i think if ball is meta glads could make it
#esports-discussion
next mesa
u know im surprised s1 dragons didnt get a dub with fearless geguri diya ado
hot onyx
Babybay lol
raw ermine
next mesa
good shit baby
gusty rampart
Based NYXL
They usually always make a statement about these things
They did for BLM and Stop Asian Hate
hot onyx
Good SMM
raw ermine
he ain't done
north relic
u know im surprised s1 dragons didnt get a dub with fearless geguri diya ado
You forgot Roshan
next mesa
Ado actually décent now
forest raven
Oh my lord Jaws' video on the talent takedown draft was incredible 
plush grail
Oh my lord Jaws' video on the talent takedown draft was incredible <:OMEGALUL:54...
i dont remember asking
forest raven
Paris fan's brain continues to be nonexistent 
mortal abyss
Based nyxl
forest raven
I don’t remember asking either
Aren't you a Glads fan 
noble nexus
I don’t even know what team you support but I bet it sucks
Unless you’re a bandwagon
forest raven
I support the greatest team in the history of overwatch
noble nexus
In which case: fuck you
barren quest
Shock fans 
balmy wolf
I support the greatest team in the history of overwatch
Dallas Fuel nice
forest raven
tropic herald
I support the greatest team in the history of overwatch
shanghai?
forest raven
Shanghai's championship titles?
tropic herald
shock in hawaii 
noble nexus
Yeah haha imagine not getting to Hawaii
barren quest
Shock still can't make tournaments this season 
forest raven
barren quest
Not even making knockouts in SS
balmy wolf
Dallas will win the rest of the OWL titles
forest raven
plush grail
this chat is slowly just turning into a bullying pit
tropic herald
quote me when im wrong but
fearless on ball 
jecse off lucio
barren quest
Do you think the Ball Tracer Sombra meta will continue on for this tournament?
forest raven
Rapel in for zen 
tropic herald
Do you think the Ball Tracer Sombra meta will continue on for this tournament?
as of now, pros still playing those heroes in ranked so id imagine they have some importance in scrims rn
mortal abyss
Twitter
hot onyx
this chat is slowly just turning into a bullying pit
Shut up, European.
plush grail
Shut up, European.
you actual dumbass the uk is still in europe but ur just not a part of the EU anymore
hot onyx
you actual dumbass the uk is still in europe but ur just not a part of the EU an...
The UK is in Europe but England isn’t
next mesa
https://twitter.com/jasonschreier/status/1420066453789855747?s=20
good shit
hot onyx
No team in this league is bad enough to lose to NYXL 3 times this season
balmy wolf
i have fusion going 0-4
hot onyx
I have Atlanta going 2-2
hot onyx
At least you’ve got hope
plush grail
reign play glads, houoston, florida and dallas
balmy wolf
i feel bad for u
plush grail
i dont see them getting anything better than 1-3
balmy wolf
u cant see anything idiot
plush grail
marbel
balmy wolf
ian
plush grail
who plays ball on ratlanta
plush grail
daan is legit s tier
balmy wolf
gator ball is actually good
plush grail
also isnt gator a off tank
balmy wolf
u will see
plush grail
and hawk the mt???
balmy wolf
???
hot onyx
Gator is the main support dumbass
balmy wolf
denthead
noble nexus
and hawk the mt???
Yeah hawk is their mt
balmy wolf
gator hitscan
noble nexus
Gator is their carry fdps tho
plush grail
sorry i just give 0 fucks about ratlanta
balmy wolf
cree god
noble nexus
True
vagrant cargo
i have atlanta going 4-0
i can see it depending on meta
vagrant cargo
if its orisa and ball comps then probably 3-1
i think atlanta dick on fuel on those
balmy wolf
yeah
vagrant cargo
glads prolly a 3-2 atlanta again
balmy wolf
glads is the best orisa team tho
vagrant cargo
yeah
vagrant cargo
but i think ball is more likely
balmy wolf
nice name ian
vagrant cargo
luigi is right tho
barren quest
glads is the best orisa team tho
Over ATL?
vagrant cargo
EU>NA
plush grail
this meta is pefect for paris
vagrant cargo
also yeah glads orisa comps are superb
noble nexus
EU>NA
vagrant cargo
real
noble nexus
Birtish
noble nexus
You actually type like a toddler Luigi stop talking to me
hot onyx
After releasing their best players
balmy wolf
i have paris going 3-1
plush grail
bro i just got done from work ofcourse im not gonna have perfect grammar
balmy wolf
maybe 4-0
forest raven
EU>NA
Never forget the 2 month old American Tornado 4-3'd the year old British Hurricane
plush grail
1 blocked message
balmy wolf
lol
plush grail
Just noticed Paris goes against Fuel this weekend lel
the new up and coming rookies vs the washed paris fucks
wait fuck
that sentence
balmy wolf
paris beats fuel
hot onyx
Never forget the 2 month old American Tornado 4-3'd the year old British Hurrica...
Never forget that the 2 year old Hurricane had a near winless season when forced to play at a high level
noble nexus
Luigi’s brain is literally fried
forest raven
EU pepelaugh
vagrant cargo
Never forget the 2 month old American Tornado 4-3'd the year old British Hurrica...
would u say CN>KR?
forest raven
No
vagrant cargo
then the AT comparison doesnt make sense
plush grail
would u say CN>KR?
why the fuck would canada be above korea???
forest raven
What 
hot onyx
why the fuck would canada be above korea???
Because of Roolf, you brainlet
vagrant cargo
EU contenders overall was still better than NA contenders
noble nexus
why the fuck would canada be above korea???
xQc 
vagrant cargo
obey literally dicked odyseyy running off meta rein comps
while Odyssey were forcing double shield sweating their balls off
with ping advantage too lmaoo
forest raven
EU pepelaugh
plush grail
NA contenders is overrated as fuck
vagrant cargo
new kings sheer cold and exO were also on the same level as obey
so like EU contenders had 4 teams that would dick on any NA contenders team not named AT
hot onyx
5*
plush grail
doesnt europe have more owl players than na
hot onyx
Somebody keeps forgetting about 4th Dimension smh
vagrant cargo
yeah
EU has more+only 2 NA rookies this season 💀
and one is the definition of mid
vagrant cargo
aspire
hot onyx
Joobi and Aspire
vagrant cargo
aspire solid
vagrant cargo
yeah
twin bloom
while Odyssey were forcing double shield sweating their balls off
They were forcing doom and hazno every map lmao. Also their MS was on FS while their FS was on MS
sullen berry
Dropping a fat yeet into the ether http://twitter.com/GZCharge/status/1419740704675274753
vagrant cargo
but EU has given OWL kaan dridro vestola etc tvis szn
plush grail
EU has had tons of good rookies this year
vagrant cargo
They were forcing doom and hazno every map lmao. Also their MS was on FS while ...
rak was on brig luke on bap
stop coping
twin bloom
EU has more+only 2 NA rookies this season 💀
Almost like their 2 teams dedicated to EU lmfao
vagrant cargo
and malthel also played tracer
hot onyx
Brb gonna go pred Charge to lose 3-0 every match and post it in their server
vagrant cargo
Almost like their 2 teams dedicated to EU lmfao
paris also trialed NA players
twin bloom
rak was on brig luke on bap
They played Rak zen luke brig
twin bloom
paris also trialed NA players
And they did great lmao?
twin bloom
Yeah
vagrant cargo
they jad to scrimm low tier 3 teams
plush grail
Almost like their 2 teams dedicated to EU lmfao
well yeah because the teams in NA would rather pick up koreans 
vagrant cargo
and the NA players in particular sucked
hot onyx
paris had barely any good players in trials
Neptuno???
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only one that did well was zholik
and he got cucked
NA just aint a good region especialy this season
plush grail
me > you
balmy wolf
ian ur plat
plush grail
im gm
balmy wolf
u < me
vagrant cargo
if we look at the two regions in tier 1 EU has:
Onigod Naga Dridro Kaan Vestola Kevster Shockwave Kai Masaa
NA has:
Moth Danteh Nero lol
balmy wolf
u < ntb
vagrant cargo
and aspire ig
balmy wolf
u < draw
twin bloom
well yeah because the teams in NA would rather pick up koreans <:OMEGALUL:776276...
I mean yeah lmao. If the NA teams were budget than more NA contenders players would get picked up
forest raven
How is super and Space not on that list
forest raven
?
vagrant cargo
super has had some abysmal performances
forest raven
It's impossible for an OCE player to be overrated
twin bloom
and aspire ig
Aspire isn't best NA hs
plush grail
if we look at the two regions in tier 1 EU has:
Onigod Naga Dridro Kaan Vestola ...
EU also has poko and fdgod, dont forget them
twin bloom
Also Gator>super
vagrant cargo
fdgod has been whacky tvis season at times
hot onyx
if we look at the two regions in tier 1 EU has:
Onigod Naga Dridro Kaan Vestola ...
Dalton Roolf Fire FRDWNR
vagrant cargo
and yeah gator is worth mentioning
twin bloom
Lol
vagrant cargo
Dalton Roolf Fire FRDWNR
i listed good players
forest raven
Gator can't play half the main tanks lole
balmy wolf
Also Gator>super
hes speaking the language of gods
plush grail
fdgod has been whacky tvis season at times
still is a top tier EU talent, despite wonky performances
vagrant cargo
yeah aight
hot onyx
i listed good players
You forgot to list the best though
vagrant cargo
then include FD as well
forest raven
That's a cap
vagrant cargo
no its not
twin bloom
Not cap
balmy wolf
its not
vagrant cargo
the only map glads won vs shock in opening was because supers winston is so bad
balmy wolf
stop shitting on gator
vagrant cargo
muze legit winston diffed him so hard
twin bloom
Gator winston is not the worst thing in the world
plush grail
wow gator winston > super winston, what a god
earnest leaf
Gator/super have identical hero pools
hot onyx
Gator sucks but his winston is much better than Supers
vagrant cargo
gator also a better orisa
forest raven
Holy this server is so low on super
twin bloom
wow gator winston > super winston, what a god
His rein orisa also better
vagrant cargo
and has been the better rein this season
plush grail
super sigma > gator sigma
earnest leaf
Gator can be argued with the better orisa
vagrant cargo
idk gator didnt get buttfucked by hadi
hot onyx
Gator/super have identical hero pools
Gator: rein orisa ball winston
Super:rein hog genji
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fr
twin bloom
Lmao
barren quest
Super also plays Orisa
forest raven
Saying winston is in gator's hero pool
earnest leaf
No?
twin bloom
Super isn't bad
hot onyx
Their hero pools are about as identical as Morgan Freeman and Josh Wilkinson
balmy wolf
super is a great leader
vagrant cargo
ye
twin bloom
Gator is better this season
vagrant cargo
real
barren quest
He still is?
vagrant cargo
based on what
plush grail
daan ball >>>>>>> actual gold ball >>>> super ball
earnest leaf
Mfs overrating the mt that has been underperforming for two seasons and just starting to not suck
vagrant cargo
i have gator high B
balmy wolf
lol what
barren quest
Recency bias 
vagrant cargo
how is that overrating
balmy wolf
we dont overrate
hot onyx
daan ball >>>>>>> actual gold ball >>>> super ball
One of the rare reasonable takes from Ian
balmy wolf
u underrate him
balmy wolf
Who is better in OWL
wasnt talking to u sry
twin bloom
Gator had the Dogman overwatch as FS in s3
vagrant cargo
he can also play winston just not outstanding
twin bloom
Give him a break
vagrant cargo
also gator started off great in S3
hot onyx
SUPER A TIER ORISA AHAH!?
plush grail
One of the rare reasonable takes from Ian
shut up paolo
forest raven
Mfs overrating the mt that has been underperforming for two seasons and just sta...
Yeah but super got shattered twice so he's a c tier mt now
vagrant cargo
hes just a very volatile player
vagrant cargo
SUPER A TIER ORISA AHAH!?
i was talking abt gator
hot onyx
i was talking abt gator
My b
vagrant cargo
Yeah but super got shattered twice so he's a c tier mt now
super has had look weak several games this szn
sullen berry
@plush grail go on, don't be shy. It's just charge pickems
plush grail
<@196967745877704705> go on, don't be shy. It's just charge pickems
it smells like bitch in there
vagrant cargo
it has always been solid
sullen berry
Also I can agree with your judgment on your nick this one time
earnest leaf
Also he won owwc on orisa lmao
forest raven
Every single player on the shock has looked weak several games this season
vagrant cargo
owwc is a tier 3 tourney
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Gator is B
balmy wolf
overall maybe
vagrant cargo
team SK in 2019 went even in scrimms with teams like phase 2
and denmark a rlly strong team literally scrimmed my team and we werent even rlly tier 3
just 4.5
balmy wolf
i think gator is arguably the best orisa in the game
barren quest
Every single player on the shock has looked weak several games this season
More like the macro just fell
forest raven
i think gator is arguably the best orisa in the game
Holy the fucking cope
balmy wolf
after muze
plush grail
i think gator is arguably the best orisa in the game
C O P E
earnest leaf
i think gator is arguably the best orisa in the game
now that's not even true lmao
vagrant cargo
id put those above him no debate
forest raven
vagrant cargo
u can make a case for top 3 tho yeat
barren quest
Smurf?
vagrant cargo
yeah
twin bloom
Smurf been benched for the super horse
forest raven
Flame
earnest leaf
Smurf literally ran orisa most of last season and they were still pounding
twin bloom
That doesn't mean smurf is bad on orisa what
Who said that
plush grail
marbel i have a legit question for u
twin bloom
Lol
forest raven
Shock isn't winning every single tourney this season
So all the players are bad now
earnest leaf
Mfs on the bandwagon that super is just a streamer who happens to be in owl
balmy wolf
marbel i have a legit question for u
ask shitter
twin bloom
All the shock players are good
plush grail
ask shitter
were u ever dropped on ur head as a child
forest raven
We bringing the c tier mt meme back? 
twin bloom
You rate gator above super
Thats facts
balmy wolf
were u ever dropped on ur head as a child
actually i fell off the stairs when i was 3 years old
twin bloom
No meme
vagrant cargo
this season he has been better yes lol
and i dont rlly like gator but i do like super
barren quest
Shock's coordination just died for some reason
plush grail
actually i fell off the stairs when i was 3 years old
explains a lot my man
forest raven
There's only one main tank I'd call elite in the league this year, and that's Fate
twin bloom
Yall probably thought gravy>>Jjanu last year lmao
balmy wolf
explains a lot my man
thats why i can love u bro
earnest leaf
No one rated gravy that highly what
barren quest
And they need to stop playing merry go around with roster swaps
plush grail
thats why i can love u bro
did falling on ur head make u gay??
vagrant cargo
bro what is that take
twin bloom
No one rated gravy that highly what
Redditors did
vagrant cargo
how is fate an elite MT
balmy wolf
did falling on ur head make u gay??
no but i love my dutch brothers
earnest leaf
Redditors did
redditors also probably think leave is their dads
barren quest
Pls play FDgod all the time on MS
twin bloom
Lmao
vagrant cargo
he has had way to many bad games to be considered elite especialy if u say hes the ONLY elite MT
barren quest
I don't want to see Viol2t MS again
twin bloom
Fearless best MT
barren quest
And Twilight Brig
twin bloom
Hanbin best OT
balmy wolf
gator best mt
twin bloom
Jecksay bad
twin bloom
gator best mt
Nah. He's like top 8 ish
vagrant cargo
mag muze fearless ga9a are deffo in the same tier as fate
balmy wolf
Nah. He's like top 8 ish
im trolling
earnest leaf
Fearless has an elite monkey and that's about it
forest raven
You don't go to 3 out of 3 tournament finals and win 2 of them without an elite main tank. Fate's looked great on 3 out of the 4 main tanks
earnest leaf
solid A tier rein though
vagrant cargo
fearless rein is elite too
twin bloom
im trolling
I know but some people think its unironic
balmy wolf
fearless is obv best mt
twin bloom
Lmao
cedar oasis
Wierdo
vagrant cargo
You don't go to 3 out of 3 tournament finals and win 2 of them without an elite ...
well then rio and guxue are elite too last season
twin bloom
Fax
vagrant cargo
because they made finals
plush grail
no but i love my dutch brothers
???
forest raven
Ah yes
plush grail
hold me baby
ratlanta shut
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fearless S tier rein
forest raven
I'm not talking about one final
vagrant cargo
i can see him being considered elite
cedar oasis
So wich player got banned for being a pedo this year
forest raven
I'm talking about multiple over the course of an entire season across multiple metas
plush grail
pog uvalo is alive
vagrant cargo
but saying he is the only elite MT is mad bullshit
balmy wolf
ratlanta shut
i wanna see u laugh
vagrant cargo
also his rein is way to weak to be considered elite imo
like i wouldnt consider fate S tier on any hero but ball and MAYBE orisa
forest raven
If Fate isn't elite, then no mt in the league is elite
vagrant cargo
well
next mesa
no shanghai as a team is elite
vagrant cargo
MuZe and Mag and Fearless exist, Fearless is S tier on two MTs and a solid orisa just a meh ball
but i rather have a meh ball then a meh rein if i pick a MT
because if ur winston is good enough u can make winston work in ball metas
next mesa
couldnt make it work this time 
vagrant cargo
happens
forest raven
Lost the monkey mirror on Gibraltar btw
barren quest
Against Gaga
twin bloom
If Fate isn't elite, then no mt in the league is elite
Fearless
forest raven
Fearless can't play orisa or ball
twin bloom
Yeah he can
He just hasn't played orisa
Because orisa
Requires a HS
And no NA mt
Plays ball
vagrant cargo
except muze
cedar oasis
Is mano not consistent anymore
forest raven
Philly fucking blows
hot onyx
I agree
plush grail
Is mano not consistent anymore
ask @cedar oasis
hot onyx
Remind me about the Shocks season
forest raven
Remind me about the Shocks season
Shock is 2nd in NA 
balmy wolf
Muze is underrated
hot onyx
Shock is 2nd in NA <:SmileT:604187336116273182>
Remind me how many times they won a map during knockouts
forest raven
Zero
vagrant cargo
mano is consistent
cedar oasis
So shock is cock
vagrant cargo
consistently shitting the bed
vagrant cargo
Muze is underrated
real
hot onyx
Mano has been out of position imo quite a few times from what I’ve seen
forest raven
I can't wait to see Glads continue to not learn any lessons from their losses in the summer showdown
forest raven
vagrant cargo
and moon
plush grail
jmac is on the paris train
vagrant cargo
jmac wants more than 1k a year
hot onyx
jmac is on the paris train
Jmac was good when he played for the better EU team
plush grail
why would he leave a thriving or for a failing org
plush grail
im pretty sure ive seen some posts about paris getting more budget slowly
forest raven
Imagine spending 7 figures for a roster and not going to hawaii
vagrant cargo
im pretty sure ive seen some posts about paris getting more budget slowly
how
their owbers are busy
hard investing into olympique marseille
vagrant cargo
vestola buyout was cheap as fuck
balmy wolf
Muze has been the second best MT in NA
vagrant cargo
real
balmy wolf
Mag hasn’t been consistent all season obviously
hot onyx
Fusion and Glads fans telling themselves that this year is a setup year and that next year will be dominant
vagrant cargo
W
hot onyx
Remind me of that time Glads made Hawaii
twin bloom
Lmao
twin bloom
Remind me of that time Glads made Hawaii
Glads compete with dallas justice reign to make it
vagrant cargo
fun fact
twin bloom
Fusion compete with NYXL
twin bloom
I meab
forest raven
L
twin bloom
Was it before
hot onyx
Fun fact
twin bloom
The KR ringers
vagrant cargo
i think yeah
hot onyx
Philly spent an additional 100k to secure temporary replacements in Tobi and Hotba
twin bloom
Thats just fusion burning money
forest raven
Fusion can
vagrant cargo
hotba and tobi are paid pretty well
forest raven
Comcast money 
hot onyx
Imagine being one of the richest orgs in the league and using that money to obtain Hotba
barren quest
Where is Sanigular
vagrant cargo
mans been fucking on T1
barren quest
Ah
hot onyx
Yeah
hot onyx
And got benched for Bernar on a team that won a total of like 3 matches last season
vagrant cargo
because vindaim better
vagrant cargo
And got benched for Bernar on a team that won a total of like 3 matches last sea...
bro
do u even watch kr contenders
hot onyx
Actually yes I do
hot onyx
And Clestyn is easily the best ot in kr contenders
hot onyx
Max
hot onyx
Woohyal
vagrant cargo
yeah nah u didnt watch it
hot onyx
And Attack
twin bloom
For being benched
vagrant cargo
attack is by far the best
hot onyx
I’m talking this season of kr contenders
vagrant cargo
hasnt started yet
hot onyx
Ok please
vagrant cargo
clestyn is second
hot onyx
Year, not season my b
vagrant cargo
max and whoohyal are both a tier below clestyb
so clestyn had the contenders arc already
hot onyx
No he needs the “back to Contenders” arc that Fearless and Rascal had
next mesa
did he win
hot onyx
Listen
vagrant cargo
he made finals i think
hot onyx
He came 4th
vagrant cargo
but rascal didnt win shit in tier 2 either
next mesa
anyways whens proper getting signed
hot onyx
There’s literally 4 good teams in kr contenders and T1 came 4th
hot onyx
At that time
And at the time where the visa issues were at their worst, Clestyn was barely halfway into the season iirc
hot onyx
Yeah but look deeper
vagrant cargo
clestyn looked great every map he played lol
hot onyx
2-way contracts have not worked well in the past
vagrant cargo
?
hot onyx
Remember Elk?
vagrant cargo
LMFAO
there have always been signings that didnt work out
not just two way
theres no in game diff between a 2way and a only owl signed playet
hot onyx
Name one 2-way contract that worked
next mesa
yveltal
next mesa
💀
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lateyoung
tropic herald
Gator 2 way
tropic herald
It worked when they need that sigma
vagrant cargo
^
hot onyx
None of those count because they are irrelevant to this season 😎
tropic herald
Ok
vagrant cargo
^
forest raven
Lateyoung is such a chad
vagrant cargo
isnt farway 2way as well
tropic herald
LY was a pleasant surprise
hot onyx
Glads fan, didn’t read
tropic herald
I don’t think farway is
next mesa
farway not 2way
faraway*
oops
wait
farway
wait fuck
i forgot
okay its farway
my bad
vagrant cargo
Don’t need to argue when you’re a Glads fan
L
vagrant cargo
🥱
next mesa
also o2blast is too strong
tropic herald
Charge wanted to sign CC
next mesa
what happened bro
not enough money
okay but also o2blast is too stacked
so imagine kr contenders champion
hot onyx
O2 Blast more like Oh, 2 good players
tropic herald
I might be spitting out bs but I remember reading it somewhere
next mesa
and then u add f4ze chiyo mer1t
the 1 man show
proper time
bro just spit it out dont be like "i need help"
hot onyx
I like money, what do you need help for?
next mesa
have u heard of the thing that says
dont say "can I ask a question" bro just ask the questino
I think we had this conversation before who would win prime AT or weakest runaway roster
hot onyx
I think we had this conversation before who would win prime AT or weakest runawa...
4th Dimension
forest raven
What even is the weakest RA roster
tropic herald
Probably the most recent one
next mesa
I would say the most recent one
tropic herald
Which yes
hot onyx
Merit Ado F4ZE Chiyo Simple probably
tropic herald
Simple seems pretty cool
hot onyx
AT advances to the finals and plays vs Ground Zero Gaming
willow tartan
unfortunately....
willow tartan
but it would be fun to watch
twin bloom
AT da goat team
next mesa
okay 2019 atl academy or 2020 AT
trail perch
Atl acad
twin bloom
Close
next mesa
so proud of myself
twin bloom
Close
next mesa
speedily vs
twin bloom
Gator is better than reiner
But I think coluge is better than hawk
At least on the simga
trail perch
Ur crazy
twin bloom
Hawk dva probably better
trail perch
Hawk is really really good
twin bloom
He is
earnest leaf
who isn't better than hawk tbh
trail perch
Like great for OWL standards
next mesa
Speedily vs Sugarfree noice
next mesa
coluge
trail perch
Colouge is a contenders OT
twin bloom
At have the better dps
trail perch
Ehhhh
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I thought it was Cucumber
twin bloom
Colouge is a contenders OT
He'd be in OWL if he hadn't fucked up
trail perch
Saucy hitscan>>>>
trail perch
The overall skill of NA contenders has dropped so much
twin bloom
He was good when all the academy teams were their
twin bloom
Yeah
twin bloom
Also best player on wave check
trail perch
But good
trail perch
Hard disagree
Hawk shines on sigma
Ofc dvas his best hero
But his sig just hits diff
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its ayt
trail perch
Fastro diff tho
candid radish
2018 shanghai were really that bad huh
trail perch
Fastro doesn’t lose
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but if u have kodak
trail perch
Emotes in spawn
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and ojee is good
trail perch
But fastro
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hydron speedily wub
trail perch
And a top tier owl tankline
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more like mid tier
trail perch
I mean they made hawaii twice and have been fucking nutty
earnest leaf
they got omega stomped this last hawaii
trail perch
And it’s not just pelican
earnest leaf
and only beat nyxl the past one
trail perch
Omega stomped??
twin bloom
they got omega stomped this last hawaii
Did better than NyXL and chengdu
trail perch
They took Dallas to map 5
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hydron speedily wub better than sugarfree and saucy
earnest leaf
their tanklines inability to run dive and beat top teams is not so great
Yea dallas wasn't looking so hot either
but atl still lost
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They are too inflexible
trail perch
I mean they took Dallas map 5 twice
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cant be top 5
trail perch
And 3-0 justice
twin bloom
I think their top 10 easily
twin bloom
Top 5 in the right meta
trail perch
They ran decay
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ye
trail perch
Very map
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o
trail perch
Every map
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I just assumed its one of those
twin bloom
Justice just got rolled in the rush
trail perch
Mag just got tapped
twin bloom
Mirror
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cant remember
earnest leaf
gator/hawk can play rein/dva/orisa/sig shit decently
trail perch
Gapped
earnest leaf
Outside of that they get gapped by most tanklines imo for dive
twin bloom
^^
earnest leaf
that's the thing, they just don't run dive since they would lose way more often on it
they stick to what they can do
But for a tankline to be top tier, or really good, they need to be way more flexible
Shit like shock's tanks, shd tanks, even dallas tanks tbh
where you would trust those rosters to run most tank lines at a pretty high level
maybe weaker on one
willow tartan
i want to say shock should do good with ball comps but i have no faith in them left
earnest leaf
In theory and in the past they have
but shock this season is a thonker
they 100% can run ball and do well, just idk if they will
hot onyx
No good team gets taken to map 5 by London
earnest leaf
And dallas got taken to map 5 by florida
willow tartan
No good team loses to NYXL twice.
earnest leaf
against checkmate mt
mortal abyss
No good team gets taken to map 5 by London
What happened to sans’ cowboy hat
hot onyx
No good team loses to NYXL twice.
No good team loses to NYXL thrice*
forest raven
Dallas has had two map 5 series against Florida at this point so
hot onyx
What happened to sans’ cowboy hat
Luigi changed his name to “sans is dumb” so I did this
earnest leaf
Basically every team has their days where they just fucking drop the ball on everything
mortal abyss
Luigi changed his name to “sans is dumb” so I did this
Lmfao
hot onyx
no team can be untouchable
Except Defiant
mortal abyss
Shock last year lost 4 games in total
willow tartan
4 regular season games or?
earnest leaf
3 regular season games, 1 tourney game
willow tartan
glads, valiant, paris, philly
hot onyx
Imagine not winning every tournament in one season lmao what a shit team
earnest leaf
shock came the closest
since their game vs paris came down to one fight
and I think they would have beaten philly in the finals
hot onyx
Without a good genji player at the time?
earnest leaf
shd potentially could make it super close if they win this stage
the nearly beat paris running tracer the whole time
willow tartan
dragons dropped 5 games in 2020
hot onyx
Shock would’ve lost 4-2
earnest leaf
in a series that went to one fight
vagrant cargo
shock would have beaten philly
paris were exhausted
and still won
and shock lost by one fight
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1 in summer showdown
earnest leaf
yea the random hero pool game
hot onyx
The off meta choice for Shock could’ve only gotten them so far
earnest leaf
and philly fans thought it meant philly was the better team all of a sudden
vagrant cargo
they literally lost by one fight
to the best team in that meta
that wasnt exhausted
earnest leaf
^
willow tartan
philly had a higher regular season record than shock
hot onyx
So did Philly vs Paris
willow tartan
vagrant cargo
philly didnt even cap the second point
vs paris
and paris were exhausted and played significaly worse
hot onyx
Ok 2 fights my b
willow tartan
paris summer showdown was hype as hell bro
vagrant cargo
also the playstyle matchup favored philly
willow tartan
when they beat philly and shock back to back
vagrant cargo
because they just hard focused sp9rk1e
earnest leaf
that meta was still overrated tbh
vagrant cargo
but focusing a genji is way easier than focusing prime striker on tracer
earnest leaf
double shield with genji thrown in for combos
willow tartan
houston finals
forest raven
nero's time to shine
willow tartan
profit legs
forest raven
Honest overwatch
earnest leaf
soldier dishonest
willow tartan
if there is another stupid playoffs patch ill quit overwatch
earnest leaf
rat that just runs around all day long
earnest leaf
nah winston is
forest raven
You might be right on that
willow tartan
orisa
hot onyx
The past 2 grand finals metas were the most unfun metas in the game change my mind
willow tartan
the past 2 grand finals were shit
forest raven
Season 1 was orisa double sniper, season 2 was fucking reaper and bastion trash, season 3 was main tank hog
willow tartan
why does OWL hate playoffs?
hot onyx
Main tank hog + double sniper mercy
willow tartan
do they want overwatch fans to suffer?
worn falcon
yes
earnest leaf
imagine we get a sigma ball junkrat pharah zen lucio meta for playoffs
forest raven
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that'd be very poggers to watch doe
worn falcon
and ratlanta is shy to try bastion again
willow tartan
can we just get a regular dive meta for playoffs
worn falcon
:(
hot onyx
I miss 2017
forest raven
Lucio zen
willow tartan
no funky shit
forest raven
That's honest overwatch
worn falcon
No, OW 2016 meta
willow tartan
beta meta
forest raven
Quad tank
willow tartan
what comps will NA play in regular season?
worn falcon
hot onyx
Any tanks that aren’t double shield/hog
willow tartan
for countdown cup
barren quest
Probably Orisa Dva
earnest leaf
what comps will NA play in regular season?
force rein
forest raven
God the fucking kill feed
willow tartan
you think they're gonna run it back to may melee and everyone in NA just unilaterally agrees to play rush?
forest raven
Rush with no lucio
willow tartan
Probably Orisa Dva
i can see orisa comps being prevalent for some teams
forest raven
earnest leaf
Rush with no lucio
you know damn well teams are gonna try it 
willow tartan
but i feel like some teams will play the winston dive
worn falcon
rush with brig
barren quest
They'll probably run Rein Dva Torb Reaper Bap Brig
forest raven
i want the playoffs meta to be orisa dva echo ashe mercy ana
Why wouldn't you want brig in your backline
willow tartan
what if they just play the comp that shanghai was playing in the finals
vagrant cargo
Why wouldn't you want brig in your backline
because moth is the igl
forest raven
Fair
vagrant cargo
if moth is gone team is quiet so they have to field mirror
thats why playing skewed is like a double edged sword sadly
barren quest
NA refusing to play Ball
willow tartan
tell skewed to talk more
willow tartan
NA refusing to play Ball <:ZenDisappointed:585663962918551555>
i hope countdown cup will make it so NA finally learns how to play ball
earnest leaf
some teams in NA can run ball
worn falcon
Smurf learning ball
earnest leaf
they just refuse to most of the time for some reason
worn falcon
willow tartan
they just refuse to most of the time for some reason
its like them with pharah
barren quest
Won't happen when Ball exists
balmy wolf
kai 😦
willow tartan
they cant buff hitscan bc ppl in ranked mald at hitscans
when they should just run ball poke
willow tartan
isnt the goal to have a balanced game
where all playstyles are as even as possible
worn falcon
heck you, i want my flashy widow plays
willow tartan
not to just say fuck you to one random playstyle every few months
forest raven
Let projectile have its time in the sun before widow becomes the god of 5v5
worn falcon
Make tanks life hell
willow tartan
Let projectile have its time in the sun before widow becomes the god of 5v5
not with 175 hp
literally get breathed on and you die