They're the antagonists but everybody likes Jojos
#esports-discussion
feral zodiac
Protagonist is ans
willow drum
ye, I feel like with Ans back, protagonist is Sf shock
feral zodiac
Big bad is fearless
noble nexus
The protagonist will always be super
willow drum
The protagonist will always be super
tru
noble nexus
He’s too inspiring not to be
feral zodiac
Protagonist of the bench
noble nexus
It’s like a beacon of hope for shock fans
noble nexus
Idk I feel like the shock could made that game close if they played to their potential
willow drum
Idk I feel like the shock could made that game close if they played to their pot...
exactly
which is why I think OWL scripted
like come on
noble nexus
Yeah owl is scripted
feral zodiac
dallas decided they did not want to lose
Then shanghai popped
digital cloud
shock without moth just isn't the same
noble nexus
Common knowledge mate
digital cloud
they lose games they really should win
but ans coming back ought to improve them somewhat
earnest leaf
I mean, they've only lost 3 times
one was incredibly close
the other two were just flat sweeps
you could argue moth would of saved the houston loss
but not the other two
feral zodiac
The other two were flat out diffs on all roles except maybe tracer
Also fusion gonna come good just watch
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The Houston Loss
was just happy pounding
and SF Shock being not SF Shock
Like that match was closer than close
digital cloud
janggu was crazy that series too
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ye
digital cloud
he and piggy have impressed the fuck out of me
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even with all of the houston players
preforming their best
against a very weak SF Shock
tawdry hamlet
digital cloud
I like dreamer ok but jjanggu needs to be in all the time
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they only managed to beat by the slightest of hairs
tawdry hamlet
Striker for a rusty ans hmm
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which is why I think that Shock would beat Outlaws again
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joobi's too limited
digital cloud
and the team still needs some time for synergy
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as long as jake and danteh, the two mega chads
are in
they win
jake just enchants everybody with his beauty
tawdry hamlet
Joobi literally only knows how to play lucio
feral zodiac
Shock vs outlaws I want to see solely to see happy vs ans on widow
digital cloud
plus the coaches don't seem to think jjanggu is the clear best option when he is
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plus the coaches don't seem to think jjanggu is the clear best option when he is
he's not in orisa metas
digital cloud
joobi has a better mercy than jake
feral zodiac
Dreamer is better on orisa/ball no?
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Dreamer is better on orisa/ball no?
dreamer better on orisa
digital cloud
he isn't, like, a tier above, but I think his synergy with piggy elevates him on most roles
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and its close enough on ball/monkey
digital cloud
his orisa is definitely acceptable but I think dreamer edges him there
every other tank though jjanggu > dreamer
especially his chad rein
his rein makes me feel things
next mesa
gives me korean super vibes
feral zodiac
Ye but he's not a twig
next mesa
yea except he looks chad irl as well
feral zodiac
Piggy is the most buff man in owl
digital cloud
piggy is so underrated, he and jjanggu are honestly such a good pickup
Houston always had a bunch of holes but this tankline really improves them so much
also happy makes linkzr look so much worse in comparison
feral zodiac
Well they have sort of went from muma or hydration as main tank picks to dreamer or jjangu
stuck radish
why does linkzr want to win games but joins vancouver
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Holy shit
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why does linkzr want to win games but joins vancouver
probably his only contract
honestly
digital cloud
linkzr knew no one else was gonna take him
dude is getting old and he was on old houston
feral zodiac
Did meko find a team
next mesa
smart man thats true linkzr is pretty bad
digital cloud
not really many teams gonna want that over contendies
I mean, linkzr really had his moments
feral zodiac
Also I'm sad, all the old players are becoming bad/retiring
digital cloud
if he had been on a better team maybe we would be talking about him as an og
stuck radish
remember when danteh said his coach said there are no good players in contenders
digital cloud
oh god
feral zodiac
Lolll
feral zodiac
Wasn't that the season ans came in as well
digital cloud
I think so lol
stuck radish
was ans even in contenders
feral zodiac
Ye
digital cloud
ye
willow drum
ye
feral zodiac
In a bad contenders team
digital cloud
I forget which team but I don't think he was on it too long
feral zodiac
A lot of really good players come from bad contenders teams
digital cloud
then he retired?
feral zodiac
Ye
digital cloud
and then shock found him somehow
man their scouting is crazy
looks like houston scouting is good too
which other teams have good scouting?
feral zodiac
Amazing where monet gets you
digital cloud
none really come to mind, since many just grab the better looking contenders players
feral zodiac
which other teams have good scouting?
Valiant before the new ownership
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aspire arguably new ans
digital cloud
he did look great
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mhm
feral zodiac
Spark have decent scouting
digital cloud
but eh, I don't think one time is really good enough
feral zodiac
Is aspire 18?
digital cloud
I would argue that joobi, piggy, jjanggu, and to an extent crimzo were all scouting
so like, fourish
feral zodiac
Wait aspire is playing?
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man looks like he's 11 tbh
feral zodiac
I've never heard of this man in my life
digital cloud
kevster could be like, 7 for all we know
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Aspire did play
willow drum
kevster could be like, 7 for all we know
he isn't
feral zodiac
Did he slap
digital cloud
oh wait they showed him I forgot
digital cloud
the meme is dead noooooooooo
feral zodiac
Oh, so far nyxl scouting has paid off
digital cloud
they did scout jjonnak
willow drum
so rip
digital cloud
who else though?
digital cloud
he was a ranked guy man
digital cloud
he definitely wasn't on the radar for most people
that alone probably saves nyxl scouting
feral zodiac
Season 1 was largely based on popularity over skill
willow drum
ye
digital cloud
true but for the time jjonnak was crazy
feral zodiac
So scouting was probs dogshit
willow drum
if we're being real nice to jjnak
digital cloud
profit and birdring so overrated
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he's in top 5 flex
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profit and birdring so overrated
they are now
digital cloud
top five?
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in s1, pounded
feral zodiac
Profit and birdring were extremely good in s1
digital cloud
no way jjonnak is top 5 rn
digital cloud
that isn't being nice, that is pure delusion
feral zodiac
Jjonak is top 8, maybe 10
willow drum
who'd u put over jjonak?
digital cloud
I need to pull up a list, I can't think of any names rn lol
but I know there are several
violet
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I'd put both Shock supports over Jjonak
stuck radish
who would win: s1 london (in playoffs) or current british hurricane
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flex*
feral zodiac
Viol2t, alarm, izayaki, shu, twilight, myungbong
earnest leaf
shu//viol2t/fielder/izayaki/mmonk/gangnamjin/twilight/alarm
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shu//viol2t/fielder/izayaki/mmonk/gangnamjin/twilight/alarm
Leejaegon isn't Flex
He's main
feral zodiac
Ljg?
earnest leaf
woops
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I don't see monk
earnest leaf
too many people to remember
digital cloud
mmonk?
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shu//viol2t/fielder/izayaki/mmonk/gangnamjin/twilight/alarm
ye agree with ur list
feral zodiac
Oh ye fielder
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ye like I don't see mmonk beating out jjonak
feral zodiac
How tf did I forget
feral zodiac
Aztac if he ACTUALLY GOT PLAYTIME
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but he's not better than jjonak
digital cloud
iris?
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yeah
digital cloud
I think he probably is
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for the atl reign?
digital cloud
jjonnak really isn't as good as he used to be
willow drum
No, but he's still great
feral zodiac
Lastro or jjonak
digital cloud
well yeah, he can kind of keep up
feral zodiac
Crimzo or jjonak
digital cloud
idk about crimzo
willow drum
I mean crimzo v jjonak is def in the air
digital cloud
I forgot lastro was flex
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i forgot lastro was a player
digital cloud
lastro > jjonnak definitely
feral zodiac
Not on defiant
earnest leaf
oh yea iris is another
digital cloud
I would say iris is
feral zodiac
Lastro been lackluster on defiant
willow drum
potential isn't rankings
eh maybe iris over jjonak
still, top 9
still barely in top 10
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bro imagine telling somebody in s1 that jjonak was like top 9 flex support
and NYXL was a worse than average team in s4
and London was 3rd worst team
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eh sure
digital cloud
not sure, crimzo might be > jjonnak
feral zodiac
I think they'll be decent next season tbh
digital cloud
kind of hard to say since the season isn't over yet for crimzo
I will say he still needs to prove himself for now
feral zodiac
KariV or jjonak
digital cloud
for now I think I have jjonnak slightly below top 10
willow drum
I think they'll be decent next season tbh
next season?
how many teams r gonna improve next season?
digital cloud
kariv used to be godly
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Who do you guys think top 5 anas are
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currently
digital cloud
idk
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I say Twilight is def 1
digital cloud
ana hasn't been that big as of late
feral zodiac
Who do you guys think top 5 anas are
Viol2t, twilight, izayaki uhhh
digital cloud
twilight is probably up there
feral zodiac
Whats alarms ana like
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crazy
willow drum
viol2t's ana isn't too good
feral zodiac
Shu?
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actually
feral zodiac
Shu's ana is goated
stuck radish
myungbong (idk how to spell it) has a great ana but on a bad team sadge
willow drum
Shu's ana is goated
not better than creative, jonak or izayaki I think
feral zodiac
Myungbong made his name on ana
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jonak's only great hero is arguably ana
feral zodiac
His zen is still great isn't it?
willow drum
Yeah but his ana's better
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mhm
stuck radish
his zen is good but not top 3
stuck radish
wasnt jjonak's zen top 1 at some point
feral zodiac
Ye
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in s2, viol2t joined OWL
stuck radish
now viol2t obliterates him lmao
feral zodiac
Then twilight and viol2t came in season 2
stuck radish
im pretty sure alarm is better too
digital cloud
he probably is the greatest zen of all time (factoring in influence)
willow drum
Alarm is goated
feral zodiac
The twilight vs viol2t zen matchup in goats was legendary
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he probably is the greatest zen of all time (factoring in influence)
true
digital cloud
violet would wup his ass though
feral zodiac
Izayaki zen is very good as well
willow drum
top 5 zens go like, viol2t, alarm, twilight, izayaki, jjonak.
feral zodiac
Rankings for best echo
feral zodiac
Top 5 echos
digital cloud
jjonnak not a top 5 zen rn
stuck radish
1.) viol2t
willow drum
No, Pelican 1st
stuck radish
he played echo 1 map
digital cloud
no not pelican, leave
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Ok leave
digital cloud
look at his stats
stuck radish
both
digital cloud
unless pelican fucks him if they ever play echo against each other it is probably leave
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- Leave, 2. Pelican, 3. Kevster, 4. Doha, 5. Nero
digital cloud
leave is crazy
feral zodiac
1. Leave, 2. Pelican, 3. Kevster, 4. Doha, 5. Nero
Where is rascal
digital cloud
rascal and danteh are good too
willow drum
Where is rascal
with the way rascal's playing rn?
stuck radish
nero's echo is honestly pretty meh but hes crazy with duplicate
digital cloud
he has great dupes
feral zodiac
Ok but rascal good
tawdry hamlet
Pickems adjustment time 
digital cloud
ans
feral zodiac
Ans ans ans ans ans
willow drum
Lmaooooo
stuck radish
Ans ans ans ans ans
^
digital cloud
unless he fell off
tawdry hamlet
Kevster is not a top 5 echo 
willow drum
Kevster is not a top 5 echo <:red:551293724143910912>
very debatable
he's pretty damn good
look at stats
stuck radish
the only thing ans could suffer from is a lack of positioning
digital cloud
happy pretty good
digital cloud
valorant has way different aim lol
so damn slow and reliant on crosshair placement
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- Ans, 2. Carpe, 3. Lip, 4. Happy, 5. Gawngboong
willow drum
Nah, Ans has been playing Overwatch for well over 3 months now
tawdry hamlet
He's been streaming
stuck radish
so damn slow and reliant on crosshair placement
i mean with how ans plays its pretty similar in ow
willow drum
He's been streaming <a:catplobbers:793280279565434900>
yeah
stuck radish
positioning is dramatically different but the aim style not really
digital cloud
not number two
tawdry hamlet
With diem gone carpe goes to number 2 on widow
feral zodiac
Really tho, top 5 widows imo is ans, happy, lip, carpe, gwangboon
willow drum
With diem gone carpe goes to number 2 on widow
yeah
Like there's no way carpe's not top 5 widow
stuck radish
imagine being carpe
feral zodiac
Gwangboon and carpe I'm unsure on
stuck radish
a godlike dps player
north relic
What about glister
stuck radish
on a team who cant win a tournament
willow drum
Hmmmmm
stuck radish
ever
digital cloud
decay is better, happy is better, gwangbong is better, ans is better
feral zodiac
Could replace gwangboon or carpe with someone like decay
willow drum
decay is better, happy is better, gwangbong is better, ans is better
wait how the fuck
did I forget
Decay
I'm so-
I forgot Justice's only player
feral zodiac
Is birdring in the debate at all
digital cloud
err, nobody else better comes to mind
tawdry hamlet
If you don't believe carpe is top 5 widow you didn't watch fusion vs Shanghai knockout match of may melee
digital cloud
so yeah I guess top 5
feral zodiac
Sadge
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no
willow drum
If you don't believe carpe is top 5 widow you didn't watch fusion vs Shanghai kn...
ye
digital cloud
I was thinking diya for some reason but no diya
feral zodiac
Linkzr number 1
digital cloud
shy or leave might be up there considering how insane leave is at everything
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Hmmmm
digital cloud
maybe fits or lip
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Kai's there as well
feral zodiac
Oh shit yeah kai
stuck radish
how good would viol2t be on widow
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fucking insane
digital cloud
kai too, there are several possibilities
stuck radish
like would he be better than linkzr
stuck radish
sadge
digital cloud
how was xzi on widow again?
stuck radish
imagine getting widow diffed by a flex support
digital cloud
we counting him?
raw ermine
pretty damn good
feral zodiac
Fucking muma would be better than linkzr
raw ermine
Fucking muma would be better than linkzr
mumamaker
stuck radish
Fucking muma would be better than linkzr
damn
digital cloud
yeah, I figured
feral zodiac
Is pine in debate if ans is in debate
stuck radish
what about the bridowmaker
feral zodiac
Since we are ignoring retirement gaps
digital cloud
anyway, I think there is possibly a world where carpe isn't top 5
but he is still good
I rate several people above him though at least
I don't have him number two lol
willow drum
not even counting the fact pine prob has washed positioning
and washed communications
north relic
Danny sabotaged though
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Danny sabotaged though
Yeah, but he hasn't played Overwatch at a high level for 2+ years
feral zodiac
Yes but then u can't say ans is no 1 if ur saying pine is probs washed as well
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Lip, however, has
digital cloud
ans wasn't gone that long
tawdry hamlet
Xzi was in s3 was a top 5 widow with ans diem carpe decay imo and then fits at the 6th but idk now that he's out of the league
stuck radish
Yes but then u can't say ans is no 1 if ur saying pine is probs washed as well
to be fair ans hasnt been away for nearly as long as pine
digital cloud
and he was literally the best widow at the time
willow drum
Yeah there's no way Ans isn't no. 1 Widowmaker
digital cloud
no one else was that close except maybe decay
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Man literally played Overwatch even after he retired
on an extremely high level
Like I'd catch him streaming OW at least 5 times a month
feral zodiac
Huh shifts glasses actually diem beat him in the widow 1vs1 therefore diem is rank 1
tawdry hamlet
It'll still take time for him to return to last season ans 
digital cloud
ok, head to head diem is probably the best in a one v one
stuck radish
Huh *shifts glasses* actually diem beat him in the widow 1vs1 therefore diem is ...
linkzr won the widow tournament
linkzr best widow in the world
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Huh *shifts glasses* actually diem beat him in the widow 1vs1 therefore diem is ...
but diem
is gone
digital cloud
but widow is about winning games
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Diem retired
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And Shock v Shanghai in S3 Finals.....
I mean doesn't take two eyes to figure out who won
feral zodiac
Ljg moment
feral zodiac
STAND1 SOOO BAD
stuck radish
ljg was foreshadowing fdgod joining shock
feral zodiac
WHY WAS HE EVER ON SHANGHAI
willow drum
ljg was foreshadowing fdgod joining shock
Ok, I don't get meming on FDgod
I think we're all exagerating what Fdgod is doing
tbh
feral zodiac
Top 5 lucios
stuck radish
he surely got better but i still havent recovered from that houston game and the atlanta game
viol2t was also throwing tho
tawdry hamlet
Stand1 needed to backup fearless to cover like 1 hero and wasn't good enough on that one hero to win finals 😭
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- Astro, 2. Moth, 3. Jecse, 4. FDgod, 5. Joobi
stuck radish
i'd put moth as no 1
feral zodiac
- Moth 2. Astro 3. LJG 4. Joobi 5. idk, fucking roolf or smth
tawdry hamlet
I would put moth as 3 after astro fdgod
willow drum
1. Moth 2. Astro 3. LJG 4. Joobi 5. idk, fucking roolf or smth
Okay, why is it with the LJG
support
stuck radish
roolf
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man is LITERALLY definition of hit or miss
digital cloud
moth igling alone makes him number one lucio
stuck radish
I would put moth as 3 after astro fdgod <:monkaS:464860287409848360>
you also put milk before the cereal
dont ask how i know
feral zodiac
man is LITERALLY definition of hit or miss
You have FDGod in the top 5 wdym hit or miss
raw ermine
I wouldn't put moth in the convo
digital cloud
you are wrong
feral zodiac
I wouldn't put moth in the convo
Hot takes
tawdry hamlet
Moth lucio isn't nearly as mechanical as the other top lucios even dogman said that it's not a hot take tbh
feral zodiac
Moth lucio isn't nearly as mechanical as the other top lucios even dogman said t...
Mechanical doesn't equal better
willow drum
You have FDGod in the top 5 wdym hit or miss
Nah man, FDgod is so mechanically gifted
digital cloud
and supported so well
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is arguably the most mechanically gifted lucio there is
feral zodiac
And yet he's not no 1
raw ermine
you are so wrong, you are not even not right
thank you for clarifying what you meant by "you are wrong"
willow drum
and we can see that he is able to support and boop incredibly well on multiple showings
willow drum
And yet he's not no 1
Yeah, but hes in the top 5
feral zodiac
Nah
tawdry hamlet
He plays a different role in lucio I'm aware I am just saying his mechanics aren't as good as the other top lucios moth that is
willow drum
FDgod is def better than LJG
stuck radish
moth is different from most lucios in the league because he plays more team dependent and is really fucking good at it
raw ermine
on sfs he did well, top 1, but on glads, the combo of them being shit and skewed on brig made him just not look good
stuck radish
you arent gonna see him in the kill feed a lot like astro or fdgod
feral zodiac
Tbh I don't have him in the top 5 because he's french, only reason
stuck radish
wow ok
next mesa
im pretty sure alarm is better too
not mechanically
honestly
mechanically jjonak is unmatched
willow drum
Tbh I don't have him in the top 5 because he's french, only reason
hey I mean
I have a british mercy 1t
feral zodiac
But ye FDGod would be top 5 but
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my win rate with her
feral zodiac
Roolf is so good
stuck radish
mechanically jjonak is unmatched
viol2t matches him
tawdry hamlet
Every time they have a mechanics challenge jjonak wins but in games he never wins 😭
raw ermine
wrong message
stuck radish
i understood that because i took french
raw ermine
Tbh I don't have him in the top 5 because he's french, only reason
tu deteste les personne francais? je ne parle beaucoup de francais...
feral zodiac
Je deteste le France
tawdry hamlet
he should become friends with linkzr
This would imply Dalton is not as good as Linkzr and that's just wrong smh my head
feral zodiac
J'aime l'anglais
digital cloud
honn honn baguette
digital cloud
fearless
digital cloud
no one else matters
feral zodiac
1 is fearless and if you disagree you're wrong
north relic
Yakpung
digital cloud
just fearless
stuck radish
jk but maybe
digital cloud
eh maybe smurf also matters
feral zodiac
how does it feel waking up and having to face the reality that you're british
I don't
😎
Ireland all the way
stuck radish
im going to get the force of all americans and force feed you 20 big macs
dont mess with me
digital cloud
'Murica
feral zodiac
No pls I don't want diabetes
digital cloud
fuck yeah
feral zodiac
Pls Mr Rich, not the investments, noooooo
willow drum
Fearless, Smurf, Gaga
stuck radish
Top 5 winstons go
i still consider smurf #1
feral zodiac
No
willow drum
Maybe Muze?
feral zodiac
You are objectively wrong
digital cloud
fearless is number one
feral zodiac
I think mag is top 5
digital cloud
no one else comes close
feral zodiac
Fearless diffed smurf every time he faced him this season
stuck radish
cant be objectively wrong if theres no stat for space created 😎
stuck radish
Fearless diffed smurf every time he faced him this season
no he didnt
willow drum
Fearless diffed smurf every time he faced him this season
DALLAS V SHOCK?
feral zodiac
Fearless diffed smurf every time
north relic
Fearless, Smurf, Gaga
Mag?
willow drum
Nah Fearless never juggled FD and Viol2t
stuck radish
except that one 3-0 smurf was at the same level of fearless sometimes diffing him
but yea in that 3-0 eh
feral zodiac
Ye cus fd and viol2t were busy being fucking dead
stuck radish
we all know the true battle is when both are on orisa
feral zodiac
24/7 death for support lines
feral zodiac
we all know the true battle is when both are on orisa
Yes
tawdry hamlet
Fearless diffed smurf every time he faced him this season
The Anubis Smurf juggle preventing the beat against Dallas was crazy
feral zodiac
The Anubis Smurf juggle preventing the beat against Dallas was crazy
Idk how he did that
Absolute nutcase
tawdry hamlet
It was a highlight fr
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ye
stuck radish
Idk how he did that
he used left click and shift
raw ermine
feral zodiac
How do you actually stay so close to them like that with jump though
raw ermine
lul valiant
tawdry hamlet
First time a main tank highlight that wasn't a shatter had me like God damnnnn
feral zodiac
Jump always sends you further than you knock them back
stuck radish
First time a main tank highlight that wasn't a shatter had me like God damnnnn
you mean you dont appreciate the fortify plays with orisa?
smh
feral zodiac
Unless you hold down s then you go less than how far they get knocked back
north relic
Jump always sends you further than you knock them back
You punch early so at the end of your swipe it hits but doesn’t knock back and the you can immediately swing again
feral zodiac
Architect architect architect architect architect
raw ermine
edison
molanran
SBB
architect
xepher
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more or less
top 5 dva
Lets establish void choi and hanbin all as top 3
dont mind order
feral zodiac
You punch early so at the end of your swipe it hits but doesn’t knock back and t...
Wait you can hit without knocking them back
north relic
Fury
digital cloud
piggy?
north relic
Wait you can hit without knocking them back
Very precise timing
stuck radish
fury beats hanbin imo
feral zodiac
Very precise timing
Know any guides?
north relic
Know any guides?
You know how melee attacks linger
It’s kinda like that
You swing before you jump
feral zodiac
So like with reins hammer
feral zodiac
What game?
north relic
Lemme find video
earnest leaf
I do not say this jokingly
Primal is the hardest mechanical ability in the game to master
and it's not even close
sullen berry
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Primal is the hardest mechanical ability in the game to master
are close ones but i agree
tawdry hamlet
So we traded Xzi Diem GodsB Striker, for an Ans Pine half a season return?
lowkey feels like we overpaid man
:(((
so many of my fav hitscans poofing out this season
anyone else have this sort of dread that at the end of season 4 overwatch league is just going to be dead?
like I can't really see a lot of the players having the motivation to come back for a season 5
willow tartan
Xzi def coming back once his health is better
GodsB def will still play pro since he left Hz bc he wasn't getting enough playtime
diem and striker are gone forever.
reduced to atoms
trail perch
GodsB isnt a loss after his s3 performence
tropic herald
anyone else have this sort of dread that at the end of season 4 overwatch league...
i think you are overreacting
next mesa
So we traded Xzi Diem GodsB Striker, for an Ans Pine half a season return?
Frrrr
I think there's gonna be people
Contenders players are always pretty motivated like
tropic herald
lets be real here only 2 of those are retires
next mesa
U will always have people
tropic herald
reasons why season 5 will be good
tawdry hamlet
but do you really see people like Jjonak Carpe and super sticking it out longer
tropic herald
reason 1: proper
next mesa
Why did striker leave man no reason
Aprita sign perhaps
And pineapple cmon
Diya superich cmon
Don't be pussy china
tropic herald
aprita isnt he super young
tropic herald
it doesnt have bday on liq
next mesa
I don't think he turns 18
Before S5 start
I think mid season
Or like a third
Not sure though
tropic herald
aprita and pineapple seem like obv pickups from how ive heard talk around them
dont really watch that much china tbh
tawdry hamlet
Mmonk and Aprita were my top two cn t2 players who were unsigned coming into season
then chengdu yoinked both
tropic herald
the only other name i hear thrown around is seawave but idk how good they are
tawdry hamlet
"Sorry Striker, sometimes sacrifices have to be made, You're fired"
next mesa
the only other name i hear thrown around is seawave but idk how good they are
He's like the only good player on UP Academy probably
Nice tracer
There's not much space for like
That many Chinese players though
Except if
Valiant actually wants to make a roster
Pineapple probably best hitscan
But
tawdry hamlet
also in case anyone is interested ans is streaming overwatch and is about to duo with super I think, but his sr might be too lowo lmaoo
https://www.twitch.tv/ansansniper
tropic herald
i wish other teams would pick up some of the talents from china
next mesa
Aprita is nutty tio
tawdry hamlet
if anyone ever replaced im37, that could be hugeeee
tropic herald
but idk if they want to do that bc there is some stigma for non china teams to get a china player
next mesa
Any reason why striker retired?
tropic herald
burnout most likely reason
tropic herald
or he didnt like the team environment
tawdry hamlet
I think it is a language and distance and visa issue as far as chinese players go, but nero worked ok on charge in the opposite scenario
so who knows
tropic herald
shock is not the same team this year
next mesa
Like what the fuck is going on
tropic herald
that should be obv enough
tawdry hamlet
I mean the chance of finding a chinese player, better than a Korean Player who can comm in either english or Korean for the same price is probably low
besides diya :(((
tropic herald
most high level chinese players can comm effectively in korean,
next mesa
No like didn't you say
tropic herald
its probably the out of game language barrier
next mesa
Taiyo has beef with glister or smt
tropic herald
i didnt say that, i c v ed a leak that i really doubted but thought i would share as a possibility
tawdry hamlet
its probably the out of game language barrier
yeah I imagine since I see a lot of apac players stream and their english is like 4th grade level but then they comm just fine on mixed teams
next mesa
Yeah like a rumor sort of
Idk I just thought
Crusty could keep the same environment going
Maybe like junkbunk and everyone else was more important
tropic herald
bro they lost like half their core and changed most of their coaches
its gonna be a little diff
tawdry hamlet
it is funny because all of shocks pickups in the off season were good players too like they are close to the same pickups I would have made if I was manager of a mid tier (dps) or top team (fdgod) team but then they dropped two coaches and expected them to perform at number one in the world level
like if I was looking at free agents, Nero and Glister both would have been on my list
next mesa
They lost like a third yeah but got really good backups it's just maybe ppl see too surface level
Personality matches doesn't matches
tropic herald
yes
all star teams are cool but they never pan out
bc skill isnt the only thing that goes into making a team
tawdry hamlet
on another topic can we appreciate how shanghai can ditch and acquire top tier talent like nothing, like they lost diem and erster this season and their dps line has barely taken a hit, like on paper losing diem and erster is a huge hit to any team but for shanghai its like who cares loll
tawdry hamlet
no I mean like can we appreciate how strong their core is
like lip and fleta are like sparkle doha in the way they can just do literally everything
tropic herald
i mean they also never really field anyone out of their core tbh
also
void is literally built diff
tawdry hamlet
which I think is the key to winning lmao, just get near top tier core, and only run that core lmao
what is paris last year only ran the korean roster plus benbest 
I wonder how they would have done without nico or soon in the mix
tropic herald
imo only a few heroes are worth not running their core
such as widow
where you just need pure mechanics over synergy
tawdry hamlet
this season to me just shows how under utilized or under coached sparkle was it felt like he was handcuffed to a genji doom only pole
and now he has a high tier tracer and echo and reaper
tropic herald
probably bc he has to play more than genji doom this season
last year he was pretty much the funny genji guy
tawdry hamlet
it would be interesting to see how certain players if they had to leave their comfort zone would perform
like striker having to play the ashe this season or sparkle on the tracer
like it is fun to see how players adapt
sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't, like imagine if toronto didn't have a tracer player and they had to emergency field heesu on tracer or something, it would just be interesting to see how he adapts
I would say imagine nico off of mei but we saw that in open division 
did not go well
tawdry hamlet
last year he was pretty much the funny genji guy
That's the double edged sword with this season, on one hand less games means smaller rosters and players like haksal or other "one" tricks (aware there aren't many true one tricks but like ones that were only used for one or two heroes) from last year don't have a spot, but in the other hand it forces players to play to their full potential since there's no backup to slot in for some heroes for them anymore
worldly flax
bruh what's gonna happen to glister now that ans came back
tawdry hamlet
Yeah I watched him like two weeks ago play widow and his soldier was way better than his rusty widow tbh
worldly flax
moth, it's not too late to come back, you know
tropic herald
his widow is not very crisp to say the least
next mesa
Hot as fuck
tropic herald
he looks very uncomfortable against echo
tawdry hamlet
Yeah it's a lil rusty for sure atm lmao
worldly flax
who?
tropic herald
ans
next mesa
he looks very uncomfortable against echo
Everything temporary
worldly flax
ohhh
next mesa
He's gonna make pelican echo his bitch in no time
worldly flax
I wonder what happened on valorant 
why did ans come back
worldly flax
bruh
next mesa
He was pretty bad
worldly flax
oh 
I was gonna say what are they smoking there to cut a human aimbot
that explains it
next mesa
He is but like honestly aim in valorant is still like maybe 30% of it
tropic herald
raw aim is less necessary in a game like val
next mesa
He didn't have a crusty
tropic herald
if you dont know how to play valorant aim wont save you
worldly flax
something about the rumors that ans is all aim no brain
tropic herald
this is gonna be a plot twist to some of you guys but ow is very aim intensive, especially hitscan heroes
next mesa
Yea he can't really compete with those ppl with 15 years of CSGO exp
worldly flax
what do you mean?!?!?
next mesa
Ow is probably hardest to aim
worldly flax
hitscan is point and click adventure?
15 years wtf
did those dudes start playing when they were 5?
tawdry hamlet
He was pretty bad, his aim style didn't transfer over like the season 2 players that left, players like Corey and Babybay etc. That all played shit like counter strike before and also on much lower sensitivities loll
Idk if you know this
But cs came out in 2001
Or like 2003 idek
Somewhere in there lmaoo
tropic herald
2000
tawdry hamlet
Most cs pros are like 25-30
worldly flax
damn
tawdry hamlet
The top ones at least
next mesa
Yeah isn't shahzam like 32 lol
tawdry hamlet
Overwatch as an esport is so weird because it's so new
worldly flax
ohh shit
tawdry hamlet
No previous releases in the franchise, only 4 years old etc. Where like dota and cs have been out for ages
worldly flax
I just had this weird scenario in my head that striker didn't approve of ans joining back so he left
tropic herald
Only older than like Fortnite
worldly flax
and striker was like "it's ans or me"
I know lol, just a weird thought on my part
unless... jkjk
tawdry hamlet
Nah striker would probably enjoy being a tracer role player again it's probably way less stressful having rascal and ans cover every other hitscan while you just be tracer dude
tropic herald
Man can it be Friday alread
tropic herald
I want to see if Dpei is bluffing or not
tawdry hamlet
Man can it be Friday alread
Yeah I know can he retire he's ass
Friday is a bottom main support no cap
next mesa
What did dpei say?
tropic herald
Yea I’m confused how he’s in the league, should’ve let him stay in tendies a little longer
next mesa
They're gonna sweep shock? Lol
tropic herald
What did dpei say?
Said Glads were be on the up trend rest of the season
tawdry hamlet
He pops valk so early every fight. You see it a lot especially with the charge matches where mistakes are more noticable because charge doesn't capitalize as well so they happen slower
tropic herald
Honestly this could be the perfect storm for glads
tawdry hamlet
If Kariv could not die and Rio could play anything other than orisa charge would be goated 😭
tropic herald
Maybe they finally break through
tawdry hamlet
Everyone looks at mykayleee as the main issue when kariv gets picked every fight and Rio is an orisa one trick in a non orisa meta. I assume they took a chance on Kaylee because he was on the flag team that managed to somehow beat team cc that one time but fuckk I wish they chose Diya
Wait no wrong guy
Kaylee was on the third place team
😭
Wildn
next mesa
Seawage was on flag gaming
Seawave
So was 800
Mmonk
Very good players
Showcheng too
Too bad he sold his soul
tawdry hamlet
Yeah I was thinking mmonk and showcheng
Since I remember it was full of owl players
So got them mixed up
tropic herald
Topdragon 
next mesa
Oh yeah that guy lol don't remember him
Kaylee's mechanics is pretty good
But he's like a rough ans and no crusty to polish him up
No brain
Well comparing him to ans is a stretch but u know what I mean
tawdry hamlet
his mechanics are good, but I think the way shy popped off when he had a strong (strongish) veteran core to support him is what kaylee could have been with a proper coach or proper core.
trail perch
Friday is p good idk what yall mean
tawdry hamlet
since realistically when you have rio mandu kariv vs having guxue and any combo of those 4 supports and your coach isn't fired you would probably be a lot better off
also I doubt charge has many scrim partners to teach them
tragic really
Charge replaced good players with rookies and no coach and kept the players that were only good in double shield
then expected it to work 😦
worldly flax
ohhh lol
tawdry hamlet
super makes jokes on stream like he has a huge ego for the meme
worldly flax
thanks
worldly flax
valiant is a social experiment 
tawdry hamlet
honestly though lmao
they just want to see what constantly changing which country their players are from will do to them lmao
they went from mixed led by australian, to american with 2 koreans a british dutch dps duo, to all chinese
Mr. Worldwide
well to be fair actually Florida went from entirely eu to American to full korean
trail perch
Hot take NYXL will go to the moon this cycle
trail perch
Every cycle they look better and better
Rookies take time to get good
they went 1-3, 2-2, now its time for 3-1 then 4-0
Like some s1 glads type shit
tropic herald
NY tankline is deadweight
tropic herald
tawdry hamlet
Yakpung Flora and Friday are holes in their lineup for me
trail perch
and Yakpung in contendies was nutty as hell
Flora?????????????????
FLORA????????????
FLORA??????????????????????????!?!?!?!?
tropic herald
How is Flora a hole for you
tropic herald
Tbh the only enjoyable part of NY is Flora
tawdry hamlet
I see a lot of shit about gwang and flora sucking here tbh but that was also in the midst of atlanta bending them over so it was biased 
tropic herald
First of all, don’t take any commentary on players here seriously
tropic herald
Some people here don’t watch the game with their monitor on
worldly flax
lol
trail perch
Some people here don’t watch the game with their monitor on
Hehem levy
tawdry hamlet
I really hate that in apac only like one team actually has a chance to beat shanghai in tourneys when shanghai is at their peak
am aware in reg season shanghai randomly takes Ls they should on paper destroy
who do you guys think has been the most forgettable team this season, like the most "wait that team existed?" team for you?
for me it has to be either Seoul or Toronto lmao
Seoul specifically for me has been so forgettable
tropic herald
I forgot about Toronto
tawdry hamlet
fair
tropic herald
And London
tawdry hamlet
I only didn't forget because I was high on philly stonks and then aspire kind of brought them back to the map a little bit, but they just kind of live
like they aren't the worst but are far from the top
I think if their support line would perform at its highest potential they could be pretty good, I mean they literally don't even use aztac who was a top prospect and lastro has been underperforming hard
tropic herald
Twitter
tawdry hamlet
tropic herald
worldly flax
lmao
tawdry hamlet
bro did he literally take a picture of his phone screen with another phone or some shit why tf is it so low res lmao
tawdry hamlet
worldly flax
tawdry hamlet
I refuse to believe Ta1yo will play a map for the shock ever again btw
I genuinely think he is never going to play another map
tawdry hamlet
he is ok, he just is never played, and not as good as his dps counterparts. I watch him stream occasionally
and he is alright for sure
just like, not insane or anything
I have mostly been keeping up with Apply, he is fun to watch for me
he was a Hitscan dps who was forced to play Valiants brig last year
tropic herald
I watch Peli and Danteh, both fun players, Peli is a little energetic
tawdry hamlet
I would watch Danteh stream but he is so reserved and quiet, I prefer the more animated entertainer like super or apply
I mean I know it is a meme Danteh has no energy thing but I watch more for the streamer than the gameplay since if I wanted that I would just play the game
and I find since apply is out of league and relatively small only like 300 views a stream it is a nice middle ground of entertainment and play
while still small enough to talk to people and not watch a moving chat wall
although on that note I cannot stand watching space or teru, teru egos so hard lmao and space is just annoying
also godsb streaming
tawdry hamlet
Reminder that a mid na overwatch roster was abandoned but they partnered with an insurance company for LCS
https://twitter.com/Immortals/status/1407752813795495943?s=20
Twitter
also they have 131k followers and managed 19 likes in 9 hours lmaoo
it seems nobody likes them
forest raven
earnest leaf
super said when he asked how expensive the cameras used there were, apparently they are over $100,000
fierce ferry
Lmao
tawdry hamlet
I mean it checks out
If Linus tech tips bought fairly standard top line 8k camera for 100k including memory cards and shit then I imagine top of the line Activision blizzard money cameras are hella expensive
balmy wolf
stop it if you dont want to get banned
foggy dew