esports-discussion

[raw ermine]

cash money. ain't nothing funny

[feral zodiac]

Man could buy like

21 mars bars with that

[willow tartan]

who that

[feral zodiac]

Younger brother of 50 cent

[next mesa]

agape

[willow tartan]

what did he win

that gave $21

[feral zodiac]

S1

[willow tartan]

there has to be one win

[feral zodiac]

Ez

Players got like 1 mil

[willow tartan]

he got paid 21 dollars?

[feral zodiac]

Agape got $21

[willow tartan]

of the prize money

lol

maybe one of the players bought him lunch

and then that is counted

i wonder which coach has got the most prize money though

[feral zodiac]

Crusty

[raw ermine]

crusty doesn't even have a prediction

[next mesa]

the team diff is actually so real

holy shit

kraandop and lucer

[raw ermine]

only casores and crusty remain

[worn falcon]

Put harsha with Shock

or Wizardhyeong

[next mesa]

wizardhyeong is bad

overrated clap clap clap clap clap

[worn falcon]

heck you levy

[raw ermine]

typical genius+crusty 2 strong

[sullen berry]

Clash of the fattest dps rein

This might be the first game I've watched proper from Asking in Contenders, before this it was random clips and reddit pksgs

[next mesa]

i swear

kraandop and lucer

are so fucking bad

i swear to god

holy shit

the diff is so real

[sullen berry]

Asking and Hybrid hanzo narrative is the only thing I'm watching for

The tank diff is whacked out

I thought this was close

[next mesa]

nkz is really good

but kraandop or whatever is an absolute feeder dude

[sour marlin]

Hi ppl who wanna talk

[toxic perch]

depends on what

[next mesa]

dolla is so good

[mortal abyss]

Agape gone

[feral zodiac]

Wym good

[mortal abyss]

He isn’t a good coach

Oh

Apparently he left due to family issues

[raw ermine]

yeah

[hollow river]

are there hero bans in contenders ?

[mortal abyss]

No

Don’t believe so

[willow tartan]

nope

[slow lodge]

When do pickems for the summer showdown unlock?

[earnest leaf]

my guess would be sometime in the middle of next week?

[slow lodge]

[cursive glen]

and this is why yzn is never gonna be a successful pro player

[earnest leaf]

he's a pharah otp with mediocre picks outside of her?

[cursive glen]

exactly

• hes a solo q player

pro players know how to shutdown phara with good teamplay

he wants his entire team to build entirely around him

[hollow river]

he got focused by the whole team lol

[earnest leaf]

People see good otps and think they are automatically owl level

[hollow river]

ranked and owl are very different

[cursive glen]

most flex dps in owl can do the same shit on phara without getting 5 pocket picks for them and they can actually play other stuff as well

[hollow river]

and i dont think that pharah is reliable

i'll choose a good echo every day of the week

[barren quest]

Reverse sweep pog

[willow tartan]

poggies.

[worn falcon]

You know who is owl level? Asking

And freefeel

[earnest leaf]

asking never getting into owl

[worn falcon]

He can be benched and then retire like 1 week done

[tropic herald]

No team is picking up asking

Also

https://twitter.com/jonoverwatc/status/1406006678865207305?s=19

Jøn (@jonoverwatc)

12 MAPS AND WE COME OUT ON TOP

WE ARE YOUR EU CONTENDERS CHAMPS FOR THIS MONTH

GGs @SheerColdGG, and maybe should have Transitioned the game plan yeah @FalconsEsport?🏳️‍⚧️

Twitter · Jun 18, 2021, 9:51 PM

LOL

[tawdry hamlet]

The question is helv>Hadi

Letsgooo

God coach

Finnsi is a contenders champ too

Good all around

[feral zodiac]

If asking was younger maybe

[lilac cobalt]

not really discussion but a question, can you get league tokens through watching on twitch or only on the website

[feral zodiac]

It isn't on twitch

Only youtube or website with account linked

[tawdry hamlet]

That reverse sweep is such poetic justice I am very happy with result

[jovial oasis]

Who won the June joust?

[feral zodiac]

Shanghai

[jovial oasis]

Not Atlanta damn

[tawdry hamlet]

na finals time lets gooo

[hollow river]

no way falcons lost that

they were so close

plus that yznsa move just wasn't right

unlucky

[vagrant cargo]

Lol

[tawdry hamlet]

Odyssey way too good at rush

[hot onyx]

Hot take but Aspen is pretty much the Space of contenders main supports

[feral zodiac]

Overrated because NA?

[hot onyx]

And I don’t think there would be as much advocation for her to be in the league if she was male

Which is wrong

[tawdry hamlet]

she already had a big twitch following pre t2 iirc

[feral zodiac]

If she deserves to get in she'll get in

[hot onyx]

Since gender shouldn’t play a part in something like that

No I’m not saying she’s less deserving

[tawdry hamlet]

Be wild if darkmode upset and her and finnsi can be champs at the same time

[hot onyx]

I’m saying there wouldn’t be as many people pushing for her to be in the league and rating her higher

Especially now since Geguri is teamless

[feral zodiac]

Oh ye I can see that

I've seen people use gender as a reason for her to be in the league

[hot onyx]

Which is bs

If you’re owl worthy you get signed by a team, if you’re not then accept it

Which tbh

[tepid ibex]

people just want female representation (players) in the leauge ig, since geguri is no longer in

[hot onyx]

She’d be a huge upgrade to Kellex imo

Typically with the whole representation arguement it’s more a case of who the team wants and how much of a title contender said team wants to be

For example if Glads dropped Moth for Aspen for the representation it would be suicide

[feral zodiac]

Roolf is literally in the league

[hot onyx]

On a team that is so broke they had to sign a main tank who hadn’t played professionally in two years

[feral zodiac]

Lmao

[hot onyx]

Because nobody else was willing to stoop themselves to that point of zero dignity and payment

[tepid ibex]

didnt they try out other mt's, changsik just did better?

[willow tartan]

at least it isnt the team that signed an off tank to play main support

[hot onyx]

I wouldn’t trust any pickups the Titans make on the basis of them being “good players” since they literally have a support line of Fire and Roolf

[willow tartan]

yea

worst support lineup in the league

[tepid ibex]

no teru slander here

[tawdry hamlet]

You guys hyped for odyssey vs American Tornado rematch number 8483929

[hot onyx]

True, I wish they’d have Mandu play ot again instead of that Cr0ng kid

[willow tartan]

?

[hot onyx]

Meming

[tawdry hamlet]

Ah yes meming my favorite apac player

[hot onyx]

Luigi’s favourite Korean player is EQO

[willow tartan]

feels like all the females dont want to play lol

[tepid ibex]

wonder why

toxic community which many in said community hate women go brrr

[willow tartan]

idk it feels like most of the good female players just retire

there's like two left in contenders i think?

[tawdry hamlet]

One

[earnest leaf]

I mean if you look as Aspen's placements in contenders, it's never been good

but then again it's MS

[willow tartan]

idk im not very educated on it

[earnest leaf]

Her best placements were in OD or community tourneys

But I don't watch contenders so idk how good she actually is

[willow tartan]

i watch a bit

[tawdry hamlet]

She was always on lower end rosters hence why she's suddenly jumped up now that she is on darkmode

[willow tartan]

i mean in contenders isnt it more based on individual skill anyway

there's a lot of just straight up diffs in contendies

[tawdry hamlet]

Like most of the players on the teams she's been on have seen success like exorath and finnsi and king just never saw the success together I guess

[willow tartan]

is she the only starter female player?

i swear all the other contenders ones are perma benched

[feral zodiac]

Who

[willow tartan]

well like the other being less than 5 prolly

[willow tartan]

highbee :)

[feral zodiac]

Yo I forgot about him

[willow tartan]

at least its not fire

[next mesa]

Aspen will probably not make owl

Some fanboys saying "omg rank1 owl teams so stupid not signing you" like what in the FUCK LMAO

[thin relic]

aspen is decent

[devout path]

i want aspen in but i dont think shes good enough yet

[thin relic]

main support is the hardest position to judge

but her mechanics are good and she's supposedly a really vocal igl

[tawdry hamlet]

It's just people being nice, nobody is going to comment on a contenders "yeah you're not good enough you're bad" they're gonna hype them up lol

[thin relic]

we just haven't really seen her on a rlly good team

and this darkmode roster doesn't count

[tawdry hamlet]

Like when finnsi called her the best na main support and people were saying he's dumb like bro that is his girlfriend he's not going to not hype her up lmao

[thin relic]

i think you could maybe make the argument she's the 2nd best?

if you really wanted to

bc its

1. ojee
2. everyone else

[willow tartan]

aside from the winless teams, who would aspen be an upgrade over zzz

[willow tartan]

yes, you only shit on the players after they make owl

[next mesa]

Ojee is barely gonna be an upgrade

Kellex

Fire

Who else

Valiant doesn't count obviously

[thin relic]

ojee would be an upgrade over many main supports

ojee would be an upgrade over massa, maybe even faith if boston wants to stay mixed

he's really good

[forest raven]

I feel like Ojee's been in the scene since like 2018

[thin relic]

he has been

and he's been winning since 2018

could he have that problem where he flops when he gets to owl like whoru or smth?

maybe

[willow tartan]

not this time (if genji ever becomes meta)

[thin relic]

i meant the first time

[raw ermine]

when you're birdring

[thin relic]

hey tornado, why would you take odyssey to a double shield map

[slow lodge]

So like...

what is Taiyo's role on Shock

[raw ermine]

crusty's project

/backup to striker/glister if things really start to suck

[willow tartan]

his role is to teach the gang japanese

[noble nexus]

He’s just the Japanese guy that hangs out with them

[vagrant cargo]

Faith>>ojee

[thin relic]

i agree but i dont think the gap is large at all

[chilly jolt]

this is a hot take but i think if it wasn't for hero pools then i don't think dallas would've been as dominant as they were

i think the fact that the removal of some heroes took too many players out of the equation that usually dominate or carry and it forced the winston dva dive that we saw game after game

dallas on the dive como is really good but i think when/if they anything else they struggle

[devout path]

no

dallas would still be dominant

[earnest leaf]

this hero pool hurt dallas if anything

losing tracer/sombra hit them hard

[chilly jolt]

holy shite did anyone watch the contenders finals

[tropic herald]

This pool really helped their comp though

Sombra would’ve hard denied it

[forest raven]

@tropic herald I might buy a shanghai skin or two

[tropic herald]

Good

Buy dva

[barren quest]

Already have Dragons Lucio 👍

[chilly jolt]

are they going to have a new hero pool for the summer showdown or no

[next mesa]

No pools

[chilly jolt]

oh ok cool

[next mesa]

yeah that's better

[trail perch]

Guangzhou should sign diya

Idk it just clicked in my head

[toxic perch]

Metas been getting dry recently, looks like we needed some Rein

(haha, get it..)

[tawdry hamlet]

Chengdu should have signed diya

could you imagine a diya leave dps line with gaga at main tank and that stacked support line?

they would be nuts

Diya has a high A to S tier tracer ashe widow and cree

fucking nuts that man

but yeah I do agree eileen diya choisehwan would be a fucking stacked dps line

tbh Seominsoo Architect GodsB Shy isn't a bad dps line on its own, they just need a star player to help architect and shy

[toxic perch]

But why have both Choisehwan and Diya

[toxic perch]

GodsB is impressive with a pocket seems like he likes to play aggressive

[tardy quail]

I heard SF Shock is gonna try Goblin comp next game

[balmy wolf]

haha funny joke brrrr

[willow tartan]

so gamers what are your summer showdown preds

[balmy wolf]

atlanta wins

rest whatever

[toxic perch]

a little early for that but I think Shock and Dallas are hungry for a win

[feral zodiac]

Mayhem or fusion

[toxic perch]

more focus on tracer and maybe back to rush

[feral zodiac]

I think something is building with mayhem

[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/haloofthoughts/status/1406109119879262209?s=21

Arran “Halo” Spake (@haloofthoughts)

Update: Multiple sources confirm that The Chengdu Hunters are expected to announce the release of Lateyoung from their roster https://t.co/YGkFsXf7gL

Likes

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Twitter · Jun 19, 2021, 4:38 AM

[toxic perch]

:(

[mortal abyss]

oof

[trail perch]

Hitscan vs FDPS?

[tight hill]

https://twitter.com/Spitfire/status/1406269698870710277

London Spitfire (@Spitfire)

As announced in our Sitrep, we're thrilled to welcome in @Coach_Spilo as our new Assistant Coach!

This is absolutely mega - we can't wait to work together 💪 https://t.co/tjZdKL6d9u

Twitter · Jun 19, 2021, 3:16 PM

[mortal abyss]

good pickup

[tight hill]

Yeah fr

[balmy wolf]

^london best team now

[raw ermine]

spilo? really?

dude retired, and then came back to be a half retired coach, only to join OWL

whoa

[devout path]

Lol

[tight hill]

They were considering adding Fredo, but thought against it

[devout path]

Who has spilo coached on before

[tight hill]

I think he was an analyst for multiple teams

[mortal abyss]

he was on ex oblivione iirc

[balmy wolf]

london gonna get the first win soon

[tight hill]

SPARKR

[devout path]

Everyone say happy birthday to beast

[raw ermine]

and apply

[devout path]

No

Beast

[amber hare]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJdjqFIf3S4&t=3s

rly good channel

[hot onyx]

Can Defiant just trade Aztac to the Justice if they’re not gonna use his raw skill?

[tight hill]

Lmao

[hot onyx]

Like yeah, Lastro is the funny “intercourse, large male genitalia” guy but he’s been underperforming massively

[turbid cargo]

When will the pickems from the summer showdown be avalible?

[hot onyx]

In 4

[tight hill]

Lastro is probably a product of his team around him at this point

They all should be better honestly

[hot onyx]

Yeah

The only one who has performed consistently is Heesu imo

Other than when he was stunned out of his EMP twice vs Justice

[tight hill]

KDG is not doing that well either honestly especially when it comes to lastro

Lastro has tended to get the short end of the stick on some his strategies

I think back to the Baptiste comps in May Melee

[hot onyx]

True

As Avast put it, Lastro played bap in sort of an “ooga booga” caveman style

[feral zodiac]

Toronto have all the pieces but they're not meshing

[plush grail]

it's sad

seeing some talent like heesu and sado rotting away on toronto

[plush grail]

i love this

[hot onyx]

I loved it more when your mother gave me regular last night

[plush grail]

imagine being a owl player and u get told u play like a caveman

[plush grail]

is empathy my mom

[trail perch]

IS THAT JOSUKE?

From part 8

Or am I blind

[hot onyx]

Could be

[plush grail]

it's rohan

[plush grail]

u talk like a caveman

[hot onyx]

u smell like a caveman who rolled around in the zoos gorilla exhibit’s bathroom corner

[plush grail]

xqc?

[hot onyx]

xqC deez nuts slapping Joe Fathers face

[plush grail]

this is why people dont like talking to u

[tawdry hamlet]

999988989898

[hot onyx]

At least I shower more than once a century

Can smell you through the screen

Smelly

Just like your gamesense

[tawdry hamlet]

ok, so London coaching staff upgrade

and sparkr

hybrid back in contenders winning games down there

I smell a London Victory in their next game

[plush grail]

shut the fuck up

they face paris

to be fair london is improving but still

paris managed to beat boston after 1 scrimblock with a new off-tank

[trail perch]

Overhyped

[tawdry hamlet]

well when your bar is hybrid

the hype machine will know no bounds

since literally a potato with arms would get more value

[hot onyx]

I could get more value and I don’t play hs

Hell, my sister who played the game once as widow and preferred using the rapid fire over the sniping could get more value than Hybrid

[next mesa]

widow 76

[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/1999_11_05_/status/1406264050238078984

DPI_OW (@1999_11_05_)

LFT OWL / Contenders / Academy

Read: https://t.co/Li8c7QyvU5

Twitter · Jun 19, 2021, 2:54 PM

DPI is back, 2nd retirement done

[tawdry hamlet]

Kind of funny he started his career as a hitscan in low sense and ended it as an off tank on 16000 edpi

[next mesa]

who

[tawdry hamlet]

2019 mayhem off tank iirc

[hot onyx]

Missread the name as “DPEI” and thought the Glads were finally going to get a coach that doesn’t suck smegma coated ass

[mortal abyss]

Hybrid was popping in contenders tbf

He got kinda doffed by shockwave on widow tho

[next mesa]

and diffed by asking

dont even lie

[bronze turtle]

so did kevster just reveal his face or was it already known

and why didn't he do it ealier?

[next mesa]

marketing

he just did it a fe days ago

[bronze turtle]

ahh

I always just seemed weird cause it never felt professional to me

[tawdry hamlet]

Hybrid was popping in Eu contenders against Grathen but the other games looked like the rest of his team was mostly making up for him as we saw against like shockwave and asking

God I can't believe funi did so bad lmao

Not that it matters since realistically hybrid or sparkr London isn't going to be strong enough with that core of Hadi molf kellex Ripa

[mortal abyss]

Jkaru limited funi so bad

And also going from astro to kruise is a gargantuan downgrade

[tawdry hamlet]

Jkaru is in fact a monke one trick in the region that does not play monkey very much

[mortal abyss]

Yep

His ball is decent

His orisa is eh

But his rein is not very good

And not having a good rein in eu is a death sentence

A lot of the time it felt like he just refused to swap off monkey

[tawdry hamlet]

God it's so crazy how t2 rein can improve stonks on people so much like helv and cloudy both look nutty but then you look again and it's like, oh they just rein players loll

Tbh rein as a whole just makes people look really good for some reason, like jjangu for example

[earnest leaf]

he's one of the few tanks that can look impressive

And is much easier to see who is good or not on them

[tawdry hamlet]

I guess that is true, since rein and monkey are the tanks you see the true like decision and skill in vs orisa ball where you sort of just do your job I think. Ball it depends on meta whether or not he's flashy or just feeding I think

Like fate didn't look flashy in neo goats but he was getting value on ball but you can look at fearless monkey and just like know that he's good with the ball you have to look a little harder

[chilly jolt]

wtf is goblin como

comp*

[tardy quail]

GOBLIN DEEZ NUTS

[chilly jolt]

NOOO WAAYYYYYY

[noble nexus]

waited 9 hours for that

must suck to be you

[balmy wolf]

he wanted to fall for that

[chilly jolt]

congratulations you are the first person to ever actually get me with a deez nuts joke in my entire life

[balmy wolf]

literally scrolled all the way up

[chilly jolt]

no no truthfully i actually thought it was a real thing

[tardy quail]

[chilly jolt]

yeah i know i was catching up on what i missed

[tardy quail]

ik

worth

[noble nexus]

eh

doubt it

[chilly jolt]

i literally looked up what a goblin comp is and got nothing

i was seeing stuff for WOW 😭😭

[tardy quail]

Im off skl

i have nothing better to do

[toxic perch]

JJANGU bad?

[tawdry hamlet]

no he is good but I meant like him coming out into the season on rein made him look top tier amazing when he is more likely just mid to high A tier

[toxic perch]

high A tier checks out

Him and Piggy were nice additions

entire Outlaws are performing but they do really well

It’s just crazy

compared to previous seasons

so many teams are performing well

even most that don’t hold real potential

anyone could take playoffs on a good day

[tawdry hamlet]

skill level has definitely gone up, a year ago this month people like paintbrush and mcgravy were still in owl yet it feels like that was so long ago

[toxic perch]

Im just so excited

teams caught up to shock and dragons

and this season delivered a lot already and we're just halfway in

West Top 7 is stacked

Toronto and Boston just need to figure it out and they could place anywhere

[earnest leaf]

I really hope outlaws don't play main tank/support roulette

Jjanggu looked very solid on the heroes he played

And swapping joobi in and out is only gonna make things worse

[toxic perch]

JJANGU for Rein mby Orisa

Dreamer on Winston

apparently

[earnest leaf]

it seems they want dreamer full time besides rein

[tawdry hamlet]

yeah joobi is not the most flexible of people

they play jake on da brig and even did jake mercy at some point

[feral zodiac]

Why have dreamer full time, jjangu was synergising well with piggy

[toxic perch]

full time for winston

[willow tartan]

because better player

put dem on the right hero

[hot onyx]

Guys

I’ve got a hot take

Some of y’all might not like it but since I’m a regular now I’m entitled to an opinion

[next mesa]

Ok hot shot

[noble nexus]

Ok big guy

[hot onyx]

inhales

exhales

Decay > Dalton

[next mesa]

Ok

That's a cold cake

[hot onyx]

Oh

Alright at least I have regular

😎

[earnest leaf]

I have a semi hot take

[noble nexus]

proud of you bro

[earnest leaf]

all of apac besides shd would be mid tier or lower in NA

[noble nexus]

ehhh

[earnest leaf]

some might peak up a bit higher to around 5th maybe but most would stay mid tier

then valiant dead last

[noble nexus]

idk I think sometimes apac play quite well

[earnest leaf]

No team in apac has been consistent

besides shd

[noble nexus]

sometimes they'll peak higher than mid

but they're all kinda ass rn

[earnest leaf]

I think apac is a bunch of atlantas

Teams that can 100% be good, but fall in and out too often

[worn falcon]

Or trade JJANGU to another team

Then see the fall of Outluls

[earnest leaf]

fucking jjanggu has looked good

outlaws coaching on some other shit

[hot onyx]

The Philadelphia Fusion and the Hangzhou Spark (once they field LiGe MIKA and Cold1st) would like to know your location

[earnest leaf]

Spark lost to fucking nyxl

philly fumbled and dropped a map vs valiant to get kicked out of qualifiers, and also went like 2-2

[hot onyx]

(once they field LiGe MIKA and Cold1st)

Yeah Philly dropped a map to the Valiant

[earnest leaf]

just need the right roster

[hot onyx]

And everyone is making a big deal of it because it “knocked them out of the qualifiers”

[earnest leaf]

people make a big deal because it's valiant

[hot onyx]

Mayhem lost a map to the Titans

[earnest leaf]

their roster would get shit on by any t2 team

[hot onyx]

Defiant lost a map to the Titans

[earnest leaf]

and probably some t3 teams

I think titans are better than valiant

[hot onyx]

Boston got taken to map 5 by the Spitfire

[earnest leaf]

well boston was dogshit then too tbf

[hot onyx]

Chengdu lost a map to the Titans

Defiant lost a map to the Spitfire

[earnest leaf]

i understand other teams have lost maps to bad teams

[hot onyx]

Just because a team is weaker doesn’t mean they are incapable of taking an upset map or two

[earnest leaf]

But philly on paper should never drop a map to valiant

philly has a roster that should be top3 in apac at all times

[hot onyx]

Neither should Chengdu

So does Chengdu

[earnest leaf]

yea they're inconsistent too

didn't they just go 1-3?

[hot onyx]

Yeah ignore that

Kaneki

With Kaneki doing what he’s meant to do: use his ass as a heat pad for the bench, they’re a good team

Also friendly reminder that Fusion aren’t even at full strength yet

[earnest leaf]

they are only missing two players atm

[hot onyx]

They were missing 4 at the time they lost to NYXL and Chengdu

Missing 3 when they lost a map to Valiant

[earnest leaf]

that roster still was not bad

[hot onyx]

Never said it was

It’s at least 3rd/4th apac minimum

If NineK can talk some sense into Hotba and Mano to get them playing in the right tempo again then there’s no doubt that Carpe Rascal FunnyAstro and Alarm are good enough to take them to the top 2

Maybe even 1st if they get a meta that suits them better than Dragons

[next mesa]

that team on paper is as good as dragons

[hot onyx]

Dragons has Void

Fusion has Hotba

I know I said a bunch of stoner babble about “NineK is gonna transform Hotba from coal into a diamond” before the season started but come on

Better than Void?

Only ots in the conversation for being better than Void are Hanbin and Choi

But other than that I agree

Carpe Rascal = Lip Fleta

[earnest leaf]

Also alarm>izayaki

[hot onyx]

FunnyAstro Alarm > FeedJaeGon Izayaki

Mano = Fate

[earnest leaf]

carpe is the mano of dps

[next mesa]

yeah theres only a ot gap

[earnest leaf]

or hitscan I should say

[next mesa]

and like its not even that big if u look at the whole tankline

[hot onyx]

Idk if that’s a compliment

[earnest leaf]

It is

Both are very strong on every hero they need to play within their role

[hot onyx]

Except hanzo

[earnest leaf]

carpe's job is hitscan

[hot onyx]

Fuck Carpe hanzo, all my homies hate Carpe hanzo

This message was brought to you by Ivy hanzo gang

I miss him

I know it’s greedy to want a team with Ivy Rascal and EQO but that doesn’t mean I can’t

[hot onyx]

I thought hanzo fell under the hitscan category since a ton of hitscans play him

Happy

Kai

sHockWave

Lip

Glister

Decay

Dalton

Onigod

Krystal

Birdring

[next mesa]

well he's technically nto a hitsan but a lot of people play him

wow u forgot fits

ok buddy calm down

[tawdry hamlet]

[hot onyx]

Never saw Fits play hanzo, pretty sure it was Profit that filled that role

[next mesa]

wtf

he killed it on the hanzo

kings row

grand finals

wait not kings row i dont think

like when profit was on ashe

[hot onyx]

I swear it was Profit hanzo Fits ashe

[next mesa]

some maps it was like that

Profits just be weird like that

[hot onyx]

Saw Profit playing ashe but Fits on sombra

No Fits hanzo though

[forest raven]

Ans

[next mesa]

i swear fits was on hanzo like decent amount though maybe it wasnt in grand finals

[forest raven]

[next mesa]

🥲

[next mesa]

another one

this was like the semi finals though

[hot onyx]

This is the Overwatch eSports discussion channel Levy, not the Super Mario speedrun channel

[worn falcon]

🐟 is still top DPS

[hot onyx]

Bass’d

[raw ermine]

fischer?

[trail perch]

Choi is not up there

Im sorry

I love Choi

Hes one of the GOATS

But no

He's A tier

Maybe low S

Not competitive for the best OT

[raw ermine]

Void, hanbin, Fury, and maybe piggy/gargoyle

[next mesa]

ur really gonna put piggy in there

and gargoyle

[raw ermine]

hey

[next mesa]

honestly void and no one comes that close

[raw ermine]

I maybe'd them

[next mesa]

okay true

[raw ermine]

agree with void 1st tho

[next mesa]

Hanbin has a worse dva and fury has a worse sig than void

although hanbin's dva has been better than I thought

[tropic herald]

void = hanbin > fury = gargoyle > rest dont matter that much

[next mesa]

i really dont think gargoyle is comparable to fury but the rest i agree

except void > hanbin

[tropic herald]

void best overall off tank but if i knew the meta was gonna be hard dva id pick up hanbin

his dva is simply the fearless winston

[forest raven]

Choi

[next mesa]

im gonna say it choi > gargoyle

[forest raven]

Is choi rated so low rn it's a hot take to say that?

[earnest leaf]

Tis recency bias

[next mesa]

indeed

[earnest leaf]

shock not rolling every tourney? nah we all forget about their players

[next mesa]

rating piggy above choi bro?

cmon

[earnest leaf]

piggy is good

but not better than choi

[forest raven]

Mfers gonna start saying Hawk's a better ot than choi because shock lost to atlanta

[earnest leaf]

And I think choi is also better than fury and gargoyle

choi still top 3 ot

[next mesa]

I thought dva was hanbin's weakest ot

[earnest leaf]

Thing is though, most OTs are either really solid at dva, or really solid at sig

the Great ones are really good on both

Like void/hanbin/choi

fury? really good dva, not anything special at sig

Gargoyle? really good at sig, nothing special on dva

[next mesa]

last year's summer showdown convinced me that fury got a nice sig doe

maybe thats just me

[raw ermine]

people always said "fury has better sig than poko" even tho I thought poko did and I said "ok"

[earnest leaf]

Poko iirc had a pretty good sig

[raw ermine]

in s2 he popped

[earnest leaf]

I think poko is around A tier or so ot wise

[tropic herald]

choi been overrated forever

o7 just here to do my duty

[next mesa]

its hard to be underrated when uve been on the best team for 2 years

[earnest leaf]

best dva in goats and top2 ot all of last year

just how it be

Can say the same about fury

man popped in s1 and people act like it's the same league

But choi has been consistently putting out results

of course he's gonna be rated highly

But then people harp on his zarya and act like she's meta for more than two weeks at a time

[willow tartan]

zarynaaah

dva/sigma off tank gameplay is more interesting anyway

[earnest leaf]

tbh yea

[tawdry hamlet]

Hot take I know but players having a bad series shouldn't dictate the tier list of players who have shown how good they are up until like 2 bad games

[earnest leaf]

recency bias is omega prevalent when talking about owl

[tawdry hamlet]

Recency bias really pegging the shock at the moment

[earnest leaf]

people also just hate shock regardless

[tawdry hamlet]

Why hate shock for underperforming when you can hate philly for it

[earnest leaf]

cuz philly always does it

[tawdry hamlet]

Kind of funny how some players on that philly team once removed from Philly are kind of meh like sado

And Heesu

[earnest leaf]

people had a feeling sado was getting carried

But I think heesu is still really good

[tawdry hamlet]

Fury lowkey also looking a lot more inconsistent recently

But justice as a whole looked like shit their last series

[earnest leaf]

I think fury will go back to normal soon

[tawdry hamlet]

I hope that justice team get it together they have a nice roster

Jerry looks great so far

And the support line exceeded my expectations so far as well

I wonder why closer was benched in season 3 by paintbrush

[hot onyx]

I wonder why Bebe was benched for Cold1st

Oh wait he wasn’t

Why?

[worn falcon]

Ivy

i miss Ivy Mei

he was my go to after Rascal

[slow lodge]

[worldly flax]

wonder what meta will be played in the next owl tourney

hope they ban echo this time

[stuck radish]

no bans in the next one

[worldly flax]

fuck

[stuck radish]

im predicting winston dva sombra reaper lucio moira

standard sombra rush

[worldly flax]

ooh sombra

[stuck radish]

maybe reaper will be replaced with tracer

[worldly flax]

apac got nerfed hard when they banned sombra lol

[worldly flax]

lots of ball-tracer again?

[stuck radish]

its possible

ball dva tracer could become a thing again

[tawdry hamlet]

I see tracer dva and sombra as most likely to be played I think

Teams love their sombra comps recently

I've noticed pre tourney at least

Sombra and tracer help a lot at equalizing echo so I expect them

[stuck radish]

cant wait for dvas armor to be nerfed because of OWL pickrates and doomfist streamers

[feral zodiac]

Even the former philly coach has become bad which is weird

I wonder why the team did so well before

Kdg, that was the coach

[forest raven]

Astro seems like a team multiplier

[tawdry hamlet]

Hmm I think Astro has far more experience with dive comps and forcing them as he was on philly where as Kruise was more of a DS rush guy who is also far worse mechanically

Or astro shot called for them and they had to change or they just played like shit since jkaru without astro is like 100 to 0 real quick for some reason

His monke did not go very well once the top rush comps of eu t2 came out

I think they tried to pull a Washington justice and just force monkey dive on mechanical skill to make up for their lack of rush but with the kruise downgrade it didn't work out for them

rather would have seen sheer cold rematch in the finals though, falcons and their silly rush pharah thing isn't fun to watch for me anymore

[mortal abyss]

Ball comps are going to be way stronger with no bans

Same with double bubble

[earnest leaf]

We're gonna see rush/dive

Similar to may melee, just less rush in total

[tawdry hamlet]

https://twitter.com/InfektedOW/status/1406270480273874953?s=19

Boston Fine (@InfektedOW)

Learned this from @joemyster090 and @RedshellOW https://t.co/7ty1ODniEg

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Twitter · Jun 19, 2021, 3:19 PM

Open division wild n out

[little stirrup]

i'm exited for the gladiators vs the shock

[worldly flax]

are they gonna tbag moth again

oh my bad... "tactical crouching session"

[random laurel]

Who bets Kevster pops off now, that he is on low ping

Fun fact : Kevster, Kai & Decay all used the same sensitivity at one point

[toxic perch]

kevster has a crazy reputation

its hard to live up to that

[random laurel]

I hope he does well for the sake of EU

[toxic perch]

(super excited though)

GLA dps lineup all have one thing in common

they all show crazy promise to pop off

Birdring, for example, showed crazy feats last season

remember him carrying before passing out ?

[random laurel]

he is still their best player atm, isn't he ?

i remember him popping off in their recent tournament

[toxic perch]

best dps, yeah

either way Kevster Birdring duo is great

having Mirror in the back pocket is nice too

[random laurel]

I found out he was in USA before they announced it

because i was randomly checking ladder

and found he's name as rank 1 in NA ladder

[toxic perch]

check his face reveal its chill

[tawdry hamlet]

Holy fuck the ans vs taiyo game was a fat stomp
https://youtu.be/nLkO5EJBu0Y

I remember this it came up in my recommended again

[toxic perch]

super casting 🥴

to me Taiyo seems like a popularity pick

similar to Chipsa

if Shock lose finals he'll be moved to affiliate streamer, bet

[tawdry hamlet]

I miss ans he was built different

[toxic perch]

Ans probably best dps

[plush grail]

EU is being carried by astro, poko and shockwave rn

[toxic perch]

like ever

[plush grail]

Kevster is actually like b tier

[balmy wolf]

stop talking it hurts

[tawdry hamlet]

Funi lost astro and poko got gapped by finnsi loll

It was really weird to see

[willow tartan]

The meta in the Summer Showdown will be NA plays rush part 2

i can imagine some of the teams will be like "fk it, go back to may melee" during week 1

[fathom solar]

just realised you could get league points by connecting your account 😔

[earnest leaf]

Na likes rush the way apac loves dive

[balmy wolf]

lol you missed out on half of the season

[balmy wolf]

dive was stronger i guess we go back to it

[hot onyx]

EQO simp talking about the carries of EU while not mentioning EQO

[willow tartan]

i mean for like the summer showdown tourney itself

probably dive

[balmy wolf]

yeah

if we just could see genji man

just like last season

[hot onyx]

EQO vs Sp9rk1e genji meta Summer Showdown finals repeat

Pls production

[balmy wolf]

lol

as if

[willow tartan]

thats assuming philly qualifies.

[balmy wolf]

philly reaches finals

[willow tartan]

i think sombra will get playtime too

[balmy wolf]

zzzzzz

[willow tartan]

im like play sombra

[hot onyx]

Ah yes I forgot Dragons fans had this unified hive mind intelligence where they’ve been trained to kick Fusion fans when at rock bottom

[willow tartan]

no its just funny to poke fun at the fusion

[hot onyx]

Alright that’s true

True true

Yeah that’s true

That’s pretty true

[hot onyx]

At least Fusion has a top tier main support who doesn’t try playing at the frontline like a main tank

[toxic perch]

is that FDGod hate?

[hot onyx]

Directed at FeedJaeGon

[fair birch]

Unpopular opinion na1st is hot

[toxic perch]

oh

ye that was a tough game

tbh you should attribute that more to Fearless being insane

[willow tartan]

he lost like 3 beats lol

[toxic perch]

yeah but check why

[hot onyx]

Trade Tobi for Void?

[willow tartan]

the moment he started actually landing sound barriers is the moment shanghai started winning

[toxic perch]

its not that one dimensional

[willow tartan]

yes

but its still funny

[toxic perch]

oh for sure

you could make a drinking game out of finals and leejaegon in the killfeed

[noble nexus]

there is always gonna be something hilarious about LJG turbo inting towards a damage boosted Ans expecting to do something other than die lol

[tawdry hamlet]

Mmmm ans

My favorite hitscan

[noble nexus]

if ans had more than a season he'd probably have been the best hitscan ever

[tawdry hamlet]

Yeah if he was able to go this season and win something he would probably pass diem as the sniper goat

[noble nexus]

I don't even think that could be considered a hot take

he was developing so fast and was already probably the best hitscan in s3

[tawdry hamlet]

If naga isn't able to play echo I wonder if paris is overall far weaker

[toxic perch]

dont think we will ever have a second Ans

[noble nexus]

can paris get any weaker?

lmfao

[toxic perch]

they could start losing to Vancouver

[noble nexus]

oh shit that's a good point actually

[tawdry hamlet]

Hey they've beat some actual teams this season which is more than Vancouver or London can say and considering they're a budget roster from a weak region I'd say they are out doing expectations

[toxic perch]

Kaan has been getting some love from casters I guess

and Vestola could be promising

[noble nexus]

Kaan is pretty good

naga has been good on the echo

and daan is a feeder

all I care to know about paris

atleast they aren't just rush otps

[still solstice]

Can i buy OW with a blizzard card

[feral zodiac]

Depends how new players turn out in the future

Ans came from nowhere, could happen again

[hot onyx]

MN3

MN3

MN3 is literally Birdring 2.0

[toxic perch]

the circumstances around ANS were somewhat fortunate

Crusty had the idea to take raw mechanical talent and polish it into a dps legend

we'll have to see if things align this way again

[next mesa]

If MN3 gets signed to fucking dpei he won't become ans no offense

We only have like 5 good coaches in this league so

[feral zodiac]

How does dpei still have the job

[next mesa]

No idea it's like aero and Dallas lowkey

[feral zodiac]

He better be gone after this season unless glads really pull it together

[toxic perch]

maybe because there are like 5 good coaches >__<

[noble nexus]

dpei is the reason I struggle to sleep at night

[balmy wolf]

^lol

you guys hate him

[feral zodiac]

How long has dpei been with glads again

[noble nexus]

rightly so

like forever lol

[feral zodiac]

So I'll guess 3 years or so

[noble nexus]

yeah

[feral zodiac]

3 years, no trophies with a team as stacked as glads

[willow tartan]

just wait until the older players become coaches in 5 years

[feral zodiac]

:/

[toxic perch]

feel like Jake is doing stuff

[next mesa]

I mean

[toxic perch]

but its a little early to say

[next mesa]

Glads roster were never that stacked

This stacked

Season 1 they were like kinda stacked but the only reason was fischer

[toxic perch]

season 1 maybe

[feral zodiac]

this is a new level of stacked

[next mesa]

Nowhere as close as this season

[feral zodiac]

Current glads should easily be vying for tournaments on paper

[willow tartan]

theres plenty of teams that on paper should be tournament

but also

they cant perform for some reason

[noble nexus]

literally just dpei coaching lol

[feral zodiac]

Eh, there aren't many as stacked as glads on paper

I'd say the only ones more stacked on paper that are performing worse than expected are shock and fusion

[willow tartan]

washington

why they no tournament

[feral zodiac]

Support line

Was never gonna be a tournament

On paper washington supps lag far behind glads/fusion/shock

[noble nexus]

I was a massive closer bebe doubter but their supportline isn't doing that badly

[feral zodiac]

Not badly but they're still the weak link

[willow tartan]

summer showdown, dragons, dallas, shock, fusion. i believe

real tournament pls

[noble nexus]

they just didn't play decay

no decay no win

they started doing a lot better with him in

iirc

[feral zodiac]

Literally decay diff

[willow tartan]

why was decay subbed out anyway

he got sick?

[noble nexus]

idk was never mentioned by them

[feral zodiac]

Probs threw tantrums in scrims or smth

[noble nexus]

I think they thought reaper was more of a jerry hero

[feral zodiac]

Has decay played reaper before

[noble nexus]

not that I remember

probably has at some point

[mortal abyss]

Decay said he had confidence issues

That’s why he didn’t play

lol

[hot onyx]

Imagine being a player as talented as Decay and having confidence issues

[balmy wolf]

RL issues

not everything is about ow

[hot onyx]

Ah sorry

With the way it was worded I thought it was lack of confidence in game

[balmy wolf]

doubt it

• rl confidence translates to ingame

[hot onyx]

True

[balmy wolf]

look at super

his mental is unbeatable

[hot onyx]

Super is the most confident player I’ve ever seen yet he still whiffs 8/10 shatters

[balmy wolf]

lol

[toxic perch]

Don’t like him personally but he’s a good tank

Shatters don’t have the impact they used to

[balmy wolf]

wonder why

[noble nexus]

cuz they last for like half a second idk

[toxic perch]

Also he just recently got a 5 man against Mayhem

[balmy wolf]

probably not because of one single hero

whos perfectly balanced

[toxic perch]

low duration shatters are fair

considering how fast you get them

plus they’re meant for zoning anyways

[noble nexus]

they're also blocked by like half the hero roster

[toxic perch]

stationary shields block shatters ?

Zarya is the only scary one but you can just count CDs

[next mesa]

How are shatters meant for zoning hold up

[toxic perch]

they prevent approaching

especially in a Rein v Rein

simply you have to be on guard

[trail perch]

Also cc exists

Booping rein up

If you accidentally jump shatter

Also if you don’t hit the shatter you just have ur shield down for a solid 2-3 seconds

Then ur bap can just get 2 tapped

[atomic nymph]

Houston Outlaws is the best Team

[willow tartan]

the worst best team

[feral zodiac]

Justice

[hot onyx]

Hunters

[willow tartan]

both formidable opponents

[noble nexus]

the shock

imagine coming into the season as the #1 overrall team and not even making a tournament yet

[willow tartan]

no no like

the worst best team as in

the worst top team

[sullen berry]

Fusion

[tribal canopy]

Shock

[frank torrent]

Shock just has serious trust issues right now

I believe they're individually better than most teams, including Fuel and Shanghai, but they go together about as well as oil lube and tires

no real comms and no real ability to just go with someone they believe in

[toxic perch]

take it slow with Shock, guys

they had to replace their star dps and made some big roster changes

obviously they can’t just jump back into complete dominance

and it’s much harder staying at the top than reaching it once

[frank torrent]

They still have absolutely monstrous players

This isn't about meta or player quality - it's about old dogs not wanting to run with new mates

You have three hounds pulling in different directions on the sled, and the rest are just getting strangled by the ropes

[tribal canopy]

Oh losing moth and your dps sure needs time to adjust to and i have no doubt that they are gonna get the 3peat. Synergy just needs to be built to work together. And they will achieve that for sure

[feral zodiac]

Shock aren't better individually than fuel or shanghai lol, they're pretty much even and some shanghai/fuel players are better individually

[tribal canopy]

I feel like shock supports are the best individually

[feral zodiac]

Than shanghai and fuel?

With izayaki and fielder playing the way they are?

[tribal canopy]

Fdgod lucio > jecse lucio

I still believe viol2t with good synergy is best fs

[feral zodiac]

Ljg lucio > Fdgod lucio

And viol2t seems like a similar story to jjonak in s3, so aggressive that he needs help the tanks can't get

[toxic perch]

debatable but they are neck in neck

[willow tartan]

maybe if shock qualifies for once we can actually see it

[feral zodiac]

Fdgod been too lackluster on shock this season for me to say he's better than ljg

But fielder and izayaki stocks keep going up

[willow tartan]

between the three teams what do you think the rankings would be at each position?

obviously void > hanbin > choi

[feral zodiac]

Tank line, dallas 1st, shock second, shanghai 3rd

I think fate really drags down shanghai in tank rankings

[willow tartan]

at mt fearless is top obv

[feral zodiac]

Not because he's bad but because his competition is fearless and smurf

[willow tartan]

yea

at main support ljg

[noble nexus]

ljg could be top if he turns the feed drive off

[willow tartan]

shock on paper should have better fsp with viol2t/twilight

rapel is permabenched on fuel

[noble nexus]

fielder is probably the best fs this season tho

Shu has been doing pretty well on a dogshit team too

[willow tartan]

shanghai best dps between shock/fuel

but overall

fusion (if they dont play doo doo)

carpe, eqo, rascal, shockwave

nutty

[noble nexus]

idk striker nero glister ta1yo is decent when glister isn't getting slapped around by contenders players

glister has terrible confidence issues

and it sucks because mechanically he could be a top hitscan

[next mesa]

carpe is like slightly better than lip MAYBE

and develop

develop = shockwave

fleta > rascal barely

eqo and whoru are only there for genji and whoru genji is better (probably hot take)

[willow tartan]

hopefully develop can perform in OWL since we havent seen him yet

when was the last time whoru played genji? i thought he was benched on nyxl

[willow tartan]

i dont think their played heroes align

[noble nexus]

he played against valiant or something I think

[frank torrent]

Fleta deadass carried a tournament on his back

[next mesa]

Lip is gonna be there primary hitscan now

their*

he plays widow tracer ashe

cree

[willow tartan]

wait wtf does develop play then

i thought he was a widow specialist

[noble nexus]

p sure he is

[willow tartan]

and that he was brought on to fulfil diem's legacy of being benched since widow is never gonna be meta

[noble nexus]

atleast my understanding is that's what he's for

[willow tartan]

Develop was signed so Shanghai can take home the threepeat in All Stars Widowmaker 1v1

[supple prism]

!!ana

[next mesa]

he is

well hes a hitscan

his hero pool is like almost the same as lip

without the sombra

yeah he was meant to replace diem

[willow tartan]

develop play tracer?

[next mesa]

yeah

[willow tartan]

oo ok

[next mesa]

i havent seen him play that much though

[feral zodiac]

Overall best dps line is fuel if xzi didn't retire

[next mesa]

EHHHH

xzi literally cantplay ashe

[feral zodiac]

Xzi pine sp9rkle and doha

V good dps line

Also glads dps line is very good

Not best but good

Justice is up there because decay

[toxic perch]

best dps line either goes to Dynasty, Shock or Dragons

[tribal canopy]

imagine spark and hunters mix tho

[toxic perch]

like GodsB and Shy?

[feral zodiac]

Architect shy leave godsb (who else is on chengdu btw)

[tribal canopy]

jimmy is soo good tho

[toxic perch]

tastyyy

petition for Hunters Spark merger

[tribal canopy]

china would be so good this wc

[toxic perch]

is World Cup not happening because of Covid or since it’s not profitable

[next mesa]

why is godsb in the conversation

[tribal canopy]

covid iirc

[next mesa]

just shy leave

dump the rest

u dont need anyone else

[tribal canopy]

tru

[toxic perch]

GodsB is not bad

[next mesa]

maybe get architect to round it up

[toxic perch]

he did plenty in season 3

[next mesa]

he's like low B at best now

or B

[toxic perch]

GodsBtier

entire Spark is b tier at least from their ranking

which is a bummer

[trail perch]

jinmu

Or architect

For more proj

just imagine if they combined for rein zar mei cree

Ga9a Seominsoo

Shy Leave

Nisha 1987

[feral zodiac]

Architect is more flexible than jinmu

[mortal abyss]

shy leave dps line

gaga and lige reunited

nisha + mcd + mmonk

christ

[willow tartan]

Chinese superteam scary

[earnest leaf]

Na team>chinese team

[next mesa]

chinese team would slap

[earnest leaf]

but the junkbuck diff

[next mesa]

Gaga Lige (no depression) Guxue Leave Shy Jinmu Superich Nisha Mmonk or 1987

No amount of coaching will make up for the absolute skill gap

bro u have dalton danteh to contest leave shy HELLO

[earnest leaf]

mf

no one is gonna use dalton on an NA team

[digital cloud]

danteh probably could

[next mesa]

who are u gonna go for hitscan then

[digital cloud]

dalton not so much

[earnest leaf]

danteh/nero are pretty solid