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bruh if u want to be disappointed root for seoul
Profit fans since he's been a huge presence since s1
idk about you
and Levy has a colossal brain usually
I was lunatic hai when thev because they lost to envyha
And envyus just beat orgue my fav team
idk what the fuck their coaching is doing half the time with their sub
Nah bandwagon is shock dallas or shanghai
You're not a proper shock fan unless you were a S1 fan π
so nah
Geng got to lck finals
Fuel is MAKING the meta rn and you're calling them metaslaves 
wdym "making the meta"
Got swept by dk
and yet they consistently disappoint
nobody is playing doom genji lmfao
just like seoul
But not that bad
dallas is just playing meta like everyone else
I don't even get the whole metaslaves thing. The whole point of meta is it's the 'Most Effective' way of doing things. Why would you not do that
because if u played anything else for .2 seconds u would flop
Idk what u talking about
good teams that never cross the finish line when it matters
and once that strat isnt good
the people onetricking it will flop
idk what east is playing
Isn't the whole point to be good at what is currently meta 
Yeah this is such a dumb argument trying to say a team is bad for using the best option to win. If the meta is bad then that's on the game balance team not the teams in the owl
And even then said team is using their own picks that nobody else can pull off
But you rooted for bunker abusers soooo I cant take you seriisly
meh it just sucks to watch this comp
zzzzzzzzz
seriously**
I know I cant type
Pain
shock shanghai finals for june joust plz
a meta can't even be 'bad'. The whole point of a meta is it's the Best way to do things. People just don't enjoy watching certain metas
We rlly getting punished for finishing first seed zzz
if seoul was in id say shock seoul for a rematch
Shock need to get bounced
a meta cant be bad but it can be a terrible viewing and playing experience π
Alright guys who you got Atlanta or shock 
Shock most likely
Glads fans can't even be satisfied that they gave Fuel a good fight 
But I can see the match being close
shock is gonna beat dallas regardless
And I mean they need to be swept
havent they beaten them twice so far
Agreed, but then everyones views on viewing experience vary a lot. You could ask the best meta in this channel and get 20 different answers lol
unless dallas doesnt get knocked out by a apc team
Shock beat them once last week
Yeah that's why shock won May melee and dallas didn't. Oh wait
I hope shock doesnt even get a single pointπ₯
On the off chance Atlanta beats shock I have Dallas winning the whole thing I think π€
yeah sure, its not like im hating on dallas, its just that i dislike watching this neo goats mirror and they are the biggest offender
was the may melee meta echo reaper winston dva moira lucio
shock got 3-0'd back when they had all their best heroes and then got sunk here after a close game
It was rein dva bap lucio cree and then tracer or sombra
Tehy deleted their watch party vod
and some mei occasionally
I lost all respect for them after that
Fuel came in with sym/mei and snapped the meta in half
For fuel it was Ana brig winston dva tracer/sombra/echo
Dallas won rein meta and is flexible for this meta. 
and then Fearless put the fear of god into shanghai with his monkey in two great matches
shock is lucky that ults charge so fast in this meta, they were heavily punished for misusing ults in losing fights in the may melee
Imagine being 2x world champs
It's all irrelevant anyway, all that matters if the final playoff balance changes that screw things up and fuck over most teams π
true
And being a bad sport after a sweep
But people just can't accept that an underdog is good now 
Imagine if the Titans were in Fuel's spot rn
agreed. last yearβs final playoffs meta bullshit was absolutely unacceptable
People have accepted dallas are good what?
Playoffs meta was good
nobody is saying dallas is bad
imagine if dallas kept the old roster
most people have been saying they're either #1 or #2 since the may melee
It was fun and exciting
I'm excited for New York
You guys are weird
have you not seen the tens of thousands of rage posts on the official forums?
Dallas should be good, I mean they did kind of spend a shit load of money to build a super roster
people are PISSED lmao
Forums are forums
official forums omegalul
dude if you scroll the official forums you have brain damage
And so does everyone else on there
Spark

It's a useless void of hardstuck silver players
Nyxl exposed the spark
oh so thats how they got in
fam official forums were begging blizzard not to nerf mercy during moth meta
officials are full of asshurt Shock and Shanghai stans
valiant somehow kept philly from getting in
For being the worse team to be number one seed
Philly also lost a map to valiant which helped since it knocked philly out
Remember 4k res
lets be real, philly kept philly from getting in, if u lose a map to the valiant its on u
Forums were defending htat bs
Yeah π
Froums almost as bad as reddit
Pain
Very satisfied with eqos performance over both series though 
beaten by every apac team 3-0
not true
but philly just choked
Shadowburn iS better
Coming in like a week before the match once he got his visa and matching choisehwan and Eileen depending on who played what is pretty epic

free choisehwan π’
π
Genuinely before season started thought charge had one of the best dps lines
CSW to.shock
Then Kaylee lost his brain
Give charge nero back

True only 4 out of 6
rio is uhh
Or 3 if eileen starts
Rio has been shit
Crong has pop off moments, Rio is an orisa one trick kariv dies too much and Mandu is just ok
he hasnt played cause he dies first every fight
Kaylee has good mechanics but his positioning is very poor
they gave up shu for kariv π’
Kariv is probably one of my favorite FSs
Lots of fights in the philly games where they had full ult advantage and with nano blade had the easy fight win but kariv gets picked and they lose because they can't nano

honestly i feel bad for kaylee but he cant compete with the better dps in the league
even in the pre season show matches he looked like ass
Kaylee needs to fix his very poor positioning
fam if u wanna see poor positioning watch jimmy from the hunters
I had stonks very high then but now π
Kaylee needs to retire
Kids ass in every Aspect
watching chengdu vs philly on dorado was something else
It's called, we do a little trolling
leave killing everyone while jimmy walks to the spawn and dies
twice in a row
trying to flank philly spawn as widow
Jimmy missed an easy shot on Carpe
when he missed that shot i malded
Which costed his death and entire map
he had infra up too
I think if Atlanta win this it gurantees a Dallas victory 
not if the fleta torb has anything to say about this

honestly i think
Flex God fleta
if u wanna beat dallas

wait what edison still exists?
Edison is still in the team yes
Who winnin shock or reign?
Probably shock
who won last fight
Good start for the Reign
Oof
Pelican is such a good echo
WOW
btw who won last fight ?
PELICAN DIFF
gator WINSTON tho
It's uhh mechanically existing but the comp they're running works with his style good
dps diff rn my god
Violet dies 
poor viol2t getting hunted
viol3t dies again
Pelican diff
Lmaooo
just a support diff tbh
Ouch
wait wtf
smurf doesn't want to lose
smurf is the only one who wants to win
Crusty needs to curbstomp viol2t again
Les gooo
he's turned his brain off
there's legit been so many fucking remech kills today
its getting ridiculous
easy never doubted
how is atl doing this good against shock
YEEAAAA
but got beaten by glads
wow

ATL always does well vs shock
PELICAN DIFF
I won't even mind marbel smugness if it means I get to laugh at draw
these games are always close between the two
they gotta put violet on main support again, he's trash on this moira
don't give hope up yet
looks like this is gonna be a good game
maybe thats what made them better
shocks have a chance
βSan Fran Shock is fantastic, they just need to work on communication, aim, map awareness, ability usage, ability combos, ultimate usage, recontesting point, peeling, damage, healing, and getting kills
control is always unpredictable, the real test begins on the other map types
Sf shock is amazing, they just need to learn how to play the game
shock has more competitian this year
where's super when you need him
lol
I was quoting this
whats wrong with shock
nothing
Shock doing their throwing at the beginning of a series
eat that turkey leg
When they communicate they are really good, remember how hard Nero fucked and the Smurf juggle on the ultimg lucio, the Dallas game showed they got mechanics but sometimes it feels like they can't properly coordinate what they're trying to do
And then violet or striker falls and it snowballs
I did predict a 3-2 for shock though
so my preds are looking good
Also atl hunted viol2t down the whole time really well
Pelican getting way more damage in compared to nero as well
viol2t did the death a lot
pretty dumb take ngl
We just gotta wait for what wacky ass playoff patch goes in
And see all the teams boomed but like 2
then those teams go to the finals
yo hero pools trash
thats a stretch
just wait till play offs to see
atlanta is favored this meta
when shock lose to a team without a favored meta, maybe
I think their era being over and them not being good are two different things, like their domination era is over sure but their still a top team

if they dont get a threepeat then yeah
Yeah really just comes down to finals
i mean i they aint bad but shock didnt expect any real threat
free tick
Glister tracer meme
lel
Pelican and Choisehwan are insane rookie echoes 
1-0 atl
yeah that;s
Actually bonkers
1-0 atl
shock are planking
that's just a diff diff
I mean
difference diff tbh
No team that went 4-0 in qualifiers, made it to hawaii
π
warmup diff
"Denies the Bob", fdgod dies
LMAO

WHAT
sheeee
GG
OMG
What the fuck is this
sheeeeeeeeeeeeeesh
ez
πΏ
if shock gets 3-0'd im gonna never touch overwatch again lmao
whats with this mei pick
that was so fast
lmfao
fdgod straight up bad at the game
its not like nero cant play echo
What was Dallas glads score
Dude I am so hype to spite draw 
3-1?
WHAT AM I WATCHING BOIS
nothing to see here, just people who enjoy watching sfs lose
what is fdgod DOING
what a fucking monkey
make sure to download shock costream before they delete it
FDGod?
You mmean FeedGod?
Best at dying for no reason
fdgod is just not used to owl lobbies, his account stays in plat
I miss ans 
violet hasnt gotten ultyet lol
lmao, fd was literally and probably still is top5 supp
we cant let them get away from this
Obviously Im kidding
he's still feeding tho π
π
everyone has a bad gaem
Debatable
thats why we are all criticizing fdgod, bc he is supposed to be top 5

fdgod's had bad GAMES
what games
the 4-0 curse
shock legit 6-1 right now
nero and striker finally for their first ult
Yeah fd god has a bad game every time the shock play
who were 4-0 philly and houston???
lol cuz they used to winning
Iβm just happy I got into qualifiers
glads were 4-0, houston, spark
WJ were 4-0 as well and missed it
Nice one nero
houston were 3 -1
oh, don't get me wrong. Im rooting for dallas fuel
4-0 = no hawaii
right
saved his team
but seeing fdgod is painful
who are you
from being totally clowned
i eman team
Boston

Im the entire Boston organization
ah thats a pluse
Iβm every single player on the team and the staff and the management and the owner and every sponsor and everything
caude theyre gonna delete it
whats happening it that stream ?
Ah hello Robert Kraft
makig so many excuses
Hi
Im not a shock fan shock is like my least fav team
blaming ping
he just st8 up feeding
shock are garbo lol
atlanta are playing this comp rly well
When shock get 3-0d
How do u make a e sports team?
Money
Yes
shock prob had one too many big macs from mcdonalds today
lets go reign
LMAO
Yes
Alot of lgbtq are attracted to overwatch
Ew why
even though overwatchs i even more toxic than lol
seeing pine would be lit
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
IM A PRUD PELICAN FAN
What's the phrase we're looking for here?
My 3-2 pred is still alive
lol
"Shock washed"?
lmao shock watched
love to see an underdog story
Shock so bad
Whatβs the score
2-0 reign
for atl
Lol
imagine losing atlanta
shock boston tier now 
PUT IN SUPER
LOOK AT THAT REPLAY Lmaoo
Yo Marbel
Play super you coward
@balmy wolf LETS GO BB
the question is did atl get stronger or sfs are just washed lol
My nan the #1 Shock hater is now a part time Atlanta simp
Shock arenβt washed
this is a good meta for atlanta
Sfs is just bad
They have gotten worse
titans > shock
Valiant > Shock
london > shock
the teams have gottne better sure
The turd in my toilet > shock
i dont want atl to win this
I don't think anyone does, I think it just gets over hyped up, like when shanghai lost 3-0 to chengdu and everyone was like omg shanghai sucks sort of thing
they wont do shit in june joust
but you there is no excuse for getting swept in a playoff match
Can I view the current june joust matches in the overwatch league viewer or is it only season games?
4th Dimension > Shock
and be first ones to get knocked out
This weeks matches will release around Tuesday
I think
Shock dont deserve to be in season playoffs playing in this troll way
hard agree, especially with the fact that loser gets map pick
@devout path i see thanks
Why does W OMEGALUL W looks good on ads but when you run the game its just a bunch of squares and circles in low def?
IThye need to go through play ins
if u cant even win on a map that u prepped for u need to go back to the drawing board with how u prep
FDGOD is worse than moth
Supports throwing and pelican popping off π΄
moth is like ljg level support
Losing so many shock coaches really stressing crusty
nice to see mercy and moira played in the owl :)
moth doesnt die like ljg tho KEKW
TVIQ fs > Viol2t
It has been 0 days since the @SFShock have lost Hanamura
ljg makes more plays
OMG SUPER
guys
super is here owugheogiwjg
why is this a thing LMAO
when will the live end
i cant wait for kai vs glister
normally shock dont lose hanmura
super looking like he already lost.
cause they rarely lose hanamura
wait Shock already stopped the watch party
Eh, ljg feed meme gets overhyped he's pretty good at big plays but sometimes he will hard battle mercy and get checked lmao and it's so funny
super looks like he is debating his life decisions
icic
Put me in shock I donβt lose hanamura
i dont really keep up with the maps
super really going to hard carry
imagine not having a 100% winrate on hanamura
winnable
I believe in my strimer
this feels like deja vu from yesterdays game
lets go super
hollywood monka
avenge smurf
Shock doesnβt have a mental boom
if SFS loses, its all on super
lmao true
That reminds me of the daily Ronald Reagan facts page where every day they just post "yup still dead"
did they just lose hanamura
yupyup supers fault always
poor super
anyone gonna be watching floyd v logan?
Y'all ready for the reverse weep? Where sfs looks like they turn alive just to have fdgod disrespect an ultimate with bad positioning?
damn
yeah atlanta always does well v shock
wot if
that game where they beat the shock on rialto was amazing
Game that often lives in my head is that titans upset in s3 on Atlanta
Saucy tire

whic one
glister ult charge
the rialto game
ah
where atlanta sent shock to the loser's bracket
there are a few other memorable maps
like eye of the kaiser
you mean in 2019
C9999999 heh
ans v philly ilios incident
u can see that fdgod doesnt play mercy lmao
headshot after headshot shanghai kings row was pre good too
isnt he a lucio onetrick or something?
Diem on busan downtown 
i thought he was
idc lmao go fuel
4k
rip diem π’
FDGod
i saw him on mercy a lot though this week on ladder lmao
sad diem left
sheeeeeeesh
fdgod? more like fdgone
Find a new game please
he can't stop dying
fdgpd os sp bad
I wish seoul was consisten
he just cant
this guy is maldign so hard lmao
fdgod is so bad*

yeah
literally always dead
he is
fdgd always dying first smh
when hes probably plat himself telling others to swap game
Me too profit is so gooood
malding over bunker just now, now malding over fdgod
why is this season harder to predict than previous seasons?\
KEKW
bro i think its just pelican
super bouta retire to stream full time, probably gonna make more money too KEKW
sfs should just pick me up to be their mercy otp π
yep shock is doodoo now
the script writers man
fdgod and viol2t are not bad players
If youre a pro player
they have really switched it up
meta shifting
and play grey screen simulator
Pelican_diff.exe is now running @tropic herald
whats otp
@balmy wolf Looks like you were getting hyped so far
you dont deserve to be a pro player
they might as well pick up chipsa to keep em alive KEKW
IM SO PROUD OF PELICAN
absolutely
??? one team has to lose
one trick pony or one trick for short
what are u smoking
]
Im taking that a bit too far
@remote siren fdgodhater.exe started
sorry
this guy seriously flaming someone on a top3 team last season and now on shock that is 7-1 to not deserve pro
lmao
someones a salty shock fan
pelican > nero change my mind
I gotta admit that they are underperforming quite a bit under expectations this season
I hate the shock
fdgod dont die first challenge
u need to calm down buddy this isnt soccer
pelican > entire shock team
me on mercy > fdgod mercy
Im a lakers fan so ive been in a bad mood all game
Pelican aim 
so fuel probably wins another tournament
who are the lakers
leave duh, he prolly has a nasty mercy too
shoot pelican challenge
did glats win?
SHEEEESH
did fuel win may melee
yoo
SHEEEEEE
good night shock
no 3-1
ok
lets go atlanta
stop pelican challenge. Go!
SHOCK DIDNT EVEN LOOK AT PELICAN
I'm jk btw
did fdgod die first literally every fight
NO WAY
Atlanta is rolling wtf
after this loss, san francisco shock will be san francisco coma
this is making me look forward to an atlanta vs dallas game so much
bro
shock not looking good
atlanta may win this but as soon as they get to Hawaii they will be dropped so hard lol
the end of a dynasty
Is pelican wearing a camo skin???????????????????????????
welp
how much did atlanta pay fdgod
fax lmao
Depends on how new York play
did he play for reign
bring moth back
is it possible for the shock to sign me up mid game and sub me for fdgod 
Yo shock getting ROLLED
depends
Yeah new York is one of those to me that when they're hot they're hott
u know what shock need to do?
sign me up
get taiyo to fucking one trick mercy now
Ive been stuck in diamond for like 3 years and im convinced I would do a better job then FDGOD
Tbh twilight should learn mercy lmao
AHAHHAHAHAH let all of these mercy haters in the owl one trick mercy now
Bro I dont even play support
how the tables have turned
hes like a one trick lucio
lmaoooo
fdgod again
fd god dod again
dude fdgod always the first to die
guess who died first
literally isnt he a one trick lucio
i hope that was ironic
fdgod dead against]
I mean, when you see it on camera, fdgod is full of holes.
fd dies again
the worst part is that he would do better than fd
what an anaimal
why tf is pelican just sitting there shooting them uncontested
pretty sure
Pelican is the best echo in the west
This guy is so bad
fdgod fails when rein is banned damn
houston and shock, putting their lucio one tricks on non lucio characters 
why
f-eed- god
shock need to sign some mercy otps from top 500 now
I don't want to blame it entirely on fdgod because to be fair, the dps are not checking pelican whatsoever so all he has to do is click the supports ez win
theyre not gonna play
fr
"Ive been stuck in diamond for like 3 years" youve said it yourself, now maybe stop talking you cringe
why is super in?
fuel just ride the top bracket
i agree
shut up
and atl bottom
Dps are not even looking at pelican leaving fd wide ass open
?
FDGOD is actually trolling
i feel thats happening
No
I dont want to lose to gator monkey
Lmaooo Reign lost the point and immediately murdered the team
its not a funny thing to say or if ur not joking its just fucked up
they have performance anxiety
shock is just dod
Go Florida
good that you do
honestly
Maybe
omg glister
i mean
No
If they look at pelican they win
Ksp looking like valiant ksp again 
for sure it doesnt help that shock doesnt have a dva peeling for the mercy rn
so yea
Look at pelican challenge. Go!
they lost theire mercy
why super orisa? not smurf?
pelican really just not being shot at at ALL
atl is gonna lose in june joust who cares
They wanted to share losses
gonna get rolled by either nyxl or shanghai
It's just fun series 
lets go shock i stil believe
Go Florida
how fdgod is performing should be showed to everyone who says mercy is easy
kai really out here
she is
KAI
this is just owl
LMAO
are atlanta 4funning?
super went bighead
π SO LUCKY
that body block
Hmm
WOW
altanta9
Shock tanks op tbh
another c9
have u reached gm on mercy
c9 to give them false hope?
how lucky are they getting
no ill get gm on a non zzzzz hero
ja
sure
3.1k support so far though π
Mercy is the easiest hero in the game still lol
2 time champ mvp runner up best in the world Super! Body blocking strat
hold up
KAI KAI
FDGOD needs ot go back to tier 2 wher ehe belongs
WAIT
thats what u say when u know u cant get gm on mercy @balmy wolf
nahhh
hold up
nero really out here
lmao are u srs
he's just not clicking with shock
it literally depends on if your team is ass or not
he was popping off with paris last year
oh no
Striker or nero needs to shoot pelican
so that fdgod isn't just sitting there being shot loll
People forgetting fdgod looked perfectly fine for the past 4 matches
hwo do you lose that fight
fr
ignore this dark guy lmao. hes a malding shock fan
from what I saw, shock were trying to run the monki rush again
literally every excuse for hardstuck players
yo watch any mercy unranked to gm and come back here and say that
Also this isn't only on fdgod lmao
same with every other character. Just because mercy is more reliant on her team doesnt make her easy.
which probably means they weren't focusing on the orisa as much
@warm pelican mercy is the easiest hero in the game
Sorry I keep over reacting
the mental gymnastics is real lmao, they cant accept a good player playing bad
brig moira junkrat bastion rein exist
Idk rein requires a bit of brain lowkey tho 
rein lol
mercy is significantly easier than all of those
go play bastion in masters/gm
lmao gg
brig is actually harder to play than mercy now
and you said rein?
gg
what 4-0 curse
lmao
he said rein is easy
yup rein is the equivalent of mercy on tank - now how hard he is depends on how hard u think mercy is
Every team that has gone 4-0 in qualifiers never made it to hawaii
imagine calling rein an easy hero
The team I always bandwagor is always super trash
every hero is easy to be trash at
easiest tank to play
rank?
in what world?
masters
doubt
can send a screenshot :)
I mean tbf heroes can be easier than others doesn't mean you can free ride to gm on them I think they're just saying it's slightly easier

this
omg
ah
Mercy is 100% the easiest hero in the game lol
doubt
yeah but people call heros "no skill heros" and ignore that people have gotten to gm on them and they havent
just because mercy is easier than ana doesnt make her an easy character
my heart is legit pounding
tell that to the plat mercys that queue with 4.6k peak cree eboys
anyway the way u play mercy has to be team dependent
think moira is easier
Pelican taken a sip baby π₯
easy heros =/ good heros w/ carry potential
lol
discussion pertaining to owl
there are heros who are easy to do the bare minimum but every hero is hard to be good at
Moth pog
I feel like mercy has the lowest ceiling
Atlanta need one tick?
ok
yes
no wayyyy maybe lowest floor but nah
good bye shock
moira
Not even. just breathe on fdgod
exist: the hero
then who does?
why didnt they sub in twilight
Holy crap. My PickEms! π¦
he wouldve done much better
draw!?!?!?!?!
Oof
come on shock
i dont think so
over viol2t?
the heros with a lower skill ceiling than mercy
for fdgod
twilight plays flex iirc
ok
playing mercy in an environment against dps players like pelican and kai cant be easy
still wouldve been better even if he played ana
one fuck up and ur head is gone
nah cuz you get rolled by the dmg boost
holy crap what a slaughter
π
yeah they gotta put viol2t on main support at this point
lmaooooo
gg
mercy has a low skill floor high skill ceiling
geeg
gg
yes fd is obviously playing bad right now but people acting like he doesnt deserve owl and say that he should retire lmao
its still not over?!
wait wtf
the higher you go the harder it is to play mercy
π
winnable??
gggggg
damn
holy crap.
jfc that was funny
3-0
masaa just better funny frog man
@stuck radish
Letsss go
EZ
...
glads didnt lose to atl
AHHHHHHHHHHHH
GG
Shock so bad
what happened to shock
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEESSS
sfs so washed
LESSGO
washed?
ggs
lmaaaaooo
DUB
super is so sad Sadge
SHEEEEEEEESH
lets goooooooooooo
π€£
glads wouldnt of lost this
my goodness
bad team confirmed?
Atlanta and NYXL going to the June Joust lmao
I get nearly all the scores perfect during the week then get the two qualifiers wrong? ew π¦
oh no fdgo dcrying
LETS GO @balmy wolf
time to find a new team to follow lmao
damn 3-0
Underdog celebrations always feel so wholesome like Seoul when they beat shanghai and were goin wild
https://twitter.com/HanamuraShock/status/1401692600772481024?s=20
it has been 0 days since the shock has lost
It has been 0 days since the @SFShock have lost Hanamura
I think glads would've been rolled
Fdgod is crying, I wish I could hug him
SHOCK STRUGGLING AGAINST WEAKER TEAMS AGANE
did thye lose hanamara
Id be crying if I played how he did
SHOCK CONFIRMED MID-TIER TEAM
dude u legit shittalked him all game dude just leave already
almost lost against justice
holy shit this dude
and now a 3-0 from reign
fuck off
reign are my favorites to win the entire tourney lol
Atlanta isnβt a weaker team
i dont think u should go near him, u might kidnap him to the t2 scene
actual plat dogs in this chat saying fire fdgod lmao
bring back rein and he'll pop off
omg
Not in this meta
nah bro atlanta is ass
keep crying salty shock fans
Shock got kek'd
my heart
frist dallas then reign
fdgod wasn't the only issue
is pounding
I probabaly would hop on a time machine and put him in kungarna
he was the main issue