esports-discussion

[plush grail]

what do we do if titans beats outlaws

[rain widget]

Yeets the board

[plush grail]

assume titans is good now?

[mortal cipher]

that not fun

[chilly jolt]

die

[plush grail]

outlaws bad?

[devout path]

Outlaws bad

[mortal cipher]

outlaw washed

[plush grail]

if titans beats outlaws that means that titans > outlaws > shock

[mortal cipher]

vancouver activated

lol

[chilly jolt]

no we would have to search the computers on vancouver's roster

immediately

[mortal cipher]

yeah

because that would have to be hacking

[ivory stag]

if titans win at least 2 maps ill shave my head

[mortal cipher]

theres only liek 2/3 good players on vancouver

[plush grail]

still crazy how some owl players play from their own bedroom and dallas has a special dallas themed fucking interview room

[mortal cipher]

if titans win a map ill be shocked

some teams are together and some not yet

[remote siren]

Anyways

[mortal cipher]

anywho

[remote siren]

Do you think titans go on the list tonight?

[mortal cipher]

the list??

?

of

[remote siren]

Im saying titans go on the list

[mortal cipher]

wot list

[remote siren]

Their players arent good enough to not go on the list

[mortal cipher]

oh the ibm list

[remote siren]

@mortal cipher you dont know the list?

[mortal cipher]

is it the ibm

[remote siren]

No

[mortal cipher]

oh

[remote siren]

The amount of time a team has been aced

[tawdry hamlet]

[mortal cipher]

oh thqat list

3-niled

[remote siren]

We call it the list because its very presitfious to get put on

Not just a 3 0

[mortal cipher]

yeah

3-niled is the same as 3-0

[remote siren]

You dont get a single point

In the entire series

[mortal cipher]

oh so swept every map

[remote siren]

Yeah

The 3x sweep

[mortal cipher]

triple sweep

does a single like point count but not winning the map

or does that not count

[remote siren]

If they got one point in the entire series

Its called a near ace

[mortal cipher]

yeah but not win the map

liek get a single tick or percentage but still get swept

[remote siren]

Oh no

[mortal cipher]

tiek to get swept vancouver

[north relic]

That was only the first match

Damn

[mortal cipher]

nei more breadsticks

yeah wow

that was long

[remote siren]

You just need to make sure that the team doesnt have objective wins

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[remote siren]

Like you go 2 0 on control

[mortal cipher]

ok how many losses have vancouver had since 2019

[cursive plover]

Is there any info on the tournament sprays? I don't think the May melee one's even out yet... Anyone have any idea?

[mortal cipher]

or since they became trash

[remote siren]

Like aces?

In totap

[mortal cipher]

jsut losses

in general

[remote siren]

This season

[digital cloud]

breadsticks today pog

[remote siren]

They have never went to 5

[ivory stag]

a titans breadstick joke how original

ah Ha

[digital cloud]

soe made the joke, not I

[remote siren]

Titans have never seen two control maps

[mortal cipher]

pulse bomb is the most likely

[hollow river]

melee too

[mortal cipher]

or re-mech

[remote siren]

I think they went like 4 12 or something in season 3

[ivory stag]

dva ult eat too

[mortal cipher]

ah i see

[remote siren]

So 22 losses

[mortal cipher]

ok as bad as they are they can go 0-42 right ???

cant

[remote siren]

If the league was 40 games long

[mortal cipher]

ok 22 losses overall

[remote siren]

They uwold got 0 50

[mortal cipher]

wow

they may overthrow shanghai

[remote siren]

Theyre worse

Worst team in owl history

[balmy wolf]

still on the first game

[mortal cipher]

they havent gotten 0-42 yet tho

[balmy wolf]

damn

[remote siren]

Shangai was consistneky getting map wins

And forcing teams to 5

[ivory stag]

wait who went 0-42? lmao

[balmy wolf]

shanghai

[mortal cipher]

even 0-42 shanghai were close to winning

[ivory stag]

really

[remote siren]

Titans are a joke team

[ivory stag]

how they go from 0-42 to godly they buy a wehiole new team looooool'

[mortal cipher]

yeah

london is the best trash team

[remote siren]

When you play titans the option isnt win or lose

Its ace them

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[remote siren]

Rgeular sweep

[mortal cipher]

basically

[remote siren]

Or 3 1

[mortal cipher]

whos the best titan player

[remote siren]

And the one map lost is becaude the other team throws

[ivory stag]

when they gonna put titans spitfire against each other i want a battle of the turds

[real gyro]

other than fearless dragons replaced everyone for 2020

[mortal cipher]

at the end

[remote siren]

Spitfire sweep titana

[mortal cipher]

that would be titans v valiant

[remote siren]

They took sfs to 5

[tacit skiff]

preds?

[mortal cipher]

yeah easily

[rain widget]

The Titans bad?

[mortal cipher]

london are that bad anymore

[ivory stag]

as long as its 2 of the 3 shit teams to go at it i wanna see at least one guarenteed win to someone

[remote siren]

But valiant full held philly

[mortal cipher]

london are looking not trashy anymore

[mortal cipher]

so titans are sure shite

[real gyro]

prepare for absolute domination

[mortal cipher]

they are the complete most skit team

[remote siren]

Tyhe are the owl team of all time

[mortal cipher]

yeah fr

[rain widget]

Then I'll root for them

[remote siren]

Outlaws need to play meme comps

[mortal cipher]

i remember when i thought they would be good

[rain widget]

As someone who is also bad

[mortal cipher]

same

im semi decent

[rain widget]

Like a good underdog story

[fervent acorn]

i'm so sorry man wow.....

[mortal cipher]

yeah but this underdog without a chance in hel

ouch

[rain widget]

[mortal cipher]

well here comes the massacre

[fervent acorn]

i feel bad dude

[mortal cipher]

[plush grail]

yesterday during paris vs titans i noticed that changsik just does not communicate

[mortal cipher]

this is sad seeing how they were in 2019

[fervent acorn]

31-2

[remote siren]

This should be on the background

[plush grail]

either he was resetting or did just not ask for help when he got frozen

[rain widget]

Nah it's okay

[idle beacon]

re. i had to fix some food. couldn't watch the rest of rain vs fools .. .who won?

[plush grail]

dallas 3-2

[ivory stag]

everyone has to be shit for at least one full season this is theres next could be shock or dallas or someone

[idle beacon]

damn it 😦

[ivory stag]

titans will bounce back one year

[idle beacon]

was is close?

@plush grail

[mortal cipher]

one year maybe

if they get good palyers

[plush grail]

don't really know, tuned in near the end

[idle beacon]

ok ty

[mortal cipher]

it was a reverse sweep for parise

[idle beacon]

titans are benching linkzr against outlaws? O.o

[mortal cipher]

why

thats about one of the only good player

they have

they have around 1-3 godo players they rest are skit

ouch

[real gyro]

titans have 0 good players

[idle beacon]

teru and dalton are dpsing for titans

linkzr is a good player

[mortal cipher]

they have like one maybe

[mortal cipher]

this is about it

[idle beacon]

and he's benched. imagine that :S

[real gyro]

shredlock, ksaa and shockwave were good but they lost them

[mortal cipher]

shockwave went to Philly

[ivory stag]

can you borrow other teams players? is that legal if i were titans id borrow a few from a diff team for one or two matches lol

[remote siren]

If I was titans i woukd get old washed up players

Because they can get atleast 4 wins

[mortal cipher]

i would just get be*8er player

[rain widget]

Get some veterans

[mortal cipher]

fr

[remote siren]

They have a washed up linkzer

[idle beacon]

i really dont understand why they've benched linkzr for the first map

[remote siren]

Thats their veteran

[mortal cipher]

yeah only good palyer tehy have

[remote siren]

Linkzr used to be so good in season 1

[real gyro]

but hes not currently good

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[remote siren]

Like a top 10 dps

[mortal cipher]

hes ok

[real gyro]

hes mega washed

[remote siren]

But now he washed

[mortal cipher]

not rlly good anymore

[idle beacon]

washed like in?

[remote siren]

Not even sbb is that washdd

[mortal cipher]

not good anymore

[idle beacon]

like worn out

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[remote siren]

Nah

[idle beacon]

linkzr rly that washed?

[mortal cipher]

kinda

[remote siren]

Worn out means tou have played lots

[rain widget]

What happened to him?

[remote siren]

And are too echausted

[mortal cipher]

ah i see

makes sense

[rain widget]

Ooh

Yeah

[remote siren]

Linkzer has played zero games

[mortal cipher]

hes been here since 2018

[idle beacon]

danteh is playin since s1 .. how is danteh not washed?

[north relic]

Potato

[mortal cipher]

he played against toronto

[remote siren]

In the past 2 seasons

[idle beacon]

linkzr has been playing from the start of OWL

[remote siren]

And he gets rolled

Recently

[idle beacon]

he was inactive? didnt know that

[remote siren]

Like in s3

Or s2

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[north relic]

I mean fearless has played since s1

[remote siren]

Hedeidnt play that much

[hollow river]

titans can't even get a kill smh

[remote siren]

Fearless used to be a meme player

[mortal cipher]

fearless got sent away in s1

and came back in s2 and 3

[remote siren]

But now he is mvp candadite

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[remote siren]

Not in s2

Season 3

[mortal cipher]

because s1 and 2 was rough for shanghai

[ivory stag]

i feel like changsik just is never on same page during team fights

[idle beacon]

wasn't linkzr in outlaws?

[mortal cipher]

but season 3 he was excellent

[rare gust]

My favorite thing about being a Titans fan is watching them get rolled over 😭

[digital cloud]

“Nothing like being in a bush” - Uber

[mortal cipher]

thats wot werte here for

[tawdry hamlet]

That tends to happen with players who join a team halfway through the season

[remote siren]

@rare gust move to toronto

[tawdry hamlet]

And are on ping

[north relic]

Paris and Toronto have done well

[rare gust]

me to my gf earlier this morning: you ready to watch our boys lose?!?!

[north relic]

Had to add this

[mortal cipher]

hehe lol

[remote siren]

"Gf"

[north relic]

Good friend

[rare gust]

It's okay, no number of losses can make me not stan our boys

[rare gust]

can we not?

[tawdry hamlet]

Changsik also hadn't played in two years lmao

[mortal cipher]

yeah i feel im a london fan and shanghai so ik

[idle beacon]

ah yea.. the ping topic. are some players still forced playing with 160ms and up?

[remote siren]

Why do you support vancouver

[mortal abyss]

No

[remote siren]

Are you a run away fan?

[mortal abyss]

I don’t think any players are playing on 160 ping

[mortal cipher]

vancouver used to be good sadly

[remote siren]

Or do you live in western canada?

[mortal abyss]

Apart from maybe on paris/London games

Even then

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[north relic]

How much ping is changsik on

[mortal cipher]

not sure

[mortal abyss]

He would be on like ~110 ish ? At least that’s my experience from people playing from kr to na

Maybe a bit less

[mortal cipher]

eyah

[tawdry hamlet]

[rare gust]

Geographic proximity and also it's fun to root for the underdog and have zero expectations

[remote siren]

You know thats a trash org right?

[rare gust]

Yep!

[wicked pendant]

Linkzr in

[remote siren]

That wont change anythinf

Linkzer is mega giga washed

[rare gust]

People don't need to convince me how bad the Titans are lmao

[remote siren]

He cant even start over dalt n

[rain widget]

Losing is a good motivator, and it seems they've lost a plenty

[wicked pendant]

I wonder if there's an actual language barrier with Changsik. Maybe that's why we don't see him comm a lot.

[rain widget]

Maybe

[plush grail]

I'm convinced my man does just not comm

[mortal cipher]

oof

[tawdry hamlet]

Danteh 1000 iq

[mortal cipher]

fr

[tawdry hamlet]

He's literally just not even trying he's just setting up killing and waiting lol

Crimzo nade won the fucking widow duel bruh

[remote siren]

Cmon

[tawdry hamlet]

[mortal cipher]

oof

[remote siren]

No nes record

I wanted a 5 min time bank

[kind ridge]

how come new york doesnt have any alternate kits

[remote siren]

Imagine

If shnaghi played titans

Like if shanghai played full tryhard

[tawdry hamlet]

Dalton running a train 🚂

[kind ridge]

or washington

[real gyro]

washington does they jjust never use it

[remote siren]

Titans are on the board

Finally

[dreamy cave]

Are the outlaws actively turning into the outLULS??

[real gyro]

they just lost a point

thats it

now theyre holding well

[earnest leaf]

God changsik is so bad

[remote siren]

Outlaws are pkaying for fun

[earnest leaf]

Legit if titans replaced roolf and changsik they might win a game or two

[remote siren]

Dw

@earnest leaf its not that simple

[barren quest]

Isn't Changsik also playing on high ping

[remote siren]

Thhatsnot an excuse

This entire roster is so fucking bad

Like 2 good ones

The rest are either trash, washed, or wintrading

[slow lodge]

And fire

Rolf and Fire threw that game so fuckinf hard

Double support ulting when the team was split

[earnest leaf]

Fire isn't great, but he isn't as bad as the other two

[barren quest]

Is Changsik worse than Shredlock?

[earnest leaf]

Yes

Somehow

[ivory stag]

Sym= just hold left click

[willow drum]

wait outlaws?

oof

struggled

[ivory stag]

ggs lol

[balmy wolf]

how long was that

solid 40 second stagger

[north relic]

I left when Dallas won

Game is over

[ivory stag]

now i see why he called piggy lol

[balmy wolf]

atlanta reign

lole

[ivory stag]

titans lost who would have guess oh no lol

[north relic]

Is birdrings sombra good

[idle beacon]

can't wait to see outlaws being rolled asf

[north relic]

Justice mayhem preds?

[balmy wolf]

[north relic]

Justice 3-2 for me

[north relic]

So it’s bad

[balmy wolf]

not saying that

just

[wicked pendant]

Oh

I got Regular

POGGERS

[north relic]

Nice

[fossil prawn]

Hi

[hot onyx]

Wiener balls

[sand cloak]

thoughts on twilight throw?

[hot onyx]

Accidental

[wicked pendant]

Clearly some sort of miscommunication regarding the TP

[sand cloak]

i dont really like shocks new roster

[hot onyx]

Pretty sure he meant to go through with Super and Nero

And the tp broke when Twilight went through

[wicked pendant]

Agreed.

[sand cloak]

super said twilight wanted a crossfire

but tp wasnt in a good spot

[wicked pendant]

Piggy real bad at these post-match interviews lol

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean I doubt his english is great lol

[wicked pendant]

The interview was in Korean

[feral zodiac]

Originally it was going to be 3 tping

But tp got destroyed instantly so only twilight tpd

[tawdry hamlet]

yeah and danny always talks hella fast to save time after speaking the english part so he has to like formulate an answer and then respond after we have heard the question twice already so we are waiting for the instant answer lol idk I imagine being on the spot hard

[wicked pendant]

Even the desk commented on how empty the answers were. He's just bad at it, which is fine.

Doesn't make him any less of a killer Off-tank.

[sand cloak]

hows dallas doing?

[wicked pendant]

"It's time to mate"

[sand cloak]

tryna see pine on stage again

[wicked pendant]

People doubting Dallas since yesterday, but they're still comfortably up there.

Not completely dominating, though, that's for sure.

[willow drum]

I'd doubt em

a little e

tbh

weak performances currently

Next finals, Shanghai is posed to take it

[tropic herald]

he just pressed w and m1

[feral zodiac]

Gargoyle rein???

Is oge that bad

[tropic herald]

doesnt matter how good u are if ur boomed

[willow tartan]

Did I miss the memo? Why is gargoyle on rein and checkmate on dva

[tawdry hamlet]

Loll

florida getting creative

[feral zodiac]

Who is the florida Head coach

[wicked pendant]

Florida just throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what sticks

[tropic herald]

kuoki

[feral zodiac]

Ah, the kuoki ketamine

[tribal canopy]

What did they write in chat?

[feral zodiac]

Sex and big dick

[rain widget]

that allowed?

[feral zodiac]

They didn't write that

[rain widget]

oh

[feral zodiac]

Ngl justice are rolling

[rain widget]

Yikes

We allowed to use the viewing party thing or no

[earnest leaf]

The kuki ketamine is in full effect

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/frdwnr/status/1411818626919800833?s=20

frdwnr (6’5) (@frdwnr)

they cant hurt me.. ive lived this b4

Twitter · Jul 4, 2021, 10:46 PM

[vernal tendon]

omg those tiles do look like teeth in spawn wtf

why widow in double shield 🤨

[feral zodiac]

Mayhem washed

[vernal tendon]

thank god bob switched to ashe

switched way to late

[ivory stag]

bqb

[worn falcon]

ur mom

pray for OGE

[feral zodiac]

Ur mom deez nuts

[dreamy cave]

This is kinda tough

Justice is working mayhem

Rip

[rain widget]

Lol

July 4th giving them a buff

[feral zodiac]

Imagine yaki on a team like shock or glads

[earnest leaf]

Yo imagine

if shock got pelican in the off season

and kept moth

and junkbuck

or just kept their 2020 roster

[noble nexus]

anyone but fdgod

[feral zodiac]

Shock 2020 roster would legit be a threat to so many teams

[earnest leaf]

imo shock's 2020 roster was the best roster to ever exist in owl

I don't think any roster will ever be as strong as that one

[feral zodiac]

Depends on how this season ends

Shanghai and fuel could end up equaling it

[earnest leaf]

nah

Their rosters are super good

but the 2020 shock roster was op

[feral zodiac]

Idk man, shanghai and dallas are op rn

Literally untouchable

[earnest leaf]

they almost won as many finals as they had losses last season

[willow tartan]

Shanghai fleta lip diem erster 🙏

[feral zodiac]

Fair

[earnest leaf]

yea too bad they never bench fleta and lip

[feral zodiac]

But they played in weaker tournaments than the current teams

Other than the grand finals

[dreamy cave]

Justice 3-0 Florida

[earnest leaf]

also I mean like the roster on paper is just better

than any other roster in ow history

[feral zodiac]

It is close

Right now yes, but I think the winner of this season may give them a run for their money

[ivory stag]

mayhem getting 0-3d sadge

[feral zodiac]

Inb4 all of 2020 shock gets back together in the break before playoffs

[earnest leaf]

Andy miller would go broke attempting that

imagine the buyout to get moth back lmao

[feral zodiac]

True

[earnest leaf]

and junkbuck

[feral zodiac]

Imagine rascal

[willow tartan]

striker rascal is cheating

[feral zodiac]

Ans striker rascal dps line

Viol2t twilight moth supp line

Smurf super choi tank line

[willow tartan]

fearless void > smurf choi

[feral zodiac]

3-2

[rain widget]

Somebody gotta call a doctor

Nah

[feral zodiac]

Sadge

[rain widget]

Doctors

[feral zodiac]

F for mayhem

[rain widget]

F

[feral zodiac]

Got diffed by gesture and marvel

[rain widget]

Picked a poor day to fight them

[tawdry hamlet]

stand1 void did

[willow tartan]

roadhog

[feral zodiac]

Smurf > fearless in s3

Smurf more flexible

[tawdry hamlet]

Shanghai in their sombra meta against s3 shock would still lose imo

[dusty hound]

facts

[ivory stag]

a flaming pile of sh!t > 2cp maps

[feral zodiac]

This season it is fearless no contest

But last season smurf was best mt in the league

[willow tartan]

fearless orisa pro

his weakest tank would be like

ball

We haven't seen ball played at all by NA teams now that I think about it

[feral zodiac]

And his ball is very good

[willow tartan]

outside of the mirror match during grand finals

did any other teams ball?

[rain widget]

Gonna pause real quick

[feral zodiac]

I think chengdu did a few times

[rain widget]

Brb

[willow tartan]

any other NA teams*

[feral zodiac]

Oh

Nah

[willow tartan]

yeah last time we saw fearless ball was during the nexus cup

[ivory stag]

lol

[willow tartan]

before jj

[frank torrent]

Is Decay finally shaking off the mental block?

Also Mag was in really good form today

[feral zodiac]

Justice were able to play comfort picks

[frank torrent]

I'm not quite sure what's caused the Mayhem to fall so far so fast this year - they were being talked about as a frontrunner for the year back in the May Melee

[tacit skiff]

How did the Fuel struggle with the Mayhem when both the Justice and Uprising easily dealt with their insecurities

[frank torrent]

Also I was only catching the match in bursts - what exactly took Fuel to map 5 to take down Atlanta? I know Reign's supports are no slouch, but did they just come alive on their tankline finally?

Also Jesce needs some retraining - he's been getting picked early way too often lately

[earnest leaf]

Gator doing wonders to keep the match going

But hawk is their OT so they still lost

also forcing the wrong heroes at the wrong time

[frank torrent]

Oh so he's actually not overrated like people were saying back in June?

[feral zodiac]

They depend on meta even more heavily than justice

[earnest leaf]

Gator good rein/orisa

gator not so good monkey/ball

[feral zodiac]

Western tank can't play monkey but is good at rein/orisa

What a suprise

[earnest leaf]

pretty much

Then korean tanks can play monkey/ball

and orisa

but who can't play orisa

[feral zodiac]

Fearless lul

[tropic herald]

fearless oge notable

[feral zodiac]

Mag probably

[north relic]

Mag played orisa didn’t he

[mortal cipher]

the one time i change a pred it fails

[north relic]

I went justice 3-2

Still got the two points at least

[rain widget]

Justice seems pretty cool

[mortal cipher]

i originally did till how they played

[worn falcon]

andy miller would go more balder than it is, but junbuck seems comfy as coach

[mortal cipher]

and how florida played against dallas

[north relic]

The thing is I felt like it wasn’t Florida being good, just Dallas being bad that match

[mortal cipher]

yeah but justice was bad against atl

so i wasnt sure

[dark hedge]

damn it i missed the matches

[remote siren]

All the good tanks are korean

[mortal cipher]

oof

[remote siren]

Cmv

[mortal cipher]

yeajh

[dark hedge]

so mayhem went 0-4 right

[remote siren]

Gator rein orisa two trick

Super........lmao

Smurf cant play rein

Im riding a bike right now so much

[raw ermine]

missed matches, what was final score?

assuming a 3-0 for houston

I heard that ||mayhem lost 3-0||

ok got scores

[willow tartan]

frdwnr bad day?

[rain widget]

Poor Frdwnr

Lol

F

[willow tartan]

why dont the players just reconnect to avoid getting staggered 4head

[feral zodiac]

Oge sadge

[next mesa]

Would y'all rather have the shock 2020 roster before twilight, with Sinatraa and architect or after twilight where u lose those two but get twilight

[willow tartan]

before

twilight doesnt even play

or rather

didnt play much last year

im an architect simp

[earnest leaf]

honestly I take twilight

sinatraa/architect would have been benched 99% of the time anyways

[remote siren]

Sinantra architecht is like sparkle doha but better

[next mesa]

Doubt

Nah

Sparkle > sinatraa

Except on zarya

[remote siren]

But sinatraa outiade of goats or double shield

Is massive yikes

His tracer was decent

[north relic]

The only thing sintraa is better at is tracer

[remote siren]

His sombra was ok in sz one

His zarya

Is better

[next mesa]

Dohas sombra js better than both of theirs

[earnest leaf]

Sinatraa's best part was his leadership

his individual heroes generally were matched or bested by others

[frank torrent]

Can we talk about the Dynasty? What the hell is happening to make a 9-3 team so consistently shut out of playoffs? They appear to have a really damn effective game plan and a good bit of hero diversity - is Shanghai just looming over the entirety of APAC and shoving every single team in the region out of playoff potential?

The Hunters also look fairly competitive too - they put up a huge ruckus back in May and now we're back to no hero bans - what gives?

[next mesa]

Shanghai

is too good

[frank torrent]

I'm not really able to catch APAC matches due to my work hours, but something looks VERY off to have Dynasty and Fusion nowhere on the radar for three tournaments

And yeah, they did just squeak out a win against a 3-9 team so maybe there's some kinks in the armor, but even then

Chengdu put up a decent fight in May, and then NYXL got dumpstered in June the moment they hit playoffs

Are Dynasty and Fusion just getting sunk by Shanghai to perfectly drop them out of the running? Because that sounds like borderline rigged scheduling

[remote siren]

No

Sahnghai is singlehandely making apac look silly

They only drop games to avoid 4 0

[balmy wolf]

apac is just fucking terrible and everyone knows it

[remote siren]

No

Shanghai styles on them

The second best apac team would beat the second best west team

Shanghai shat on reign

[earnest leaf]

apac is a bunch of inconsistent teams shitting the bed and then shd beating them all most of the time

[noble nexus]

^

[remote siren]

And shanghai hsat on dallas too

[cursive oar]

😭

[remote siren]

Apac theyre all similar in skill kevek except valiant and shanghai

Which makes the region more exciting and fun then west

[balmy wolf]

yea expect we know nothing special is ever gonna happen in that region

dragons is the only team who represents the east properly

[remote siren]

Dallas is the only team that represent west

[balmy wolf]

and yet there are some teams in NA that look way more promising than the east teams

in a playoffs run i just see dragons + NA teams going far

[remote siren]

Huh

Every na team gets exposed

They get decmiated by dallas and dragons

Tehn ythe its finals between dallas and dragons

Mayhem went 2 2 in playoffs

Reign went 2 2

Like na teams arent the levek of dragons or fuel

[balmy wolf]

the gap is not as big in the east compared to the west

dallas is not stomping sweeping teams like the dragons

[willow tartan]

neither is the dragons but i guess right now theyre on a roll

you gotta remember that technically dallas did sweep during knockouts

[balmy wolf]

doesnt help knockouts are single elim

its 50/50 in knockouts

[willow tartan]

during the may melee they went 6-0

[timber plover]

Does anyone know what the best looking owl skin for mei is

I have her gold gun and was looking to buy a league skin for her

[willow tartan]

Shanghai dragons mei ofc

[next mesa]

seoul dynasty mei

[timber plover]

does Seoul dynasty go well with gold guns

[raw ermine]

[timber plover]

I’m not rly a fan of the dragons skins

[raw ermine]

^thats the colour scheme

so probably pretty well

[timber plover]

My thoughts were maybe dynasty spark or mayhem

[raw ermine]

pink black and gold

it's ok

[timber plover]

I can’t decide which one to get tho out of the 3 or maybe even a different team

[tawdry hamlet]

Shanghai is on a roll right now because they are finally able to run their comp from last year now that fate isn't feeding 24/7 and pools are gone

first tourney fate was still getting used to the team, second month sombra tracer arguably their top heroes were banned and now

now it is time

even with that fact they managed a win last month too in that weird champ meta that felt like a custom game

[north relic]

Seoul skins are the best

Maybe other than Toronto

[tawdry hamlet]

I think shanghai obviously wouldn't be as dominant in na but there is still a lot of evidence to support they would still be the top of the west

[north relic]

Beautifully

[north relic]

Yes

[tropic herald]

shanghai is gonna go 12-0

[timber plover]

I might go Seoul dynasty then

[north relic]

You can always check to see how it looks before you buy it

[tawdry hamlet]

it is fun to shit on shanghai for abusing the same comp against way weaker teams over and over but their tourney win last month I think proves even with teams like Dallas Shock Florida Washington Houston Atlanta in the west they would still be better than all of those and the only thing that would change is the scores would go from 3-0 to 3-2 or the occasional loss

although, if a hog meta shows up

that hog meta really tarnished their legacy of being the best because losing then made everyone start to say "well they were only so good because apac sucked" when they were likely top 2 in any other scenario regardless lolll

[timber plover]

Yea I can but I didn’t know what the skin looked like with the gold gun (not previewing the weapon but the whole skin with the weapon)

[tawdry hamlet]

Tldr, Shanghai really really good and it's finally time to stop denying it with apac as a region sucks 😭

My copium has run out it seems

Time to accept fate

[north relic]

Who even say Shanghai aren’t good

[tawdry hamlet]

You still see the bits of copium here and there with "if they weren't in apac Shanghai wouldn't be nearly as good" when truth be told nowadays they probably would. Because the middle of apac like spark Chengdu Seoul would probably be the exact same as facing Atlanta Florida Washington etc.

After watching fleta casually diff eqo carpe and profit on tracer while lip played Sombra was crazy, especially because it can be argued lip is the better tracer lol

[willow tartan]

fusion is literally eastern shock and you can't tell me otherwise

stacked roster, should on paper do good, flounders during knockouts

[tawdry hamlet]

If Fusion had beat Shanghai at least once I'd call them eastern shock, they look more like eastern glads to me

[north relic]

Aren’t glads better than shock though

[tawdry hamlet]

Nowadays yeah

[willow tartan]

shock kinda doo doo rn

[tawdry hamlet]

When I refer to shock I refer to like not this week of matches shock 😭

[willow tartan]

Hangzhou could beat shock

[north relic]

Debatable

[tawdry hamlet]

I don't get how they won against Dallas so easily

[north relic]

The shock?

[tawdry hamlet]

The only map they dropped that time was when they ran violet lucio

Yeah when they beat them

[north relic]

Rush avoided 4-0 that’s why

[willow tartan]

yeah well the match against London and Glads they kept running fucking violet Lucio

[tawdry hamlet]

They looked so good and coordinated against arguably the most coordinated team in the league then

[north relic]

Fuel has always done bad on their first matches of the tourney

[willow tartan]

violet lucio hurts me more than marvel dva

[tawdry hamlet]

Like Nero echo diffing and Smurf juggling jecse out of his ult was amazing

And then boom

Gone again

[north relic]

Why aren’t shock fielding fdgod

[tawdry hamlet]

Easily 3-0 waffle stomp mayhem, lose the next week

Shock confuse me

[willow tartan]

Crusty hates France

[digital cloud]

as he should

[north relic]

Have outlaws stopped the dreamer jake rotations

[tawdry hamlet]

It would seem so

[kind ridge]

fr*nce

[north relic]

Coach Jake doesn’t like jake rn

[tawdry hamlet]

Jake is actually a phenomenal player coach though

[north relic]

Shock only won against paris, makes sense

[kind ridge]

oh yeahhhh didnt realize that

[tawdry hamlet]

Jake and Junkbuck is an ideal coaching setup

I just like that Houston didn't make super massive upgrades, just got a better coach, rookies and a consistent hitscan and got the best out of them

[north relic]

Is junk the head coach

[tawdry hamlet]

Is piggy better than meko ever was?

[north relic]

Meko was very good at one point

[tawdry hamlet]

Harsha Junkbuck

[north relic]

Isn’t he like top 5 in final blows

[tawdry hamlet]

Are coaches

[north relic]

Even when he isn’t in the league

[tawdry hamlet]

Im not sure just remember him and jjanu were two names people were sad to see go

[north relic]

What happened to jjanu

Was he a free agent this season

[tawdry hamlet]

Retired

[north relic]

Only half of runaway titans remain

[tawdry hamlet]

But Washington grabbed fury before he officially retired iirc

So he could have been fa idk

[north relic]

Are there teams that could’ve used him

Jjanu

[willow tartan]

valiant

[north relic]

Without visa hell

[tawdry hamlet]

probably but after the titans thing and being stuck on 3rd worst team in the league for a season he probably wanted out lol

[north relic]

I don’t think jjanu would want to be on another shitty org

[willow tartan]

he's done with ow

[north relic]

Yea

What is he doing now

[remote siren]

Meko used to be very good

[north relic]

All I know is that bumper left to mentor checkmate

[remote siren]

Ubtil he became washed

In season 2

I dont think dallas looking this shaky will beat shanghai

[north relic]

Didn’t Elli play for justice

What was up with that

[tawdry hamlet]

Lullsish and ellivote both never touched a map iirc

[remote siren]

Shanghai is sweeping the other top teams

[tawdry hamlet]

visa issues

[north relic]

Didn’t elli play vs London

[remote siren]

Dallas is getting took to 5 by maybem nad reign

[willow tartan]

Shanghai should go 4-0... unless the random team they get swept by this stage happens to be valiant or hangzhou

[tawdry hamlet]

I think it was lullsish that never played and ellivote that played a single map when they were on justice

[north relic]

Not happening

[remote siren]

4 0 curse

Yikes

[willow tartan]

Hangzhou swept them last stage

Chengdu before that

maybe valiant sweeps the dragons imagine lol

[remote siren]

Shanghai throws to avoid 4 0 curse

[north relic]

There isn’t much of a point going 4-0’in apac

Shanghai doesn’t need the league points

[willow tartan]

Yes there is

[remote siren]

Its two good teams beside shanghai

[willow tartan]

League points still count for playoffs bro

[remote siren]

Nyxl

[willow tartan]

gotta collect them all

[remote siren]

Chafge

Hangzhou

[north relic]

Shanghai doesn’t need the league points

[remote siren]

Then valisnt

I guess

[north relic]

Still wouldn’t do it due to a curse though

Shanghai are guaranteed playoffs aren’t they

[willow tartan]

I don't think so

[north relic]

What placement do you need to get into playoffs

Not including the play on

For apac

Top 2

So the worse possible is that they tie for philly if Shanghai lose every game from now on

So Shanghai is basically guaranteed

So 8 teams make playoffs

Eight team double elim

[willow tartan]

How many teams from each region?

[north relic]

3 from na instantly make it

2 will make it from play in tourney

2 from apac instantly make it

1 from play in tourney

Idk how many teams go into play in tourney

Most likely going to be like the knockout brackets

[fallen turret]

When was the last time outlaws fielded ksf lol?

Or shock taiyo lol

[north relic]

Ksf came out when danteh had tescular torsion

[north relic]

Taiyo came out first week vs outlaws iirc

[fallen turret]

K

Do most other teams have perma benched players like that?

[kind ridge]

yea

colourhex maybe

[next mesa]

Taiyo didn't play first week I don't think

[north relic]

Fusions

[next mesa]

Wait or was Lijiang map first week

I forgot

[north relic]

Lijiang he went sym

It was outlaws right

[next mesa]

He played pretty bad

I forgot it was outlaws

[fallen turret]

I think he played against outlaws on lijang, also the only map hydration played

[worldly flax]

what's the next tourney after summer showdown?

[north relic]

Molly

Rapel

[north relic]

Countdown cup

[worldly flax]

ooh thanks

[timber plover]

How many tourneys is there gonna be

[north relic]

4

[kind ridge]

2 more

[north relic]

We are on our third

One more after

[timber plover]

Wait so 4 or 5

[north relic]

And then playoffs

[north relic]

Five if you count the play in tourney

[timber plover]

do they usually do tourneys like this in previous seasons or no

[north relic]

Last season

It started

[timber plover]

I feel like most likely there will be a summer showdown and countdown cup skin

[north relic]

There def will be

[timber plover]

It’s weird that they have a skin representing each tournament cus they didn’t do that last year

[north relic]

Summer showdown makes sense that it would be lucio but it apparently had been deconfirmed that its lucio

[north relic]

I think it’s a replacement of the mvp skins

Since there are no longer mvp skins

[timber plover]

oh ok but even the mvp skins were only once per season whereas the tournament skins are gonna be 4 this season

A lot more skins compared to mvp

[north relic]

Would t make sense for it to be for one tourney

[timber plover]

That’s true

[north relic]

No complains though

[timber plover]

No it’s def a good thing

especially when all the skins look amazing

[north relic]

Mei didn’t look good imo

[timber plover]

I loved meis skin but that’s probably personal bias

[north relic]

Doesn’t fit mei

[timber plover]

Many skins don’t fit heroes but blizzard still makes it work

[north relic]

Such as

[timber plover]

Dragoon

[north relic]

The thing is they changed meis whole ethnicity

[timber plover]

No… cornrows can be used by different ethnicities

it’s mainly used in the mma anyway

[north relic]

No it was her skin tone

[timber plover]

I don’t see a problem with it but to each their own I guess

[north relic]

Not going into that animal crossing debate

[timber plover]

Mmm the space buns

I wouldn’t like to go into that either

[tawdry hamlet]

Don't want any continuation but if you were curious why the debate exists
https://www.tidalequality.com/blog/inside-discrimination-leah-gordon

It is more about how blacks haven't been able to wear those styles for a long time in the workplace when it is their natural hair and culturally significant while white people just go and copy it like it's nothing. But moving on

If Philly doesn't get past knockouts this go around with how the rest of apac looks I will be very sad

[gusty rampart]

Mayhem starting to look bad

[slow lodge]

starting to?

[buoyant coyote]

How did the fusion do today?

Too lazy to look it up

[tawdry hamlet]

Got stomped 3-0

It was competitive the first two maps like actually close but still a 3-0 because fleta just went nuts and diffed eqo rascal and carpe like it was nothing

The lip Sombra fleta tracer works insanely well because lip just hacks the tracer fleta melts them easy reset

Hence why profit got bullied so hard

And fusion not having a Sombra is really bad for them

[slow lodge]

Fleta was just in a qp

Lip's neutral hacks were insane asf

[willow tartan]

shanghai kinda pogging

[balmy wolf]

since joining the owl

reign is 2-15 on map 5s

it hurts

cant even remember the last time we won that shit

prob 2 years ago

[forest raven]

Worst map 5 record in the league

Worse than Outluls

[idle gorge]

twighlight was actually the cause of shock losing junkertown, super explained it on his stream

[tawdry hamlet]

Yes sir

Teleporter strat

[forest raven]

Blaming singular players for losing games

The classic 1head take

[tawdry hamlet]

Are you trying to tell me twilight teleporting behind the team and insta dying wasn't his fault, sure he made a mistake but that was actually what lost them that one

[idle gorge]

^

there's no one else to blame for the junkertown loss than twighlight

and super explained that twighlight was great the rest of the match so ofc the full loss isn't on him, but the junkertown loss deff

[slow lodge]

Super also said they should have won that earlier

Before that 2nd point tp

But God, what a fucking play

[earnest leaf]

in theory the play unironically would have been good

But the tp was poorly placed

so it went to hell pretty quick

[idle gorge]

tbh, shouldn't whoever was playing sym have said where the tp was leading?

[devout path]

But like

Why would you take it

No matter what

[idle gorge]

he thought it was in a safer place, like on highground to put damage in from 2 sides

[forest raven]

Super also said Twilight thought the tp was in a different place

That's comm issues

[slow lodge]

Unless someone was going with you

A ulting moira is a sitting duck

[forest raven]

Top down coordination problems

[devout path]

You get to heal and damage through shields if you just stay where you are

[slow lodge]

Even if you are going for a cross fire

[slow lodge]

^

[idle gorge]

and he couldn't get back because the tp got deleted instantly

it was just a bad play

cause they had quite some ults i think

[slow lodge]

Danteh was unchecked on King's Row

Reminds me of the Shock v Atlants game.

Invisibilty cloak on Pelican and Danteh

[idle gorge]

i didn't watch the full match, kinda still need to, danteh is a crackhead sheesh that guy is unfairly good

[forest raven]

I made my own little power rankings and put Shock in b tier

[slow lodge]

I wonder why they didnt play fd twilight

[forest raven]

idk why Viol2t's been made the new MS

[idle gorge]

maybe cause they don't fully trust fd yet, he needs to learn a more passive role

[forest raven]

You don't solve that by not playing the man

[idle gorge]

i mean shock is agressive but fd is on another level

[slow lodge]

But you have Twilight to balance it out

[earnest leaf]

It must be some comms issue

[slow lodge]

That too yeah

[earnest leaf]

Who knows tbh

[idle gorge]

fd is in the us right?

[forest raven]

Yes

[earnest leaf]

Crusty is playing the support shuffle all the time

[forest raven]

Long past halfway through the season and they still have top down coordination problems and haven't solidified their support line

gg go next season

[idle gorge]

tbh why did super play junkertown, cause i always have the feeling 1st and 3rd point junkertown aren't great for rein, and smurf is so much better than him on orisa right

[slow lodge]

Pick up Tobi next season

[forest raven]

Super's been in for orisa most of the time this season

I think smurf just fucking hates orisa

[idle gorge]

but smurf is better at orisa right?

[forest raven]

He was in the past

[idle gorge]

cause last season smurf was their go to orisa

[forest raven]

Maybe super's better now

But who knows

We can only speculate

I feel bad for em all

[slow lodge]

Still don't know what they're doing with Taiyo

[idle gorge]

they need to find their groove

[devout path]

Free ans

[idle gorge]

wasting, everyone knew he wasn't going to play with nero and glister

nero plays everything taiyo plays but better

[devout path]

Give ans to Boston and let them win grand finals

[idle gorge]

taiyo should move to a team where he would get playtime

[slow lodge]

Isn't he a Mcree player?

Yeah

[devout path]

What team

[forest raven]

Can we just fast forward to the Shanghai Dallas grand finals

[idle gorge]

idk probably any really

[devout path]

I can’t think of any team

[slow lodge]

Msame

[devout path]

London

[idle gorge]

toronto, not bias at all

[devout path]

Actually

[slow lodge]

London has sparkr

[devout path]

Taiyo isn’t hitscan

[idle gorge]

but toronto havenaist

[slow lodge]

I thought he plays mcree?

[devout path]

Taiyo is fdps

[slow lodge]

Ah

[willow tartan]

yes i want to make fun of dallas fans again

[idle gorge]

nah he play genji and echo i think

[devout path]

He was like the genji player

[idle gorge]

pharah

[devout path]

So yeah just give to London

[forest raven]

[devout path]

They need a fdps

[willow tartan]

taiyo sparkr pog

[slow lodge]

Don'r they have blase for that?

[devout path]

Blase literally doesn’t exist

[slow lodge]

True lol

[idle gorge]

i was thinking of toronto but toronto have a good dps lineup

[forest raven]

@willow tartan ur team is fucking elite

[slow lodge]

I just want Shanghai to lose...

And Dallas

Is that too much to ask

[forest raven]

At this point I'm cheering for Lip and the boys

Lip is Danteh but better in every way

Lack of emotions included

[slow lodge]

I am Philly fan

[willow tartan]

the shanghai gang are so chill dude

[forest raven]

I think I've seen Lip smile exactly once

[willow tartan]

whenever you watch their comms

theyre always just relaxed

[idle gorge]

i love danteh, he's prolly my fav dps player to look at (keep in mind i don't watch too much owl)

[forest raven]

Watch Shanghai vods

FLip is elite

[idle gorge]

just a shame the meta is still mei rn

[willow tartan]

their content creation videos are cool as well

[idle gorge]

probably not better than shock's

[forest raven]

Shock still has the best social media

[willow tartan]

heres the legendary comms

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Sha3pAWcYA

[balmy wolf]

Houston is underrated

[idle gorge]

not anymore

when you win against shock, and have a great season, you can't be underrated

all of those heroes besides maybe reaper are covered by the other players

no nero got reaper right

[feral zodiac]

Genji?

[idle gorge]

still sad striker stoped

[idle gorge]

that's the reason shock got him

but a week after they got him he got nerfed

[feral zodiac]

So it isn't covered by other players

[idle gorge]

nero can play genji right

[feral zodiac]

Genji one trick lets go

[forest raven]

And I mean

[feral zodiac]

No idea

[forest raven]

Rascal was better at genji anyway

[feral zodiac]

He was on the same team as eileen so never played genji

[idle gorge]

nero^

[feral zodiac]

So reaper is not covered

Big dub

[idle gorge]

reaper isn't too hard tho, and he's also playing torb now, nero is really versitile

ta1yo just won't see playtime with the shock

[feral zodiac]

Can we get a prayer for ta1yo

[forest raven]

Honestly at this point if/when super leaves the shock I might just stop cheering for the shock

[idle gorge]

Will he tho?

I don’t think so super is too tied to shock and probably the face of the owl in general

[forest raven]

I think if super leaves the shock it's because he's leaving pro play all together honestly

And watching super everyday

It still seems very obvious he wants to compete

[idle gorge]

Super will play as long as he can, he likes it a lot and is really good too

And he’s really funny

[feral zodiac]

Super is practically the face of overwatch league at this point

[hollow bough]

Did you guys see the soft cap controversy for overwatch league?

[forest raven]

Best rein in the world

[feral zodiac]

Yes

[forest raven]

With honestly a very good orisa too

[idle gorge]

Ye but I don’t fully understand it

[feral zodiac]

If it is true the league is royally fucked

Because they stopped a players union

[idle gorge]

What is a players union?

[feral zodiac]

An organisation that allows players to negotiate the salary cap, the minimum salary and their current salaries

[hollow bough]

Soft salary cap in overwatch league means any team that makes 1.6 million or above gets their winnings equally distributed to the rest of the teams. The players aren't unionized, so it

hold on editing this

[forest raven]

It's not that

The soft salary cap is for the team rosters