esports-discussion

[digital cloud]

get corey back

[next mesa]

aspire?

[earnest leaf]

Aspire/Hydron are two options

[digital cloud]

aspire good

[next mesa]

Shy will take a big shit on that t2 ass

not to mention ur best fs is ultraviol2t

[digital cloud]

moth still exists

[earnest leaf]

we won with rawkus

we can win with ultraviolet

[digital cloud]

oh wait he is main

[earnest leaf]

super/space tank line goated though

[next mesa]

if korea had scrim time it would've been much closer

IM JUST SAYIN

[earnest leaf]

[next mesa]

yeah thats right im high on that copium good shit

USA won their first and only world cup

[earnest leaf]

yea because they picked a fucking good roster for once

instead of fucking jake/muma

[forest raven]

Who was the other dps

Not Corey

[earnest leaf]

sinatraa in 2017

[next mesa]

lmao Gods

[earnest leaf]

we had fucking ster/seagull

for a wc

[next mesa]

anyways Chinese team will dunk on USA team

[forest raven]

2016 was a popularity contest

[earnest leaf]

In reality

korea super team would shit on everyone again

[next mesa]

I can see it being close

no no no

I cant

I mean like talent wise

on paper

it would be pretty close

but then crusty and moon are gonna be like what up

[earnest leaf]

on paper imo korea has the better tanks/supports

[next mesa]

its pipe time

[earnest leaf]

Dps is close

[forest raven]

Decay is unhinged

[earnest leaf]

But korea has 500 options for dps

[next mesa]

if diem didnt retire i would pick diem

[earnest leaf]

China has like leave and shy

[next mesa]

they have like

diya

[forest raven]

Eileen

[next mesa]

yeah

thats about it doe

[forest raven]

Who is the best Korean ms

[earnest leaf]

Probably ljg

[next mesa]

ljg

followed by tobi

but probably ljg

and then just slap alarm in there

no cap id take sparkle striker lip easy peasy

[earnest leaf]

LJG/Alarm/Fearless/Mano/Void

striker lip sparkle would pound though

[next mesa]

u trade a weakness in mei with sparkle's fuck you energy

[earnest leaf]

fuck mei

he's gonna force doom

[next mesa]

what are u gonna do with striker and sparkle in ur backline

nothing

absolutely nothing

pocket by alarm and then u have fearless going brrrr

its just over

[earnest leaf]

also real talk

put viol2t in over alarm

[forest raven]

My man

[earnest leaf]

pure raw chad energy with that roster

[next mesa]

ayt

fuck it

Viol2t will dive the backline

ljg comes with

i mean crusty just says

press W do whatever

[earnest leaf]

I just realized how aggressive viol2t ljg would be

[chilly dagger]

dw super will obv wreck them all

[next mesa]

i could see a 4-1 korea china finals

[mortal abyss]

No

[tribal canopy]

Its prolly gonna be
China
Korea
Usa

[next mesa]

i remember babybay talking about coming back just for OWWC

with sinatraa and corey

[mortal abyss]

I doubt sinatraa would come back after all that’s happened

[forest raven]

Fuck that abuser

[mortal abyss]

Indeed

Anyways

[earnest leaf]

yeaaaa he probably wouldn't be picked

[next mesa]

yeah no

real talk though usa would get shat on

[mortal abyss]

I do think korea would easily come 1st, with their only competitor being china

[next mesa]

by china

[earnest leaf]

nah

super/space diff

[tribal canopy]

Sinatraa probably wouldnt even be good

[next mesa]

that tankline is overrated

[mortal abyss]

What about a UK roster

[next mesa]

Lige > Space

Gaga > Super

[tribal canopy]

Big wrong

[earnest leaf]

na just forces rush and wins

[tribal canopy]

Na best rush team

[next mesa]

they wont they will get pounded by leave and eileen

i mean

shy

oops

[tribal canopy]

Germany gonna take it in the end anyways

[next mesa]

who plays cree flameknight

[mortal abyss]

On rein super takes it easily but ga9a is way better on every other mt

[next mesa]

oh yeah aspire

still gonna get shit on doe

[earnest leaf]

hey super's orisa is kinda clean

[tribal canopy]

Nero mei > china mei

[mortal abyss]

Gagas is a lot better though

[tribal canopy]

So chinas only wincondition is the cree

[next mesa]

Eileen mei is nice

[tribal canopy]

In rush

[earnest leaf]

do danteh or nero mei

[mortal abyss]

I rate super a lot higher then most but gaga is just better

[next mesa]

Gagas orisa is great

also guxue winston >>>> super winston

[mortal abyss]

^^

[tribal canopy]

Super Orisa Rein
Gaga Winston Ball

Na gonna rush everything down

[mortal abyss]

Who would the us flex support even be

[forest raven]

Ultraviolet

[next mesa]

thats just not gonna work

[earnest leaf]

ultraviolet unless people rate crimzo higher

[mortal abyss]

He’s not 18

[next mesa]

ultraviolet

u dont have to be 18

for owwc

[chilly dagger]

Joobi

[forest raven]

Don't need to be 18 for wc

[tribal canopy]

Jake

[mortal abyss]

I thought you did

[next mesa]

which is good

nah

shy was in china owwc team for like the past 2 years

[mortal abyss]

Ok then ultraviolet since I rate him above crimzo

Mmonk nisha is still better though

[trail perch]

Canada over US rn

Hot take

[next mesa]

thats a hot take

[mortal abyss]

Ultraviolet is cracked but mmonk is really solid

[next mesa]

who would even be ur tank line

[trail perch]

XQC obviously

[next mesa]

mmonk is more cracked than ultraviolet

[trail perch]

Isnt False canadian?

[forest raven]

[mortal abyss]

And I think Nisha is arguably a top 3 ms

[earnest leaf]

who tf does canada have

also wait crimzo is canadian

I think

[tribal canopy]

Hadi kaan is germanys team. No need for anything else

[mortal abyss]

Yeah he is

[trail perch]

Crimzo

[mortal abyss]

Just realised lol

[trail perch]

Surefour

Agillites

[tribal canopy]

2016 team then

[trail perch]

Sixfeet

XQC

False

[next mesa]

no offense but danteh nero would slap surefour agilities

[trail perch]

Not too sure about that

[next mesa]

xqc is not top at all

[earnest leaf]

canadian owwc team would get shit on by OD teams

[trail perch]

Who plays Hitscan?

Danteh widow???

[earnest leaf]

aspire

[next mesa]

aspire

[trail perch]

so its aspire danteh nero

[forest raven]

Those three, super/space, moth/ultraviolet

[next mesa]

solid roster on paper but the dps gap is just too large against china

[mortal abyss]

Yeah

[next mesa]

and tank

and support lowkey tiny gap

[trail perch]

The everything gap

Moth Washed

Ill say it again

Moth Washed

[mortal abyss]

Plus I rate mmonk/ mcd nisha > ultra and moth

[forest raven]

Who's China's ot

[earnest leaf]

what shit you smoking

[trail perch]

Lige

[earnest leaf]

calling moth washed

[next mesa]

mcd is korean

[mortal abyss]

Lige

[next mesa]

u can put lige or elsa

[mortal abyss]

Shit

[trail perch]

he hasnt looked good all year

Moth washed

[mortal abyss]

My b

[trail perch]

Shu has looked good

[next mesa]

lige not depressed > elsa > lige

[trail perch]

Kevster has looked good

[earnest leaf]

moth has looked perfectly fine on lucio/mercy

[trail perch]

Moth has not

[mortal abyss]

But mmonk/nisha is still better imo

[trail perch]

Fine, not good

thus washed, hes not the best in the world

Hes prob not top 5

[next mesa]

put nisha on brig mercy, my boy superich on lucio

[earnest leaf]

when I mean he's been fine, he's still good

[trail perch]

Superrich prob better lol

Than moth

[earnest leaf]

i'd still take him over 90% of the MS in the league

[mortal abyss]

Is superich still unsigned

[trail perch]

Yeah somehow

And Innovation

[mortal abyss]

That’s a crime

[forest raven]

Innovation's coaching

[trail perch]

Innovation, Superrich and Diya all unsigned

[mortal abyss]

Wait I have regular?

[trail perch]

yeah but he played for CC last year

[mortal abyss]

Ok then

[trail perch]

with Ga9a, Diya, Lige, Superrich and 1987

[mortal abyss]

I do not know how diya hasn’t gone to charge yet

[next mesa]

innovation is a player coach

[mortal abyss]

It’s such a perfect signing

[next mesa]

also just wanted to say that in the finals china had kyo and eileen on widow

[trail perch]

Trolling

[next mesa]

on paper honestly

just better

[mortal abyss]

God leave / shy just sounds so unfair

[next mesa]

and if u dont troll and get like NoHill/Innovation

/Mochal

as actual good coaches

not like fuckin

spark coaches or whatever

then ur golden

[raw ermine]

Oi

Rui still cracked

[next mesa]

hes injured dingus

[raw ermine]

No he isn't dingus

He rejoined hunters dingus

Check liquipedia dingus

[next mesa]

wtf

I MISREAD THE DATE

mb

[raw ermine]

L

[next mesa]

yeah anyway nohill >>>>

[trail perch]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tfm8HCRAu_Y

@devout path

Valentine pog

[earnest leaf]

Hero rankings are gonna be so skewed

But also daan not top 10 rein

[devout path]

i saw

[toxic perch]

YOOOO VALENTINE WITH THE 4 MIN JUNK CARRY

[willow tartan]

according to hero rankings half the league has never ran echo

wtf

wait no does it only count the top 10?

hmm

why

[next mesa]

it only shows the top 10

[next mesa]

https://twitter.com/Packing_10/status/1406595564691668992

Michael Szklanny Sr. (@Packing_10)

@AHHHHvet @overwatchleague When you have double digits ownership groups paying multi millions of dollars for a professional league....that should take priority. 2-2-2 was a band aid fix for poor hero balancing and devs being afraid to take risks on big balance changes.

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Twitter · Jun 20, 2021, 12:51 PM

agree or naw yall?

wait shit

https://twitter.com/Packing_10/status/1406593436623544325

Michael Szklanny Sr. (@Packing_10)

Every now and then I think about just what wrong with @overwatchleague. How did it go from being so amazing with great viewership to boring, stale, and tumbling viewership....and I swear it happened at the end of Season 2 Stage 3 when roles were introduced. Everyone said the 1/2

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Twitter · Jun 20, 2021, 12:43 PM

I do think that its possible some form of role lock was introduced to non pro but from Open division and up no role lock

[raw ermine]

I mean OWL doesn't make as much money as OW, so not really

[next mesa]

theres like half a billion in OWL at least it has so much potential to make money what does OW have

lootboxes and game sales

[tropic herald]

owl makes a fraction of whatever ow makes

[earnest leaf]

2021 and people still blaming 2-2-2

Stage 3 was goats most of the time and a few times running dps

[tropic herald]

people saying stage 3 was diverse

well yes

but it was about to turn into constant ball comps

also p10 trying to make balance team and owl team the same thing ?

[tawdry hamlet]

Idk man I think double shield did it, made watching tank play dead and every game was just like oooh I can't wait to see what the dps meta is while the supports and tanks do exactly the same shit. Like you might get a zen pop off or bap pop off from the players like alarm but in the end it was just watch hitscan play ashe and then watch whatever flex hero is meta over and over

Like I think heroes that can do too many things got introduced, it was no longer a struggle of "do we pick the widow and lose up close of cree but gain long range" to "oh just play ashe she does both"

Do we brawl with the eat, multi kill capable, mobile off tank dva or do we brawl with the sigma who does all that plus a barrier

And then every patch since has just been tuning the characters like bap sigma and ashe that have far too much kit

Like remember original ashe and original brig

And original sigma for that matter

[next mesa]

Original Ashe was pretty bad wasn't it

Her gun felt clunky

But I remember some minor gun buffs and suddenly she was like super strong so maybe she was just overlooked

[tropic herald]

The reason she ever got play was that some hero pool that banned nearly every hitscan

[next mesa]

But then she became meta for half of last season

[tawdry hamlet]

She had more ammo and dynamite had longer duration or something iirc

Dynamite could just be hucked into every fight for nuts value

Around like summer showdown time ashe was an instalock on non widow maps If I remember right

Weird how the balancing always falls back to tracer being the best dps

She is never like not good for some reason

[earnest leaf]

No one thing can be pointed too for owl declining a bit

[tawdry hamlet]

Given her skill cap I don't mind but it's just funny she's always there

[tropic herald]

OWL declining was a few things together

But it’s on the uptick again

[earnest leaf]

i think moving to YT hurt it the most though

Losing drops for a period of time, and youtube streams being a bitch to find

[tropic herald]

The only reason YT move hurt is Bc discovery on YT is quite terrible

[gusty rampart]

I wish Contenders would do drops on YT

So I didn't have to use their shitty website

[tawdry hamlet]

I wish this too

[forest raven]

The game itself hasn't gotten any content in over a fucking year

[gusty rampart]

Kanezaka and Crossplay technically

[tawdry hamlet]

That is true but the league was already declining before they added echo lowkey

[gusty rampart]

But overall no new content

[earnest leaf]

yea no new heroes for 2 fucking years doesn't help

[forest raven]

Kanezaka and crossplay don't affect OWL

Which is what I should have said

[tropic herald]

Man I wish games like LoL and FN didn’t exist Bc they just made content have to be constant or else the game is seen as bad to outside people

[forest raven]

I mean there's longer waits for content and then there's just...

No content

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean people still played halo Lans with the same 5 weapons for like 10 years tbf

[gusty rampart]

I don't really care if not many people watch OWL, I enjoy watching it and like it a lot.

[tawdry hamlet]

Content isn't a necessity

[tropic herald]

Because Blizzard has a different monetization model than every other popular game rn

So they kill themselves with this content drought

[next mesa]

But tbh we are the minority

And if the majority doesn't like

Owl is just gonna die

[tawdry hamlet]

I think it's just a combination of age, stagnation, lack of lans, power creep, Many factors

[gusty rampart]

Overwatch League makes it money with like 50k viewers every stream

That's all they really care about

[forest raven]

Bro covid fucked OWL so incredibly hard

[gusty rampart]

It did

[tawdry hamlet]

Yes it did

[forest raven]

I don't think it can be overstated

[tawdry hamlet]

Literally killed the owl market

[gusty rampart]

But it still was the only sport that succeeded

[tropic herald]

Imagine if homestands weren’t planned for last year

So many teams would not be broke

[next mesa]

50k viewers for like a billion dollar esports leagye

Yikes

[forest raven]

Andy Miller talked about how homestands in 2020 was gonna make the Shock finally profitable for NRG

[next mesa]

Well maybe not billion dollars

[forest raven]

I imagine that was the case for many teams

[tropic herald]

Paris was hard banking on hometands LOL

[next mesa]

Actually so fucking unlucky

[tawdry hamlet]

Funny to watch rich orgs succeed though since budget concerns are big bruhs

[tropic herald]

They over spent on a good team then planked Bc no homestands

[tawdry hamlet]

Like it shows how unprofitable it is that only the rich ass orgs see widespread success

[tropic herald]

Shanghai and Dallas prospering Bc they have money printing out of a machine

[tawdry hamlet]

Philly too

Comcast bucks

[tropic herald]

I think Shanghai players are surely the best paid players in the league

[forest raven]

How does Envy have so much fucking money

[tropic herald]

Texas

[tawdry hamlet]

How does cloud9 have so little money 😭 😭

[forest raven]

I think C9 does have money

They just don't want to spend it on ow

Hastro's been in on ow since 2015

[tropic herald]

Also Envy has like

[tawdry hamlet]

Out of all the budget teams I really think Paris got the most for their money

[forest raven]

Avalla

[tropic herald]

The good shit in investors

[forest raven]

Oh yeah didn't Envy get investments from like a Texas energy tycoon

[tawdry hamlet]

Trust in Jmac and Avalla

[tropic herald]

Envy has just tons of wealthy people who invest

[forest raven]

Anyway

Eat the rich

[tropic herald]

And then it shouldn’t need to be talked about why teams like Hangzhou and Shanghai have bank

[tawdry hamlet]

I find it so dumb that immortals sold valiant management in top market region to Chinese org. Why didn't they just quicksell the whole spot and cut their losses instead of wrecking their fanbase and roster at the same time just to lose money anyway

[next mesa]

China

[tropic herald]

Anyways here we pray that ow2 brings in a large player base and causes the leagues interest to grow

And maybe they add more eu and apac teams so we can have actual regions

[forest raven]

10 new heroes minimum

[tawdry hamlet]

Like if they actually made profit on the Chinese deal I could see why they do it, but all this does it cut their losses just slightly at the end of the year, why not just quicksell the damn team instead for a fraction of what you paid and get out man 😭

Instead they ruin the fans, roster, and profit margins even more

[tropic herald]

Busan or Incheon team

[tawdry hamlet]

Yes another Korea team pls

[forest raven]

Australian team

[tawdry hamlet]

@bigkorean/chinesetelecomcompanies pls buy new roster spot

Ok speculation time, with packing 10 coaching realistically in na where would this roster have landed power rankings wise

I can't decide if they would be better than Toronto or not. I think they would but I'm not sure

[tropic herald]

Below mayhem above Toronto

[tawdry hamlet]

Atlanta would just have pelican Edison and like what sharp? So they'd probably have landed below them I think

But idk agilities isn't super good and Adam lowkey not that good, like I'm happy he almost made it out of Australian Contenders jail but realistically to me he just looked like a slightly better McGravy

Like watching him and gig get knocked out first in contenders this month with uprising academy was kind of sad

[earnest leaf]

I want a Minnesota team

So I can have one more team to be disappointed by

[trail perch]

GC BUSAN IN OWL

[sleek pine]

Bro

Since when did Dallas get so good

[tawdry hamlet]

When they signed all of the people who used to win together to the same roster and they ended up winning together again

[sleek pine]

Understandable

[forest raven]

EM + Fielder = good team

[tawdry hamlet]

Basically they did what the 2019 titans did except instead of signing the players right from contenders what they did was sign all the players who were on other teams

Kind of wild they went from Dohas Fuel to Dallas Eternal to champs

What a wild season one of the anime

Season 2 starts with the losing revenge arc obviously

And then grand finals Dallas win

[sullen berry]

Where have you been, brother Eddy
https://eddy-meng.medium.com/mid-season-adjustments-d96856f3501f

[twilit stump]

gay

[feral zodiac]

Is the league doing homestands now?

[mortal abyss]

Slowly yeah

Dallas and Houston are

Same with shanghai and charge

Dallas and Houston is only for 1 day though iirc

[willow drum]

when does summer shodownpickems start

[feral zodiac]

League finally making money let's go

[toxic perch]

how so

that would be huge news

[feral zodiac]

Homestands

[mortal abyss]

The league isn’t making money the teams are

[worn falcon]

Yeah, teams asked for permission to OWL and i am guessing to their govt from those states, to hold a tiny homestand

iirc for teh dallas one was for like 1k fans

[limber pine]

IIRC the Dallas and Houston events aren’t homestands

Just live events

[fierce ferry]

What do you think the summer showdown skin will be?

[odd ibex]

a flower or something

[balmy wolf]

gonna be hanzo

[tough wharf]

reinhardt in a borat mankini

[fierce ferry]

Yes

[mortal abyss]

they're both playing on stage though

[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/TorontoDefiant/status/1407035587668758528?s=19

Toronto Defiant 🌈 #RiseTogether (@TorontoDefiant)

Thank you @Beasthalo for being part of the team these past two seasons! We are saying goodbye to Adam as he retires from professional Overwatch. Best of luck in your future from all of the Defiant family! 🖤 #RiseTogether #DefiantForever https://t.co/dPA04vKexH

Twitter · Jun 21, 2021, 6:00 PM

[hot onyx]

nnnnnNNNOOOO

[devout path]

This is because none of you said happy birthday to beast

[hot onyx]

I SAID HAPPY BIRTHDAY

Best mt in the league benched for this “Sado” kid

It’s not right

[mortal abyss]

😦

[devout path]

True true

[hot onyx]

I don’t think I’ll ever recover

[devout path]

I’ll miss beast

[hot onyx]

I can no longer wear my Beast jersey without tears streaming down my face

[devout path]

Beast is like EM

The game will never be the same without them

[hot onyx]

Not according to Luigi

[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/Beasthalo/status/1407039058153517062

Beast (@Beasthalo)

I want to thank Defiant for the two years I've spent with them, but unfortunately I've lost my passion for Overwatch so I will be taking a short break from gaming. I will continue to cheer for Defiant and wish them the best! https://t.co/w03zdOXRTW

Twitter · Jun 21, 2021, 6:13 PM

[devout path]

I’ll miss you beast

[gusty rampart]

We lost a legend

[hot onyx]

I’ll miss him so much

[devout path]

True true

[hot onyx]

I want him back already

[gusty rampart]

Toronto fell down at least one tier

[hot onyx]

Hope he comes back next year with Xzi

[devout path]

You know beast is a big deal when they getting more attention than diem

Who even is diem anyways

Sounds trash

Beast sounds like a top 1 main tank

[raw ermine]

didn't even win all 3 widow 1v1s? pathetic

[hot onyx]

Some kid that played in Apex with Erster

[devout path]

Oh so got carried by erster

[hot onyx]

God I miss Erster so much

Xzi Erster and Beast

Dynamic Trio

[devout path]

Ans

[hot onyx]

WhOmegalul?

[devout path]

We lost the 2 goats

Ans and beast

[hot onyx]

It’s bad enough that we lost Brussen and Greyy last year

But now BEAST

Imma go cry brb

[raw ermine]

don't even get me started about rawkus

[devout path]

I will forever miss halo

[kind ridge]

even though he didnt play he will always be remembered

[devout path]

True

[kind ridge]

he was better than numlocked last year at least

[devout path]

Houston was so shit

[hot onyx]

Back

Imagine a team full of “trapped” players

Players that are excellent but on a bad team

Or just better than their team

[plush grail]

beast gone

woah

im surprised

[hot onyx]

Dude don’t remind me I’m still recovering

[cursive plover]

how are we doing in saltland?

[hot onyx]

Shy ChoiSehWan GaeBullSsi Sado Creative and Friday

[kind ridge]

good

[kind ridge]

i would say jjonak instead of friday

[noble nexus]

double fs?

nty

[hot onyx]

Ah yes Jjonak main support

[cursive plover]

lmao

[hot onyx]

Truly an underestimated foe

Somebody has been checking the NYXL scrims

[cursive plover]

Jjonak's best hero is obviously mercy

[kind ridge]

oh you were making a team out of this shit mb

[hot onyx]

Dw

[kind ridge]

but in case of double fs meta

[hot onyx]

Who else is a trapped fs though?

[next mesa]

i wouldnt say creative is trapped

coldest

instead of creative

[hot onyx]

I meant trapped as in trapped with a bad team

So yeah

Creative

[earnest leaf]

https://twitter.com/Custa/status/1407038015571177480

Scott Kennedy (@Custa)

Yesterday I got engaged to @Sabby, my best friend and partner in esports crime.

Here's to many more years of throwing video games together and descending into crazy cat parents!

Twitter · Jun 21, 2021, 6:09 PM

[mortal abyss]

aw

[next mesa]

but spark is also in your list of "bad" teams

shy?

[hot onyx]

(And as Mr Sans insulted the Dynasty to the Seoul fan, he realised that those words would be his last)

[next mesa]

(yes but I will forgive you just for this time)

[hot onyx]

Also epic

Aight thx

[next mesa]

but also

[hot onyx]

And current Spark is on the list

[next mesa]

I feel like fits will be better lol

[hot onyx]

Fits so inconsistent

[next mesa]

no mans cracked

[earnest leaf]

he's on seoul

[hot onyx]

He’s either the best hs in the league or the same level as IM37

[willow tartan]

so is profit

[earnest leaf]

inconsistency is in their contracts

[next mesa]

he only looks inconsisntent

[willow tartan]

because team

inconsistency is tradition in the eastern division

[next mesa]

mans a crackhead

[willow tartan]

the only team that has been consistent in eastern is valiant

[hot onyx]

Not true

Charge has been consistently 1-3

Fusion and Dragons got slapped around a couple times but they’re still overall the best in apac imo

[willow tartan]

charge beat new york this stage but that's because new york is the inconsistent one

[earnest leaf]

here's the thing

all of apac is inconsistent outside of shd

[willow tartan]

are we ignoring dragons getting swept this stage by hz

[earnest leaf]

dragons still went 3-1, qualified and won

after qualifying last stage and going to finals as well

pretty consistent to me

[willow tartan]

oh yeah for sure, dragons consistently show up in knockouts and tournaments

[devout path]

Ah yes getting swept by the 4-0 team so inconsistent

[willow tartan]

by HANGZHOU

[devout path]

Yes

Spark cracked

[earnest leaf]

no one cares if you lose a match to one team

and win the finals that stage

[devout path]

Dragons not inconsistent spark just rlly good

[willow tartan]

I mean sure, but it still shouldn't happen imo

[earnest leaf]

No team can be immortal

Only time a team was immortal was shock stage 2, and shock during s2 playoffs after the atl loss

[plush grail]

owo

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JRsgHqH60jg

[earnest leaf]

your mt is still daan

[willow tartan]

man idk it's like how philly dropped a map to valiant

It just shouldn't happen

[noble nexus]

it wasn't even a close map

they got full held

[willow tartan]

though admittedly, the philly one was much worse

full held by the worst team in the league when you have one of the most stacked rosters

[mortal abyss]

that’s the fusion way

[plush grail]

stfu

daan is good

[willow tartan]

ofc there was also the start of the season, but I guess they were rusty or something

[hot onyx]

Keep in mind Fusion got full held because they didn’t have FunnyAstro

And because hero pools cucked them

Summer Showdown

[mortal abyss]

No rein really hurt fusion

[hot onyx]

No hero pools

Yes FunnyAstro

[mortal abyss]

They were the best meicree team in apac

[devout path]

Lol funny

[willow tartan]

no, getting full held is just a massive mistake

[mortal abyss]

It also felt kinda unlucky that they got a bad read on the meta but eh

Happens

[earnest leaf]

no excuses for losing a map to valiant tbh

[mortal abyss]

Yup

[next mesa]

shock was also immortal for like almost all of last year

except summer showdown

[hot onyx]

Tbf if Carpe mirrored Krystal instead of making the decision to play reaper with an orisa comp it might’ve been different

[willow tartan]

sparkle genji go brrrrr

[mortal abyss]

Reaper was the right pick with the orisa comp lol

[hot onyx]

Orisa dva though

[mortal abyss]

Carpe played wel on defence

[willow tartan]

that's also when the gzc won over shanghai

[mortal abyss]

On offense…. Not so much

[hot onyx]

Tobi died first a lot on defence iirc

Astro never dies

[mortal abyss]

Fusion just shouldn’t of player neo goats on attack

[hot onyx]

He’s so good it’s like there’s a permanent immortality field around him

[mortal abyss]

Was never going to work

I can’t wait for astro alarm duo again

Like it was 60% the reason why fusion were so good last season

[willow tartan]

yea

[hot onyx]

You forgot ChipSa

[willow tartan]

dude why didn't chipsa get resigned smh

chipsa doom would've clapped harder than sparkle doom

[mortal abyss]

We don’t have chipsa this year to absorb the 2nd place

[hot onyx]

ChipSa overrated though

Should let ChrisTFer get some game time

Legendary gamer stuck on the bench smh

[plush grail]

blocked

[hot onyx]

Lip > Onigod

[plush grail]

cap

[hot onyx]

EQO > Naga

[tawdry hamlet]

oh no they lost beast they are broken as a team :(((

[plush grail]

cowboy

stfu

[fast tusk]

I lost connection in the middle of a fucking comp game and i cant connect back

[balmy wolf]

-50

[hot onyx]

No. Free country + free speech = Yeehaw Skeleton rights

[plush grail]

saying free country like we live in the same country lmao

[tribal canopy]

what country are you from

[balmy wolf]

hes dutch

they have no free speech apparently

[plush grail]

im a silly little dutch man

[tribal canopy]

is anyone here french

[balmy wolf]

bonjour

[tribal canopy]

oh no

[hot onyx]

Dutch people don’t have free speech?

[willow tartan]

LIP > any other hitscan dps currently in the league

[plush grail]

we have daan

[hot onyx]

We have FunnyAstro and Kai

[hot onyx]

Tsuna

[noble nexus]

Dalton

[hot onyx]

Tsuna > Dalton

Titans got rid of all their good players last year

[trail perch]

Ew no

Ofc not

[tribal canopy]

Good

[willow tartan]

my life is so boring can overwatch league just come back please plelase please

[mortal abyss]

Mood

[civic cloud]

💯

[willow tartan]

it is the only thing that brings me joy

to get hyped up about things

[civic cloud]

Yup, happy waiting fellow fan

[next mesa]

Yea

[worn falcon]

https://twitter.com/LimeOverwatch/status/1406877311031332865

Gen.G Lime (@LimeOverwatch)

더 이상의 강사진은 없다! 진짜가 왔다. GGA!

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지금 바로 신청하세요!

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30대 40대 신청 환영👍

Twitter · Jun 21, 2021, 7:31 AM

this coaching staff

[earnest leaf]

I heard roar was actually pretty helpful coaching wise for justice during their playoff run

[raw ermine]

holy fucking shit xepher r0ar coaching line I came

[willow tartan]

yoooo

[trail perch]

How would yall rate aprita tracer vs other tracers?

I see him as similar to someone like proper in contenders

Maybe around sp9rk1e level

[next mesa]

Sounds about right

[next mesa]

aprita's ashe is fucking nasty

[worn falcon]

https://twitter.com/GZCharge/status/1407171580694720548

Guangzhou Charge (@GZCharge)

Update regarding the Countdown Cup Homestand originally scheduled for this August:

Twitter · Jun 22, 2021, 3:00 AM

cancelled

thanks covid

[twin cedar]

Anyone got a OW Hero Tierlist

Suggesting heros to my dad based on info from tierlists but a lot of the ones I see on google are generally inconsistent aside from the crappy heroes

[earnest leaf]

https://twitter.com/Hangzhou_Spark/status/1407186583489449984

Hangzhou Spark (@Hangzhou_Spark)

Today we part ways with DPS player Kim "@GodsB_OW" Kyeong-bo as he enters free agency.
Learn a little more about him in this special AMA episode, and listen to our member's parting words to him.
Thank you, GodsB. You are always our big brother. https://t.co/H2zApjTDxW

Twitter · Jun 22, 2021, 4:00 AM

[worn falcon]

ohno

[digital cloud]

eh

I was never impressed with him to be honest

[willow tartan]

Hopefully it doesn't get out of control to the point another hard lockdown has to be done

[stuck radish]

its always some dumbass that starts outbreaks again man

[forest raven]

I went to work, got home from work

And both beast and godsb are fucking dead

[mortal abyss]

Damn 😦

[mortal abyss]

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1407229126000451585?s=21

Arran “Halo” Spake (@haloofthoughts)

According to multiple sources, the Guangzhou Charge have had a lot of interest in former RunAway DPS Tae-Min “Mer1t” Choi and there is an expectation that he will likely join the Charge this season.

Twitter · Jun 22, 2021, 6:49 AM

[earnest leaf]

new pickems are up

time to cash in on seoul stonks

they're gonna fucking pound qualifiers, and choke play-insORplayoffs

[stuck radish]

seoul will put shanghai in the losers bracket

im calling it

you also have 0 reason to believe me because i dont even know seoul's roster aside from profit gesture

[vagrant cargo]

Godsb was rlly good

[devout path]

Fits creative

Marve1

Toyou

[forest raven]

Anamo

[devout path]

I forgot who main support is

Wait ye anamo

I keep thinking tobi

[forest raven]

Lunatic Hai

[willow tartan]

oh right, like the last time these two teams played

[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/GodsB_OW/status/1407188163777359876

GodsB (@GodsB_OW)

https://t.co/tqShFV7KVq

Retweets

156

Likes

954

Twitter · Jun 22, 2021, 4:06 AM

https://twitter.com/GodsB_OW/status/1407321054268190720

GodsB (@GodsB_OW)

LFT OWL
I'm Free agent now

Discord : GodsB#2141
Email : [e-mail]

Twitter · Jun 22, 2021, 12:54 PM

[balmy wolf]

lol sign him ffs

fire im37

get this man on boston

[willow tartan]

o i thought he retired zzz

thank god his come back

[tawdry hamlet]

Get this man on Chengdu jimmy sucks

Or charge Kaylee sucks

[tropic herald]

Well Chengdu has Taro

And Guangzhou are looking to have Mer1t

[sullen berry]

runaway players looking for a home

I certainly think Mer1t fits that spot

[devout path]

True true

Wait godsb is Chinese right

[raw ermine]

nah

korean

[balmy wolf]

godsb korean

[sullen berry]

I also had the feeling that Mer1t was going to go somewhere

but I didn't expect an update to our dps so soon - called it about a week ago

[balmy wolf]

wow i wouldve never expected that you need a new hitscan

[sullen berry]

yeah

Kaylee's been doing great

great warming the bench

[balmy wolf]

hes a meme already

[sullen berry]

I pray for his safe passage to enlightenment - whether it was poorly led coaching or there was a lack of direction in his own play after the NYXL open scrim he deserves better

[devout path]

Perfect

Godsb to Boston

Who is the owl stats nerd in this chat

[balmy wolf]

why stats?

[devout path]

Fearless has the highest primal rage kills in a map right

Or is it mag

[balmy wolf]

fearless

with 16 i think

[devout path]

It was on the Gibraltar game Dallas vs Washington in may melee right

[balmy wolf]

yes

[devout path]

And mag has the second highest in the same map right

[balmy wolf]

i believe so yes

[devout path]

Lol

[balmy wolf]

he had 12

i think

[devout path]

Some crazy winstons

[sullen berry]

I'm waiting for some NA team to pull this off without being fined for abusing mechanics
https://youtu.be/6gS7FDyZrYs?t=281

[balmy wolf]

nvmd

mag got diffed

[devout path]

Wait so mag got second highest primal rage kills in a different map then

[balmy wolf]

prob

gibraltar was fearless-show tho

[devout path]

Is that a mobile owl stats lab?

[balmy wolf]

found on reddit

idk where its from

[sullen berry]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Es92SPsb3Dk

sounds like someone just had some pizza hut and burped into the mic

[next mesa]

always seoul stonks baby

mag got it on a diff map

like eichenwald or some shit

dont quote me doe

Didnt spark offer godsb to dallas

Isnt it kinda safe to say that Pine > Godsb

[tropic herald]

we dont know

pine and godsb didnt see major playtime in the same season

tbh id pick up godsb first but i imagine pine looks better bc hes on dallas

[next mesa]

I just mean like if we trust 100% on the coaches

and they picked pine over godsb

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/outlaws/status/1407368012882235392?s=21

Houston Outlaws (@Outlaws)

Might mess around and...

| 👀 |
\ /
| |_
/ ✊__/
_✊

create a new esports team.

Twitter · Jun 22, 2021, 4:00 PM

[plush grail]

i fucking love this

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/o5lwdt/imt_nyxl_head_of_data_releases_cool_owl_stats/

remember when imt was a bad coach

so they just made him head of data

he went from coaching to making stats sites

[raw ermine]

dang you beat me to is empathy

[next mesa]

my chigga silver3

what the hell is FB Value

fielder is literally just different

[plush grail]

final blows

[next mesa]

ohhh

makes sense

profit top 2 danggggggg

[plush grail]

he's using pretty weird names for the stats

[next mesa]

skewed has highest team fight winrate lmaoo

followed by molly 🕺

[plush grail]

has skewed even played a map

when

[next mesa]

bro he literally lowkey playing more than moth LOL

brig

[mortal abyss]

Skewed has been insane on brig ngl

[raw ermine]

roolf 4th?

[mortal abyss]

its not really a great stat

since it's all heroes

players with more playtime on heroes like moira (like fielder) are going to have better stats then players who play heroes like ana/zen regardless of the individual skill of the play

[willow tartan]

who knows, pine could be dogshit, godsb could just not compete

[next mesa]

so ur saying they chose pine because godsb is just that bad

wait

im misunderstanding

[willow tartan]

and besides, they picked xzi first, they only picked up pine because he was interested in playing and ig they needed a replacement or something? in his video thing he said he (pine) was looking to try joining again after news of xzi retiring

though i have no idea if godsb was offered to dallas post start of season

[devout path]

Ye pine worse than xzi but better than other tryouts

We don’t know who was in preseason tryouts but not in post season tryouts

[willow tartan]

other tryoutees maybe got a dif team

[next mesa]

I would imagine that xzi was picked over pine, but pine got the attention of the coaches like oh shit hes actually not washed so after xzi retired they prob did another tryout with the top prospects of previous tryout

[willow tartan]

now i dont think godsb was offered to dallas though because hz didnt release him, he willingly wanted to dip

[next mesa]

no i think halo said smt

[devout path]

I think godsb was offered post season

[willow tartan]

i wonder what team would sign him tho, would be a shame if he didnt play owl this year

[next mesa]

yea post season

[devout path]

Cuz coaching problems pre season

Which means pine > godsb

[plush grail]

im pretty sure godsb already has a new team

[devout path]

At least during tryouts

[plush grail]

because the way spark worded that tweet

[willow tartan]

godsb is LFT

[devout path]

No didn’t godsb make a LFT tweet

[willow tartan]

yes

[plush grail]

not signed yet

but already close

to signing

[willow tartan]

who?

because there is like the signing deadline too right?

[next mesa]

who would need godsb rn

i doubt charge

[willow tartan]

no one in east

[plush grail]

only trades

[willow tartan]

o

trade is what again?

[plush grail]

trade is when they trade players

either 1:1 swap or money

[willow tartan]

what is the difference between dropping a player and letting them sign as opposed to just trading

[next mesa]

also apparently lateyoung will be released

[feral zodiac]

Valiant to sign godsB

[plush grail]

i also really dont get this

like

[willow tartan]

does godsb chinese good?

[plush grail]

a player could just leave the team, become a free agent and then get signed again

it just makes it harder

for some dumb reason

[next mesa]

i cant find the tweet that said spark offered godsb

[plush grail]

lol i remember a tweet way back that claimed nyxl was offering jjonak to teams for 50k

[vagrant cargo]

Godsb boston

[feral zodiac]

Not sure

[vagrant cargo]

Or even justuce hes a upgrade over jerry tbh

[feral zodiac]

Could you see him going to charge

[willow tartan]

doubt it

[vagrant cargo]

Mer1t charge

[feral zodiac]

Ah

[vagrant cargo]

Im surprised halo got that one so late

Wonder if he catches the takoyaki m1ka rumors as well

[feral zodiac]

I think jerry is even with godsB

[next mesa]

mer1t is going to charge right

[vagrant cargo]

Id favor godsb godsb is rlly underrated imo

[vagrant cargo]

Yeah

[feral zodiac]

So is Jerry imo

[next mesa]

where are they going?

[plush grail]

jerry is overrated imo

[vagrant cargo]

Eh jerry is rated properly imo

[vagrant cargo]

Charge is the word on da streets

[feral zodiac]

I don't see anyone overrate jerry

Tbh I don't see anything about jerry

[willow tartan]

realistically what team could use godsb

[feral zodiac]

I haven't watched June joust at all

[plush grail]

im37 and jerry, both overrated as fuck

[feral zodiac]

Except final

[next mesa]

isnt m1ka chinese

so it would still be like a mixed roster

[next mesa]

INTERESTING

[feral zodiac]

And in final I was like 'void is the best player in the league'

[willow tartan]

dont have to watch any OWL to know that

[next mesa]

would godsb to justice do anything theyre just gonna play decay anyways

[plush grail]

i legit only watched the final too because the meta during june joust sucked ass

[next mesa]

if theyre not dumb

[feral zodiac]

Ye

[plush grail]

i fucking hate the heal spam semi goats

[feral zodiac]

May melee meta was really fun

[vagrant cargo]

Godsb justuce or godsb boston

Would be great

[plush grail]

june joust banned most of the fun heroes

[feral zodiac]

Ye

[plush grail]

i usually watched every game on the weekends

[next mesa]

neo goats was nice no cap

[plush grail]

but june joust i only watched the paris games

[paper trail]

I didnt find echo that fun to watch

[next mesa]

dont @ me

[plush grail]

shut the fuck up levy

[feral zodiac]

Might watch summer showdown tho

I think that'll be really close

[plush grail]

no hero bans is pog

[feral zodiac]

Or it'll be dallas and shanghai stonks going even higher

[next mesa]

contender meta is so fuckin weird rn

ngl

some dogshit chinese team ran like winston rein yesterday on nepal they got shat on

[feral zodiac]

I remember ppl on twitter malding that shock didn't deserve s3 champions lmao

[willow tartan]

im thinking hard right now

what team would want godsb

[feral zodiac]

Cause contenders coaches are mostly complete ass

[vagrant cargo]

Boston

Hes a definite upgrade over im37

[willow tartan]

yeah but boston is doo doo do you really think they're gonna sign godsb

[vagrant cargo]

Boston aint doo doo

They are good

High B

[feral zodiac]

High B with hero bans

C without

[tight vault]

[vagrant cargo]

Without they still had to play punk lol

[worn falcon]

When closes the trade window?

[feral zodiac]

When ur mom

[noble nexus]

LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL

[willow tartan]

the roster limit is 12 right?

fkn why does hzs and cdh have so many players

[raw ermine]

it is 12

chinese org money

[sullen berry]

And by bad Chinese team, you mean one from last night in Contenders?

All contenders seems to benefit is the Tier 1 orgs scouting for new metas and Overwatch esports having something to watch during OWL off days and weeks at a given time

[tawdry hamlet]

Godsb to become another random asian piece of Vancouver like changsik and teru bet

But no I have no idea where he'd go

[raw ermine]

teru godsb isn't bad

[tawdry hamlet]

Changsik Frdwnr Godsb Teru would actually be a decent core if not for the support line

Frdwnr is actually better than he gets credit for I think but I'm not actually sure since looking good on a dogshit team is probably easier

By better than he gets credit for I think I just mean he's not the worst person on the roster

Honestly shit even Linkzr Dalton teru changsik frd isn't the worst thing they just need real supports so badly

[mortal abyss]

https://twitter.com/overwatchleague/status/1407413578768916480?s=21

Overwatch League (@overwatchleague)

Party on the objective 🐸

$500 cash prize? Fancy Lucio statue? Make sure to lock in your #OWL2021 Summer Showdown Pick'Ems for the chance to win some epic prizes!

✔️ https://t.co/1llP4REioK

Twitter · Jun 22, 2021, 7:02 PM

we gonna get a lucio skin

[balmy wolf]

fuck

no hanzo

i hate life

[balmy wolf]

https://twitter.com/Spex_J/status/1407417914039406593

Jon Spector (@Spex_J)

As just general life guidance, I’d advise caution about assuming you’ve found a generally-applicable rule when you have only two data points.

Also good luck on your Pick Ems this time. May the rng be forever in your favor. https://t.co/DtUhezo44O

Twitter · Jun 22, 2021, 7:19 PM

nvmd hanzo still in les gooo

[trail perch]

Damn the mods do need alot of channels

Especially my fav "gay hideaway"

[willow tartan]

L no lucio skin

[balmy wolf]

no

thats a W

[willow tartan]

yes please be a hero that i play 🙏

idk how u guys manage to play lucio bro

[tropic herald]

Better discord is against tos and you just showed me that you aren’t following tos :p

[balmy wolf]

oh no

he dead

[tropic herald]

I can look away once but consider this a warning for next time

[willow tartan]

Can you prove that he is using better discord and it wasn't just modifications to the image?

[tropic herald]

Seeing hidden channels is a perk of third party apps like better discord and they just posted a SS of hidden channels

Anyways Guangzhou charge maybe competitive now

[trail perch]

Shhhhhhhhhhhhhh no one needs to know

Also hear me out

what if

A major org

Like TSM or smth

Buys an OW team

Hires Runner and FlowerVein

[balmy wolf]

why waste money

[trail perch]

And makes A full runaway team

With excusivly ex runaway players

[tropic herald]

Busan Waves

[trail perch]

Or that

Imagine

Jjangu, Edison, profit, fielder

[tropic herald]

Mag QoQ Assassin Mer1t Yaki Twilight GangNamJin Slime LeeJaeGon

Unfortunately RunAway hasn’t had any insane off tanks

[trail perch]

Jjanu

[tropic herald]

Ehhhhh

He was a dva otp

[trail perch]

Seominsoo for zarya

or bumper for zarya

[tropic herald]

Man there’s some teams out there that would have good alumni teams

[trail perch]

Honestly C9

[tropic herald]

KDP, GC Busan, Element Mystic, RunAway, CC

[trail perch]

Can go for a mixed roster of c9 kongdoo and bh

[next mesa]

Jjanu was real nice

[trail perch]

or just c9 kongdoo

[next mesa]

dont disrespect my boy jjanu

[tropic herald]

Tbh who from bh replaces anyone on kongdoo

[trail perch]

No one

[next mesa]

why have mer1t assassin when u have haksal heesu yaki

[trail perch]

Maybe skairippa over wakawaka

[next mesa]

wait

Mag Jjanu Heesu Haksal Yaki Twilight Leejaegon all time runaway roster

I think

[trail perch]

Honestly yeah

[next mesa]

anyways yes TSM buy owl spot u bitch

dpei is on platchat rn

[trail perch]

Out of just respect someone should drop 50m to create Runaway owl team

do what vanc couldnt

[next mesa]

fr

vancouvers little bitches

I hope they stay bottom fragging for the rest of fucking history

eat shit

Busan Runaway bitch

cmon

lets go

[trail perch]

Can the city of busan buy an owl team?

Like they did with GC Busan and Wave

[mortal abyss]

https://twitter.com/IGN/status/1407352941804130304?s=20

IGN (@IGN)

Activision-Blizzard shareholders have just barely approved the company's controversial executive compensation plan, which will pay CEO Bobby Kotick’s $154.6 million. https://t.co/VEGMxH63wt

Likes

683

Twitter · Jun 22, 2021, 3:01 PM

[trail perch]

why :(

[noble nexus]

[plush grail]

??????

155 million

But some owl teams can't afford 50k contracts??

[mortal abyss]

Imagine if they used that money on OWL /CDL

[noble nexus]

Valiant are paying their players like 2k but this mf gets 155 mil

[mortal abyss]

tbf owl teams are not part of blizzard, they're owned by separate orgs

[plush grail]

Why is a CEO making so much during a pandemic

Fucking cut your own pay

Keep your company afloat

[humble yarrow]

Are there gonna be hero bans for the summer showdown

[mortal abyss]

nosir

[next mesa]

the CEO that sits on his fat fucking ass the whole day

lol

gg

[barren quest]

American corporation moment

[raw ermine]

Remove American from that

[plush grail]

It'd be american if blizzard started looking for oil

[tropic herald]

https://twitter.com/outlaws/status/1407368012882235392?s=21

Houston Outlaws (@Outlaws)

Might mess around and...

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create a new esports team.

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Relating back to this

Would be super easy to sign up all AT and get control over contracts of multiple talented players that are going to be hot coming into the off season

Looking at you Oulaws manager (this would be easy money)

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean that is true, but being realistic how many north American free agents got picked up last season besides Nero Crimzo and Joobi, I suspect this off season they'll just go stack up on more random apac talent

[tropic herald]

Bro if teams don’t pick up players like Ojee and Ultraviolet

They are actively throwing

[hot onyx]

You’re forgetting the mighty talented FRDWNR and Fire getting picked up

Oh yeah and that “Moth” kid on the Glads

[tawdry hamlet]

Speedily, hydron, wub, aspire, ojee, ultraviolet, there are many worthwhile na t2 players, just no orgs who want to spend money on na talent

[tropic herald]

The issue there is you have named 6 people and 4 are underage

[willow tartan]

houston 2?...

[hot onyx]

Because there is none and all those players are washed up/generally bad

[tropic herald]

/s

[tawdry hamlet]

I forgive them for not getting any last off season since na hadn't fully leveled up yet but now like

[willow tartan]

whats wrong with signing korean/chinese players

[hot onyx]

Undead

[tropic herald]

Nothings wrong with that

But bro a team signed Kaylee Mandu and JiHun

[tawdry hamlet]

Nothing, it's just there's actual talent in na now is all

Mandu is better than kariv tbh

[tropic herald]

And a team signed FRD over Cucumber

[hot onyx]

And Rio