we don't see a lotta doom, so the top dooms are hard to know
#esports-discussion
hot onyx
But London definitely have the most map wins out of the winless teams
mortal cipher
yeah
north relic
lip played a bit of doom
hot onyx
Also Carpe doom best doom
raw ermine
lip would be the sombra tho
mortal cipher
But London definitely have the most map wins out of the winless teams
yeah for sure and also eventually one of them is going to win
raw ermine
carpe doom not bad
north relic
lip would be the sombra tho
yea
raw ermine
hotba sombra carpe doom
north relic
super doom could win games
mortal cipher
doesnt titans v london happen at the end of the stage
hot onyx
Yeah
mortal cipher
dding sombra tho
hot onyx
Last day of the last week
north relic
does architect play df?
mortal cipher
yeah i think london might win that now that they have the new dps
mortal cipher
does architect play df?
he playes dps
raw ermine
seominsoo might be the doom tho
mortal cipher
i think so
north relic
instead of seominsoo
hot onyx
London could just try and force SparkR hitscan + Shax tracer and dominate the Titans
raw ermine
sms still is good
north relic
eileen doom?
hot onyx
Also who tf would be the Hunters doom?
stuck radish
sparkr and molf1g are the only good ones on london
north relic
Also who tf would be the Hunters doom?
jinmu silly hero specialist
stuck radish
well shax is decent
mortal cipher
yeah i mean spakr hitscan x shax tracer rolled paris on the first map
hot onyx
jinmu silly hero specialist
Nah Ameng comes in clutch with the only other hero he knows how to play
north relic
molanran best doom apac
hot onyx
Molanran might unironically be the best (non one trick) fdps that played for Valiant
north relic
pelican has a good doomfist iirc
hot onyx
I mean his competition is Agilities Silkthread KSF and Apply
mortal cipher
yeah true
north relic
hydration?
mortal cipher
maybe
north relic
could that work
raw ermine
LAV not LAG
north relic
hydration danteh
north relic
hydration's main heroes is df and pharah i think
mortal cipher
i think hes more known for pharah iirc
hot onyx
Hydration is literally the best sigma in the league
raw ermine
I mean his competition is Agilities Silkthread KSF and Apply
fool
you forgot about
BUNNY
hot onyx
I said “non one trick”
mortal cipher
yeah
hot onyx
Bunny played tracer but he also played tracer
north relic
Bunny played tracer but he also played tracer
forgot about tracer
hot onyx
forgot about tracer
But I’m already tracer
north relic
the launcher says its live for me
mortal cipher
wow
hot onyx
Not live for another 7 hours
north relic
yea
mortal cipher
makes sense
hot onyx
Probably smart for me to sleep instead of staying up to wait
north relic
Probably smart for me to sleep instead of staying up to wait
that would be the smart option
mortal cipher
probably but are we smart
north relic
yes
mortal cipher
nei
north relic
its hangzhou vs valiant though
is that worth waiting for
seoul chengdu after though
did you guys pick seoul or chengdu
north relic
seoul is seoul so i picked hunters
hot onyx
Yeah so before I go unconscious I’ll leave y’all with a reminder of actual Hydration sigma
mortal cipher
yeah but last time seoul beat hunters
north relic
the only thing they are consistent at is ruining pickems
hot onyx
keen abyss
"no ans no win"
yes ans, still no win
mortal cipher
the only thing they are consistent at is ruining pickems
true
mortal cipher
"no ans no win"
yes ans, still no win
lol
keen abyss
the gladiators vs shock match was actually so fucking good
tropic herald
https://youtu.be/SvLvmmi5-nM
Wasn’t void on this roster
mortal cipher
tbf probably wasnt the best idea to put him in right after they got him back
it was close
keen abyss
as a gladiators fan this was such a nice match to see, especially after the first run in between the two teams
hot onyx
Wasn’t void on this roster
Yeah lmao played Void in the winner bracket vs Titans and took them to a map 5
north relic
i didnt watch glads shock, what was the takeaway
mortal cipher
just goes to show how important striker was to the Shock team
tropic herald
Void good at sigma???? 😱
keen abyss
glads shock was my favorite owl match of all time
this one was so good
especially as a doom main
tropic herald
That seems a little strange
hot onyx
Not good enough to keep a spot on the Glads 🕶️
tropic herald
Not any of the Shanghai 7 map series
mortal cipher
i didnt watch glads shock, what was the takeaway
takeaway was that without striker its hard
hot onyx
Unlike Biggoose and Shaz
north relic
what was the meta in the game
keen abyss
also glads has full power kevster now
keen abyss
what was the meta in the game
sf shock generally ran reaper/cree torb bap/moira brig/lucio
with dva rein
mortal cipher
zero ping kevster
tropic herald
Yea Shock tried really hard to play every doom counter
keen abyss
glads ran hackfist with dive tanks
mortal cipher
yeah
hot onyx
Zero ping Kevster riding the bench for half the match should be illegal
keen abyss
honestly after junkertown i was really disheartened
but glads dominated volskaya and then lijiang so hard
it's really funny especially after the tidbit of "shock has 70% winrate on assault and gladiators have 44% winrate on assault"
mortal cipher
yeah that was a really good one so tight even tho it was glads at the end
keen abyss
now gladiators are 6-5 against shock and both teams are 7-2
earnest leaf
Shock just need to stop sucking on control
north relic
does birdring or kev play sombra
earnest leaf
Idk why they regressed so hard on it
keen abyss
birdring
kev went off so hard on echo and tracer
skewed space and kevster all went off super hard
mortal cipher
space was so good
keen abyss
gladiators would've lost if it wasn't for his clutch bombs
hot onyx
Space was pleasantly surprising
mortal cipher
indeed
keen abyss
he turned so many losing fights with a 1-2k bomb
hot onyx
Could be a high/top tier ot if he stays consistent
keen abyss
both kevster and space had big clutch bombs tbh
mortal cipher
oh for sure
tropic herald
It’s worth noting a fair amount of those were set up by Birdring
keen abyss
i liked how they put ilios as the first map
felt like a throwback to the first run in between the teams this year
mortal cipher
birdring is good
tropic herald
Shock and Ilios have a past
keen abyss
birdring had a lot of good moments yeah
it just sucks he wasn't able to build the EMP on the second king's row attack
tropic herald
Only real ones remember Shock on Ilios last year against Philly in the countdown cup qualifiers
hot onyx
Yeah 
earnest leaf
Where ans 1v6ed?
hot onyx
Choi and Ans too good
keen abyss
ironically ans' best performance was on the sombra
north relic
i mean ans did have 72 final blows in a match or smth
keen abyss
been a gladiators fan since day one so seeing the reversal here felt really good
hot onyx
top 5 dvas in the league?
Manneten EQO Hydration Seagull and Lateyoung
north relic
honestly give cree 3 flashbangs so he cant get dived
forest raven
Manneten EQO Hydration Seagull and Lateyoung
Mickie
keen abyss
when gladiators won ilios then lost the next 2 maps i was really scared that we were going to get a repeat
tropic herald
tropic herald
Watch first map
forest raven
How did Ans look
hot onyx
Watch first map
I’d rather not
keen abyss
fuck i was going to do gladiators 3-2 shock on pick ems but i didn't get to it last night
north relic
so far my pickems have been perfect
tropic herald
How did Ans look
He played two maps, wasn’t really bad or good but Shock also didn’t win either
north relic
cant wait until valiant upset spark
forest raven
Fair enough
mortal cipher
mine died day 1
willow tartan
Shock lost because no striker
hot onyx
so far my pickems have been perfect
Same
forest raven
Striker 
mortal cipher
Shock lost because no striker
you see how important striker is now
willow tartan
He's always been important.
mortal cipher
if you didnt before you see now
tropic herald
Ngl at one point in the sfs glads game I thought it would be 3-0
mortal cipher
since boston
willow tartan
Between him and choi, they were the two most important players on their team.
earnest leaf
Striker doesn't change the outcome imo
mortal cipher
oh for sure
north relic
Between him and choi, they were the two most important players on their team.
taiyo maybe a little more
willow tartan
Striker doesn't change the outcome imo
Striker tracer would've prevented kevster from free farming.
But you're right, as a whole, shock were not prepared.
forest raven
Am I hearing it correctly that hackfist might be meta
willow tartan
I want Philly to come into full swing this stage.
tropic herald
It’s not defined yet
earnest leaf
We don't know the meta yet
tropic herald
Only glads played it
mortal cipher
I want Philly to come into full swing this stage.
please
tropic herald
I could see Hackfist being strong
hot onyx
I want Philly to come into full swing this stage.
Fastro and sHockWave will grant that wish
willow tartan
o7
shadow dagger
hackfist ya love to see it
willow tartan
hackfist letsgooo
earnest leaf
I don't care for hack fist too much
wooo team farms emp, doom rng punches someone, rinse repeat
willow tartan
next we see reaper mei rush
shadow dagger
wooo team farms emp, doom rng punches someone, rinse repeat
yep
willow tartan
hackfist can be dismantled by teams if they are organised tho
hot onyx
Heesu ChipSa hackfist dream gone
shadow dagger
next we see reaper mei rush
dear good comps: we’ll miss you
willow tartan
haha as if lucio moira rush was a good comp
shadow dagger
at least it’s not hackfist
stuck radish
remember when metas were fun
willow tartan
fuck no
stuck radish
yeah me neither
forest raven
If Shock doesn't make it to Hawaii again my expectations for the threepeat will go from hopeful to unlikely 
willow tartan
id prefer goats over lucio moira, at least there's a maximum of two dva bombs at once
hot onyx
Hot take but the only comps I disliked were all the grand finals comps
north relic
hackfist is miles better than lucio moira
what about double shield
stuck radish
anything is
orisa sigma bastion sombra bap brig
shadow dagger
If Shock doesn't make it to Hawaii again my expectations for the threepeat will ...
If ans doesn’t get bent over they can do it
earnest leaf
It will all come down to how the meta really shakes out
willow tartan
what about double shield
double shield is the best comp in the game to watch at an OWL level
earnest leaf
if shock get one that lets ans perma run widow or ashe they can pop off
willow tartan
second is sombra dive
stuck radish
Hot take but the only comps I disliked were all the grand finals comps
you mean you don't like double sniper?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!
north relic
double shield is the best comp in the game to watch at an OWL level
honestly if both teams are good i feel like goats is great
forest raven
Titans Shock Stage 1 and 2 finals in 2019 were the greatest games of overwatch ever played
shadow dagger
honestly if both teams are good i feel like goats is great
was*
hot onyx
you mean you *don't* like double sniper?!?!?!?!?!??!?!!
Occasional double sniper is fine but with a roadhog meta is just too much cc
north relic
if open queue still existed in owl would goats still be meta
tawdry hamlet
I enjoy widow and pharah comps at owl level 
stuck radish
but what about Bastion
hot onyx
Double shield was hella fun with genji
mortal cipher
true
hot onyx
2020 SS meta > CC meta
north relic
ss meta was great
earnest leaf
that meta was dogshit
It was just double shield poke but used genji for combos
boring af
north relic
it has genji and thats enough for a lot of people
hot onyx
Felt more deathball than poke but ok
earnest leaf
It wasn't even the fun version of genji
all he did was get brig packs, dash halts, and blade/bongo combo
north relic
more blade halts
keen abyss
i'd love to see an open queue OWL event
i think goats would be a lot more map dependent because of brig nerfs and stuff
hot onyx
Tbh the only times I hate a meta is when it goes on for half a season like goats
hot onyx
So many people complain about so many metas it’s unreal
mortal cipher
fr
keen abyss
goats was a good meta
stuck radish
So many people complain about so many metas it’s unreal
"every meta was ass except the time my hero was the best hero in the game"
hot onyx
“Hog is boring”
tropic herald
Season 2 Stage 3 best finals o7
hot onyx
“Hackfist is boring”
keen abyss
i'm loving watching these echoes and tracers as much as i hate the heroes in game
forest raven
Double shield is better than double sniper and the monkey echo rush in the journament
hot onyx
“Rush is boring”
forest raven
Rein rush is pag
forest raven
Hog's fun but not when it's double sniper
forest raven
Goats was sick
hot onyx
And after 2-3 months it’ll become boring when it’s played over and over and over and over
stuck radish
hog dva bastion pharah lucio zen
keen abyss
Make your own
lucio moira rein rein zarya zarya
stuck radish
thats a non boring meta
hot onyx
Honestly
forest raven
Why is bastion there 
keen abyss
that's what i've been saying
hot onyx
Astro lucio Alarm zen
hot onyx
FDGod lucio Viol2t zen
keen abyss
matrix your rein and rush the fuck out of them
keen abyss
the fuel vs gladiators runback will be legendary
stuck radish
meta needs to turn to double hitscan so dallas gets fucked
north relic
if current glads played goats they would be too good
earnest leaf
Could be fucking sombra tracer monkey dva ana brig dive again
keen abyss
if current glads played goats they would be too good
with a designated brig player holy shit yeah they would
earnest leaf
Shock praying for a perma widow meta
keen abyss
mirror plays zarya yeah?
tropic herald
Yes
north relic
yea
keen abyss
they'd just need to work on muze's rein
but then they'd be perfect for it
poor kevster though
tropic herald
MuZe rein isn’t even bad
earnest leaf
muze is just like every other korean mt
keen abyss
it's not bad but it's not top tier
tropic herald
He got diffed by fearless and super that’s it
earnest leaf
really solid winston
hot onyx
Mirror zarya Skewed brig and regular tank and support line would be broken
earnest leaf
but a B tier rein
tropic herald
His Orisa is really good too
mortal cipher
ah
tropic herald
I’d rate his Orisa and monkey up there
keen abyss
imagine throwing this current team back into 2019
forest raven
They'd still lose to Shock and Titans
keen abyss
they'd probably be up there with them i'd say
north relic
moth vs moth
keen abyss
true
tropic herald
Fearless Void Decay Haksal Slime Twilight
keen abyss
moth will be cloned
tropic herald
next mesa
shit isn't confirmed meta
who cares
have u forgotten how fucking long dallas' dick is
they dont give no fucks they play their strengths
earnest leaf
dick wasn't long enough to win last stage
willow tartan
on hog*
next mesa
fearless ball is literally bot
next mesa
lol hog
tropic herald
Dragons just better
next mesa
lets fucking go baby
willow tartan
^^^
willow tartan
dragons are just better
next mesa
sparkle doom literally I cum everytime
so fucking sexy to watch
fearless monke sparkle doom doha sombra? i fucking lost bro
balmy wolf
i just see more tracer comps with ball
willow tartan
The Shanghai Dragons will win the Summer Showdown.
balmy wolf
or rein with tracer
next mesa
shock played rein without lucio it was weird
tropic herald
shock played rein without lucio it was weird
Super was in, you want him off rein?
next mesa
yeah ik obv i meant like
north relic
supers best hero is genji
north relic
super isnt that bad of a monkey
willow tartan
instead of getting super off rein what if you get fdgod on lucio
next mesa
so did fdgod.
tropic herald
Bc doom guy too strong 😡
tropic herald
twilight died so many times first ngl
Brig diff
next mesa
skewed was cracked yeah
next mesa
I mean the amount of like nano smurf he denied
tropic herald
If you want to see a brig diff
Just watch Skewed
That man makes brig gameplay enjoyable
willow tartan
who was the guy that said skewed was the weakest link on lag
north relic
who do you think is?
willow tartan
space.
tropic herald
I don’t think they had a weak link today
stuck radish
kevster obv
willow tartan
not today
stuck radish
kevster is so bad
next mesa
space wasnt weaklink today
willow tartan
the context was just in general
north relic
kevster lost his power after showing his face
stuck radish
kevster hasnt even beat chipsa smh
north relic
kevster hasnt even beat chipsa smh
chipsa best winrate in owl
willow tartan
can chipsa get signed again for hackfist
pls
pls
pls
pls
he would clap cheeks if doom becomes meta
north relic
rascal carpe cant be a bad duo for hackfist
willow tartan
the reason chipsa didnt play basically at all last season was bc blizz devs cucked him and no doomfist meta
stuck radish
if hackfist becomes meta then chipsa doesnt have an excuse to complain about doom without contradicting himself
next mesa
carpe's doom isnt top and rascal's sombra isn't top
whoru doom lip sombra doe?
perhaps
willow tartan
summer showdown champion material
if whoru actually integrated and not perma benched like diem and erster
stuck radish
is ta1yo not played because hes bad or its just the heroes he plays are never good
willow tartan
hes genji specialist
north relic
shock dps is just too good
willow tartan
also hes japanese
north relic
he speaks english fine
stuck radish
ta1yo might actually work in a doom meta
north relic
what would he play
stuck radish
doom
north relic
isnt taiyo more of a hitscan player
stuck radish
i dont think so
tropic herald
Taiyo is a hitscan player
willow tartan
they dont need taiyo they have glister to play hitscan
stuck radish
really because last time i heard he was a genji/hanzo specialist
willow tartan
he is
tropic herald
He played hitscan for Third Impact and then got picked up for Shock in a Genji meta
willow tartan
genji player
north relic
liquidpedia says Tracer
Genji
Ashe
Reaper
Widowmaker
willow tartan
he was supposed to play genji but then got benched over fkn super
north relic
taiyo is shock's jinmu
balmy wolf
jinmu actually is a freak of dps tho
trail perch
Shock needs to get their shit together
Dont sub in Fd to play brig
Dont run Nero
Allow glister to flex
Run glister ans 90% of the time
Unless Pharah then let nero out of jail
keen abyss
wasn't nero doing pretty well today
north relic
who would nero play in shock
keen abyss
he ran the torb today and it went pretty well
stuck radish
they also lost
keen abyss
the 2 maps they won were when nero was in
they just choked lijiang
the torb comp was the only success they had
keen abyss
still worked when it was torb
north relic
nero or ans mei better?
keen abyss
they won KR because of torb
if they'd had ans in on king's row they would've lost it so hard
keen abyss
glads were playing really well on king's row, good moltens and torb plays saved the shock so hard
keen abyss
would you put ans on reaper then
trail perch
Glister is just a better flex player than nero
Yeah its reaper
They could have ran mei cree
to stun sombra and doom
keen abyss
ans' cree wasn't doing it today
keen abyss
the nero torb was what gave shock a chance
they were only losing when it was glister ans until lijiang
i don't remember the lijiang match too well, it was like a fever dream
also because it was short i guess
i think that if they give ans a bit more time then you'll be right
he's still having to readjust to OWL
vagrant cargo
stuck radish
when did he face chipsa
willow tartan
now Houston needs to do that
gusty rampart
Not the same team without Striker
I'm happy Ans is back but I'm sad Striker is gone
earnest leaf
yea
Looked actually pretty good on sombra even though they lost that map
His cree didn't get much value because of comp diff for the other times
digital cloud
I remember his sombra was pretty decent
so is he looking like he is going to be back to form?
earnest leaf
It will be hard because atm the meta doesn't seem to favor widow/ashe
But then again he can farm london and paris
stuck radish
sparkr might give him a hard time tho
keen abyss
ans training arc
stuck radish
shock will win but still
earnest leaf
sparkr was struggling with onigod
Just remember
the only person to roll ans
was the Chad Babybay
No one else has
next mesa
so is he looking like he is going to be back to form?
Maybe 80%
gusty rampart
Sparkr did good today
next mesa
His aim is there it looks like the teamwork not that good
Peel
Position
Yeah comp diff too
plush grail
chad jmac
tawdry hamlet
As much as Paris org sucks for going so budget at least they have one of the most competent coach manager setups
And Kaan
sullen berry
yeah it really is competitive
devout path
I fell asleep during game 5 sadge
sullen berry
just not at the same level as their former selves
devout path
Who won
sullen berry
fell asleep during map 4 against paris
they handed Spitfire and SparkR his first L in the overwatch league
devout path
The only team London can beat is titans
feral zodiac
Valiant when they both reach grand finals 💪
sullen berry
valiant 
devout path
That’s next tourney
gusty rampart
NYXL v Charge
balmy wolf
devout path
Thank u
balmy wolf
np
gusty rampart
Everyone on the left side for Eastern will win
worldly flax
I feel like spitfire vs shock will be a close 2-3 
balmy wolf
sure
gusty rampart
Not at all
gusty rampart
3-1 is Spitfire gets lucky
devout path
And nyxl
worldly flax
why did shock lose to glads though
devout path
Cuz glads built diff
gusty rampart
why did shock lose to glads though <:ZenyattaCry:710408700585705503>
Because Glads is God Tier team
devout path
Ppl actually forgot glads had a stacked lineup
gusty rampart
Lmao true
devout path
Ppl forgot kevster was a contender for best fdps in the world and birdring was a god tier hitscan too
devout path
What about them
They beat charge easily
devout path
They literally made it to top 4
gusty rampart
They got lucky with matchups lmao
worldly flax
stream's now live 
let's get those tokens
sullen berry
Valiant's time to shine - and get one more map win for the org
keen abyss
Ppl forgot kevster was a contender for best fdps in the world and birdring was a...
he sure displayed that today damn
volskaya was his playground
tawdry hamlet
Nyxl will beat charge, they're at least better than them especially with no hero bans 
sullen berry
seominsoo flexing that N/A statistic
tawdry hamlet
Guxue rein
devout path
Wow ok sadge
sullen berry
🤝 
devout path
Fine
sullen berry
charge beating NYXL a second time
devout path
U made me
sullen berry
and spark whooping valiant
worldly flax
hope spark wins
sullen berry
both of them getting the Ws to assert chinese supremacy
devout path
Charge lose x
tawdry hamlet
sullen berry
time to make me some dinner
tawdry hamlet
sullen berry
michael can you jumbo
tawdry hamlet
!jumbo
young fractalBOT
tawdry hamlet
tawdry hamlet
Eh
The reaper plan I think didn't work
Since immortality and brig kind of negates his value
sullen berry
epic gamer
tawdry hamlet
Oof
balmy wolf
is winning???????
tawdry hamlet
Apac inconsistency vibes
balmy wolf
gold 3 lmao
tawdry hamlet
Why did he roll into point with a Sombra on it while low was he just trying to reset?
balmy wolf
valiant doing something?
tawdry hamlet
I see I see
tawdry hamlet
He was trying to hit the mines with a boop
balmy wolf
losing to valiant
sullen berry
EMPminsoo
tawdry hamlet
balmy wolf
ok nvm
balmy wolf
didnt doubt spark for a second
sullen berry
this is going to be a 10 OWL Token match
tawdry hamlet
Ball zarya brig zen
tawdry hamlet
bronze turtle
so what is up with LA using the hunters spray all the time
balmy wolf
LA Valiant sucks
devout path
LA Valiant sucks
Yeah they really do
noble nexus
nah they're gonna make toyou go winston and marve1 play zarya next round
remote siren
mortal abyss
What was that
Lmao
Leave needs spinal surgery after that performance
And yet chengdu still didn’t win
_>
mortal abyss
when you can make more time to watch more OWL
Indeed
devout path
Seoul learning wtf
devout path
Who woulda thought that a main tank on main tank is a good idea
Hold up tho
This is scary now
Cuz the individual skill of seoul is insane
I’m worried ab what Seoul can do now
mortal abyss
Leave is just unfair
devout path
Then they get full held by leave
forest raven
MARVE ONE 
ivory stag
i wish if you got league skins it would change abilities and ult colors to the skin like we see in OWL
i get why they dont though
if two ppl had same skin on enemy teams you would get confused on stuff
forest raven
Yeah overwatch already has enough particle effects
mortal abyss
Jimmy is so bad but then every now and again he pops off and everyone thinks he’s good
ivory stag
especially if both temas had moiras with away skins whos orb is whos and is it heal or dmg
mortal abyss
Taro is so much better then jimmy idk dude
idle beacon
i srsly hate hanzo
ivory stag
my fav hero
idle beacon
brkn crap hero
he can 1shot enemys. whereas cree cant. how is it does a bullet out of crees colt deals less dmg than an arrow? 😛
ivory stag
only hero he can 1 shot is at full health is tracer
idle beacon
where can i see which heroes are banned?
forest raven
No hero bans for summer showdown
forest raven
She works on Hanamura
tawdry hamlet
Torb has been played a lot recently
idle beacon
hm ok
mortal abyss
Torb seemed to be a counterstrat to the doom hack fist comps
idle beacon
only hero he can 1 shot is at full health is tracer
when did they change it? i remember hanzo 1shot killin reapers
forest raven
Hanzo one shots every non tank except bastion
ivory stag
idk i bitched about it like you to a group of friends and all them said i was wrong and that he only can 1 shot tracer at full health
either way he deff isnt broken otherwise he would be ran by owl a lot more
hes just broken at lower elos
forest raven
Seoul running Marve One on main tank with an actual off tank player
Never thought I'd see the day
noble nexus
I'm convinced hanzo's arrows curve
idle beacon
the fact pisses me off that cree can't 1shot a 200hp hero with a bullet, but hanzo can. just damn unrealistic
mortal abyss
I'm convinced hanzo's arrows curve
They have drop off
noble nexus
mean to the left and right
ivory stag
thats cause cree is already busted af
idle beacon
damn, already over
ivory stag
has a busted stun and a right click to combo one shot and he has 225 hp
mortal abyss
mean to the left and right
Oh I don’t believe they do it’s just the hitbox can be wonky
noble nexus
the fact pisses me off that cree can't 1shot a 200hp hero with a bullet, but han...
yeah but the character that can resurrect people is realistic
idle beacon
charge vs nyxl. interesting to watch?
forest raven
@noble nexus
noble nexus
LOL
tawdry hamlet
Madamada
ivory stag
i miss scatter arrow shit was fun
noble nexus
that's the direction the arrow followed
that's why hanzo's arrow hitboxes suck fat dick
it makes no sense
ivory stag
true he is more powerful than ashe widow and cree but he is less played because projectile is much harder to master and actually be good at compared to point shoot hitscan
idle beacon
@noble nexuslol what?
keen abyss
Hanzo one shots every non tank except bastion
torb
idle beacon
never seen such fkd up hitboxes. lol 😮
noble nexus
it's like hanzo players roll a dice every time they charge their arrow
mortal abyss
In lower ranks sure but watching pros play on hanzo is 👌
ivory stag
wanna talk about bad bullet reg look at mercy ult she gets a infinite pistol and have you seen the reg on that
mortal abyss
In lower ranks sure but watching pros play on hanzo is 👌
Like that game ivy had against Washington last year
idle beacon
wanna talk about bad bullet reg look at mercy ult she gets a infinite pistol and...
ye same with bby dva
ivory stag
go to practice range pick mercy use pistol on bots aim 1 inch to left or right you still get hits
keen abyss
hanzo shows up a lot in NA top 500
keen abyss
not much in asia top 500
noble nexus
ana sleep hitbox is dumb too
keen abyss
hanzo theoretically has one of the most broken kits
mortal abyss
not much in asia top 500
That’s because asia tend to play more dive comps where hanzo gets less value
tawdry hamlet
Asia top 500 runs mostly meta
idle beacon
but, does it also depend on the ping that it looks like you can hit even if ur miles away? i've only seen such shots when the enemy had a higher ping than me
forest raven
I know I'm big monke man but I've been hit by sleeps on winston when Ana literally wasn't looking at me
ivory stag
im just waiting for a bunkerish comp that allows for hanzo just so he gets an owl skin
keen abyss
in pve hanzo is the best hero by a large margin, he just falls off against anyone with a brain
idle beacon
I know I'm big monke man but I've been hit by sleeps on winston when Ana literal...
sounds like the crap which happened yday to me. i've already blinked away (as tracer) but still got kiled. i was like, already gone.
ivory stag
just cause a projectile sniper gets destroyed by dive and hitscan sniper anytime
devout path
i wish if you got league skins it would change abilities and ult colors to the s...
You can change team colors if you want
In colorblind settings
ivory stag
i have that already but it dont change abils
id love to have a matching orange dragons on my hanzo to match the skin kek
keen abyss
sounds like the crap which happened yday to me. i've already blinked away (as tr...
ping probably
mortal abyss
id love to have a matching orange dragons on my hanzo to match the skin kek
What hanzo skin do you use?
keen abyss
there have been tons of occurrences where i've uppercutted people as doom but gotten teleported back down after being stunned or slept
ivory stag
What hanzo skin do you use?
i change it up alot i use business one cause the bow looks clean then ill use hanzo young or cyber archer just for orange and white color scheme
i know the two wolf ones but they lame skins aside from the dragons being wolves
i also switch betwen shock, hunters, and fusoin away skins for the white and orange too
Maybe one day he will get a Robin hood skin haha i see it possible more so since ashe got the red riding hood skin
sullen berry
hype trailer after hype trailer
this somewhat makes up for not having the korean breaks
round 2: Charge boogaloo
keen abyss
sleep dart is a skillshot guys
that fucking clip that was just shown in the stream lmao
ivory stag
listen ana player = spam sleeps like it's hanzo's storm arrow and lob anti nades on cooldown like they junkrat balls
idle beacon
@keen abysswell i'm on 30-40ms .. so i guess the opponent was on 80+ ?
lol the name
hammond eject. would be interesting, indeed 😄
keen abyss
pretty sure ping favors the person with lower ping
idle beacon
no sbb 😦
keen abyss
you surely aren't always on 30-40
idle beacon
i am
keen abyss
i have some games where i'm on an east coast server and get 80-90 instead
there's no shot you never get those games
idle beacon
it could've been that the opponent was on 5-10. then it'd make sense again. or higher than me.
keen abyss
do people get ping that low
forest raven
I'm always on 16-19 ping
ivory stag
im just glad we back to these style of fights junes fights were so boring
forest raven
Sbb is never going to play with Profit on the team
idle beacon
wtf
forest raven
NY dropped everyone besides Jj
idle beacon
noowaaaaay???? 😮
forest raven
Why do you think they're running these players
idle beacon
was it worth it?
forest raven
NY probably dropped them all because they couldn't pay for them
idle beacon
mehj
forest raven
A lot of teams have gone budget because of covid and losing homestands
idle beacon
and why is sbb having probs with profit? whats that about?
forest raven
No problems, Profit's just better
idle beacon
o.O
forest raven
Far, far bigger hero pool, and Profit's most likely a better tracer as well anyway
forest raven
Profit's been a top 5 dps player since 2017 my guy
forest raven
idle beacon
carpe, fleta
forest raven
Point is Profit's been one of the best dps players in the world for four years
idle beacon
cant remember all of'm
ivory stag
bring back mercy team rez ult Kappa
idle beacon
what happened that profit left sptfire ?
ivory stag
i feel dva tracer and sombra are used in meta or in most owl match ups since the games been out lol
tawdry hamlet
Tracer indeed 
idle beacon
rascal ye
forest raven
Spitfire dropped all the big Korean players in 2019
tawdry hamlet
Carpe is a hitscan, he doesn't really play much projectile in league
tawdry hamlet
Libero never got signed
idle beacon
lol crypto. rly ?
mortal abyss
Yeah
forest raven
i feel dva tracer and sombra are used in meta or in most owl match ups since the...
Because they're all fucking insane at the top mechanical and coordinated level
forest raven
Dva can do everything, tracer is unkillable and does insane damage, and sombra has the best ult in the entire game
sullen berry
Cr0ng, ladies and gentleman
idle beacon
whats this music?
ivory stag
Because they're all fucking insane at the top mechanical and coordinated level
dva tracer deff, sombra nahhh id say she only up there because one busted ult that works great with teams wo push together properly
idle beacon
i need it
raw ermine
Dva can do everything, tracer is unkillable and does insane damage, and sombra h...
whoa buddy. you forgot about death blossom
forest raven
That's what I said
Sombra's used because her ult is the best in the game
At the level of coordination OWL is played at
mortal abyss
Crong is so good
ivory stag
my opinoin stop buffing dva lol, make tracers blink regen slower and nerf tf outta sombras ult
tawdry hamlet
But then we'd get a sniper shield meta and that's cringe
ivory stag
so do a video short where ashe widow and hanzo all die tragically in a car crash or something
tawdry hamlet
I prefer singular sniper, it is my favorite comp
idle beacon
my opinoin stop buffing dva lol, make tracers blink regen slower and nerf tf out...
want some cheese?
ivory stag
want some cheese?
id watch bastion bunker with widow any day
tawdry hamlet
Also if tracer and sombra suck ball and echo get better
ivory stag
lol
mortal abyss
Also if tracer and sombra suck ball and echo get better <:monkaS:464860287409848...
Oh god
idle beacon
bastion bunker is fkn borin
ivory stag
i just think sombras ult is a bit much maybe make it to where it only stops ults not abilities or something idk'
tawdry hamlet
I loved ball at first because nobody really took advantage of his kit but now he's just so annoying to watch
forest raven
Bunker was the absolute worst comp this game has ever seen
idle beacon
emp doesn't stop visor
tawdry hamlet
Visor sucks though just walk around cover or be a tank
ivory stag
ball's grapple deff needs a timer once you grapple something you should only get 4-8 seconds before it detaches
his going in an out of ball form should have a cooldown but it would have to be real short or he would be useless maybe similar to dva's 1-2 second right click cooldown matrix
idle beacon
emp doesn't even stop primal rage, right?
forest raven
EMP doesn't cancel transformation ults if they're already happening
idle beacon
still he deals more dmg. genji's ult is also continuing, just can't dash around anymore
devout path
Doesn’t stop rally
forest raven
They just can't use any abilities besides shoot or melee
devout path
Trans
idle beacon
emp doesn't stop rally? 😮
idle beacon
see, emp isn't so op like you think, freedom 🙂
devout path
Emp is broken
ivory stag
imagine having an ult in a game called emp that hacks and shuts down electronics, ie ults and abils but it cant stop a electronic aimbot visor
devout path
Emp does stop an emp however
idle beacon
yea. i agree.. blizz do have dumb mistakes in their game 😄
ivory stag
it doesnt shut down junkrat's tire if its out already right?
idle beacon
emp stops an emp? what??
sullen berry
it doesnt shut down junkrat's tire if its out already right?
correct
idle beacon
really?
devout path
You can’t cast an emp if you’re empd
sullen berry
if you have two EMPs that were pulled off at the exact same time, you'd have to come down to frames
quaint aurora
Yakpung?
sullen berry
one of them is definitely going to be faster
devout path
By milliseconds
idle beacon
oh. i thought you'd stop emp'd teammates, if you use your own emp
ivory stag
if mines are out and emp goes off do they still dmg or do they just pop when you touch them but with no dmg?
quaint aurora
Yakpung feeding wtf
devout path
if mines are out and emp goes off do they still dmg or do they just pop when you...
They don’t interact
forest raven
Yeah they're there but they don't do anything for the duration of EMP
ivory stag
i assume same with mei freeze it stops it if its mid blizzard?
devout path
Blizzard continues I think
sullen berry
Charge9
proper vigil
blizzard continues
ivory stag
ah, idk shit about sombra i can't play her she doesnt fit my play style
proper vigil
since mei robot buddy no longer becomes targetable
quaint aurora
Most deplorable style ult probably don’t stop after emp
idle beacon
i love sombra
quaint aurora
I don’t like her ult personally
ivory stag
^^ this other than that she fine
idle beacon
tf are charge doin
quaint aurora
But her kit is better than it was 2-3 years ago
Idk I feel like both teams are playing p weird
ivory stag
idk i liked the 10 second invis made playing her much more difficult
keen abyss
my opinoin stop buffing dva lol, make tracers blink regen slower and nerf tf out...
awful take
ivory stag
you may think so i dont
keen abyss
nerfing blink is the worst thing you could do
ivory stag
^
proper vigil
didnt they say they dont want to mess with how tracer kit flows
ivory stag
sadly
sullen berry
you know a nyxl match is sleeper when
keen abyss
that would trip out top level tracer players so much that live and breathe and completely play around their understanding of blink’s cd
ivory stag
mainly because there isnt anything you could do with her without making her trash
ivory stag
that would trip out top level tracer players so much that live and breathe and c...
simple dont be a 1 trick loser
quaint aurora
Tracer’s kit is like pure skill
There’s no cheese in that shit
No flash fan or max charge punch
keen abyss
one tricking has nothing to do what I said
ivory stag
they could make her rewind bs give her back only 25-50% hp instead that wouldnt fuck with flow to bad
quaint aurora
Why don’t you like tracer bruh
idle beacon
a temporal 175HP after a recall would be cool.
keen abyss
nerf her primary fire in some way
ivory stag
that too
keen abyss
that in turn makes it harder to get pulse bomb
quaint aurora
Just get a brig and she won’t do anything to their backline
proper vigil
they already nerf her pistols every now and then
keen abyss
they shouldn’t fuck with blink and recall
ivory stag
that in turn makes it harder to get pulse bomb
lower dmg out put and make her ult easier to get then?
idle beacon
come on. you talk like tracer is op / broken
keen abyss
don’t make her ult easier to get
ivory stag
come on. you talk like tracer is op / broken
as a hanzo main who hates her yes to me she is lol
proper vigil
its her pistols, recall and ult they usually touch. her blink i think has never really gotten any significant changes,
tawdry hamlet
come on. you talk like tracer is op / broken
In fairness tracer has been meta for like two years when she isn't banned lmao
keen abyss
and that’s good blink should never be changed
forest raven
The only changes tracer has had is to her ult and damage falloff
proper vigil
wasnt double sheild last year
forest raven
She has literally never been changed outside of those two things
proper vigil
and tracer wasnt meta
idle beacon
ye but tracer isnt an easy dps hero
devout path
Tracer is hard
idle beacon
so why screw her up?
ivory stag
most of what i see its tracer on dps then either echo, sombra ashe or cree
forest raven
Tracer is the hardest hero in the game
devout path
That’s why teams have dedicated tracer players
keen abyss
Winston is really hard
tawdry hamlet
Yes
ivory stag
That’s why teams have dedicated tracer players
chipsa best tracer player ever
keen abyss
I reckon he’s the hardest tank
forest raven
Winston's up there, but I still think Tracer takes the cake
idle beacon
chipsa best tracer?
ivory stag
kek yep
devout path
Tracer is harder than monkey cuz tracer is always hard in her gameplay while monkey is only really hard during primal
tawdry hamlet
It's a meme 
ivory stag
monkey left click go brrrrrrrr
keen abyss
engaging and disengaging as monkey is what makes him hard
quaint aurora
Tracer is harder than monkey cuz tracer is always hard in her gameplay while mon...
Well he’s really hard gamesense wise but tracer is almost constantly difficult
tawdry hamlet
Tracer employs aim movement and cooldown tracking all at once
Hence why I'm bad with her
forest raven
Tracer's like the culmination of every skill required to excel in ow
ivory stag
how much dmg does icicle do?
devout path
how much dmg does icicle do?
75
idle beacon
engaging and disengaging as monkey is what makes him hard
exactly
keen abyss
same damage as an ashe shot
devout path
150 for headshot
keen abyss
I think
quaint aurora
Icicle is bs
ivory stag
didnt they say they changing mei up in ow2?
devout path
Yeah that got nerfed to 75
devout path
didnt they say they changing mei up in ow2?
Primary fire
proper vigil
no longer freezes
quaint aurora
Yeah they’re changing her
proper vigil
just slows
quaint aurora
Maybe they’re going to change other things, can’t say yet
ivory stag
i wonder if ult with freeze still to or if it will just slow and dmg
proper vigil
im sure ult will freeze
proper vigil
reducing cc across the board
idle beacon
they should delete hammond
forest raven
If goats was the peak of moba overwatch, I imagine overwatch 2 is gonna be the peak of fps overwatch