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ana is just so much better for fusion
what a tragedy
damn
ooof
it helps, cause I got home at 3am and have to be somewhere at 7
so I didnt want to sleep
best option --> OWL
fine choice - if it was physically possible with my schedule I'd rather watch from the encore
you just end up seeing the same match again with that easy to forget encore sticker
oh, I just watch the full stream and skip the breaks
so its basically the same, without the hype cause I already know the outcomes
anyways it's good you're here!
next week it's a Summer Showdown homestand
helps get your body ready being up at this hour
yeah, lol
I work night shifts, but I'm also at home rn, and my family wakes up at 9-10am
not a good combination
eqo is playing so well
that sleep was huge
nah he just prefers xarya on gib i guess
though they are running cree
alarm is so fucking hot oh my god
I dont really agree with the sombra pick
like the commentators were saying, nothing really to combo with
eileen is just bad at sombra
hes hacked like 2 people
one of which was a rllying brig
theres a lot of denial possibility, but emp farming is so bad
eqo is carrying
he emp'd what?
its so funny seeing the differences in primals
rio seems so passive compared to so many others
good emp
good or bad scare?
lol
eqo alarm and mano are carrying
alarm > viol2t
true
viol2t hasnt been that impressive this season
twilight being in is so much better for shock
Ana gameplay is just hot
hot granny
top 3 anas izayaki, twilight and alarm π
yup
nah its a joke
oh
haha
haha
people in the cp server had that up for months
"playing Cyberpunk 2077 for 8 months"
bruh everone says hes the best
i mean
tf ur talking bout
alarm is cracked and jacked
i met someone in this channel claiming he was overrated and inconsistent 
where's shockwave btw
in qurantinr

tbh against a spam compm like this rio is just taking poke so he can give kariv nano

fusion stalling
I feel like this kinda pause is so distracting to players
lmao kariv looked so confused
fusion pause a lot
usually not their fault
i remember people complaining about it
hmmm
but last time against hunters it was an automatic pause
"not their fault"?
and against chengdu the first time it was because of alarms dry eye condition#
theyre forced to pause
say
if someone on fusion dced
that's cause all of his bodily fluids go to his sweating
the game would pause automatically
oh
they cant control it
nanoblade time plis
KARIV DIFF
lackluster blade sadge
yeah, lol
I wanted a frag montage
everyone hid so fast
big boop
mandu???????
how much you wanna bet I can make this go to 40%
Another 2cp another draw
rascal staggered himself hard
I dont think it was winnable regardless tbh, the ult difference was huge after their initial push failed
help with what?
u know the gray and white leauge skins
yeah?
I watched 4 hrs of leauge but i didnt get them
can all countries get the skin or do u live in a countrie where i cant get the skin
the reward system is bugged sometimes
can i find a list on what countries that can get the skin
could be where r u from?
sweden should be fine
My friend in norway got it
sometimes its buggy
is it just regular league matches that i need to watch to get the skin
or is it certain
what skin is it even now?
wha
talking abt game btw lol
ur getting league tokens tho right?
hmmm okay i would just advise you to watch a bit more, the reward system is kinda shit, doesnt work perfectly
what was last season's skin again
mercy
wtf lol
ive got the skins later eventually even when i watched enough
i caught like 90% of the games last season and didnt get the mercy skin
i got it lol
lmao
alarm or eqo potm
esp cause i dont even want them
yeah
anyways shit match over
now the good match starts
guy won in life
loll
!jumbo 
Shanghai just better pog
crushing
aw man shockwave didn't play?
don't tell the encore watchers ||no || except on ||nah||
nnnoot even close
peofit doing air vs good teams as usual
crazy Blizzard XDDD
as much as i love love love is a better love
TOYOU DIED WITH ULT?????????
Hack
Team diff
Shanghai 3-1 stage again after philly sweeps them tomorrow
So, @LeeJaeGon_OW had a 94% kill participation on Route 66.
In case you didn't know, that's a lot. #ShanghaiDragons
wow
how
skill difference
Shanghai 
deserved
?
?
gg
f
Dominated
unfortunately Β―_(γ)_/Β―
Pretty sure Lip hit 1 player with 3 EMP's in that attack round
That was a bit of a stomping.
i wanted to see a little more resistance but shd outplays them way too hard
how long did that match take? :/
not even 10 min
40 minutes for the series was it?
including breaks yeah
Fate/Fleta look so in sync its crazy when they play Ball/Tracer
so more like 30 min
Yeah, they give them what, a 15 minute break after map 2?
damn that 3-0 
And thus
The inconsistency continues
8 minute break.
They prob boutta be knocked out in the knockouts again
I hope my ranked teammates look at this Lip Sombra play and stop telling me to get off Sombra :DDDD
I really hope not but even then shd will just beat seoul in semis if they made it in
2nd spot is likely a toss up between Philly/Seoul. Will depend on who can avoid SHD in the playoffs for SS
well, time for me to go to sleep
Oh dear, I predicted Seoul to win 3-2. o_O
I predicted shd to win even if i am a seoul fan
I also went PAR d SFS 3-2 and WAS d ATL 3-2. My picks are whaaaack this round
damn, totally forgot that it's OWL weekend
prediction for the following 3 matches?
how close was paris vs sfs ?
3-1
i know the score, i mean if it was an easy match for sfs or if it was a close one
Nepal was a close 2-1
Gib Shock held on 3rd for like 3 and a half minutes then kinda rolled on their attack
Hanamura was a really close 4-3 where Kaan went fucking bonkers
kaanan?
Hollywood was a not close 4-3, Shock capped with the 3rd fastest time ever, and on their attack won p much instantly
Kaan
Paris' flex supp
damn. so sfs didn't really look much stronger. so to say?
ye the dude they call kaanan π
I mean they literally capped Hollywood with the 3rd fastest time ever
or sometihng. because his ana is so dope
And the only reason Paris capped at all was because Onigod got like a 4k
but your conclusion? the young paris team having potential?
Kaan is unhinged
unhinged?
Very fucking good at the video game
never heard that, yet π
so a german being very fucking good at ow
phily vs charge .. i thought charge are strong. philly just overran them?
Charge is the 2nd worst team in APAC my guy
APAC seems to change week to week π
didnt they beat nyxl
that might go to nyxl
In a match that was almost worthy of the toilet bowl mantle
valiant
so apac is asian and westcoast. am i getting it right this time?
i mean most owl teams are asian
whats the other side called?
APAC and NA
and them euros?
They play in NA
NA for north atlantic?
North America
whatever.. i'll stick to them acronyms
outlaws vs sfs .. i dont know how good outlaws are atm. any prediction?
I think one of them will win
As a Shock fan I am setting my expectations low
we havent seen outlaws yet so i dont know what to expect
Nah Seoul got one point
I don't know if was aced, but it was something.
Wow
Shanghai 2021 champions
Shanghai extremely good at the video game
no shit, sherlock? π
Sganghai or d fuel new shock
We need to start rooting against them out of spite for being too good
nah .. SHD all the wya
Nearly everyone has been rooting against Shock since stage 2 of 2019 lmao
root against dallas fools, yes
Like how everyone's second favorite team is who ever faced the shock
I think season 2 was the worst year of overemwatch league
Bro what
Season 1 was exciting and funny
Season 4 is currently looking amazing
Season 3 was exciting
Season 2 was goats or rush
i never rooted for sfs
only liked seeing sin's zarya
always rooted for SHD, since s1
mainly rooting for smurf super tbh
die

fissure completly retired, ye?
That is acceptable
who smurf?
Super is annoying tbh
Super's great
just checked. haven't seen him before shock. so yea, didnt know who he is
What
Hiis voice hurts my ears
Smurf's been on the team since the beginning of season 2
his voice hurts your eyes? wat
[14:47] Dark:tm:: Hiis voice hurts my eyes
Super's great, but what's even greater is the people that get genuinely annoyed by his on camera personality 
Ears
Ive heard some people say hr is greatest owl played of all time
wat?
But he was never ever considered the best mt
Sometimes he wasnt even considered the best main tank on his own team
nah i dont like that toxic place
best rein but thats it
Sinatraa
I mean those people are dumb
Enve thoufh he played one good season
I've been watching super's stream since 2018 lmao
sin being best owl player of all time. might be doable, yea

ye i dont get the retirement
Let's not talk about sinatraa
just for the cash?
but then again
sin wasn't the only one who retired because the game got stupid
Imagine if nadal turned into super jesus on clay and grass
seagull aswell
For one year
Then he retired
And people called him the goat
The worst retirement was prob nennee
who was nennee again?
ye but who?
He played for the nyxl
gonna look at liqui
Back in the day
why did he quit?
After stage 4 he was never played
But 5nout of the players from the season 1 core are still playing
so he got retired
Yeah
sucks
Sbb was bettee on everything that wasnt zarya
lookin at his page he played alot of dps heroes
Satge 4
When there was role lock
Benched by Profit and Fits
ya, meaning that sbb isn't better
sbb was a strong tracer, yea
but i didnt like him on other heroes
i remember him screwing up on sombra
Sbb was the best tracer in 2018
And even then Boston got their 10-0 stage off the back of Striker's tracer
wasn't sbb also best tracer in 2017?
Sbb could play bastion to an elite level
nvm .. i dont know why i keep thinking that owl started in early 2017
His mcree was good
His sombra was top tier back in them days of seaosn 2
Nyxl ewnt undefeated because of it ij stage 3
well he earned his cash. so π
but out of all tracers i've liked strikers the most
and then libero
Not really
Libero was never a tracer player
She was like the one dps he didn't play consistently
π
If u think about it
If a player has a 350k contract
Which some top tier players probably have
U legit get paid as much as the titans roster
LoL players for C9 probably make more than the entirety of Spitfire
Also
@plush grail L
whats the lowest salary for players
$50k
Thatβs what itβs supposed to be but we know valiant isnβt paying that directly to players

How do I get into this esports stuff like you guys?
Not rein, tracer, sombra, or zen
Okay, thanks m8
I fell asleep early how was fusion
Fusion win a 2cp map challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
did they run shockwave or not, because if not I probably won't even watch the game
Nope
How was funnyastro?
you can also read up alot of extra infos on this page:
underrated I would say Jerry, Crimzo, eqo, overrated I would say decay, profit, jinmu, sado, maybe but none of those picks besides decay am I 100 percent
not really super hot
You thinking it's not super hot makes it even hotter
decay fumbled hard yesteday
empathy agrees with me
my point valid
also profit is hella overrated because of playoff performances and then has mediocre seasons where he has a few highlights but his team only wins like half their matches. He is a top tier tracer, everything else other players are better than him nowadays 
top 5 genji I guess
you can now mald 

Will watching these guys make me less trash
Quick empathy back me up I'm scared @tropic herald 
If you analyse them and pay attention and watch the replays where you can control what players you watch and pause whenever you want sure it'll help you improve
hmmmm
yes
get the replay viewer
you can analyze em
S: Dragons, Fuel
A: Shock, Outlaws, Reign, Glads, Fusion
B: Seoul, Hunters, Eternal, Spark
C: Uprising, Justice, Mayhem, Defiant
D: NYXL, Charge, Spitfire
F: Valiant, Titans
This is my tier list fro OWL teams
probably very cringe takes
Yeah but they won't lose games to the D tier teams
They're decent enough in which they could survive in C
Well two of them are in APAC so they can't even play them
The game against Defiant was close
Could see it going either way
With checkm8 on tank
maybe they do go to D
Checkmate is gonna get fucking rolled worse than OGE
who knows man
A flex dps who's never played main tank at a pro level before
He's gonna get pooed on
no
idk man
its a 50/50 for me
I'm a Shock fan but I'm keeping my expectations low
@tawdry hamleti wouldn't say overrated but i agree with you that he isn't as good as so many in here are claiming him to be. and well, he can't carry a whole team. if his teammate suq diq then it isn't him to be blamed. right?
Yeah
Cause it's a revenge match
does replay viewer work for console
And Outlaws is having Main Support issues
whats with outlaws mt rotation also
You say that like Shock isn't having issues with their support rotation
Ok so let's see then
The past Outlaws v Shock game
Outlaws won
Happy played incredibly well
And they played Ta1yo on the first map
And FDgod fed.
And it was still a 3-2 victory
And they didn't play Twilight
That could have gone either way
Yeah, and they didn't play him a lot either
And ult usage from shock was much worse
and it was still
taken
to a close map 6
It was literally one fight
and they only lost cause they got unlucky
It was like a rein shatter bug
that caused viol2t and supports to be shattered
So theoretically
Shock wins
how was it a bug?
Wasn't the supports on the car?
When jjangu came and shattered them
shatter always works like that im pretty sure
Shatter has always been bugged
Shatter's a cone
or exploited in some way
if shatter can climb stairs it can shatter cars
It makes no sense tbh
It's a cone
But it's fcking vertical
Like it has height
Eh whatever, point is, Shock should win
because they resolved most of the issues that held them back from winning the close series that could be decided on 1 singular ability/teamfight
Yes, it's a cone
Oh, I must be behind cause I'm watching Fusion vs Charge
Seoul just flops against shd every time
Yeah and there's always
that 1 match
where they and shanghai go to like map 8
Facts
seoul and shd .. to a 8mapper match?
when??
I'm being sarcastic
Wait no
I'm not
I think Seoul and SHD went to a 8 mapper
in one of the tourneys last year
Yeah May Melee
They went to a 8 map series
Wait nah I'm capping they had a 7 map series
No it was 7 maps
Shanghai Dragons reverse swept
Yeah i thought they had a draw in there
guess not, they went to 7 maps
Reverse Swept Seoul
honestly
I do think
If last year wasn't such hog meta
they could've challenged the shock to 1st
and made it good
Nvm, just forgot Leejaegon exists
Based
But without the dumb hog meta teams like Fusion Eternal and maybe even Charge probably wouldnβt have been smacked around like a sack of sand
ye
I honestly hated that meta more than goats
Crazy to think Paris Eternal went from being bottom 5 to top 10 to top 3 NA to bottom 3 NA to top 6 NA
the roller coaster
crazy to think how glads have stayed top 5 na
for so many seasons
Do tournament wins affect your seeds for monthly tourneys?
Seeding for monthly tourneys reset every tourney except the playoffs
It's funny because Paris fans can't decide if they are mad they sold out to Dallas or happy the budget roster has exceeded expectations lmao
right thats what I thought
lol
what is that color
I saw a twitter post by avalla about all the shit they got and then a comment said "don't let this victory make you think we forgave you, happy for the players but you guys are trash" lmaoo
New colour McGee
Org malders 
Out here flexing the green mario colour
π¨ Checkmate doubter alert π¨
Imagine not believing in a fdps player to mtd two of the best winston players in the league couldnβt be me
Ok tbh he genuinely might beat Washington
U suck
I donβt suck enough to lose to the Shock
How many teams haven't loss to the shock in NA?
As of this season
Its just Outlaws I believe
Iβm talking about Summer Showdown Shock
SSS
aka Summer Showdown Shock
I think looks better
personally
Little to no personal issues
The βViol2t acting like season 3 Jjonakβ Shock
The only thing holding them back is comms
The βyeah Super on a character that isnβt rein or genji isnβt a throw at allβ Shock
He's good on hog
Are you that big of a Shock Doubter?
Super brings mental stability and communications to the team
So is Gesture and look what happened when he tried to force that
Right but Super has good mental
and leadership and communication abilities
His Orisa and Monkey are servicable.
How is he a Rein 1t that is throwing on other MTS?
His Orisa is good, his monkey needs work but thats fine when you bring so much to the table besides actual gameplay
so I don't understand people that think Super is dog on characters besides Rein/Hog
Too many words not going to read π
LOL
Just go off ig, just saying you're wrong
And if you don't wanna argue with me then I won't with u
agree to disagree
Just feels odd to have one of the best orisa/winston players on the bench for a serviceable player on the basis of better communication
But weβre not in China so we have freedom of speech and weβre allowed our own opinions wether they are right or wrong
Ayyy
by servicable you mean bottom half
Also have you seen supers mental?
Unless your English is really good and youβre an escapee in that case ζΈ¬γ£γ¦
during goats he started soft throwing whenever the other side has sombra
when jjangu shattered him on lijang his mental was shattered
No, I don't mean bottom half
His Orisa is good
And his Monkey can be considered bottom half
How many bad orisas are there
And his mental is still probably one of the best we have in the league
A good amount
I would still take fearless orisa over super
Stand1
Stand1 wasnt bad at orisa tho
Copium
they still ran him over fearless
and look how far they got in OWL
lost to profit and friends
Tell that to the Summer Showdown apac finals
thats prob cause u have no insight on any kr players
No, I do.
think about it
Fearless most def has a stronger mental
having gone through 0-40 dragons
and still being on top
and then what about comms?
being able to inspire his entire team
Super was never a commer
that was always moth
He was the one that motivated
he didnt play half the season
But when he was in, he made calls
He inspired people when he was in
I seriously don't want to hear it from somebody with a catboy as a pfp
Ad hominums ok
I agree with the purple person because their opinion is the same as mine
Thank you luigi
Not spending my energy arguing over smth we still have little to no insights on
I thought u had insight?
You fell for the classic blunder but youβre welcome
Look, I like meming and trashing on Super as the next guy
My point is he's a valuable player
Super is way overhyped
And isn't actively throwing when he plays characters like Orisa
end of story
His rein isnt top 3
Ok, so who would you put as Top 3 Reins?
Top 3 reins?
MANO????
I donβt watch much apac so I have no opinion
just cause hes on philly doesnt take away from his talant
But Fusion is good at it
Who is the third then
Im thinking
Fearless Mano and Fusions
Someone like JJangu can be up there
Fusions???
wrong
ur all fucking wrong holy
Stand1 is #1 rein
its not even close
Gator rein is very good
its in his name
apac is shit on rush
Stand as 1
We all have opinions remember
People are sleeping on checkmate rein
if ur not a Stand1 fanboy what are you doing
Yeah there's no denying that
but top tier
People sleep on Twilight Mercy so much it hrust
Missed that one doom skin sadly
yeah fusions is the best rein in the league by far now that hydration and shredlock retired
sarcasm?
Oh ffs
Good
Idk if yall have seen this
but
nice
he still havent gave up https://twitter.com/BenBest_Ow/status/1410398277556740099
Sadge couldn't go further but it was a good grind, i will keep it up for the next season and comeback in the League π
191
posted for the eight time
but who would contract some eu player?
posted for the ninth time
This could be bad for owl
I think getting rid of salary caps actually helps owl
cause teams can just dump money and start dynasties
It creates an actual money input=result output
which can attract bigger orgs
justice nerf
And with more money going to the league as a whole cause new orgs
prize pools get larger
orgs make more money
and it fixes the biggest probs
please watch
would be boring
like one team could just sign an additional 6 good players in the league just to bench them so other teams can't use em
i def will
lets gooo
2 subscriber special for me
ok
<@&397922982632226816>
we are making the 2 subsciber special
I don't think so lol
we are
there are more than one rich team
and ppl want to play
thx phrenzy
damn i def will
lets gooo
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support
idk kariv was looking pretty good
choisehwan is SO NICE
He was FARMING nanos
Kariv isnt bad, mandu eeeh can be better, Rio and Crong are good tanks
they are lacking superich and diya
They lacking hitscan
indeed
Rio isnt good
yeah rio
I friggin love rascal too
Rascal Carpe is jsut another version of Ans Rascal
i remember eileen being solid last season, dont know much about choisehwan
Eileen is solid, his echo is mid
His doom and genji and sombra are solid/great
Genji and doom I would say are top
his sombra was pretty clean, just not coordinated team to follow up
Losing chara hurt them alot
man I thought chara was nice
Chara>mandu im going to just say it
Chara was a top 5 brig
good mercy
lucio was ok
chara was also their igl and shotcaller
Sacrificing my sleep schedule so I can farm tokens 
Alirght
So
Outlaws win this 3 1
I dont think the shock we are seekng has the support coordination to threaten the rest if the upper teir teams in na
nah viol2t on lucio still beats crimzo
except fdgod is the fdgod of shock
(But somehow worse)
fdgod > joobi
viol2t or twilight >>>>> crimzo
But the tank line is better
Jiangu vs super?
???
Dreamer vs smurf?
super better
smurf better
Piggy is better than choi
danteh might be better than nero
thats so funny
Wdym?
shock just needs to play twilight on ana and viol2t on mercy for ez win (I'm not actually serious I'm completely clueless on west)
I don't trust outlaws to beat shock
Piggy has better stats
I don't trust shock to beat outlaws either
They've been doing similar roster things to shock but with worse players
how is having better stats translate to better player
we all know choi is better than piggy
and remember
outlaws only beat shock once
because happy had his best game of the entire season
yeah
And fdgod threw
I have yet to see happy replicate a performance like he did vs shock that day
so im guessing most of you guys are predding shock?
3-1 shock imo
I have yet to see shock play like like .adominate team this tournemant
I'm keeping my expectations low
i havent predded yet its a 50/50 for me
3 1 outlaws
same, thats why im hesitating
they arent playing ans much
And happy will clap glister so....
when ans played in the paris game he looked back to normal
Honestly no matter what losing moth was a huge hit for shock this season
Glister's been on tracer duty
hmm my preds are
3-0 paris
3-0 dallas
3-1 shock
sig one trick
I don't think outlaws are much better than paris tbh
The stats dont lie
Stats are very good at lying
His coordination with dreamer/jiangu is better too
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hawk was a top 3 OT
We interviewed 1000 people that have played russian roulette before. 100% of them survived the game. Conclusion: Russian roulette is completely safe to play.
hawk easily top 3
yeah and we all know that hawk is bum
Thats a flawed study
ot?
sure
Although I will say that he has improved
And hawk just gets carried by his team
space/hawk>void
from last year
Piggy doesnt
well thats just a great example
Tehre his stats mean something
void is way too high there
ok dude XDDDDDDD
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