esports-discussion

[willow tartan]

peak pine would still get clapped by ans

[earnest leaf]

it would of been better if shock announced this the day of their match

[true hound]

Roolf >>>

[noble nexus]

having ans and glister on the same roster should be illegal tbh

[mortal abyss]

He got moved to the academy roster and literally never played

[earnest leaf]

but announced it when they showed the rosters

[mortal cipher]

yeah but if it was prime pine vs ans it would be more close

[mental vine]

it would be close tho

[willow tartan]

dont think thats allowed

[feral zodiac]

No

[mental vine]

there is no best

[willow tartan]

since they need the league's approval

[noble nexus]

prime pine would get slapped around by ans

[fierce ferry]

Ye

[feral zodiac]

Prime pine was mega aggressive

[hot onyx]

Pine looked pretty schweet on stream

[mortal cipher]

i said slightly closer

[earnest leaf]

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1407779150857900032 poor halo lmao

Arran “Halo” Spake (@haloofthoughts)

@vaports Fuck knows

Twitter · Jun 23, 2021, 7:14 PM

[mortal abyss]

Teams don’t need to announce player signings on social media

[slow edge]

HOLY JEEZ Shock is starting to look like they have a chance again

[hot onyx]

Also Ans overrated af when Dalton exists

[mortal cipher]

not a lot close but a bit more

[mortal abyss]

They just need to unform the league

[mental vine]

but still its Ans vs Pine for West

[stuck radish]

imagine shock rolls up to the glads game with the roster of Smurf Choi Ans Striker Viol2t Moth (dont ask how moth would be here) and no prior announcements

[willow tartan]

Prime pine is no match for some of the current hitscans, because the inevitable fact is that players from S1 were far worse than players now

[mortal cipher]

bruv

[fierce ferry]

Yeah the league as a whole evolved

[willow tartan]

as a game matures

the skill ceiling is raised

thats why shock are not as dominant now

they didnt get worse

[noble nexus]

s1 teams and players were just worse than current teams and players

it's a fact

[willow tartan]

everyone else got better

[mortal cipher]

because it was just starting

[willow tartan]

yea

[chilly jolt]

wtf just happened

[noble nexus]

pine has levelled up tho

definitely

[mortal cipher]

i mean shd s1

[willow tartan]

fearless

[mortal cipher]

[stuck radish]

s1 london vs s3 shock

who wins

[chilly jolt]

i open twitter and i just got hit with an entire rollercoaster of news

[mental vine]

back then it was diem that reigned supreme

[mortal abyss]

I hope we get another ans vs carpe…

[mortal cipher]

shock

[noble nexus]

s3 shock easily

[fierce ferry]

Fearless got way better

[balmy wolf]

who was on s1 london

[willow tartan]

diem

[feral zodiac]

S3 shock don't even drop a point on a map

[fierce ferry]

Gesture profit and others

[mortal abyss]

Those were amazing duels

[earnest leaf]

S3 shock imo was their strongest form

[mental vine]

lol remember the time that ans choked against diem

[stuck radish]

except on 2cp

because its 2cp

[mortal abyss]

What?

[feral zodiac]

True

[earnest leaf]

I don't think any team will come to the strength of that specific roster

[feral zodiac]

Points on maps

[mortal cipher]

wasnt that stage III finals

[feral zodiac]

Overwatch

[mental vine]

its all stars finals

[mortal abyss]

Bro they literally lost 6 maps in total

[mortal cipher]

ah

[feral zodiac]

Not maps

Points on maps

[mental vine]

but yea ans and glister are notorious and ILLEGAL when put together

[mortal abyss]

…yes and when you lose maps you lose points on those maps

[feral zodiac]

Are you ok

[mortal abyss]

No

[feral zodiac]

I said for s1 London vs s3 shock

[willow tartan]

double hitscan meta scawy

[worn falcon]

Shock better bring back dhak and iddqd

[feral zodiac]

Shock don't drop a single point on any map

As in

First point, second point, third point

[mortal abyss]

Oh shit I see

My bad

[willow tartan]

glister on widow, ans on ashe

[fierce ferry]

Omg

[willow tartan]

dubs all around

[mortal cipher]

ah

[mental vine]

imagine if they put ans and glister in starting XI right now

[fierce ferry]

Uhmmm

[mortal abyss]

I thought you were talking about their gf run

[worn falcon]

Glister on Mei

[woeful basin]

That’s terrifying

[mortal cipher]

fr

[fierce ferry]

Glister tracer and ans Ashe

[feral zodiac]

Nh that was just chef crusty roasting the league

[mental vine]

can OWL bring in hitscan meta xD

[stuck radish]

dude

[willow tartan]

yes please

[stuck radish]

poor glads

[woeful basin]

Shock are playing with our feelings with ans and striker today

[willow tartan]

i want to see develop play

[worn falcon]

Hope Nero benched

[hot onyx]

Glister torb and Ans sym

[fierce ferry]

Yes

[willow tartan]

develop lip

[mental vine]

if OWL bring in hitscan meta it will make everyone watch OWL

[worn falcon]

Always feels he is like B tier

[feral zodiac]

Imagine birdring diffs ans now

[worn falcon]

Close to A

[willow tartan]

lolol

[woeful basin]

Taiyo tho 😦

[hot onyx]

Don’t need to imagine since it’ll happen in 2 days

[earnest leaf]

If ans plays though

Since I doubt he's been scrimming a lot

[willow tartan]

no way he plays against glads, he was just transferred right?

[mental vine]

the ange de la mort widowmaker skin convinced ans to come back to OWL im calling it

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/ansansniper__/status/1397858256198897665?s=21

ANS (@ansansniper__)

6k
https://t.co/AxKDnt4PL1

Likes

750

Twitter · May 27, 2021, 10:12 AM

[earnest leaf]

Who fucking knows at this point

[willow tartan]

is he even at the shock training facility

[earnest leaf]

He's in LA atm

So he probably can just waddle in

[woeful basin]

First it was where is pine if he’s not there prepare for where is ans

[willow tartan]

• he hasnt played overwatch in a year

[green dust]

I wonder if we will see Ans this game this week, he's still in LA after all

[mental vine]

oh he WILL come

[worn falcon]

Valorant is teh superior game tho

[mental vine]

if he is in LA

[earnest leaf]

Hasn't played owl in a bit

[feral zodiac]

https://tenor.com/view/gachi-gachi-hyper-gif-15959866

[willow tartan]

he's been grinding on valorant

[earnest leaf]

still seen him play ow on stream

[willow tartan]

soldier ans omegalul

[hot onyx]

I mean

[mental vine]

imagine ans playing sojourn

[hot onyx]

Sugarfree was grinding Valorant

[tropic herald]

Valorant is less fun but also devs care about it

[willow tartan]

^

[hot onyx]

And look how good he played on Funi

[feral zodiac]

True

[willow tartan]

i mean to be fair

[mental vine]

ans playing sojourn is CRIMINAL

[fierce ferry]

Lmao

[hot onyx]

With minimal practice

[willow tartan]

valorant is better than overwatch at getting good aim since its way more aim focused

[mental vine]

ans with railgun go BRRR

[worn falcon]

Why they would care when all the resources are in ow2

[stuck radish]

imagine ans in 5v5

[woeful basin]

Imagine pine vs ans in a Dallas and shock rematch

[worn falcon]

Also valorant have 1 year

[fierce ferry]

Ans would legit just kill everyone all the time

[mental vine]

ans need a widow cosplay

[willow tartan]

Choi, ANS, Glister, Viol2t, FDGod.

[devout path]

Holy fuck

[mental vine]

no

[devout path]

I’m scared

[mental vine]

Choi, Ans, Glister, Viol2t, and Twilight

[fierce ferry]

I’m too

[willow tartan]

???

[worn falcon]

Ans gonna be sniped by scatter Winston

[devout path]

Ans is going to dominate again

[willow tartan]

Fearless is gonna sniper diff ANS

[woeful basin]

Fearless plays over pine for dps

[willow tartan]

true

[fierce ferry]

No hes gonna play sniper winston himself

[willow tartan]

fearless learn echo so he can carry on winston every ult

5head

[feral zodiac]

I'm ready for linkzr to show ans who's boss 💪

[devout path]

Kekw

[willow tartan]

it would be funny if he gets his ass handed to him by birdring if he does play just straight off the bat with little preperation

[hot onyx]

Imagine Ans comes in and takes so long to integrate back to the team that he gets diffed by IM37

[willow tartan]

but no striker tracer

maybe kevster plays

[devout path]

No way ans is hard to integrate

[willow tartan]

deleteo magnus

[woeful basin]

Ans might be hard to integrate with the new people

[devout path]

2

[willow tartan]

from what we've seen so far theres no reason to believe we're gonna go into a very hitscan heavy meta for the summer showdown

[mortal cipher]

who would play tracer

[noble nexus]

just fd and nero

[willow tartan]

so now without striker

glads can actually win lol

[hot onyx]

3

[fierce ferry]

0

[hot onyx]

FD Nero and Glister

[supple prism]

Wait, the fuck is going on with Shock? Striker left and they picked up Ans?

[willow tartan]

yep

[hot onyx]

Forgot Glister fellas and woman

[fierce ferry]

Yes

[devout path]

Glister and ans will never play

[mortal cipher]

striker was the major reason they won last year

[willow tartan]

yeah

unironically glads might win opening week

[mortal cipher]

they may

[woeful basin]

Shock are going on an emotional roller coaster this season

[willow tartan]

no hitscan meta, no striker tracer

[fierce ferry]

Ans was pretty good but not as much of a hard carry

[mortal cipher]

shock is fine but theyre nei longer the dominant force anymore

[willow tartan]

birdring kevster diff

thats if the EU legends are true

[hot onyx]

Space diff

[mortal cipher]

without striker its doing to be more difficult they were already struggling already

[woeful basin]

Birdring kevster vs ans and glister/Nero holy

[willow tartan]

you know what fuck it im changing my pickems

glads will win

ill gamble

[mortal cipher]

oop

[mortal abyss]

Tbh last year Ans had mountains worth of space to work with because of Striker on tracer and he also had moth to protect him (similar to the moth/ Viol2t and now fdgod Viol2t dynamic) and now he has fdgod so I don’t think he will be as dominant as last season

[willow tartan]

no tracer abuse no win

[hot onyx]

Bandwagon

[devout path]

Owl YouTube popping off rn

[supple prism]

Who are glads playing?

[willow tartan]

glads vs shock

[mortal cipher]

its hard to go against shock but after striker uhh

[willow tartan]

not a hitscan heavy meta, lost striker

been underperforming for a while

glads have been on the up trajectory

kevster is no longer on ping now

[mortal cipher]

yeah theyve looked good

[hot onyx]

Tell that to Houston Dallas and Atlanta

[woeful basin]

Whatever happens it should be a good game

[mortal cipher]

i meant before Houston beat them

[willow tartan]

ANS is an unknown factor

he could come in and just slap but also fail

no idea

[mortal cipher]

and even after but now its not as hard to got against the shock

[willow tartan]

dpei must be giga brainstorming rn

[worn falcon]

inb4 ans panics and retires

[willow tartan]

lolol

[mortal cipher]

2 champion denys

[hot onyx]

So it was hard to go against the Shock before week 1 of the May Melee?

[mortal cipher]

oof

[feral zodiac]

Dpei probs going to play moth on flex supp and muze on widow or some other big brain shit

[devout path]

Very hard

Cuz they weren’t playing

[mortal cipher]

before they got denyed i mean a two time champs

[willow tartan]

glads 3-2 shock final pred

locking it in unless smurf decides to retire

[feral zodiac]

Ans doesn't play, pred

[hot onyx]

Good prediction my bandwagoning patriot

[mortal cipher]

i put 3-1 shock

[woeful basin]

Glads decide to follow shocks trend and space retires

[worn falcon]

[willow tartan]

i mean its just realistic... there's no striker

[supple prism]

Honestly, that's not bad. Could even go 3-1 glads.

[mortal cipher]

awkward

[willow tartan]

yeah could be 3-1 glads

[feral zodiac]

Space = weak link after dpei

[willow tartan]

i seriously considered that

but also...

[mortal cipher]

yeah it could

[willow tartan]

i kinda want the game to be 3-2

[mortal cipher]

they just got 3-niled by reign so the next team is uhh

[hot onyx]

Spitfire

[willow tartan]

trie

[mortal cipher]

usually when they lose the next time gets rekt

[willow tartan]

i mean r u sure tho

[mortal cipher]

ez win for paris

[woeful basin]

Remember last time what happened to Florida and Dallas

[willow tartan]

i pred spitfire wins

[mortal cipher]

this was before striker retired

[stuck radish]

i hope shock prepares for every team this time

[willow tartan]

yea

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[willow tartan]

thats what im sayin

[supple prism]

Is Striker retiring or looking for a new team?

[willow tartan]

retired

[stuck radish]

no more thinking x team will be a roll and you end up getting 3-0ed

[willow tartan]

effective immediately

[worn falcon]

https://twitter.com/Reinforce/status/1407777870705872897

Grand Marshal Reinforce (@Reinforce)

Overused and shitty pastas/memes I demand be retired in the 2nd half of the season on OWL Twitter:

• Reaper guy is my favorite
• Skilled player but not normally
• Return of the King (think I've seen this 5-6 times in 2 months)

Likes

228

Twitter · Jun 23, 2021, 7:09 PM

[lost jacinth]

big https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pgz4abm-2hc

[mortal cipher]

bruv

[weak bolt]

Wtf is today

[worn falcon]

https://twitter.com/overwatchleague/status/1407779172613771273

Overwatch League (@overwatchleague)

@Reinforce But our favorite character IS the reaper guy. he is very powerfull. special move. honestly is one of the best in the game and-

Twitter · Jun 23, 2021, 7:14 PM

[mortal cipher]

a rollercoaster

[stuck radish]

winnable

[weak bolt]

That is huge

[woeful basin]

Shock bringing us to emotional six flags without super again

[supple prism]

I thought Ans went to Valorant

[worn falcon]

chad move, Shock signs SBB for tracer

sells Glister

[woeful basin]

In the words of bill wurtz “but he came back”

[worn falcon]

to...uh, atlanta?

[mortal cipher]

isnt super leaving after this year

[novel nebula]

i wonder who'll get the starting postition glister or ans

[feral zodiac]

Chad move, crusty leaves for vancouver

[supple prism]

Glister

[stuck radish]

crusty leaves for vancouver and vancouver 3-0s dallas

[mortal cipher]

vancouver becomes good again

[willow tartan]

^

[earnest leaf]

https://twitter.com/Apply/status/1407784644393668613

Apply (@Apply)

man keep that boy ans outta NA ranked i dont wanna play against that again that was not fun

Twitter · Jun 23, 2021, 7:36 PM

[supple prism]

Ans cant possibly be starting this early

[worn falcon]

not with that management of shitty org

[willow tartan]

I mean he can but he wontn be good

[mortal cipher]

true

[woeful basin]

It’s funny how the 2 worst na teams now used to be amazing

[mortal cipher]

london and vancouver sad

[novel nebula]

ikr season 1 champions and season 2 runner up

[supple prism]

I personally don't think Titans management was ever good. They just bought a great team then told them to have at it but once shit got worse they did nothing to help.

[mortal cipher]

even boston is better

[willow tartan]

man

[feral zodiac]

Vancouver had it all

[willow tartan]

imagine if the vancouver roster was still here

[feral zodiac]

Alexa, queue viva la vida

[weak bolt]

yeah Titans management wasn't good, they jsut paid large to buy Runaway and then with enough time it screwed up

[mortal cipher]

tbf twilight went to shock then it all fell apart

[worn falcon]

vancouver issue is their management and shitty org

[mortal abyss]

Twilight went to shock after the implosion

[willow tartan]

we'd have 5 crazy stacked teams in the league if they was still here

[mortal cipher]

oh after ok

[woeful basin]

And some others went to washington

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[mortal abyss]

Bumper disappeared

[supple prism]

Even if Titans kept all of their players they would still drop to average after the meta changed

[mortal cipher]

also Balse of London used to be on Boston

[mortal abyss]

Slime went to seoul and is now on mayhem

[mortal cipher]

Blase*

[mortal abyss]

Well he didn’t disappear he just doesn’t play competitively anymore

[woeful basin]

If Titans never collapsed shock might have never lost moth or signed or someone else

[willow tartan]

not surprised if bumper is on the run and at large for federal crimes

[stuck radish]

who would be the best possible replacement for striker in the league

[willow tartan]

in the league?

like a trade?

or you mean players not in teams

[mortal cipher]

wot

[feral zodiac]

Decay

[weak bolt]

In the league? Probably someone like Lip or Decay

[stuck radish]

does decay have a good tracer though

[mortal cipher]

yeah

[mortal abyss]

Yes

[stuck radish]

i dont watch justice

[willow tartan]

lip is nutty

[feral zodiac]

Yes

[novel nebula]

ya

[feral zodiac]

Decay has the best stats wise

[novel nebula]

decay best tracer imo

[mortal cipher]

lip had never played tracer prior

[mortal abyss]

Decay fucked last year ok tracer in a torb heavy meta

[weak bolt]

Striker had kind of a weird hero pool, but I think Lip is closest match

[woeful basin]

Maybe profit but he’s in another region

[mortal abyss]

*on

[novel nebula]

striker usually plays non sniper hitscans like mcree and tracer but ye lip or decay

[willow tartan]

LIP > Striker from what we've seen

[weak bolt]

Striker also plays Widow and Hanzo to a high high level

[mortal abyss]

Yeah but he also played like hanzo junkrat

[willow tartan]

though they never matched up bc shock got swept in both knockout stages

[feral zodiac]

On anything but tracer

[mortal cipher]

yep

[woeful basin]

Why does this league have so many top tier dps players ffs

[willow tartan]

i mean lip tracer has been pretty good

maybe not striker level but we'll never know

[mortal abyss]

Agreed it’s been insane but striker is in a tier of its own

[feral zodiac]

Because it's easier for dps to shine in owl

[willow tartan]

gonna ignore that whole period of time where DPS literally werent played?

[feral zodiac]

Only position lacking good quality is coaching

[feral zodiac]

Zarya ez clap

[mortal cipher]

oop

[willow tartan]

haksal brig

[mortal cipher]

ye

[woeful basin]

I didn’t watch owl or play overwatch at that time and the more I hear about the more interested I get

[mortal abyss]

You should go back and watch titans v shock goats

Great games

[mortal cipher]

amazing timew

[dark hedge]

????

ans is back?

[mortal cipher]

yep

[woeful basin]

He

Ye

[dark hedge]

ok then whats the point of glister now

[mortal cipher]

umm

[woeful basin]

No clue

[earnest leaf]

double hitscan

tracer

[woeful basin]

True maybe he plays tracer now that striker is gone

[mortal cipher]

ig

[dark hedge]

glister tracer

[novel nebula]

maybe ta1yo could play tracer cuzz glister's tracer wasn't the best

[earnest leaf]

Why is this a question

[mortal cipher]

[earnest leaf]

Glister will be the tracer player

maybe nero on some maps

[woeful basin]

Taiyo never plays

[earnest leaf]

But glister most likely will be running tracer for them

[dark hedge]

has glister played tracer recently

[novel nebula]

bro i remeber when glister ran tracer and danteh shit on him and said "put striker in" but ye glister will prob play tracer ig

[earnest leaf]

was one map

when all of shock was tragic

[dark hedge]

glister got shat on as tracer

[earnest leaf]

and people rate his tracer purely off that map

[willow drum]

Nah Glister takes over Strikers roles

[novel nebula]

yah maybe glister will play more mcree and stuff while ans takes over the snipers again

[earnest leaf]

ans hero pool is ashe/widow

[dark hedge]

doesnt he play cree

[earnest leaf]

and cree

[novel nebula]

ashe and widow is hwat ans plays most of time

[willow tartan]

striker cree > ans cree

[novel nebula]

also sombra sometimes i remeber

[tired zodiac]

ok so the league hasnt approved ans yet??

[mortal cipher]

not sure

[tired zodiac]

their post said (pending league aproval)

[mortal cipher]

besides the owl channel posting the " welcome back ANs "

[earnest leaf]

jspecs just has to be like "yea go ahead"

[worn falcon]

sbb

[woeful basin]

Every post says pending league approval

[earnest leaf]

Basically just contract legal stuff

[tired zodiac]

ah gotchu

[novel nebula]

ye which prob means it's approved

[mortal cipher]

most likely

[tired zodiac]

hopefullyyyy

[feral zodiac]

Sucks big balls

[worn falcon]

ur mom

[novel nebula]

[turbid cargo]

Wait, Shock resigned Ans!

[mortal cipher]

yep

[tired zodiac]

and strikers out

[willow drum]

Did Striker retire

[tired zodiac]

yea

[willow drum]

Ah he's no longer in the league

oof no 1 tracer

no longer owl

[tired zodiac]

sadge

[little tusk]

wait whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat

Ans is back???

realized valorant isnt for him huh xd

wtf striker is done

[mortal cipher]

yep to both

[willow drum]

yeah

Striker to T1

?

[mortal cipher]

lel

who knows

wotever reason

[tight vault]

Is there a way i can see hero pick rates for the league

[willow tartan]

statslab

the most played hero by far is dva

[mortal cipher]

not shocked

[willow drum]

ngl i think shock potentially get 3 peat

[noble nexus]

they have the potential probably

not likely tho

[willow drum]

like as long as they organize a bit I think they could win

[noble nexus]

because they can't even win maps in knockouts rn

[willow tartan]

Yeah, you need a top tier tracer to get a championship

but to be fair we havent seen glister play

he might be cracked

[willow drum]

Glister tracer is good

[bronze turtle]

ohh damn i didnt realize striker left

[willow drum]

arguably dantrh level

[raw ermine]

https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/DPI
https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/BO0G3RSN0T
https://liquipedia.net/overwatch/ANS

the trifecta of double retired players

that have returned

[bronze turtle]

isnt ansansnipe a hitscan, wouldnt that make glister be benched for good then?

[raw ermine]

he is

and one of the most cracked out there

however

he isn't particularly known for his tracking

so if glister can play tracer/ maybe sombra well

he'll get the nod over ANS

[mortal abyss]

Glister tracer was horrible at the beginning of the season but that may just be because he wa splaying with Viol2t cree

[raw ermine]

also, double HS meta will be glister ANS

so cracked

[mortal abyss]

Ans’s sombra is pretty good

[raw ermine]

yeah

crusty trained him a lot during s3 playoffs

[bronze turtle]

Idk i just feel a bit bad for glister, i liked seeing him play and now he might play less cause there is another hitscan

but i might be wrong

[willow tartan]

glister tracer last year tho

[gusty rampart]

ANS IS BACK

[raw ermine]

yeppers

[idle gorge]

Nooo strikerrrr

[idle gorge]

I’m more sad about striker leaving than ans being back

[mortal cipher]

striker was more prominent than ans

[willow drum]

he might take over strikers duties

[willow drum]

arguably

[mortal cipher]

true

[bronze turtle]

I expected like some of shocks team to retire after the seaon

but not during it

[willow tartan]

T1: Welcome Striker!

[kind ridge]

ans has the same bday as me wtf

[raw ermine]

poko does for me

[turbid cargo]

Has pine gotten his visa yet?

Will we/should we? see him in the summer showdown?

[willow tartan]

uhh

i dont think so?

[raw ermine]

I think SS could feature pine

[raw ermine]

:(

[plush grail]

?????

What the fuck shock

Tbh

Nero ans

Kinda top tier dps line again

[mortal abyss]

True

[tired zodiac]

so now that strikers gone

who is no1 tracer?

[plush grail]

Sbb

Nah prolly like

Yaki

Or sparkle

Idk tbh

[next mesa]

Striker dude

[tired zodiac]

damn rlly

[next mesa]

why must u be this way

[loud vessel]

ANS IS BACK

[next mesa]

bro how is sparkle and sbb in the convo

probably yaki now

[willow tartan]

???

sparkle tracer lol

[loud vessel]

Glister & Taiyo def not getting play time now

[tired zodiac]

we want more of glister

[willow tartan]

weve not seen too much fleta on tracer because he's been in echo jail

maybe with the echo nerfs he can play

[loud vessel]

U not getting any cuz Ans is back

[next mesa]

fleta's mechanics on tracer isnt on that crack level

profit is sometimes but def yaki imo

[willow tartan]

he still has that hard carry

yeah yaki is like

tracer gamer

[tired zodiac]

is sparkle best dps ???

[willow tartan]

lip is best dps

dont @ me

[next mesa]

perhaps

[tired zodiac]

id root for fleta

[next mesa]

yeah lip might even have a better tracer than fleta lol @willow tartan

[willow tartan]

now?

well maybe

but if hitscan comes back lip will be in ashe prison

[next mesa]

like i havent seen much of lip's tracer but from what we've seen his tracer got that crack scent on it bb

[willow tartan]

unless develop plays

but no way they sub out fleta for lip on the tracer right?

[next mesa]

develop can

they could go fleta lip or develop lip

[willow tartan]

lip's tracer has been nasty

fleta has just been doing echo things

[earnest leaf]

saying lip is best dps

when ans is back

[willow tartan]

yes

[earnest leaf]

smh

[tired zodiac]

pelicans echo is scary

[willow tartan]

nah

LIP > ans

[next mesa]

doubt

not on hitscan

on ashe maybe

[earnest leaf]

widow/ashe/cree ans is better

other heroes no

[willow tartan]

ANS was their sombra player right?

[next mesa]

honestly u would want lip on ashe bro on ur team if u have lip and ashe is meta sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeesh

[earnest leaf]

ans played like 5 maps of sombra total

[next mesa]

everyone was their sombra player

[willow tartan]

lol

[next mesa]

striker played

rascal played

[willow tartan]

yeah who the fuck plays sombra on shock

[tired zodiac]

can someone explain how fielder gets his coal so fast

[next mesa]

Shock got ans back

but at what fucking cost bro

[willow tartan]

because moira was broken

[next mesa]

u lose a goat u get a goat

FUCK

FUCK MAN

[willow tartan]

six figure contract

[next mesa]

🥲 STRIKER WHY

STRIKER

[willow tartan]

they bought out T1

like unironically

a prospect they have been working on for 8 months

he never played game yet

[next mesa]

Prospect

he never played a fucking game

T1 didnt deserve him bro

[willow tartan]

valo very very different to overwatch

[next mesa]

sayaplayer looking like shit on main roster but u keep ans

ok

[willow tartan]

they were like retraining him

[willow drum]

Iirc

Striker has made the most profit in the OWL

2nd place being Choi

[tired zodiac]

guys dw striker gonna come back next time

[willow drum]

Doubt it

[willow tartan]

contracts r private

[tired zodiac]

just a hunch tbh

[willow drum]

yeah but think abt it

[fast tusk]

ANS IS RETURNING ???

[willow drum]

The most profitable player

has to be on the Shock

cause they're the 2 time champions

[willow tartan]

nah i think carpe

has made the most money

[tired zodiac]

abt to be 3 🙏

[willow drum]

Out of the Shock, Choi and Striker are the ones that have won Grand Finals MVP

Meaning they should be the 2 most paid players

and then we have to remember Striker S1

So that would theoretically make striker ahead

[willow drum]

yeah but fusion never won anything

[willow tartan]

but i bet he has a fat cheque

[mortal abyss]

Striker won the 100k from gf mvp, 2nd place stage 3 season 1, quart finalists in playoffs season one, and every single shock title from s2-3

[next mesa]

okay guys here me out

[willow drum]

Yeah there's no way Striker isn't #1 paid pro

[next mesa]

hear*

[mortal abyss]

Tru but we aren’t privy to those so we have to factor them out

[next mesa]

u know how crusty has an allergy to glister

[willow drum]

Also Carpe is 5'5

[next mesa]

how about we trade sbb for glister

[mortal abyss]

Sure

[willow drum]

just so you know

[next mesa]

👏

👏 perfect

[mortal abyss]

Wow

[willow tartan]

sbb more llike washed

[tired zodiac]

no

dont

[next mesa]

sbb and 2 first round picks

[willow drum]

I honestly still think that Striker is most paid pro

and Choi is 2nd

[tired zodiac]

glister needs to be picked more

[willow drum]

He will, it's just he wasn't picked a lot in June Joust cause meta

idk why he wasn't in May Melee more often

but with striker retired

(sadge)

he gets his spot in the lime light dw

[tired zodiac]

prob cause they were prepping him or smthn

[willow drum]

Shock needs a tracer player

[tired zodiac]

yeayea

[willow drum]

a flex extraodinaire

Glister can do it

mans literally my phone screen

[tired zodiac]

DAMN

respect

[earnest leaf]

https://twitter.com/Zomsidey/status/1407792662833475585

ANS IS BACK :D (@Zomsidey)

https://t.co/VtF4UlQD2U

Twitter · Jun 23, 2021, 8:08 PM

[willow drum]

||Super: 548K, Choi: 545K, Smurf: 544K, Ta1yo: 283K, Nero: 32K, Glister: 22K, Ans: 293K, Viol2t 544K, Twilight: 446K, FDgod: 33K. Striker, 660K ||

For Shock Players Aprox Earnings ^

[willow tartan]

from where

[tropic herald]

Is this before or after tax

[willow tartan]

wherever its inaccurate

[tropic herald]

Bc Cali tax is

[willow tartan]

because league minimum is 50k

[tropic herald]

[tired zodiac]

justice for glister

[willow drum]

It's from Liquiepeadia

[willow drum]

prob after tax? idk

[willow tartan]

thats from prize winning

not contracts

[willow drum]

Yeah ^

[tropic herald]

Another reason why playing for Dallas or Houston is supreme

[willow drum]

That makes more sense

[tropic herald]

The contract you get is what you get paid

[willow drum]

Yes, but when you get like 500k+ just from prize winnings

that's kind of insane

[willow tartan]

they been in the league since day 1

[willow drum]

Not to mention your total contracts

People like striker are def millionaires

like maybe they don't have millions rn but they've def made millions

[tropic herald]

That’s what you get for being insane at a video game 3 years in a row

[willow drum]

mhm

a hella ton of money

[willow tartan]

csgo players make a ton too

i think a little while ago device was bought for a million dollars

[tropic herald]

CS is way ahead in infrastructure

[tired zodiac]

imagine playing league

[tropic herald]

Ofc they get paid that kinda money

[willow tartan]

oh its not the players (though i sure do think their contracts are something similar)

player transfer buyouts between orgs

[earnest leaf]

those prize earnings on liquidpedia are very off

Their prize money is heavily taxed

And it doesn't take into account the actual splits within the team

[tropic herald]

Also isn’t prize money considered gambling taxable in Cali

If so

LOL

[willow tartan]

fair; overwatch really is gambling a lot of the time

but LCS is still by far and large the biggest esport

those players have seven figure contracts on the regular

[trail perch]

Dota 2

Has THE biggest prize pools

[willow tartan]

multi-million dollar player contracts

[trail perch]

5m plus

[willow tartan]

valve money

[worn falcon]

dont forget agape

$21

[trail perch]

$21

[willow tartan]

ok its not 5 million btw

its 40 million

https://liquipedia.net/dota2/The_International/2021

[mortal abyss]

LCS has way bigger contracts and just makes heaps more money then basically any othe esport

[willow tartan]

so the number 1 team takes 45% of the winnings

thats 18 million dollars

This man has won the most prize money in all of esports, period.

[balmy wolf]

damn

i thought shock would lose this year

nevermind that

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/pharaohow/status/1297960568599580674?s=21

PHΛЯΛӨH (@PharaohOW)

Here's @SFShock 's @ansansniper__ getting 60 headshots and 62 kills in 35 seconds for no reason. https://t.co/tGPmM2k4zi

Retweets

225

Likes

1641

Twitter · Aug 24, 2020, 6:14 PM

Reviving ANS content

[raw ermine]

like 1/4 of those weren't HS's

[earnest leaf]

hope people didn't forget ans would win shock matches singlehandedly

by just killing 2 people a fight

[noble nexus]

he did that last season in his wr game against atlanta

[raw ermine]

these text contacts are gold

[remote siren]

Bro wtf

Ans coming back

Pine vs ans

Its gonna such a banger matchup

[dark hedge]

wasnt ans on some valorant team

[feral zodiac]

Lcs?

[calm trail]

ANS is finally back

[willow tartan]

League of Legends Championship Series

[calm trail]

I knew that man's "retirement" was only temporary

[feral zodiac]

Oh yeah

Doesn't that have enormous support in Asia though

Like, football levels of support

[willow tartan]

its north america mainly iirc

cuz its been team liquid and cloud9 that have been good

as well as tsm

[feral zodiac]

Is there big turnouts for watching it in America?

[willow tartan]

most watched esports

so probably

[feral zodiac]

Dude where do all the LoL fans/players hide, I rarely ever see one

[willow tartan]

they got like 4 million concurrent

[calm trail]

Arent the LCS massive in Korea?

[next mesa]

I'm still upset about striker

[willow tartan]

ok im stupid apparently LCS is the american regional qualifier

sorry i dont actually watch league lol

my friennd does tho

[supple prism]

Custa is going with a 3-0

[earnest leaf]

"kevster on low ping is gonna fuck shock"

the kevster praise is annoying

then he gives paris a map vs glads lmao

[sullen berry]

He was on the T1 Academy roster, not their main NA Valorant team

[next mesa]

He was on T1 academy not 100T

[sullen berry]

Thanks, I hate these two brands confuse me so much

[next mesa]

Bro when did ans dogwalk fits hello more like the opposite

[willow drum]

I mean there was a fair bit of dominating

on both sides

tbh

in both matches

[next mesa]

fair fair

As a seoul fanboy, obligatory playoff fits >= ans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> normal fits

[willow drum]

I mean Fits when he was popping off dominated Ans but it was close

And then when he lowkey stopped popping or when Ans popped

not too close

[true hound]

🙏

[tropic herald]

Avast says Void is his current MVP

[calm trail]

glads 1-3 shock is how it's gonna end

[willow drum]

it's going to be a 3-2

I think

Striker is out, Ans is in

[next mesa]

gotta be fearless

😩

[willow drum]

Ans might not be caught up

And then Glads are much better

but then again, Shock could play cleaner

But still imo 3-2

[next mesa]

ans doesnt need to get caught up he just needs to get in the lobby and click some fucking heads

which he's really good at

[calm trail]

^

[next mesa]

bro look at this shit wait

[calm trail]

Honestly, if Shock work on their stuff and clean their act up, they can win against Glads any day

honestly dont know what happened to them during June Joust

[willow drum]

Their June Joust was fine

[willow drum]

I think

It's just they fucking detest Hawaii

[next mesa]

uh what the fuck maybe stay clear from what you dont fucking understand BITCH

[willow drum]

LMAO BRO

Ans is arguably top hitscan

in world

[raw ermine]

dude got rolled in the comments

[calm trail]

That kid is without a doubt getting flamed

No one shits on ANS like that and is walking away without getting roasted

[willow drum]

kinda deserves it

honestly

[calm trail]

Facts

[willow drum]

Ans is such a nice

great person

talented, funny

nice as well

[true hound]

roolf better

[willow drum]

nah frdwnr

bets

[raw ermine]

roolf widow>ANS Widow

[calm trail]

Casuals seriously dont understand the genuine hardwork that goes into playing in esports, and ANS is deadass an amazing person, in both his character and his gameplay

[next mesa]

no i mean it pisses me off that this guy who has never even heard the name ANS saying some mad bullshit like u have no idea what the fuck you're talking about

[calm trail]

Right?

I truthfully believe it is because people no longer have a care about what they say online anymore

[true hound]

well yea u can say whatever behind a screen

[calm trail]

they can talk all they want because they have a screen to protect

[forest raven]

I just woke up

What has occurred

[calm trail]

you will never see this kid say the shit he is saying at a Shock home game

[willow drum]

@forest raven Striker

retired

[forest raven]

WHAT

[calm trail]

@forest raven ANS came back though

[willow drum]

And Ans came back to Shock

LMAO THE EMOTIONAL ROLLERCOASTER

THAT IS THE SF SHOCK

[calm trail]

indeed

[willow drum]

I cannot-

[forest raven]

WHAT

[willow drum]

Ans prob gonna play against Glads

[calm trail]

Striker imo is a pillar of Shock

[willow drum]

Striker should rest easy

He did so much

[calm trail]

so many retirements of great players from Shock

[willow drum]

Ty Striker for making OWL so good!

[willow drum]

Wait

only Striker?

This year

[calm trail]

yeah

but ANS last year

and Sleepy too

[earnest leaf]

I think people forgot how hard of a carry ans was

[willow drum]

Wait from the original

2018 Shock

only Super

remains....

[calm trail]

Mhm

[willow drum]

Eh Striker's prob gonna pull an Ans

come back in S6

[earnest leaf]

2018 shock has been super only left

[calm trail]

Others either retired or joined other teams

[willow drum]

mr mathew forhead cahsew delisi

still has prob the strongest mental in the game

respect to super

But isn't he going after this year?

That makes it depressing

[earnest leaf]

was 2018 shock

of course some of them were added later in the season

[noble nexus]

Iddqd lmfao

Got about as much playtime as Chipsa

[willow drum]

depressing

cause iddqd good

[noble nexus]

He would’ve been good in 2018

[willow drum]

Architecth, Danteh, Super and Choi in the league still

Sleepy says he might considering OW 2

[noble nexus]

And moth

[willow drum]

Esports

[willow drum]

on the sadiators?

yeah and moth haha

[noble nexus]

Unfortunately

[willow drum]

wasted talent, tbh.

[noble nexus]

Even tho I support that team

[willow drum]

I'm not sure if I would take being on a better than average team with really great pay or be on a great championship contendor team with good pay

I think winning > money anyways

so I'd stay

[noble nexus]

It wouldn’t be wasted if dpei would stop being a pretend coach

[willow drum]

I do think Gladiators is only that good

cause Space is a mega chad

and his mentality carries

and he's such a giga chad

[next mesa]

Striker leaving is such a huge blow

[noble nexus]

Space is like a consistent B tier OT

Striker leaving is so sad

[earnest leaf]

Getting ans back is the best case scenario after losing striker

While striker is a giga chad on tracer

his other heroes aren't anything special

[noble nexus]

Literally the best tracer for two seasons straight

[earnest leaf]

while ans is a giga chad on widow/cree/ashe

[willow drum]

Hmmm I don't know man

wdym his heroes weren't anything special?

[noble nexus]

And he just retired because the game sucks

[willow drum]

His Hanzo's insane

His reaper's great

His ashe is great as well

[earnest leaf]

Outside of tracer striker was good on other heroes, pretty great on a couple more, but they weren't world beaters like his tracer

[willow drum]

Just think he's an overall great player

[earnest leaf]

And contestable by a lot of dps in the league

But ans

[willow drum]

yeah but that ability to be such a good tracer

[earnest leaf]

Ans had 3 heroes he can hard diff people on

[willow drum]

is so big

I mean ig u have a point there lol

[earnest leaf]

But losing that tracer is fucking brutal

[willow drum]

yeah like

[earnest leaf]

since it was a guranteed tracer diff

[willow drum]

Maybe glister/nero fills??

Glister nero not too bad

[earnest leaf]

Glister/nero will play tracer depending on meta and what not

[noble nexus]

Nero can tracer probably

[next mesa]

Idk

his cree ashe hanzo

A+ tier at least

[earnest leaf]

Definetly

[next mesa]

his junk pharah also good i mean

also the leadership

[earnest leaf]

just not S tier like his tracer

[next mesa]

that WINNING MENTALITY BRO

https://tenor.com/view/insane-winners-mentality-björn-threat-pers-ninjas-in-pyjamas-a-winners-mindset-thats-how-winners-think-gif-21864743

[noble nexus]

Striker is their biggest loss out of everything tbh

[next mesa]

yeah

[noble nexus]

Even more so than moth

[next mesa]

I dont think having ans back will be enough

like the lost is more than the gain

but

we'll see

[noble nexus]

Idk Ans is like one of the only players that can practically 1v6

But you can’t replace a player like striker

Or even sidegrade

Their best case scenario was resigning ans here

Or making a play for sbb or some shit

Which I doubt they could manage to do

[willow drum]

Nah I mean

I argue moth

[earnest leaf]

ans imo was the biggest loss

but

uh

[willow drum]

No, cause SBB is arguably washed

[earnest leaf]

He back

The biggest loss now would be striker

maybe moth

[willow drum]

Nah, it'd be Choi

[earnest leaf]

I meant of players that are no longer on shock

[willow drum]

Ah

ic

Choi not on shock confirmed?

[earnest leaf]

if it was all of the players, I'd argue viol2t

[willow drum]

No, not really

Cause Twilight exists

And twilight is still an insane flex support

[next mesa]

Choi

[willow drum]

that argubaly works better with fdgod

Yeah it'd be Choi

[next mesa]

u could argue there's other insane OTs in korea

ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[feral zodiac]

Biggest loss was junkbuck coaching sadge

[next mesa]

perhaps lowkey

i think its striker

striker was the only thing keeping the dps line from becoming fuckin B tier

[earnest leaf]

Glister nero B tier?

[willow drum]

With Ans back

It cannot be B Tier

Like if you call Shock DPS B Tier

how many DPS lines are A or S?

[feral zodiac]

I legit think super would be a huge loss solely because of the team mental without him

[next mesa]

with Ans it's not B tier

just with how Glister have been performing

Like okay

with expectations

like would u rather take Glister Nero or Yaki Bqb

[feral zodiac]

Does anyone actually know anything about how good tay1o is

[willow drum]

Hm

[earnest leaf]

ta1yo popped in contenders

[willow drum]

What do we include?

[earnest leaf]

about all we know

[willow drum]

or exclude

like coaching etc etc?

like if coaches, teams

[earnest leaf]

I take glister/nero

[willow drum]

then glister nero

[feral zodiac]

Who would be the biggest loss out of current team not including ans

[willow drum]

but otherwise, if its just raw raw

bqb/yaki

[next mesa]

doubt

bqb yaki for me

[willow drum]

Current team, it'd be Choihyobin

How tf would you replace that good of an Off Tank

[earnest leaf]

hot take, but it could be super

[feral zodiac]

I say super

Shock = mentally boomed without super

[next mesa]

there's other cracked OTs

[feral zodiac]

Zalty

[earnest leaf]

super is irreplaceable imo

[next mesa]

player wise ehhhhh

[feral zodiac]

Mans mental is unbreakable

[willow drum]

Player wise, he's replacable

but he's the mental pillar

[earnest leaf]

skill wise his rein is still the best, his other tanks yea are matched by numerous other tanks

But personality wise

no one is gonna fill those shoes

[willow drum]

Yeah i feel like Shock is only as popular as he is

cause of his streaming

[feral zodiac]

Is fissure retired btw

[next mesa]

yep

tragic honestly

[feral zodiac]

Sadge

[next mesa]

guess who I blame

Titans 🎵

[feral zodiac]

Dpei

[willow drum]

almost as sad as dpei's coaching

[feral zodiac]

I just assume if smth goes wrong in the league it's dpei

[willow drum]

Shock getting 3-0ed

in Sunday Knockouts?

DPei's fault

[feral zodiac]

Yes

[noble nexus]

Dpei ruins everything

[willow drum]

Dallas Fuel losing to Shanghai?

[noble nexus]

Fuck him

[willow drum]

Dpei ruins it

I mean

who's the antagonist

of the OWL

I feel its Dallas Fuel

[feral zodiac]

In S3 it was shock

[next mesa]

theyre not the antognist if theyre likeable

[feral zodiac]

False

[willow drum]

false

Ever heard of the Jojos?

[feral zodiac]

Antagonist this season is either dragons or fuel