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If orgs are paying the team above 1.6m, they have to pay that same amount that's over into a tax of sorts that is then distributed amongst the rest of the teams
So any money they're paying over the 1.6m soft cap, they essentially have to pay twice
Which gets to a point where if you pay 1 dollar to a player, you have to pay 1 dollar to the league
Yeah
And they don’t do that?
They're doing that, I believe the problem is that this system exists without a player union to represent the best interests of the players
Ok so let’s say super makes 2 mil then shock have to pay 400k to the league?
Yes
It's not for one player, the 1.6m cap is for the entire team
its not the leagues job to make a player union is it
thats the players to do smthn abt it
Fuck no
But what a player union mean? I don’t get that part
Unions should be wholly separated from the organisation they interact with
The problem is they may have banned it or something similar to that
That or the people who play esports for a career don't really care
No
super will leave if shock dont get a 3peat
if they do he's gonna stay until they lose
I doubt it
You think so?
Soft salary cap in overwatch league means any team that makes 1.6 million or above gets their winnings equally distributed to the rest of the teams. The players aren't unionized, so it may violate an antitrust act.
People in support of a soft salary cap argue that sports team owners dont pay players out of their own bank accounts, and that the income brought in is distributed to players. They believe salary caps make sure the sport can't be dominated by a small number of teams that have nationwide fanbases and lots of star players. Without the cap, it allows a small number of teams to monopolize the sport.
People against a soft salary cap argue that they are never about equity, and it's a lie by owners to trick fans to pocket more money and control the amount they pay players. They believe salary caps are always a way to keep salaries low and enforce a check on owner spending in order for owners to maximize profits for themselves. Without a salary cap, players will be traded at fair market value, and a team wouldnt actually be able to sign top talent because too many top players would eat into profits. Due to contracts and revenue sharing, which is independent of salary caps, there would be more money to go around
thats the best I can explain
So football doesn’t have that and that’s why players are getting transferred for 220mil euros, I’m talking about the football you play with ur feet ofc
but football is a way bigger sport than overwatch
like no one has enough money to monopolise football
im not sure what european leagues are like but in america there are soft salary caps for all sports. Some sports allow to have a few players that are separate from the salary cap
No matter how big the sport is, at least in america, the sports have salary caps because it keeps teams more competitive, specifically about the players they decide to draft. salary caps may be more difficult to manage in a smaller sports organization like OWL
Just look up the salaries of the best paid sports players, the highest of them are all football players
makes sense given that football is THE biggest sport on the planet
uhh am i in the wrong channel?
Yeah, brings the most viewers, so gets the most money flow
ah ok ty
We're still talking about overwatch league news
Ye 3 of the best paid athletes are football players
i thought michael jordan and tiger woods were the most paid
wasn't he paid like 1.8 billion in total?
jordan
Best is McGregor then messi then ronaldo and I think neymar on 7
Maybe that's for a year but theres no way michael jordan made less than that
tiger woods was paid 1.7 billion, michael jordan 1.85 billion, and arnold palmer 1.4 billion lol
golf and basketball respectively
That’s one year
i wonder who the highest paid esports player is
That’s without all the advertisements he’s in
I think it was Sinatraa
too bad all the contracts are private
apparently its a dota 2 player
oh yeah
gotchaaa
no idea
I had no idea Dota 2 had such a prolific esports scene
Im looking at players who won the most and 80% of them are dota 2
Surprised league isn’t there then, isn’t that the biggest scene?
insane
Owl can’t even dream of getting a 40mil price pool
40 mil prize pool is crazy
cant imagine being able to throw around that kind of cash for esports lol
i didnt know dota 2/lol was that popular, i know its popular but not to that magnitude
The T1 prize pool is so big because it's increased by cosmetic sales in the game itself
Tbh the football scene is getting ruined by money, I just hope that isn’t going to be the case for any other major sport/esports
could argue that with every sport
Have you seen some of the shitty refereeing done against teams in basketball that China doesn't like?
There’s 2 big clubs in Europe rn which are owned by sjeiks meaning they can basically sign any player they want cause they have all the money needed
unfortunate
Neither have ever won the champions league yet, the biggest tournament, but it’ll happen soon with all the players they’re attracting
Maybe salary caps would be utilized better in european leagues if they aren't already
1 billion euro contract when
I’m pretty sure it isn’t when the best paid player makes 130mil a season from his contract
There's always going to be issues of corruption between salary caps and owners/players, it's unfortunate with how much money gets thrown around
we've even seen this in overwatch league with speculations on the valiant where members were getting paid a few dollars/hour basically (speculation, nothing set in stone to back that up)
important to know this is a rumor from what i know
Charge and spitfire really do play like they have 5 players on the team
While Titans looks like they have 2 players who are trying while Valiant lookingfl for their first map win since Fusion
on the bright side it means they can play 5v6 just as good as 6v6
can i ask what version do owl play on?
thought it was latest rn?
they had the 250 mech dmg
so makes sense they would be on latest
the one before the hitscan nerfs
Football not having salary caps is the reason so many big teams are having financial trouble right now
Some players are being paid a tenth of the clubs yearly earnings
so in the long term, to avoid drowning their own parent orgs in debt, a soft salary cap would be nice
a shame it didn't involve a player union t make sure it was fine by all the players involved, not just for the org's benefit or to OWL's benefit with their self mandated luxury tax
it's a good thing I have one blocked to tell which one is trying their hard to be cringe and which one lives and breathes it
luigi is
but which one is worse
look out
im the cute anime girl

youre very cute
i know
I didn't know you finally supported a good team
i support paris
hey kenobi, let's take a look at the current owl standings!
i too stand for paris
before you do
can you make sure to flip it upside down
you gotta do a wizardhyeong
his teams winrate is finally not negative and hes already being cocky af
dont lie even if paris went 0-16 i would still shittalk everyone
as you should be
and i love u
kinda cringe i have a gf
what does that even mean
lol
multiple gfs baby

good one 😬
Once and then do it again 10 years later is highkey more impressive
@plush grail extremely happy he has a gf
Dont lol and dota players hate each other
Why are u happy if he has a gf , FISHY
🤣
cause hes a cool guy
Kk 😎
a real chad if u ask me
no I mean he's really happy that he has a gf
I was just jking man 😎
dragons bettter sub in the develop whoru dps line against LAV
how do the best teams so quickly become awful
what happened to mayhem
they were really good in may melee
meta
I wouldn’t say really good
Outlaws and shock were better in may imo
They had an easy bracket with Toronto and justice who weren’t able to play rush
even if I had no gf I'd still shittalk lmao
are there overwatch leagues for lesser teams PC. (not pro or similar)
yeah atlanta reign
Theres several leagues for console teams. Casual competitive, not pro.
so are there for pc
seems like it
contenders is tier 2
im not trying to go that pro lol
then there's open division
and collegiate
"casual competitive "
unless your name is Asking
Not rn
best team will win e sport tournament
why is he apologizing? 
Cause they got 3-0ed
Wait yaki is taking a break from owl?
Definitely not rn but maybe if they power up for the tournament as usual
lol
Is yaki taking a break from owl
Funny to think avast had Toronto Florida high on preseason and Atlanta low
Recent one is him and checkmate apologizing, so either is frustrated with their performance or burn out a bit because their stuff isn't panning out.
So they have enough time to take a few days break before back to grind.
Their next match is in a month iirc
Their schedule is reign glads Boston outlaws
Rough
The Boston match is quite winnable tbh
Lmfao
Hardest schedule possible if that happened
Idk if Florida play like they are rn I doubt they beat Boston
Hopefully
As an fyi
Man, Yaki was doing real well during that last match, he shouldn't be apologizing.
Florida's next game is august 7th
So he probabaly just wants to take a few weeks off
I'm sad that we didn't get breadsticks. All they had to do was just play Sombra ;_;
the breadsticks are a myth
Seems about right
ratlanta still too high
would you say outlaws or glads are better
Outlaws
Outlaws deffo, when they arent derp
according to undine's liq page, he was previously an analyst for NYXL
for 3 months in 2020
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vote staring contest
his aim is insane
super is the best
Yaki should have won player of the match
against justice
He was just doing literally the most
can a losing team win potm
Mfw these are the only three options available
I want to see them go vs the rein bot
it's super fucking stupid though
It's basically just a rein with perfect mechanics
hi
I legitimately think they might never get them
but I actually watch their games to see
Thinking about it vanc vs london is going to be a ROLL
anyone think houston has a chance this tournament to make hawaii?
they seem to have decided their main roster now, so I am somewhat optimistic
Augest 14th
^^
Oh yeah maybe
WJ looked good against florida but im just huffing copium
I mean, they could too, idk
I might die from the amount of copeium and hopeium in my veins
from what I have seen, Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta are likely the biggest competitors in na
Like im at OD level
Open division levels of copium and hopium
Dallas honestly looks beatable after the Atlanta match, so
idk, I guess we still have a bit until we know who is going to have a shot
I want Houston to make Hawaii at least once
I think houston will beat dallas
They've been one tricking double shield
and dallas struggled vs florida when they ran it
glads maybe as well
the only other team that is better than reign in na is outlaws though
other than dallas ofc
battle for texas is the next dallas match though
rn, I have Houston == Dallas > Atlanta, then tier break, glads, then everyone else
Dallas probably is better than Houston but idk
yes
shock may be up there with glads, idk
i think it goes dallas>outlaws>reign>glads>shock
we will probably get to see when the playoffs come around, but so far that seems about what I am thinking
if dallas got fdgod, do you think they would be better
not sure he would fit their style, but he probably is better than jecse on paper
jecse is the weakest player, but he's been stepping it up lately
^
To the point where getting a better Ms wouldn't improve them much
Jecse hasn’t looked bad
do you think fdgod would fit dallas's style though
have to remember that the team also has crazy synergy type stuff going on
also he played with sparkle hanbin fielder as well so he would have synergy
I don't think he would fit as well as jecse
personally I think jecse is better for dallas than fdgod
Also coms
they comm in korean rn and they commed in english on Paris
FD would either need to learn korean or force everyone to speak englihs
No
Probably not
There's only 1 other spot except dallas
tbh everyone on dallas apart from fearless (and i guess pine) has looked great on mixed rosters before
so you would assume they would be comfortable speaking english
Dallas and Houston are not in the same tier
no one said they are
Because that would mean that either shanghai is in a tier of their own or houston is in a same tier as shanghai
so far this year, no, but Dallas being close with Atlanta may mean they are weaker than they were
We already know shanghai is the best team in the world currently
but that could have been a one off
I dont think number two is a competitin tbh
Number 3,4,5 in the entire league is a good debate
For context, the modes are:
☠️ You miss you die - Code: 1TAHX - 1 shot kill, but if you miss you die.
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aww this wasn't a real staring contest
i prefer rein bot then
the issue with the rein bot is that it has perfect mechanics
so it will play like a bot of course, but mechanically is just better than anyone
How do you beat it then
indeed bumper is a bot
oh it's not hard to beat it
hit your firestrike and dodge the bot's initial one
then of course don't let it shatter you
but if you land your firestrike and avoid getting hit you win by default with swing damage
#1-2 is Dragons Fuel
I thought you said it has perfect mechanics
Perfect mechanics doesn't mean firestrike will be 100% accurate
Hydration
I'm guessing military service?
Perfect mechanics sound like, well perfect mechanics
Which means you don’t miss
no it doesn't because firestrike is a proj
so its not 100% accurate because it can't 100% predict user movement
if it was hitscan
it would be more possible
Being 100% accurate with a projectile like fire strike is straight up impossible at the range the bot starts at
Checkmate can though
Lol
Who is the third best team in the leaugue right now?
Id say outlaws
But their wins are eh
Dn?
Deez nuts?
Like these nuts?
What about your nuts?
Are you coming onto me?
Bro I dont swing that way homie
You gay
No homo though
Your pfp is cute afkm
Houston/glads/Seoul
And Philly
i'd put philly above seoul, and its hard to see how good they are because APAC has had such limited playtime against NA
in the current meta atl is also up for contention
They both got swept by dragons so WHO CARES
Seoul 
I'll call Houston a top team if they beat Dallas this upcoming match
Glads got beat by Eternal 
lukemino to replace roolf
Actual good pickup
if it isn't bait that is
but I imagine it is bait since I doubt they would leak their signing like that lmaoo
although I presume he is moving up because I can't see any other reason odyssey would drop a guy that got them a consistent top 2 for a year
When will Pine finally play again for Dallas?
If he is going to titans we'll hear something from halo I guess
halo bad
Wait what?
The halo bad bot here 
Every single time we mention he is 48/52 on insider predictions and you say "he typos sometimes and was wrong that one time"
now they just need to replace fire
Replace changsik next
but who knows
maybe roolf really does make their MT that bad
replace fire with kris
and dinkzr with saya
Then dalton with libero
then just be meta athena
If only those players wanted to play and Vancouver wanted to spend money and those players worked on their English 😭
But genuinely you could upgrade titans with contenders talent pretty easily
Sign people like iced, dynasty, dove, speedily, ojee, ultraviolet, if they were of age of course
why doesn't the league allow minors
labor laws
then how does contenders exist???
Because it is a full time job
And contenders isn't recognised as a full time job
i mean
mer1t, muze, sanguinar, nero, lateyoung, apply, that spark analyst, apply also said he got him wrong twice, ameng jinmu
its a bunch of stuff
Lukemino for Roolf better be true otherwise odyssey downgraded for no reason becaude even with a 14 year old main tank theyve been nutty
Personally haven't seen halo get a pred wrong in fucking ages so whatever happens there I hope it he drastic
I was gonna go through and look but I figured story mode meme was already punishment enough
Is rhyno really only 14
Even though they probs scrim as much?
Yep
Also
Work visas, accommodation, etc.
Incredibly more complicated with minors
Probably by a couple magnitudes
Also child labor laws lmfao
Probably a lot of them that are still in education as well
Question: Is frdwnr decent? It's hard to form an opinion on individuals in the Titans when they just get stomped so badly every time.
I feel like Roolf stood out as one of the weaker links in that last match they had, though.
Other than the three winless teams who is the worse ot
Hard to say
Bianca maybe?
Punk?
I was gonna say Hawk but he’s really stepped up this season
Hard to gauge, everyone this year that has a win is good
I said I was gonna but saw sense
I would say Bianca
not even last season
How good is bernar
Saying season 3 Hawk > low ping KSAA would be a stretch
JJanu
Mek0
Punk
Nevix
Gamer god Nevix
God I miss him so much 
I miss meko
punk ksaa elsa note meko the london ot mcgravy hotba bianca nevix toyou ellivote jjanu
Better than Mek0 Bernar McGravy and JJanu?
of course
Last year?
yes
Not taking into account any of the improvement he has made this year?
But before improvement you rate him that high?
Marbel your brain is smoother than a porn stars crotch
yeah its me
not your idiocity that looked 3 secs on the reign team, saw them underperform and blamed it on the tanks
why are they so much better this year?
Because Unter made a miracle with Gator and Hawk
cause they now have pieces that support them so well
if thats what you think your brain stopped working 15 years ago
Hawk is good now
Gator is good on orisa
And plausible on other tanks
Top half
Both of them
hawk was still good last year
But not top tier
gator had it hard cause the meta was never in his favour
gator was 1 of the reason it didnt work
we had no monkey player like paris
or ball
and yes hawk is top tier rn
his dva is one of the biggest reason we are performing so good rn
after pelican
hes still worse than hanbin or void
but no ot can compare to those two rn
Ria could 
Meko used ti be good
Before he got washed
So many washed players from sesson 1 and 2
Finish typing coward
Imagine being an Atlanta Boston Chengdu Dallas Florida Guangzhou Hangzhou Houston Gladiators Valiant London NYXL Paris Shock Shanghai Seoul Toronto Washington or Vancouver fan
When dafran was their Atlanta was like a beast
this guy with dafran bro
whats wrong
Hawk is better than nevix ngl
Lukemino actually so pog
but does ultraviol2t turn 18 s5?
I think fury can
All of their losses he isnt on dva
no
all of their wins he is
His Dva is still absolutely nutty
Ate like 4 of yakis pulses
Kept MAG alive the whole ass time
against mayhem idk
hawk's dva was troll level last year he got a lot better
but hawk was outperforming him
unrelated but looking at Shy's povs his aim is like Diem smooth as silk buttery asf
sym is just better than cree now
Super's been saying for months now that symm and torb are busted and people just don't realise it and now OWL's picked up on symm 
Super is the prophet
Forehead built like Wyoming
Nah his forehead's built like a sigma shield
But it is the size of Wyoming
RETRIEVING THE BARRIER
giga brain
thats only if you have coordinated team
thats why sparkr is on the cree for spitfire

Oh shit nice
I’m like barely top 1k for summer showdown
My summer showdown has been scuffed
I’ve fucked up my knockouts every time and I’m still first for this discord’s overall leaderboard
I have done no preds, because my country doesn't allow it 
: Game is only open to legal residents of the fifty (50) United States, the District of Columbia,
Canada (excluding Quebec), United Kingdom, France, Germany and Spain
didn't realise how restrictive it was
Yup
Can somebody who speaks drunk decipher what the fuck I meant to say last night 
whoa the tie breaker section is interesting
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What the fuck is a story mode meme and why did my brain decide it related to e sports 
go and look through halo's tweets maybe?
Always
It turns out this is my 4th most talked in channel out of all discords I'm in 
18k messages
Speculating about theoretical power rankings is just so addicting bro
I've been talking in this channel since 2016 
boomer
sheeeeeeeeesh
i hate old people
Man I'm only 22

its okay grandpa
😎
pretty sure the average age for active people here is pretty high
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Shock release a video about the june joust when they're already knocked out of the summer showdown 
Most of us are probably in our 30s or something
Sure
Can you imagine if they got Avast to do inside scoops with teams like Soe did back in season 1 and 2
God that'd be so good
what
Luigi said most of us are old and I am agreeing
Or maybe not Luigi I don’t remember if that is the copycat or not
that's actually Luigi
19 gang 💪
Holy shit y'all young
What was it like back in your day
Bro
?
cuz you're like in your 40's

Grandpa seems sad go take a nap

Tbf I turn 17 next month
20 and proud
I'm 23 in less than 3 months 
17 turning 18 within weeks
Oh christ you're all fucking children
I have never had sex with a child draw...
Hey guys overwatch e sports right
We have all lied
pfffsh
Ancient
You're probably 47
I feel weird now
bruh wtf, I forget that younger people exist because I think of my "little" sister who is 15 as still way young because I have always been way ahead
You're all tiny children
but now I talk to people her age and can't even tell they are "little" lmao
You're just el old
One of us
coping with being elderly at 19, is there a guidebook on this? Now I know how overwatch pros feel when they retire at 20 
Copium
draw could be my grandpa
I pay rent
Wow your family still makes grandpa pay rent
Man
how could they
Be quiet tiny child
so are shock totally out or can someone else drop a map to get them in sort of thing
the grandpa is not really nice
Shock are out

I think London needs to win
Grandpa just forgot his pills
And Toronto and Washington need to shit the bed
Or something
So they're out
The boys

Even with that all they need is one map and they are in iirc
The blazing eye of Haroeris blesses your battles 👁
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First impression
Ana skin dope
Not feeling the helmet
I’m fine with any ana skin
i hate it ngl
Still gonna buy it
Def
I thought it was gonna be a lucio skin given the statue thing
nah its sick
I hope I’ll be able to get the rest of my tokens in time
god ur all fucking boomers
My goal is to get all limited skins without spending a dollar 💰
l
uhh yall about get tokens from owl streams how long and how much?
5 tokens an hour
thanks
And you need to connect your bnet account to your youtube
BRUH
That Ana skin is horrible
How did we go from literally the best Widow skin possible
To this
She reminds me of that one birdman character from Rick and Morty.
It's just not good, bro.
man kephrii is like unironically nutty on widow
You don't have to say the unironic part. It's accepted he's nutty on Widow.
a lot of onetricks are prob low ow level

like yaki
but as far as hitscan goes you can have the best aim in the world and still get owned at the top level because at that point aim is less of a factor than positioning when everyone is cracked
and a lot of hitscan is just finding the spot to shoot people who aren't looking at you lolll
all of you are teenagers what the fuck
no wonder you guys have regular, you have all the time in the world to waste talking in the server
I have it running on another device lol
5v5 announcement sort of killed ow for me so I'm trying valorant
mostly not a bad game
well, I still like owl, but as a tank player I am not touching 5v5
not sure I would watch 5v5 owl either
who asked?
it isn't just "a change" to tank players, but whatever
not really sure how I got onto that tangent
but the game and competitive is boring af rn and i didnt touch it in months a change that makes the game feel new makes me exited and would get me to play again
its not just a change to tank players
removing a tank changes the play of every role
and i think thats what we need
and I don't
but you cant argue
I think the game is now stale because blizzard is entirely focused on ow2
thats the difference
I am unclear what you mean
i mean you have no arguments why its a bad change
I do indeed, and I have made them before
blizzard cannot balance it
there will be no more tank duos
tanks will be the priority to be killed every time
tanks will have more responsibility than before
this is such an overused argument
can you balance it? can any other developer balance it?
probably not
they took years to get to this point where it is now considered pretty good
When the game has been balanced around having two tanks at all times for the past couple of years, yanking the rug from underneath that will not go well
I'm 28.
they have to change the very maps for it to work
the game atm isn't meant to support a single tank
So unless they make extreme changes to every character balance wise, 5v5 will be a wash
look, maybe the devs can balance it, they just haven't indicated they can given how long it took this time
A hero like sombra does not fit into 5v5
They did talk about extensive Hack reworks.
for rank its good that theres no more tank duos cause tanks with synergy have a significant advantage over the other team as tank is the most impactful role in the game
but I didn't mean to turn this into a 5v5 discussion
Also, they have shown us fuck all for changes for 5v5 balance wise
that’s what im saying
was a few little changes and that's it
Basically until they show me actually proper balance changes to support 5v5 in previews of ow2, I will continue to think it's a bad idea
and no tanks wont be focused more cause offtanks usually peel for the backline which is now more vulnarable and will be focused
and I don't think 5v5 solves anything big
I don't think it will solve a dramatic issue in the game
and tanks already had the most responsability cause they have the most impact
This is a pointless discussion, my dudes. There's too many unknown factors. All we can really do is sit and wait.
at best it might alleviate a few things like queue times, but otherwise it's a bad idea
no we dont
Shock needs to just run one lineup and never change it
but we can all agree we need a change
no, we don’t. which is why we should stop making blanket statements like “it will be good” or “it will be bad”
it might not be the best
5v5 bad until proven otherwise
but its atleast something
maybe it won't be
At the most, I feel like they should only be swapping out one player, which I think they're working on with how much we've seen the Viol2t Lucio.
we need a change
personally at the very least, I enjoy tank duoing
if u deny that
Glister flex ans hitscan
I know for a fact that 5v5 won't have
youre delusional
get rid of nero
swap smurf/super like they've always done, then ans for nero for ashe/widow and that's it
ah, my bad
nah
Agreed. I don't doubt the individual skill levels of the Shock roster, but it most likely does mess up the groove and coordination if you're pushing out half the team every map.
Junkbuck was the biggest loss
that and shock can't decide on a core
(FDGod MECHANICALLY best Lucio btw I cannot be convinced otherwise)
they also need to either, somehow convince either fdgod or viol2t to play more passive or bench viol2t for twilight
Viol2t has been doing some WEIRD shit lately, yeah.
me no like viol2t main support
he's just been playing like normal for him but without moth to keep the rest of his team up
viol2t main support needs to go too
Viol2t was the best flex support for a fucking reason shock
keep him on FS
Please
alarm>
damn
Now just sign a better OT than hawk
pelican proper kai someone attack ojee finn
im gettin exited
with hawk gator iri5 on the bench
and edison ig?
thatd be a title contender fosho
iris has been good though this season
edison traded
iris is good
yeah iris good
but finn is next level
edison is a good tracer
weak spots
not top tier
grab piggy off houston
pelican tho
just yoink him
grab a monkey player, a better OT, and maybe upgrade MS
idk piggy is kinda overrated imo
his dva holds up pretty well
I will say one thing about piggy
his sig ults
are fucking godly
They ALWAYS get value no matter what it seems
Barely seem him whiff one or waste it
nah not indisputably
I think void/hanbin/gargoyle/choi are all super good at sig too
Is Michelle any good
Wouldn't they be among the worst off tanks outside of the bottom 3 teams then
its weird bc his dva isnt even bad but it just doesnt compare to his sig
much like garg
definetly
based on blizzard's track history
there's no reason to believe that they will balance well for 5v5
his dva is good
Anyone know when we're getting this spray?
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that was a while ago iirc
he's asking when we're getting it lmao
Yeah, we still haven't received it
i guess we havent which is weird bc i remember it being shown off during jj
Yeah, I remember seeing it too which reminded me lol
A shanghai spray hasnt been announced either
Hot take - Mayhem and Shock are not massively underperforming. The quality of gameplay and competition in NA has just gone up a ton.
Instead of flaming those guys, why not applaud the teams doing well this year? I swear the OW community has been more and more negative
1212
mayhem are 100% underperforming
And I think shock also are underperforming
But I think previously when shock underperformed, they still could win because most teams weren't able to catch on to it
But this season rosters can punish when shock isn't at their best
dpei saying that because his team's best achievement has been beating shock l0l
lmao
Hot take - Glads need a better coach
Very hot
About as hot as Joe
Very hot take 👍
joe who?
I hope this is sarcasm
This is the guy that lost fissure
managed to underperform with Decay and Void
Managed to underperform with Kevster and Birdring with Space
And is still underperforming with a top team
it's obviously sarcasm lol I don't think anyone here thinks dpei is a good coach
i really hope so
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this is what happens when elsa retires
He wants revenge for the may melee
i do
stop pretending
think i can still get enough tokens for ana in the 2 weekends, i got 85 rn
sadge why ana of all heros
Wtf lip is a giant
the new ana skin's gun is beautiful
how tall are they
LIP is somewhere between 6’3-5 and Void is somewhere between 5’4-6
the hair must be an extra 5 inches
with 2 dps tourney skins and 1 support so far, do you reckon the next one is going to be a tank?
Idk
Most likely no because they haven't like promised it
Remember tanks were the last all stars skins and Shock vs The World Hog
hope it's another support skin
Agree
Ice was released as well hmm
They wish him success with his new team, which is more bait and speculation for a titans signing

Just tell us it's bait already
I'm messing with the owl standings website
and there is a scenario in which shock is bottom 4 in NA
i can see that
due to poor map differential among 2-2 teams
worse than defiant, justice, and boston is a stretch though
this tourney or overall
this tourney
Also if shock somehow squeak on by
They better pray houston doesn't make the #1 seed
i dont understand why we are making so many scenarios for shock
we dont do this for other teams
Because it's a more popular team that is expected to do well
also I'm bored and wanted to see how hard it is for them to get in
because love them or hate them shock is the face of OWL currently
most popular team
Shock stagnated this off season and the league caught up and now Shock fans know what it feels like to be the rest of the league
It’s probably Shock Dallas Titans LOL
Shanghai Seoul would be watched more if they weren’t apac
Reign Houston Glads one of those
And philly
Apac games for me are at 3 am
we now know what it feels like to be the Philadelphia Fusion*
5am but I wake up for Shanghai games o7
they did lose some big players but they shouldn't be the way they are now tbh
Shouldn't be near the end of the 3rd stage and still figuring out what lineup to run
Entire league just got 3 times better this year other than winless teams
I know other teams got better
will vancouver get a win this season
On paper shock is still top 3
Most likely not
shock doing some weird shit though roster wise
Viol2t lucio shouldn’t be a thing
yea
They just can't figure out what to do for their permanent lineup
they change it up way too often
Look at all the winning teams atm
fdgod is doing something for sure
its better than fd lol
They don't swap in players constantly
no way they put viol2t in for lucio and mercy if their main support is available
Viol2t's lucio is not better than fdgod's
Fdgod had like two bad games and people think he's dogshit
yea fits is a great cree
viol2t feeds a lot though






