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pretty sure muze and space are wintrading
for the league points

because he can engage to create space
what has dpei done
dpei is the bane of my existence
NOOO
gg
so close to the reverse, gg
do they still have the shit banner in the background
Yesssss
justic are excited but they have to vs dallas π
I've never been so unhappy to get a perfect pred
that was insane
Win game, but have to now play Paris/Dallas lol
rip
Decay CARRIED
paris wow
so is glads still in
Glads in, have to play Boston -> Atlanta
yeah they were already in
wait no
welp iβm off now, was nice talking here for once.
I have to work 2pm-10pm tomorrow rip
welp
K
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glads facing boston then dallas

Bro
glads probably beat boston tbh
Glads lost
they will
But justice lost even harder
they most likely will beat boston
justice goes againist eternal and then reign
they're being coached by dpei it's not certain
justice already got rolled by reign
yeah
so glads have to beat dallas to go to hawaii
yep
glads dont run into dallas challenge (impossible)
I thought it was Boston -> Reign, and Paris -> Dallas? I swear that was what broadcast said
do i get tokens for watchpoint postshow?
yes
other way around
wait
you are correct
so glads dont have dallas
they have reign
and justice have dallas
yeah, winner of that final map has to play Paris then Dallas. Loser has Boston then Reign. It's why Sideshow was joking saying they should maybe throw the mao
sparkr is in this server I never knew that 
because his twitter is linked to his account and he has the verified role 
omg who
ah i see
tag him but fake
no they go againist reign boston
yeah
yes
florida has been knocked out for awhile
it is but i think seoul is more favored to win the match
thats not the bracket though
one is a tougher but seoul mroe likely
oops
i feel like ansoonjae shouldn't have dropped his shield idk dawg
oh for sure
time to pred 3-0 nyxl
shanghai went through the entire apac region
based
im already behind in pickems so if this somehow happens i fly
hard to think shock outlaws and mayhem didnt make it
it makes sense
mega-danny was scary
why is glads vs dallas?
pick ems why do you keep saying valiant won
lol
glads were first seed last tourney and got 4 and 5th seeds
Waiit, isnt it glads vs boston then winner vs atl?
how come its the other way around this time
they switched it around for some reason
cause last tourney 1st seed goes againist 4th and 5th
they already said they pulled it
justice go against atl
dang
The top teams never win : )
wait what does this mean?
RIP Shock
that they realized the mistake and will show a new graphic i guess
lol
thank god
my goodness
Atlanta stands no chance
against who
yeah
LOL GLADS
shanghai and seoul
yet chengdu lost to seoul multiple times
never in the playoffs
Only dallas can beat them
yeah
i am actually loving how professional the desk is when talking to others, looking towards them and not in the monitor at front
and dallas isnt looking super strong like in june
dallas are the only one to have any chance
I have Washington Atlanta nyxl Shanghai as my knockouts this month lmao gotta go bold 
That isnt possivle
nyxl is playing shanghai
Nyxl and shanghai cant both make it
Perfection
Silly goose
bruv

oop
i mean he gets a point regardless
If atlanta were as good on dive as they are on rush the league would be a top 3 instead of top 2
win - win
But they aren't
yeha
Yes
oh most defo
How is that relevant those are top 2
dallas are looking shaky so im not sure
Top 3 means that atlanta is on the same teir
Did you even read what I said
you said the leaue would be a top 3
but hopefully its another tight match
instead of a top 2
I said that if atlanta were as good on dive as they are on rush the league would be a top 3 instead of a top 2
ur implying that atlanta would become on the tier as dragons and fuel by saying tat
yes
If they could play dive as well as they play rush, yes the league would be a top 3
There is no top 3
There is a top 2
And then a bunch of evenly matched teams
If they could play dive as well as they play rush
they would be worse dallas
They would be a shittier dallas
They would be almost on par with dallas
Still not in the same tier
you cant win one map against besides from nyxl and suddenly make the leaue a top 3
What
What are you on about
what im saying
is that the gap between the god tier teams and everyone else is so massiv
that being able to play dive as well as rush would not change anything because that isnt the main issue
shanghai cant match dallas on winston or rein so they play ball and orisa
Reign can match dallas on rein
and have a better orisa comp
You see what im saying?
Not really
Let me break this down
Reign suck so much, that even if they could play dive at a similar level as their rush, that changes nothing
The only version of rush that anyone goes is sym rush
and the best sym rush team in the world?
even their double shield would not last against dallas dive
yeah
they did the same in jj as well
yeah
not many can say theyve done it twice either
yeah
You cant even beat a dallas figuring out the meta
i mean only dallas have dont hawaii twice
apac doesnt go tp hawaii
I mean like the tourney
shanghai look scary
the actual tournement
yeah the tourney wise i meant going to hawaii
when did reign push dragons to map 5 hold up
they didnt
they got 3-niled they were on a dallas warpath
@plush grail
Titans kekw
he's biding his time waiting for those breadsticks
he'll be in his 70's when they get to give them out tho
Yes this absolutely happened during stage 3 I believe, might have been a Shock upset though
wow glads actually have a easy schedule
i remember that reign but them i. losers
I can get the VODs where FRD actually looked good against top teams
That one in particular against the shock is beyond me how they did it
Gator basically made his debut here and I think this match alone is the reason why heβs still on the roster
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Architect 
Held captive before he would be back with his old X6 contenders pals on Spark
god i miss moth
Moth is still here
Nah he isnβt
Dpei decided he didnβt want to play the former best ms in the league because coaching him into improving his only bad hero was too hard
he's not on my team anymore
U donβt have a team
I'm a shock fan. Moth gone. Sadge.
Sh
ck
Boston vs glads then plays reign
Paris vs Washington then plays Dallas
I picked Shanghai seoul Boston Dallas
Trust in Boston coaching
Feels so stacked
Man, I really want Paris to go through
Washington vs Dallas gonna be so good
You just want Custa to do a hot-tub stream
I'm nervous
Punk/Colourhex carry π
I put Glads to advance
It wonβt let me pred my knockouts but let it be known I picked Shanghai Seoul and Washington Atlanta
If I wake up and Shanghai lose

Washington beat fuel??????
I didn't read the matches so I had Shanghai nyxl Atlanta Washington

Why did you also doubt Dallas??????
Tbh I was high and totally forgot about Dallas because I was watching the Washington game and knew I was voting atlanta for sure and forgot Dallas existed

Shanghai seoul fuel atlanta
Safe picks kinda cringe
Seoul is very nice
How do we pin this? π
?
lol
The glads are a mess. So much talent and they're so bad
Oh come on, apart from Shanghai there are no teams that have been consistently decent this season. Hell, even Shanghai have had their issues.
Fuel
No, not even. They're 9-3. That's a 25% loss rate.
they have a first and second place tournament finish just like shanghai
Houston and SanFran have thes ame number of losses.
Yeah, but they're still dropping matches they shouldn't.
true i guess
i think fuel and shanghai have been separated from the rest of the field, but they haven't been outright dominant. theyve shown weakness
I don't disagree they're a top team - but basically every team have been dropping matches they shouldn't this season, and you have Boston, Atlanta, Paris, Toronto and Washington being just complete wildcards.
Washington and Glads are such disappointments to me this year.
The only teams who have been truly consistent are London, Vancouver and LA Valiant.
lol
Dallas has been consistent
They started slow and are pretty handily winning most matches
We just covered this: Dallas have dropped 3 matches they shouldn't have, that's not consistent.
Not like last year where the shock and dragons were just untouchable
Doesn't mean fuel is inconsistent
no-one came within 2 maps of them
Consistent doesn't mean 3-0 pubstomps and never losing ever
going by this logic, shock was inconsistent last season
DAL: 3-2 to FLM twice, who are above only LDN and VAN (weeks 8 and 12)
Your definition of consistency is way too strict I guess
How is it 'consistent' when a team loses 3-2 to a team then wins 3-1 to the same team two weeks later? π
They consistently have performed at the top for practically the entire season
Yeah, but they're not a stand-out, and that was the original statement.
Consistently decent in that regard. There's a lot of teams who have been 'consistent' if you count 'just kinda being up there'.
how is this inconsistent
Pft, let's not even bother with the ridiculous tournament/qualifier system.
this is inconsistent
Just because they made the tournament finals in a system where you play four matches to qualify and may end up with either an easy or hard run just to merely qualify.
What team is that even showing?
Wtf
ah, I was wondering how Dallas could play Dallas π
london is consistent
consistent in losing, but its still consistency
shd is inconsistent too then by your logic
I play OW, i dont have logic π
Sorry bud, you're 10 minutes too late with that joke π
not you dw
ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lmao, oops
@green dust #esports-discussion message π
if only i was 11 minutes earlier π
That's what I said when I procrastinated buying dogecoin!
bro they only lost 2 games
Both Dallas and Shanghai have only lost 4 games this season
No wait
Shanghai's lost 5
But 3 were in stage playoffs
Oh I know shd is consistent
I'm just showing that the logic the guy had doesn't work out that well
consistent except when they get swept by a random apac team each stage
still waiting for that to happen...
Nyxl hehe
The most consistent team in the League is the Valiant, by the way.
If NYXL sweeps Shanghai I'll paypal a guy I know who's a big NYXL simp $50
i kinda want to see it
stfu
am i missing smtn why is shock not playing?
They didn't qualify
it's this qualifcation system where you only have 4 matches every 3 weeks. You only need to end up losing 1 match a lot of the time to not make it so it's easy for a team to get screwed by somethign as simple as just them happening to play two hard teams in that series.
I mean shock lost two lmao
HOU d SFS 3-1, SFS d PAR 3-0, GLA d SFS 3-2 and SFS d LDN 3-2
I mean.. the score line vs LDN is inexcusable but come on, they got both GLA and HOU in the same stage, AND paris who have been looking strong.
Last series they beat DAL, TOR both 3-1 and VAN 3-0, plus WAS 3-2... and look at why they didnt make it rhoguth
Brother if they're not good enough they're not good enough. Playing in week 1 you could probably argue is a disadvantage because you can get prep diffed by teams that didn't play week 1, but by the time knockouts are being played every team has played and the meta begins to be realised. It's on Shock for getting rolled by Atlanta
you do know that it's qualify to the knockouts
what difference does it make that even if they qualify they'd still lose to Houston or Glads again
swept during knockouts baby
I do wish we had 6 qualifier matches
and maybe double elim knockouts
4 is just way too few
ATL went 3-1 in the June Joust qualifiers but cos SFS lost that one match, didn't even make it though - so ATL get bonus points for the full season as a result.
It's just an all round shit system.
It basically means that the final qualifier for the tourneys is in some ways more important than any of the tourney bracket matches in terms of season standings.
That IS the knockouts
The winner of the knockouts is the final four
yeah sorry, the brackets/tourney
either way. it's an idiotic system and once again proof that americans can't run leagues.
5 per stage would be nice
There would be no harm in just making the stages 4 weeks instead of 3, or having Thursday matches again.
In the whole season this year, teams play 16 matches, plus finals. Even if they were to play cross-region, they wouldn't play all teams
ah god thats a shame
nah cross region impossible
so prob no 3 peat
damn covid ruining everything
They've got a solution for doing it in the finals. They could concievably do it in the regular season - send 3 NA teams to hawaii once per tournament. That's all 12 who go to NA, and duing that week they play four APAC teams.
Do it twice and they could play all 8 APAC teams at least once in the season.
π

is doom viable in esports?
at least he sees some play
my pred is paris dallas shanghai and seoul
because i want eu in a tournament goddamn it
wait paris is in the dallas bracket im smart
o
well in that case im rooting for glads
fuck atlanta
my team best team
my boy gwangboong stuns fleta
and nobody manages to follow up before he rewinds away
Shanghai kinda gaming
love how the broadcast was looking for a reaction cam
doesn't get the W on ilios
slides away awkwardly to the right
it's not their fault the teams they were scheduled with are bad
the valiants fault for full holding philly?
Keeping their best player on the bench
Bup
Abubup
Zip it
I miss Chris
I miss Poko
fuck it where's heesu
Yβknow, NYXL used to have a good main tank
why'd the drop mano
Itβs IMT and Whynot
why would NY not pick Hanamura?
ball is really hard to run on Hanamura, seems like where SHD are more vulnerable
Yakpung is a literal ball one trick
Shit happy birthday
hbd! 2 whoevers bday it is
Yours?
happy birthday shit!
jkjk
mano got hard diffed yesterday maybe he malded
Tbf if I was getting diffed by a bottom 5 main tank that replaced me on my former team iβd mald as well
he's technically up 2 according to watson... did he get dropped from the roster?
Watson knows less than my nan
Yakpung feeded his heart out vs Fusion but didnβt get punished
goddamn bro
chat calling that a c9
a for effort tho. one of the artificial intelligence professors at MIT used to do sc2 rankings
is chat always dumb
they almost let nyxl backcap
shanghai is so hellbent on getting kills, theyre scrimming
They tried to take an aggro fibght
what was that izayaki self window
it's pick your poison.
Shanghai ball or Shanghai orisa
They probs picked skaya because they practiced on it
yakpung is best on the ball so it's their best chance
Oh my
Imagine if you fused fate and fearless into one player
feate
fateless
Remember how i hyped up Yakpung coming out of Contenders?
Literally best tank possible
Thatβs because he was on a contenders team with Proper Pelican and Kalios
My two favorite teams are fighting each other, I dont know who to root fore
not the team that chokes
What position do you think is most lacking in the league
main support
I think it is between main tank and main supp
^
yeah
we need more better main supports
we got a decent amount of rookie main tanks this year
Most main supps seem to just be getting by and not doing much
Ig aderall doesn't help the main supp role
Nope zarya is so fkn easy
Yakpung is actually embarrassing to watch
True

Adderall doesn't actually make you better btw
There's like a 90% chance I pop off every time I play her and I have shit bubbles most of the time
Idc how much Fusion has fallen off
it's like placebo
Whatever he's doing wrong, he doesn't know it
Not even Valiant should lose to a team with Yakpung
But I still think it should be restricted because
don't use shit you don't need
you can develop addictions
CSGO TOs do drug tests. OWL should too
I thought it functioned like caffeine, prevents you from getting tired
so should we ban caffeine from eSports?
Donβt take this advice, snorting G-Fuel enhances gaming performance
Adderall is to treat medical conditions
If you're just taking it just to take it at best nothing happens and at worst it'll harm your health
Caffeine is nowhere near as bad for ppl as aderall
G-Fuel enhances gaming performance, Faze Clan told me so
I think we should just get better gaming chairs
Unironically yes
Better gaming chair will turn someone like Carpe into someone like Dalton
Good gaming chair = more comfortable for longer periods of times = less susceptible to injury
xzi back injuries 
didn't have a good enough gaming chair
I think back injuries come down to posture as well
no, only gaming chair
a bunch of csgo pros did adderall before a match and their comms were hilarious
that's the best gaming chair
10 hours + 7 days = 80
Go outside
what do they do on their weekends
Relieve themselves in the bathroom?
Get ready for when their career ends at 23
game more
Hopefully study
all they fdo is game, no sleep no eat
study vods
You are literally describing my daily routine to my face
gamer
I think it'd be more depressing for doa
I'm a season 1 nyxl and shanghai fan
the original New York and LA valiant were so dominant back when there were only 12 teams
My how times change for these two teams
point being from DoA's perpective then and now, it's staggering how he's talking about the same org
Think about how he feels about Shanghai
shanghai does a little trolling
2018 DoA with monte: New York is sandbagging since they don't have much to lose... Shanghai's Diya is amazing despite very little success
2021 DoA with ZP: Shanghai Dragons need to get home early and party after a good homestand... NYXL getting swept 3-0
Ok New York is boring me now and iβm hungry
I'm praying for Chengdu
Not even the 4-0 curse is enough to cause a team as bad as NYXL to take a map
Shanghai does a little bit more trolling
yoo
nice bomb
shanghai does too much trolling
New York does a little trolling
Imagine how good NYXL would be with Sideshow instead of Yakpung
why would you put an fdps on main tank
OwO
dragons putting on a show for their homestand
Have you guys experienced problems with tokens ?
I have watch an encore and the last stream, and I have gained only 5 tokens x.x
damn
lololol
:/
EZ
The reverse Shang9
that wasn't even lost for nyxl
X9
NYXL chokers???
eXcelsior9
Yakpung was probably dead either way, he had like 200hp left
New York ExCelsior9
Thank you new york
you managed to net 2 hours for a 3-0 match
I think credit should be going to Shanghai with those introductions, actually
yes longer intros pls
π
what happened to the Shanghai cheerleading team is the real question
oh shit paris vs justice today
not full 2 hours to be fair
stream started around 10:50 local time, it is now 12:33 local time
so that is like 1 hour 40 minutes match ? π
so you say Chengdon't today ?
cheerleaders were a US thing, now you have women in sailor suits and schoolgirl outfits
shanghai crowd are roaring at these stats
is that ball stats?
cool
D:
"Chaddington Chadwick on the ball"
these matches determine whos gonna be in knockouts right?
these are already the knockout matches
have chadmate played ball?
yes, as dates show
Youβd think that I would eventually learn to not predict Seoul to make it to Hawaii
But I know that the one time I donβt pred them theyβre gonna make it
The biggest gamble
very close lose
torb diff
the barrier dropping last minute fucked ameng lol
Hangzhou had cosplayers
Shanghai cosplayers are a lot less prominent
Yes ChipSa, how else would he have 100% map wins
supe
r
cause he takes adderall'
D: no way
he played only 1 match bro

luckily his one trick doom worked
Gaga bullied
watching these two teams comps just shows how bad either one will get rolled by fuel or dragons dive if it comes to it
Any team
would get rolled
Nobody's doubting em
bruh fits a real person?
Where do hunters place if you rank every team?
Top 10
@balmy wolf na third place
hahaha ppl say that everytime
good
Your team is boring to watch
idc
okso
what's the chengdu zone?
I've seen the name a couple times but don't really understand
Iβm checking scores and was nyxl a close match for a 3-0
no
on 1 end
they go against reign
on the other
against dallas
dont they have to beat justice and then beat dallas?
Yeah I mean like
there are 2 ways to go to hawaii
one of them is to beat reign
and the other way is to beat Dallas
if that makes sense
oh ok i get it
yeah
Its like rip NA
u either have to go against Reign in 1 bracket or Dallas in the other
yh im stupid
wouldn't it be funny if Dallas just stopped Houston from getting in all tourneys
i mean houston threw against uprising
yeah but theys till could have gone in who knows
but it has been dallas
putting the nail in the coffin
all 3 times
tru
Welcome to Chengdu vs Seoul
tbf it dont really matter who makes it they wont stand a chance to dallas or dragons
So 4-0 curse broken?
Seoul symm rush
wdym 4-0?

Shanghai went 4-0 and won
Yo Monk is cracked
and for that reason they'll lose in the finals
Dallas are 4-0 though
who said they'll lose to dallas?
yeah which is why some weird shit'll happen and they'll both get rolled by chengdu playing ameng
^^
I mean either way, Dynasty and Chengdu are historically enemies against Shanghai
they've given Shanghai
also mmonk is fucking nuts on this ana
Seoul rush 
Iβm fine with either team making it
Seoul 
Same
Seoulmegalul
ggs
Niceee
GG
LETS GOOO
this match was hype
Yes
GGs
Seoul miss another Hawaii LOL
like honestly
LOL RIP SEOUL
Oh I got regular
as if finals are going to be anything else but dragons vs fuel π€·ββοΈ
so much excitement for a team thats gonna get rolled next weekend
Ikr
Leave is such a fucking unit
congrats seoul on being the dumbest fucking team of the day
we don't talk about that
THATS TRUE
Haha pickems ftw
BUT IT DONT MATTER
Hey its Seoul
Did you expect them to win
If dallas wins they avoid shanghai first match right
jinmu went uncontested smhsmh
Dallas and Shanghai both seed 1
This bracket is going to be similar to may
it will be shanghai vs na 2
they play way to split to hope at winning against fuel or dragons they go jimnu pharah then fuel or dragons just gonna full team dive and destroy backline
and dallas v chengdu
a lot of teams in west that weren't in mm
So we get two Dallas shanghai fights
I meant in terms of who win
Unfortunate
Really wish seoul would have won that
but thats alright, next time ig
They wouldve gotten killed by dallas or shanghai anyway
the one time they dont go sombra heavy and they lose lmao
leave looking especially delicious today
not as delicious as fate tho
east meta is so unnatural to me
How did seoul chengdu go
good
3-2 Chengdu
it went good
Nice
welp dont matter either way
Anywas
Wait till playoffs
hunters gonna get shit stomp by NA and then dragons go into finals
STriker has been the best tracer for two seasons
Season 2 and season 3
But tracer was never really played in season 2
striker was around in season 1 y'know
he was still top 2
So, Chengdu getting swept by Dallas next week?
there was a reason Boston was #3 in the league season 1
@willow tartan yep
strikers tracer has the best record over the years
There's a reason they didnt win the stage finals in stage 3
season 3 striker was arguably his best performance and the best tracer that season
not every team can go 10-0
Not just arguably
It was
For the entire sf shock, s3 was their best year, other than maybe super
bruh u talking about s1 lmao
choked harder than sym 1 tricks in diamond
I was saying striker was the best tracer in season 2 and 3
average overwatch league chat talking about s1
drama yikes
Desk has never been funny
yea drama from horribly ran orgs
You never watced monte and doa
And their desk skits
Hilarious how they would clown teams
imagine xqc as a caster
@tacit skiff His fan base is made of little kids
esp now with winston comp
Would take him 30 years to finish a sentence
I dont know why he plays overwatch
I'm his fan base
i wonder what xqc thinks of fearless
he should have played fornite
its just me on thousands of devices
so more little kids would come to his stream
He did for a bit
and he dont know shit outside of gaming
bruh he did play Fortnite
and got tilted out of his mind by steam snipers
must suck knowing you got to fight two teams to get in for Na lol
The problem with super teams is simple
Glads benfited more from losing
then justice did from winnning
they get to dodge fuel for free
Justice has to play into fuel
That's why they threw
Shock gets to dodge fuel and dragons free this time KEKW
yes when is the shock vs dragons rematch
π
i want blood
can't wait for Boston to get 3-0d again
Imagine being a boston fan
deny me my serotonin
Unlucky
as long as Atlanta loses idgaf
even if Boston win against the Glads
they def aren't getting past the Reign
not after that shit show yesterday
hi draw welcome back to the world where shock is mediocre
when ow2 comes out, I hope the new heroes are just utterly broken and we get a return to the craziness that was the 2018 season
overwatch league 2
thats a given, new heroes are always busted
Orisa
Orisa cracked wdym
She wasn't on release
Orisa been cracked
ok two hereoes were not busted on release
if you can click heads as Orisa, you're cracked
Orisa was 100% busted on release
no she wasnt
She wasn't played for like 6 months
it was just how she meshed with the other heroes that made her stronger
But she was released into a meta that she didn't work in
like
I miss dive
a lot of overwatch heroes on their own are perfectly reasonable
og dive
but then you get into tank duos n shit
and suddenly you have an oppressive meta for 2 years
Winston dva genji tracer mercy Lucio dive
Orisa busted, triple tank much more busted
ew mercy lucio dive
make brig able to angle her bash like the april fool's doomfist
wanna bash directly straight up
She got her shield cd buffed two months after she was released, and then her shield buffed again three months later
That's when she started being played
what about when ashe was released? she was ass up until they fixed her shitty reload
She started being played because goats died, not because she got buffed
climbed up to 3400 on post rework Brig
I wish I still had that kinda win luck
?
yeah but that didnt mean that she was OP on launch
Orisa was good long before goats existed
at least i didnt think so
Orisa was good before brig came out
As long as her pull was 8 meters she was busted
if your team's Orisa can farm supercharger, then she's kinda busted
Yes
The understanding of the game has π
It's a shield tank with graviton surge
Comboing ults was a new thing to pros in 2018 
Orisa wouldn't exist if she was released today
People would complain that supercharger and pull are broken abilities
and she'd be nerfed into oblivion
if anything
I think Orisa should start throwing out sym shields
Remember shieldwatch
some people really are oblivious

Imagine telling someone before the season started that Shock Fusion and Dynasty would not make it to Hawaii
If you went to 2018 and told someone that Chengdu's made it to Hawaii twice they'd ask what tf a chengdu is
If you went to 2012 and told someone that the New York Excelsior is not even close to being the best team in the Overwatch League anymore theyβd look confused because overwatch would not be released for another 4 years
imagine trusting seoul
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that bracket was super easy to predict too
You have choking the team vs cendu
and dragons vs excelsi
r
I'm malding so hard rn my knockout brackets never saved
No
Leave on the tracer is just nuts
How does Seoul lose π









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