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People also told me paris would be the worst team in the league
basically most of people's t2 predictions are bs
how do you look at teams like vancouver and valiant and then think "nah paris is worse"
so next season
like fr
i'm done listening to them
especially the valiant one
theyre literally off roling
idk how you can think paris was the worst team
might be able to see how some AT players do next season
See if they are actually the real deal
I want to speak to the NYXL doubters who thought Valiant would win
or overrated as fuck like other t2 players
i heard that the AT players arent interested in owl
just in T2 for the scholarship money
I would take an owl contract over a scholarship
well yk
Same
Scholarship will be available to multiple schools for a while
owl careers arent v long
owl contract won't stay
maybe some of the guys want a long term career
That's the thing, owl isn't always going to be here, but college and collegiate will be around for a lot longer
So saving up a lot of money via an owl contract while you're 18-19, and then getting a scholarship once you leave the league would be nice
Overwatch League players who retire also usually go into different games and a streaming career
like iirc apply got an offer for collegiate even
I think
If you say "hey I was in overwatch league" you get one easily
you would have to ask our resident contenders expert micheal
But I can also see not wanting to deal with the stresses of owl and delaying school
Either way they should end up well off
Shock lost 3-2 to fearless on ball 
Mainly Ans/Nero/Super/Choi/Twilight/Viol2t
Glister came in for last map for ans, and smurf played both Koth maps
And honestly
The supports were pretty solid today
just their teamplay fell short
When they had neptuno they arguably were lol. They nearly lost to titans
Neptuno
they still won a game and london/titans didn't 
London had a harder schedule in stage 1
Titans V paris was super close
Titans probably would have won if they had not choked a 5-6 hanamura round
Titans unironically weren't hyper dogshit stage 1 on rush
losing shredlock/rein not being meta and then they became hyper dogshit
Rush is just a very easy comp
Once rush kinda fell of
Titans became hyper shit
Lol
yea that doesn't change my point
super played a good ball at least 

i did the math
if Blizzard gave me all the tokens they owe me, they'd owe me 150 tokens
time to lose to NYXL bois

knuckle up time to buckle up 
wow just found out that sf shock lost again 
Yeah, against fuel


really close map
what's with fdps and playing legs lately
Molanran bad 
Krystal has a Chengdu spray bound lmao
maybe he admires cdh
God free showcheng
free Highbee, throw out the remaining roster 
Seoul lmao
99 - 99 Seoul go brr
Lmaoooo
its always like that
Valiant do well on controll and get rolled everywhere else.
on control they get the enemy to play down to their level

Now that pharah is in the meta, dva's job is to focus down the pharah, so legs can get into some offangles and be generally uncontested
thats how the flex dps' have been playing legs, pharah for burst and distracting dva and soldier to clean up/surprise dps

thats what i think anyway lol
Usually I think so yeah
But since hitscan nerfs are in effect now, pharah is dominant
so i guess pharah is now in a main dps role
So like, highbee I think might be the only one worth saving from valiant, Krystal is outclassed by other dps aside from maybe Dalton and kaylee

what hitscan also plays pharah?
Showcheng sometimes I guess
I dunno, what rein plays ball
All of the eastern teams
Ye
Roll dynasty
Houston Paris Fuel Shock all played ball
Justice ran ball right
Not new, less experienced
Maybe Florida can be a dark horse this tourney
yes so why would you have your hitscan playing her and not your fdps
Colorhex and carpe are the only hitscans I know who would play pharah if they ever did
like generally they'd be better on tracer/sombra
That is weird
Chex was forced to offrole all of last year
I dont really memorize all of the roles but yea that is weird
echo
Mei genji hex 
He's an Ashe one trick that's somehow outperforming im37 on other heroes

im glad uberx is casting
feedcheng
He is literally known most for his sniper aim and he gets put on tracer, soldier, mei, echo, genji, pharah, 
man was wayy way out of position
I hope at least the LAV players are getting paid somewhat
I doubt they're making much
50K a year minimum
yikes
- free housing and amenitie
bigger yikes
I thought there was a scandal a bit ago saying they were getting paid under the 50k but do not quote me on it
don't believe that BS personally
Me neither
I wouldn't want free housing amenities from the LAV org
cut corners at every possibility
Some of them have wealthy family and didn't join for the pay
U.S. Navy living conditions

if they didn't sign those contracts, they'd all be trying to save face
Do they? I haven't heard of that
They knew what they were getting into 
No, he was just saying in general
No that's why I'm asking
I don't expect anything from that org
I'm sure they run out of toilet paper over there
Because I haven't heard much bad news about IGC in general
Like their CSGO roster is v good
They're managed by a Chinese org and just owned by immortals atm
which Chinese org manages them?
I have to look
it sucks knowing that London, Vancouver, and LAV are all gonna drop their rosters and go for new talent
sparkr will stay
maybe Sparkr will be safe if he can clutch the cc
LGE.Huya is the overwatch division of LinGan e-Sports.
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oo LGE
Most of those orgs are trying to get out anyway so they will probably just stay budget
I haven't heard anyone even talk about pubg in over a year
Its number 3
PUBG very popular in south east asia.
I wish Microsoft released player count numbers
Zp 
I wanna know how many people play Minecraft a day
that would be so hard to track
Too many
REVERSE SWEEP INCOMING
Spam this sheep to reverse sweep ๐
There's some third party tracking apps
Widow duel
not only do the LAV suck, their colour scheme is also terrible
Valiant's so nice
Gesture hog lmaoo
spam this gay to help LA
๐ณ๏ธโ๐
Fits a Sombra gamer
watching overwatch league has helped me in comp so much, it's insane
Peak players average is 14 million, monthly unique players is 165 million, estimated 850k right now (pretty sure they're just tracking how many people are playing on a server so that doesnt count realms or singleplayer servers)
same
the vod review tool??? crazy
became a masters tank player just by watching fearless
Learned so much watching Fielder play ana
I should analyse some Hanbin and Void gameplay
Chengdu inspires me to feed on ball
You mean Punk
Chengdu inspires me to never push the payload
Gbs sigma 
Chengdu inspires me to c9
gbs was so good their first two matches
then they got benched with chex

He's a player foach
As did the world
coach
He plays a Jake like role except he doesn't play maps
he has played a map I think
profit no blade challenge
I don't really like most of chengdu's roster but I respect Leave and Yveltal a lot
Also Jake is a goat on and off the game 
Literally slots in as main support after a season off the game

punk and myunbong duo'd together for a few hours
myunbong is so wholesome
punk is Australian
end of story
dude toyou
i aspire to be toyou dva
he's just consuming
where is poko though :(
I guess
Valiant roll
you're also listening to the wrong kind of casting
if you're expecting any deeper analytical analysis of the valiant
This is the start of the reverse sweep
Seoul is all buttered up from stomp after stomp, then valiant turns on turbo mode
by the time valiant drops two maps, seoul is malding and cant focus and they throw
Seoul9 am i right
Seoul about to enter THE ZONE
stationed right at the choke point
valiant cannot mess this up
they really just holed themselves in
they low-key are kinda rolling
Haha balanced ult
inviting valiant to put them in teamfights where they are disadvantaged
Profit is gonna start playing with his hands instead of his feet
profits a tongue gamer

lol
maybe toyou will get rid of the cardboard cutout that's been playing for him all game
Yaki plays with his feet
checkmate plays with his brain
He plays with his brain as a battering ram.
I just want a map for them lmao idec about the series
he attached his brain to his PC and becomes Reinhardt in game
Sheesh
now whenever I say "I support the Valiant", I really mean I hope they manage to win at least 3 maps this season
Yes no support just underdog lols
I hope they win at least 4 maps ๐
I hope they win the cc
If they get to a map win, I uninstall overwatch
They've already won maps before
For this match
have fun playing ow
If they get a map against seoul for this i'll uninstall
Alright, dming profit rn
HEHEH
HAVANA HOPIUM
I'll uninstall and painfully reinstall
I always have an urge to uninstall Overwatch
but I always know that I'm going to want to reinstall it
ggs
actually no gg
yeah ggs
that was terrible
lol
Profit was dressed for bed
Was he? lol
that was either a nightgown or a fly looking jacket over his jersey
Toyou robbed 
who's ready for Philly to lose to the nyxl again
Profit with a snuggie
it'd be an insult for philly to drop their newly found success
6 pulse bombs
just ask philly
Dragons haven't lost to nyxl 3 times in this season so
one for every player
It could happen
No ivy no win 
gonna skip over this match and catch philly vs spark
Shanghai about to go 0-2
can both teams agree to run sigma/ashe/lucio/echo
Teams need a formal agreement to play long range hitscan for my amusement
I miss meme owl games
It's Shanghai integrate their players and find strats tournament
where both teams wouldn't take it as serious
that's called a scrim
It's time to develop and ask who are you to DEVELOP and WHORU
Well that was possible with multi month seasons but this time it's only 16 games
So nobody wants to risk any matches
Shanghai's never going to integrate properly if they get 0-4'd
SO LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN
no bro I already explained it
well my theory is this is still an intense season if you've been competing in three tournaments in a row
so no fleta
lip is optional
Shanghai is dropping maps to get 4th seed since Chengdu is undoubtedly gonna go 4-0 so Shanghai can knock out Chengdu before they reach Hawaii so they can't get the opportunity to lead ahead with league points 
source: trust me
all part of the moon Marijuana visions
fate might as well throw and remember to turn back on in time for the Countdown Cup if they even decide to qualify
Written out across the walls
Written on his ceiling
the crystal ball said so
I like to think there's just a walk in closet sized room in the team house where crusty just does shit tons of Ketamine and writes strats across all the walls
I bet it has a smoke machine and rave lights
crusty vs Lucio dad
I actually earned tokens last stream, so hopefully this one's the same
I'm at 295 tokens
180 here
I'm at 270
wait hey will the post season play ins / play offs / grand finals get their own skin like the stages?
I hope so
I can imagine the playoffs will get a skin
I wish they would do live scrims
gf will get the winner skins
That would be fun to watch
Like if they did something similar to csgo tv
That would require some setting up but. would be fun nonetheless
new feature ow2??? OWTV???
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jaws looks like a vampire
imagine how awful your sleep schedule must be to cast APAC games
nah
that's the lame answer
the correct answer is that the apac casters only are awake during the games and hibernate during the day
No develop or whoru sadge
Shanghai actually gonna try against the bottom feeder teams
Ballin
fake list, no stand1
Yakpung up there in the top 3 is highly amusing, even against NA ball mains
fake list, no Jihun
You know... this means that Shanghai sees NYE as a bigger threat than PHI
Which honestly, with PHI losing to NYE twice...
surprised oge is up there without being played at all recently
nah i can see that happeningh
if you haven't died as much, and the stats add up, it's looking good without much more effort
stats don't decay like SR
unfortunately
would you really want that though
absolutely
I want power rankings by ibm watson to be less shit
okay well then screw IBM
why is Nye running rush btw
we're doing power rankings brought to you by YAHTZEE
power rankings brought to you by marbles
aren't there player cards
I think he means card games like Yu-Gi-Oh or Magic
yea
owl tcg
youngjin
JJonak special ability - eliminate all opponent dps this teamfight
Nye 1 Shd 0
and this actually looks like SHD trying
rather than messing about with lineups yesterday
that was an impressive map 1 by NY
yeah maybe they weren't expecting NYE to do this well
hey, i have a question, why we don't get the OWLtoken when we watch the OWL, i watch it for 6h and i don't receive nothing ;_;
Is your battlenet account linked?
yes
Like does it say connected below the video?
yes
lol dragons
but i don't receive my token ;-;
are you watching the stream or do you have it tabbed out/muted?
no it's not muted
It won't count if the stream isn't at the forefront.
okay thx, i think it's cause some time i stay in my musique page
and the stream is on the second page
thx for ur awnser ;D
โGuys stop saying Shanghai are bad they are just sandbagging so that they get a break and come back well rested for the play offsโ
Lmao let's go new York
Lip emp lmaoo
Oh for Shanghai to get double 3-0 I would cry tears of joy
rip shanghai?
shieet
Lip lmao
Lip getting boomed
Loll oh apac
Lip fastest ult charge in the game fr
lol
lip got 3 emps in like two minutes
you mean philly LUL?
Doha has better EMPs, Lip has more
ehh
dohas sombra has been so so this stage
but granted it was 2 games
not enough data
Now I feel less special about our 3-0 yesterday
he's hardly played it this tourney tbf
in general I mean though
im sure fuel will bounce back
Lip always seems to build more EMPs but Doha's seem to be more efficient
i think its a matter of
if you can generate more EMPs then waiting to find the perfect 6 man emp is a waste
they already have to an extent, beating Shock yesterday
you can win a fight off 1-2 man emps
NY look really good today
Indeed they do
I don't think this is SHD throwing
this is SHD's normal 6 on their best comp
They look like an actual unit for once and not just a bunch of mechanically skilled players

they were yesterday playing Develop and Whoru, let's be real
thats not throwing
Shanghai washed, owl is about to enter the Chengdu Zone
its an objectively weaker roster but its not throwing
sure but if they were really trying to win they'd run their normal 6 let's be honest
feels like yesterday they were just experimenting
yeah no shit but they aren't pressured to really try to win
no need to go full 100% all the time
but credit to NY, this is a fantastic performance
like think about it this way, Dallas Fuel if they were really trying to win could just lock monkey and hard carry against some of the weaker teams
but it is better that they spend their time learning the ball
Supports are doing great for New York rn
so that when hawaii comes they are prepared against chengdu
you say that like Paris are weak
Hawaii isn't coming
Paris lost to Boston running colorhex 
well they've had 2 really tough games so far this stage
they haven't really had a chance to play Winston and win off mechanics alone
maybe against London they will
you don't lose to Chex if you're a good team
i wasnt saying it as in any sepcific match theyve played
Paris is upper mid I'm not dumb it's just funny hehe
im just saying that they could totally win off of winston comp
but that would be bad for them
so teams can definitely make themselves "weaker" but it isnt throwing
Just like Atlanta could spam sym mei all last month didn't matter in the tourney hehe
mhm
Boston and Paris have seriously been neck and neck this entire season
The mid tier is so close
Lip Sombruh god
Plays her like tracer
Oooof the 4 minute hold
Ouch
gg
yawn dank throws nyxl
score?
1-1
But still lost to nyxl
is normal?
Not really
what?
NY are playing really well today
talking to memeicus here
like really well
no i was talking about them "sitting up in their chairs"
they didnt look any different to me
Yeah, it was a joke
It's an expression like when you try hard you lean forward lmao
I have never heard of it
thought memeicus was replying to smth else
Philly beats Shanghai
NYXL beats Philly
NYXL > Shanghai
over here its called when you turn on your monitor
for me its putting my feet down
when im real chilld ill have my feet on my desk
then when i start losing and start getting flamed by my teammates for throwing
feet down, music off, gamer mode on ๐
can't wait for Philly to lose 3-0
at least they'll make knockouts
Dallas is a better team
I really wanna root for him too
Living in y'all's heads rent free
HEADS ๐ NOT ๐ ALLOWED ๐ IN ๐ GWANG'S ๐ LOBBY
you missed a disappointment
Fleta is getting diffed ๐
should have been 3-1 but nyxl didnt step up on kings row
Izayaki is playing like a gold player now๐
nah he gonna say something like "Its the beginning of season" or they just trying things out lmao
Fat fingered that trans๐
izzy been playing fine
ball onetrick shitters
poog
staying home must be great
no it sucks
rip
ive been stuck in lockdown for like
over a year now
allmost 2
im going fkn insane bro
oh
i havent seen a real human being in so long
Whoโs your team?
go outside
reign
๐๐๐ nvm
my team is great right?๐
u can go out tho
why would i go out?
Wait Dragonsi s actually planking
i could get covid/spread covid and give it to someone else

in germany i can even go to the gym
im not an essential worker
Yeah Shd doubled your league points๐๐ป
a luxury
i dont have a reason to go out
yeah exactly
i could go out but its just for luxury
nothing important
but they are staying home ๐
actually
they played the knockouts at their homestand and had to go home on the high speed railway
Toronto, need, to, win, something, please. I hope they play Logix like the Boston colorhex play lmaoo
i go to store maybe once every 3 months in last year and half and I am just fine with it haha
and even longer when they played at the hangzhou homestand
going out an doing smth really helps your mental

Reign is a great team tho, allegedly the five games that they lost, theyโre just not sweating, if theyโre actually trying theyโre definitely gonna be the champion team
fax
ok bro
only younger or older
lmao i got it twice last year and it was a tiny fever for 3 days

anecdotal
it affects everyone tbh
Anyway
Let's move on from this though
use mask
no more covid speak in esports discussion
was amazing
This just sounds like BS excuses for losing. Why would you not try and win.
How about Flora tho and the rise of apac flex gods like flora shy leave

flora is having the game of his life right now
cause they are chads
Totally true, Reign just throwing games during this season cause they know theyโll go 16-0 if they just try a little bit, Gator even said they just donโt care about winning the tournament, theyโre just THAT good
????
fleather
dont know if bait or mentally deranged
true true
atlanta fans can be either
idk if you are trolling or not sicko
"fleather"
i am very much confused
fleather and feaora
Canโt you tell Iโm being sarcastic๐
unironically no
Honestly in this chat, 99% of people are actually dense enough to say it and believe it ๐
only team that is THAT GOOD and could 16-0 easy is titans kek
there have been people that have come into this chat and said some crazy shit
This sounds like a real message
All the rookie flex dps this year have been great
agreed
tbf every reign loss has been close besides shanghai 0-3s
im gonna say something real stupid but why do all the good teams have good records on volskaya
As you can see, reign is insane this season, theyโre so good that OWL make them throw games so the league will be somehow competitive. Gator is obviously the best main tank in the world
Teru, naist, assassin, pelican, flora, shy, aspire, leave playing like he is now, Kevster 
like what about volskaya specifically, is it the importance of macro positioning?
if sombra is invis and she gets bubble or zen ord are those visible to enemy team?
ur so smart
Because only good teams study volskaya, the shittiest map in the game
Checkmate?
bubble yes
discord also yes
harmony no

Casual 4k for Izayaki
izayaki got mad
casual izzy gaming
Sheesh
sleep pulse
im just ready for new game mode in ow2 and see how it will be played
what the fuck are shanghai doing?
shanghai going 0-2 would make my day
^
it would be funny
well

we'll see when they do play nex week
If new York has to play Shanghai knockout again then ez philly go through tho
Also forgot about Chengdu kind of
Hmm
i have dallas paris dragon and hunters making it
This meta is literally a chengdu meta, they should be good
shanghai throwing to get 4th seed so they can knock out chengdu before chengdu makes it to hawaii and gets a chance to get more league points and catch up 
LOL
because if chengdu goes to hawaii theyll get 2nd place at least
New York Shanghai Shock Dallas is my pred 
and thats +2 league points
Hehe dhock
Shanghai are guaranteed #1 seed even if they lose 3-0 all of CC. Thats how far ahead they are lol
I mean overall #1 seed
well yeah but thats unrelated to what i was saying
Fucking commentators just startled me fuck
I'm too high for this shit
Curse you zp
jaegon mercy pogging
what is with jaws and dancing today
Mmm jaegon gets too much hate he's second best main support in the league after moth 
Moth boner activated
moth this season hasnt played enough but in general yea
jaegon vs moth mercy boxing for countdown cup content
You have 3
There's a lot of great supports lines though Glads Shanghai Chengdu Fusion
they dont even faraway
Dallas
and i was so hyped for him
Me too
mmonk really said sit down to faraway in a zen meta
wonder how balls nerf gonna look after this countdown cup
But then they said fuck it other teams were gonna take mmonk and put aprita on our contenders team so you guys don't get the best free agent prospects even though we don't need em
Then it turned out
Mmonk is nuts
i really thought faraway was just gonna be their zen player after they play mmonk in the start
Mmonk and Alarm are my favorite flex supports rn
its basically just less stalling
its an overall buff tho
shields no cd
Oooh oooh nyxl come on
his grapple needs a cooldown so he cant infinite roll
grapple does have a cd

no once you connect you can hold it forever it should only have like 3-6 seconds of hold'
I disagree
Infinite roll or infinite speed roll ๐ฅ
Oh I get it
You can't hold on to something forever you mean?
Both should be kept, you can get cc'd out
you can
Yeah but, he doesnt like that as a feature
Yeah I know but he said he wants it to have cooldown so I was clarifying
but thats not even that big of a thing
oh my bad
i like the infinite roll
so you can swing on voskaya and lijang tower
drawskaya incoming
Well fleta got literally every final blow that round I think
How is new York still alive
map 5 time
yess

we go aganeee
finally no draw
My Pickems are destroyed btw
wy predict?
Pickems boomed
NYXL did not deal with pharah nearly well enough :(
this was suppose to be 3-1 dragons
I got Paris wrong, Houston and Atlanta wrong justice wrong Boston wrong 
I predded shock to win against fuel, justice to beat houston, glads to beat Atlanta, Paris to beat boston
i got all 3 na matches wrong last night
me
Literally same
I also had Dallas beat Paris
who you all got for the next game
Fusion
i have spark 3-2
fusion looked great yesterda
fusion 3-1
leejae tower
we goooo
Why Nye rush
why are the western teams playing ball and the eastern teams playing orisa/rush
what was that emp
i hate pharmacy so much lol
yeah feels like its going to get old pretty quick this tourney if pharmercy is meta
ye
theres just no real counter to it even hitscan not really that good against it
Yep
you could make mercy's flying to teammates cooldown longer to stop it possibly but then that ruins mercy as a healer
If this goes on it will be the most boring tournament so far
like even if Ashe wasn't banned and hitscans weren't nerfed, having a hitscan forces you to play a different comp and just lose from comp diff
@willow tartan i mean in general not just owl
The map pool is very nice for Pharah too. Decent maps for playing it
It's the echo ban that tips it over
During the summer showdown we still saw the echo to counter the pharah
ye
echo and ashe. Ashe/Mercy might well be enough to counter it
Mcree just doesnt have the range, and Widow is too vunerable against the ball/tracer
give her rockets dmg drop off or take away aoe
fleta casual 7k
Feels like shock vs dallas all over again
Lmao give pharah more dmg but no splash
Nice
wait I just woke up
least its going to map that isnt very pharah friendly
Is shd trolling again or is my team finally not shit
NYE gonna rush this
Nye playing good, Shanghai playing 13D chess with themselves
Lets go nyxl
That pulse
lol pharah back
Ah yes I always knew my team was #1 apac
oh no not Pharah
Why is this so close
like make it real close at the minimum
Spark v philly?
Even on this map the Pharah is great..
because shd have pharah
pharah is worse on night market than it is on control center
SHD have fleta ๐
Whoru pharah better
nah fleta would be down bad and it would have been 3-1 nyxl if he wasnt on pharah
Whoru pharah and develop tracer yesterday were great
Playoff patch is going to be echo pharah meta
no
how did shd go from ez 3-0 every team to pure struggle in 2 weeks
Hog meta again :)
NOOOOO
loooool
wtf
I like the soldier buff
rekt
LOL
THE SHANG 9
Shang9
LOL
The Shang9
WOOP
lmao
NO ONE TOUCHED
HAHAA
Shanghai?????

sad
Classic Shang9
SHANG9
LMAO THEY ACTUALLY GONNA GO 1-3
not sad, funny
YES
2-2
nyxl 4-0 dream
Bahaha
LOL
Niiiice
what is happening
What's happening
nyxl played out of their mind
The casters simp so hard for Shanghai
Fuel and Dragons both are underperforming at the beginning of this season
They did it today and yesterday
yes but nyxl need to learn pharah by end of this or they be knocked out
fuel won against shock tho
Fleta was fuckin tho
BARELY
like barely barely won against a shock that fcked around with comps
i didnt watch it i just saw the score
Because shock never wins control
Stages aren't separate seasons
apart from volskaya, i think the momentum was in favour of nyxl
OWC is the one that does a new season per month
KNEW SUPER WOULD PLAY BALL
whenever shanghai won, it seemed it was out of clutch instead of controlled plays
i always get the terms mixed up but yk what i mean
who ever took the screenshot ilysm
Shock used to always win control lul
nyxl dps + jjonak played outta their mind
it makes me laugh every time i see it
Hello what is score
Striker used to always win control
Dragons are -4 right now. They will not make it into the Countdown Cup.
that stick on night market won them the game, that was utterly ridiculous
true :(
depression
That was just beautiful
@willow tartan we cry today
what makes you say that?
Did shanghai lose their last 2 games?
They can skirt by if they go 6-0 for the next two matches
yup. im sad



