compliment him

Because finding someone who can play all MTs to an actual high level is difficult

[feral zodiac]

Atlanta would do well with someone like fate on the team to rotate with gator

[earnest leaf]

Fate is one of the tanks I think can play it all

So you would just perma start him imo

[feral zodiac]

I've not seen much if his rein

[next mesa]

Sign kellan

[earnest leaf]

Fate/Mano/Smurf I think can all start full time

If I remember right, his rein is solid

[next mesa]

Kellan attack proper pelican

Iris

Ditch masaa too SUPERTEAM

[buoyant coyote]

Smurf rein?

[next mesa]

I'm calling it now kellan attack duo are gonna be on sale for big bucks

[buoyant coyote]

Well yeah

Kai+pelican cracked

[tropic herald]

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attack wasnt playing today i thought

has he been playing other games?

[vagrant cargo]

mano?

mano has been buttcheeks most of the time

mag muze ga9a are the mega flexes

[earnest leaf]

Mag is a monkey otp

[vagrant cargo]

huh?

[earnest leaf]

Ga9a is pretty good

[vagrant cargo]

his ball and orisa are good and his rein has fucked in summer showdown

[earnest leaf]

Muze is pretty flexible tbh, but I want to see him improve more

[vagrant cargo]

muze has been top 5 on p much any MT he has played

[earnest leaf]

his orisa is sad, his ball is nothing special and he looked good on rein for two games

[vagrant cargo]

huh???

[earnest leaf]

He is Fearless Lite

[vagrant cargo]

his orisa was crazy in june joust and summer showdown

what are u on

[earnest leaf]

[vagrant cargo]

and his ball pounded several times

[next mesa]

Muze ball is not bad

[balmy wolf]

muze best orisa wdym?

[next mesa]

Actually might be better than mags

[vagrant cargo]

he was literally a top 2 orisa statwise

[next mesa]

Not sure doe

[earnest leaf]

ok now you're just trolling me

[vagrant cargo]

i mean he gapped mag pretty hard last time

[next mesa]

Can't tell orisa gameplay all looks sleeper to me 😴

[vagrant cargo]

muze orisa was genuinly amazing until the last atl match

[earnest leaf]

I said mag was Fearless lite

I LITERALLY said muze was pretty flexible

[vagrant cargo]

http://prntscr.com/1ig31ia

it looked like u talked abt muze

w that

[earnest leaf]

yea I meant it for mag

[vagrant cargo]

fair

[next mesa]

Ga9a is so much better at ball than fate oh my god

Than everyone* oops

[vagrant cargo]

eh fate ball still top 2

[next mesa]

Ga9a is just

Numéro uno

By such a long shoy

Shot

He ball diffed fate on several occasions watching the vods with yeatle

But fate is smart though

[tropic herald]

im here to say mag only looks bad off monkey bc the team compotence goes down tremendously when they dont play monkey comps

[next mesa]

His mechanics aren't at that level but he always follows up on his team

Decay overrated

Also stop playing that bumass assassin

Just that ttuba carry

It's his destiny

S tier flex dps

Stuck in brig jail

Gg

Not even that good of a brig

💀

[earnest leaf]

It seems The pre-season worries of their backline are coming true

[tropic herald]

honestly i think they just need a brig player ms

[earnest leaf]

Also people I guess vastly overrated the entire roster

Except assassin

Don't think I saw anyone say much about him

[tropic herald]

im still in the camp that justice macro is holding them back

[earnest leaf]

I mean that's for most teams

Imagine glads with good macro

[tropic herald]

i dont think their individual play except like closer/ttuba on brig is that bad

but for some reason if mag doesnt play monkey then suddenly half of them cant think

[next mesa]

They were looking decent on ball rein though

Well

In the summer showdown

Not anymore-

[tropic herald]

atlanta should do big moves this off season, i really want them to grab kellan, vindaim, proper

that would be so sick

[earnest leaf]

You know what I want to see this off season

Dpei not a headcoach

[next mesa]

Plz lose job holy shit

[earnest leaf]

Or make him an assistant coach

at minimum

[worn falcon]

no, no, keep dpei as coach wtf

imagine if Glads hire Aero

[plush grail]

okay let's see

if we gave imt, aero and dpei a top tier roster

who would win

[noble nexus]

They’d find a way to draw every match somehow