esports-discussion

[devout path]

This meta has been very diverse wym

[tawdry hamlet]

like for flexibility sure profit is great but he has played like two heroes all season so what good is that flexibility

[barren quest]

NA has been mainly playing Sym/Mei comps

Ball Tracer Sombra for APAC

[tawdry hamlet]

I would take atlanta, philly, shock, shanghai, and spark dps lines over Seoul 💅

[devout path]

Philly has been tragic

[tawdry hamlet]

rascal and the tanks have been underperforming

if apac wasn't in a ball meta I think they would do better

maybe

[devout path]

Seoul is literally only doing good because of fits profit

[noble nexus]

Nah I think it’s the gesture hog diff

Tbh

Insane carry hero

[tawdry hamlet]

Gesture is the most overrated player in league history and I stand by that

[devout path]

Probably

Well actually

Sparkle

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean sparkle was known as a genji doom two trick all of last season so nobody really rated him high but he showed this season he can flex if he needs to hence the overrating because people didn't expect much in the first place

[devout path]

Sparkle good at doom genji tracer

Nothing else tbh

[tawdry hamlet]

Dallas has never played reaper or echo before ig

[devout path]

I hate sparkle echo

[tawdry hamlet]

why because it shouldn't work but it does?

that is how I feel about fate ball

it shouldn't work

[devout path]

I’d always rather see Doha echo

[tawdry hamlet]

but it somehow does

doha has to play da sombra or reaper

since I think he is better on those

[devout path]

Tracer echo meta is probs best for Dallas as of rn

[balmy wolf]

well dallas has been lucky in the sense in that there has been no real hard hitscan meta yet

[devout path]

Also if Dallas mirrors ball comps would we see rapel play zen

[balmy wolf]

unlike last year

the season is almost over anyone and they got pine so their fine if long range hitscan becomes meta in the post season

[devout path]

I don’t think we’ll see another hardcore hitscan meta again unless blizzard really fucks up

[balmy wolf]

we'd said that last year and they still fucked up

[devout path]

Last year they said fuck you we won’t fix any of the problems with the game

[tawdry hamlet]

Someone just said Shanghai got another coach and I haven't been on twitter is it true or nah

https://twitter.com/ShanghaiDragons/status/1415159888821489666?s=19

Shanghai Dragons (@ShanghaiDragons)

The Shanghai Dragons have qualified for the Summer Showdown after an intense five game winning streak in July. During that time, a new coach had also played an important role...

Twitter · Jul 14, 2021, 4:03 AM

applys chat fast af they told me before r/cow even announced and they announce fast as fuck lmao

[earnest leaf]

they put out a teaser tweet a bit ago so it was expected

[tawdry hamlet]

oh I didn't even realize he played for them in 2018

and he was gz coach before they dumped their staff

[balmy wolf]

assistant coach iirc

[tawdry hamlet]

yeah it was him and mentalist right?

[balmy wolf]

think so

[tawdry hamlet]

no no it was arachne? I think shit

mentalist was hz

lmao

I can't keep up with apac coaching changes

[balmy wolf]

pajon was hz head coach

but he got sacked

[tawdry hamlet]

was gz

[balmy wolf]

hz played their cards right lmao

still sucks they dont play coldest tho or mika

[tawdry hamlet]

hz literally has pieces to be a top 3 apac team ez

but they just don't perform

they put so much money into this season too

they built a whole ass new team house, and acquired like a 12 man roster

just to flounder at mid apac

:(((

[balmy wolf]

Once u join a team after that u get paid it doesn't matter u play or not?

[tawdry hamlet]

yes

salary

[balmy wolf]

Monthly pay?

[tawdry hamlet]

I don't know, I just know minimum yearly salaries are 50k or something like that

[balmy wolf]

^

Ic

[tawdry hamlet]

takoyaki was their ball player right? so what if they got 800

too bad season is only like 4 games left so any pickup would be dumb

sad short season

[balmy wolf]

wasnt he spark kr MT player? but like he was ok

[tawdry hamlet]

So are mcd and idk worse than Mika and coldest because everyone says they wish they'd play those two

An 800 lige tank duo would be built different. I want 800 picked up so bad tbh

[next mesa]

Best Chinese MT

[tawdry hamlet]

Trying to create a benched players team to see how it'd stand up to the lower teams to prove a point that the lower teams ass

[forest raven]

Daemin back in the league

[tawdry hamlet]

[next mesa]

Who

Ohh coach

[tawdry hamlet]

Jihun, gbs, Taiyo, Whoru, aztac, Nisha lmao even if you don't use the best benched players the teams you can put together would probably be top 6 in the league lmao

Like you could do lige or ivy or shockwave or anything like that

Benches be mad stacked this year tbh

[sullen berry]

Had to speedrun before you know who wedges his announcement dong in there first

[tawdry hamlet]

Empathy is rude he always beats me lmao

[supple prism]

oh man, im at 92 points going into the tournament

[willow tartan]

apac coaching staff keeps changing lets go

[tawdry hamlet]

Spark or charge could use 800 so much someone pls

[hot onyx]

Michael is slowly developing the same emotions for 800 as Levy has for Diya

Anyway now that that’s out of the way

MN3 2022 amirite guys?

[devout path]

Shut up

[noble nexus]

shut up

[civic bolt]

no

[outer fjord]

u speak spanish here also

[civic bolt]

but take the translator

aim chili

[sullen berry]

aim chili

[willow tartan]

tfw in the next few years all your favorite players will retire

[sullen berry]

in the next few years I might have a solid collection of OWL music I can recommend people

soundtrack has been a banger, but some just really hit different

Others I'm not so interested in

[willow tartan]

whats that music that plays whenever someone wins

i want a full track of that

[sullen berry]

only listen to EDM once in a while

you got it

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLYexv1BYLCoOaM4MEJy32bIB13rWUrDGV

it's one of these

it says "Victory Theme" so you can probably figure it out

listening to each song in the playlist

first track is the one during the pachimari flash ops tournament

[willow tartan]

can i somehow replace this song to play at the end screen for OW matches

blizzard pls add

[sullen berry]

nah, you should get a win streak long enough to deserve that

[willow tartan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KXCB0pB29lQ&list=PLYexv1BYLCoOaM4MEJy32bIB13rWUrDGV&index=23

[sullen berry]

this all just feel like a whole bunch of OW2 soundtrack playtesting

they're trying to figure out what to kind of sonic vibe to inject lucio with

[willow tartan]

thats the longer one apparently (of the victory theme)

[sullen berry]

wasn't there two songs with lyrics

there the rap one

[willow tartan]

?

theres no rap in owl streams bro

[sullen berry]

you hear it at the beginning of every live stream, lol

[willow tartan]

wtf u on

you mean the intro?

[sullen berry]

it's still a rap, though if you listen to it you can probably assume why they only cut it at the same point most anime OP edits are done

[willow tartan]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRLiCvJVPks

[sullen berry]

Bloody hands and my eyes wide

I got once chance (uh)

Fight hard and keep my stance

Knuckle up time to buckle up

I got one shot and I won't stop

One goal for the joy ride

I'm a champion, move aside
Yeah
Let's go [dude]

[willow tartan]

are these on spotify

[sullen berry]

why do you think I gave you the YT link

[willow tartan]

idk the last ow soundtrack was on spotify

[sullen berry]

they haven't taken down the previous years soundtracks

[willow tartan]

why would they take it down
???

its music

ppl wanna listen to that shit man

[sullen berry]

🙄

[willow tartan]

so what is the other song with vocals

[sullen berry]

that I'm trying to find it unless there's only one

something with actual lyrics, not this mumble rap backing track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIwAQZqe42c

also in listening to some of the other tracks

there are variations of the same exact tune, see #77 and #39

[willow tartan]

do they play them all in each stream

i swear i hear all of them every stream

[sullen berry]

#59 for upbeat Hawaiian Jazz theme

#58 for the laidback hula variation - I love this overdrive electric sound
but you've not heard the hawaiian stream every single time

[willow tartan]

we're about to :)

[sullen berry]

thats the beauty of having a technical soundtrack

I literally can't wait for Summer showdown to hear that music again

[willow tartan]

i feel like listening to it now is cheating

[sullen berry]

so this more satisfying to drown own some irl pubstompers out on a wednesday night

#33 seems like knockoff jason derulo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9gXP8wcICqQ
you can literally tempo match and line it up perfectly

[willow tartan]

this is a song with the other vocals btw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FxWUhBB2nLY&list=PLYexv1BYLCoOaM4MEJy32bIB13rWUrDGV&index=66

[sullen berry]

oh okay

there are a lot more then

[willow tartan]

gonna listen to these in dps queue

[sullen berry]

thanks for joining me for this segment of Obi's Musical CRUNCH TIME with sounds from the Overwatch League

[willow tartan]

does OWL have a website where i can download all their soundtracks?

[silver cradle]

I can't seem to get the Contenders player to work on the official website? Edit: From what I understand I have to watch it from the website to be able to earn the skins. I generally watch it from YouTube on the phone but figured I'd get some skins.

[willow tartan]

gonna make giga playlist for OW gaming

[north relic]

Can’t you just make a yt one

[willow tartan]

what if the internet goes down

??

[north relic]

You can’t play ow then?

[sullen berry]

fun fact you can download Youtube videos

[willow tartan]

no

i mean

[north relic]

You just said it’s for ow gaming

[willow tartan]

the INTERNET

[sullen berry]

you can Red it

[willow tartan]

what if youtube goes down

[sullen berry]

hello did you hear me

[willow tartan]

what is red it?

[sullen berry]

download a youtube playlist to play offline

[sullen berry]

oh right it's called Premium now

[willow tartan]

but youtube compresses the audio

[sullen berry]

its was compressed before you even listened to it

[north relic]

How would you like to try YouTube premium

[willow tartan]

that is true

but i want the highest sound quality possible

[sullen berry]

yeah that's not going to happen

these rips are just fine

like you , I cared about audio bitrate for a time

[north relic]

You really are worrying if YouTube just gets deleted

[willow tartan]

yeah

what if nuclear war starts and im bored

[sullen berry]

even listening to serious FLAC 192kbps kinda shit

[willow tartan]

what will i listen to

[sullen berry]

the screams and tears of everyone saying it's the end of the world

[willow tartan]

the music is to drown that out sir

[sullen berry]

luckily, IT taught me skills that don't require a computer to be useful

[north relic]

Twitch streamers

[sullen berry]

but irl

[willow tartan]

tbh

i could see the end of the world happening and xqc still streaming

[sullen berry]

panicking they can't see their sub count

[north relic]

END OF THE WORLD LIVE

[sullen berry]

xqc had that end of the world moment this year

[willow tartan]

loll

[sullen berry]

with the power going out where he lived for what felt like 2 months

that's longer than his ban during season 1

[willow tartan]

now where is the overwatch open division soundtrack

[sullen berry]

I got one even better

the Korean Contenders Soundtrack in 2020

those felt like some killer intermissions along with the classic APEX ones

[willow tartan]

yes

must collect them all

[north relic]

Average dragons fan has gotten bored of winning and now looking for music

[sullen berry]

DavG25 has a website you can request the timestamp where the audio from an OWL stream should be ripped and he'll get back to you when it's ready

[willow tartan]

time to watch all OW pro gameplay

[sullen berry]

naturally he's busy doing other projects aside from contenders and OWL, plus there is some actual copyright unsafe music that will not be done

[willow tartan]

once i am done im gonna be an expert on shit takes

[devout path]

Farway1988

[willow tartan]

87

wai was it 88

[north relic]

87

[devout path]

No

Farway1988

Viol3t

Im38

[willow tartan]

im37 will change his name to im38 next year

every season

[sullen berry]

this is triggering

6arkl3

[north relic]

Im37s name is based on crees age

[willow tartan]

cree will get older when ow2 drops

[sullen berry]

no he'll play the ash ketchum card

forever 10 years old

[north relic]

Marve2

[sullen berry]

soldier will grow out his hair and the timecard will say it's 2-5 years after the disbandment of Overwatch

[devout path]

S10arkl4

[sullen berry]

still becomes 76 yo

[gusty rampart]

Viol3t

[sullen berry]

ga10a

[willow tartan]

sp0rkle

[sullen berry]

oh my god

[north relic]

I think you go from 9 to 0

[sullen berry]

is that the Viol3t

[gusty rampart]

Correct

[sullen berry]

[gusty rampart]

[sullen berry]

Bigg11se

[north relic]

Doesn’t smurfs name end with 5

[gusty rampart]

On twitch

In OWL no

[sullen berry]

||CoolMatt70||

[gusty rampart]

And then there's contenders where numbers are abundant

[sullen berry]

Track #79 AKA the reinforce micro-podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA23SGCZLP8

[willow tartan]

which owl player has the most syllables in their name

[north relic]

Yxl

[devout path]

Farway1987

[north relic]

Probably faraway

[sullen berry]

without numbers though

probably SMS

[north relic]

Yxl is three as well

[sullen berry]

shortest syllables longest to spell uhhh

GB

[willow tartan]

yeah bro why wont the casters say the numbers maaan

[devout path]

Or

Farway1988 for the cool kids

[sullen berry]

I hear 1988 can play a mean LUC10

[north relic]

Are there any four syllable names in the league

[sullen berry]

shouldn't stop a flex support from playing his main Z3ny4tt4

[willow tartan]

gwangboong

[sullen berry]

yeah

gb for short

[willow tartan]

checkmate is longer

[devout path]

No say the entire thing or else

[sullen berry]

10 characters ain't long

[willow tartan]

longer than 9

[sullen berry]

when yangxiaolong couldn't fit on a jersey

[sullen berry]

I've reduced him down to G

[willow tartan]

so what did they put on his jersey

[devout path]

Cr1ng

[sullen berry]

that's Cr0nge

[devout path]

Cr0ng = cr1ng(e)

[sullen berry]

when overwatch is dead I will also be dead, play this at my reception
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXKRtTrzL6M

[willow tartan]

waiting for an owl player to make their username just their full name

[sullen berry]

JakeLyon

[north relic]

So sad I’m on mobile and can’t listen to these rn

[willow tartan]

actually im smart

isnt there one korean player that has that

[sullen berry]

did you want me to send you the Playlist link?

[north relic]

I saved it

[sullen berry]

Je-hong Ryu
gang nam-jin
choi se hwan
CHB SMS LJG ASJ

there was actually a bunch of misnomers too, but we all know that GaeBullssi's real name is
https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/players/14471

[willow tartan]

why do you have an emote thats the OWL logo but pink and blue

[sullen berry]

community diff

!jumbo

[sullen berry]

!jumbo

[sullen berry]

people just do this for our servers

[willow tartan]

where is the shanghai one bro

smh

[sullen berry]

[willow tartan]

now if only western players had their full names as usernames too

i want to root for John McBobson Smith JR on my favorite owl team

[sullen berry]

casters will try not to make any fun with the puns

"And now JAKELYON is quite literally, LYON ON THE GOUND!"

Josue Corona about to attack like the PLAGUE with this nanoblade into profit

[gusty rampart]

Can't wait for MatthewDelisi

[sullen berry]

never heard

you must mean CashewDelisi

I finally found the one I was thinking of @willow tartan
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dnv-i6klgQI

[willow tartan]

swear ive heard that outisde of owl

[sullen berry]

team preview

[hot onyx]

Felt like treating myself to a new knife holder

Oop wrong server

[sullen berry]

great for luigi to poke his little eyes out

[sullen berry]

you have posted in the wrong discord so take this with you @hot onyx
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7L5RjOcxjWQ

Vikkikitty without internet stutter pog

[devout path]

Trans owl trans owl

[willow tartan]

thats hangzhou spark

so its actually

anime owl

[devout path]

Trans owl >:(

[willow tartan]

hangzhou spark is the only OWL roster to have an anime girl

permabenched tho

[devout path]

Trans owl team

[north relic]

? Who

[willow tartan]

from liquipedia:

[north relic]

Have you watched it

[willow tartan]

no im not a weeb

[north relic]

But you watch owl

And owl is an anime

[willow tartan]

???

owl is not made in japan

so its not an anime

[plush grail]

Weebs

[hot onyx]

Nah dude, each knife represents a win the Charge get this season

[sullen berry]

You wish

[willow tartan]

void cree > viol2t cree

[worn falcon]

https://twitter.com/tf2pine/status/1415311938368638978?s=19

Pine (@tf2pine)

Still watitng for visa 🤨

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Twitter · Jul 14, 2021, 2:07 PM

He never gonna play at this rate

[willow tartan]

lol

he is never gonna play

[little tusk]

lmao

he never is

[next mesa]

Envy replied

Prob will end of season

[devout path]

I don’t need to I have spark

[sullen berry]

End of season all stars

Just for you

On another note, trans homestand after Summer Showdown ends

I’m leapfrogging since I’ve been spending the past 5 hours on Discord O clock trawling through OWL stuff before the July Joust

[balmy wolf]

man i just looked at the standings this season and florida is doing really bad and somehow the fuel and houston are two of the best teams in the west

[raw ermine]

a far cry from last season

[balmy wolf]

i guess it helps they are wild west cowboys

[forest raven]

Fuel signed Element Mystic and Fielder

Houston signed a top tier tank duo from Korean Contenders, yoinked Happy from Charge, and got Junkbuck from the Shock

[balmy wolf]

man mayhem needs some roster changes

[raw ermine]

they have Oge

which dragged down the team

and forced them to run a DPS on main tank

they started out really well

being a top 3 team in may melee

[forest raven]

It's like

Florida has a great roster outside of main tank

Gargoyle, Bqb and Yaki, GNJ and Slime

Those are all good players

They should win against teams like Defiant

[balmy wolf]

last season they were relatively good but now they are like the 14th place

[forest raven]

Florida boutta be 4-12

[raw ermine]

if they still had fate they'd be nuts

[balmy wolf]

yeah i looked at a game against fuel and when i saw fuel one i was shocked so i looked at the standings and then i realised

fate was a healer right?

[raw ermine]

I have kuki highly rated, but man, maybe he's letting out the rage moon injected him with on LAV

main tank

[balmy wolf]

before the color change

[raw ermine]

fate was MT

[balmy wolf]

oh

i remember him

he was cracked from what i remember

[raw ermine]

he was a solid rock of a MT

consitent, reliable, enabled others

currently he does just that on shanghai

[forest raven]

Also his ball

Fucking fantastic

[hot onyx]

Hot take

Silver3 > some random plat mt on ladder

[noble nexus]

Flaming hot take

[abstract nova]

But he's silver

how

[next mesa]

idk

i think im considerably better than silver3

[thin relic]

nah

His ball mechanics are kinda nutty and he’s won contenders, he deserves a little respect.

[hazy spoke]

is Snow the only black player to play in OWL?

[mortal abyss]

?

I haven’t heard that name before

But

Kodak played for ATL

In s2 iirc

[hazy spoke]

Snow played for Boston

He started like 1 game in S1

Ethiopian and American player

[raw ermine]

oh yeah kodak

[hazy spoke]

And yea, i was snooping about and forgot about Kodak

[hot onyx]

Idk, Fire might count

[raw ermine]

fire's who I thought of

[feral zodiac]

Does beast count

[tawdry hamlet]

Hee-su "Heesu" Jehong

[feral zodiac]

Or did beast ever actually play

[tawdry hamlet]

Fire

ah no it is just Kodak an article from June of Last year said Kodak was the only black player

[feral zodiac]

Is beast mixed race or am I dumb

[tawdry hamlet]

https://www.ginx.tv/en/overwatch/kodak-the-only-black-player-in-overwatch-league-calls-out-the-lack-of-support-from-pro-players

[next mesa]

Do we really trust Ginx.tv

[tawdry hamlet]

not really but it is the only thing that comes up as far as black owl players goes

[raw ermine]

OWO

[hazy spoke]

Heesu is my favourite player thats not on Dallas. Im fortunate dallas are actually good nowadays

Tell 2018 me Dallas would be good i’d have laughed, then probably cried

[willow tartan]

minefielder

[willow tartan]

was he a benchwarmer? im dont remember his name

[tawdry hamlet]

well remember how atlanta had a backup squad of like frd, pokpo, fire, saucy, and Kodak? Well Kodak was on the team in a backup main support role and then eventually transitioned to coach mid last season and then ultimately was let go iirc

[willow tartan]

oo

[tawdry hamlet]

yeah he left active roster last July and was a coach until october when Atlanta dumped everyone

what is more shocking to me is pokpo not getting picked up by contenders or another owl team considering he literally was the same tier as dreamer he just had to be benched for gator, they kept around for monkey but atlanta never really played monkey

shit Vancouver could really use him nowadays

and considering Vancouver got fire and frd from Atlanta you would think they would also grab pokpo since shredlock sucked but I guess they wanted to stay committed for some reason

[mortal abyss]

Wasn’t kodak a flex support

[tawdry hamlet]

might have been idk

tbh

ah yes he was but I got confusion because of this lmao

but his page says flex support

[digital cloud]

isn't space black?

or like, mixed?

[gusty rampart]

I voted Valiant, Charge, Spitfire, and Titans

[raw ermine]

close

[gusty rampart]

So close

[hot onyx]

https://twitter.com/sirgibson_ow/status/1415030834642526208?s=21

Gibby (@SirGibson_ow)

Ended the contenders run with a 1-3 loss against SC.
Thus im retiring from p2p and overwatch in general since I lost my passion to grind. Thanks to for the memories and good times, was fun
Gl to everyone else still grinding
Might stream more once I finally fixed my pc

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Twitter · Jul 13, 2021, 7:30 PM

[next mesa]

everyone is leaving

:/

[tawdry hamlet]

SirGibson noooo

Although old and bored has historically like been kind of ass

Still sucks though

[next mesa]

a caster called them out for being "not competitive" and like the coach or something flamed him so hard

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean they really aren't competitive though tbf, their all old and washed or just old hence the name. Like Kafee has been around forever but he's Perma stuck in bottom of contenders. He's literally been 4900 Sr but it's bottom t2 and sometimes doesn't even get out of open division

I like the players obviously, depending on how toxic Kafee is on twitter lmao since he is known for that but as a team their bottom every single month

[feral zodiac]

Does t2 have relegation then?

[tropic herald]

yes

[next mesa]

relegation?

what that (im first grade english)

[willow tartan]

relegation is the act of relegating

[remote siren]

relegation

is when a team is so bad

they get dropped like a sack of potatoes from the league

like in soccer

[noble nexus]

yeah they get kicked out of the league and go into the lower league to play there

[remote siren]

Usually there are tiers

[willow tartan]

contenders trials

you go up or u go down

[remote siren]

like tier one is the main league

the professional scene

tier two is pretty much the feeder league to tier 1

tier 3 is like u21

[next mesa]

there is relegation

[remote siren]

tier 4 is like u18

[next mesa]

there should be relegation to owl

btw

100%

[remote siren]

Yes

[willow tartan]

how would that even work lol

[remote siren]

Franchising

is bad

[next mesa]

this sum bullshit

yes

franchising prevents that

So as a result

we dont always get the highest level of play

its actually so fucking tragic

[willow tartan]

or or

what if

OW just makes all the big esports orgs

have franchises

4head

[remote siren]

The reason that relegation doesnt exist in most professional scene in NA

because college

[noble nexus]

they just hold every big org at gunpoint and make them get into overwatch

[willow tartan]

yeah fuck college

[remote siren]

and they have a draft

So there is usually a feeder league like g league and a ncaa league

[willow tartan]

australian contenders

[next mesa]

lmao draft

[remote siren]

Every major franchised esports league sucks

[next mesa]

honestly i was toying the idea of drafting in owl

[remote siren]

Like NA

became a meme region

in lol

[next mesa]

like you have the right to sign best available talent

[willow tartan]

you say every major franchised esports league as if there is more than OWL and CDL

[next mesa]

for example ud be like

id trade u void for piggy and 3 first round picks or some shit lmaoooooo

[remote siren]

There's ton of them man

[willow tartan]

what

[remote siren]

Na lcs

Kr lcs

Eu lcs

[willow tartan]

league is franchised?

[remote siren]

Yeah

you dont know?

[willow tartan]

bro idk im not a moba coomer

[remote siren]

Well NA is

Korea is like semi franchised

Oh wait no

it's an 8 team league now, it's franchised

@willow tartan Do you watch csgo?

[willow tartan]

ye

wyb

[remote siren]

You know the esl has a relegation matches right?

[willow tartan]

mhm

think all the premier level TOs have that

[remote siren]

And see how amazing csgo's esports is right

[willow tartan]

second biggest in the world

[next mesa]

Valorant is doing esports right imo

[remote siren]

very competitive league yeah

[next mesa]

idk like small orgs have the possibility to succeed

all qualifiers

upsets are good

[remote siren]

Valorant is a new game

[next mesa]

like if it was a franchised league

TSM would be in t1 league

however its not

so their bum asses cant pass qualifiers

therefore ensuring higher quality of play

idk

[remote siren]

Exactly

bums like titans

dont make it past trials

Soccer has the best structure of them all

European and asian leagues, fuck mls

They have u21 leagues

[next mesa]

NBA is kind of flawed in that scouting is really all you get for talent

[remote siren]

u 18 leagues

NBA has no good feeder leagues beside from D1

[next mesa]

NBA has good

the special thing about NBA is that

it can come from college mostly

it can be gleague

[remote siren]

D1

is college

[next mesa]

or overseas

gleague is not D1 though and also

for example the europe league

is better than college

[remote siren]

I guess euro league counts

but dude

Euroleague is the tier one league in europe

NBA is just so much better than every other basketball league

[next mesa]

if euroleague was in america

it would be d1

and college ball would be d2

just saying

but yes NBA is better because

all the talent goes there

lol

like Doncic

[willow tartan]

fuck franchised leagues i want a dummy rich trillionaire to field the best and second best rosters possible in OWL for their 12 spots

[remote siren]

You do realize

that in the nba

and in most sports league

there is a salary cap

to stop that from happening

[sick locust]

any duo combo's for me and my friend or any heroe for me alone ?

[remote siren]

@sick locust #overwatch

[sick locust]

sorry

[remote siren]

Hold on

what roles do u play?

[sick locust]

it doesnt matter which one

[remote siren]

Then I guess

[tawdry hamlet]

salary caps exist so that the richer owners can't buy the better talent yeah

although higher market teams can have advantages as they are more attractive to prospects

[remote siren]

76

is a great champion

[sick locust]

thx man

[remote siren]

76 and Zarya

[sick locust]

i used it alot back in the days

[remote siren]

work very well together

76 and hanzo

76 and lucio

76 and moira

Like 76 hanzo rein zarya lucio moria was an og comp that is still very strong

[next mesa]

wait does owl have salary cap I forgot

or theyre like introducing it

[hollow bough]

Yes

OWL has salary caps

[next mesa]

that's good

i dont see why thats not good

[hollow bough]

Soft salary cap in overwatch league means any team that makes 1.6 million or above gets their winnings equally distributed to the rest of the teams. The players aren't unionized, so it may violate an antitrust act.
People in support of a soft salary cap argue that sports team owners dont pay players out of their own bank accounts, and that the income brought in is distributed to players. They believe salary caps make sure the sport can't be dominated by a small number of teams that have nationwide fanbases and lots of star players. Without the cap, it allows a small number of teams to monopolize the sport.
People against a soft salary cap argue that they are never about equity, and it's a lie by owners to trick fans to pocket more money and control the amount they pay players. They believe salary caps are always a way to keep salaries low and enforce a check on owner spending in order for owners to maximize profits for themselves. Without a salary cap, players will be traded at fair market value, and a team wouldnt actually be able to sign top talent because too many top players would eat into profits. Due to contracts and revenue sharing, which is independent of salary caps, there would be more money to go around

copy and paste of what i said earlier a few weeks ago

1.6m is the salary cap btw

and for context OWL is getting investigated for breaking antitrust for having a salary cap while their players are not unionized

[supple prism]

which is weird because from what I hear its that the majority of the players, mostly the younger ones, just dont care to unionize.

[shell wedge]

Esports lol

[hollow bough]

A lot of players have lawyers as well so they can negotiate contracts fairly, therefore there is very little need to unionize for owl players

At one point, half of the members of the OWL were represented by a talent agency

https://evolvedtalent.com/

this one specifically. You can see moth being one of the people this agency represents

Same with Super

Individual representation might just be a better way to go about business when it comes to having 20 different organizations with their own pricing rules rather than having a union

unless you want 20 unions ig lol

[earnest leaf]

Players are never going to form a union

[hollow bough]

I don't think it really makes sense to

I think the U.S. dept of justice saw that there wasn't a union and just launched an investigation to find out why there wasn't one

[earnest leaf]

It's non-criminal so my guess is they just have the league remove the salary cap or something

[hollow bough]

because of course having private individual representation is just a better method when it comes to owl shrug

Not necessarily, I don't think there's a need to remove the salary cap when there's really nothing wrong going on

a union is made to represent players, and since most players already have representation through talent organizations, there's no real need to unionize because each contract with each player is determined individually

[raw ermine]

It's also made in order to have negotiating power, no? if one play is treated unfairly, then a union goes on strike/ the league shuts down. having them be isolated doesn't give that power

[hollow bough]

I don't think the org so far is dirty enough to force players to make a union

So far, the only things that really happened were those fines that Taimou and Profit had to pay a few years back

And the boycott with SBB with the 4 chinese teams, but even that was solved

[tawdry hamlet]

Seeker lagged out

And pause time ran out

So they're just playing 5v6

https://overwatchleague.com/en-us/contenders

[stuck radish]

whats the skins for this month

for contenders

[tawdry hamlet]

widow hog iirc

ooof rough losing a map 5 with a disconnect for half the game

so so sad Noble

[willow tartan]

imagine not pausing the game during technical difficulties

[tawdry hamlet]

they did for like 10 minutes but the time ran out and I doubt they want to delay further

[worthy tinsel]

sad sad day

[willow tartan]

o

I didn't realize there was a time limit

don't think that's ever happened in owl

[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/seeker_ow/status/1415476439994961927?s=21

seeker (@seeker_ow)

I truly gave it my all to win as soon as I came back, cant believe I'm actually crying over this shit. Since we are done for this month I am planning on taking a break with this game competitively and seeing where other things will take me. Thank you all for the kind words

Twitter · Jul 15, 2021, 1:00 AM

[rare magnet]

fuck is a smm

[raw ermine]

social media manager

[rare magnet]

oh

[raw ermine]

poor kid, he's only 16, had to go through all that

fcking admins

https://twitter.com/AkashGGS/status/1415132863100596240

akash (@AkashGGS)

Got 8th place contenders and my grandpa died today. Excellent evening. Ggs @UprisingAcad we lose 0-3

Likes

332

Twitter · Jul 14, 2021, 2:15 AM

[tawdry hamlet]

Holy shit things suck down there

In contenders

[noble nexus]

That’s so fucked up holy shit

Contendies admin just had their villain arc

[tawdry hamlet]

So admin denies a pause that both teams agreed to, thus causing said player to take a break from the whole game

[novel owl]

thats just sad

[tropic herald]

havent watched much of this week

who was favored in this

ua or ody

bc ua look competent

[tawdry hamlet]

Odyssey was 2nd place last month and ua just lost last game so people expected odyssey but losing iced kind of hurts them, lukemino replacement is cracked tho

[willow tartan]

how do you lose to boston wtf

[tawdry hamlet]

they have a funny tankline

they have main tank that was the only australian in chinese contenders on a chinese team

then adam who was on valiant for a month

Dank and Adam goated tank line lmao

although idk how odyssey are so bad now because a similar ua roster last month was like 7th place na

it would be so cool to watch adam win contenders but I know it won't happen darkmode and at are way too stacked

also odyssey without lukemino iced has them about to be 6-3 on kings row

lmaoo

[balmy wolf]

shit man adam, i was excited to see him play in owl

fucking valiant org ruining everything as always

[tropic herald]

didnt even realize but ua is coached by arachne

[next mesa]

I honestly didnt think that there was a time limit

[tawdry hamlet]

There was still a 10 minute pause available for ardour and they literally said they would use their pause time for noble so they could get him back in the game and admin still said no from my understanding

Since the 10 minute that each team gets was used up for noble

[willow tartan]

dude imagine being a professional OW player and then in a key match you have a leaver on your team

cannot escape the inevitable

[trail perch]

thats why they good now or smth

[quaint aurora]

How do you get contenders skins?

[tawdry hamlet]

They're also good because they upgraded a little

[willow tartan]

watgch thes te rams

It has to be on the owl website

Make sure ur acc is linked

[dark hedge]

has philly made it into a tournament yet

or like ever

[next mesa]

https://twitter.com/seeker_ow/status/1415480497426223109?s=21

seeker (@seeker_ow)

@GiG_OW XDDDDDDDDDDD

Likes

395

Twitter · Jul 15, 2021, 1:17 AM

what a fucking joke

and people wonder why

t2 is a fucking joke

[tawdry hamlet]

[sullen berry]

Just a handful, not the majority screw over the spectator/referee role in T2

[nocturne yacht]

https://twitter.com/fs4sniperr/status/1415391406726787079?s=21

fs4snipperrr (@fs4sniperr)

@TorontoDefiant how many RTs to get a defiant jersey🤔

Twitter · Jul 14, 2021, 7:23 PM

It would mean the world if you guys could RT this

They said 416 and I’m at 50 I think I can do it💯

[tawdry hamlet]

:OmegaLUL:

[trail perch]

thoughts on this

In the offseason XZI comes back

Dallas drops rapel

and makes a trade for MCD cause Hangzhou wants to go more on chinese talant

thats basically it

oh yeah pine prob retires again

[next mesa]

Rapel is Chinese?

Nah

I honestly think pine full time

[worldly flax]

SZNS trying to give their time fucking wholesome

[sullen berry]

Like for a sub on yt

[cursive plover]

honestly when xzi comes back pine is probably going to play a similar role as he did on nyxl

absolutely stomping people but not being the starting player

also since sparkle and doha are so strong they'll only run hitscan when necessary imo

although pine being on the starting lineup for every game sounds very interesting and fun

[earnest leaf]

Fuel unironically are super lucky with how the meta has gone this year

Hitscan at no point has actually been needed or hard meta

But it's good sparkle is a nut on tracer

But imagine if we got a finals type meta where someone like widow is hard meta

[feral zodiac]

Would be interesting to see what teams become really good in a hitscan meta

[forest raven]

Shock

[lofty shale]

https://www.youtube.com/c/ONIGOD/videos

is this the real onigod?

honestly can't tell and don't feel like going out of my way to figure it out

nvm im pretty sure it is, has the same profile pic as his twitter

so it probably is

[plush grail]

yes it is

probably

[tawdry hamlet]

https://twitter.com/Yuxuuuu/status/1415501427082924032?s=19

Yuxu (@Yuxuuuu)

rt to scare a contenders admin

Likes

200

Twitter · Jul 15, 2021, 2:40 AM

[fallen turret]

Did Hangzhou seriously just fire their coaching staff again?

https://twitter.com/hangzhou_spark/status/1415627452336852992?s=21

Hangzhou Spark (@Hangzhou_Spark)

Today we are bidding farewell to our Assistant Coach @Mentalist_OW , thank you for everything you contributed to improving the Spark.

Thank you Mentalist,
Best of luck in your future!

Twitter · Jul 15, 2021, 11:01 AM

https://twitter.com/hangzhou_spark/status/1415627208291409922?s=21

Hangzhou Spark (@Hangzhou_Spark)

Today we say thank you to Interim Head Coach @Andante_OW for your hard work and great leadership.

Goodbye and thank you Andante,
Best of luck in your future!

Twitter · Jul 15, 2021, 11:00 AM

[upper niche]

Man I hate the way teams just rotate mid-season.

Lock the goddamn roster at Week 1.

[ivory mason]

Aren't spark doing well

Why would they get rid of the coaches now

[north relic]

They are doing well but inconsistent

How much are coaches paid

[little tusk]

why do owl players not play phamercy on illios?

like well for example

[plush grail]

Polo had lost it

[little tusk]

poko is a hotty

[devout path]

Because it doesn’t work

[plush grail]

insane man

menace to sciety

[next mesa]

Feel like fits should've played sombra

Sigh

[little tusk]

what outline do most players in owl use?

[next mesa]

outline?

[silver cradle]

What do you mean by outline?

[little tusk]

like the character outlines

default being red for enemy blue for team

[willow tartan]

do we have any colorblind ppl in owl?

[little tusk]

idk reason i'm asking is because I've been using the yellow outline

and I think it's better

sometimes in dark areas with a lot of muzzle flash I can just not see the enemy

with yellow I dont have it as bad

[earnest leaf]

I know ta1yo on his streams has different team colors

Not sure of any others

[willow tartan]

i think he meant like on the official owl client

do they use colorblind colors

in matches n sheet

[frank granite]

If they use it in ranked they’d probably use it in matches too

I know Jake uses different settings as well from his stream

[noble nexus]

yeah I mean people use different team colours but aren't actually colourblind

[willow tartan]

well idk it could be prohibited for all i know

[timber whale]

if you watch old owl videos do you still get leuge tokens?

[raw ermine]

only live OWL or encore's give you tokens

[timber whale]

oh well that sucks

[worthy tinsel]

am i the only one that feels like this seasons felt like

short

[plush grail]

it is way shorter

[little tusk]

iirc last owl lasted till like

mid september

I remember finishing owl like a week before uni began

[nocturne yacht]

https://twitter.com/fs4sniperr/status/1415391406726787079?s=21

fs4snipperrr (@fs4sniperr)

@TorontoDefiant how many RTs to get a defiant jersey🤔

Twitter · Jul 14, 2021, 7:23 PM

I got 63 so far, pls go RT

[hot onyx]

Only if you request a Beast jersey

[nocturne yacht]

Done deal

Support the homie

[hot onyx]

Retweeted

[nocturne yacht]

💯

[willow tartan]

gamers are we HYPED up

lets get this BREAD

hell YEAH

[raw ermine]

beast isn't on the team, so is that allowed?

whatever

[hot onyx]

I could still buy an Elk jersey from the Overwatch League store so I assume it’s allowed

[balmy wolf]

Not bread we need 🍿

[hot onyx]

Here’s to hoping my nan has a happy outcome to staying awake at 2 am

[willow tartan]

of dallas losing to chengdu?

that would be funny

[balmy wolf]

Yea but that shouldnt happen

[worn falcon]

ratlanta beating shd

[hot onyx]

I don’t see Hunters making it past 4th

East is the much weaker region

Unless someone like Spark Fusion or NYXL managed to beat Dragons and prove themselves to be high tier, Shanghai is really the only good team in Apac

[willow tartan]

inconsistent as fuck bro

i swear apac teams just do a coin toss every match to decide if they wanna try to win or want to throw

[sullen berry]

ratlanta's summer showdown sponsored by COX and jetlag

hopefully they have it sorted this time

because if they didn't prepare to go to hawaii a second time

wasted slot that Gladiators should have filled - if only they didn't crumble

[willow tartan]

why would they not prepare to go to hawaii?

what happened the last time??

[sullen berry]

they just went to hawaii, having sucked all their practice time as soon as they arrive

[willow tartan]

did they go late?

[sullen berry]

whatever planning and prep they did have is one thing

[willow tartan]

cuz dont you have like

3 days

[sullen berry]

this time, no

[willow tartan]

o

wait

they went late last time?

or did they just extend the time this time

[sullen berry]

visa delays has nothing to do with being late

[willow tartan]

but hawaii is a national flight

[sullen berry]

they were held back beyond their control as of a post yesterday cancelling custom games event

if one or more than one player isn't native to the US

it's probably a little more legwork than just buying a ticket to fly them over

[willow tartan]

so even if they are living in the US

a national flight that doesnt go to any other foreign country

you need a visa?

[worn falcon]

the duality of man https://twitter.com/Thee_Hawk/status/1415381072284733444?s=20

Hawk (@Thee_Hawk)

S Tier Seats

Likes

350

Twitter · Jul 14, 2021, 6:41 PM

[willow tartan]

its the argument of whether you should relax the day before the match or practice the day before

different philosophies

[next mesa]

i got a tornado warning guys if I die

its been fun

[noble nexus]

it's been fun knowing you bro

[willow tartan]

yo remember to have your PC on the summer showdown streams tho so you get owl tokens @next mesa

[next mesa]

https://tenor.com/view/wave-kid-hi-cry-gif-16899667

[noble nexus]

yeah when your pc dies and makes it into the afterlife you'll have a fuck ton of tokens

[willow tartan]

why would the hurricane kill his pc

you know tornados only kill humans right

whenever theyre on the news and the "deaths" they talk about?

all human

[noble nexus]

wait what really????

the death statistics don't include pcs????

[willow tartan]

pcs cant die

[sullen berry]

that's some great real esate they're in rn

[tacit skiff]

just had a wholesome twitter interaction with the Dallas Fuel social media guy

give this man a raise

[next mesa]

Eastern teams basically get a whole extra day and a half (at least) of scrimming

actually unfair lol

like they also have to deal with timezone

fatigue

[tropic herald]

its unfortunate but what can you really do to make it even

[willow tartan]

china builds an island in the pacific next to hawaii

they fly there

and they play LAN

[tawdry hamlet]

I'm in Danny the watchpoint translators discord and he said the Dallas fuel smm is his favorite

[sullen berry]

Chinese expansion teams

more like

Chinese expands over the sea

[tawdry hamlet]

Smh wtf can't we just get bilibili to build an island for overwatch only they can afford it smh

[sullen berry]

Yeah and not have it infested with anime beasts for once?

[tawdry hamlet]

Is it violet that plays under nolimit or ans

I don't remember

[noble nexus]

ans

iirc

[tawdry hamlet]

[noble nexus]

but most of the shock players change their names and copy each other all the time

like choi changing his name to smurf

[north relic]

Ans plays on nolimit

[sullen berry]

I'm going to be honest, there is a clause for impersonation in a games ToS that's pretty weak to allow some fun with usernames

I love getting eliminated by myself

[tawdry hamlet]

https://youtube.com/clip/Ugw9mx7wdszDbWysR9d4AaABCQ

:OmegaLUL:

Why the fuck is my omegalul emoji broken in one server tf

[sullen berry]

Thank you mister Heckman

[noble nexus]

oh yeah both ans and viol2t have done that to carwash

[tawdry hamlet]

:OmegaLUL:

[sullen berry]

[tawdry hamlet]

Carwash fucking sucks he deserves it

[noble nexus]

lmfao

[tawdry hamlet]

:OmegaLUL:

[noble nexus]

he isn't even the worst sym otp at the game

[tawdry hamlet]

Damn it I keep getting baited by my own non working emoji

[noble nexus]

he just is a weirdo

[tawdry hamlet]

Lmao

[sullen berry]

This isn't even the original

[noble nexus]

the clip of viol2t locking sym over carwash is fucking hilarious tho tbf

[sullen berry]

Only gamers who follow bap mains get this

[next mesa]

guys

IM ALIVE

WOOO

[willow tartan]

kraft can afford it

[tawdry hamlet]

Tbh most of the orgs that aren't gaming clubs like immortals could probably afford it

[mortal abyss]

comcast can afford it

[tawdry hamlet]

Like I don't see Vancouver because they own a hockey team lmao

[willow tartan]

who is the richest OW org

[tawdry hamlet]

Probably spark or Shanghai or philly

Bilibili, A giant telecom company, and Comcast

[willow tartan]

netease is the biggest corporation in china i think

nvm

its tencent

[tawdry hamlet]

I think the ones owned by sports team owners or eSports orgs aren't nearly as rich as actual corporation owned ones

[willow tartan]

the orgs themselves may not be valuable

but usually the ppl who own the teams are rich af

[tawdry hamlet]

Chengdu is owned by Huya which is worth more or similar to bilibili

So they're pretty wealthy as well

[willow tartan]

i mean all the orgs are rich if they paid 20 million for a spot on the OWL

[sullen berry]

Is that ANS about to pop another head shot onto you?

Jk I'm already dead with games starting 4 hours before I finish work, I'll only get little peeks into the scoreline

[abstract nova]

I wont be able to watch:(((

it's in the middle of the night

[ivory stag]

why watch when u know its gonna be fuel vs drags

[stuck radish]

tokens and dva skin

[tribal canopy]

Good overwatch

[lofty shale]

Do you guys think mag has been good? I think he's been great but I want other's opinions. haven't heard much talk about him

[tawdry hamlet]

He had far too high expectations coming in

[willow tartan]

3 hours till gaming

[earnest leaf]

He looked like a monkey otp all season until the last couple of games

Now he looks like a monkey otp with a serviceable rein that can pop off at times

[nocturne yacht]

https://twitter.com/fs4sniperr/status/1415391406726787079?s=21

fs4snipperrr (@fs4sniperr)

@TorontoDefiant how many RTs to get a defiant jersey🤔

Retweets

133

Twitter · Jul 14, 2021, 7:23 PM

Pls go RT

[willow tartan]

how many RTs until shanghai makes merchandise available outside of china

[abstract nova]

1billion

[willow tartan]

oh thats ez

[abstract nova]

just bring in the bots

[tawdry hamlet]

yo dogman just dropped his salary lets goo

I am curious

also holy shit you are actually almost to that jersey lmao

[raw ermine]

on twitter or YT?

ah I see

YT

[nocturne yacht]

Lmaooo fr

[willow tartan]

how much?

[tawdry hamlet]

his first season he said he made altogether without sponsors 75000

[raw ermine]

LMAO HE GOT A BOSTON CONTRACT OFFERED TO HIM

[willow tartan]

boston wanted to sign dogman this year?

bro what

[noble nexus]

bench myunbong for dogman

gigabrain

[nocturne yacht]

No way

[raw ermine]

nah this was s2

not 3

this was aimgod years

[sweet scaffold]

Between the Hunters, Fuel, Reign, and Dragons, who will win?

[raw ermine]

either fuel or dragons, prolly dragons

[sweet scaffold]

As much as I want to see the Hunters get to round two, they've been pretty inconsistent in this bracket.

I haven't paid much attention to the Reign, so I don't know how well they've fared this time.

[willow tartan]

Chengdu has the potential to beat both Dallas and Atlanta

Now I know we said Dallas has no hitscan back in may

but this time...

[raw ermine]

they might chengdo it to em

[willow tartan]

with that ball pharah comp that dismantled philly

which is unfortunately, the best rush team on paper in east

[sweet scaffold]

That's true.

And the Fuel had a major glow up this year, so I would like to see them get to the semi-finals.

[idle beacon]

when does the action start? 😄

in 3hrs?

or 27hrs?

[raw ermine]

3 don't worry lol

[idle beacon]

FUQ YES!

cant wait to see ShDragons ROLL ROLL ROLL

[raw ermine]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rFvc2wXNzcE

2 hours til live

[stuck radish]

dva skin time

[willow tartan]

2 hours til my life starts again for 3 days

[stuck radish]

2 hours until i am going to have 5 OWL dva skins

[idle beacon]

5?

[prime inlet]

Don’t you mean 10?

[balmy wolf]

U get 5 tokens if u watch for an hr

[prime inlet]

Dude, read what he said

He said he'd have 5 skins, not tokens lmao

[crisp olive]

@willow tartan Nice pfp :)

[worldly flax]

https://twitter.com/owpathtopro/status/1415789616909590528 oh shiiit

Overwatch Path to Pro (@owpathtopro)

An update on the North America Tournament

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Twitter · Jul 15, 2021, 9:45 PM

[next mesa]

its tragic i didnt have time to do my pickems

[raw ermine]

thats not exactly satisfying

[prime inlet]

I mean if they followed rules we can't complain

[next mesa]

no it just means that the rules are dogshit

[hot onyx]

Actual dogshit “acknowledgement”

[stuck radish]

one player of the same role from the other team shouldve been removed

at least

[next mesa]

https://twitter.com/swingchip930/status/1415792539270107142

swingchip (@swingchip930)

@owpathtopro isn't this what's stated in the rulebook?

i think if the statement is going to insist to the teams/fans that the rules were followed, you're gonna need to provide explanation of what clause overrode this section

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Twitter · Jul 15, 2021, 9:57 PM

lmao what rules were followed?

fucking joke of a league

not even a league

[worldly flax]

I really like the reply to that lmao

[next mesa]

bunch of pepegas

[worldly flax]

"👏 call 👏 them 👏 out" or something lol

[hot onyx]

Admin decides to go on a power trip and PTP defend it by saying “rules were followed” like where? It’s not against the rules to intentionally deny requested pause time that the players have been entitled to?

Doesn’t even fire the person responsible for the incident smh my head

Not even as much as a warning

[worldly flax]

that statement is just a pr apology lmao

cause they received a lot of backlash

[noble nexus]

it's a shit apology

they barely acknowledge why it was wrong and don't explain what actions they're taking regarding the situation

[worldly flax]

oh shit, that person who replied is florida mayhem's manager

[raw ermine]

yeah

[next mesa]

they are saying that theyre changing the rules