again*
#esports-discussion
hollow bough
weary widget
didnt dallas run 76 during may melee and win? lol
hollow bough
I think they ran 76 once
mortal cipher
its seems to be the future
tawdry hamlet
eh if rein returns that might mean mei returns and kevster on mei was a lil shaky
hollow bough
even the casters were like "tf is legs doing here" but they won
plain bramble
Glads vs Fuel round 3!
mortal cipher
they were hella confused
tawdry hamlet
really just depends on if Muze can get with the program or not in summer showdown
plain bramble
Gladiators were the only ones SO FAR, that were able to make the Dallas sweat
they're the healthiest they've ever looked
hollow bough
ppl need to start gettin as good as the fuel
tawdry hamlet
and space, depends on how space plays as well
willow tartan
Shanghai woke up and decided not to throw today
hollow bough
I would be exhausted if I were on shd
willow tartan
I don't know about tomorrow though..m
tawdry hamlet
woke up and chose meta lmao
hollow bough
two 3-0's
plain bramble
Fuel gonna stomp the SHD tommorow
plain bramble
the SHD are good but the Fuel are like, another type of good
willow tartan
Shanghai wants to replace philly and only get second place finishes
ivory mason
We back to the finals
tawdry hamlet
like you would think against dallas yesterday they would swap to echo reaper mid series and not keep trying to force it
but then they did
ivory mason
Atleast we will get 2 points
balmy wolf
who said atl was gonna put up a fight
hollow bough
they were throwing comps at dallas to see what works bc they didnt want to run meta, and tactically threw to guarantee a spot on finals bc they were confident in beating reign and nyxe #conspiracy
plain bramble
who said atl was gonna put up a fight
They did lmao
tawdry hamlet
like everyone who isn't a shanghai fan
balmy wolf
nah
willow tartan
who said atl was gonna put up a fight
they got a map off of dallas
plain bramble
Uhm
ivory mason
I think yesterday match was them just throwing everything at dallas and seeing what might have worked
plain bramble
Someone eductate this guy
balmy wolf
im just being honest
plain bramble
educate*
ivory mason
I miss the guy who said shock is gonna win everything
tawdry hamlet
shock probably would have been the same performance as Atlanta, considering they are both inconsistent
ivory mason
And laughed when i said atlanta could beat shock
willow tartan
I think yesterday match was them just throwing everything at dallas and seeing w...
Going to the losers bracket so you can work out the best counter comp to Dallas 5head
balmy wolf
shock and dallas are both better than glads though
mortal cipher
true
plain bramble
Shock better than glads? god no, but Dallas are way better then Glads
ivory mason
Going to the losers bracket so you can work out the best counter comp to Dallas ...
Ikr beat the other na team and practice against them
plain bramble
Glads are a top 3 team rn
ivory mason
Such a big brain move
tawdry hamlet
I honestly think Florida Gladiators Shock Atlanta all would have done the exact same in this tourney regardless of who went in
plain bramble
Glads have always been either a top 3 or top 5 team
balmy wolf
Shock better than glads? god no, but Dallas are way better then Glads
shock beat glads??
willow tartan
I honestly think Florida Gladiators Shock Atlanta all would have done the exact ...
what if philly didn't drop a map to valiant and went in
hollow bough
preds for the final? i have 4-2 dallas
plain bramble
Just because they beat them doesn't mean they're exactly better
ivory mason
I think dallas is the only team right now that has the perfect read on the meta
tawdry hamlet
eh philly would have made shanghai game close but then lost
ivory mason
And how to force it
plain bramble
Glads would've actually given Shanghai a run for their money tbh
balmy wolf
philly shouldve been in instead of nyxl
plain bramble
if they didn't have to go up against the Fuel XD
ivory mason
Yes
ivory mason
Imagine if dragons lose every finals but then win the actual grand finals
hollow bough
danny my beloved
ivory mason
I can accept that
plain bramble
I can see Glads actually being in the Summer Showdown this time
balmy wolf
I can see Glads actually being in the Summer Showdown this time
i hope so
willow tartan
Imagine if dragons lose every finals but then win the actual grand finals
as long as the meta doesn't get shifted again...
plain bramble
Glads have all the potential and the tools, they even pushed Fuel to the limits
ivory mason
I can accept dragons losing all the finals if we win the grandfinals
balmy wolf
as long as glads dont go against a stupidly stacked team
ivory mason
as long as the meta doesn't get shifted again...
That would just be cursed if that happens again
plain bramble
^
plain bramble
Glads can actually handle stacked teams tbh
willow tartan
we better get lijang as first map against the fuel
supple prism
welp, fuel is probably gonna win again
plain bramble
like they did with Fuel, even though they lost
ivory mason
I have 4-2 dragons
willow tartan
Oh and we better not fucking see numbani tomorrow I swear to God
balmy wolf
they put up a fight against fuel
tawdry hamlet
4-2 fuel once again 
ivory mason
Atleast i got the finals right
balmy wolf
i just want glads to win something 
plain bramble
I didn't do pickems but I see a 3-0 or a 3-1 for dallas
balmy wolf
even though they did good this time around
tawdry hamlet
it is best of 4 in finals
ivory mason
I think dragons played a good numbani today
mortal cipher
they played amazing
ivory mason
The focus fire on pelican was so good
plain bramble
Ah, well 4-0 then
weary widget
Dragons faced Fuel recently, hopefully they can adapt
plain bramble
I can't see SHD maintaining their momentum for very long
tawdry hamlet
the question is, blizzard world, or numbani, which will we see 
plain bramble
the question is, blizzard world, or numbani, which will we see <:hmm:78284782045...
BW
ivory mason
Blizzard world would make more sense
balmy wolf
shanghai win plz
hollow bough
plain bramble
Numbani SHD actually struggled on a tiny little bit
willow tartan
it is best of 4 <:Salutations:520101260041519108> in finals
Shanghai vs Dallas best of five during may melee, june joust, summer showdown, countdown cup, and, season playoffs
ivory mason
Specially now that fearless cant shatter them from the back
plain bramble
Shanghai vs Dallas best of five during may melee, june joust, summer showdown, c...
You're making BIG predictions
plain bramble
I'm not all that faithful of SHD tbh, as much as how good they are
willow tartan
no I'm just saying it would be funny if they fought each other in all of the finals
tawdry hamlet
Shanghai have spots where they go off then a week later lose to spark then 3-0 a team like philly, and then lose to chengdu type stuff, they just need to get fate to be consistent on something besides fucking wrecking ball pls
plain bramble
If Shock can get their Rein back... yeah
ivory mason
Fate is good on orisa
tawdry hamlet
idk why fate downgraded so hard this season lowkey like he was popping on mayhem and then went to shanghai and has mostly been a big underperformer
ivory mason
His monkey needs work
ivory mason
I think fate has started adapting really well
Well that depends on the coach and what they want from him
If his job is to be a bait, he can be amazing at play making and still will be used as a bait
willow tartan
He's really good at coordinating with the rest of the dragons though
Like the engagements are clean af
ivory mason
Alot depends on moon and what they want fate to do
tawdry hamlet
at least he finally figured that out, early season fate and his lack of coordination was a big meme
that gibraltar against chengdu where he literally played spawn simulator
ivory mason
Like on individual plays fate holds his own
Eichenwalde was worse
Its like they had amnesia
gilded carbon
ofc ofc
willow tartan
if either team gets swept that's just gonna be anticlimactic af
tawdry hamlet
on another note, tank line tier list what you guys thinking 😎
willow tartan
Seoul has a tankline?
hollow bough
Seoul should not be D tier
hollow bough
nvm
willow tartan
as long as they don't revert to fkn marvel sigma
hollow bough
Seoul going with roadhog
tawdry hamlet
Seoul literally has literally no tank line and when they do they force double off tanks lmao
or hog
balmy wolf
whats wrong with marvel sigma
tawdry hamlet
I think trying to force gesture hog is what kills them often
gesture lowkey not that great
finals just raised his stonks
willow tartan
Seoul thinking it's playoffs still
balmy wolf
did getting to playoffs give them ego
tawdry hamlet
idk, I think it made gesture look a lot better than he was because he got to play a hero he is good at in a meta that was good for said hero, whereas when he plays it elsewhere he gets melted as hog is not great
Seoul is just never very impressive without their dps making insane plays
hollow bough
seoul tanks arent good but I love profit/creative
gilded carbon
damn we really just gonna get a 4-0 for dallas tmrw
such a boring tournament so far 😭
tawdry hamlet
I like Profit Fits as I think most do
since they are always so hype
when they need to be
and meh every other time
lmao
there were a lot of teams with tons of potential this season that just didn't get it done
like Toronto or Boston
hollow bough
spark shouldve been in instead of nyxe imo, but they fucked the knockoffs
willow tartan
fits vs ans and diem wasn't fair
tawdry hamlet
why
willow tartan
we all pretending that philly didn't exist in the final four right
tawdry hamlet
I mean they played heesu widow against those teams so like you tell me 
carpe widow would have given them a shot but I guess they needed tracer too badly
and sado did not understand how to play main tank hog
he was tryna play ranked gm hog
hollow bough
finally found the music played in the intermissions
tawdry hamlet
if hog becomes meta again then theoretically Shock should go all the way and then match with shanghai since surely shanghai has upgraded just too much for this to matter
as far as seoul goes I mean
hollow bough
i can dream that seoul wins
tawdry hamlet
idk Dallas exist but they aren't like known for having a hog
hanbin is known for da sigma and fearless for the rein monke
hanbin also on the other off tanks but I don't think either have a strong hog
compared to say smurf or fate (at least I think)
willow tartan
fearless being benched during the playoffs was just sadge
tawdry hamlet
I guess, but he hadn't played hog all year and I assume stand1 was only there to fill the few tanks fearless wasn't great on so they tried him
idk how much better fearless would have been tbh
tawdry hamlet
wonder what would have happened if they just forced their same comp
from the season
willow tartan
unlucky that the meta shifted to one of the few heroes fearless can't play
tawdry hamlet
probably force their way through philly but not shock or seoul I think
willow tartan
wonder what would have happened if they just forced their same comp
you know what, I think that would be interesting to see given how dominant they were during the regular season
tawdry hamlet
shanghai in grand finals was largely similar to shock in summer showdown
just didn't have the right hero
willow tartan
largely similar to Shanghai in summer showdown
tawdry hamlet
that too yeah
willow tartan
sparkle difference
tawdry hamlet
loll
fleta genji I forgot existed
and rascal genji which was equally as forgettable
willow tartan
super genji
tawdry hamlet
then at some point didn't shock give up and just try to force tracer?
willow tartan
they signed whoru though so for sure that won't happen again
tawdry hamlet
I mean when was the last time whoru played a map doe
willow tartan
shit idk why did nyxl sign whoru again
When they had haksal
actually
they had libero too right
tawdry hamlet
yeah that is why people hate their coaching
because they had two of the best flexes and jjonak
and still flopped
they also had mano too
willow tartan
what were they expecting to happen, no limits so they can run libero haksal whoru?
tawdry hamlet
They had nenne too
Was sad because genji meta was finally nyxls time and then a lil Chinese boi happened
gilded carbon
nenne more like penne ahaha
tawdry hamlet
Jjonak Haksal vs Eileen Shu nanoblade duo who you taking?
Both are top tier
I mean prime jjonak btw
willow tartan
I mean at their primes then jjonak should take it
willow tartan
yes
tawdry hamlet
Hmm
willow tartan
Dallas is just the Paris Eternal
tawdry hamlet
Benbest hanbin in a year of heavy double shield not even bad, they really should have just dropped Nico and soon and focused on getting sparkle better on the tracer and they'd have been pretty good
Since it's literally just Dallas plus Benbest and fdgod lol
willow tartan
what's this song at the end called
kinda groovy
they already have the fkn encore stream up
owl scripted confirmed
mortal abyss
Lmao
candid radish
This will have been asked before and is probably dumb but do you still get OWL tokens from the encore if you haven’t watched it live
tawdry hamlet
If you watch the games the first day then watch the encore you'll tokens tokens from both of them as long as you watch them while they're live on the channel
Any owl game stream encore or regular gives tokens
candid radish
Ahh sweet so I don’t need to stay up till 4 watching league games for a widow skin
tawdry hamlet
Basically yes you'll always get tokens as long as you watch a stream live
balmy wolf
oh we lost2 games
kinda expected tho
atleast i dont need to stay up for finals
sleep is important
little tusk
again shanghai vs dallas
balmy wolf
im sick of that argument bro
tawdry hamlet
but no actually annoying how atlanta has all the pieces but just can't win
they are always so close to greatness
but so far
tawdry hamlet
they are mediocre on rush and third best on neo goats, but I don't think they would have really won to philly maybe
but
balmy wolf
neogoats is rush lol
balmy wolf
they will be mediocre in dive
tawdry hamlet
too much synergy for the talent dif of washington to matter
balmy wolf
and great in rush and ds
tawdry hamlet
idek who they replace to get better is the thing, edison and masaa are like the only underperformers but they still pop enough to justify their spot on the team
willow tartan
i think atlanta is top of the mid teams
balmy wolf
and they are considered better
willow tartan
like not championship calibre but just below
sort of like how florida mayhem was when meta was in their favour
balmy wolf
if we consider shanghai and dallas top teams then yeah
tawdry hamlet
I mean shanghai was technically a dive otp last season 
they played double shield and won but the games were a lot closer than dive
if they had real competition from apac they might have not won
willow tartan
seoul gave them real competition at like the start of the season and then decided "we're not gonna play good until the playoffs"
balmy wolf
shanghai has free wins
tawdry hamlet
if charge had a better main tank and main support last season they could have been nuts
double shield with crong, and then eileen nero happy shu
pretty ok roster
I wish lige was able to play, he had so much hype going in 😦
I wish apac didn't sign full rosters so we could actually watch team cc pickups play
not even that I just wish the season had more games so they could play people like 1987 but instead he just be da bench man
like at least put him on a two way at that point like yveltal
but no I genuinely think shanghai farming so many free wins massively overrated the apac region and then when it came time to show up they were the same or worse
as na
willow tartan
ehh
outside of london last year
worst apac teams were better than the worst na teams
plush grail
did nyxl win a single map in the finals
tawdry hamlet
London Chengdu and NYXL were all dog ass last season
plush grail
atlanta won 1 map right
willow tartan
they won 1 map against dallas
willow tartan
nyxl won a total of 0 maps
tawdry hamlet
covid is dumb I just want the regions to compete again so we don't have to speculate on matchups
willow tartan
yes please
i mean i guess its pretty hype that we have to wait for tournaments for the regions to face off
but
i want more games
why do we only play 16 games
thats too little
can we get 5 games per stage at least
plush grail
yeah but we dont get cool matches like london vs la valiant
tawdry hamlet
region split has made bottom na look even worse and everyone but top of apac look shit
is sadge
willow tartan
well
the top eastern division teams have also shat themselves a lot
like i dont understand the match results sometimes
like in what world would you have predicted fusion getting swept week 1 of the june joust
tawdry hamlet
in what world would shanghai beat fusion and then 3-2 to spark
nothing in apac makes sense
willow tartan
everyone is just so inconsistent
willow tartan
super close because half the time the teams are throwing
plush grail
except for la valian
willow tartan
its like every eastern divison team flips a coin and then decides on whether or not they're throwing for the day
plush grail
one day a apac team is just gonna fucking throw vs la
willow tartan
that was philly
plush grail
mark my words, shanghai will lose to valiant
tawdry hamlet
someone gotta do it
willow tartan
if any team loses to valiant in the eastern division hands down its gotta be the chengdu hunters
they have a 12 man roster right?
can actually just swap out their entire team
willow tartan
you mean it shows how fucking inconsistent owl teams are
tawdry hamlet
I mean they have multiple maps, it is like the nba where it is best of 7 instead of the nfl where it is best of 1, they have chances
it isn't like they just have a bad game, they have several
willow tartan
reminder that shock has once again gotten swept in a knockout
thats not the system's fault
that's the shock's fault
willow tartan
june joust opening week was even more crazy imo
tawdry hamlet
speaking of inconsistency like shock
florida exists
literally don't understand that team
they either roll, or get rolled
the inconsistency go brr
willow tartan
cursed
formal glacier
can someone explain the owl schedule
it says final but they keep playing?
also what exactly is encore
and which time cest is next match played?
balmy wolf
See I would try and help you understand it but im bad at explaining things so id just make it way more confusing for you
Maybe someone else can help you
Its honestly well for me its not that hard to understand but again I cant really explain it, so you have my apologizes
Apologies*
final means the match is already over
encore is just a restream of the matches
cause the timezones are so different they do a restream for eu ppl
Is that what she meant? Im an idiot I thought she meant final as in today like the Dragons vs Fuel and then they start playing in the next tournament
cause it would be 2am
balmy wolf
Is that what she meant? Im an idiot I thought she meant final as in today like t...
i only see 1 final
on the left
Yeah and all the others are the encores
Yeah that makes sense now
My apologies for confusing everyone if I did
Did they ever fix the rewards problem? I still havent got my tokens or mercy skin and I watched the entirity of both thursdays and fridays streams
mortal abyss
Pine probably shockwave idk
tawdry hamlet
shockwave probably not but funny astro and eqo yeah, and pine probably later on
but honestly Dallas have a really good thing going right now to the point that slotting in pine might actually make them worse lmao
unless it is a hitscan heavy meta sparkle tracer is surely better than pine and then sombra goes to doha and echo reaper etc go to doha sparkle
I only see pine if cree rush again
cursive plover
I hope they integrate pine slowly and play him only when necessary (widow maps, cree meta)
Play with his strengths rather than trying to force him in there
tawdry hamlet
that would be the smartest thing to do since they are literally best in the world or second best without him
even in a meta with hitscans dallas was still able to come out on top
so we shall see if pine is improvement
we bouta get pine cree sparkle mei in another rush meta when hero pools gone and na goes back to brain dead comp
loll
willow tartan
goes back to brain dead comp
as if disease comp isnt already brain dead
cursive plover
I just hope they don't try to force pines hitscan for too long
balmy wolf
i hate desease comp
tawdry hamlet
why it is literally your teams best comp
balmy wolf
its with monke
tawdry hamlet
if echo loses relevancy atlanta falls right back to the middle
but she won't
the only reason she looks so powerful is because tracer is banned
if tracer wasn't banned there wouldn't be disease comp
since tracer actually counters echo
honestly I am starting to notice, most metas depend on having a tracer or not lowkey
balmy wolf
if echo loses relevancy atlanta falls right back to the middle
thats straight up not true
tawdry hamlet
it is though, in may melee in the rush they were mid
balmy wolf
it is though, in may melee in the rush they were mid
they were the best rush team after dallas and shock
tawdry hamlet
Florida existed
tawdry hamlet
yeah I watched them lose to justice dive to dive then switch rush and roll them
balmy wolf
cause justice is ass on rush
everyone off their comfort picks
florida is bad on rush
justice is worse
tawdry hamlet
Didn't florida beat Atlanta in the may melee
balmy wolf
^these teams are dive teams
balmy wolf
Didn't florida beat Atlanta in the may melee
on dive
yes
on rush?
hell no
we had 1 rush map that game
and florida got rolled
tawdry hamlet
Atlanta is mid af just accept it
balmy wolf
just think my dude
willow tartan
atl fans have their standards lowered yes
tawdry hamlet
it was literally meicree rein and then monkey zarya
willow tartan
atlanta was not in the may melee tournament
tawdry hamlet
the qualifiers we are not talking about the tourney itself
although having 4 team tourneys sucks
balmy wolf
they won every single rush map besides havana against shock
tawdry hamlet
we will see in future tourneys, but the dps line can only carry for so long
Gator and hawk aren't bad but it feels like they have been at their ceiling for 2 seasons straight
when are they going to just like
get better
balmy wolf
echo and tracer were the only carry heroes in both metas
tawdry hamlet
by get better fire sephy
willow tartan
who is sephy
tawdry hamlet
😎
willow tartan
so exactly where they should be but you disagree with them being called a mid tier team
tawdry hamlet
is 5-8th not mid tier
balmy wolf
so exactly where they should be but you disagree with them being called a mid ti...
not this year
willow tartan
is 5-8th not mid tier <:hmm:782847820452855818>
its not mid tier?
theres only like 10 teams in NA
balmy wolf
both seasons they were where they should be
tawdry hamlet
pretty sure it was 12 last season wasn't it, or was that the whole thing, I swear I recall toronto being above 10 at one point
or vancouver
balmy wolf
has nothing to do with this season
balmy wolf
yeah
tawdry hamlet
you can see the diff between rush and dive though lmao, wonder if gator and hawk will learn dive someday
tbh I wonder if na as a whole will ever learn dive
idk why na always gravitates to rush
tawdry hamlet
I guess, but the best na rush usually loses to the best apac dive, so what is the point in learning the lower skill ceiling meta
balmy wolf
for some reason
willow tartan
because its ezer
cursive plover
na just doesn't like hard comps
tawdry hamlet
Tracer is busted, but nobody in NA besides striker and yaki ever abuse her
and striker hasn't even looked good on tracer this season
balmy wolf
before the season started everyone thaught it was rush meta
willow tartan
fearless said something like "yeah rush is lower skill ceiling but we can play it good so we play it"
tawdry hamlet
someday NA will realize the potential of Pharah 
willow tartan
lol nope
forest token
even back in the day when na/eu were on the whole tripletank thing apac was still gravitating more towards dive
tawdry hamlet
APAC runs pharah all the time but NA is like scared of playing her because this god given idea that pharah gets merked when she is good loll
cursive plover
apac just really really likes dive
Legit the reason why I like apac
willow tartan
i just dont like watching rush
forest token
I prefer rush
tawdry hamlet
like if you have seen profit or jinmu on the pharah
willow tartan
dive is cool because its built in more obvious and epicer phases of
the prefight looking for a dive target
the setting up
then the engagement
forest token
eh
tawdry hamlet
I like dive because you can see the pure mechanic differences better
forest token
widow metas
tawdry hamlet
since it comes down to the 1v1's of the dps
willow tartan
i just like the macro
forest token
are always boring as fuck
willow tartan
bigger picture stuff
willow tartan
i love watching double shield
glacial wadi
just finished watching the games and another correct predication ayy
willow tartan
it really shows like how well the whole team coordinates
tawdry hamlet
I like specific dps metas with double shield like widow traceer or widow genji
glacial wadi
I really dislike double shield personally, Its so slow to watch
tawdry hamlet
but not really the comp as a whole
forest token
I hate orisa in generla
glacial wadi
^
forest token
boring hero
willow tartan
widow tracer is cool because at any point either team can clutch it up
and that shit is hype
tawdry hamlet
Widow tracer is fun because it is pure mechanics in the dps side
forest token
"oh no he caught a weird angle and the fight is instantly lost woooo"
tawdry hamlet
and you get to see things like Ans
willow tartan
yeah
cursive plover
when a widow pops off it's hype but widows holding sightlines is boring as fuck
forest token
mechanics are fucking boring
glacial wadi
Widow tracer is fun because it is pure mechanics in the dps side
I mean... there are plenty of other dps that are also just as mechanically intensive lol
willow tartan
one of my favorite moments last year was a widow moment
forest token
if I was entertained purely by mechanics I'd go watch cs
forest token
was it
willow tartan
during the final 4
forest token
I don't care to watch widow metas
cursive plover
Imagine if we had xzi on dallas
willow tartan
ashe mercy was also gamer to watch when she still had that 1 tap potential
forest token
like
esp with the ow movement
it's just so boring
"haha this guy's looking at me, time to find a different target"
"ope I managed to find someone who was in an animation that made sense, kill time :)"
tawdry hamlet
isn't that like every hero, just oh no he looked at me, peel, start over
forest token
no
as in
if someone's looking at you and dodging for you
you're not hitting the headshot
there's no mindgames
no outplays
he just fucks with his animation and wastes your time
willow tartan
you're forcing them to look at you, alleviating pressure on your team
forest token
no, you're the one who's getting his time wasted
willow tartan
and you're damn wrong if you think OWL widow players cant hit shots on ppl spam strafing
forest token
because he can still get value while you're sitting there plinking bodyshots
they can't
forest token
go watch an owl widow
tawdry hamlet
did you not see all the flicks on strafing tracers last season
they hit them all the time
forest token
when someone starts dodging for them they switch targets
because they're not getting that kill
like if you can catch a tracer in a specific animation
you can get her
and since the range is closer the head is bigger
but against, say, a bap or ana?
they just switch targets
playing quake has made me realize how much I miss having accurate hitboxes with skillful movement
little tusk
if I was entertained purely by mechanics I'd go watch cs
doesn't ow need more mechanics than cs lol
forest token
kinda
ow is much more about knowing the animations and shit and just dumping hours into learning how to aim at them
and is much faster
little tusk
isnt that what aiming is in general?
forest token
so while in cs you need your mechanics on point maybe 2-3 times a round, in ow you need it for pretty much the entire match
fuck no
aiming in games with good movement is all about reading your opponent and punishing them for misreading you
little tusk
ow u can read ur opponents as well it's just a lot harder because of the wonky fast strafes
forest token
it's pretty much impossible against a good opponent because there's no punishment
whereas in other games there's a decel period so if you change directions too fast you stand still, in ow you can instantly change directions at all times
so even if you fuck up, you can just hit the other button and be fine
little tusk
yah ow's wonky fast strafes are op
u can be a silver player and still be unhittable cuz of how op adada is in ow
tawdry hamlet
does the less punishment not make it more difficult to hit the shot?
forest token
you still don't meet people who actually use it until like
gm/t500
which is crazy to me because of how easy it is
little tusk
dont disagree with that at all
I feel like my strafing is way better than the ones in my rank which is diamond
and strafing in ow is piss easy
forest token
does the less punishment not make it more difficult to hit the shot?
yes, but for dumb reasons
tawdry hamlet
but is it still a harder to hit shot
little tusk
ya
forest token
it's still skillless to make it difficult
forest token
and it's also why ow is much more about finding people who aren't paying attention to you than outplaying your opponent
little tusk
aside from tracer but that's more blink management
tawdry hamlet
yeah because overwatch is a team game and not an arena shooter
so why would it be about that
forest token
wut
little tusk
don't disagree with that either u see a lot of low level widow clips be widow's shooting at opponents that aren't even doding your shots
forest token
just because it's a team game doesn't mean you have to throw individual interactions out the window
the fuck?
forest raven
Good fucking luck trying to kill a baby dva or some shit that knows how to move 
little tusk
@forest raven thats the point he's making
forest raven
Yeah ik
little tusk
it's rly tough to hit someone that's deliberately trying to dodge u
that's why a lot of widows just go for targets that aren't doing that
forest raven
and it's also why ow is much more about finding people who aren't paying attenti...
So fuckin true
little tusk
I have a 4K widow clip somewhere where I just kill ppl that are basically moving in a straight line
idk I agree with this guy
tawdry hamlet
I just really don't see the problem with off angles, if the enemy team doesn't properly check their flanks then the punishment is deserved
little tusk
being on wifi also makes it so much harder to hit ppl cuz ur screen isn't as smooth
tawdry hamlet
forest token
what
little tusk
it's just boring
forest token
what does this have to do with offangles
forest raven
Atlanta got fucking shit on so bad
little tusk
maybe I should get into quake again
but tbh pro quake players couldn't keep up mechanically in ow
forest raven
Pelican boomed by his own tank line 
little tusk
so imo ow def requires more mechanics
forest token
bro most of those guys are in their late 30s/early 40s
tropic herald
I think people call out a lot of reaper diffs in the rush mirror
If you see a reaper diff
little tusk
lmao that's a good point
tropic herald
That’s a dva diff
little tusk
I do like watching quake from time to time tho
and I was heavily into it like 2 years ago
shoutout clawz and serious
little tusk
quake champs or quake live?
forest token
champs
tawdry hamlet
no but I mean like this, if Fusion isn't going to check their flank what is the problem with him punishing for it, who cares if it is like lower skill
https://youtube.com/clip/Ugz_O9aTs7mgEFEgzut4AaABCQ
forest token
tdm on live is dead
little tusk
does it still run like poop
I only played ffa on live
the ffa where u spawn with all weaps and more hp
forest token
no but I mean like this, if Fusion isn't going to check their flank what is the ...
the problem is that widow on the flank is fine as long as you stare at her and a/d/a/d
little tusk
I actually grinded my rail stats on quake live in the past
so I had the highest rail accuracy in ffa or smth
tawdry hamlet
I miss xzi :(((
forest token
it's not like they have to either outplay you or dip
as long as they aren't bots with their movement and don't have something else to dodge they can sit there and deny you the kill for nothing
it's what makes me absolutely hate playing dps in ow
little tusk
well that's only for widow tbh
forest token
nah it's for any hitscan
little tusk
and this xzi clip kinda proves u wrong cuz he's hitting a bap that's not super easy to hit
tawdry hamlet
Overwatch league players can hit strafing targets even with the overwatch movement system I promise you
forest token
is it at the widow
tawdry hamlet
they won't hit as many
forest token
does he even know the widow is there
tawdry hamlet
but they will still hit
little tusk
nah but the bap was still tough to hit
forest token
not really
little tusk
and I guess u can just play widow hs which is about widow 1v1s heh
forest token
nah cuz the head makes sense
tawdry hamlet
it is literally a reaction time battle
little tusk
wut
play any widow hs server and u see it's not about standing still
cmon thats just false
forest token
it's a mindgame
little tusk
depends
forest token
and I am very used to playing that mindgame
little tusk
it's a flick game or a mindgame
forest token
nah it's a mindgame
balmy wolf
widow hs server are bs
little tusk
nah it depends lol
forest token
like
tawdry hamlet
it is, you peak and if you shoot first you win most widow duels as long as the crosshair is in the right spot
forest token
most of the time I die
balmy wolf
plpl have adhs
little tusk
there are multiple styles u can do in a widow 1v1
forest token
it's because I crouch on my screen at exactly the right moment
little tusk
u can bait their movement or just flick to them
forest token
and the server doesn't register the crouch in time
so on my screen the shot went over me but I still die
tawdry hamlet
lmaoo what is this 6 view youtube clip I found
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9filcC9RaYQ
too stronk
little tusk
lol
forest raven
forest token
like
little tusk
maybe I should upload my widow clips as well
balmy wolf
ns bro
tawdry hamlet
I just enjoy hitscan in overwatch far too much to not like widow metas
forest token
if you try and just flick to someone who's good at the mindgame
they'll just crouch it
tawdry hamlet
hitscan makes you feel so powerful 
forest raven
If cree didn't exist I probably wouldn't play ow tbh
little tusk
honestly started ow for the hitscan as well
but the first support I mained was moira xd
forest token
I can't play anything that has to care about the animations
they're just so dumb
for no reason
tawdry hamlet
I don't get it, it isn't that hard to hit shots in overwatch, why does it bother you so much lmao
forest token
cuz it's skillless and relies on my opponents being absolutely braindead
forest token
and I hate relying on that
forest token
I would rather play a game where hitting shots is because I played better, not because my opponent botted out
tawdry hamlet
I am sure there are games out there
little tusk
any popular game***
tawdry hamlet
I know overwatch isn't the peak of high skill games loll
forest token
apex is terrible mechanically as well
forest token
the movement is genuinely some of the dumbest shit I've ever seen
little tusk
I think in terms of aim ow is pretty much the peak in skill lol
forest raven
Every other fps I've tried just doesn't capture me like ow does
forest token
again
forest raven
I have accepted the fact that I am a casual
forest token
ow aim is about your opponent not playing well
little tusk
maybe fortnite xdxd
forest token
and about you knowing the animations well enough to punish
tawdry hamlet
I like overwatch because time to kill isn't .002ms insta dead after you peak 😦
forest token
not about actually outplaying them
little tusk
that's still outplaying lol
wut else would u refer to as outplaying then
like what's an example of outplaying
forest token
properly reading them?
little tusk
so quake
forest token
knowing when they'll strafe back, when they'll be standing still, how to control their movement with your own, etc.
quake and cod mainly
little tusk
and maybe oldschool doom exdee
tawdry hamlet
but if they make a mistake and have their head exposed and get punished isn't that still outplaying someone even if they didn't look at you because your positioning was superior
forest token
though cod is much more about controlling engages rather than straight up dodging
still movement that actually makes sense
forest token
but if they make a mistake and have their head exposed and get punished isn't th...
?
if it only works because they didn't look at you when they should've, it's just eh to me
tawdry hamlet
there is never going to be a perfect player, as even top level makes mistakes, so by having the better position and winning is outplaying them because they didn't have the better position imo
but I am not an arena shooter man so
I only play cs and ow
forest token
I just really hate how brainless the movement is
dodging in ow is just
not satisfying at all
tawdry hamlet
although my cs game has been slacking because I got tired of flash peek corner 💥
insta domed
tawdry hamlet
on another note, Dallas still winning this tourney bet
tawdry hamlet
forest raven
forest raven
Fucked on
tawdry hamlet
Shanghai had the sheer roster advantage but the idea of an underdog and the momentum they had made everyone have way too much hopium
and shanghai trolling yesterday helped as well
since nobody would have been as confident in reign if shanghai hadn't lost to dallas so badly
if they had lost like 3-2 then reign fans wouldn't have been so hopeful
but they trolled lmao
forest token
oh wait I didn't even realize they'd played those matches
lmfao
actually free for fuel
tropic herald
Shanghai believers
forest token
idk why owl makes it so fucking difficult to check how the tourney is going
like pls
just give me a link
to the bracket
tawdry hamlet
Shanghai trolling yesterday birthed atlanta believers because people assumed shanghai would shit da bed
and then they played normal again
against a far weaker team
tawdry hamlet
shanghai just need better scrim partners man
their scrims in apac suck dick lowkey
tropic herald
No I think people believed Atlanta Bc they had an actual insane good macro performance on orisa comps into monkey rush is what birthed their believers
willow tartan
half of shanghai's scrim partners is korean contenders
forest token
only team that hard scrimmed the orisa
that's what had me going for them
esp when apac started shifting to the orisa as well
tropic herald
Atlanta and Dallas were scrim partners this stage
forest token
was shanghai still on the orisa vs. atl or did they switch it up
tropic herald
That’s probably why Atlanta looked so well versed on the comp
Shanghai played their dumb ball shit I’ve been told
willow tartan
alright guys what if netease signs an OWL B-team to play on team cc so they have a good scrim partner 
forest token
ahh yeah that'd do it
tropic herald
Which unsurprisingly beat up any team that wasn’t Dallas
forest raven
They played monkey rush but with a ball, normal monkey rush, orisa with double hitscan, orisa with echo
tropic herald
I heard Fleta pulled out the soldier again
tawdry hamlet
eh, everyone knew shanghai and dallas had far better rosters not to mention shock played like dog shit, so even in this meta, if shanghai came out and 2-3 to Dallas instead of 0-3 to them with their silly soldier ball thing Reign fans would not have expected a close series and would have known shanghai would go brrr
forest raven
Yes he did
forest token
it's been how long since any na team has had to play against a ball
formal glacier
@balmy wolf@balmy wolfThank you😊
willow tartan
it's been how long since any na team has had to play against a ball
0 days
forest token
before then
balmy wolf
np
forest token
exactly lol
tawdry hamlet
either way, next tourney I really hope glads atlanta or houston can get past knockouts for once since the knockout system just bonks any teams just barely on the verge of greatness
I meant florida
not atlanta
I want florida to get a round 2 in hawaii
willow tartan
i want to see fusion qualify but also its funny to see them lose
tawdry hamlet
that too
I really want fusion to just play like the talent on their roster should be able to play
but they seemingly can't
theoretically shanghai and philly are the most stacked rosters in the world
willow tartan
maybe its like a synergy problem
tawdry hamlet
but they are wildly inconsistent
willow tartan
teammates just dont work well together or some shit
tawdry hamlet
kind of wild shanghai lost erster, like I already forgot he existed in shanghai
he was supposed to be like wow big upgrade in the projectile department
then never touched the game
tawdry hamlet
fleta flex though, upgrade over dding
ivory mason
Upgrade in the aggressiveness
willow tartan
upgrade in the "fuck you" department
ivory mason
Which whoru can be now
tropic herald
it's been how long since any na team has had to play against a ball
The thing is, Dallas played into Shanghai ball as well, they just ignored it like they ignore most Orisa, I’m interested to see what Shanghai learn from that
tawdry hamlet
erster was the we are already op af but lets grab another player for the stack
but then he didn't work out
molly felt like that too
ivory mason
The thing is, Dallas played into Shanghai ball as well, they just ignored it lik...
Dallas didn't play into shanghai ball with reaper and echo
forest token
dallas was also running the rush
ivory mason
Dallas played against ball , mcree and soldier
tawdry hamlet
they played into soldier cree because moon ssmoked too much crack
coach of the year btw
willow tartan
all great overwatch coaches do hard narcotics
tawdry hamlet
crusty
tropic herald
Soldier Cree is a good theory but also Dallas are built diff
ivory mason
Dragons didn't even bring out echo and reaper till they mirrorer in the very end
forest raven
The Moon Marijuana
tawdry hamlet
if we can stop getting numbani torb comps though
that would be cool
fucking hate numbani
pls teams stop
ivory mason
But torb comps are cool
tawdry hamlet
torb is cool and all but I hate numbani more than I like torb lmao
willow tartan
the shanghai roster page still has diem and erster 
ivory mason
^
tawdry hamlet
since it is literally the rush map
willow tartan
double sniper comp
ivory mason
Or go hard double shield
willow tartan
^
barren quest
Blizz World?
tawdry hamlet
also remember this when the meta was rush with reaper torb
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5P_e-OSEmk
what a meta
loll
ivory mason
In the start
ivory mason
Is kings row even in rotation?
tawdry hamlet
funny comp
ivory mason
Man that valiant team was good
tawdry hamlet
far better than it should have been lowkey, packing10 worked some magic
ivory mason
Yea
tawdry hamlet
I mean the dps were good
ivory mason
Also ksp plays reapee
tawdry hamlet
but the rest were mid tier I think
willow tartan
what is the map pool
tawdry hamlet
I guess lastro was ok last season
ivory mason
Then why do force edison to play reaper
tawdry hamlet
mcgravy was a bottom tier ot
ivory mason
Mcgravy was okayish
tawdry hamlet
apply played brig okay but he is so much more fun to watch as a streamer and gig just like existed
ksf wasn't too bad
ivory mason
Gig only played like the initial games
tawdry hamlet
ksp and shax on the ashe tracer combo 
ivory mason
Kap and shax was the saving grace of the team
tawdry hamlet
gig played summer showdown when dreamer was sick
and apply played the brig then
and they lost to defiant because agilities genji and lack of their main players
ivory mason
I don't even remember that time
ivory mason
All i remember from summer showdown was Paris beating 2 top teams back to back
willow tartan
philly and shock
tawdry hamlet
fun stuff
ivory mason
It was amazing
willow tartan
and gzc beat shanghai
tawdry hamlet
considering the success of dallas now and the fact that paris was literally just dallas with fdgod and benbest who were pretty high tier already Sparkle genji ability allowed them to just level up even more lol
ivory mason
I still believe that was winable if they had played lip, diem i felt was just cursed
barren quest
Valiant runs the "dishonest comps"
tawdry hamlet
beast was also on that toronto team wasn't he their monkey player
god beast is god awful on monkey but he is also only good at monkey
what a beast moment
tawdry hamlet
I guess his records aren't the worst thing in the world as far as t2 goes so I can see why he is valued but in owl he is just so bad
Sado is just so so much better though
tawdry hamlet
kind of funny how sado went from a top 4 main tank to meh in the blink of an eye
he is good still
but the old sado gone
main tank always looks worse when the team is worse tho
willow tartan
there's just so many good players
safe marsh
when is the encore stream?
willow tartan
4 hours
tawdry hamlet
but gigachad sado from last season feels like it was only a dream nowadays
toronto supports have been such a disappointment so far
they were supposed to be some of their bigger pickups
safe marsh
thx