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smhzzz
naw
paris?
paris seem kinda boomed tbh
just 30 sec gone
-60 seconds
eternal is way too slow for that time bank
feeding
smurf doin a lil trolling
smurf?
the power of the oni
the power of the nero
is paris raising their white flags rn orrrr
chois smile haha
my boi choi
sneaky grav
WINNABLE
sadly didnt worked well because was so far lol
omg
sheeeeeeesh
wild
even if paris win this round is near impossible to win this match
its ayt its ayt
ObsMoira 
yeah wtf looks kinda laggy doesnt it
especially like when nero dragons
or like just then
wtf
obsmoira always leave
I thought itw as just me
it took paris the same time to cap the first point for shock to get 3
Someone ban dps players from copying tanks
why
?
ohno
nero cancelled
ayyyyyyyyy
What are the Shock doing?
panic
shock only good on offense
Wth
this is why i put nero on B tier
ANA DIFF
sheeeeeesh
cree is so easy it dont matter that hes not a hs
i guess
shocks defense is ehh
shock just needs to win one
better than paris defense lol
shock was cocky as first
whats with the 20 fps camera angle every once in awhile lol
as they were rolling and 1:30 left
owl
now they get steam rolled
🦉
Apparently its a temporary issue though
no way
ooof smurf
oof choi gets remeched into bomb
nero got a lot of
Doesn't really matter lol
i love this team
picks
really well played
it was for ads im pretty sure
shock has nearly 4 minutes to get one tick
paris doesnt give up
OMFG
idc who wins this is a good match
kaan is nuts
still shows paris have a winning mentality
dude
MVP
This is hell here
paris are so fucking clutch
imagine playing this match
fr
3-1 shock
shock fans shaking in their boots XD!!!
i doubt it but im rooting for paris
did shock give them false hope to break their spirits 
viol2t lucio
Kap
letsgo
they should just do grav nano monke
gg
oof...
gg
oof gg
unlucky
ggs
ggs
gg
3-1 ezzzzzz
gg
😎
gg
Paris beating shock?
gg's
geeeeez

great series
not ez but a great series
yea
good ass game
shock looking better on comms then last weekend
they still won 3-1
shock really dont instill hope at all despite this win
shock looked alot better today tbh
? wdym comms
holy fuck I called it 
Yea they did
yea but look at the scores from each match
true
it wasnt ez
flameknightt london map 5s dont erase my memory
finally started playing twilight!!!
true
This Lucio Ana hanzo comp is weird AF and somehow works
3-1 but my point stands
nearly 2 hour series
imagine getting reverse swept by paris
also how are shock gonna lose multiple ots
dps match mvp...
they fucking won 3-1 who cares 
bro
atlanta time baby
shock are gonna do fine in the regular matches
oh yeah
but still 0 hope for their knockout days
gg
plister deaths per 10
i actually predicted reign to win 3-2 and i do not regret it
against paris... and shock have already shown that when they prep for a specific team they can beat any team in the league... but this doesnt show that they have truly elevated their game
same
did ans play at all
Shock gonna get pooped on by Dallas anyway so
yes he played on gibraltar
nice
half of you mfs were saying shock were gonna lose to paris, and that paris was a great team
*Outlaws
dallas is gonna poop on everyone
flame are you going to tell me paris is a bad team rn
yes
flame is a fanboy leave him alone
paris still looked pretty good imo... saying "they just beat paris" seems a bit silly to me
shock may not be the best team but they are MY team
thank god shock didnt play like they did vs london
especially cause they just beat la
paris is a mid table team... pretty much everyone in this channel predded shock to be top 1 this season 
biased lmao 
I never said paris was bad
i am a shock doubter 
I think Viol2t is just their new MS outside of koth and zen favoured maps now
i know that team is never going to win a stage this season
after this season same
I'm just laughing because what I said came true
Shock wins, people still try and make it out to be a loss for them
guess shock never wins unless they 3-0 and never allow the other team to cap a point
hey man im just saying every time shock loses people huff the copium and say they are still top 3 team
Vanc
dallas glads are just over them perma
until proven otherwise yeah
we havent seen enough teams play yet, like houston and reign, who could defo be better then shock
boston has been doing pretty good so far but idk if they can beat shock
until shock wins a map in knockouts i will refrain from calling them top 3
houston if they stop benching jjanggu
glads has been in less knockouts and won more maps
id say top are shock glad and fuel
make it interesting and lets have an outlaws comeback
which is possible
double regions
i think we need to wait for next match atleast to say if atlanta is higher than shock
im just over the shock copium this season :/ so many people think shock are still god among men and its like bro
ANS 
ans 😩😍
they could get the threepeat but the % is around the same as a team like atlanta winning it all
Yea shock shit the bed terribly in knockouts
But they still have been pretty solid in the regular season
i don't care what you think or how well shock does, they're still my favorite team
so who do you think is top 3 other than fuel and glads
Also I don't think atlanta has the same chance to win the league as shock
not with gator hawk lmao
Same 🙂
seoul has been pretty solid in the regular season but the only people i see with seoul copium is levy
wait ans is wearing a glister jersey lmfao
yea well no one cares about apac
i like seoul as well
what 
Where's the paris simp
apac is a lot more fun to watch than NA imo

also in terms of winning the season
how did you even notice that lol
prob
Agree
I'd say more likely that dallas or shd win it all
But glads/shock/seoul/philly imo are still higher than the rest of the teams to win it all as well
thats what happened the last 2 seasons so its not that bold of a pred
wait ans glister jersey lol
Can we just go to the Dallas Shanghai grand final already
its like 45 shd 45 dal 10 glads shock seoul philly hangzhou atlanta

naw
I have no idea why you rate atlanta so highly
let me enjoy my games
and then every other team is unlikely
besides their tourney run they've been mid tier as usual
pelican is literally the prodigy of echo
Yea
is that danny??!
he will drag atlanta to a win if echo is meta
Why is ans wearing glister jersey tf ?

lolol
I rate atlanta higher as they have been playing better but at the same time when it comes down to it the odds of them tank diffing shanghai or dallas are slim
atlanta are 9th bc they didnt play week 1
it seems like 3 teams are ahead of them bc they played last week
tor paris and boston
not all of the teams have played yet so we dont rlly know the standings lol
all 2-0 last week
Watch fuel boof this season and prove us all wrong
i have no idea how to feel about this matchup
justice overall have massively underperformed
I think reign just forces rush or poke and wins
I think reign wins
but atlanta have also massively overperformed
justice look shit on everything besides hard dive
if mag and fury can actually not suck
mag is also a monkey otp
justice wins
mag is monkey otp
reign reign reign
but hes a god monkey otp
pog
Man how did Shock 3-1 Dallas and 3-2 Washington in the Journament and then get 3-0'd by Atlanta

reign 3-2
caught off guard by atlanta's understanding of the meta
bc when you dont lose you learn less
idk if i worded that the right way but its the sentiment
also it's not because shock got shit on in knockouts
my boi custa
then almost lose to london
but double elim knockouts would be cool
that would take way too long
So we don't get repeats of shit like nyxl making it in
agreed
double elim knockouts could be cool but also like thats a solid 3 years of games
im so hyped bro
I hope justice wins tbh idc though really for either team kai and pelican are pretty pog though
cant take it
id rather just have 5 or 6 game quals
my bois playing
more games = more tokens
also = faster burnout
big bren
i guarantee with more quals philly wouldnt have beefed
the godfather
Can we just get Dallas on the field 
that match was so close 
They're gonna pound ass six ways to sunday
also
paris dps have surprised me
they've gotten so much better
And kaan is large cock
vestola is actually really good
Kaan a quiet roty candidate
better than elli?
But he's not a dps player and his team is only mid tier
im pretty sure avast talked about this
pelican pog
i barely watched ellivote so idk
Ellivote was looking pretty solid before he got injured
But I think vestola is a bit better
hawk hunting
I think daan said vestola was better mechanically, but ellivote was a better shotcaller/leader
ok decay in
justice not throwing
i think he also said vestola had a better sig and elli had a better dva
i swear vestola gets so much value out of boosters its insane
justice 3-1
ggs
idek who i predded this game but i hope whoever it is wins
atl still wins
the paris 3-2 shock guy?
@plush grail L
whats your least favorite control
oasis for me
busan yeah
fuck the little walls in meka base
baby
Oasis second last
peli mei
Because city centre exists
gonna diff assassin i think
everyone agree that best control is lijiang?
yes
les gooo
sym is being played so much
screwed over runaway 🥲
atl wins first fight
dva remech is so dumb omg
we dont know the details, it might not be on purpose
reign rolling
decay who?
im sorry who
idc
why do justice just not coordinate plays
ok atlanta do something when the enemy team walks at you challenge
(impossible)
Fury big
oh no
fury pog
fury
atlanta used 4 ults
fury diff
Is Symm the standard now in mei rush
yes bc you can do silly things with tp and wall
goddamn
Yeah
3-0 justice
justice beat atlanta at rush
unlucky
????
atlanta good on orisa comps as well
you guys flaming decay in the first 30 seconds
where can i look on oW league page to see all teams over all winloss?
turret cam
they put turret on cam instead of shatter
decay??
whats after this match
based on the new york game I have full faith in philly stomp
theoretically
has philly played yet
no but they have fa and shockwave
philly really really should win
pls win
huge
woah
OOOOOO
edison diff
my god
lets gooo
massa
that was really massive
why is there rush on busan still
rush meta?
what made it a rush meta
i feel like both sides are just hoping they stay on rush
so they can win the mirror
ohhhhh
tp
atl have so many ults
yea justice should just dry push
decay not die first challenge
fdgod teaches decay the way
DECAY IS THROWING
decay throwing
how come casters call sym squishy but cree tanky with 225 hp
fuck my preds ruined
lets goooo
we are in
:((((((
because the extra 25 hp makes him more tanky
ofcourse we are
sym got 25 extra hp though
sym also has 225hp
and they call her squishy
some of decays deaths can be chalked up to team play bad but also some of them are so so bad like why are you there deaths
shield
Decay is twitching and fidgety bad
He's clearly not had the right kind of mental prep for play
This kinda hurts to see tbh
KEEP DECAY IN 👍 = ATL WIN 👍
lmao
oh ratlanta
I watched the whole Shock Paris match and got 5 tokens 
i mean if u just left it on
for the post show and stuff
you would've had 10
probably
or why not just leave it on
once i watched an entire 3 series without realizing i didnt log into yt
lost like 30 points lol
i bamboozled myself and i didnt restart my stream when the matches started 😦 i just realized it now :(((((
i watch the whole streams every time
do you have to reset?
yes
is that decay with a gun
yep
washington is sus
edison still playing pog
why is edison on sym
rush meta letsss gooo
why are they on rush
if justice plays rush
its rush meta
gotta use ults
big hold
awkward cart positon
another blizzard
THEY DONT TOUCH
feel like decay should just go widow
uh oh
WHY IS IT RUSH
and pound
why are we bad now 😭
i love my life
we rolling
Atlanta pulling the good old
literally just get on point
assassin?
hhaha
gator toxic
gator
ez win
We need to play dive
we out here
SHEEEEEEEEEEEESH
FUCK
decay malding
now i regret changing my preds
😭
Justice trash smh
whats the next three maps
WHERE IS DECAY... wait
actually mayhen looked worse then justice
yeah justice looks fine
🍉
🍉
lmao
105,443 shots missed for Michelle last weekend in Overwatch League, the best! #RiseTogether @TorontoDefiant #OWL2021
pelican my boiiiii
imagine being a justice fan
truuuue
at least i get one game right
omegalul
my goodness
kai coming in also pog
kai!!
lets go kai
decay play sym like sym not tracer challenge
wtf was that?
why no monke? orisa comps just better?
atlanta crumbling
washington is not a team, is an all stars team with budget supports
such a weird comp, kinda cool that its working for now though
gr
yes
niiiice
goodbye funny comp
im scared tho
bebe and closer arent really the problem more liek team diff
that was a good defense
eh it was ayt
the nanoblade was a one time thing
they should go top left
but its just tanky
bro
such a fast bob compared to washingtons dps ult charge
told ya 3-0
i feel like they have no identity
decay actually dies again
like instead of teammates they're coworkers lol
2cp tho
wait
ass ass in carry
how
assassin is trying to hard to carry
my god
wtf is wrong with this team coordination?
2cp
cause were that good man
pelican carry vs assassin carry
dps rolled
ggs
hold on
for pickems
winnable
jottomatte
losable
oh SHITT
Well never mind
dude assassin is insane
dammit
doesn't matter really
still cant lose
"gg" lol
they play for draw right
draw at best lol
atlanta wins unless they omega throw
they lose these
that was a good retake
dc just not goatin 😭
atl still wins
atlan does megathrow sometimes
ahh they want to build emp?
1:15 with double shield
gonna be pretty hard
pharah??
lmao pelican almost fell off
wouldve been funne
almst did a bqb
WHY IS MAG THERE?
bro what is justice even doing
????????
mag why
Mag is just chilling alone
yeeeeea
like tf
so over extended man
gg
??????????????????????
eeeeeeez
EEEZZZZ WINN
3-overwatch
not even overextend just initial positioning so bad
kek
how is Washington this baaaad
called it
oof
lmfao Luigi got his pred right @balmy wolf
bro
i said 3-1
i got both winners for today right
just unbench
yeah hes a chad
like i said mag winston otp
go high ground you're playing double shield
Ttuba
got my pred right
ttuba is the only one who can save justice
not sure
they didnt show the tbag from gator
too hard
lmao
they dont wanna emberass justice
didnt want to add the salt
is there another match
no
but fr, decay died so many times
honestly
why did I pred Paris to win
I'm high off my rockers
justice losing isnt entirely on decay
But off of tracer he's another upper mid tier dps player
who are upper mid tier
watching decay on sym today was a lil painful
I'd say people like edison/jerry/heesu
In a sense of tiers
Like more A tier
maybe B+
hes similar to all of those players too
heesu is a solid player
where hes really fucking good at one hitscan and the rest is good
excited to see checkmate MTD fearless
do you guys think checkmate will be better than oge
yeah just put him back on zarya tbh
you really want to bench fury?
lmao justice would release all their players for decay to stay
did you just miss the journament or smth
Justice are just garbage
Their versatility is awful
Their coaching staff are a bunch of frauds
I'm kidding
Their Support line should be demoted to contenders
This team should just stick to one tricking because that’s all they can do
I mean
Outlaws is good at Rush
and Dallas is good at Dive
but yeah, Justice maybe bottom 10 team
did they ever say which skin in OW gray will be out for watching 4+ hours this summer showdown?
Ive been saying decay was overrated lmao
ngl he is
Hes good but ppl treat him like the best dps in the game
Who would be the best dps, I think it would be sp9rk1e or lip
fleta
or profit
or rascal if he gets his shit together
this season sparkle and lip have looked great but overall those 3 are my best dps ever
I think striker would be better than rascal if you are talking about the history of owl
there is no best dps imo
Since they all have different hero pools
I think you can do it via Flex Dps/ Hitscan dps
ans imo is top 2
If he's not 1st he's 2nd
#1 if he plays at his best
Isnt ans washed up
ok yeah but who's #1
no
he looked like normal today
did u see his headshots on tsuna?
No lol i wasnt watching
Ah
But ive heard ppl call him washed up
those headshots ruined my pants
Def can't call him that anymore
And they apparently benched him a couple times so i just assumed
He lost his two maps vs glads but that was more a team diff
Yeah, Shock are "back"
and then proceeded to get 3-0ed in the knockouts by some team
Classic shock
true
Shock cycle of misrry
stfu misery when back to back championship wins
i hate u all
LIP best hitscan no bias
Ans has two games back from 6 months away and people call him washed
Lip very good but peak ans is better than everyone
Peak ans would bend over lip and spank him
I'd rate lip higher
but man can't land emps consistently 
It’s cool Bc paris don’t even. Play bad normally but in OT they just level up
Also naga/onigod have gotten noticeably better
And kaan is trying to make a roty case for himself sooooo bad
His ana is fuxjung nasty
He’s like Viol2t but actually good at Ana too
I wonder if viol2t's ana is actually tragic or if he just doesn't like playing her
too bad we'll never know since twilight is on the roster
Probably the first one turning into the second one
I know it's ladder, but he's gotten rank 1 playing her as his most played, so he can't be that bad
its twilight
I meant for viol2t getting rank 1 off ana
Also speaking of viol2t, he looked 100x better on zen than his bapt
i think viol2t likes really aggressive supports
ana is sorta like that but it isnt her strength
ana is more setting things up with big nades and less taking it into your own hands to kill 6
bap/zen both value doing as little healing as possible and doing more dmg instead
same goes with lucio if u wanna get into main supports
I want to see Paris v Dallas
I'mma be 100% honest
Empathy
Dallas would probably swallow them
Stfu I'll swallow u
suck my balls loser
what
It’s more like I had hope since shock almost lost to London
im going to be a paris believer for this stage
Same
I don't put much stock into week one games
some of them I do
like the glads/shock game
I think it showed glad's ability to have a high pace and beat an actual good team
And it showed shock's struggles in who they want to play
Ily
nearly 3/4 of the season gone by and shock dont have a consistent starting lineup
I think they have the dps/tank rotation down
they just don't have the support rotation down
And they keep putting both flex supports on main support
Same for outlaws
outlaws are just as lost on that front as shock
it dont mean much, still have a good reg season record
so they dont have to worry about post playoffs
for mid tier teams they gotta step it up and get every win they get since play ins are brutal
jjanggu piggy danteh happy joobi crimzo
just do that
every game
not hard Houston
lol
if i watch the OWL for 30 mins on 2 devices...
does that complete an hour or only 30 mins
only 30 mins
Jake is a smart ass player
with a lot of mechanical skill and leadership
His mechanics are good but he's not comfortable with em
I was 17 minutes late. OWL heat back at it again
salarycap is good long term
Any player on Shanghai could have a large one
I bet Guxue or Shy got bank too
I bet fearless got a fat paycheck
I remember people saying fearless wasn’t that high
Viol2t or choi also probably got a big paycheck
I wish we could see all player salaries
I don’t even care who has what number I’d just like to see the numbers
Gesture?
fearless on dallas prob gets that much
Sp9rk1e both years
Hanbin
Doha and decay prob
MAG
Fury
Mano
Jinmu
Leave
Ga9a
Nisha
Moth
Birdring
twilight
someone making 300k or 400k is probs gesture and profit
think their buyout combine was 1 mill, so the salary is probs like 400k or something to keep them
Pretty sure super was reading the article on stream saying a lot of it is tabloid crap but he might've just been referring to the site as a whole and not that piece. He was making fun of the site because the next article is "what does diff mean in overwatch"
website diff
when he was talking about tabloid stuff he meant when a korean tabloid made an article about him searching up porn while in korea 
Think what he meant with the "diff" article is how varied game journalism is
makes sense I wasn't watching super closely since I was watching someone else on my other tab
im not smart enough for this someone explain it to me
why is it a bad thingy
like isnt it a good thing or
I'm also too stupid
@BobRoss45607246 TLDR
League says rich teams can’t spend lots of money Bc they’ll hoard all the good players
Without players saying they’re cool with this via union it’s considered anti competitive
how is it anti competitive
who are they competing against
overwatch league is the only overwatch league there is
@JacobWolf @TheJusticeDept @overwatchleague @DotEsports Seeing a lot of ELI5 on this, so here goes:
The salary cap (aka most a team can spend on ALL player salaries) is, in the eyes of the DOJ, "anticompetitive" and could constitute an antitrust since players have no bargaining power to change said cap. (1/2)
213
The nature of the Ovwerwatch league who are rumoured to be anticompetitive are from the eyes of the Department or Justice, a body of the US Government
And as Miz says, they’re not doing anything illegal, it’s an investigation the DoJ is conducting to find out more information
yea in the article it said it was a non-criminal investigation
i mean
Let’s say you have a prepay mobile data plan. Normally if you go over the data limit you don’t get cut from using all mobile data.
You just get charged direct to your account for every MB you use afterward
isnt it the jobs of the orgs to represent their player's needs to the OWL?
@gusty rampart now if that makes sense then hold onto that for a bit.
According to the article, Wolf says that each org has a soft salary cap of $1.6m they should put towards their team. If they go over that salary cap they don’t just stop signing players, say if the total player salaries of all their players is over the 1.6m example, a luxury tax is applied so the org has to pay even MORE money to keep them on so it’s at an even larger expense than they would like
Ohh
So hear me out, back to the mobile data, do you think it’s anticompetitive to be Charged what, 25c per MB for going over your prepaid data?
It’s a shoddy comparison but that’s how I can best explain it
So for the pepegas in the back row:
Currently, it’s been speculated and confirmed by folks like former Spitfire GM Susie Kim that if teams overspend a certain amount on their roster, the Overwatch Committee gets really horny about it and wants an additional cut of your player signings and asks that you pay up a Luxury Tax to close the deal
Justice [US government, not the team] just want to know from staff/execs who work on OWL operations what kind of money is going around and if it indicates a potential breach of antitrust law
This is something they’re allowed to do, but it means orgs have less of an incentive to offer higher player salaries and currently limits their buying power
@next mesa you reckon that’s what happened to Striker to bring back ans? I’m starting to think it does
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Tobi: *giggles*
Hotba: Agreed :)
You could have told me lip was a quoting JoJo's bizaare adventure and I wouldn't even notice
based hotba 3-2 for tokens
Everyone agrees
it's for the tokns
not about the power rankings anymore
that's a mutual win-win if I've ever seen one
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Alarm and Astro reunited 
they did well on promising better EU hours 🥲
philly better be not bad
fusion beats shanghai
inject that hype video into my veins
I love them
atleast on thing thats hype about your team
No EQO no win
so theoretically fusion should do good in this meta.
first fusion map in almost a year
ELEEN
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