doesnt have moth
#esports-discussion
stuck radish
earnest leaf
And viol2t has been massively underperforming himself
viol2t looks like a top FS, but not the best like he did last season
north relic
do you think twilight is underperforming other than the junkertown tp
earnest leaf
Twilight fucks as usual
stuck radish
twilight has been one of the only consistent players on shock this season
north relic
there hasnt been a time where twilight was bad
stuck radish
yup
north relic
Most consistent shock players imo are nero/smurf/twilight
whats up with choi underperforming then
earnest leaf
glister as of late though has been doing pretty well
choi just has done some weird things
stuck radish
choi hasnt been consistent either
noble nexus
choi has had some weird maps
north relic
apparently choi is known to spam right click as zarya
feral zodiac
I think a few of the shock players are going to be burning out soon
north relic
choi does not have a good zarya anyways
how good is choi widow
noble nexus
cracked
north relic
knew it
feral zodiac
His zarya ain't even that bad
noble nexus
choi is the best at everything other than zarya
north relic
yea
noble nexus
yeah it's not that bad
north relic
does fury a good zarya?
north relic
because last year they destroyed philly in double bubble
earnest leaf
it's a case of his other heroes just being a decent chunk better
Like zarya was literally meta last season and shock won a stage with it
feral zodiac
It's the case of him being a monster on sig/d.va
north relic
whos the best zarya in the league thats an actual ot (decay)
earnest leaf
Funnily enough, stats lab says choi is the best
feral zodiac
Still in the league?
earnest leaf
but stats lab is wack
feral zodiac
Or ever
north relic
Still in the league?
league and then ever ig
earnest leaf
Hanbin has a pretty good zarya
north relic
yea
feral zodiac
League it's probably hanbin or fury imo
tropic herald
Power rankings on heroes that weren’t meta are not accurate
north relic
Maybe poko?
if fury benches poko i dont think you can count it
north relic
Trying to remember who has really played zarya
that isnt goats
feral zodiac
Yeah
earnest leaf
Power rankings on heroes that weren’t meta are not accurate
fuck you molanran is the best bastion
tropic herald
Zarya was played this season in May
north relic
zarya isnt played much other than goats
tropic herald
So if you want to know who it was then I think it’s probably gonna say HanBin
feral zodiac
Oh, doesn't piggy have a good zarya
north relic
hanbin destroys ladder on zar anyway
feral zodiac
Also, best ever in the league is probably sinatraa
Yes it was goats
But he fucked
north relic
maybe decay since he literally messed up the entire playoffs
noble nexus
decay has a great zarya
earnest leaf
Decay did get a 5 man pocket too tbf
noble nexus
but he was hard pocketed in the playoffs
tropic herald
It’s just crazy to me that Hanbin has been at 134 multiple weeks now and it’s very clear that Dallas performance is going down
feral zodiac
True, decay had a good zarya
earnest leaf
So he could just kinda hold W and win
tropic herald
I want to know how Dallas players don’t drop but every other teams players do
feral zodiac
134?
tropic herald
On power rankings
noble nexus
134 ibm watson score ththing
earnest leaf
because they win
feral zodiac
Oh
earnest leaf
win= your stats get turbo inflated
north relic
ibm is useless
earnest leaf
It's why shd/dallas players are consistently above everyone since they are the only two teams that win consistently
stuck radish
vancouver wins consistently
feral zodiac
Here is a question, who is the best genji the league has seen
earnest leaf
Haksal
feral zodiac
Eileen
stuck radish
sparkle is probably up there
feral zodiac
But
noble nexus
sparkle, haksal or whoru
earnest leaf
god I forgot whoru is back in the league
feral zodiac
What about super
earnest leaf
to rot on shd bench
tropic herald
Haksal Sparkle are the ones that think so much
north relic
god I forgot whoru is back in the league
wasnt he here last year or smth on nyxl
abstract nova
akm
north relic
would you guys put shu above izayaki
tropic herald
Pelican Assassin got good genjis but neither whipped them out
earnest leaf
abstract nova
akm plays the slow game
feral zodiac
would you guys put shu above izayaki
No
north relic
ibm puts shu at 3 and izayaki at 4
feral zodiac
In no universe is shu currently above izayaki
tropic herald
I’m pretty sure Justice and Dallas pay IBM out for these rankings
north relic
what about agilities, he isnt the best but a classic
noble nexus
shu is a fucking nutcase
abstract nova
all i can remember about izayaki is when he kept feeding on that one map against shock
stuck radish
has chat decided who has the better winston between fearless and smurf
noble nexus
fearless
abstract nova
oh wait that was not izayaki
noble nexus
didn't know there was a debate
feral zodiac
Guxue :(
abstract nova
im dumnb
north relic
last year would it be fearless or smurf
abstract nova
it was leejaegon
feral zodiac
Best winston is hadi
stuck radish
true ^
abstract nova
nah it's xqc
noble nexus
guxue has always had one of the best winstons but he's never had a team that's performed well
tropic herald
Mfw people mention that one map that LJG fed on
north relic
why is fdgod above alarm 
noble nexus
nah its jehong
tropic herald
feral zodiac
Feedjaegon
north relic
Mfw people mention that one map that LJG fed on
they forget to mention the leejaegon tower
feral zodiac
Best sigma the league has seen?
stuck radish
god tier player
north relic
Best sigma the league has seen?
hanbin imo
feral zodiac
I think choi
north relic
last year his sig was insane
stuck radish
Best sigma the league has seen?
void
feral zodiac
No cr0ng :(
abstract nova
piggy is new this year right
north relic
yep
feral zodiac
Yeah
stuck radish
choi is probably top 3 sigmas
north relic
Void Hanbin Piggy Gargoyle are my thoughts
would you say marvel is up there
earnest leaf
best sig is hard
stuck radish
but i would say void is better
tropic herald
Choi isn’t in prime anymore
earnest leaf
There is a chunk at the top that are really good so it's hard to single out the best
noble nexus
unfortunately not
trail perch
choi is probably top 3 sigmas
no fucking way
abstract nova
choi still good
trail perch
Choi washed
tropic herald
I think of his dva before his sig anyways
stuck radish
no fucking way
all time not recently
feral zodiac
Poor cr0ng
noble nexus
cr0ng has a great sig
tropic herald
I posted a sig list in here once lemme find it 
noble nexus
but his team is ass
trail perch
Same
abstract nova
what team is cr0ng on? I forgot
north relic
how come stats lab always just does glads
feral zodiac
Charge
abstract nova
ah ok
north relic
for me
earnest leaf
Top 5 sigs are choi/hanbin/void/gargoyle/piggy in no order
feral zodiac
Cr0ng
north relic
Top 5 sigs are choi/hanbin/void/gargoyle/piggy in no order
fury maybe
stuck radish
choi in a tier?
north relic
space kinda low
noble nexus
space sig has been decent this season
earnest leaf
cornrows space atleast A tier
tropic herald
This is old !
stuck radish
why choi not S
noble nexus
probably from like may melee
tropic herald
It’s from like May
feral zodiac
What the hell is choi doing in A tier
north relic
It’s from like May
no way its in may if gaebullssi is there
abstract nova
Where would Vestola be?
noble nexus
choi has looked a bit shaky on sig this season tbf
tropic herald
Literally the only thing I’d change here is swap Spark tanks for Space and Piggy
Otherwise I’m right
tropic herald
Choi is not the issue w Shock imo
feral zodiac
The issue w shock is up in the air
tropic herald
He’s not as good as he used to be but it’s not him
earnest leaf
mfs playing musical chairs
abstract nova
shock just feels confused rn
feral zodiac
No 1 knows what it is
tropic herald
Shock start the same 6 challenge
earnest leaf
even if it means perma benching viol2t
tropic herald
Impossible
feral zodiac
Bench ans, play viol2t widow
north relic
shock barely ever starts with same 6 even last year
noble nexus
bench viol2t play twilight and they win
earnest leaf
just run something like glister/nero/super/choi/twilight/fdgod
Swap super smurf as needed
noble nexus
^
earnest leaf
and ans ONLY FOR FUCKING WIDOW AND ASHE PLEASE
tropic herald
Swapping main tanks is not good for a team
north relic
WHERE TAIYO
stuck radish
shock needs to have that starting roster that other teams fear
abstract nova
bench viol2t play twilight and they win
people always say this stuff, bench x play x but it's not true
stuck radish
not "who will shock play this time"
earnest leaf
It's fine for shock since both smurf/super are at the top of their role for the heroes they play
noble nexus
people always say this stuff, bench x play x but it's not true
they benched viol2t for twilight and looked better tho
north relic
how does stats lab work
next mesa
I'd put Michelle below toyou
north relic
it just shows a blank square for me
next mesa
Cr0ng and bernar at B
tropic herald
I think it should go back to Smurf perma starts and super plays only rein
north relic
Cr0ng and bernar at B
cr0ng at a for sigma
stuck radish
like you look at dallas's starting roster as some random OWL team and you can confidently say "we are fucked"
earnest leaf
I think it should go back to Smurf perma starts and super plays only rein
be good with that too
next mesa
Space worse than punk????
stuck radish
for shock that isnt the case because its about who will they play this time
willow tartan
people always say this stuff, bench x play x but it's not true
bench viol2t lucio and play fdgod lucio they win
abstract nova
I think it should go back to Smurf perma starts and super plays only rein
but rein is good on many maps rn
earnest leaf
But mainly i think shock just needs to have a stable support line
tropic herald
Levy read messages after picture challenge
feral zodiac
Best bap in league?
tropic herald
Shu 
willow tartan
kaan o7
abstract nova
bench viol2t lucio and play fdgod lucio they win
but like, no, the problem is obviously way bigger
feral zodiac
Shu <:trollsmile:795708071024132128>
noble nexus
Shu bap 😩
willow tartan
yes but also play FDGOD on lucio
stuck radish
Best bap in league?
nero when he dupes bap
noble nexus
shu is the best player to ever touch this game fuck you if you think otherwise
north relic
hanbin has 1 second on winston last year
willow tartan
he had huge impact in that 1 second
feral zodiac
shu is the best player to ever touch this game fuck you if you think otherwise
Fuck me then
earnest leaf
shu very good player
tropic herald
But not normally
north relic
shu very good player
but not normally
earnest leaf
I hate you both
tacit skiff
what's wrong with OGE
earnest leaf
He's inconsistent
tropic herald
Boomed
abstract nova
crimzo looked very good vs shock
north relic
Boomed
feral zodiac
He is old
willow tartan
what happened to kariv is the real question
noble nexus
kariv is overrated
north relic
what happened to kariv is the real question
wasnt he fucking at 200 ping
at one point
willow tartan
i feel like kariv aged 50 years from playing this season
stuck radish
does anyone agree on the statement "Moth Washed"
feral zodiac
No
tacit skiff
moth isn't washed
north relic
moth is dirty
earnest leaf
moth still the best MS in the league
willow tartan
no
feral zodiac
Best rein is who
north relic
moth still the best MS in the league
eh
willow tartan
best rein is checkmate obviously
noble nexus
moth hasn't been looking too hot but it's a side effect of going from crusty to dpei
earnest leaf
best rein is probably still super or checkmate
north relic
best rein is checkmate obviously
↑
feral zodiac
What is the rein tier list this season
abstract nova
yes checkmate
tacit skiff
I need more myunbong love
stuck radish
best rein is hadi
feral zodiac
Why is checkmate worshipped on rein
abstract nova
checkmate sss everyone else F
noble nexus
Checkmate > super > hadi > everyone else
earnest leaf
because he fed his fucking ass off and it was funny
feral zodiac
O
stuck radish
Why is checkmate worshipped on rein
willow tartan
checkmate learned from daan how to play o7
tacit skiff
checkmate gives off bumper vibes
abstract nova
feeding is ok if you do it in a chad way
noble nexus
his team got boomed tho so he definitely feed in a chad way
willow tartan
for the summer showdown
feral zodiac
MTD
tacit skiff
Paris seems guaranteed to get a spot in the Summer Showdown
stuck radish
i have an idea to unboom mayhem
have them all smurf in gold for a bit
morale restored
abstract nova
Paris seems guaranteed to get a spot in the Summer Showdown
?
earnest leaf
3-1 is a free ticket into knockouts
abstract nova
oh yeah
willow tartan
tfw queueing placements in gold and match against an OWL team smurfing
tacit skiff
I'm proud of nearly every western team, apart from Vancouver and Florida, who have their own issues to deal with
north relic
I'm proud of nearly every western team, apart from Vancouver and Florida, who ha...
justice underperformed expectations
tacit skiff
Yeah, but at least they aren't as bad as to lose to Checkmate
north relic
calling fearless bad?
stuck radish
I'm proud of nearly every western team, apart from Vancouver and Florida, who ha...
london still hasnt won a game
tacit skiff
Fearless didn't lose
abstract nova
yes fearless is trash compared to checkmate
tacit skiff
London's improved
willow tartan
london spitfire will get their first win next stage
north relic
outlaws went from bottom 3 in preseason NA to top 3
stuck radish
i like how there are 3 teams who havent won a game and the season is like 3/4 done
earnest leaf
london can beat titans
tacit skiff
London has the potential to get their win
north relic
London has the potential to get their win
def
willow tartan
no way london loses to titans
abstract nova
london would definitely win against titans
north relic
no way london loses to titans
BREADSTICKS
tacit skiff
The Valiant are just heavily outclassed in their region. Maybe if they were in the West, they'd have a chance against the Titans.
abstract nova
I wonder how Valiant compares to London and Vancouver
willow tartan
valiant is a fair matchup against vancouver tbh
north relic
london is def the best out of the winless teams
tacit skiff
Being a Philly fan must suck atm
north relic
Being a Philly fan must suck atm
shock fans taste their first case of defeat in seasons
tacit skiff
and then they throw temper tantrums
feral zodiac
Checkmate is the best rein in the league, no questions asked
north relic
Checkmate is the best rein in the league, no questions asked
liked the video?
abstract nova
did Aspire get signed btw?
tacit skiff
at least us mid-bottom tier team lovers appreciate our victories
north relic
did Aspire get signed btw?
iirc yes
abstract nova
nice
north relic
at least us mid-bottom tier team lovers appreciate our victories
what team are you
tacit skiff
Boston, I'm not optimistic for this upcoming week
willow tartan
at least us mid-bottom tier team lovers appreciate our victories
shanghai gang o7
feral zodiac
liked the video?
👍
tacit skiff
I only believe they'd be able to win against the Reign, but I'm not optimistic after what happened against the Reign last time
abstract nova
Boston looking pretty good though
feral zodiac
appreciating victories is what we're all about
Because you went so long with 0
willow tartan
Because you went so long with 0
that's what makes it even better
feral zodiac
Just a poor man's dallas tbh
tacit skiff
I miss Inaugural Boston
#3 in the league Boston
north relic
Boston, I'm not optimistic for this upcoming week
boston go againist reign outlaws, possible 0-6
mayhem fans must be having a hard time
tacit skiff
Idk, I'm hoping for at least a map victory against Houston, and some sort of difficult match against the Reign, preferably 3-2 in either direction
abstract nova
Why don't you hope for wins
north relic
having a taste of hope in may and then underperforming
tacit skiff
Y'know, now that I think about it, I don't think Boston has faced the Shock this season
feral zodiac
They did didn't they
north relic
Idk, I'm hoping for at least a map victory against Houston, and some sort of dif...
there is around a 75% chance of making knockouts if they put up any fight
feral zodiac
Early on
north relic
They did didn't they
i dont think so
tacit skiff
It'd be interesting to see how the Shock will play after that very sloppy fight against London
I still can't believe the Spitfire almost gave the Shock a run for their money
north relic
They did didn't they
they havent, just checked
tacit skiff
Sparkr really made that much of a difference
feral zodiac
Damn
abstract nova
Shock could still make it, but it's very unlikely
north relic
there is almost no chance
abstract nova
yeah, atlanta would have to lose to london or something
tacit skiff
Shock went 2-2, with a no map differential
Boston has a better chance of getting in than the Shock.
north relic
if boston go 0-6 they are -1
abstract nova
oh yeah, looking at it, it basically seems impossible, even if a lot of unexpected results happen
abstract nova
I mean LA gladiators still have games and washington
tacit skiff
I believe Boston could be competitive with both matchups
Maybe the Reign will mess up the rematch
Washedington
north relic
justice next matches are glads london
abstract nova
hmm
tacit skiff
Glads 3-0
London 2-3
north relic
Glads 3-0
London 2-3
london wins or loses
tacit skiff
Genuinely a good chance Washington loses this London battle
north relic
i would say washington are likely to have a +1 map diff
but its also likely they do worse than shock
lets just assume they flop
abstract nova
I think London could maybe beat Mayhem
north relic
london mayhem and titans are guaranteed to miss out unless london somehows does some 3-0's
tacit skiff
I don't think they could beat the Mayhem, I know they could
north relic
justice atlanta is unlikely though
so lets rule justice, mayhem, london, and titans out
abstract nova
dragons might just go 12+
tacit skiff
Shock is basically out
abstract nova
yeah
tacit skiff
Paris is 100% in
north relic
they need 2 maps to tie shock
stuck radish
cant wait to see the next aftershock episode when they talk about the london game
north relic
and 3 to beat shock
tacit skiff
I think the Glads will get in
willow tartan
"what london game?" - shock
north relic
toronto is likely to be out
feral zodiac
Rule shock out
north relic
glads final games are toronto justice
feral zodiac
Wins
north relic
they have a 0 differential
abstract nova
what is torontos other game
north relic
glads are guaranteed lets say
tacit skiff
Dallas
abstract nova
oh damn
willow tartan
so who do you think makes the tournament?
abstract nova
Toronto could maybe beat glads
willow tartan
im thinking dragons seoul in eastern conference
abstract nova
maybe Aspire will pop off again
north relic
which means glads,dallas,boston,reign,houston, and paris make it to knockouts
thats the most likely outcome without upsets
tropic herald
Dragons and Seoul/Philly depends which gets 4 seed
north relic
Dragons and Seoul/Philly depends which gets 4 seed
lemme do meth
tacit skiff
Why don't the standings update on the OWL app
willow tartan
they update weekly
north relic
philly has nyxl and chengdu
abstract nova
Has valiant won a map?
north relic
lets assume dragons get #1 seed
willow tartan
not this stage
raw ermine
twice
raw ermine
once in there first match against chengdu
willow tartan
its 1 per stage
raw ermine
once against philly in the JJ
abstract nova
oh ok lol
willow tartan
meaning this stage they should get 1 win against chengdu
tacit skiff
That one map cost Philly so much
north relic
chengdu are +1 and have philly and valiant, how likely are they to make it?
north relic
lets say they get a +1 differential from it
north relic
chengdu have one less than seoul
if they 3-0 valiant and 2-3 philly
and if philly does 3-2
and lets say they 3-1 nyxl
chengdu gets 4th seed
tacit skiff
are we having playoffs this season?
north relic
and seoul and philly both have +3
north relic
are we having playoffs this season?
yes
north relic
we are forgetting spark though
willow tartan
spark fights shanghai
tacit skiff
Nada, there's just nothing after the Countdown Cup on the app
north relic
alr lets rule out spark
willow tartan
Nada, there's just nothing after the Countdown Cup on the app
yes we will have
north relic
spark have 0 diff
willow tartan
of course we will have playoffs
north relic
spark needs to 3-0 nyxl and 2-3 dragons to tiebreak chengdu
tacit skiff
Imagine if Boston causes an upset and goes 4-0
willow tartan
4-0 teams never qualify anyway
tacit skiff
bring back the coinflip from season 1
willow tartan
they do a tiebreaking match?
tacit skiff
that's how
north relic
Tournament Cycle Tiebreakers
Map Differential in qualifying matches
Head-to-Head record in qualifying matches
Strength of schedule evaluated by adding opponents’ league points in qualifying matches
Strength of schedule evaluated by adding opponents’ map differentials in qualifying matches
If a tie between two or more teams remains, the tiebreakers in the section below will be applied
tropic herald
It just does math for you
north relic
yea
but we should survey preds to have the most accurate prediction
so reign london?
tacit skiff
I have faith from here on out, London is going to be a team to look out for
Possible upsets incoming
I can't believe Vancouver took a map from Boston but Florida just stood there and took the beating
and let a turret 4k them
north relic
https://www.owlstandings.com/JK9Hgeh this is what i think happens
north relic
upsets change seeds
tacit skiff
And Florida was looking actually good at the beginning of this season, too
north relic
crazy to think shock are still +13
tacit skiff
Wait even Houston still hasn't fought Boston either
north relic
london beats justice is a warm take
tacit skiff
Why have so many teams not fought each other 15 weeks in?
north relic
we have around the same preds except you have some upsets
tacit skiff
Of course, OWL wouldn't be a thing without upsets
north relic
Why have so many teams not fought each other 15 weeks in?
either way we have the same teams qualifying
tacit skiff
I felt like if London and Vancouver had fought each other much sooner, things could've turned out much different for both team's morales
north relic
I felt like if London and Vancouver had fought each other much sooner, things co...
titans feel even worse
tacit skiff
Well, they should
Valiant and Titans need something
New management, and time to train together as a team
stuck radish
are vancouver players just doomed forever or do they have potential
tacit skiff
I've always wondered if the Titans or Valiant have ever won a game of scrims against another team
Course, we barely hear about scrim matches between teams anyways
Last time I heard about OWL scrimming was Super practicing Genji for the Boston game last season
tawdry hamlet
I mean I would feel bad if the players looked like they cared at all, and if they didn't willingly sign on the dotted line knowing what they were getting into
willow tartan
I mean I would feel bad if the players looked like they cared at all, and if the...
theyre still getting at least 50,000 USD a year
so
willow tartan
???
noble nexus
well I think it's rumoured anyways
willow tartan
50k is league minimum
tawdry hamlet
The only reason I'd feel bad for them is if the underpaid rumors are real 
willow tartan
no way valiant players would willingly sign on a shitty OWL team and be underpaid
like theyd not do that
noble nexus
free housing plus a chance at owl plus like the few thousand a month they're getting paid
not that bad
willow tartan
i dont buy it
tawdry hamlet
Would you really put it past immortals to exchange currency at the lowest rate and then deduct all the fees from the salary itself and pay the leftover if they were perfectly content selling out the career of 6 players for a slight decrease in operating cost
But anyway it was updated to include that more stuff is paid for than other orgs and something something Chinese law loopholes 
willow tartan
i dont see why a player like showcheng would willingly enter into something like this
career suicide
tawdry hamlet
6krmb plus room and board for a fresh out of school person doesn't sound so bad to play a game. Probably didn't realize it was going to be that bad
At least it isn't that bad for that age in china based on other commenters but idk 
north relic
Super taking break from streaming ?
tawdry hamlet
Tbf both 800 and Thor were supposed to be on that roster
So they likely had far higher hopes
And then when those two didn't make it and they had to get silver3 
north relic
Only a few days though
next mesa
It's pretty much confirmed
next mesa
Mostly because most players on valiant are wealthy anyway (family) so they could not care less
About less money
earnest leaf
You'd be surprised about people's willingness to cash in an easy paycheck to play on a shit team
sullen berry
its never happened
tiebreaker matches aren't broadcasted - monte explains this well what happened during stage 1 which was a mess in 2019
sullen berry
Throwback Tuesday https://youtu.be/loZqE6DC1MA before peak become a coach for Valorant
tropic herald
If Titans actually get Iced and Lukemino they might be competitive
Cant tell if I’m being trolled though
willow tartan
changsik might not look as shit if he didn't have roolf and fire
gusty rampart
Why is super on break
raw ermine
cause he's been working hard and needs a break
tawdry hamlet
Iced is aruably one of the top 4 na t2 hitscans imo and lukemino is probably the best flex support after ultraviolet
next mesa
yes
tawdry hamlet
So good pickups but I hope they aren't bait so bad
next mesa
titans dont deserve them doe
tawdry hamlet
Give me na representation 😭
I could genuinely see if they pick up na players doing like valiant last year and overperforming hard on a mediocre roster
Frd gives McGravy vibes of being dependable but not very good
Then again that valiant had shax ksp ksf in a tracer ashe meta so I can see why they performed loll
Lowkey this is going to sound dumb, but halo from Boston last year would be a goated lucio for rush metas with titans
His lucio unironically fucks 
Like in this series halo was out of his mind on lucio
https://youtu.be/sSh4bQWgDMk
Shame he never performed like that on Boston
next mesa
to be fair he was up against better competition on boston
probably had worse teammates
Halo was like okay
Improved
tawdry hamlet
He improved a lot in contenders but Maryville as a whole never fields a good enough roster to push far in actual contenders
Well they did play nos dynasty dps line that's not bad
tawdry hamlet
Northwood played nos dynasty I am having a stroke. I meant papayapete57 who was just iced on an alt iirc
tawdry hamlet
They have their own league because the schools themselves typically aren't talented enough to get through open division or qualifiers
As eSports are still new to most schools
Hence why the three schools with contenders players are the top 3 almost every single month
next mesa
didnt maryville get to contenders
tawdry hamlet
Yes
sullen berry
supple patrol
overwatch contenders is over?
earnest leaf
my guess is they are going to a new t2 team
I hope i'm wrong
but I doubt the team that kept fucking roolf is trying a mid season rebuild
raw ermine
yo open the mikeyy tweet I am obsessed with the gif, the bread isn't just a picture
earnest leaf
I feel like it's a bait though
No way they basically say what team their joining
It's why i'm guessing their making a stacked t2 roster
noble nexus
Idk I just want Vancouver to get rid of Roolf and Fire
earnest leaf
I want changsik and roolf gone first
because fire has the MS curse
if your team is bad
good chance you look bad as well no matter what
like put moth on titans, he would look tragic
noble nexus
Pretty sure he was benched by masaa last season too wasn’t he?
earnest leaf
tbf masaa is actually good
tacit skiff
I bet oge is gonna be done with owl after this season
every team he's been on just hasn't performed all that well
noble nexus
I reckon Vancouver can get a better MS tho
earnest leaf
Definetly
noble nexus
Oge is cursed
earnest leaf
Oge just can't play consistent
tawdry hamlet
Fire isn't great but carcar set a low bar, and yeah fire and Kodak were pretty much benched permanently last season
noble nexus
Idk I just doubt Fire can ever be good enough for them
There are definitely better options
tawdry hamlet
For sure that's what is disappointing even with the absolute best coaching the skill ceiling of their team limits them to bottom 4
noble nexus
Teru is alright tbh
Frd too
Linkzr has his good games every now and again
Not sure I could place much hope in anyone else tho
stuck radish
ive never seen a team go from being top 2 teams in a sport then being bottom 2 the next seasons
tawdry hamlet
ive never seen a team go from being top 2 teams in a sport then being bottom 2 t...
The colts went from playoffs every year for like ten years to a 2-14 season the year after Peyton Manning Left 
stuck radish
damn
tawdry hamlet
Cleveland was in finals like 4 years straight then lebron and kyrie left and their bottom 3 in the NBA 😭 
earnest leaf
lofty shale
I haven't really been able to watch apac games this season, how has fits been on seoul dynasty? He really popped off during playoffs but has he been good this season?
forest raven
ProFits very good duo @lofty shale
sullen berry
I haven't really been able to watch apac games this season, how has fits been on...
He's much improved from the Charge matchup, I've seen Fits singlehandedly destroy the valiant and spark at one point
feral zodiac
ive never seen a team go from being top 2 teams in a sport then being bottom 2 t...
Nottingham forest did it once in football
devout path
I haven't really been able to watch apac games this season, how has fits been on...
Literally insane like always
Fits profit duo was literally the only reason Seoul did anything the last 2 stages
devout path
Twitter
forest raven
I feel bad for whoever the Valiant smm is
devout path
Obviously hates the valiant like everyone else
forest raven
Very based
north relic
Showchengs only decent hero is zarya, makes sense
devout path
Showcheng was fairly decent at zarya tho
hot onyx
Hot take: Fire could be good with decent coaching
raw ermine
north relic
Hot take: Fire could be good with decent coaching
The only reason that’s a hot take is because it’s fire
sullen berry
The thing with that is Joobi exists in the world of top supports
And according to all previous analysis before the season began, that wasn't going to be improved upon with just coaching
But hindsight really is 50/50 with Outlaws, should have trusted in both Harsha and Junkbuck together
Now Joobi is like a weapon where Jake is just sub/filler for other strategies
next mesa
A very cold and reasonable cake
Fits has been insane
There's been times where gesture and the rest of seoul wants to throw the game and then fits is like "no" and pumps out 40k damage
sullen berry
#esports-discussion message Well I still believed this would be true before I saw how the coaching would dramatically shift
Past 3 seasons of Seoul coaching was inconsistent to say the least
At its best I'm not really sure if it was just the roster playing to their strengths individually
next mesa
At its best was S3 playoffs when they figured out the meta before everyone else
Everyone was playing sombra reaper dive
At its worse is when they tried to play double bubble into double shield holy shit that did NOT work
hot onyx
Tell that to Rio
little tusk
At its worse is when they tried to play double bubble into double shield holy sh...
Is double bubble a bad comp against double shield?
I thought monkey was a gud counter for double shield
mortal abyss
Double bubble into double shield can work well but it depends on map
tropic herald
The general rule I thought for Zarya is one shield she’s fine two shields is a lil yikes, unless it’s like a very specific map I don’t think so
tawdry hamlet
https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1412651696698839040
😭 😭 😭
devout path
would cockwave better than carpe/rascal?
In tracer hitscan meta 100%
Carpe is a top tier tracer
Rascal not so much
noble nexus
Rascal's best hero this season has probably been tracer towards the beginning lol
trail perch
they've been running mostly cree tracer
so then i would def prefer shockwave cree carpe tracer
than rascal or eqo cree
or rascal or eqo tracer
devout path
Carpe is def the best tracer on the team no contest
trail perch
and hopefully shockwave>EQO and carpe on cree
queen carbon
does anyone know how to make my scoped in sens as ana the same as not scope in?
plush grail
does anyone know how to make my scoped in sens as ana the same as not scope in?
try asking in #overwatch or #overwatch-serious
queen carbon
thanks!
willow tartan
shockwave/carpe duo
devout path
shockwave/carpe duo
AKA cockwave
tawdry hamlet
and hopefully shockwave>EQO and carpe on cree
Idk if he'll be better cree than carpe because I have seen him pop off on titans but carpe we have seen dominate hitscan for a long long time but surely he'll be far above eqo rascal cree which is ideal
I have high hopes that this doesn't turn into a yaki bqb situation where one player not having tracer fucks the whole comp. Since it always feels like if philly could clone carpe they'd be amazing but they either lack a tracer or lack a cree ashe
Like last year Heesu played flickscan over carpe because carpe had the better tracer but carpe also had the better cree ashe widow loll
trail perch
Can someone tell me why mayhem went back to bqb sombra yaki reaper
when last year they figured out yaki sombra bqb reaper was just better
balmy wolf
have you seen yakis sombra?
little tusk
honestly
euro dps has been popping lately
so I have high hopes for shockwave either way
tawdry hamlet
Euro in general has finally been performing lately
devout path
True
Finally getting actually getting actually good players out of there
Kaan dridro stacked
Naga rlly good
Vestola rlly good too
SparkR good
Kaan is actually a top 3 fs rn
mortal abyss
Top 3?
tawdry hamlet
Eu got a ton of shit but it isn't like they don't have actual dps talent Kai, Eqo, Shax, and Kevster ar all eu. they've just never been taken seriously because their contenders scene is so ass and there's only two euro teams so making your way up is difficult. Like at one point think about this, the best contenders team in the whole region was a map or two away from losing to avoided
devout path
Top 3 in the league
tawdry hamlet
I also think eu gets memed on because their main supports and main tanks have always been ass
tepid ibex
Damn
tawdry hamlet
Main tanks have always been rein one tricks besides Benbest who also played orisa
tepid ibex
My izayaki copium hurting right rn
devout path
I also think eu gets memed on because their main supports and main tanks have al...
Main tanks still
Dridro is rlly good
And fdgod
Or did you mean flex support
noble nexus
I mean before fdgod eu had kellex and like masaa
tawdry hamlet
Dridro barely stands out for me, he's just good enough to support the team imo
noble nexus
Dridro is alright he definitely doesn’t stand out
Or he does stand out for EU standards of MS
tawdry hamlet
Dridro feels far more like a roleplayer in the way they'd probably perform the same if they signed most top eu contenders main supports
next mesa
Is double bubble a bad comp against double shield?
Everytime marve1 bubbled gesture he got insta killed
With orisa sigma Ashe and bap shooting you that 200hp bubble is literally thin paper
raw ermine
hot onyx
I also think eu gets memed on because their main supports and main tanks have al...
Main support?
mortal abyss
Fdgod and astro
raw ermine
MS is one of the areas in OW where koreans don't 10000% dominate
they have LJG, tobi, and then all the others are below the likes of moth, astro, FD, and more NA
tawdry hamlet
Eu has lucio players who are B tier on other supports
Take away lucio from fdgod masaa astro and you just have like A tier at best supports.
But that do be the eu rush obsession moment
raw ermine
I feel like a similar argument could be made for rein, and EU MT's
tawdry hamlet
Yes lol
But then again moth is benched for skewed brig and if you take away lucio he's technically just a mercy player so I guess flexibility isn't nearly as important for main support I guess idk
Is it fair to blame a lot of the eu hate on London? Because people see hurricane be the best tier 2 team in eu for a year and then they can't even win like more than 2 maps despite receiving extra player to help the roster in shax . I think it spawned the argument that if Hurricane > eu contenders and hurricane < every other team in the league then eu must be bad
devout path
I think Eu hate was before that even happened too
balmy wolf
oh my
tawdry hamlet
Eu hate can also be categorized by the lack of eu rep outside of London and Paris who were barely even eu before this season
I think people just think it's the weaker region. Which outside of rush is probably true
earnest leaf
eu bad
plush grail
EU gets hated on by NA because NA cant hate on asia because they're way better
earnest leaf
I do find it funny that the dominant eu contenders team that got brought up to owl flopped super fucking hard
but the mismatch set of eu players is 10x better
plush grail
I do find it funny that the dominant eu contenders team that got brought up to o...
im willing to bet london had the wrong mindset, they assumed they were gonna stomp
and paris kinda had a ''we have to prove ourselves'' mentality
earnest leaf
no I just think london is bad
Like they never got close to winning (except nearly beating shock 
)
tawdry hamlet
Eu is full of one trick based teams too which is so weird, like teams were basing their comps around Nico mei or yznsa pharah or ball gdh ball instead of playing a meta comp
And then the single team that runs meta just dogs on them all year
Making every other player on those teams look like shit
Like the second falcons started playing yznsa pharah they shit the bed lmao
earnest leaf
One thing I would really like to is AT fully put into owl
Not 4 players and 2 others
the full roster as is
just to see how they would do
tawdry hamlet
Nico is a mei one trick, outside of mei he underperforms on every hero but the stonks of being in owl inflates his skill
plush grail
onigod seems like a amazing person to be friends with
earnest leaf
I will say
tawdry hamlet
Glad Onigod can finally aim now that he isn't benching decay on 200 ping
earnest leaf
the nicest players 9/10 are main supports
earnest leaf
find me a single toxic Ms in owl
plush grail
bdosin
noble nexus
Viol2t
earnest leaf
I said in owl smh
noble nexus
Can’t tell me he isn’t a MS anymore
noble nexus
Lmfao
tawdry hamlet
😭
trail perch
Lucio, Mercy, brig he does it all
earnest leaf
unironically i'm surprised he hasn't played tank yet
But tank would be the hardest role for him to flex in
noble nexus
He’ll bench Choi for zarya next
plush grail
tbh all main supports are either mediocre and background characters or super star playmakes, no inbetween
trail perch
He’ll bench Choi for zarya next
kARIVVV
tawdry hamlet
Violet has hit 4700 on all three roles
trail perch
KARIV ZARYAA
plush grail
choi
plush grail
the man with the unbreakeable mental
earnest leaf
I think choi has been subbed out for less than maps in the last 2 seasons
trail perch
I want to see more mirror zarya
earnest leaf
no plz
trail perch
mirror god zarya
plush grail
he's been the only off-tank on the shock for like 1,5 years now, almost 2
earnest leaf
I hate people getting subbed in for zarya only
tawdry hamlet
When we getting yaki zarya
earnest leaf
Because they either deadlift or omega throw
tawdry hamlet
We did get to see gargoyle rein
earnest leaf
hot take
trail perch
I want to see GodsB zarya again
earnest leaf
decay zarya overrated
plush grail
I HATE U ALL
trail perch
Please
plush grail
STOP OVERRATING DECAY
earnest leaf
Man got a 5 man pocket at all times and stomped over shitter teams
trail perch
Almost stomped shock
tawdry hamlet
It was overrated when zarya was good, but now that she isn't he's probably the same as every other zarya
earnest leaf
decay is why washington lost to shock actually
trail perch
Are those shitter teams?
trail perch
decay is why washington lost to shock actually
??????
earnest leaf
all three of those teams were half decent
paris peaked at summer showdown and that's it
Also decay waltzed out in front of shock, got hooked and died last fight
noble nexus
Decay had a 5 man pocket
earnest leaf
on 1/1 99-99 koth
noble nexus
He’s 100% overrated
trail perch
Also decay waltzed out in front of shock, got hooked and died last fight
omg one fight???
earnest leaf
decay fanboy malding 
trail perch
YES
tawdry hamlet
Decay was good on the zarya obviously but in a matchup of the same comp I doubt he's carry as hard
earnest leaf
Decay is a good zarya, but people drastically overrate it
plush grail
@trail perchplease cry more
noble nexus
He did lose them that last fight tbf
earnest leaf
But decay is the probably the most overrated player in the league
trail perch
YEAH AND HE WON THEM LIKE 6 MATCHES
trail perch
But decay is the probably the most overrated player in the league
WTF IS WRONG WITH U
noble nexus
And lost them the most important one
plush grail
But decay is the probably the most overrated player in the league
FACTS
noble nexus
Lol
trail perch
HES THE BEST DPS IN THE LEAGUE
earnest leaf
man had a handful of good series and people rate him S tier on everything
trail perch
AND NO ONE CAN CHANGE MY MIND
plush grail
HES THE BEST DPS IN THE LEAGUE
not even sure if ur joking rn
earnest leaf
man got hard sym gapped by edison
tawdry hamlet
Realistically decay hasn't had a standout performance since the Widowmaker Rialto and the playoff series.
trail perch
Reaper against florida
In the JJ
Made his team look alive
Just being there makes his team play better
Massive in the coms
playing with a super inspiring player
Makes u play better
earnest leaf
Decay had a few standout series where he looked incredibly flashy
trail perch
https://tenor.com/view/copium-daft-punk-electroma-gif-21232550
STFU PARIS FAN
earnest leaf
And plat chat desk/casters immediatly thought he was some god tier dps player that was better than everyone
trail perch
Ill slap ur ass in the knockouts
plush grail
STFU PARIS FAN
BRUH dont mention the fact that im a paris fan, we 3-0'd decay's team lmaooooooooo
noble nexus
Send thoughts and prayers
earnest leaf
when in reality he has a good tracer and the rest of his heroes are nothing special
noble nexus
🙏
trail perch
BRUH dont mention the fact that im a paris fan, we 3-0'd decay's team lmaooooooo...
when...
plush grail
NICE TOP TIER PLAYER GETTING DIFFED BY NAGA AND ONIGOD
tawdry hamlet
He is flashy, I'm sure if he had a more reserved play style like ans or jerry he'd probably be more effective but he goes to the playmaking plays often
trail perch
THAT WAS JERRY
plush grail
NOT EVEN GOOD ENOUGH TO GET PLAY TIME
trail perch
UR WRONG
earnest leaf
also fuck it another hot take
trail perch
DECAY IS THE BEST
earnest leaf
mag has been the most overrated player to come into the league from contenders
trail perch
mag has been the most overrated player to come into the league from contenders
True
Honestly
earnest leaf
man is a monkey otp
trail perch
I blame MAG for all of WJ losses
plush grail
mag has been the most overrated player to come into the league from contenders
mag most overrated, most of paris underrated as FUCK
tawdry hamlet
I just think outside of tracer decay is just the same tier as Jerry or any other 
if decay could consistently perform people would stop calling him overrated but he goes nuts and then the next week gets gapped by a random
tawdry hamlet
His cree looked worse than Jerry's if I'm being entirely honest
plush grail
@trail perch ur spanish right
trail perch
yeah
tawdry hamlet
Jerry underrated Lowkey because everyone just assumes he's not as good as decay it's his fault we lose 😭
trail perch
o si
plush grail
are u just salty cause u lost in the world cup
tawdry hamlet
Jerry and myunbong deserved better than s3 Boston but now myunbong mediocre af idk what happened lmao
plush grail
Jerry and myunbong deserved better than s3 Boston <:ded:473460231913996288> but ...
kaan absorbed him
noble nexus
Nah kaan absorbed Viol2t
tawdry hamlet
We just figured out the secret to Kaan he sapped myunbong and violet of their powers this year
plush grail
how does it feel knowing that ur national team sucks and ur fav player is overrated as fuck
trail perch
FUCK ITALY
noble nexus
Based Luigi holy shit
trail perch
how does it feel knowing that ur national team sucks and ur fav player is overra...
fuck off
We made it to semis
thats all that matters
devout path
Put Viol2t on fdps
plush grail
We made it to semis
2020 washington be like
plush grail
WAIT NO
plush grail
THEY DIDN'T EVEN MAKE THE SEMIS
trail perch
YES
devout path
We just figured out the secret to Kaan he sapped myunbong and violet of their po...
Myunbong still good wym
tawdry hamlet
I think tbh if you're a superstar like popular player you'll always be overrated, like look at super, everyone still goes on and on about how he's the best rein but the gap nowadays is probably not that big at all compared to other top reins I think.
plush grail
GOD I LOVE THIS, PARIS IS ACTUALLY GOOD AND NOW I CAN SHITTALK PEOPLE
tawdry hamlet
Also hot take profit gets overrated to the moon quite often
trail perch
WRONG
noble nexus
Nah profit has been great this season tbh