esports-discussion

[devout path]

I don’t understand why they sub 1987 in for certain maps

[tawdry hamlet]

tbh chengdu and hz need to stop hoarding talent they are never going to use pls

yes

although bernar hasn't looked that bad

[devout path]

Ok now

We do the same thing as before but with glads Dallas dragons Houston philly

That’s like the top 5

Unless I’m forgetting a team

[tawdry hamlet]

I guess current top 5 as of this week yeah

Florida needs to stop struggling and figure it out, they have the potential to be sooo goood

gnj yaki gargoyle like sheeeeesh

stacked

[devout path]

Don’t forget bqb

[tawdry hamlet]

eh, bqb is good, but I value him lower than other hitscans because he plays on such a low sensitivity and can't run tracer

although he did randomly improve a shit ton out of nowhere which was cool

[devout path]

Anyways my lineup is fearless piggy fleta lip moth alarm

Moth alarm is so stacked

[tawdry hamlet]

it is in fact just fastro alarm but better lol

[devout path]

It is but with brig and mercy as well

[tawdry hamlet]

I give fastro more credit than just lucio tbf. He is more important than that, but yeah

also moth can't play brig very well iirc

since on both shock and glads they subbed him out for brig

[devout path]

I mean

Skewed is cracked brig

[noble nexus]

Twilight also has a decent brig

[tawdry hamlet]

well obviously but they wouldn't have picked up a brig specialist if they weren't worried about brig I would think

[devout path]

Maybe

[noble nexus]

I also think he’s there for double FS if that ever happens

[tawdry hamlet]

wonder when the next double fs comes

[devout path]

When did they pick up skewed compared to moth

[tawdry hamlet]

been a while

[noble nexus]

Skewed was their last pickup in the off-season iirc

[tawdry hamlet]

[devout path]

So like a month

[noble nexus]

I doubt that’s enough time for them to give up on moth brig and sign someone for just the brig

[devout path]

That’s probably enough time for them to realize via scrims that they need a brig

[noble nexus]

Idk man

[tawdry hamlet]

who knows, either way moth alarm stacked support line

[noble nexus]

I’d hope they’d give him a better chance than like a month

[devout path]

Yeah

[noble nexus]

Then again

It’s dpei

[devout path]

Fleta lip will always be one of the best dps lines in the league

[tawdry hamlet]

dpei vs imt vs another meme worthy coach

actually yeah who are the worst coaches in league history

[devout path]

Season 2 moon

[noble nexus]

Crusty rn

[tawdry hamlet]

Hehe

S3 Houston coaching with that pharah comp was pretty funny

[noble nexus]

And Danteh tryna say they rolled in scrims

[devout path]

Whoever the fuck the spark head coach was at the start of the season

[noble nexus]

Lmfao

Spark have went through like 15 head coaches this season

[tawdry hamlet]

Arachne? Or was it mentalist? I don't even remember how lmao

[noble nexus]

There has been more head coaches in apac than players in apac this season

Mentalist I think

[devout path]

I also remember charge dropping coaches

Cuz they also had a shit head coach

[noble nexus]

Yeah they have like an entirely new coaching team from when they started the season I think lol

[tawdry hamlet]

Hmm who else, were justice coaches or players bad last year?

Like who's fault was the second to last finish I mean in reg season

[devout path]

The org

[noble nexus]

Roar’s fault

Lmao

[tawdry hamlet]

If blame roar and stitch tbh.

But I like stitch lmao

[balmy wolf]

no one top s1 dragons on being complete dogshit

[tawdry hamlet]

Stitch at the end of season when decay was lifting them up actually looked solid when he had space to work with

But he never really had that all season lmao

[noble nexus]

Roar got benched by decay so they could only play one comp throughout all of the playoffs

[tawdry hamlet]

I didn't like how people said it was a cheese comp and shit like if they could make it that far with that roster I'd say it's more the other teams faults for losing lmao

[balmy wolf]

Stitch was overrated

[tawdry hamlet]

Eh Jerry is nutty this season

[balmy wolf]

Jerry wasn’t nutty week 1 of hero pools

[tawdry hamlet]

Jerry is an upgrade to stitch though I think

[balmy wolf]

Probably but he can play better

[noble nexus]

It wasn’t that it was a cheese comp

[devout path]

Jerry on Boston sadge

[noble nexus]

It’s just that justice shouldn’t have been able to sign decay at the end there

It was kind of dumb

[tawdry hamlet]

Another thing, with hydration being announced and all the other benchers slowly leaving I wonder when thank you ttuba will be posted

[noble nexus]

Didn’t he improve a lot during the off-season?

[tawdry hamlet]

Yeah I heard that a lot

But then we never saw it

So I have no idea

[noble nexus]

Shame he’s omega benched

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean echo is really the main relevant flex character and assassin no doubt is better on the echo and comparable or better on most others

[noble nexus]

Unfortunately echo is a good hero 😔

[devout path]

Is ttuba just there for like genji doom meta or something

[tawdry hamlet]

I could see him as like maybe a doom pharah specialist or something but idk when he'd ever be used

😭

[noble nexus]

Probably just genji pharah

[tawdry hamlet]

Mirror fist is fun, I liked mirror fist, did not like checkmate fist. Checkmate fist wasn't very cash money

[noble nexus]

Mirror fist rolled Paris

And then they shit the bed cuz of the coaching diff

[devout path]

They just one tricked that one comp

[tawdry hamlet]

If yaki wasn't forced to cover tracer Florida would be so good

Like yaki is a top tracer and echo but he can't do both

[devout path]

Duplicate yaki

[tawdry hamlet]

So they have to run a weird lineup with checkmate

Maybe bqb needs to learn echo lmao

[devout path]

Bad idea

[tawdry hamlet]

Since yaki is far too good at tracer

To have bqb learn it lmao

[devout path]

Florida just needs to hope for cloning technology to clone yaki

[tawdry hamlet]

Idk just sucks that if they put in checkmate they can't run hitscans because yaki has to do tracer and bqb is better flickscan so it's like what do we do lmao

[noble nexus]

6 yakis

I lost

[tawdry hamlet]

[noble nexus]

😫😫

[devout path]

Double fleta dps lineup

That’s scary

[tawdry hamlet]

Ok fr tho can we can get an f for all the flex supports who are stuck in jail lmao

Aztac, 1987, twilight

[devout path]

Double ans in hog meta

[tawdry hamlet]

Free my men

[noble nexus]

Twilight wins the shock maps too lol

[devout path]

Twilight would be a perma starter on literally any other team

Except philly

Or ig Dallas

[tawdry hamlet]

Aztac is weird, he was hyped up as one of the best contenders prospect and he hasn't even seen a game

Yet lastro continues to underperform

So why not try aztac pls

[noble nexus]

Idk I kinda figured with the hype he was better than lastro

But apparently not

Cuz they won’t fucking play him

[tawdry hamlet]

Do you guys think aspire is better than naist or Heesu? Or you think he is just working out good atm but overall the others better

[noble nexus]

I also want twilight to bench Viol2t cuz Viol2t has been feeding too hard

[devout path]

Aspire and naist don’t play the same role do they

[noble nexus]

Nah

[tawdry hamlet]

Aspire is hitscan with doomfist

Naist is flex and Heesu is hitscan

[devout path]

Yeah

I mean aspire def better than naist but they play completely different roles

[tawdry hamlet]

I wonder when a team will have Heesu and not just use him to spam Sombra

[noble nexus]

I think for when they need a long range hitscan aspire will be their choice

[tawdry hamlet]

Aspires tracer too

[noble nexus]

That too

Logix won’t see playtime regardless

[tawdry hamlet]

I just want to watch aztac play a map because I want to know how tf this dude plays ana at a higher sense than pine

[devout path]

Lol

[noble nexus]

People who play and on high sens are menaces

[tawdry hamlet]

1100 7 is fucking absurdly high for flex support considering flex support typically has the lowest sensitivities in the league. Jjonak literally plays like 2000 edpi and Alarm 2799 but aztac over here with 7700

[noble nexus]

Ana*

[tawdry hamlet]

Pretty sure aimgod is the lowest sense owl player ever at 800 2

[devout path]

I play 1600 5

[earnest leaf]

7700 is still in the pretty normal range

[tawdry hamlet]

I just can't see how people expect to remain consistent without constant grinding once they go over like 6000 edpi and don't play tanks or mercy

Pine is remarkably consistent for a high sense aimer

[earnest leaf]

The biggest question for me is how do they not destroy their wrists

[tawdry hamlet]

Haksal over there just existed playing Hanzo at 21000

Fucking maniac

[earnest leaf]

I upped my sense from 800x6 to 800 x9.7 for one game and my wrist started hurting

[tawdry hamlet]

Yeah I play 1600 2.03

[earnest leaf]

but I use 9.7 for monkey only

[tawdry hamlet]

And it still feels higher than I'm comfortable with for consistency

But that's because I don't train it enough

High sense aimers just built different I guess

[balmy wolf]

i think its something u just have to get used too

[tawdry hamlet]

Every single player besides Crimzo from the world cup Canada team is retired lmao

[balmy wolf]

thats too be expected

[next mesa]

I dont think aspire is better than them I think he compliments them really well

Way better than logix lol

[balmy wolf]

Dallas will go 4-0 this stage

[trail perch]

that means they wont make it to hawaii lol

[earnest leaf]

It's hard to say but they should be able too

[trail perch]

no 4-0 team has ever made hawaii so far

0 out of 8

teams in hawaii went 4-0

[earnest leaf]

But it will depend on how well reign/outlaws look

[trail perch]

Trust in the curse

if they go 4-0

they dont make hawaii

[balmy wolf]

We are curse proof

[willow tartan]

there are data on owl player sens?

[tawdry hamlet]

Liquidpedia sense and twitch nightbot combinations are usually up to date enough although for less played people like godsb it might be hard to find a definitive sense

Like apply has finally switched from g pro to viper and now to zowie s2

[willow tartan]

i play on 3,051 edpi

[tawdry hamlet]

He is on 800 3.79 on a zowie s2 and it still says on da liquid sight g pro at 1600 2.03

[willow tartan]

how does that compare

[tawdry hamlet]

Relatable

I play 1600 2.03 which is just barely over 3200 but it's a little high for me idk. Carpe plays 900 3.12 which is 2800 edpi meanwhile ans plays 800 4.5 which is 3600 edpi

So your sense is about right in the hitscan range I'd assume

[willow tartan]

i use the same sens across the board for every hero

i dont get the madmen that change it depending on hero

thats fkn stupid

[tawdry hamlet]

Really it's just cm/360 like on csgo I played super low because like who tf cares if it takes a bit to 180 in cs so I played fuckin 800 2.4 at one point

Was wildn

And same

I don't like that

Except for Reinhardt because fuck playing low sense rein like actually shit feels so gross

[willow tartan]

i play same sens on rein

i can about do like a 270 degree turn on my mousepad from left to right

[tawdry hamlet]

Fair a lot of reins are lower sense like 800 4 to 800 6

[willow tartan]

which is

fine

acceptable

im not 360 shattering

[tawdry hamlet]

Yeah fair enough it's just dependent on whar you like, although I've noticed older players gravitate towards far lower sensitivities as they began in shit like cs 1.6 like ryujehong played 400 4.3 on an mx518 that's like fucking 1600edpi on a revision of a mouse from the early 2000s like damn what a beast

Aimgod also ran 1600 edpi

[willow tartan]

actually yeah

my ow sens is the way it is because i carried over from cs

[tawdry hamlet]

But honestly after trying 1920 and anything lower than that would feel absurdly low lmao

Yeah I've noticed older cs pros were more like they could only do a 180 with their full mousepad but they were accurate as fuck like ryujehong have slowly migrated to the middle ground where they can do a full 360 and they are so into grinding that they are nearly as good at this med sense than they are at low

I think tbh carpes low sense holds his tracer back since tracking at 50cm/360 is kind of sus

Like I could get 30-45 but 50 like damnn

Anyway I'm drunk and tired goodnight eSports gang

Muscles 💪

[willow tartan]

gn

[balmy wolf]

thats not low 🤨

800 and 2.4 is 2x higher than most pros

[hot onyx]

remember when paris beat the justice?

[mortal abyss]

Yes

Why

[feral zodiac]

Don't most pros have it really high now

[little tusk]

wut

I'm at 4.5 800

I thought that was average

[balmy wolf]

some do but last i checked average edpi was 800-1000

[tawdry hamlet]

In source engine yes. Overwatch engine uses a difference scale

800 2.4 in source engine is high, but 800 2.4 in the overwatch/destiny 2 engine is low

800 2.4 in overwatch is 800 .72 in csgo

[balmy wolf]

yes, measures of edpi cannot be interchanged. but there's a calc ofc

[tawdry hamlet]

I want to get consistent at a higher sensitivity like tenz in valorant, like if you look at babybay vs tenz two really good aimers in valorant, babybay plays low while tenz plays high because tenz spends more time working on his aim so he's more consistent

Honestly like, tenz is just a nut

He changes his sense all the time a lot like ta1yo

[balmy wolf]

tenz is just an insane talent

i dont believe others can get same results as him

[tawdry hamlet]

Same tbh dude is insanely consistent

Sentinels as a whole is just so stacked

[balmy wolf]

i genuinely cannot follow when he plays aimlabs

[next mesa]

I wonder how tenz will do on like widow

A question we'll never answer

[hot onyx]

Just like “is Lip better than Onigod?”

Except the answer is no

[balmy wolf]

his team starts winning and he goes poopoo in the brain im scared

[hot onyx]

Still smart enough to not support Scatlanta

[balmy wolf]

yes very smart you would have crippling depression

[hot onyx]

Very dumb you would access my medical files

That is a crime marbel

[balmy wolf]

im a doctor

[barren quest]

Luigi is going to have his best day ever when Paris beats the Shock

[balmy wolf]

i can do that

[hot onyx]

Shock is cock

It’ll be more of a celebration when paris continues making the titans winless

[viral yacht]

Is comp out

[plush grail]

bro what the fuck @hot onyx

why copy me lmao

[balmy wolf]

omg

what

i didnt even notice

he sounded as dumb as you

[hot onyx]

uh i’m sorry what are you talking about

[balmy wolf]

lmao

[plush grail]

actually freaked me out for a sec

did i say that and pass out and forget?

[hot onyx]

nah you copied my profile like a brainlet

[balmy wolf]

im weak

this shit is hilarious

[hot onyx]

identity theft is not a joke marbel

[balmy wolf]

stfu fake luigi

[plush grail]

this is amazing and weird at the same time

i managed to piss off marbel

while i was not even here lmao

[balmy wolf]

@plush grail thats my homie

but who is the fake one

[hot onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-stfu-blah-blah-gif-13070641

[balmy wolf]

youre like

the perfect copy

holy shit

[plush grail]

imagine shittalking paris

and then 2 luigi's gang up on u\

[hot onyx]

that’s because i’m real dumbass

[balmy wolf]

0 IQ + 0 IQ = 0 IQ

[hot onyx]

0 IQ paris fan > -10 IQ atlanta fan

[plush grail]

sans malding so bad

[balmy wolf]

lol

[plush grail]

his team of top tier talent is still so bad

he's decided to jump ship

[balmy wolf]

i cant tell who is who

without looking at the profile

[plush grail]

my pfp is slightly brighter

[hot onyx]

my pfp is slightly darker

[next mesa]

omg thats true

hello luigi

[balmy wolf]

my IQ is slightly lower

[hot onyx]

hello

[plush grail]

this is great

he can shit post for me

while i spend time with my gf

[balmy wolf]

shit

[hot onyx]

false news i am homosexual

[balmy wolf]

2 trolls to handle

i cant

[hot onyx]

just gotta wait for sans to bust out a deez nuts joke and you’ll know which is fake

[next mesa]

fake

[tropic herald]

what if esports discussion was talking about esports

[next mesa]

also is it crazy to think that owl should like totally be the main money milker maker for Overwatch like it has potential to make more than just game sales and lootboxes

[tropic herald]

thatd be cool

[balmy wolf]

no

theres no esport rn

[tropic herald]

then go talk in gd !

[balmy wolf]

we need to have fun

[hot onyx]

gd is dull

[tropic herald]

then go make it less dull !

[hot onyx]

paris Eternal

[plush grail]

lmao florida fan

[tropic herald]

theres a reason shanghai is my main team

[hot onyx]

there, esports

[tropic herald]

cant feel pain

[hot onyx]

season 1 season 2 stage 1 stage 2 playoffs season 3 summer showdown season 3 playoffs season 4 may melee

[next mesa]

what about when u got dominated by this guy last year

[tropic herald]

yea but my team has the current highest amount of stage titles

[plush grail]

paris

[hot onyx]

Paris

[tropic herald]

your team has one

[plush grail]

paris has 2 actually

[next mesa]

🖖

🖖

🤌

[tropic herald]

just gonna let shanghai beat seoul this weekend to respond to you levy

[next mesa]

ok bro

BET

WE ARE UNSTOPPABLE

BECAUSE HES BENCHED

GO MARVEL

😩

[plush grail]

empathy

seoul has sbb

u lose

[trail perch]

Yeah

Shanghai=china

[tropic herald]

@next mesa this guy boomed your team

[trail perch]

SBB slays china

[hot onyx]

unstoppable until the coin toss fails and seoul decides to act like bottom 3 again

[trail perch]

If need be profit will drag them over the finish line

[next mesa]

thats ok it was only a stage title

[plush grail]

only thing thats bottom tier is your mental

[next mesa]

measly stage title

even paris has one

thats when u know its not important

[trail perch]

Dont you mean Sp9rk1e has one?

Not paris

[tropic herald]

oh sorry yea seoul has a stage title

[trail perch]

You misspoke

[tropic herald]

oh wait

[next mesa]

BRO fleta and fearless killed may melee dream

but thats ok

at least we got to the finals

[trail perch]

Lip Sombra...

Everyones made it to a finals tho

[plush grail]

levy whats ur fav team rn

[trail perch]

Spark made it

Florida made it

Seoul made it

Philly made it

(Twice)

[next mesa]

the seoul dinastee

[plush grail]

FUCK seoul

[next mesa]

hater

[tropic herald]

you made the finals but also you didnt win it so who cares

[hot onyx]

my mental is through the roof because my team has onigod

[next mesa]

grand finals baby

its okay we lost to viol2t and striker on control

no fucking shame

[plush grail]

its the rules my man

not paris = ur team is shit

[tropic herald]

never forget philly made it to grand finals but no one ever mentions it as an accomplishment

[next mesa]

ppl hate seoul cuz they wanna be seoul

[trail perch]

Never forget Viol2t sucks

[plush grail]

viol2t

feeding fuck

[trail perch]

Just for the record

[hot onyx]

because philly lost 6-1

[trail perch]

Even his aim and ult usage

[next mesa]

mans just vibin

[trail perch]

Is honestly bad

[balmy wolf]

wait r u sans????

[next mesa]

mans just vibin

[plush grail]

its sans yeah

[tropic herald]

nah viol2t aim goat

[balmy wolf]

lol

[plush grail]

the delusional philly boy

[tropic herald]

but his brain thoughts are not

[balmy wolf]

he changed color

[trail perch]

His ult usage...

Positioning

[balmy wolf]

what a freak

[hot onyx]

had to change colour to make it seem legit

[balmy wolf]

true true

[tropic herald]

he tried to ego duel a widow on junkertown as bap

u know that man dont think

[hot onyx]

it feels disgusting to be in purple

[balmy wolf]

i feel you

[hot onyx]

that’s harassment

[balmy wolf]

come back to blue soon :((

[trail perch]

i love the purple

[tropic herald]

can they update p r so i can mald over how i dont agree w it

[trail perch]

Its clean

[trail perch]

can u add new member colors?

[plush grail]

if paris is not top 5

[tropic herald]

no

[plush grail]

legit

fuck reinforce

[trail perch]

ugh

[tropic herald]

technically i can but its a whole process

[trail perch]

I think a darker purple would be sick as hell

[hot onyx]

what did johnny do?

[tropic herald]

we have multiple dark purples

[trail perch]

or this color

[tropic herald]

fuschia

[hot onyx]

not blue so it sucks poopoo

[plush grail]

@tropic herald nice esports discussion

[trail perch]

or maybe a teal

[tropic herald]

im talking about mod things to a thing i was directly asked

shush for one second

[trail perch]

But yeaj Fuschia and Teal/aqua

[tropic herald]

vestola kinda big brain on da dva

[trail perch]

Vestola's nutty

Idk why London didnt promote vestola Helv

[devout path]

Ew spark

[hot onyx]

downgrade from ellivote

[trail perch]

10x better than hadi molf

[trail perch]

ew boston

[devout path]

True true

[hot onyx]

ew fusion

[plush grail]

im37 as ur hitscan

[devout path]

But at least not paris

[trail perch]

TRUE

im37>onigod

[hot onyx]

stand1 as your maintank

[trail perch]

path to pro SPEEDRUNNER

[plush grail]

daan >stand 1

[devout path]

Better than fucking daan

[trail perch]

Hehe Guxue>>>

[balmy wolf]

oh no no

[hot onyx]

tsuna maintank > StandDumb

[devout path]

Stand1 is better than ur entire team

[balmy wolf]

oh no no

[trail perch]

True^^

[plush grail]

lmao my minion is attacking lily for me

[trail perch]

Valentine>Paris

[balmy wolf]

im crying rn

[hot onyx]

shut up copycat

[devout path]

Faith > dridr

[plush grail]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-stfu-blah-blah-gif-13070641

[balmy wolf]

the original does it best

[trail perch]

Valentine a top player in the league

Dont @ me

Top 5 echo

[plush grail]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-stfu-blah-blah-gif-13070641

[devout path]

Torb GOD

[trail perch]

Junk king

[devout path]

Best junkrat in the league

Doomfist menace

[trail perch]

when his turret has better stats then onigods whole career :)

[devout path]

True

[plush grail]

bro

stfu

boston played florida

paris played la glads

[hot onyx]

https://tenor.com/view/shut-up-stfu-blah-blah-gif-13070641

[balmy wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/no-one-cares-stop-talking-please-stop-you-opinion-sucks-shut-up-gif-9195401

[plush grail]

me when u rant about scatlanta

[next mesa]

molf is actually good doe

is halv 18

[hot onyx]

me when you talk

[balmy wolf]

me when i talk about atlanta

goddammit

how do i argue with two weaklings

[hot onyx]

“no guys really atlantas performance in the june joust wasn’t just a fluke of them getting their only good meta, they’re going to dominate the summer showdown and prove themselves as one of the best teams in the lea-“ https://tenor.com/view/grass-gif-20975775

[balmy wolf]

almost as good as the original

but the original would even be able to form a sentence like this

and he never says something

before sending this gif

[hot onyx]

i’m quoting you brainlet

[balmy wolf]

no ur just bad

deal with it

[hot onyx]

you answered to brainlet so you know your place at least

[balmy wolf]

i always answer people who need help

yeah thats right

delete it

too scared

of your mistakes

[hot onyx]

delete the idea of roman

[next mesa]

?????? im so confused

[balmy wolf]

??

[trail perch]

??

[hot onyx]

roman this tongue around joe mamas [redacted]

[balmy wolf]

weak

[hot onyx]

just like your trash team

[balmy wolf]

weakling

[hot onyx]

not what my girlfriend says

[remote siren]

Aight I did a vod review on the london vs shock game

[balmy wolf]

u have no girlfriend

ur not a chad like the real luigi

[hot onyx]

trueee

not trueee

[remote siren]

After using statiscal analysis and the tape I can now say whats wrong with the shock

Its not fdgod or super or violet

[balmy wolf]

just sucks ur plat

[remote siren]

Shut up ape

[balmy wolf]

ok master

[hot onyx]

its because they’re not putting twilight on off tank

[remote siren]

Nah its choi and fheir coordination

[trail perch]

Choi washed

Overrrated

Not top 5

[remote siren]

No

[hot onyx]

yes

[remote siren]

He is an elite player

[trail perch]

Whenever choi plays zarya he's quite bad

his Dva seems lost

and i dont remember sig

[remote siren]

But the team doesnf play around their supports

Violets death spike in their losses

[hot onyx]

the problem is a lack of agape

[trail perch]

Viol2t feeds...

[remote siren]

He doesnt feed

[trail perch]

over reaching

waay to aggresive

[next mesa]

a lot of viol2t's deaths are on his individual mistakes

[trail perch]

ego peeks

[remote siren]

Fdgod feeds

[trail perch]

hero plays

Ends up throwing

[remote siren]

Violet is just too selfish

[next mesa]

like that time he just stayed on aspire's crosshair on junkertown for like a good 10 seconds

[remote siren]

But anyways

[next mesa]

ego dueling him

[trail perch]

and viol2t whiffing and wasting matrixes

On losing fights

pops solo matrix

[remote siren]

Thays shock culture

[trail perch]

and loses

[remote siren]

They love to throw ults for free

Its what their hashtag winnable is all about

The problem with shock is their ult economy

Like they used to have number one ult economy

[hot onyx]

rebuild shock with 6 eqos

problem solved

[remote siren]

But now they either overcommit

Or grief ults 3v6

[trail perch]

Ive been just copying my favorite players in ranked

and I keep on getting flamed

"Whyd you go in 1v6 and blossem and die"

and i was like #winable

[hot onyx]

that is a reasonable scenario to blossom

[next mesa]

#winnable

[trail perch]

Im trying to expand my hero pool from tracer sombra 2 trick

Its not working

I almost dropped to diamond with all of my #winnable

[remote siren]

You play tracer cringe

[trail perch]

The shock are activly throwing my games

Well I used to play zarya

Climbed to GM

[remote siren]

I play mcree and ashe

[trail perch]

During GOATS

[remote siren]

Stuck in diamond but I dont really mind

[trail perch]

Now i just vibe with tracer sombra at like 37-3800

[hot onyx]

I’m stuck in 4900

[trail perch]

Loser

imagine

[remote siren]

Bruh

[next mesa]

cant even go pass 5k?

[trail perch]

Clown

[hot onyx]

too difficult

[next mesa]

I went from bronze to 7.3k by watching twilight ana vods

damn

[trail perch]

Amen 🙏

[remote siren]

I mean if I played support instead of dps

[next mesa]

must be sad to be such a shitter 🙏

Amen 🙏

[trail perch]

Climbed from silver to 10k by watching BQB zarya

Gg EZ

[next mesa]

damnn

[remote siren]

Would def hit gm trust me

[next mesa]

thats ccrazy

[remote siren]

I watched jjonak stream all day

My ana is clean I tell you

[hot onyx]

not if you watched jjonak

[remote siren]

The only reason I play dps is because my team always run it down

So I must play dps to carry

[next mesa]

also vestola >>>> whatever his name is sheeeeeeeeeeesh

[remote siren]

But during goats I was a zen one trick

[next mesa]

ellivote

[remote siren]

I was 4.1k

[next mesa]

jjonak ana is actually a phat nut

I think its safe to say mechanically he is best in the league on support ngl

except maybe bap

zen ana yes

[hot onyx]

kaan

[remote siren]

Jj bap is pretty insane

[next mesa]

I mean he clapped alarm in the zen 1v1

[trail perch]

jjonak bap in 2019 playoffs

I remember when he did that 180 flick window

for SBB bastion

[next mesa]

oh yeah on SBB

that was so insane

sheeeeeeeeeeesh

[trail perch]

and dropped onto point with imort

[remote siren]

Jj is like still a top 5 support in my mind

[trail perch]

that was the most hype bap play ever

[hot onyx]

ah yes the meaningful 1v1 that determines the full skill of all flex support players

[remote siren]

I think fielded and izayaki better than him then alarm

[trail perch]

alarm is prob better

[remote siren]

Yeah

[trail perch]

but jjonak is still great

Maybe twilight better

[hot onyx]

Kaan > Alarm >

[remote siren]

Violet is very inconsustent

[next mesa]

im just sayin like mechanically

[trail perch]

he single handedly throws maps

[next mesa]

its still like a measure

[trail perch]

He went back to his s2 self, the weak link

[next mesa]

sheesh

[trail perch]

Even back in goats viol2t was too aggresive

[remote siren]

Season 2 violet was the third best flex support

[trail perch]

He lost them fights by going for hero plays

[next mesa]

dont forget jjonak won the ana all stars deathmatch

[remote siren]

Second was twilight

[next mesa]

just sayin

[remote siren]

Jj was still the king of flex sups in 2019

[next mesa]

nah first was twilight second was viol2t

[hot onyx]

ah yes jjonak winning an all stars game

best fs

[remote siren]

Jj was better then twilight

[trail perch]

Jjonak was prob still the best

Maybe second

[remote siren]

Like he had the best zen

[trail perch]

Viol2t was 3rd at best

[remote siren]

His ana was very good

Violet was third at worst lmfao

[trail perch]

maybe 4th or fifth

[remote siren]

Violet twilight and jj were in there own league

[trail perch]

He singlehandedly lost shock fights and maps

[hot onyx]

Viol2t was 20th and still is

[next mesa]

im just sayin mechanically it counts

[remote siren]

But when he was hot

Nobody coukd touch him

But anyways

Mano used to be a god

Like he was the reverse of fearless if that makes sense

[next mesa]

like creative scored last, i could totally see that

mechanically he's nothing impressive

idk mano is still pretty god

[remote siren]

Fearless is the best main tank and he gets a ton of resources

[hot onyx]

Reminder that Highly made it to the all stars ana deathmatch final

[remote siren]

Mano was the best main tank for two years

And he got none all of it went to jj

Mnao was a very passive player and fearless is very aggro

Eevn in season 3 mano waa prob top 2 in main tanks

[next mesa]

yeah I can see that

highly is good

[hot onyx]

Fearless Smurf Sado

[trail perch]

KALIOS SIGNED

[next mesa]

WHERE

[trail perch]

NYXL

[hot onyx]

WHERE

[remote siren]

Sado was not better than mano

[next mesa]

oh my god the rumors were true

[trail perch]

https://twitter.com/NYXL/status/1410297082318106624

NYXL (@NYXL)

The NYXL family grows once more. Please welcome to the roster our new Off-Tank, @OW_Kalios (pending league approval). #EverUpward #OWL2021

Twitter · Jun 30, 2021, 6:00 PM

[hot onyx]

NO

[remote siren]

He dragged an old nyxl to like fifth place

[trail perch]

KALIOS YAKPUNG TANKLINE POG

and if undine can be signed also

[remote siren]

Like veeryone else was either average or feeding

[trail perch]

NYXL MAY BE BACK

also 02 blast core???

Proper???

[remote siren]

Mano was better than smurf and sado

[next mesa]

yooooooo

[trail perch]

Proper flora dps line

[hot onyx]

Kalios, yet another promising talent to be drained by Whynot

[remote siren]

Fearless was the only one better

[trail perch]

They might sign 02 boss

or undine

[next mesa]

Time to get drained by nyxl coaches POG

[remote siren]

Remeber wizardhyeong?

[trail perch]

NYXL gone only downhill since pavane left

[next mesa]

so overrated

[remote siren]

He wasnt overrated

[trail perch]

typical genius

[remote siren]

Well he was overrated

But not that much

[trail perch]

Look at his work

s2 justice

s3 seoul

Wizard Hyeong was the best coach ever obviouslt

[remote siren]

Season 3 seoul was second

[trail perch]

Regular season

...

[remote siren]

Who care rofl?

[trail perch]

They wouldnt have made the playoffs if that was a normal season

Lol

[remote siren]

The chip is all that matters kid

[trail perch]

Wrong...

[remote siren]

Season 1 nyxl went 34 6

[trail perch]

Also did u just call me kid?

Yeah and they where the best ow team

Period

[remote siren]

No

[trail perch]

So what they didnt win

[next mesa]

so bad s3

[trail perch]

They where the best

[next mesa]

ok no they werent

[trail perch]

Plain and simple

[remote siren]

So why didnt they win?

[next mesa]

who won

spitfire

[trail perch]

Choking

[remote siren]

Spitfire won

[next mesa]

chip is all that matters in sports

[trail perch]

Obviously

[hot onyx]

I’m gonna miss when Kalios was good

[next mesa]

If you choke you're not good

not the best

[trail perch]

Glads go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[remote siren]

Do youe even sports kid?

[trail perch]

Seoul go brrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

[next mesa]

Warriors went 73-9

They lost in the finals

Who was the best team that season

Cavs because they won

warriros choked a 3-1 lead

[remote siren]

But the refs were wilding

[next mesa]

if they were the better team

[next mesa]

factual

[remote siren]

Those calls were sus

[next mesa]

draymond ejection?

nahhhh bruv

but im just sayin

who are the champions that season

[trail perch]

I dont watch american sports lol

[next mesa]

the team that won

[remote siren]

Cabs were better

[next mesa]

literally any sport

[trail perch]

In what world would this be a reference I get

[next mesa]

bro

Regular season dont mean shit

[remote siren]

If you watch lck gen g is like 7 0

[trail perch]

Soy de España

[remote siren]

And they always get first or second place in fbe standings

[trail perch]

Nah league cringe as hell

[next mesa]

I dont watch soccer

[remote siren]

And they never make it to worlds

[next mesa]

but safe to say that team that wins = best team

[tribal canopy]

football

[hot onyx]

That’s like saying Fusion had a better season 1 than NYXL

[trail perch]

Honestly not true

Yeah

[hot onyx]

Because they did better in playoffs

[trail perch]

Rn federer is the best player of all time

one of the best rn

he hasnt won a grand slam in forever

[remote siren]

Soccer is the original word

[trail perch]

that doesnt mean hes not one of the best

[trail perch]

fucking wrong dumb american

Gringo looking ass

[tribal canopy]

soccer is wrong

[next mesa]

what

[hot onyx]

soccer deez nuts

[next mesa]

2018

[remote siren]

No the word soccer came first

[next mesa]

australian

2017 wimbleton

[remote siren]

Futbol came later

[trail perch]

yeah 12 grands slams ago

lol

[remote siren]

Assoc

[trail perch]

3 years is forever

[remote siren]

Socc

Soccer

[next mesa]

how is 3 years forever

[trail perch]

Cause it is

[next mesa]

2019 wimbleton too

[trail perch]

I have short attention span

[next mesa]

and he's getting old

[trail perch]

Djokovitc about to be the GOAT also

But thats besides the point

[remote siren]

Nadal is the besf player ever xd

[trail perch]

Mans about to win all 4 grandslams and the olympics in one year

[next mesa]

thats like saying curry somehow not winning championship since 2018 means hes not a goat anymore

?????????

[trail perch]

Also we can all agree Nadal is the best clay player,

Yet he didnt win rolland garros

[remote siren]

Clay is better than grass

Cmv

[trail perch]

Does that mean hes not the best clay player?

Cause he didnt win?

[remote siren]

You have to look at the entire body of work for all time

For one season its the team that wins

[next mesa]

yes it counts for all time

[hot onyx]

Corentin Moutet GOATed

[next mesa]

having that title is all time

[trail perch]

Oh so NYXL is the best OWL team

[next mesa]

but for that one season

no its clearly shock all time

[trail perch]

Consistantly the best

Best record

over all years

[next mesa]

even if they dont win this season

[remote siren]

Even if nyxl won in season 1

Shock would be better

[next mesa]

best record in regular season means almost nothing

2015 hawks went 60-22

like who cares

[tawdry hamlet]

Kalios hmm

[remote siren]

Lebron

Lebron cares

[next mesa]

I mean

[remote siren]

Ecf from 2010 onwards was lebron show

[next mesa]

lebron still swept them

literally ezpz

[remote siren]

Raptors were the one seed

They got exposed

[next mesa]

raptors are always high seed

[hot onyx]

Kalios deez

[next mesa]

they lose always in playoffs against lebron

[tawdry hamlet]

@next mesa wait I just realized something , if the nohill rumors are true Lowkey nyxl could be insane

[remote siren]

They only won then lebron is out of the playoffs

[next mesa]

nohill was rumored to nyxl?

no way

bro get yakpung outta here

hes trash

[hot onyx]

Who is Nohill?

[remote siren]

Bring back janus

[next mesa]

coached for team cc

[remote siren]

And ark

[next mesa]

team cc best t2 team

who would win team cc 2020 or EM 2019

or runaway 2018

[hot onyx]

Team cc 2nd best t2 team

After StarLight Gaming

[tawdry hamlet]

American Tornado need to be allowed to compete in Korean Contenders, I am literally begging to see how they compare pls

[hot onyx]

But if NYXL get a new coach

[next mesa]

thats true

AT is literally just smurfing NA contendies

[hot onyx]

I’m gonna need to change my pickems

[next mesa]

they need to go to korea for some actualcompetition lol

except that one time they lost to cloudy on rush

[hot onyx]

Imagine if NYXL had someone like Rush or NineK

[tawdry hamlet]

Ah they're rumored to pick up undine as a coach

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1409791391706849281?s=19

Arran “Halo” Spake (@haloofthoughts)

According to multiple sources the New York Excelsior are supposedly expecting to announce the signing of O2 Blast coach Young-Woo “Undine” Son as an addition to their coaching staff

Likes

560

Twitter · Jun 29, 2021, 8:30 AM

[next mesa]

yoooooooooooooooo

thats basically confirmed

THIS IS SO POG

[mortal abyss]

Please let nyxl get rid of imt

[tawdry hamlet]

So on paper apac shouldn't suck anymore now that they have hz Chengdu nyxl and philly and shanghai

[next mesa]

UH how dare you forget Seoul dinastee 🖐️

[tawdry hamlet]

If undine comes along and the other teams win more than one game in a row lmaoo

[trail perch]

Yep halos never wrong

And my favorite owl team is the vancouver third impact

[mortal abyss]

Lol

But to be fair to Halo he’s gotten so many things right this season

You gotta hand it to him

[next mesa]

I mean to be fair he was onlt wrong because vancouver cheaped out

he has been like 99% accurate this season lol

[mortal abyss]

Yeah wasn’t it that Vancouver didn’t want to spend money on the buy-ins

[worn falcon]

kalios

empathy is sleeping

[tawdry hamlet]

I got it

[worn falcon]

thankies :D

[hot onyx]

He was also wrong when he predicted MuZe to go to Florida

[earnest leaf]

He has been overwhelmingly correct this season in his leaks

And has apologized when he was wrong

[hot onyx]

too many words not going to read 😎

[stuck radish]

if ta1yo went to vancouver would he be on the starting lineup

[hot onyx]

How tf would we even know?

He’s played 1 map as symm this season and when he played genji last season he got subbed out for Super

Hitscan player not even playing hitscan when he’s fielded

[tawdry hamlet]

based on his streams, teru better echo but he should be able to hitscan diff linkzr dalton. Teru has a really good genji already though

so I don't know

[balmy wolf]

Their coaching sucks not players

[devout path]

It’s not like nyxl has bad players

[tawdry hamlet]

in one teams case they do just have bad players

[balmy wolf]

Yeah make it two tbh

[devout path]

Everyone on nyxl is fairly solid

[balmy wolf]

I don’t think Charge has great players

[tawdry hamlet]

I would make it two if charge didn't have a stacked dps line and cr0ng

[balmy wolf]

They have pieces sure

[devout path]

Kariv lost his talent

[tawdry hamlet]

but kariv is literally diamond and rio is an orisa one trick and kayleee has no positioning brain and no good coach to give him that brain to match his aim

[balmy wolf]

cr0ng, Eileen, and Choisehwan

That’s their 3 good players

[tawdry hamlet]

Kayleee with positioning training could actually be good but Charge have shit coaching lmao

[balmy wolf]

Kayleee looks straight ass

I didn’t watch him in contenders though

[tawdry hamlet]

his aim is nuts, it is his movement that is actual dog shit, but at least it isn't hybrid. Thank god mans is back in tier 2

[balmy wolf]

Linkzr will hopefully join him soon

[devout path]

Hybrid lol

Linkzr is going to retire before going to contenders

[balmy wolf]

Guy is not good

[earnest leaf]

I would be shocked if linkzr doesn't retire after this season

[devout path]

Same

[next mesa]

He said that he was gonna retire

[earnest leaf]

But

[next mesa]

on stream

[earnest leaf]

ah

nvm then

[balmy wolf]

I haven’t even seen him play good in ranked games in forever lol

[devout path]

I mean

Why not stay to get some money then retire

[tawdry hamlet]

insert gif of hybrid missing 6 shots in a row on a stunned hanzo

[next mesa]

Muze to florida

yeah he was wrong about that

idk when shanghai released fearless they must've known they were getting fate

[devout path]

Yeah

[next mesa]

just who will be the main tank didnt know it was gonna be OGE

[rotund sail]

https://twitter.com/flmayhem/status/1410327330799632392?s=21

Florida Mayhem (@FLMayhem)

A mid-season competitive update from Mayhem HQ. Please join us in wishing Checkmate good luck in his new role this weekend!

Twitter · Jun 30, 2021, 8:00 PM

@next mesa about OGE being MT...

[tawdry hamlet]

man what the fuck

https://twitter.com/MrGenoa/status/1410328089100533761?s=20

MrGenoa (@MrGenoa)

@FLMayhem We have seen the crusty crackpipe, the moon marijuana, the rush rooms, but now a new challenger approaches, the kuki ketamine

Twitter · Jun 30, 2021, 8:03 PM

factual tweet

https://twitter.com/thibbledork/status/1410328402620555274?s=20

The Artist Formerly Known As Seagull-Man (@thibbledork)

Statement from team account
Signed by GM
"Is this bait? This has to be a troll"

Twitter · Jun 30, 2021, 8:04 PM

smm basically confirming it is real I think

[tender badger]

excuse me, what is the name of the teamliquid team?

[true hound]

taimou 2

checkmate

[mortal abyss]

Hydration moment

Like the attitude from mayhem, not wanting to continue losing like this

[worn falcon]

OGE Dps then

sub yaki

[mortal abyss]

https://twitter.com/yehhh/status/1410333143148675077?s=21

Albert Yeh (@yeHHH)

Just want to be clear, OGE is not the sole reason for our underperformance as a team. He is still practicing with the team and we will be looking at ways to reincorporate him into lineups. We had one piece we could move around and did not see solutions in the player market. https://t.co/eNHeyfNfgS

Twitter · Jun 30, 2021, 8:23 PM

[raw ermine]

What

That sentence hit me like a ton of bricks

[worn falcon]

main tank market is dead

who could you hire for cheap?

Cloudy?

and needs to play monke

[tawdry hamlet]

needs to be cheap, speak korean, and be able to play more than just reinhardt which is kind of hard to find when you look around na or eu market lmao

[hot onyx]

YaHo?

[tawdry hamlet]

since visas would take for fucking ever if they bought an apac player

[hot onyx]

Mans just won contenders korea

[chilly jolt]

who do you guys think is the best mcree player in the league

[hot onyx]

And is of age to join owl

[hot onyx]

Dalton

[chilly jolt]

ok stop playin

[tawdry hamlet]

although I did say oge was the worst pickup the glads made when they announced their roster

[kind ridge]

hybrid

[trail perch]

Im sorry what

checkmate MT???

[tawdry hamlet]

[trail perch]

FISSURE KAISER???

MODERN???

[tawdry hamlet]

Kuki Ketamine has started

[trail perch]

Fucking Yaho

Fucking Zebaf

Zebag

But Noooooooooooo

Checkmate MT

FUCKING KUKI

[tawdry hamlet]

visas take forever by the time yaho gets there and integrates with the team it will be like the last tourney of the season if the time it took for others to get visas is any indication. Although changsik didn't have an issue with that so I don't know

[trail perch]

BRING KUKI BACK INTO THE ROSTER

[chilly jolt]

??????

[tawdry hamlet]

[trail perch]

this

Checkmate MT

[trail perch]

Look at twitter

[earnest leaf]

hold

hold

hold on

Are they meming?

[tawdry hamlet]

social media manager and yeh both confirmed it

so no they are not meming it would seem

lmao

[rotund sail]

yeah Thib did

seems like Thib to meme it but

[chilly jolt]

CHECKMATE ON MAIN TANK???

[rotund sail]

its no meme

yeah

[chilly jolt]

lol

i respect it

[rotund sail]

Cmate is #1 on ladder combind

like 28 on tank 26 on supp i think

[tawdry hamlet]

https://twitter.com/PopcorpGFX/status/1410335794917695493?s=20

MSF Popcorp (@PopcorpGFX)

@haloofthoughts Think this way, if he MTDs Fearless and Mag then he'll automatically wins ROTY :-)

Twitter · Jun 30, 2021, 8:33 PM

9000 iq strats

just outperform the best tanks in the league boom ez roty

[chilly jolt]

someone said taking the echo copy too seriously 😭😭😭

[chilly jolt]

done and dusted

[trail perch]

He echoed fearless and is ready to roll

[mortal abyss]

https://twitter.com/yeHHH/status/1410333144344039429?s=20

Albert Yeh (@yeHHH)

Ultimately, we didn't think taking a chance on a player with high ping would be more beneficial than having Checkmate step in.

Twitter · Jun 30, 2021, 8:23 PM

[tawdry hamlet]

also, custa is vod reviewing the new york vs charge game on lijang and wow nyxl were like soft throwing so hard with their comp choice

another thing whenever they make eileen play mcree instead of Kaylee they win

and choisehwan has a tracer as well and echo so they literally can like run everything they need besides widow and ashe if they never run kaylee again

so that is something fun they could try

[limber pine]

Yo

Just heard checkmate news

It’s…interesting

[tawdry hamlet]

oh and Floridas next game is against Dallas LOL

so good fucking luck

[limber pine]

Has there ever been an in-season role swap that’s worked out?