#esports-discussion

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idle gorge
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Oh so the shock made more than 1,6 mil and aren’t splitting the money with the other teams? Or what is it?

forest raven
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If orgs are paying the team above 1.6m, they have to pay that same amount that's over into a tax of sorts that is then distributed amongst the rest of the teams

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So any money they're paying over the 1.6m soft cap, they essentially have to pay twice

feral zodiac
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Which gets to a point where if you pay 1 dollar to a player, you have to pay 1 dollar to the league

forest raven
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Yeah

forest raven
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They're doing that, I believe the problem is that this system exists without a player union to represent the best interests of the players

idle gorge
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Ok so let’s say super makes 2 mil then shock have to pay 400k to the league?

feral zodiac
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Yes

forest raven
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It's not for one player, the 1.6m cap is for the entire team

willow tartan
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its not the leagues job to make a player union is it

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thats the players to do smthn abt it

forest raven
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Fuck no

idle gorge
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But what a player union mean? I don’t get that part

forest raven
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Unions should be wholly separated from the organisation they interact with

feral zodiac
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That or the people who play esports for a career don't really care

forest raven
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No

willow tartan
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super will leave if shock dont get a 3peat

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if they do he's gonna stay until they lose

forest raven
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I doubt it

idle gorge
hollow bough
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Soft salary cap in overwatch league means any team that makes 1.6 million or above gets their winnings equally distributed to the rest of the teams. The players aren't unionized, so it may violate an antitrust act.
People in support of a soft salary cap argue that sports team owners dont pay players out of their own bank accounts, and that the income brought in is distributed to players. They believe salary caps make sure the sport can't be dominated by a small number of teams that have nationwide fanbases and lots of star players. Without the cap, it allows a small number of teams to monopolize the sport.
People against a soft salary cap argue that they are never about equity, and it's a lie by owners to trick fans to pocket more money and control the amount they pay players. They believe salary caps are always a way to keep salaries low and enforce a check on owner spending in order for owners to maximize profits for themselves. Without a salary cap, players will be traded at fair market value, and a team wouldnt actually be able to sign top talent because too many top players would eat into profits. Due to contracts and revenue sharing, which is independent of salary caps, there would be more money to go around

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thats the best I can explain

idle gorge
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So football doesn’t have that and that’s why players are getting transferred for 220mil euros, I’m talking about the football you play with ur feet ofc

willow tartan
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but football is a way bigger sport than overwatch

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like no one has enough money to monopolise football

humble gazelle
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wait is there now OWL tn

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no*

hollow bough
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im not sure what european leagues are like but in america there are soft salary caps for all sports. Some sports allow to have a few players that are separate from the salary cap

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No matter how big the sport is, at least in america, the sports have salary caps because it keeps teams more competitive, specifically about the players they decide to draft. salary caps may be more difficult to manage in a smaller sports organization like OWL

idle gorge
willow tartan
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makes sense given that football is THE biggest sport on the planet

humble gazelle
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uhh am i in the wrong channel?

willow tartan
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there isnt owl tonight

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games will happen next week

hollow bough
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Yeah, brings the most viewers, so gets the most money flow

humble gazelle
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ah ok ty

hollow bough
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We're still talking about overwatch league news

idle gorge
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Ye 3 of the best paid athletes are football players

hollow bough
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i thought michael jordan and tiger woods were the most paid

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wasn't he paid like 1.8 billion in total?

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jordan

idle gorge
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Best is McGregor then messi then ronaldo and I think neymar on 7

hollow bough
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Maybe that's for a year but theres no way michael jordan made less than that

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tiger woods was paid 1.7 billion, michael jordan 1.85 billion, and arnold palmer 1.4 billion lol

idle gorge
hollow bough
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golf and basketball respectively

idle gorge
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That’s one year

willow tartan
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i wonder who the highest paid esports player is

idle gorge
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That’s without all the advertisements he’s in

idle gorge
willow tartan
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too bad all the contracts are private

hollow bough
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apparently its a dota 2 player

willow tartan
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no thats winnings

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i mean like who has the fattest contract

hollow bough
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oh yeah

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gotchaaa

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no idea

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I had no idea Dota 2 had such a prolific esports scene

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Im looking at players who won the most and 80% of them are dota 2

idle gorge
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Surprised league isn’t there then, isn’t that the biggest scene?

willow tartan
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valve money

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prize pools are like 40 million USD

hollow bough
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insane

idle gorge
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Owl can’t even dream of getting a 40mil price pool

hollow bough
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40 mil prize pool is crazy

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cant imagine being able to throw around that kind of cash for esports lol

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i didnt know dota 2/lol was that popular, i know its popular but not to that magnitude

forest raven
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The T1 prize pool is so big because it's increased by cosmetic sales in the game itself

hollow bough
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ohhhh shit

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that makes hella sense

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rainbow six siege does that too

idle gorge
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Tbh the football scene is getting ruined by money, I just hope that isn’t going to be the case for any other major sport/esports

hollow bough
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could argue that with every sport

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Have you seen some of the shitty refereeing done against teams in basketball that China doesn't like?

idle gorge
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There’s 2 big clubs in Europe rn which are owned by sjeiks meaning they can basically sign any player they want cause they have all the money needed

hollow bough
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unfortunate

idle gorge
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Neither have ever won the champions league yet, the biggest tournament, but it’ll happen soon with all the players they’re attracting

hollow bough
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Maybe salary caps would be utilized better in european leagues if they aren't already

willow tartan
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1 billion euro contract when

idle gorge
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I’m pretty sure it isn’t when the best paid player makes 130mil a season from his contract

hollow bough
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There's always going to be issues of corruption between salary caps and owners/players, it's unfortunate with how much money gets thrown around

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we've even seen this in overwatch league with speculations on the valiant where members were getting paid a few dollars/hour basically (speculation, nothing set in stone to back that up)

hollow bough
sullen berry
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Charge and spitfire really do play like they have 5 players on the team

While Titans looks like they have 2 players who are trying while Valiant lookingfl for their first map win since Fusion

willow tartan
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on the bright side it means they can play 5v6 just as good as 6v6

rugged flame
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can i ask what version do owl play on?

balmy wolf
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thought it was latest rn?

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they had the 250 mech dmg

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so makes sense they would be on latest

noble nexus
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the one before the hitscan nerfs

feral zodiac
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Football not having salary caps is the reason so many big teams are having financial trouble right now

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Some players are being paid a tenth of the clubs yearly earnings

sullen berry
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so in the long term, to avoid drowning their own parent orgs in debt, a soft salary cap would be nice

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a shame it didn't involve a player union t make sure it was fine by all the players involved, not just for the org's benefit or to OWL's benefit with their self mandated luxury tax

plush grail
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@sullen berryHAHAHAAH YOUR FAV TEAM IS THE CHARGE

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HAHAHAHAHAHA

sullen berry
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it's a good thing I have one blocked to tell which one is trying their hard to be cringe and which one lives and breathes it

balmy wolf
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luigi is

sullen berry
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but which one is worse

balmy wolf
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the original ^

plush grail
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HAHAHAHA YOUR FAV TEAM IS ATLANTA

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HOLY SHIT

sullen berry
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look out

plush grail
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im the cute anime girl

sullen berry
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he's horny

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so whose going to win OWL this season

balmy wolf
plush grail
sullen berry
plush grail
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hey kenobi, let's take a look at the current owl standings!

sullen berry
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i too stand for paris

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before you do

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can you make sure to flip it upside down

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you gotta do a wizardhyeong

balmy wolf
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his teams winrate is finally not negative and hes already being cocky af

plush grail
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paris #1 in the west!

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charge #7!

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shit team

plush grail
plush grail
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its my job

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and i love my job

balmy wolf
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and i love u

plush grail
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kinda cringe i have a gf

balmy wolf
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u could be a two-timer

plush grail
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what does that even mean

balmy wolf
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lol

forest raven
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THE TWO TIME

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BACK TO BACK

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NOT ONCE

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AND THEN DO IT AGAIN

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TEN YEARS LATER

balmy wolf
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multiple gfs baby

forest raven
plush grail
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delusional la glads fan spotted

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look at my name

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ez clap

noble nexus
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good one 😬

next mesa
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Once and then do it again 10 years later is highkey more impressive

little tusk
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@plush grail extremely happy he has a gf

remote siren
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Dont lol and dota players hate each other

balmy wolf
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🤣

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cause hes a cool guy

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Kk 😎

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a real chad if u ask me

little tusk
balmy wolf
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I was just jking man 😎

raw ermine
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dragons bettter sub in the develop whoru dps line against LAV

keen abyss
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how do the best teams so quickly become awful

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what happened to mayhem

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they were really good in may melee

balmy wolf
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meta

north relic
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Outlaws and shock were better in may imo

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They had an easy bracket with Toronto and justice who weren’t able to play rush

plush grail
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even if I had no gf I'd still shittalk lmao

spice portal
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are there overwatch leagues for lesser teams PC. (not pro or similar)

spice portal
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tox

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and thats not a answer lol

balmy wolf
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i dont even understand the question

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but my iq is lower than my age

spice portal
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Theres several leagues for console teams. Casual competitive, not pro.

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so are there for pc

kind ridge
remote siren
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So

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Do you think this d fuel beats this shanghai?

worn falcon
willow tartan
spice portal
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im not trying to go that pro lol

willow tartan
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then there's open division

worn falcon
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and collegiate

spice portal
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"casual competitive "

willow tartan
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open division

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anyone can sign up with a team

worn falcon
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unless your name is Asking

spice portal
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ok yea open division

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is fitting

north relic
balmy wolf
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best team will win e sport tournament

worldly flax
trail perch
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Cause they got 3-0ed

north relic
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Wait yaki is taking a break from owl?

woeful basin
idle beacon
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lol

worn falcon
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according avast

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lol florida so low

north relic
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Funny to think avast had Toronto Florida high on preseason and Atlanta low

worn falcon
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Recent one is him and checkmate apologizing, so either is frustrated with their performance or burn out a bit because their stuff isn't panning out.

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So they have enough time to take a few days break before back to grind.

north relic
worn falcon
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Yep, that's why i said they have some time for taking a break

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A few days off

north relic
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Rough

noble nexus
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The Boston match is quite winnable tbh

keen abyss
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replace boston with dallas

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make it even harder

noble nexus
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Lmfao

north relic
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And still Boston is lose able

north relic
noble nexus
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Idk if Florida play like they are rn I doubt they beat Boston

north relic
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Yea they got 3-0d by them recently

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A month break should help them though

noble nexus
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Hopefully

earnest leaf
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As an fyi

wicked pendant
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Man, Yaki was doing real well during that last match, he shouldn't be apologizing.

earnest leaf
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Florida's next game is august 7th

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So he probabaly just wants to take a few weeks off

wicked pendant
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I'm sad that we didn't get breadsticks. All they had to do was just play Sombra ;_;

worn falcon
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the breadsticks are a myth

feral zodiac
worn falcon
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ratlanta still too high

feral zodiac
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Nah

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Ratlanta playing well

north relic
feral zodiac
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Outlaws

worn falcon
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Outlaws deffo, when they arent derp

raw ermine
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according to undine's liq page, he was previously an analyst for NYXL

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for 3 months in 2020

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vote staring contest

tawdry hamlet
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Me to yaki 😭

north relic
outer fjord
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super is the best

trail perch
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Yaki should have won player of the match

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against justice

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He was just doing literally the most

north relic
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can a losing team win potm

trail perch
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They said on stream that it happened once before

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Diya

raw ermine
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in that mayhem shanghai game?

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the OG toilet bowl?

raw ermine
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the champion of champions

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in staring

earnest leaf
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I want to see them go vs the rein bot

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it's super fucking stupid though

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It's basically just a rein with perfect mechanics

vagrant cargo
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diya won potm vs houston

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in S1

feral vapor
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hi

sullen berry
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All rise

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For the United Breadsticks of Vancouver, Canada

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🍁 🥖

digital cloud
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I legitimately think they might never get them

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but I actually watch their games to see

trail perch
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Thinking about it vanc vs london is going to be a ROLL

kind ridge
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when

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i wanna see

trail perch
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Like the last match of the regular season

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I think

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its during countdown cup

digital cloud
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anyone think houston has a chance this tournament to make hawaii?

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they seem to have decided their main roster now, so I am somewhat optimistic

trail perch
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Augest 14th

trail perch
trail perch
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WJ looked good against florida but im just huffing copium

digital cloud
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I mean, they could too, idk

trail perch
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I might die from the amount of copeium and hopeium in my veins

digital cloud
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from what I have seen, Houston, Dallas, and Atlanta are likely the biggest competitors in na

trail perch
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Like im at OD level

raw ermine
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Open division levels of copium and hopium

digital cloud
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Dallas honestly looks beatable after the Atlanta match, so

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idk, I guess we still have a bit until we know who is going to have a shot

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I want Houston to make Hawaii at least once

earnest leaf
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I think houston will beat dallas

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They've been one tricking double shield

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and dallas struggled vs florida when they ran it

north relic
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other than dallas ofc

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battle for texas is the next dallas match though

digital cloud
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rn, I have Houston == Dallas > Atlanta, then tier break, glads, then everyone else

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Dallas probably is better than Houston but idk

north relic
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yes

digital cloud
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shock may be up there with glads, idk

north relic
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i think it goes dallas>outlaws>reign>glads>shock

digital cloud
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we will probably get to see when the playoffs come around, but so far that seems about what I am thinking

north relic
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if dallas got fdgod, do you think they would be better

digital cloud
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not sure he would fit their style, but he probably is better than jecse on paper

earnest leaf
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jecse is the weakest player, but he's been stepping it up lately

noble nexus
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^

earnest leaf
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To the point where getting a better Ms wouldn't improve them much

noble nexus
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Jecse hasn’t looked bad

north relic
digital cloud
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have to remember that the team also has crazy synergy type stuff going on

north relic
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also he played with sparkle hanbin fielder as well so he would have synergy

earnest leaf
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I don't think he would fit as well as jecse

digital cloud
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personally I think jecse is better for dallas than fdgod

trail perch
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Also coms

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they comm in korean rn and they commed in english on Paris

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FD would either need to learn korean or force everyone to speak englihs

next mesa
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Probably not

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There's only 1 other spot except dallas

digital cloud
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I have Houston about second, over Atlanta

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who do you think is better

mortal abyss
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so you would assume they would be comfortable speaking english

remote siren
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Dallas and Houston are not in the same tier

tepid ibex
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no one said they are

remote siren
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Because that would mean that either shanghai is in a tier of their own or houston is in a same tier as shanghai

digital cloud
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so far this year, no, but Dallas being close with Atlanta may mean they are weaker than they were

remote siren
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We already know shanghai is the best team in the world currently

digital cloud
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but that could have been a one off

remote siren
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I dont think number two is a competitin tbh

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Number 3,4,5 in the entire league is a good debate

raw ermine
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aww this wasn't a real staring contest

north relic
noble nexus
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that rein bot is so fucking fun

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super got rolled by it

north relic
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yea

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i wanna see checkmate dominate it

earnest leaf
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the issue with the rein bot is that it has perfect mechanics

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so it will play like a bot of course, but mechanically is just better than anyone

north relic
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How do you beat it then

next mesa
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u know who has perfect rein mechanics

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bumper

raw ermine
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indeed bumper is a bot

earnest leaf
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oh it's not hard to beat it

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hit your firestrike and dodge the bot's initial one

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then of course don't let it shatter you

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but if you land your firestrike and avoid getting hit you win by default with swing damage

next mesa
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#1-2 is Dragons Fuel

north relic
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I thought you said it has perfect mechanics

feral zodiac
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Perfect mechanics doesn't mean firestrike will be 100% accurate

feral zodiac
next mesa
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no only bumper

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speaking of which he is like MIA for 2 years where the hell is he

feral zodiac
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I'm guessing military service?

north relic
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Which means you don’t miss

next mesa
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no it doesn't because firestrike is a proj

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so its not 100% accurate because it can't 100% predict user movement

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if it was hitscan

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it would be more possible

feral zodiac
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Being 100% accurate with a projectile like fire strike is straight up impossible at the range the bot starts at

feral zodiac
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Lol

remote siren
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Who is the third best team in the leaugue right now?

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Id say outlaws

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But their wins are eh

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Dn?

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Deez nuts?

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Like these nuts?

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What about your nuts?

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Are you coming onto me?

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Bro I dont swing that way homie

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You gay

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No homo though

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Your pfp is cute afkm

devout path
worn falcon
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And Philly

severe tusk
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in the current meta atl is also up for contention

next mesa
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They both got swept by dragons so WHO CARES

gusty rampart
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Seoul WeirdChamp

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I'll call Houston a top team if they beat Dallas this upcoming match

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Glads got beat by Eternal OMEGALUL

tropic herald
tawdry hamlet
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lukemino to replace roolf

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Actual good pickup 3Dlol if it isn't bait that is

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but I imagine it is bait since I doubt they would leak their signing like that lmaoo

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although I presume he is moving up because I can't see any other reason odyssey would drop a guy that got them a consistent top 2 for a year

gilded vapor
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When will Pine finally play again for Dallas?

earnest leaf
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If he is going to titans we'll hear something from halo I guess

digital cloud
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halo bad

gilded vapor
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Wait what?

tawdry hamlet
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The halo bad bot here OmegaLUL

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Every single time we mention he is 48/52 on insider predictions and you say "he typos sometimes and was wrong that one time"

willow tartan
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now they just need to replace fire

earnest leaf
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Replace changsik next

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but who knows

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maybe roolf really does make their MT that bad

trail perch
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replace fire with kris

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and dinkzr with saya

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Then dalton with libero

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then just be meta athena

tawdry hamlet
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If only those players wanted to play and Vancouver wanted to spend money and those players worked on their English 😭

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But genuinely you could upgrade titans with contenders talent pretty easily

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Sign people like iced, dynasty, dove, speedily, ojee, ultraviolet, if they were of age of course

willow tartan
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why doesn't the league allow minors

tough wharf
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labor laws

willow tartan
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then how does contenders exist???

cursive plover
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I honestly don't know why it works like that

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Could it be just because owl is t1

feral zodiac
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And contenders isn't recognised as a full time job

vagrant cargo
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mer1t, muze, sanguinar, nero, lateyoung, apply, that spark analyst, apply also said he got him wrong twice, ameng jinmu

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its a bunch of stuff

tawdry hamlet
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Lukemino for Roolf better be true otherwise odyssey downgraded for no reason becaude even with a 14 year old main tank theyve been nutty

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Personally haven't seen halo get a pred wrong in fucking ages so whatever happens there I hope it he drastic

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I was gonna go through and look but I figured story mode meme was already punishment enough

forest raven
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Is rhyno really only 14

willow tartan
feral zodiac
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Yep

forest raven
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Also

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Work visas, accommodation, etc.

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Incredibly more complicated with minors

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Probably by a couple magnitudes

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Also child labor laws lmfao

feral zodiac
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Probably a lot of them that are still in education as well

forest raven
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Yep

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Very good reasons why you have to be over 18 for OWL

wicked pendant
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Question: Is frdwnr decent? It's hard to form an opinion on individuals in the Titans when they just get stomped so badly every time.

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I feel like Roolf stood out as one of the weaker links in that last match they had, though.

balmy wolf
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hes decent

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still bottom for an ot

north relic
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Other than the three winless teams who is the worse ot

hot onyx
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Hard to say

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Bianca maybe?

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Punk?

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I was gonna say Hawk but he’s really stepped up this season

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Hard to gauge, everyone this year that has a win is good

balmy wolf
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cant say hawk bro

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no way

hot onyx
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I said I was gonna but saw sense

north relic
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I would say Bianca

balmy wolf
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not even last season

hot onyx
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Alright that’s the Scatlanta delusion

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Who tf was Hawk better than last season?

north relic
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How good is bernar

hot onyx
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Saying season 3 Hawk > low ping KSAA would be a stretch

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JJanu

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Mek0

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Punk

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Nevix

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Gamer god Nevix

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God I miss him so much ZenyattaCry

north relic
balmy wolf
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punk ksaa elsa note meko the london ot mcgravy hotba bianca nevix toyou ellivote jjanu

hot onyx
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Better than Mek0 Bernar McGravy and JJanu?

balmy wolf
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of course

hot onyx
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Last year?

balmy wolf
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yes

hot onyx
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Not taking into account any of the improvement he has made this year?

balmy wolf
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he did improve

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but you sound like he was ass last season

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he was just not an top ot

hot onyx
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But before improvement you rate him that high?

balmy wolf
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like everyone thought he would be

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i rate him as an top ot this year

hot onyx
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Marbel your brain is smoother than a porn stars crotch

balmy wolf
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yeah its me

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not your idiocity that looked 3 secs on the reign team, saw them underperform and blamed it on the tanks

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why are they so much better this year?

hot onyx
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Because Unter made a miracle with Gator and Hawk

balmy wolf
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cause they now have pieces that support them so well

hot onyx
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Coaching diff

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Gator and Hawk are good now

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Well

balmy wolf
hot onyx
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Hawk is good now

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Gator is good on orisa

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And plausible on other tanks

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Top half

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Both of them

balmy wolf
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hawk was still good last year

hot onyx
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But not top tier

balmy wolf
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gator had it hard cause the meta was never in his favour

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gator was 1 of the reason it didnt work

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we had no monkey player like paris

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or ball

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and yes hawk is top tier rn

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his dva is one of the biggest reason we are performing so good rn

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after pelican

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hes still worse than hanbin or void

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but no ot can compare to those two rn

hot onyx
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Ria could ZenyattaCry

balmy wolf
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the justices retired ot?

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yeah he was on another level

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sad hes gone

hot onyx
#

Yeah

#

Imagine Ria Beast duo

remote siren
#

Meko used ti be good

#

Before he got washed

#

So many washed players from sesson 1 and 2

hot onyx
#

Finish typing coward

forest raven
#

Imagine being an Atlanta fan

hot onyx
#

Imagine being an Atlanta Boston Chengdu Dallas Florida Guangzhou Hangzhou Houston Gladiators Valiant London NYXL Paris Shock Shanghai Seoul Toronto Washington or Vancouver fan

balmy wolf
#

When dafran was their Atlanta was like a beast

#

this guy with dafran bro

#

whats wrong

hot onyx
#

Dafran overrated

#

Mans a Farming Simulator 2019 otp

next mesa
#

Hawk is better than nevix ngl

#

Lukemino actually so pog

#

but does ultraviol2t turn 18 s5?

trail perch
#

All of their losses he isnt on dva

balmy wolf
#

no

trail perch
#

all of their wins he is

#

His Dva is still absolutely nutty

#

Ate like 4 of yakis pulses

#

Kept MAG alive the whole ass time

balmy wolf
#

against mayhem idk

next mesa
#

hawk's dva was troll level last year he got a lot better

balmy wolf
#

they got rolled by reign

#

and he was on dva

#

he was playing good

trail perch
#

No he wasnt on dva

#

Was he?

#

I thought sig

balmy wolf
#

but hawk was outperforming him

next mesa
#

unrelated but looking at Shy's povs his aim is like Diem smooth as silk buttery asf

balmy wolf
#

brawl is played with dva

#

rein dva sym close range dps bap and lucio

next mesa
#

sym is just better than cree now

balmy wolf
#

sym hard meta

#

busted hero

next mesa
#

factual

#

way too op

forest raven
#

Super's been saying for months now that symm and torb are busted and people just don't realise it and now OWL's picked up on symm pepeLaugh

noble nexus
#

Super is the prophet

forest raven
#

Man's brain is massive

#

Why his forehead is the size of Wisconsin

noble nexus
#

Forehead built like Wyoming

forest raven
#

Nah his forehead's built like a sigma shield

#

But it is the size of Wyoming

#

RETRIEVING THE BARRIER

little tusk
#

giga brain

willow tartan
#

thats why sparkr is on the cree for spitfire

gusty rampart
forest raven
#

Holy

noble nexus
#

Oh shit nice

#

I’m like barely top 1k for summer showdown

#

My summer showdown has been scuffed

gusty rampart
#

Ngl I'm surprised

#

I'll fuck up knockouts and go back down but the dream was real

noble nexus
#

I’ve fucked up my knockouts every time and I’m still first for this discord’s overall leaderboard

raw ermine
#

I peaked at may melee

#

now I am second

forest raven
#

I have done no preds, because my country doesn't allow it EZ

raw ermine
#

: Game is only open to legal residents of the fifty (50) United States, the District of Columbia,
Canada (excluding Quebec), United Kingdom, France, Germany and Spain

#

didn't realise how restrictive it was

forest raven
#

Yup

tawdry hamlet
raw ermine
#

whoa the tie breaker section is interesting

#

Tie-Breaker (if applicable): In the event of a tie for any prize, the designated prize will be awarded to
the tied Entrant who locked in their prediction for the final Match first based on time and date stamp
as determined by the Sponsors and subject to their compliance with these Official Rules. If a tie still
exists after the above tie-breakers have been completed, each applicable tied entrant will be asked to answer via phone, without assistance of any kind, an Overwatch League themed question selected by
Sponsor with a time limit of five (5) seconds. The one (1) Entrant that answers the question correctly in
the shortest amount of time, will be declared the winner for that applicable prize

tawdry hamlet
#

What the fuck is a story mode meme and why did my brain decide it related to e sports monkaS

raw ermine
#

go and look through halo's tweets maybe?

tawdry hamlet
#

Idk man I'm just so confused what that meant lmaoo

#

Too many beers 🍺🍻

plush grail
#

love how even when ur drunk u dont forget to shitpost here

#

a true esports fan

tawdry hamlet
#

Always

#

It turns out this is my 4th most talked in channel out of all discords I'm in OmegaLUL

#

18k messages

plush grail
#

i only talked here once because yt chat was braindead

#

and now im here daily

tawdry hamlet
#

Speculating about theoretical power rankings is just so addicting bro

next mesa
#

poggers

#

get rolled

#

this is probably my second most talked channel

forest raven
#

I've been talking in this channel since 2016 BBoomer

next mesa
#

boomer

forest raven
#

Time never stops

next mesa
#

sheeeeeeeeesh

plush grail
#

i hate old people

forest raven
#

Man I'm only 22

plush grail
#

jesus

#

ancient

forest raven
plush grail
#

its okay grandpa

next mesa
#

😎

plush grail
#

pretty sure the average age for active people here is pretty high

tawdry hamlet
forest raven
#

Shock release a video about the june joust when they're already knocked out of the summer showdown pepeLaugh

digital cloud
#

Most of us are probably in our 30s or something

forest raven
#

Can you imagine if they got Avast to do inside scoops with teams like Soe did back in season 1 and 2

#

God that'd be so good

digital cloud
#

Luigi said most of us are old and I am agreeing

#

Or maybe not Luigi I don’t remember if that is the copycat or not

noble nexus
#

that's actually Luigi

tawdry hamlet
#

sh_xqcl 19 gang 💪

noble nexus
#

yeah I didn't think anyone here was like

#

that old

#

I'm only 16 lmfao

forest raven
#

Holy shit y'all young

north relic
forest raven
#

Bro

devout path
#

Back in my day

#

You didn’t exist

forest raven
#

Str8 Rippin tearing up the Halo 3 MLG Circuit

#

THE OGRE TWINS

#

WALSHY

north relic
#

?

forest raven
#

No one remembers

noble nexus
#

cuz you're like in your 40's

forest raven
north relic
tawdry hamlet
next mesa
earnest leaf
#

Damn yall zoomers

#

I'm 17 and turn 18 this month

noble nexus
#

Tbf I turn 17 next month

balmy wolf
#

20 and proud

forest raven
#

I'm 23 in less than 3 months Sadge

raw ermine
#

17 turning 18 within weeks

forest raven
#

Oh christ you're all fucking children

raw ermine
#

I have never had sex with a child draw...

north relic
#

Hey guys overwatch e sports right

raw ermine
#

yep this is the place on this server

#

we're all too young to do pickems tho

north relic
#

We have all lied

noble nexus
#

pfffsh

forest raven
#

Fuck you

#

You're a main tank player

tawdry hamlet
#

wait wtf I thought all those people were older than me 3Dlol

#

levy is baby

forest raven
#

You're probably 47

feral zodiac
#

I'm 16

forest raven
#

I feel weird now

tawdry hamlet
#

bruh wtf, I forget that younger people exist because I think of my "little" sister who is 15 as still way young because I have always been way ahead

forest raven
#

You're all tiny children

tawdry hamlet
#

but now I talk to people her age and can't even tell they are "little" lmao

feral zodiac
#

You're just el old

tawdry hamlet
#

coping with being elderly at 19, is there a guidebook on this? Now I know how overwatch pros feel when they retire at 20 3Dlol

forest raven
#

dw it's just discord

#

Go into the real world and you'll be a kid again

north relic
forest raven
#

As you should be

#

Man

#

I have a job

balmy wolf
#

draw could be my grandpa

forest raven
#

I pay rent

north relic
forest raven
#

Man

balmy wolf
#

how could they

forest raven
#

Be quiet tiny child

tawdry hamlet
#

so are shock totally out or can someone else drop a map to get them in sort of thing

balmy wolf
#

the grandpa is not really nice

north relic
#

Shock are out

tawdry hamlet
forest raven
#

I think London needs to win

north relic
forest raven
#

And Toronto and Washington need to shit the bed

#

Or something

#

So they're out

#

The boys

north relic
forest raven
balmy wolf
#

bruh

#

its horrible

forest raven
#

First impression

north relic
#

Ana skin dope

forest raven
#

Not feeling the helmet

north relic
#

I’m fine with any ana skin

balmy wolf
#

i hate it ngl

forest raven
#

Still gonna buy it

north relic
#

Def

gusty saffron
#

I thought it was gonna be a lucio skin given the statue thing

forest raven
#

Wait

#

Looking at it in game

#

I'm a fan

gusty saffron
#

nah its sick

keen abyss
#

I hope I’ll be able to get the rest of my tokens in time

tawdry hamlet
#

Oh a snow owl retexture

#

Cool I guess

#

I have 610 tokens from watching games

plush grail
#

god ur all fucking boomers

tawdry hamlet
#

My goal is to get all limited skins without spending a dollar 💰

gusty saffron
#

same ^

#

ive really only paid for midas roadhog

atomic river
#

l

trim onyx
#

uhh yall about get tokens from owl streams how long and how much?

forest raven
#

5 tokens an hour

trim onyx
#

thanks

forest raven
#

And you need to connect your bnet account to your youtube

wicked pendant
#

BRUH

#

That Ana skin is horrible

#

How did we go from literally the best Widow skin possible

#

To this

balmy wolf
#

yeah

#

worst skin ive ever seen

#

they legit made her uglier

wicked pendant
#

She reminds me of that one birdman character from Rick and Morty.

#

It's just not good, bro.

little tusk
#

man kephrii is like unironically nutty on widow

wicked pendant
#

You don't have to say the unironic part. It's accepted he's nutty on Widow.

balmy wolf
#

a lot of onetricks are prob low ow level

tawdry hamlet
balmy wolf
#

like yaki

tawdry hamlet
#

but as far as hitscan goes you can have the best aim in the world and still get owned at the top level because at that point aim is less of a factor than positioning when everyone is cracked

#

and a lot of hitscan is just finding the spot to shoot people who aren't looking at you lolll

digital cloud
#

all of you are teenagers what the fuck

#

no wonder you guys have regular, you have all the time in the world to waste talking in the server

shadow dagger
#

Grike, playing valorant 1hr

#

🤓

digital cloud
#

I have it running on another device lol

#

5v5 announcement sort of killed ow for me so I'm trying valorant

#

mostly not a bad game

#

well, I still like owl, but as a tank player I am not touching 5v5

#

not sure I would watch 5v5 owl either

balmy wolf
#

who asked?

noble nexus
#

I did

#

weirdo

balmy wolf
#

idk why a change would kill the game for u

#

to each their own i guess

digital cloud
#

it isn't just "a change" to tank players, but whatever

#

not really sure how I got onto that tangent

balmy wolf
#

but the game and competitive is boring af rn and i didnt touch it in months a change that makes the game feel new makes me exited and would get me to play again

#

its not just a change to tank players

#

removing a tank changes the play of every role

#

and i think thats what we need

digital cloud
#

and I don't

balmy wolf
#

but you cant argue

digital cloud
#

I think the game is now stale because blizzard is entirely focused on ow2

balmy wolf
#

thats the difference

digital cloud
#

I am unclear what you mean

balmy wolf
#

i mean you have no arguments why its a bad change

digital cloud
#

I do indeed, and I have made them before

#

blizzard cannot balance it

#

there will be no more tank duos

#

tanks will be the priority to be killed every time

#

tanks will have more responsibility than before

shadow dagger
#

can you balance it? can any other developer balance it?

#

probably not

digital cloud
#

they took years to get to this point where it is now considered pretty good

balmy wolf
#

blizzard cant balance the game rn

#

would change

earnest leaf
#

When the game has been balanced around having two tanks at all times for the past couple of years, yanking the rug from underneath that will not go well

digital cloud
#

they have to change the very maps for it to work

earnest leaf
#

the game atm isn't meant to support a single tank

#

So unless they make extreme changes to every character balance wise, 5v5 will be a wash

digital cloud
#

look, maybe the devs can balance it, they just haven't indicated they can given how long it took this time

earnest leaf
#

A hero like sombra does not fit into 5v5

wicked pendant
#

They did talk about extensive Hack reworks.

trail perch
#

ur dumb cause your thinking about it as changed

#

Its a new gmae

balmy wolf
#

for rank its good that theres no more tank duos cause tanks with synergy have a significant advantage over the other team as tank is the most impactful role in the game

digital cloud
#

but I didn't mean to turn this into a 5v5 discussion

earnest leaf
#

Also, they have shown us fuck all for changes for 5v5 balance wise

shadow dagger
earnest leaf
#

was a few little changes and that's it

#

Basically until they show me actually proper balance changes to support 5v5 in previews of ow2, I will continue to think it's a bad idea

balmy wolf
#

and no tanks wont be focused more cause offtanks usually peel for the backline which is now more vulnarable and will be focused

earnest leaf
#

and I don't think 5v5 solves anything big

#

I don't think it will solve a dramatic issue in the game

balmy wolf
#

and tanks already had the most responsability cause they have the most impact

wicked pendant
#

This is a pointless discussion, my dudes. There's too many unknown factors. All we can really do is sit and wait.

earnest leaf
#

at best it might alleviate a few things like queue times, but otherwise it's a bad idea

wicked pendant
#

Now to bring this channel back on-topic:

#

LMAO SHOCK WASHED

balmy wolf
#

i mean

#

your arguments are bad

#

cause they are not true

digital cloud
#

so you think, but we will have to see

#

after all, we don't actually know, do we

balmy wolf
#

no we dont

earnest leaf
#

Shock needs to just run one lineup and never change it

digital cloud
#

has it been implemented

#

if not, then we can see later

balmy wolf
#

but we can all agree we need a change

shadow dagger
#

no, we don’t. which is why we should stop making blanket statements like “it will be good” or “it will be bad”

balmy wolf
#

it might not be the best

earnest leaf
#

5v5 bad until proven otherwise

digital cloud
#

I think it will be bad

#

I don't know it will be bad

balmy wolf
#

but its atleast something

digital cloud
#

maybe it won't be

wicked pendant
#

At the most, I feel like they should only be swapping out one player, which I think they're working on with how much we've seen the Viol2t Lucio.

balmy wolf
#

we need a change

digital cloud
#

personally at the very least, I enjoy tank duoing

balmy wolf
#

if u deny that

trail perch
#

Glister flex ans hitscan

digital cloud
#

I know for a fact that 5v5 won't have

balmy wolf
#

youre delusional

trail perch
#

get rid of nero

earnest leaf
digital cloud
#

I never said we don't need a change

#

we don't need 5v5

balmy wolf
#

the other guy

digital cloud
#

ah, my bad

earnest leaf
#

nero been fine

#

Nero imo has been one of the best players on shock this season

digital cloud
#

nero has looked solid to me as well

#

I think moth was probably the big loss

earnest leaf
#

nah

wicked pendant
earnest leaf
#

Junkbuck was the biggest loss

digital cloud
#

that and shock can't decide on a core

wicked pendant
#

(FDGod MECHANICALLY best Lucio btw I cannot be convinced otherwise)

noble nexus
#

they also need to either, somehow convince either fdgod or viol2t to play more passive or bench viol2t for twilight

wicked pendant
#

Viol2t has been doing some WEIRD shit lately, yeah.

earnest leaf
#

me no like viol2t main support

noble nexus
#

he's just been playing like normal for him but without moth to keep the rest of his team up

#

viol2t main support needs to go too

earnest leaf
#

Viol2t was the best flex support for a fucking reason shock

#

keep him on FS

#

Please

vagrant cargo
#

alarm>

balmy wolf
#

sign ojee next year

#

ez

vagrant cargo
#

ojee atlanta

#

i mean if the atlanta super team rumors are real then jeez

balmy wolf
#

damn

earnest leaf
#

Now just sign a better OT than hawk

vagrant cargo
#

pelican proper kai someone attack ojee finn

balmy wolf
#

im gettin exited

earnest leaf
#

And find a good monkey/ball player

#

so gator can swap in and out with them

vagrant cargo
#

with hawk gator iri5 on the bench

#

and edison ig?

#

thatd be a title contender fosho

earnest leaf
#

iris has been good though this season

balmy wolf
#

edison traded

vagrant cargo
#

iris is good

balmy wolf
#

yeah iris good

vagrant cargo
#

but finn is next level

balmy wolf
#

tbh

#

we only need a tracer monke and brig

vagrant cargo
#

edison is a good tracer

balmy wolf
#

weak spots

earnest leaf
#

legit

#

just drop hawk

vagrant cargo
#

pelican is a cracked tracer

#

yeah hawk is mid

balmy wolf
digital cloud
#

grab piggy off houston

vagrant cargo
#

pelican tho

digital cloud
#

just yoink him

earnest leaf
#

grab a monkey player, a better OT, and maybe upgrade MS

vagrant cargo
#

idk piggy is kinda overrated imo

balmy wolf
#

hawk is cracked

#

on dva

vagrant cargo
#

if i was atl id take clestyn

#

hawks dva is good

digital cloud
#

best sigma in league

#

cracked at other ots

#

probably cheapish

earnest leaf
#

Piggy is like a lot of OTs

#

great sig, dva is much more underwhelming

digital cloud
#

his dva holds up pretty well

earnest leaf
#

I will say one thing about piggy

#

his sig ults

#

are fucking godly

#

They ALWAYS get value no matter what it seems

#

Barely seem him whiff one or waste it

wicked pendant
#

True.

#

Indisputably the best Sigma in the League.

earnest leaf
#

nah not indisputably

#

I think void/hanbin/gargoyle/choi are all super good at sig too

feral zodiac
#

Is Michelle any good

balmy wolf
#

no

#

zarya fine#

feral zodiac
#

Wouldn't they be among the worst off tanks outside of the bottom 3 teams then

tropic herald
#

much like garg

earnest leaf
#

definetly

next mesa
#

based on blizzard's track history

#

there's no reason to believe that they will balance well for 5v5

next mesa
hollow bough
#

Anyone know when we're getting this spray?

tropic herald
#

that was a while ago iirc

plush grail
hollow bough
#

Yeah, we still haven't received it

tropic herald
#

i guess we havent which is weird bc i remember it being shown off during jj

hollow bough
#

Yeah, I remember seeing it too which reminded me lol

#

A shanghai spray hasnt been announced either

worn falcon
#

Hot take - Mayhem and Shock are not massively underperforming. The quality of gameplay and competition in NA has just gone up a ton.

Instead of flaming those guys, why not applaud the teams doing well this year? I swear the OW community has been more and more negative

Likes

1212

plush grail
#

ya see i wanna agree with him

#

but still

#

it's dpei

worn falcon
#

what does even that means?

#

if came from crusty you 100%

#

or GetAmazed?

earnest leaf
#

mayhem are 100% underperforming

#

And I think shock also are underperforming

#

But I think previously when shock underperformed, they still could win because most teams weren't able to catch on to it

#

But this season rosters can punish when shock isn't at their best

noble nexus
#

dpei saying that because his team's best achievement has been beating shock l0l

earnest leaf
#

lmao

hot onyx
tribal canopy
#

Very hot

hot onyx
#

About as hot as Joe

noble nexus
#

Very hot take 👍

raw ermine
#

joe who?

trail perch
#

This is the guy that lost fissure

#

managed to underperform with Decay and Void

#

Managed to underperform with Kevster and Birdring with Space

#

And is still underperforming with a top team

noble nexus
#

it's obviously sarcasm lol I don't think anyone here thinks dpei is a good coach

trail perch
#

i really hope so

raw ermine
#

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The National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) encourages people residing in states along the Atlantic coast to download the FEMA mobile app and learn about how to prepare for hurricanes by visiting Ready.gov and Listo.gov. The Atlantic hurricane season began on Tuesday, June 1, and ends on Tuesday, November 30.

#

this is what happens when elsa retires

mortal abyss
#

He wants revenge for the may melee

noble nexus
#

stop pretending

earnest leaf
#

the height difference between lip and void is great

idle gorge
#

think i can still get enough tokens for ana in the 2 weekends, i got 85 rn

ivory stag
#

sadge why ana of all heros

feral zodiac
#

Wtf lip is a giant

north relic
#

the new ana skin's gun is beautiful

north relic
tropic herald
#

LIP is somewhere between 6’3-5 and Void is somewhere between 5’4-6

north relic
#

the hair must be an extra 5 inches

north relic
#

with 2 dps tourney skins and 1 support so far, do you reckon the next one is going to be a tank?

gusty rampart
#

Idk

#

Most likely no because they haven't like promised it

#

Remember tanks were the last all stars skins and Shock vs The World Hog

hollow bough
#

hope it's another support skin

hollow bough
tawdry hamlet
#

Ice was released as well hmm

#

They wish him success with his new team, which is more bait and speculation for a titans signing droidcry catplobbers

#

Just tell us it's bait already

earnest leaf
#

I'm messing with the owl standings website

#

and there is a scenario in which shock is bottom 4 in NA

north relic
#

i can see that

earnest leaf
#

due to poor map differential among 2-2 teams

north relic
#

worse than defiant, justice, and boston is a stretch though

north relic
hollow bough
#

this tourney

earnest leaf
#

Also if shock somehow squeak on by

#

They better pray houston doesn't make the #1 seed

north relic
#

i dont understand why we are making so many scenarios for shock

#

we dont do this for other teams

earnest leaf
#

Because it's a more popular team that is expected to do well

#

also I'm bored and wanted to see how hard it is for them to get in

stuck radish
#

because love them or hate them shock is the face of OWL currently

#

most popular team

tropic herald
#

Shock stagnated this off season and the league caught up and now Shock fans know what it feels like to be the rest of the league

north relic
#

iirc they are the most viewed team

#

With Dallas justice and titans or smth

tropic herald
#

It’s probably Shock Dallas Titans LOL

north relic
#

Missing one though

#

I think reign?

tropic herald
#

Shanghai Seoul would be watched more if they weren’t apac

#

Reign Houston Glads one of those

north relic
#

Apac games for me are at 3 am

stuck radish
tropic herald
#

5am but I wake up for Shanghai games o7

earnest leaf
#

Shouldn't be near the end of the 3rd stage and still figuring out what lineup to run

north relic
#

Entire league just got 3 times better this year other than winless teams

earnest leaf
#

I know other teams got better

stuck radish
#

will vancouver get a win this season

earnest leaf
#

On paper shock is still top 3

north relic
earnest leaf
#

shock doing some weird shit though roster wise

north relic
#

Viol2t lucio shouldn’t be a thing

earnest leaf
#

yea

#

They just can't figure out what to do for their permanent lineup

#

they change it up way too often

#

Look at all the winning teams atm

stuck radish
#

fdgod is doing something for sure

trail perch
earnest leaf
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They don't swap in players constantly

stuck radish
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no way they put viol2t in for lucio and mercy if their main support is available

earnest leaf
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Viol2t's lucio is not better than fdgod's

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Fdgod had like two bad games and people think he's dogshit

trail perch
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fits better with the team

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doesnt feed as much

earnest leaf
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Lemme re-phrase

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Fdgod wasn't the issue

north relic
stuck radish
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viol2t feeds a lot though