Pelican is just far better than Valentine on the echo 
#esports-discussion
tawdry hamlet
balmy wolf
shanghai or dallas vs boston is like fusion uni vs contenders
tawdry hamlet
and Boston supports have not been super hot recently 😦
humble yarrow
The screen is all red and blue
dusty hound
Pelican is just far better than Valentine on the echo <:Salutations:520101260041...
most owl players are that's why he is sitting of the bottom of the power rankings
gilded carbon
I like how you can straight up vibe in this channel and not get regular but if you talk in general-discussion a few times a day you just speedrun that shit and get it in 3 days
not complaining tho
balmy wolf
I like how you can straight up vibe in this channel and not get regular but if y...
true
thats how it works
gilded carbon
just the way it goes
dusty hound
the shock channel use smurf singing as an ending
umbral sapphire
lmao hes just living his best life
barren quest
Alright Bastion/Sym strat from ATL when
humble yarrow
Develop when?
dreamy cave
NY plz. Just dont get 3-0
ivory stag
I feel dragons gonna pop off here and they were hiding neogoats for atl and for fuel
or you know there will be a useless ball player again
humble yarrow
Why are dragons so well rounded and are always super dominant but never make it to the grand finals
ivory stag
they refuse to mirror ? idk lol
worldly flax
tropic herald
ivory stag
ball KEKW
humble yarrow
Here we go
tawdry hamlet
dropping subs on apply he has now gotten like 50 this stream of 200 viewers
money go brrr
gilded carbon
fate minuscule amount of tomfoolery?
dusty hound
why won't they just play monkey
fate is not great at Winston and that's about it
humble yarrow
How many hours for mercy?
tawdry hamlet
I mean I guess but he was still solid on winston enough last season which is why I am surprised
but it works now, so this I think really just shows how good dallas is vs nyxl
idk
ivory stag
@humble yarrow idk i want the mercy genji and widow skins so bad
humble yarrow
Genji?
umbral sapphire
this is a bit less engaging than the last match
dusty hound
Shanghai dragons are shitposting at this point
ivory stag
Genji?
Yeah ive seen the gray and orange skin on mercy widow and genji two or three times online
humble yarrow
The contenders genji skin?
severe tusk
tf is this match
fast tusk
Yelp im gonna do my run, let me know when the atl vs shg match will start
dusty hound
shitpost
humble yarrow
Yelp im gonna do my run, let me know when the atl vs shg match will start
Tommorow
fast tusk
Oh really i thought it was tonight
humble yarrow
It is?
severe tusk
*this afternoon for me :)
ivory stag
yeah on ow twitter its after this match
fast tusk
Whatever
humble yarrow
I thought I said they where both on the 11th
gilded carbon
fleta attempting a smol amount of trol
tawdry hamlet
#freeivy
mortal cipher
oof
tawdry hamlet
I miss the fusion ivy 😦
meanwhile jjonak goes from being washed to top tier back and forth every other game lmao
ok nvm maybe don't free ivy
that blossom attempt was a literal meme
like the if I wraith right into their team they will never see it coming type meme lmao
mortal cipher
lol
ivory stag
is this vs ai?
mortal cipher
usually when someone wraiths theyre going to death blossom
tawdry hamlet
Philly died for this 😦
tawdry hamlet
I wish philly was just a little bit better, they are so fucking stacked
tawdry hamlet
they have like the 3rd best on paper roster int he world after shanghai and dallas
idk where shock fits in there
mortal cipher
yeah
tawdry hamlet
since on paper they stacked too
ivory stag
but will dragons beat atl?
tawdry hamlet
yeah but I mean like on paper, the mechanical power, not like the actual game results just in pure like star power philly and shanghai have like a top player in every role
shock is close as well
tawdry hamlet
Dallas with xzi was definitely up there, idk how they are with pine instead but if we go on his previous performances then dallas stacked on paper too
tawdry hamlet
it is just so annoying because smurf super choi is top 3 tank line, violet fdgod on paper not in practice is top 3 support line, and nero striker glister isn't even a bad dps line but it just isn't working nearly as well, granted they have only lost like what 3 games this season but still
tawdry hamlet
yeah that is fair, I mean shanghai is somewhat similar, they have a top 3 support dps and like top 6 tank line and they are losing some games they shouldn't be
but shit there are so many support lines that are top 3 worthy
chengdu, shanghai, philly, san francisco, lag
dallas too
Moth and Shu, Leejaegon Iziyaki Molly, Alarm, Funnyastro, Tobi, Jecse Rapel Fielder, Nisha Mmonk 1987 yveltal
so many stacked support lineups
willow tartan
numbani, Shanghai, ball...
earnest leaf
shock just needs to be consistent
tawdry hamlet
yeah we have seen nero diff the best echos in the league we just need him to do it more than once now
earnest leaf
when they look good, unironically still the best team in the league, but they can't stick to that level all the time
but then they have the games like vs outlaws/reign/dallas and they look pepega
tawdry hamlet
so are Violet and Fdgod still a top 3 worthy support duo or have their flops made them drop a bit in the tier list?
oh they have twilight as well I forget
so shock are a top tier support lineup I think
ornate rose
earnest leaf
yea still a top tier support line
willow tartan
definitely
worn hornet
so do those suicides stick if they were caused by tech issues?
tawdry hamlet
idk man violet moira looks kind of memey
earnest leaf
His moira looked good
just not vs reign
But I look forward to seeing shock go 3-1 or 4-0 on the qualifiers, then get 3-0ed by some team in the first match of knockouts
willow tartan
look forward to seeing philly not qualifying for knockouts
willow tartan
philly gets into grand finals again and goes 6-0
tawdry hamlet
Tier List of team support lineups, not power rankings, just support lineups, any changes, I am so contemplating on Dallas and Florida because Gnj is a beast
might move justice down one
next mesa
shock is close as well
idk nero doesnt gimme rascal or fleta vibes
although
he has been doing pretty good
earnest leaf
nero's echo was unironically carrying shock
willow tartan
nero vs leave when
tawdry hamlet
now I got to do a dps lineup tier list I think 
this will be difficult
because most teams have solid dps lineups
worn hornet
put Void on it too with those 31 elims/10min
tropic herald
Atlanta Shanghai Dallas S+ dps lines the rest don’t matter
willow tartan
void led the league in damage in 2020
tropic herald
I’m a Shanghai fan mostly
earnest leaf
God imagine if shock still had ans
tropic herald
But I do like Florida
earnest leaf
fucking tragedy the man retired
willow tartan
free choi
earnest leaf
dps is the easiest role to stack up good talent usually
tawdry hamlet
2 of the 3 dps at least 
willow tartan
I thought flex support had the most good players
dusty hound
dps is the easiest role to stack up good talent usually
i mean dps is the most played role after all
earnest leaf
Flex support/Ot are the most contested roles
fast tusk
What
ivory stag
Danny got calves
fast tusk
What happend i thought it ended
willow tartan
Oh actually yeah, because usually you don't want to change your support line
tank line not either unless there's a hero neither can cover
ivory stag
dannys shoes be fire too
tawdry hamlet
uhh dps lineups I have this but the s and s+ tier are pretty fluid as far as who can go in which one
since florida and reign and shock and glads when they are popping can potentially be s+
and chengdu when flopping can be just s
barren quest
Luigi going to mald over Paris in D
tropic herald
uhh dps lineups I have this but the s and s+ tier are pretty fluid as far as who...
I have decided to be insufferable
Chengdu dps line way too high
tawdry hamlet
I could not decide between s or s+ but it is mostly leave stonks
tropic herald
Philly too high
tawdry hamlet
the rest just meh
dusty hound
i would argue the defiant should be one higher bc heesu is a good hitscan and if they manage to keep aspire they actually have potential
willow tartan
nice guys shanghai
mortal cipher
indeed
earnest leaf
shd know they're gonna 3-0 anyways
mortal cipher
i feel la titans and london are always bottom
mortal cipher
nice guys shanghai
wot they do again
tawdry hamlet
I would put philly lower but rascal carpe eqo shockwave is so stacked
mortal cipher
yeah
earnest leaf
I might put florida and glads in A tier tbh
dusty hound
i feel la titans and london are always bottom
hard to think they were champs back in season 1
tawdry hamlet
ehh, bqb and yaki been doing alright, birdring and kevster have been a little shaky though
willow tartan
ksp kinda cracked tho
mortal cipher
hard to think they were champs back in season 1
all the good players left London
dusty hound
sad but true
worn hornet
Now I'm thinking about how Boston could've been the Shock if we'd managed to keep Crusty after S1
mortal cipher
sad but true
yeah
mortal cipher
Now I'm thinking about how Boston could've been the Shock if we'd managed to kee...
they had striker as well
willow tartan
why have all the hybrid map picks been numbani
worn hornet
everybody likes numbani I guess ¯_(ツ)_/¯
mortal cipher
i feel bad for JJonak NYXL 12 game streak and nothing
and hes good and nei win
its going to hurt to see when pine comes in
dusty hound
and the fact that the team was built around him make it even more depressing
worn hornet
sneaky Dragons
willow tartan
why does ivy play doomfist here
mortal cipher
good question
willow tartan
why did fleta go on the soldier
mortal cipher
this is slaughter
willow tartan
whats with fleta and playing soldier man
dusty hound
why did fleta go on the soldier
to get quickly to point and stall
mortal cipher
i guess testing it out
willow tartan
to get quickly to point and stall
I thought the fight was already won, mightve missed it
tawdry hamlet
I mean based on this season
mortal cipher
yeah
dusty hound
ur telling me ProFits < happy danteh
and sbb is in soul too
willow tartan
sbb is seoul's tracer player right?
tawdry hamlet
probably would have put seoul one up
mortal cipher
i think
next mesa
profit is better doe
willow tartan
why does he exist
mortal cipher
it did nothinng
next mesa
bruh let sms play reaper smh
dusty hound
is like ta1yo in the shock they have them so no one else can have them
mortal cipher
lol
willow tartan
that's why they have twilight
tawdry hamlet
he was a project for crusty to work on while their other dps were playing since rascal ans striker is like the best dps lineup the league has ever seen loll
but twilight is just bench so others can't have I think
and his ana is useful obviously
mortal cipher
and they only have one left out of that
mortal cipher
wait did that one guy ever get proper signed
not sure
dusty hound
that's why they have twilight
they use him as their ana specialist but since ana is hard to use in this meta he doesn't see a lot of play time
true hound
damn
ivory stag
oof
mortal cipher
yike
worn hornet
they get what 15m break before the next game?
dusty hound
you hate to see it
tawdry hamlet
how the hell the east region so dog ass this season, I mean I guess we just didn't notice last season idk
fast tusk
Get shit on nyxl
willow tartan
I think they're just inconsistent af
mortal cipher
yikes
fast tusk
Trash
mortal cipher
that feels bad
mortal cipher
yeah
supple prism
so far i have gotten all the wins correct, just none of the scores
tawdry hamlet
I think charge, spark, valiant, nyxl, are all just not great, and then seoul plays with their monitor on 50 percent of the time, philly loses easy fights and shanghai gets 3-0 then 0-3 the same team like a week later and chengdu gets like a week of success and then everyone figures out their comp and they floppers again
next mesa
did dragons sweep
tawdry hamlet
so confusing
next mesa
i predicted sweep
supple prism
yes
dusty hound
how the hell the east region so dog ass this season, I mean I guess we just didn...
apac is always inconsistent
dreamy cave
It's not 2018. It's a different roster. It's not 2018. It's a different roster.
willow tartan
I think charge, spark, valiant, nyxl, are all just not great, and then seoul pla...
3-0 or bust
next mesa
I think charge, spark, valiant, nyxl, are all just not great, and then seoul pla...
pretty factual
dusty hound
Chengdu is a literal meme
dreamy cave
They only have jjonak. I cant be too upset
next mesa
mayhem is prettyconsisntent
plain bramble
Gladiators are good up until they are required to try, then they just flop
next mesa
although they got slapped around by justice
tawdry hamlet
mayhem is consistent certain metas they just lose the advantage
fast tusk
A red vs red
plain bramble
no Reinhardt is really killing them
tawdry hamlet
like when they had rush they could beat justice, but when monke got relevant they went brr
mortal cipher
so far i have gotten all the wins correct, just none of the scores
same i got atl score exactly right
willow tartan
yeah a lot of OWL teams can perform really good and run away with stage titles if they get the right meta
plain bramble
I believe the Titans will be WAY better once Reinhardt comes back into play
tawdry hamlet
meh
tawdry hamlet
both metas just really don't like them 
dusty hound
I believe the Titans will be WAY better once Reinhardt comes back into play
nah, no bumper no win for the titans
plain bramble
Honestly the Titans are the best winless team
tawdry hamlet
even with Changsik upgrade the only team they have a chance against besides london is toronto if toronto memes one day
Paris has gotten stronger
plain bramble
I mean, the Titans can pull themselves together against teams like the Shock, but I only saw one map where they could do that
they certaintly pushed Fuel a little bit, but not enough to make it count
tawdry hamlet
Linkzr and Dalton are washed af and Fire and Roolf are dog water 
Linkzr has a good game like once every three maps
Dalton is just ok
plain bramble
Dalton just needs to move to a different team
willow tartan
first instance of red on red here
plain bramble
he doesn't synergize with the Titans playstyle
dusty hound
that's why he got cut from the outluls
tawdry hamlet
like who though, there are no teams in need of a mediocre hitscan who don't have someone better than dalton already
other than london
loll
hybrid sucks
plain bramble
London could actually use Dalton well I believe
if the rest of the team weren't utter dog-shit
mortal cipher
Honestly the Titans are the best winless team
true
fast tusk
La valiant vs london spitfire: the toilet bowl
plain bramble
speaking of Dog-Shit, the Valiant 
tawdry hamlet
Blase and Shax are the only good pieces on Spitfire
and shax only when tracer around
plain bramble
Valiant is so much worse then Spitfire
sullen berry
speaking of Dog-Shit, the Valiant <:ZaryaLUL:230399560055259136>
that's too high praise for them
plain bramble
it isn't even a comparison
tawdry hamlet
if Valiant had a main tank, it might actually be competitive vs London tbh
dusty hound
La valiant vs london spitfire: the toilet bowl
whoever wins that match get a instant pass to the playoffs
plain bramble
If Valiant had a team-
fast tusk
Lmao
plain bramble
I doubt anyone wants to play with the Valiant anymore after that little stint they tried pulling
willow tartan
if valiant gets a proper main support
plain bramble
if valiant gets a proper main support
big if buddy
tawdry hamlet
eh, as much as I hate valiant their dps are the same tier as Vancouver which are both worse than London, dps wise. London falls short on tank and support more than dps
dusty hound
if valiant gets a proper main support
and give the boot to silver3
plain bramble
Vancouver has good supports though, it saves them a lot of the time
willow tartan
at least it's not roolf
tawdry hamlet
no they don't lmao, roolf and fire suck ass
actual worst support duo after Kellex and Ripa
willow tartan
valiant support duo is better
tawdry hamlet
they better do an all star toilet tourney this season or I riot
willow tartan
and one of their supports isn't even a support player
tawdry hamlet
dusty hound
i just want them to win the breadsticks and i'll be satisfied with the titans
tawdry hamlet
we need a tourney bracket with like Charge, TItans, London, Valiant or something lmao
would be funny af
just the toilet tourney
but tbh charge would win
willow tartan
Charge would dominate
tawdry hamlet
idk who another toilet team is that could play since paris really leveled up and would probably win
willow tartan
throw in a contenders team
sullen berry
just the toilet tourney
mate it's all these teams need for more exposure
and a bit of clout
plain bramble
Honestly Charge and Titans aren't even that bad, they definitely are way better then Valiant and Lond
tawdry hamlet
Titans are the same, but charge is far better
willow tartan
charge yes, titans no
tawdry hamlet
sullen berry
bottom table teams would be more competitive than s1 Shanghai by a mile
tawdry hamlet
Titans even with Changsik upgrade still play like a ranked stack and don't have confidence in executing their plans
supple prism
eh
tawdry hamlet
is odd to watch really
sullen berry
they'd technically be underage unless you put the current s4 players in a time machine
tawdry hamlet
where as valiant just yolo it and die and London the tanks insta die and fight over lmao
willow tartan
I mean overwatch has leveled up a lot since season 1
sullen berry
Titans even with Changsik upgrade still play like a ranked stack and don't have ...
seems like a push and pull problem here on the direction of each teamfight. Sometimes it sticks the landing
supple prism
s1 dragons were bad but also apparently had a hard time getting scrims with teams because they were bad
sullen berry
s1 dallas problems except your name is Vancouver titans
tawdry hamlet
Cross Region Toilet bowl would be lowkey sick but also not very nice to the mental health of the players lmao
sullen berry
willow tartan
oh God if they play fleta soldier
dusty hound
Cross Region Toilet bowl would be lowkey sick but also not very nice to the ment...
is a gold opportunity to yoink some wins if anything keep them winless is worst to their mental
plain bramble
Titans just need their Reinhardt back
I can see them quickly becoming a mid-tier to mid-top tier team
tawdry hamlet
hopeful
plain bramble
Hey, they have the most potential tbh
Considering they actually gave the Fuel a little bit of a fight
tawdry hamlet
I guess, but the only map they have won this season is the toronto c9 map where they played beast and logix right?
or did they take another somewhere
plain bramble
I think they took a map against the Shock??? I'm not too sure
I think they took 2 maps so far
Honestly back to the top teams, it's hard being a Gladiator's fan
plain bramble
I can see the match going either way
being an Outlaws fan probably is more dissapointing
tawdry hamlet
hmmm, I mean yeah but outlaws were always meh so the fans knew what to expect, but this season I would say it was more like woohoo we finally taking a couple wins
willow tartan
at least you don't support philly
plain bramble
I'm honestly missing season 1 OWL
plain bramble
the only team I really don't support at all is the Valiant for obvious reasons
tawdry hamlet
I support Philly for the talent on their roster, but the performances
always so close
I mean when you have Astro Poko Shockwave Mano Eqo Carpe Rascal Tobi Alarm Hotba, you are pretty stacked
dusty hound
the only team I really don't support at all is the Valiant for obvious reasons
but let's be real, anyone like the current valiant?
plain bramble
No, they suck, both the team and the staff
willow tartan
I mean when you have Astro Poko Shockwave Mano Eqo Carpe Rascal Tobi Alarm Hotba...
where did boombox go
dreamy cave
plain bramble
god I hate the Valiant so much, all for just that 1 stint they did
dusty hound
where did boombox go
he got cut last season
plain bramble
This honestly looks closer then it appears XD
tawdry hamlet
the desk were all Atlanta as well, and we get Uberx on the cast 
plain bramble
I'm rooting for the Reign but I know Dragons are pretty top-tier
dusty hound
but he played in the fusion uni during the visa isues of funnyastro, poko and shockwave and let's just say they havent lost yet
sullen berry
Hawaii diff time
plain bramble
I wanna see lee play lucio and boop everyone
tawdry hamlet
well yeah they took like 5 A-S tier players and a top eu main tank and shoved them in contenders in the weakest region
no way funi wouldn't roll
plain bramble
Pelican the meme-y boy!
dreamy cave
Double bird trouble let's go hawk and pelican
plain bramble
Edison be relaxing doe
dusty hound
no way funi wouldn't roll
they usually emote in the enemy spawn bc they were so powerful
sullen berry
@balmy wolf who do you have winning, the YT chat concerns me
willow tartan
Lijang GG win
sullen berry
LJG TOWER
mortal cipher
leegaegon tower
mortal cipher
lol
tawdry hamlet
Shanghai is good but they still haven't shown their monkey, so it is very possible reign can do it
mortal cipher
it was dynasty
plain bramble
Ah okay
willow tartan
ez dubs bois
fast tusk
Ayy
mortal cipher
hopefully atl stufied that game
tawdry hamlet
shanghai needs to just mirror neo goats already idk why tf they won't they would probably be way more competitive
fast tusk
They said my name
dusty hound
leejaegoon tower is an ez clap unless reing pull out something out of their ass
tawdry hamlet
Did shanghai whip out soldier again 
mortal cipher
ja
tawdry hamlet
They just refuse to play echo lmao
mortal cipher
and creamed out atl
mortal cipher
basically they refused when goat was a thing
dusty hound
metan't
plain bramble
Reign holy COW
dusty hound
basically they refused when goat was a thing
i though those were the hunter who play ball 3 dps
plain bramble
that was just... un-natural
tawdry hamlet
Atlanta Doubters and Apac Simps 
plain bramble
THEY FINALLY PLAY THE ECHO
plain bramble
and it was too late
mortal cipher
i though those were the hunter who play ball 3 dps
shanghai did it too
fast tusk
Lets go reign
plain bramble
oop Dragons back in control
dusty hound
he gave up he embrace the meta but Atlanta has to much advantage
plain bramble
Ooof Iris
dusty hound
shanghai did it too
oh i didn't remember ii just remember the hunters for some reason
plain bramble
Lip poppin off!
mortal cipher
oh i didn't remember ii just remember the hunters for some reason
they did it too but dragons won
dusty hound
epic
mortal cipher
wow
plain bramble
Lip is on another level holy cow-
tawdry hamlet
who would have thought once they play echo instead of soldier they win again
plain bramble
he carried that
humble yarrow
Edison is trolling
mortal cipher
echo is just better
willow tartan
who would've thought putting fleta on the hero that won him MVP status last year would make him play better
tawdry hamlet
so what you are saying is, shanghai is going to play meta and lose 4-2 dallas again
plain bramble
so Reign did learn
dusty hound
so what you are saying is, shanghai is going to play meta and lose 4-2 dallas ag...
perhaps
tawdry hamlet
out of all the teams to be playing shanghai right now though at the beginning of the season I don't think anyone thought it would be reign lmao
mortal cipher
so what you are saying is, shanghai is going to play meta and lose 4-2 dallas ag...
you never know
plain bramble
this isn't Reign's map
mortal cipher
i said4-3 dallas
plain bramble
Hear me out, 4-0 Dallas
mortal cipher
but it could be 4-2 again
tawdry hamlet
I have dallas 4-2 shanghai in the final
mortal cipher
lol
tawdry hamlet
willow tartan
hear me out, seven map reverse sweep
dusty hound
this isn't Reign's map
but they won vs the nyxl here
mortal cipher
i put 4-3 but now im seeing 4-2
tawdry hamlet
the nyxl played really bad tbf, but reign won control against dallas but it was just barely so it is hard for them to beat shanghai who are on a close level to dallas when they play meta
plain bramble
atleast the reign could touch the point this time
Dynasty are looking on in jelaousy
jealousy*
mortal cipher
lel
tawdry hamlet
eh until Dynasty get a real tankline they will never be consistent
mortal cipher
yeah dynasty just got slaughtered
plain bramble
Edison is finally trying
fast tusk
Reign figured them out
plain bramble
and now the Reign are winning
mortal cipher
at least its an actual game not a one sided match
dusty hound
they got the reddit lucio special
plain bramble
^
mortal cipher
lol
willow tartan
this is an expensive fight
worn hornet
they keep going back & forth I'm gonna have to stay up until like 3AM
mortal cipher
same
plain bramble
Reign have figured out the Dragons
cobalt thistle
SHOCK OUTDATED 
SUPER OVERRATED LONG HAVE WE WAITED JJANGGU ACTIVATED
dusty hound
they keep going back & forth I'm gonna have to stay up until like 3AM
at least this is the last game of the day
supple prism
reign is favored to win
cobalt thistle
nice!
plain bramble
3rd map
cobalt thistle
I haven't checked in on reign or dragons in a while.
plain bramble
THE DOOMFIST
mortal cipher
at least this is the last game of the day
true
plain bramble
When Pelican doesn't switch
next mesa
When's seoul gonna get a real coach fr
willow tartan
double shield diff
mortal cipher
who knows
earnest leaf
sym beam is unironically oppressive when she gets to hold point
plain bramble
NVM I WAS WRONG
willow tartan
wait does sym beam charge on sym wall
fast tusk
Doom diff
plain bramble
wait does sym beam charge on sym wall
It's a shield so techinically it does?
fast tusk
Sym diff
worn hornet
sym beam is unironically oppressive when she gets to hold point
multiple symms in MH is literally the worst thing ever
willow tartan
Lipfist
plain bramble
Pelicanfist vs Lipfist
REAPER
That was a wasted ult
how the hell did Reign lose that?
mortal cipher
yeah
plain bramble
that's the first map
mortal cipher
yep
plain bramble
Close map though
willow tartan
this is the win condition for Shanghai against dallas
worn hornet
amp matrix at their spawn is just mean
willow tartan
get lijang
mortal cipher
leegaeng tower
willow tartan
pepelaugh
plain bramble
It's going to get a whole lot closer now, since Lijang is already gone
mortal cipher
leegaegong tower
willow tartan
Atlanta pls pick a hitscan map I wanna see Kai vs lip
ivory stag
they gonna pick volskya
plain bramble
Volskya would be really good for Reign
willow tartan
volskaya would be really good for dragons too
plain bramble
It's also one of the Dragon's worst maps IIRC?
ivory stag
but they wont switch out kai
mortal cipher
It's also one of the Dragon's worst maps IIRC?
dont rememebr
mortal cipher
ah
plain bramble
one of their highest win percentages last season
They're going against one of the best teams though, so that number might be fabricated by their lack of talented tams
teams*
willow tartan
well it's not about the percentage itself
if Shanghai racked up the percentage because ez games then all their maps would be high
but volskaya is noticably higher
plain bramble
so, what about not subbing Kai in?
willow tartan
Kai vs Lip matchup lesgoo
plain bramble
I think this match-up favors Kai
ivory stag
lip gonna wreck kai
mortal cipher
maybe
willow tartan
judging by past events this is gonna end up in a draw
mortal cipher
yeah would make sense
plain bramble
judging by past events this is gonna end up in a draw
Ot
It's either draw or close Reign win
dusty hound
fate really went in like "g'day fellas how is it going"
willow tartan
lip already merking kai
mortal cipher
oof
ivory stag
looool
mortal cipher
this is not good
willow tartan
and that's what you love to see Bois
ivory stag
should have kept edison
willow tartan
Dragons diff
mortal cipher
honestly
dusty hound
if only they had mirrored dallas yesterday lmao
ikr
mortal cipher
as they said where was this shanghai
willow tartan
playing ball soldier
tawdry hamlet
Moon smoked the pipe and hard threw because they had to get more practice in because there aren't enough good teams in apac to scrim with
it was all a long winded plan
willow tartan
5head move
tawdry hamlet
obviously
dusty hound
they just wanted to play more games
mortal cipher
how fast was that round
willow tartan
drop first game so you can play nyxl and Atlanta which both play rush
ez experience against dallas
dusty hound
that actually makes sense so maybe
sullen berry
tokens and owl skin on check btw @balmy wolf
mortal cipher
lol
dusty hound
he prob fatfinger
dusty hound
4
mortal cipher
4 iirc
willow tartan
no void why
next mesa
Oh nice
tawdry hamlet
man everyone knew reign was mid tier but the monke rush comp allowed them to make their way through until a team actually plays their best heroes
I think with atlanta people couldn't decide to mirror or play best heroes
dusty hound
bob mvp skin when?
willow tartan
when we get Ashe MVP player...
mortal cipher
that be nice to see an ashe mvp
willow tartan
lip MVP this year Ashe skin?
dusty hound
sadly they say there would be no more mvp skins bc of sinatraa
mortal cipher
really
tawdry hamlet
if only, atlanta, had someone that wasn't masaa
willow tartan
no more MVP skins because blizzard are pussies
mortal cipher
welp
willow tartan
I've never heard a single person say they don't like the concept of MVP skins
mortal cipher
the only mvp skin i have is sinatraas
willow tartan
they're just a nice cosmetic thing to have
mortal cipher
I've never heard a single person say they don't like the concept of MVP skins
me neither
mortal cipher
they are just a personality onto the character based of the player they were known for
willow tartan
they might not like the skin or the player or the team but it is what it do
shang9
tawdry hamlet
winnable
mortal cipher
i got the mvp skin because alien skin looked kul
willow tartan
let's gooo
dusty hound
I've never heard a single person say they don't like the concept of MVP skins
when the alegation against sinatra A LOT of people wanted a refund for the skin that's why they change it to delete the owl links
fast tusk
All hale bob for capping point
willow tartan
when the alegation against sinatra *A LOT* of people wanted a refund for the ski...
refunds are stupid
tawdry hamlet
yeah if you think people didn't want to get rid of the skin then you must not have looked at twitter that day lmao
dusty hound
yes
mortal cipher
refunds are stupid
fr
willow tartan
<a:catJAM:741258872559501322> yeah if you think people didn't want to get rid of...
not the specific skin I mean the concept of MVP skins in general
mortal cipher
sad i couldnt get the fleta skin but it is wot it is
willow tartan
I've never heard a single person that plays Overwatch saying that we shouldn't celebrate season MVPs with a cosmetic
mortal cipher
me neither its amazing
maybe the fact that if you dont get it you lose it forever but wotever
tawdry hamlet
If I am being honest the only mvp skin I would even consider buying is zen, I really don't care for the alien or the echo skins
I have the echo one though
but it just felt so underwhelming
like they took echo and made her the nba logo lmao
mortal cipher
the only mvp skins that theyve made that i okay is zen
dusty hound
I've never heard a single person that plays Overwatch saying that we shouldn't c...
yeah everyone like the concept but we dont know if the player end up being accused of a crime that may be a problem for blizz and is easier to get rid of it all together
willow tartan
yeah you might not like the skin itself but the idea of MVP skins isn't bad
worn hornet
5 minutes for 1 tick this is shanghai's map to lose
mortal cipher
ive only started playing echo because of mystery
ivory stag
when will hanzo get a mvp skin lol
willow tartan
yeah everyone like the concept but we dont know if the player end up being accu...
they're bitches
tawdry hamlet
I wish I had da old all star skins
willow tartan
lipfist?
ivory stag
have brig, zen, widow and echo
dusty hound
they're bitches
yep i want all 3 mvp skins but i didnt have tokens and didnt feel like giving money for them
mortal cipher
yep i want all 3 mvp skins but i didnt have tokens and didnt feel like giving mo...
i didnt have online available but i oly had like 100 something so i couldnt anyways
next mesa
Same
ivory stag
i just want baset ana pink mercy and demon hunter sombra back missed em
dusty hound
in the reddit ama they say some owl skin may come back like the all-stars so theres may be hope
mortal cipher
id be nice if they one time bring back they limited time skins
worn hornet
This is ridiculous but mad props
mortal cipher
honestly
fast tusk
Fr
worn hornet
get this guy on production
tawdry hamlet
fr tho
dusty hound
damn this guy is a god
mortal cipher
honestly
dusty hound
id be nice if they one time bring back they limited time skins
i would speedrun my way to the jjonak mvp skin and the lucio all-stars
mortal cipher
5 maps in a row yikes
willow tartan
Atlantic mercy kinda poggers bro
mortal cipher
i would speedrun my way to the jjonak mvp skin and the lucio all-stars
honestly id do that until i got them all
mortal cipher
Atlantic mercy kinda poggers bro
yeah
willow tartan
stop fucking picking goddamn motherfucking numbani
mortal cipher
i wanted the rein but didnt have enough sad
mortal cipher
yeah
ivory stag
King's Row and Echinvald : Am i a joke to you?
mortal cipher
lol
willow tartan
outside of how it plays I don't even like the numbani aesthetic
willow tartan
wait who picks hybrid if teams draw on assault
ivory stag
lol
dusty hound
wait who picks hybrid if teams draw on assault
the one who lost koth
willow tartan
O ok
dusty hound
i think
ivory stag
ball away skin for shd looks clean ngl
willow tartan
atLanta
dusty hound
look like a lucioball prop
fast tusk
Nice
tawdry hamlet
amazing how shanghai playing meta when they are the second best in the world at said meta start to win
who would have thunk
willow tartan
second best?
tawdry hamlet
that the answer when you have a roster talent advantage was to mirror
ivory stag
i think dallas is gonna whip em though fate to thick sculled on using ball
dusty hound
amazing how shanghai playing meta when they are the second best in the world at...
yeah but soldier ball = the funny™️
willow tartan
no
no soldier ball
if Shanghai reverts to soldier ball during grand finals that's just proof that overwatch is scripted
ivory stag
nah run bastion pharah KEKW
dreamy cave
Dragons lose to Shanghai because fate will or fleta will die.
mortal cipher
I have Dallas winning regardless of comp tbh
same
willow tartan
I could see all the stages being Shanghai, Dallas and two random teams that are never the same
plain bramble
no reinhardt is ruining a lot of these teams
ivory stag
what comes after june joust?
willow tartan
Like maybe in summer showdown it's Dallas, Shanghai, Shock and Philly
plain bramble
summer showdown I believe
tawdry hamlet
Atlanta were honestly pretty meh in the rein meta this run is the best performances they have had all season. Dallas won both rein and soon monke metas hehe
mortal cipher
well
mortal cipher
this is an oof
tawdry hamlet
and they go brrr to the semi finals
leaden fable
is this live?
mortal cipher
ja
willow tartan
that attack on pelican was coordinated af
mortal cipher
this is just pain to see
leaden fable
is there a way to know if it’s live or a replay
leaden fable
well i mean for future reference because i always ask lol
tawdry hamlet
I really don't see rein being available really helping any teams beat Dallas, I could see shanghai since fate isn't a known rein star lol but Dallas has every single role besides hitscan just locked down
leaden fable
ahhh got it, thanks
mortal cipher
how
plain bramble
Thoroughly convinced they need to replace Edison
mortal cipher
revenge match
slow lodge
Atlanta's fucking boomed
mortal cipher
I'm really liking this rivalry
its nice innit
tawdry hamlet
Edison has been hit or miss, some maps he flops but some maps he doesn't, very interesting
mortal cipher
Atlanta's fucking boomed
honestly
plain bramble
Edison is too incosistent
willow tartan
I really don't see rein being available really helping any teams beat Dallas, I ...
if Sombra and tracer wasn't banned on the other hand
tawdry hamlet
I mean, sombra and tracer weren't banned and dallas won
leaden fable
atl tanks are so bad wth
plain bramble
Gator is alright, it's Edison who's really flopping here
tawdry hamlet
the tanks have lowkey leveled up this series shanghai is just better
not this series
willow tartan
I wonder if the meta will revert to braindead rein rush in NA during the summer showdown
tawdry hamlet
but this tourney run
plain bramble
I see Edison being replaced before Summer Showdown
leaden fable
no one peeling for pelican 
fast tusk
Finally
plain bramble
the reaper is supposed to peel for echo, and yet Edison isn't doing much of anything
tawdry hamlet
they aren't going to replace edison mid season for losing a series against the second best roster in the world
nobody even thought they would make it this far
leaden fable
edison for a kill 
fast tusk
Omg
tawdry hamlet
and then 3-0 happened lmao
willow tartan
huge
plain bramble
Shock just... fricked right up
mortal cipher
pretty much
dusty hound
and then 3-0 happened lmao
yes my pickems got fucked because of that
leaden fable
dragons win this fight 10:/10
mortal cipher
yeah
tawdry hamlet
I am waiting on what the meta shifts back to first, before I make any predictions
mortal cipher
yeah
plain bramble
If it shifts back to Rein, I can see Shock Dominating
mortal cipher
good choice
tawdry hamlet
if it shifts back to rein I will have to put washington down to da bottom
Mag off Monkey is a meme
plain bramble
if it shifts back to rein I will have to put washington down to da bottom
Valiant deserves the bottom spot
not Washington XD
willow tartan
if it shifts back to rein I will have to put washington down to da bottom
paris stonks rise
tawdry hamlet
nah, Daan was a hardcore feeder during rein meta remember lmao
but with a new ms
maybe
willow tartan
feaster or feeder
tawdry hamlet
both at the same time
willow tartan
either way I want to see it
tawdry hamlet
loll
fast tusk
Oh thank god
plain bramble
Gator Ball
willow tartan
Atlanta mirroring ball wtf
plain bramble
Reign showing signs of life!
willow tartan
sparkr clap
plain bramble
and as soon as I said that
mortal cipher
oop
plain bramble
no more Valiant please
Valiant just needs to go away from the OWL, they tainted their image
tawdry hamlet
Vancouver did the same thing in s3 tbf and they still here loll
literally imploded the best roster in the world
second best
but still dumb
leaden fable
rip it’s over
willow tartan
lipfist baby
plain bramble
Vancouver did the same thing in s3 tbf and they still here loll
well, atleast Vancouver actually let them know
Valiant was just
NAH
tawdry hamlet
yeah but the players left because the org treated them badly in the first place, so it isn't like it is much better, at least they didn't sign someone from overseas and then drop him without warning
dusty hound
Valiant just needs to go away from the OWL, they tainted their image
even if they want to, they need every player to retire and even then they may be forced to get new players to fulfill the owl contract
fast tusk
Yeseeee
tawdry hamlet
Adam needs a shot somewhere for the love of god pls
willow tartan
lol
fast tusk
Oh my fucking god
willow tartan
Shanghai better not drop the ball here...
plain bramble
even if they want to, they need every player to retire and even then they may be...
Or just have them go down to Contendors and get a team that's actually wortwhile for OWL
fast tusk
My heart is pounding
mortal cipher
that the best case is a draw
mortal cipher
Or just have them go down to Contendors and get a team that's actually wortwhile...
true
that be for the better
plain bramble
They have to go 6-3, otherwise it's a draw
willow tartan
Valiant needs to be sold to 100t
plain bramble
I want Valiant to be slaughtered in Contendors
hollow bough
Im assuming Dallas won right
plain bramble
OH NO
hollow bough
daamn
worn hornet
gg
hollow bough
lol i just tuned in to
leaden fable
rip
hollow bough
too
plain bramble
the 3-0 damn
leaden fable
edison so trash
dusty hound
Or just have them go down to Contendors and get a team that's actually wortwhile...
but honestly even the most desperate player wont sing with valiant after seeing what they done and the reputation the team have
willow tartan
Lets fuckin Goooooo
mortal cipher
welp
leaden fable
so are the finals fuel v drag?
dusty hound
epic
willow tartan
Yep
leaden fable
or is that the semi
plain bramble
but honestly even the most desperate player wont sing with valiant after seeing ...
Yeah, the Valiant ruined themselves so bad
plain bramble
or is that the semi
Semis
hollow bough
Once again, shanghai vs fuel
mortal cipher
wow
plain bramble
Shanghai vs Fuel is the finals
mortal cipher
revenge match
dusty hound
you love to see it
mortal cipher
indeed
ivory stag
fuel gonna win either 3-0 or 3-2 tomorrow
dreamy cave
Gg.
weary widget
lets gooo
fast tusk
Now i actually want dallas to beat dragons
mortal cipher
it says atl wins lol
fast tusk
I cant beleive im saying that
remote timber
plain bramble
Reign did put up a fight though
hollow bough
Was the reign game close?
weary widget
every map, yes.
overall score, no. 3-0 but who cares about overall score
plain bramble
this was no means commanding as what they would have you believe
hollow bough
I didnt catch all of today basically
hollow bough
I was kinda rooting for atlanta but I also wanted to see another revenge game
weary widget
as a SHD fan im happy
weary widget
hopefully SHD beat Fuel this time
hollow bough
series 1 lol
plain bramble
Eh, I'm not really a BIG supporter for either team, Fuel gonna stomp SHD
willow tartan
this was possibly one of the closest 3-0 I've ever seen
you serious?
weary widget
Eh, I'm not really a BIG supporter for either team, Fuel gonna stomp SHD
yeah probably tbh
tawdry hamlet
first map was close enough, the rest were just rips
weary widget
i hate it, but dallas fuel is the better team
willow tartan
I don't think we saw the same match
plain bramble
the dallas duel lmfao
willow tartan
Hanamura was a roll
mortal cipher
first map was close enough, the rest were just rips
yep
hollow bough
Im more of a dallas fan than a shanghai fan
mortal cipher
Hanamura was a roll
pretty much
plain bramble
I'm a neither fan, I'm a Gladiators fan
mortal cipher
Im more of a dallas fan than a shanghai fan
sannligr
golden viper
lol NA production
tawdry hamlet
I just want shanghai to keep losing because supporting the best roster is the ez route, you gotta be an underdog simp
willow tartan
I just want shanghai to keep losing because supporting the best roster is the ez...
fuck dallas
plain bramble
Hopefully one day the Gladiator's actually get to go to a big event, the Summer Showdown is their time!
mortal cipher
oop
hollow bough
I wonder if shd is gonna pull the ball 76
weary widget
I just want shanghai to keep losing because supporting the best roster is the ez...
fuck that support the team you want
mortal cipher
I just want shanghai to keep losing because supporting the best roster is the ez...
lol
willow tartan
if they ball 76 against Dallas I'm gonna kill myself
mortal cipher
pls dont
tawdry hamlet
tbh summer showdown depending on how things go meta wise could be the glads time to shine
they have the pieces
earnest leaf
Soldier vs dallas round 2 lets go 