esports-discussion

[earnest leaf]

and another good team to beat a mid tier team

well deny them any maps

but who knows, justice could go snag koth really quick and it would over for shock

[devout path]

Justice mid tier?

[earnest leaf]

yes

[forest raven]

I feel like either Glads sweeps Justice

Or their mental booms

And they get fucked

[earnest leaf]

beat a bunch of mid tier teams, and beat dallas when dallas was weak

[north relic]

What team is this

[earnest leaf]

justice

[north relic]

Since when did they lose to shock

[forest raven]

The Journament

[earnest leaf]

last week in the june joust

[north relic]

Oh yea

[earnest leaf]

with the monkey moira stuff

[north relic]

I thought the Florida match was the recent one

[earnest leaf]

this site isn't updated for summer showdown matches

so it's missing their london/florida/reign matches

[tacit skiff]

like how fans of owl like to shit on bottom-mid tier team players when they are still literally the best of the best of overwatch players and destroy in the ranked ladder

case in point, Valentine hit rank 1 dps not too long ago, but people still want to trash talk his performance this season because of a few couple bad matches

[devout path]

Valentine is literally playing so well rn

[forest raven]

Uh oh

Salty Boston fan

[tacit skiff]

This isn't just a Boston problem

[devout path]

Valentine is literally cracked

[north relic]

Uh oh grandpa said some nono words

[tacit skiff]

People hate on Danteh because of this shame issue

[devout path]

Ppl call London shit then realized they absolutely dominated the best European players in the world forever

[forest raven]

So do you not want the casters or analysts to talk about players when they fuck up or get rolled?

Just

No one's allowed to say anything bad about anyone in OWL because they're not better than them at ow

[tacit skiff]

Imagine being Geguri in season 1, one of the best Zarya players in the world but had her reputation shattered because of Shanghai going 0-40

she was so good at the game, people accused her of cheating

[forest raven]

In 2016

[tacit skiff]

this was the 2018 season

[forest raven]

She was accused of cheating from those idiots in 2016/early 2017

[earnest leaf]

geguri was good but nothing special in context of owl

and yea i'll shit on mid tier teams lol

[devout path]

No ppl can be criticized but people need to calm tf down

[forest raven]

I'll shit on London, Vancouver, Valiant all day long

I'll even shit on teams like Washington because they can't get it together with an all star roster

[tacit skiff]

These players are in owl for a reason, they know what they're doing
owl teams fail because of lack of communication and team coordination
hence, why the shock have done so well the past two seasons, but teams like London, Vancouver, and the Valiant, have had all new rosters several times
London is seemingly in the best spot of the three because almost every player on London were working together in Contenders

[earnest leaf]

Teams also fall down in certain parts due to individual players being poor in context of owl

[tacit skiff]

Valiant's org, not players, deserve all the hate

[earnest leaf]

sure they can hit 4500 and stomp ladder, but that's ladder

But there are for sure players that just aren't great in certain things

Fearless, one of the best tanks struggles on orisa

[forest raven]

Colourhex hits top 10 every season on like two accounts

[devout path]

As long as you aren’t sending death threats or actively threatening the players/org idc

[forest raven]

He fucking doesn't do shit in owl

[tacit skiff]

He's hard benched

[forest raven]

And when he played he was shit

[tacit skiff]

Valentine and IM37 are much better together

I think Colourhex has a hard time with team coordination

[devout path]

Im37 is bad

[earnest leaf]

also hadi is a tank in the league

and changsik

[forest raven]

THIS SHATTER NEEDS TO BE GARGANTUAN

[tacit skiff]

He hasn't really impressed me with any of his playtime

[earnest leaf]

and silver3

[forest raven]

AND ITS NOT

[earnest leaf]

and daan but daan gets points for more leadership

[devout path]

The thing is it’s not like he was bad in contenders

[forest raven]

EU contenders

[earnest leaf]

yea but that was eu contenders

[devout path]

That’s just how big the level up is

[tacit skiff]

I think that Paris is a good example of a team doing well with a native roster

They're doing relatively good this season

Especially after losing Sp9rkle

[forest raven]

Paris completely rebuilt for this year my guy

[tacit skiff]

Why do you think I said a native roster

[earnest leaf]

paris has been doing better lately, but nothing impressive

[tacit skiff]

Big difference from previous seasons

[earnest leaf]

only decent thing was beating glads but glads did a little bit of throwing

[forest raven]

Glads' mental game is trash

[earnest leaf]

dpei as their coach is not the best of things

[tacit skiff]

I'm glad it's officially known who the better LA team is now

[forest raven]

Wdym

There's only one LA team

[tawdry hamlet]

[sullen berry]

Did you mean to say Cali

Shock and Gladiators

Valiant having a foreign exchange trip and defected to China

[willow tartan]

americatown

[tawdry hamlet]

Liz is cool and all but this take is wack
https://twitter.com/mizliz_/status/1413593599913209863?s=20

Liz Richardson (@mizliz_)

Your daily reminder that SR =/= knowledge about Overwatch.

We know more about this game than people in top 500 and that's an absolute fact. While they may understand mechanics and hero abilities, we have the broad knowledge required to cover the game daily.

Stay mad. https://t.co/4Um77e29R4

Twitter · Jul 9, 2021, 8:19 PM

how tf you going to know more about the game than someone who has played it 8 hours a day for three years straight and has won two world titles

[forest raven]

There's a difference between reporters in the scene and coaches

[tawdry hamlet]

also kind of weirdchamp take
https://twitter.com/mizliz_/status/1413594554322898949?s=20

Liz Richardson (@mizliz_)

Ask a t500 player about a balance change that a.) isn't one of their main heroes and b.) isn't one that reddit has been throwing fits about.

They won't know about it. You know who will? Me. Me, in silver right now. Stay mad.

Twitter · Jul 9, 2021, 8:22 PM

just seems like a high horse she is getting on for no reason and with no actual performance to back it up other than generic articles on roster moves

[next mesa]

That take is actually pretty wack

[tawdry hamlet]

and if it isn't bait it really makes me question things, because a silver could say bastion is op, but a gm would say he isn't, and factually he isn't, hmm

[willow tartan]

idk but what i do know is sideshow is gold somehow

so knowledge about the game does not necessarily equate to more SR

[tawdry hamlet]

that is fair, mechanics and game knowledge are different to an extent, but sideshow is a caster and coaches like crusty are only plat, but at the same time she is literally a journalist which is the point everyone is making lmao

[next mesa]

It's more like knowledge about the game doesn't translate to live fast good decision making

[willow tartan]

yes

egg head does some stupid shit in game

[willow tartan]

jeff kaplan was plat, i rest my case.

[tawdry hamlet]

liberals destroyed

[forest raven]

I mean

Jeff never knew much about the game

[willow tartan]

but no yeah i have no idea who liz is

as if game journalism was any more respectable than regular journalism

[next mesa]

She's a like half relevant journalist in ow scene

[tawdry hamlet]

she is the one that posts the roster moves and skin releases and all that stuff for dailydot

[devout path]

Sr ≠ knowledge but generally higher sr people are more knowledgeable

[willow tartan]

yes

sort of

you can also just get higher SR off the back of your raw mechanical skill

[frank granite]

there are a whole lot more silver players who nothing about balance than t500s /shrug

[devout path]

It takes some form of knowledge to reach actually high srs tho

[willow tartan]

i dont think that was the point being made by liz the journalist

she was being like "yo fuck t500 players that complain about balance cuz I, a game journalist, know more than they do about the game"

[tawdry hamlet]

malding mercy player
https://twitter.com/mizliz_/status/1399503642353352708

Liz Richardson (@mizliz_)

Have a hot tip and maybe a hot take for ranked Overwatch:

If you're below Plat, stop hard flanking.

It's not going to work. You are not going to kill anyone if you're in fucking Narnia. Just because OWL does it doesn't mean you can. Stay. With. The. Team.

Likes

1667

Twitter · May 31, 2021, 11:10 PM

[tawdry hamlet]

yeah that is the vibe it gave me tbh

like I can respect her work and stuff but the vibe seemed so off lmao

[forest raven]

Bro the amount of flaming hot molten takes I see in this server from silver to diamond players that don't know what they're talking about but are so convinced they do is astounding

[devout path]

Anyone who says they know more without backing it up is most likely not knowledgeable

[forest raven]

Actually mindblowing

[willow tartan]

here's my hot take

when to hard flank is fucking situational like everything else in the game

there are no hard rules

[devout path]

Like if you need to bring up achievements or rank to make a point about the game it’s not a good point

[willow tartan]

actual fkn 3head take

[devout path]

That’s not a hot take

Some people r dumb

[willow tartan]

besides the only hard flanking we really consistently see is from heroes that are supposed to do that (In the OWL)

[frank granite]

if you hard flank at the wrong time you drop in rank, if you do it at the right time you go up in rank :)

[devout path]

I mean like I would only understand this if it was from like an owl coach

[frank granite]

there's no one strategy at different srs

[willow tartan]

what does it matter if its from an OWL coach

itd still be wrong

[tawdry hamlet]

it took one @ here in a discord to ratio the post
https://twitter.com/Apply/status/1413726866855235585?s=20

Apply (@Apply)

@mizliz_ what

Twitter · Jul 10, 2021, 5:08 AM

[forest raven]

Apply

[devout path]

Well I mean they’re more knowledgeable about the game than literally every t500 player

[willow tartan]

they should be

[devout path]

Other than like

[worn falcon]

That's subjetive too

[devout path]

Other coaches in t500

[willow tartan]

but owl coaches know better than to embroil themselves in twitter arguments

[worn falcon]

And some personal bias

[willow tartan]

keep your head down and dont get noticed

[tawdry hamlet]

other than like charge beginning season coaching staff

[devout path]

Also true

[tawdry hamlet]

and spark

[devout path]

Kekw

[worn falcon]

Charge

[willow tartan]

apac head coach change any%

[worn falcon]

[devout path]

Goodnight all of u

[tawdry hamlet]

was wild though to see mentalist and all the others just come and go like a revolving door in early season

then london coach too

[next mesa]

To be fair like a normal bronze player attempting flank wouldn't work

[sullen berry]

It can sure end a comp party real quick

[willow tartan]

sure it will

ppl are more unaware in bronze right?

ez frags on their support line

no support you win ez

[frank granite]

honestly hard flanking works better in bronze than any other rank

even for someone with bronze aim

just press q in their backline on like 50% of dps

[stuck radish]

people in bronze lose 6v2s quite often

[tawdry hamlet]

the second I worked on my aim and then just looked off angle click click click I was up 500 sr in a day or two back when I was silver

[tawdry hamlet]

also update on this she deleted the tweet

she already subtweeted applys ratio

she is claiming she also got death threats within an hour of tweeting which I mean sucks obviously but I can't in my mind believe that she thought this is what people would think with her tweet, she knew what she was doing lmao

anyway weird stuff goin on on twitter like usual

[sullen berry]

the insanity of these cowboys (the ones who only turn up for OWL content for the drama)

[tawdry hamlet]

lmao, I love all aspects of owl man, the drama, the play, the one tricks, the upsets, the hype, the fantasy rosters you can make in your head

all so much

fun

[sullen berry]

like when that one post of Masaa on the official OWL twitter that "it's not coming home" is hilarious in and of itself

why anyone in EU or london specifically see that as an attack is mind boggling

[tawdry hamlet]

Drama in particular just makes me laugh because it is so weird how mad people can get over a simple disagreement in a character or something in a game lmaoo

[earnest leaf]

wait what did miz say?

to tilt people?

[sullen berry]

having one of those monte moments on twitter

#esports-discussion message

[earnest leaf]

deleted tweet

[sullen berry]

on the surface, she's right - who has time to be able to confidently explain Overwatch to people who are in other worlds from esports?

fixed

discord post links are underrated

[tawdry hamlet]

someone already made a meme im dead lmaoo

[sullen berry]

what's the point of the blanks

also easily misinterpreted, that's a tilt tweet if I ever seen one

[tawdry hamlet]

yeah I have no doubt she purposely worded it that way to bait and then say everyone just misunderstood

[earnest leaf]

I'm gonna be straight up

[tawdry hamlet]

there is no way you could word something so poorly lmao

[earnest leaf]

I don't give a fuck about OW journalism

[tawdry hamlet]

I just get my news from halo and reddit tbh

[sullen berry]

if we lose liz, then Jacob Wolf will have to update us on the report of the OWL salary cap with the Department of Justice

[sullen berry]

halo = bad and reddit = worse, but yeah that's a hard truth

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean halo can be silly sometimes but he is right 8/10 times and where else am I going to fuel my need for pointless speculation on roster moves hehe

[sullen berry]

reddit when I'm not reading mindless takes or treating it as blizzard forums but white is otherwise, pretty good

[tawdry hamlet]

then there are the people who unironically read overwatch tmz lmaoo

[sullen berry]

serves its purpose as community-driven newsfeed

[tawdry hamlet]

that shit is so dumb

[earnest leaf]

hey I check out owtmz every now and then

sometimes there is some dumb funny post

shit like this

[tawdry hamlet]

lmaoooo

I remember that one

[earnest leaf]

just things so stupid that are funny

[tawdry hamlet]

that one was gold

ok so I admit I might indulge in the overwatchtmz a little bit

[buoyant coyote]

3 3-0s today in the west. Pretty uneventful.

[slow lodge]

is anyone else's knockout sunday empty?

[willow tartan]

what in gods name

man at least get paid if you're gonna do boosting...

[tawdry hamlet]

that post was wild

I remember reading it a few weeks back it was funny af

[willow tartan]

context pls?

[mortal abyss]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Fusion/status/1413769965140910084

Philadelphia Fusion (@Fusion)

Check out today's Starting 6 powered by @CommScope 👊 https://t.co/mVbLn0lpas

Twitter · Jul 10, 2021, 8:00 AM

[mortal abyss]

Overwatch TMZ is uhh

[tawdry hamlet]

Just some twitter drama bout a small time streamer with an of allegedly paying dps duos in free subscriptions lmaoo

https://youtu.be/z1gvFeblERc

Also fun watch

[willow tartan]

shockwave WHERE

is poko in korea yet?

[mortal abyss]

Nosir

[willow tartan]

gamers

its TIME

[ebon aurora]

do you think Spark will get a map off Dragons?

[willow tartan]

no

they struggled against nyxl..

[tawdry hamlet]

Probably not but it's possible I guess

[willow tartan]

its apac its totally possible valiant could beat chengdu in a map 5

if any team had to lose to valiant it would be chengdu

[hot onyx]

Time for me to drown in a pool of my own tears

[tawdry hamlet]

It's apac its totally possible Shanghai go to map 5 this series after 3-0 ing fusion and Seoul lmao

[willow tartan]

we should see

3 clean 3-0's

[forest raven]

NYXL 3-2

[hot onyx]

If Fusion lose this I’m changing my nickname theme to NineK

[tawdry hamlet]

Valid

[hot onyx]

No team that is good will lose to NYXL twice this season

[willow tartan]

carpe sombra eqo tracer btw

[hot onyx]

I know

My nan knows

[willow tartan]

its almost as bad as violet lucio

[hot onyx]

When my nan questions the decision of one of the most hyped up coaches of the season, you know it’s a bad decision

[willow tartan]

did you remember the shock vs dallas game in jj on eichenwalde

violet lucio twilight moira

actually makes me mald thinking abt it

[hot onyx]

Makes me happy thinking about it

[tawdry hamlet]

what makes me mald is philly losing against weaker teams in the weaker region

I can forgive shanghai losses

but sometimes this team man

[hot onyx]

They aren’t losing against weaker teams though

Chengdu vastly improved

[willow tartan]

they're still a weaker team than philly

[hot onyx]

They only lost because Chengdu are good cope

[tawdry hamlet]

is gaga overrated or just not necessary to win games anymore because they seem deadset on ameng recently out of nowhere

[willow tartan]

ball meta

ameng is the ball god

[hot onyx]

Fuck shit shit shit fucking shit

[tawdry hamlet]

yeah but gaga was literally the same or better than ameng on ball and can actually play other tanks tbh

at least earlier in season

[hot onyx]

Fusion has never won a match Doa and ZP has casted this season

[tawdry hamlet]

tragic

[willow tartan]

mechanically sure but ameng has been running ball comps for much longer

maybe he can coordinate better in this sort of dive

[forest raven]

Shanghai hasn't dropped a map yet this stage

Nice

[willow tartan]

like maybe he's a better shotcaller or something

[tawdry hamlet]

oh yeah homestand s I forgot about that stuff

[willow tartan]

home stand hype

such epic

[hot onyx]

Hopefully that does not change

Until the knockouts ofc

[willow tartan]

4-0 curse...

[forest raven]

3-0verwatch https://i.imgur.com/x8aFLZ3.png

[hot onyx]

Bathroom break

[willow tartan]

East should be all 3-0s too

wait I just realized neither team are gonna be on stage for the first match lol

just gonna be empty

[mortal abyss]

god that staudium looks sick

[forest raven]

COVID . o O ( )

[willow tartan]

it is so cool

whoos that pokemon

[tawdry hamlet]

Kalios has a medical condition his skin is just dark grey

[forest raven]

Carpe 29/40

[tawdry hamlet]

Tbh now that the casters say it out loud, they aren't wrong what the fuck were their picks into that

Pharah comp

[willow tartan]

Their strategy was "let's ignore the pharmercy and rush the enemy team 6v4"

[tawdry hamlet]

Let's ignore arguably the best or second best owl pharah we'll be fine

[willow tartan]

I mean there's only like 3 good pharah players

profit fleta and jinmu

[forest raven]

Hey

[tawdry hamlet]

Only 3 good ones or only three teams that ever play her

[mortal abyss]

we got fucked by fleta on pharah aswell

[forest raven]

Don't be disrespecting Nero's name like that

[willow tartan]

both

why don't NA teams play pharah on lijang btw

like at all

[tawdry hamlet]

Nero played her on hanamura and fucked

[forest raven]

Because NA = rush

[mortal abyss]

^

[willow tartan]

I thought EU = rush

[forest raven]

Ball and sombra do not exist in NA

Rein does not exist in APAC

[willow tartan]

Eastern Conference still playing with no rein hero pools

[forest raven]

After Shanghai beats Dallas again in the playoffs plat chat will say for the nth time APAC was always behind the meta

[hollow bough]

they are talking over the trash talk segment im trying to listen to lol

[willow tartan]

"APAC was behind, Shanghai is just good."

5head

[hot onyx]

Bathroom break over

[tawdry hamlet]

Doha solo cast lmaoo

[forest raven]

Meanwhile Shanghai counter comped the one comp NA had been honing for weeks over the course of a single day

[mortal abyss]

rip zp

[tawdry hamlet]

Lets gooo

[hot onyx]

Ah no more ZP thank goodness

[willow tartan]

counter comp any%

[forest raven]

Seriously

They figured out how to make the ball disruption work against monke rush after one fucking game

[tawdry hamlet]

Oh I had an idea for something very funny, ban rein in eu contenders and watch the chaos lmao

[hot onyx]

NO

WHY

WHAT THE FUCK

[willow tartan]

If it's any team to make a counter comp in such a short period of time its Shanghai

[mortal abyss]

WHY CARPE SOMMBRA

EJDASOJSAJSOJASD

[willow tartan]

carpe Sombra eqo Tracer lol

[forest raven]

PHILLY FANS

[willow tartan]

GG nyxl win

[hot onyx]

here i will make a formal attempt to take ninek’s job

[tawdry hamlet]

Doubters??? I'm jk it one fight

[mortal abyss]

tbh it feels like eqo is either insane or invisible

like there

that was insane

[tawdry hamlet]

Eqo is underrated 😭

[willow tartan]

carpe is the one invisible he's on sombra

[hollow bough]

eqo carried that

[tawdry hamlet]

[willow tartan]

wait stick but no die?

there's no lamp what happened

[mortal abyss]

alrm and eqo carrying

[hot onyx]

Zarya bubble?

[tawdry hamlet]

I said eqo was a top 5 flex and nobody believe me 😭

[hot onyx]

Don’t be putting me in the “nobody” category

[willow tartan]

wym eqo has been the most consistent performer on philly

[tawdry hamlet]

Last season at least this season he like top 10

[willow tartan]

wait does this mean they're permabenching shockwave?

eqo tracer carpe hitscan

[tawdry hamlet]

Friday sucks idc what you ny copium fans say

[hot onyx]

Odd way to spell Alarm

[willow tartan]

they're permabenching shockwave oh my god

[hot onyx]

Ok

There is literallt

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean tbf, eqo is better than rascal this season so far and carpe is probably better than shockwave

[hot onyx]

One of the best main supports in the world

Vs FunnyAstro

How is rhis fair?

[willow tartan]

Friday is too good

[tawdry hamlet]

Carpe Sombra went

[willow tartan]

I am still not okay with this

[mortal abyss]

this is the eqo and alarm show jesus

[hot onyx]

I’m still more confident in Rascal tracer

[tawdry hamlet]

Eqo looked great since his debut but fusion kept losing so people didn't think he did 😭

[hollow bough]

omg

[tawdry hamlet]

Rascal has Lowkey looked mid af this season

Like what happened to him

[mortal abyss]

sheesh ok

go on carpe

[hot onyx]

EQO looked poor vs Dragons and Hunters map 5

[tawdry hamlet]

The hunters map 5 was coach diff, they ran mei Sombra into pharmercy

[hollow bough]

thrownak needs to put his glasses on bruh

[willow tartan]

Coaches thought that Alarm could diff yveltal jinmu

[mortal abyss]

now its carpes turn to carry

[tawdry hamlet]

Wow tbh I never realized how quiet these this casting duo is compared to others

Sideshow and Vikki are loud I guess so I get used to that

[hollow bough]

I like it a lot better

[willow tartan]

it's late at night for them right?

don't want them be loud

[balmy wolf]

nyxl = my diamond lobbies

oh nvm

[hot onyx]

Don’t say that

[balmy wolf]

they finally capped point

[tawdry hamlet]

Damn you get in some pretty good diamond lobbies

[hot onyx]

If they win then Fusion = my plat lobbies

[willow tartan]

gwangboong is my favorite nyxl player

[hollow bough]

hypecasters are for the NA games in NA times

chillcasters for 2 am

[tawdry hamlet]

Hypecasters do show up when apac games get close though

[willow tartan]

the Chinese casters are pretty hype

[hollow bough]

asian casters are so fun

they scream constantly

[hot onyx]

Legday Lemon for OWL

[tawdry hamlet]

Yes thank you finally

Someone that wants that

[willow tartan]

Mano ball

[hot onyx]

Bring back drunk Hex

[tawdry hamlet]

Tridd for owl casting

[willow tartan]

I want them to put a player to cast

[tawdry hamlet]

I have a feeling meka base will be nyxl win and I'll be sadge

[mortal abyss]

ok

[willow tartan]

which owl player do you think would be the best caster

[mortal abyss]

jake

[hot onyx]

Kai

[remote siren]

See nyxl is such a istrating team

2 map fives

[willow tartan]

is Kai really vocal?

[hollow bough]

super lol

[willow tartan]

never noticed

[balmy wolf]

Silver3

[hot onyx]

Not in the slightest

[remote siren]

if they werent so good at coking

[willow tartan]

super casting would be funny

[remote siren]

they would be 3 0

[balmy wolf]

true

they should do that some time

[willow tartan]

who would be his caster duo

[mortal abyss]

HOLY SHIT EQO

[willow tartan]

Actually DIFF

[balmy wolf]

ball is so painful to watch in owl

[hollow bough]

heavy ball diff

[mortal abyss]

fusion win a fight without carpe or eqo or alarm carrying challenge (gone wrong)

[willow tartan]

gwangboong so pro

[tawdry hamlet]

Nyxl backline don't get rekt by eqo challenge (impossible)

[hollow bough]

thrownak moment

[willow tartan]

fusion ult economy

[hollow bough]

lol

[willow tartan]

Let's see how they throw this one away

[tawdry hamlet]

Wait isn't yakpung known as a ball player

[hollow bough]

i guess "regroup" in korean is "feed"

[tawdry hamlet]

Also something funny about watching a British guy on an American franchise playing Korea while being live streamed to a stadium in china

Oh hey there's the throw

[remote siren]

rally diff

[tawdry hamlet]

You got it

[remote siren]

Rally diff

[hot onyx]

I’m sad

[balmy wolf]

common philly choke

[willow tartan]

gwangboong so sexy

[mortal abyss]

[remote siren]

@balmy wolf just rally

no way the win that

[willow tartan]

They lose jjonak early and still win

[tawdry hamlet]

At least eqo doubters can cease

[balmy wolf]

well

time to check fusion twitter

[worthy void]

eqo carrying fusion

[remote siren]

@willow tartan If Nyxl could win map 5 they would be 3 0

[hot onyx]

Time to rewatch Bad Pachimari’s “Fusion Fan Experience”

[remote siren]

All their losses go to 5

[balmy wolf]

any1 watching?

[worthy void]

hoping NYXL wins

[worthy void]

yeah lol

[balmy wolf]

yo eqo poppin OFF

[tawdry hamlet]

No we aren't watching we're just talking about the game

[hollow bough]

did they change how frequently you get owl tokens? I just got 5 for 30 min

[tawdry hamlet]

But yes eqo go brr

[mortal abyss]

ugh

[worthy void]

what is the current power ranking

[mortal abyss]

fusion moment

[balmy wolf]

CLUTCH yakpung touch

[willow tartan]

Battle of who chokes more.
Philly or NYXL

[balmy wolf]

eqo isn't top 30 dps... yet

[mortal abyss]

https://www.overwatchleague.com/en-us/standings/

[balmy wolf]

flora slipping

[remote siren]

Nyxl is always the underdog in their games

Philly

[worthy void]

sf shock is out right

[remote siren]

.........

[balmy wolf]

WUT?!?!?! shock is out? sadge

[remote siren]

Not yet

[tawdry hamlet]

Philly is so frustrating to watch. Always so close and losing at 99 percent or by like a meter or two on a map 5 😭

[remote siren]

@tawdry hamlet NYXL too

[worthy void]

Shock is probably out

[remote siren]

There's two choke masters in apac

[hot onyx]

Unless Justice lose to Gladiators 3-0 and Shock beat Justice in a tiebreaker Shock is out

[remote siren]

If justice lost 3 0 ten shock has a better amp diff

[worthy void]

or vice versa?

[tawdry hamlet]

Yeah but nyxl have the newer rookie roster so it's so hard to not be more frustrated at philly when talent wise they have an insanely stacked roster

😭

[willow tartan]

I can see justice getting swept

[worthy void]

dude hopefully justice gets swept

[remote siren]

Imagine being a philly fan

[balmy wolf]

both nyxl and philly are at knockout cutoff

[remote siren]

couldnt be me

[hot onyx]

No, because Gladiators beat Shock in the head to head and get the advance in a tie breaker scenerio

[worthy void]

so i can see my fav team compete

[tawdry hamlet]

I'm really not a philly fan I just want this roster to perform how they should be able to 😭

And I don't care for anyone in new York besides ivy

For obvious reasons

[willow tartan]

I want a real challenge for Shanghai

[mortal abyss]

hotba kind of threw that last map

[willow tartan]

Like where is philly playoffs threat final form philly

[mortal abyss]

he was constantly misusing his cooldowns

[mortal abyss]

with poko

[worthy void]

wdym

[willow tartan]

Where is the Shanghai Philly Fuel Shock stage

[remote siren]

FInal form philly is choking

[tawdry hamlet]

Long dead in our hopes and dreams 😭

[remote siren]

when things get pressured, they get reverse swept

Since season 1

[tawdry hamlet]

If they don't do an exhibition tourney with those teams I'll shoot my foot 🦶

[hot onyx]

I mean if Gladiators lose 3-0 and have a tied map diff with Shock, Gladiators go through to knockouts since they already beat Shock in their regular season matchup

[worthy void]

oh i see

Pleasee justice get swept so shock can compete another day 🙏

[tawdry hamlet]

It's almost 3am I'm tired and I'm about to light up so I'll probably fall asleep and wake up to intense disappointment

Also nyxl genji let's see if philly choke like Houston lmao

[worthy void]

dive :flushed;

[willow tartan]

Isn't rascal a better echo

[tawdry hamlet]

Rascal been mid af this season so they probably want to try something new

And how tf did new York even win

[worthy void]

yoo

jjonak built that nano fast

[tawdry hamlet]

Genji did nothing lmaoo

[willow tartan]

Nano wins ez

[mortal abyss]

why did we go into that room

[worthy void]

nano carried

lmfao

jjonak built 2 nanos

[tawdry hamlet]

Sadge

[worthy void]

feather doesnt even have blade

[tawdry hamlet]

Anubis jjonak ana always been cracked af tbh

[worthy void]

YO

nyxl speedrunnin

[willow tartan]

Kalios clutch DM wtf

[tawdry hamlet]

Remember last season when he killed a full health dps in a 1v1 on Anubis and it was funny as fuck

[cursive plover]

wow that was quick

[mortal abyss]

im boomed

[tawdry hamlet]

Ok now time for nyxl to let them full cap 🧢

[willow tartan]

Nyxl wants to make it close for the fans

[tawdry hamlet]

No genji no win

[hollow bough]

eqo looked fucking baked

[tawdry hamlet]

Imo he just looks pissed lmao

[cursive plover]

eqo looks like he doesn't want to be here

[tawdry hamlet]

Ugh

Philly is going to be mentally boomed as fuck

[worthy void]

nyxl is doing so good :flushed;

[mortal abyss]

how do we not follow up on alarm nading both support

[willow tartan]

no feather cam it's actually leave playing for nyxl

[balmy wolf]

yakpung kalios pop off

they wasted their ults they cant hold b

[tawdry hamlet]

Hotba mechanic diffed hard 😭

[hollow bough]

nanoblade denied\

[tawdry hamlet]

Kill time for philly was 9993939 years

[worthy void]

damn

rip philly

im supporting NYXL tho

i usually support the underdogs unless its the shock or shd

3-0 for NYXL

[willow tartan]

Can someone explain to me why fusion was throwing by playing genji

[remote siren]

Fusion suck lol

[hot onyx]

How the fuck

[balmy wolf]

mano/hotba are top30 but tanks diff

eqo is better on tracer

[hot onyx]

I am convinced that ChrisTfer was the sole coaching reason that Fusion did anything last season

[willow tartan]

Like I said bois, clean 3-0 sweep.

[mortal abyss]

what

[balmy wolf]

so whoever loses this match drops?

[remote siren]

WHy trust fusion to do anything?

all they know how to do is get exposed

[balmy wolf]

both are at knockout threshold

[remote siren]

now here's the plot

If nyxl wins this

they have a strong chance to make it knockouts

and nyxl can beat anyone as we have seen (besides dragons)

[hot onyx]

I am just tired

Fuck it

[balmy wolf]

my team is shock but im pretty new to watching league i got philly and new york in my blood but i am bandwagoining ny rn

not that franchise location means anything

same with hockey

[hot onyx]

Imma cryminsoo

[remote siren]

@balmy wolf you missed season 1

[tacit skiff]

even if Boston loses against the Reign today, they'd still be tied for highest map differential with Dallas

[remote siren]

That season is like a whole nother game now

[hollow bough]

sfshock because im less than 2 hours away from sf, and seoul dynasty bc im half korean (:

[remote siren]

Flex supports used to play bastion, sombra, roadhog.....

[hot onyx]

Hotba zen

Boombox hog

Jjonak hog

[remote siren]

Bdosin bastion

[hot onyx]

Elsa sombra

[remote siren]

rawkus bastion

[balmy wolf]

yeah am baby just gearing up for my first season of comp i watch owl to try to learn who is meta, team comp, tactics, etc

[tacit skiff]

sounds exactly like what the Valiant fans all say

[hot onyx]

Hydration lucio

[remote siren]

SInatraa main tank

[willow tartan]

Haksal brig

[remote siren]

Those were the days

[balmy wolf]

in low elo u never see any1 running these team comps or heroes

[tacit skiff]

yeah that's why it's low elo lmao

[remote siren]

They all pick what they can playy

And have fun playing

thats how you climb

[balmy wolf]

eqo/flora makes me wanna grind on tracer

[little tusk]

Whats up philly fans how are you guys suffering today

[balmy wolf]

my only dps exp is sombra but i loved crackhead mobility heroes i mercy main alt ball

[tacit skiff]

LMAO

[willow tartan]

Even if Philly reverse sweeps they need Hangzhou to not win a single map or fusion doesn't qualify

[hollow bough]

mfw roadhog/feedhardt tank

[willow tartan]

ergo Shanghai should throw a map

[hot onyx]

Incorrect

[mortal abyss]

no

[willow tartan]

incorrect?

they're -1

[hot onyx]

They need Hangzhou to not go to map 5

[mortal abyss]

^

[willow tartan]

o

well throw two maps then o7

[mortal abyss]

[tacit skiff]

Hangzhou is +1

[hot onyx]

And even if Hangzhou do get map 5 there is a tie breaker

[balmy wolf]

why doesn't kalios ever go on cam

[tacit skiff]

Kevster feels

[willow tartan]

chill he's been in the league for like a week

[balmy wolf]

kalios used to be league dropped to contender

[willow tartan]

hey man, 4-0 curse.
all I'm saying 😎

[willow tartan]

Is he even at the nyxl training facility?

Maybe he doesn't own a webcam at home lol

[hot onyx]

4-0 curse benefits Fusion if they face Dragons

[tacit skiff]

so many rookies this year popping off
and then there's whatever the hell the Valiant are doing

[hot onyx]

BIG if because i have lost al hope

[willow tartan]

TFW your biggest advantage as a team is a superstitious sports curse

anyway NYXL will choke so you have nothing to worry about

[mortal abyss]

alarm king

[hot onyx]

MFW when a team with Carpe Rascal Alarm Astro is going to lose to a bottom 3 apac team

[tacit skiff]

Washington v Glads decides if the Shock make it in the tournie right?

[willow tartan]

Yes

[hot onyx]

Not necessarily

[tacit skiff]

What needs to happen

[balmy wolf]

ppl constantly underrate mano hes really good like top 5 main tank good

[hot onyx]

Even if Washington lose 3-0 it goes to a tie breaker

Any other result and Shock are out

[balmy wolf]

@willow tartan i feels this. am washington capitals fan i dont think we'll ever see another stanley cup clutch even tho statistically ovechkin might be the best player since gretzsky

[willow tartan]

To get into the tourney either Washington needs to lose or Skewed needs to die from a heart attack

[tacit skiff]

So Washington just needs to win a map
I like these odds

SFWashed

So many teams were disappointments this year

[hot onyx]

If Glads lose 3-0 Glads are stil in

Unless Toronto beat Dallas

[willow tartan]

I would pay to see Sado MTD Fearless on the Reinhardt.

[hot onyx]

Which is more impossible than winning with NineK as your head coach

[willow tartan]

Sado rein is so chad

[mortal abyss]

OK CAN WE JUST ONE TRICK DOUBLE SHILED
IDC IF ITS BRAINDEAD

[willow tartan]

they'll lose to Shanghai in the double shield mirror

[worthy void]

would GOATS still dominate modern day comps if 2-2-2 role lock was removed

[willow tartan]

then again they'll also lose in the ball dive mirror

[mortal abyss]

yeah but

[hot onyx]

Hotba > Void

[mortal abyss]

yep

[willow tartan]

actually scratch that they'll just lose no matter what they play

[remote siren]

@worthy void sym goats

[mortal abyss]

we lose basically every mirror against shanghai

[hot onyx]

FunnyAstro > FJG

[mortal abyss]

apart from MAYBE rein rush

[willow tartan]

maybe they could play sym rein rush

[remote siren]

play sym instead of zerya

[hot onyx]

But everyone else >>>> everyone else

[tacit skiff]

Philly just needs to learn how to play Overwatch

[hot onyx]

So fuck

[worthy void]

theyre running genji

dive

[hot onyx]

Coach diffed

By Whynot

[worthy void]

genji

[tacit skiff]

I miss Crusty on the Uprising

Good ol days

[feral zodiac]

So fusion are bad now?

[worthy void]

Gladiators plss 3-0 justice

[willow tartan]

Always has been

[tacit skiff]

Fusions a good team
They just

Are having a bad season

Think Washington

but better

:)

[willow tartan]

Bad season

Like last season

[hot onyx]

Ok ball otp not playing ball

[willow tartan]

And the season before that

And the inagural season

[hot onyx]

Fusion might have a chance

[tacit skiff]

At least Philly was actually contending against the Shock last season

[feral zodiac]

Eh

Not really

[willow tartan]

Philly would beat shock right now

[mortal abyss]

it was like

[tacit skiff]

Anyone can beat Shock rn

[mortal abyss]

3-1 to shock throughout the season

[tacit skiff]

Paris and London nearly did

[willow tartan]

That's if either of them could qualify for a stage LUL

[feral zodiac]

Paris are good atm

[abstract nova]

ye

[tacit skiff]

Paris are really good
Most of the mid tier teams in NA really picked up at the JJ

[feral zodiac]

Ye

Then there's mayhem

[tacit skiff]

we don't talk about that team

[willow tartan]

Carpe fanning against an echo

GG

[tacit skiff]

What happened to the Spitfire after Season 1

[willow tartan]

Their roster

[worthy void]

Why is SF Shock struggling

[hot onyx]

Some fella called Guard benched Birdring

[mortal abyss]

NICE HOTBA

[tacit skiff]

Ans doesn't equal Striker's chadness

[willow tartan]

I don't know but I wanna say the fact that they're benching FDGOD for violet on the Lucio

[tacit skiff]

also SFShock are having in game communication issues
too many of super's shatters get blocked by Nero's ice wall

[worthy void]

how about their supports

[tacit skiff]

moth diff

[feral zodiac]

No junkbuck

[willow tartan]

NYXL choking as usual

[tacit skiff]

Valorant killed the Shock

[willow tartan]

1:30 push

let's see if they can pull it off

[worthy void]

sinatraaaaa

[abstract nova]

I mean...

[tacit skiff]

Nobody wants to play ow anyway

[abstract nova]

at least they didn't have to deal with what happened to him

[worthy void]

dam,n

that nade eat was huge

[tacit skiff]

they would've just got rid of him on the spot
just like Boston with Dreamkazper and Mouffin

[worthy void]

hotba's DM there was huge

[tacit skiff]

if I had a nickel for every pedo Boston signed on the team
Id have two nickels

[mortal abyss]

any reverse sweepers

[remote siren]

flora

[abstract nova]

two?

[remote siren]

emp

[hot onyx]

Flora held EMP for season 5

[worthy void]

who

[remote siren]

dumb ass

[willow tartan]

Flora holding EMP for next year

[worthy void]

Flora??

emp where??

[tacit skiff]

Dreamkazper and Mouffin

both got released immediately

[willow tartan]

at least it's not undead

[abstract nova]

oh, idk who mouffin is but ok

[remote siren]

nice emp

trash flax support

Or tank

one of the two

[tacit skiff]

Apparently Dreamkazper was planning on joining a t2 contenders team at one point like last year
dunno what happened with that

[willow tartan]

choke city bois

[worthy void]

nyxl win when??

[tacit skiff]

nyxl died when that grav missed Sombra

on Rialto

[worthy void]

lmfao

nenne chokes

6 ults btw

[willow tartan]

chokeverwatch

God I can't get over how cool the stadium is

It almost makes me want to start going outside again

[mortal abyss]

lol

[hot onyx]

Oh lord one of the few good players is being fielded on NYXL gg wp go next in Countdown Cup

[willow tartan]

Gwangboong needs more playtime

Flora is fucking dude

[mortal abyss]

hotba that fucking rock

[little tusk]

Honestly do they just hate shockwave or smth

[willow tartan]

Coaches hate shockwave apparently

He looked good last year and now since he's gonna be benched for the rest of the year he's not gonna get offers from other teams next season

[mortal abyss]

are we allergic to the payload

[hollow bough]

Kalios has been fucking crazywith how many ults he's been eating

[willow tartan]

no one contested

they could've breathed on the payload

flora diffing let's go

[hot onyx]

Fuck this team i am done

Whoever wins this tourney i will bandwagon

I will be a new 2020 Shock fan

Because i am tired of the pain

There is no miracle where they even make a map 5

They lose

@willow tartan i will join the Dragons fandom

I just want happiness

[hollow bough]

succumbing to the darkness of bandwagoning

[hot onyx]

4 years of pure pain

Can you blame me

[remote siren]

lol

lol

lol

[worthy void]

les goo nyxl

[remote siren]

hahahahahaha

Fusion fans tears so tasty

[willow tartan]

NYXL not choking PogU

[hot onyx]

Ok what is your problem

[remote siren]

needs less salt though

I might put that in a stew

in a pot

cook it

[balmy wolf]

@hot onyx u ok bud?

[willow tartan]

jjonak?...

[balmy wolf]

calling my team bad aged well

[willow tartan]

I mean they are

[remote siren]

JJ can make an argument

He is a really good flex support

Made a ton of plays

[balmy wolf]

atleast better than Fusion haha

[willow tartan]

Boston 3-0 tomorrow

[balmy wolf]

idc

Boston is good rn

nyxl not xD

[hot onyx]

Never better

[balmy wolf]

its alright i know the pain

youll recover

[willow tartan]

his nan is in tears rn kekw

[hot onyx]

This is likely the last season of owl before ow2 ruins the game entirely

Or the pro scene at least

[balmy wolf]

lol

no way

[tacit skiff]

who's ready for the Valiant's first win??

nobody

[balmy wolf]

revive u mean

[hot onyx]

Marbel

[willow tartan]

valiant could beat cdh

[hot onyx]

I can tolerate Fusion sucks meming

[balmy wolf]

yes

[hot onyx]

But for today

[willow tartan]

if cdh played as bad as philly

[hot onyx]

Please

[balmy wolf]

Stop talking?

[hot onyx]

Don’t meme about 5v5 being a good direction for overwatch

[balmy wolf]

no prob

im busy anyways

invading Luigis country rn

[willow tartan]

watch nyxl go to Hawaii again

[hot onyx]

If NYXL go to hawaii i will cry

[little tusk]

why is fusion so trash

they were gud for like a month

[hot onyx]

Bad coaching + not got their full roster

[willow tartan]

Don't worry bro fusion will pop off during the countdown cup when poko arrives in Korea and the players can combine at full strength like a power rangers mechazoid

[weak bolt]

I don't think Fusions DPS line up is enough to be a top tier currently.

[real gyro]

i dont understand how fusion fans think Poko and shock-wave will help this team, pure copium

[mortal abyss]

hotba hasnt been great

i mean

[weak bolt]

Rascal/EQO have pop off moments, but not enough at all times. Carpe still seems to be on a downwards curve, and who knows how Shockwave will play

[mortal abyss]

did you watch that last map

he wasnt pressuring gwangboong at all

and gets demeched before final fight

[little tusk]

shockwave unironically gonna outperform carpe

[weak bolt]

Fusions problem could well be are they willing to bench Carpe for Shockwave

[real gyro]

Shockwave is insane but he hasnt played in owl for almost a year

[weak bolt]

It's also hard to know if SW will actually be insane on a good team. Sometimes its easier to look amazing on a crap team because you can somewhat carry

[mortal abyss]

he was popping in contenders to keep warm

[willow tartan]

Shockwave would fuck

[little tusk]

idk man I dont sleep on eu dps

kevster onigod naga are all stars in my eyes

shockwave gon fuck

[balmy wolf]

molanran gigachad

sheeeesh

[hot onyx]

Good teams don’t lose to NYXL thrice

[willow tartan]

Man the CDH players are so Chad energy when they walk on stage

[wintry kraken]

(Loki joke) ||if we were in MCU, TVA would have grabbed the Valiant team long time ago :D||

[hot onyx]

She is sleeping and has yet to catch up on the match

[willow tartan]

Give her the news lightly.

She might suffer a heart attack knowing fusion lost to NYXL

[hot onyx]

Nah she’ll want to watch it

[wintry kraken]

at first i was thinking why are you talking about the player from Uprising 😄

[hot onyx]

If I tell her the score of each losing match she catches up on she’ll just know when we watch the match they win

[willow tartan]

fearless is a variant

[hot onyx]

Yo thanks for spoiler tagging that I still have yet to watch Loki

[willow tartan]

Pre 2020 fearless and post 2020 fearless are different universes bro

[wintry kraken]

it is not much of a spoiler, it is literally something you learn like 3 minutes in the show. but still, yeah, didn't want a conflict

[hot onyx]

Fair but still thanks

[willow tartan]

It's in the trailers ?

[wintry kraken]

no idea what was in trailer

[balmy wolf]

valiant throwing

[willow tartan]

Valiant might actually take a map

How much is Chengdu paying Valiant to throw?

[remote siren]

If valiant can somehow

go to 5 nyxl are in

I guess

But that's not ever gonna happen

So chengdu are in

[hot onyx]

More than NineK deserves to be paid

[mortal abyss]

bro that last route 66 map was such a throw by hotba

he hit one crazy rock

and that was it

[tacit skiff]

was Krystal completely separated from his team right there?

i knew the Valiant were bad, but jeez

[glacial wadi]

man leave is just so good

[tacit skiff]

who's ready for the full hold

[glacial wadi]

Na theyre about to lose A in first push smh

^

[tacit skiff]

doesn't mean anything, this is the Valiant we're talking about

[glacial wadi]

Im not saying theyre going to manage to cap b, its just teams always fall apart of A def for anubis

As much as I like the aesthetics of Anubis, I hate how stally the map is for point b, even volskaya is a lot harder to recontest b from spawn

chengdu barely seem to care after the win

[remote siren]

avril and achillios is an amazin duo

[willow tartan]

dude faraway is actually tired of being benched

[feral zodiac]

Valiant can't even win fights that literally no other team in the league except titans would lose

[remote siren]

@willow tartan Shangai might have a golden stage

And they have a realluy tough sos to boot

They faced the 2 of the top 4 teams in apac

and they prob sweep spark

[sullen berry]

you're just going to leave unter on read

[willow tartan]

like I said NA teams didn't stand a chance

[hot onyx]

Oh my word Valiant lost 3-0 again

[remote siren]

I mean Dallas has a chance

[hot onyx]

Who would’ve thought?

[remote siren]

Valiant is just bad

[willow tartan]

probs go 3-0 in knockouts too

[remote siren]

And they didnt ave an easy schedule like shock did in season 2

They're facing 3 out o the four top teams

[willow tartan]

Philly Seoul Valiant Hangzhou

[remote siren]

3 out of the 4 top teams

They faced

and valiant

[willow tartan]

Hawaii most likely will be Dragons and Hunters

unless nyxl beats hunters or Shanghai gets swept by spark

[remote siren]

Nyxl faces hanghai I believe

And seoul vs chengdu

[willow tartan]

1st seed fights 3rd seed

o

what

[remote siren]

Nyxl is the 4th seed

[willow tartan]

I thought 1 fights 3 and 2 fights 4

[remote siren]

1 4

2 3

[willow tartan]

Ok

kinda want Seoul to win but cdh have been looking like they have a decent grasp on the meta

Still believe in profits diffing though

[remote siren]

Profit was an mvp player back in season 1

he was the best hog in season 1

Some people say rawkus was the best hog but nah

[hot onyx]

I want Spark to win now so that if Fusion beat NYXL it wouldn’t have mattered

[remote siren]

Why so saltyyyy?

[willow tartan]

it wouldn't have mattered because philly would've lost in the knockouts anyway

[hot onyx]

Could not be more true but at least there would be the copium of “yeah it’s the Dragons y’know the best team in the league and they put up a decent fight against them without their full roster, wait until the Countdown Cup when Poko gets his visa and they finally get that win that we’ve been craving for so long”

No good team would lose to the NYXL twice

[tacit skiff]

These matches were really predictable tbh

The NA matches seem more interesting

[north relic]

you predded nyxl to win?

[hot onyx]

NYXL beating a team other than the Valiant is predictable?

Somebody is still buying preseason scrimbux

[willow tartan]

he supports Boston

No surprise he thinks nyxl would win

[sullen berry]

And then there's me

[willow tartan]

dragons 💪

[noble nexus]

I'm officially a philly doubter

they're hot garbage

I'm never giving them a win on my pickems again

fuck that team

[tacit skiff]

they*

[willow tartan]

no whoru or develop lol

wait molly is playing

[remote siren]

Play whoru genji

play dive

pls

pls

pls

[willow tartan]

I don't think whoru or develop are even there

Maybe still stuck in Korea

[remote siren]

Just sweep them and be done with it

[sullen berry]

OG Fate fan in the crowds

[tepid ibex]

Didn’t molly play first map yesterday as well?

[sullen berry]

[sullen berry]

no i don't think so

[barren quest]

Yes

[remote siren]

Fleta too good

[willow tartan]

fleta so hot

[severe tusk]

i love avrl so much

[willow tartan]

ok nvm

that's an idk feed

fast reset

[ebon aurora]

man I want to see Lip v Doha sombra matchup

[remote siren]

That would be art

[ebon aurora]

he's like the only person I can think of that could be close to Lip

[willow tartan]

limp emp vs throwha

[ebon aurora]

Doha has better EMPs but Lip just farms them faster

[remote siren]

Doha gets 5 in his

Lip gets 2

farms another in like 10 sec and gets 3

[ebon aurora]

yeah

Lip has more, Doha has more impactful ones

[tropic herald]

Hangzhou don’t have a killer drive

[ebon aurora]

how good is Shy's sombra?

wonder if he could try to match it

and then Architect on tracer

[sullen berry]

*dive?

[tropic herald]

They let Shanghai double support ult and just sit their after they let out even thought they have emp

[sullen berry]

or you mean the motivation drive?

[next mesa]

Drive

[tropic herald]

Drive

[sullen berry]

yeah drive is more accurate

wasn't sure how to describe it either

[tropic herald]

They feel sluggish compared to Shanghai

[willow tartan]

they need to take the initiative

playing reactively is bad

[sullen berry]

but that's how some of these teams engage in china

[tropic herald]

Like if they have emp and rally any fights, just take the fight in this mirror

[sullen berry]

AVRL on his podcast said it so for Guangzhou where some of the comps just won't work

if like their only win condition is to react faster