showcheng?
#esports-discussion
raw ermine
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raw ermine
krystal's worse than mol
next mesa
dalton is worse than krystal
raw ermine
krystal does do flex dps, too
earnest leaf
i'd be better than silver3
raw ermine
showcheng, silver3, dalton, krystal, roolf, highbee
barren quest
Just wondering how bad is Highbee on main support
tropic herald
Honestly if you make a team out of the worst players at each role I’d have Silver3 from valiant but i don’t think I’d have any other valiant players
next mesa
who else then
tropic herald
LateYoung OT
tropic herald
Kellex Roolf support line
ok
tropic herald
HighBee can just play Brig and he gets more value than Kellex
Support line of London is just 
kind ridge
roolf highbee silver3 showcheng dalton molanran
that would be it
remember valiant isnt the worst team rn
its london
devout path
rough preds
kind ridge
vancouver to go winless
kind ridge
devout path
why pred paris to lose
its true
devout path
vancouver to go winless
titans play fuel shock rip
kind ridge
why pred paris to lose
you not see how boston play
plush grail
you not see how boston play
how much is lily paying u
sullen berry
why pred paris to lose
Paris ftw
kind ridge
how much is lily paying u
lily how much are you paying me
devout path
lily how much are you paying me
othing
tawdry hamlet
With how the season is going either fuel or shock will drop a map to titans and surprise everyone again lmao
earnest leaf
they most likely won't
titans are actually hyper dogshit
No one individually can do anything to beat shock or dallas for a map
tawdry hamlet
Also I forgot lateyoung existed for some reason in my head Elsa is the only chengdu off tank lmao
tropic herald
Hangzhou 🤝 Chengdu
Having a 12 man roster for 0 reason
tawdry hamlet
Literally like hz I can kind of see because situations with lige and having so many rookies but chengdu literally is pulling a shock hoarding 1987 all for themselves 😭
I just want architect out of spark jail, that team sucks
tropic herald
From a Reddit thread, not necessarily true but the user who posted this had other juice on Valiant too...
mortal abyss
So fucking scummy
next mesa
of course
hot onyx
roolf highbee silver3 showcheng dalton molanran
Somebody is forgetting the existence of Colourhex
hot onyx
Suppose you’ve got a point
I’d just personally take Molanran over Colourhex in that scenario since what I saw from him in season 3 was painful to watch
raw ermine
huk said he outdid some korean dps players in trials
next mesa
but now hes just gonna be permabenched because valentine
tawdry hamlet
if he was allowed to play ashe he would have been far more impactful than he was but since they got jerry they made colorhex a hitscan with like one flex hero play mei
sadge
and now with valentine who is surely better they will never play him
I don't particularly see colorhex beating im37 on ashe or widow but you never know
he has been grinding the heroes hard and plays hitscan almost exclusively on stream
trail perch
Hot take, molanran isn’t bad
On echo he has looked more than serviceable
Same as tracer
Colorhex is def the worst flex in the league
barren quest
No way to tell how good Colorhex is this year until we see him actually play
Same with Fusions
tawdry hamlet
Dalton has genji but he is really hitscan
tepid ibex
Hot take, molanran isn’t bad
idk if this is a hot take, molanran seems to be the best player on valiant ngl
noble nexus
wya????
tepid ibex
idk, molanran seems better
trail perch
Krystal is never a bad pick for best on the team
He hasn’t been as dominating as on spark
But he has just been very clean and consistent
kind ridge
i think krystal is the best part of valiant
kind ridge
or whoever isnt last in their role rankings on ibm watson
tawdry hamlet
#freeteru
unironically the best pickup by vancouver and of course he is the Korean one
I saw jake talking about how he vpned to play Korean servers and that everything is like 10 times more refined and harder at the top level and that if you have good enough ping and aren't taking advantage of the free practice apac servers offer you are never going to be the best
maybe that is why new Korean talent is so good
because the top level there is just so much harder
earnest leaf
Because in Korea the culture around gaming is so much more modern and accepted
So people don't feel bad for grinding like crazy, and all of their pc lounges people can go to
devout path
ah I found it
https://twitter.com/jakeow/status/1359798121941917701?s=20
Where colourhex at :(
slow lodge
ah I found it
https://twitter.com/jakeow/status/1359798121941917701?s=20
Soon's on there
tawdry hamlet
He's the only new Zealand player in the league he couldn't fit on the list 😭
Also yeah I miss soon he was a favorite of mine 😭
He was like the NBA journeyman of the league, never the best ever but always dependable for some wins when you need him 
stuck radish
mortal cipher
lol
tawdry hamlet
I have been watching apply stream recently and he is actually entertaining af
he also has a following of 16k so glad he found a career after owl 
tawdry hamlet
forest raven
tawdry hamlet
in a way season 4 doesn't even feel like owl anymore, it just feels like the end of owl
slow lodge
i feel like a lot of players will retire
sullen berry
It really do be like that if they’re not interested in being on another roster - might not be that Bae wants to continue after making a career out of Overwatch for essentially 6 years if you include the Pre-apex days
5 years
plush grail
not onigod = not relevant
slow lodge
I bet Rascal will retire too
tawdry hamlet
Eqo rascal double projectile meta please owl make it happen somehow
😭
Genji echo we need it 
slow lodge
little tusk
forest raven
@tropic herald About that dps diff 
tropic herald
Bro it was a 5 map series
forest raven
Besides some shoddy dupes and one or two decisions nero fucking pounded
Striker somehow managed to reaper diff sparkle
And Glister was Glister
I thought Doha was gonna poo all over nero
tropic herald
Glister got to play hard hitscan knowing he had no one to mirror
forest raven
forest raven
quaint aurora
tawdry hamlet
I was watching godsb stream earlier
he was kicking ass
there was also one other english viewer in chat so I still had someone to talk to loll
tawdry hamlet
Hmm I guess so, when's the last time godsb played
next mesa
Diem
:(
first ans
now diem
diya not signed
jehong becomes sexist
what else are u gonna take away from me???????????????
noble nexus
owl is getting more and more depressing by the day
tawdry hamlet
Libero not signed, soon having visa issues and retiring, valiant imploding,
Also that other thing with former MVP and stuff. Year has been sadge
noble nexus
this has unironically already been the worst year for owl
noble nexus
actually yeah but we still have most of the season for shit to go wrong
by the end of this season it'll overtake s3 in terms of being a terrible, terrible year
tropic herald
No, I don’t think so, this year we have the best owl format ever and legitimate home stands
We also have real viewership
These three facts just make it impossible for this season to be worse than last season
barren quest
More competition at the top level as well
tropic herald
Yeah the games are actually competitive
next mesa
the bot games are still pretty bad tho...
tropic herald
the bot games are still pretty bad tho...
You’ll never have to watch Florida Houston Washington in goats anymore
raw ermine
imagine today's florida vs washington in goats
earnest leaf
Production this season is also 100x better
barren quest
Face cams were a really nice addition
mighty pivot
Production this season is also 100x better
Yes
gentle lichen
Yeah the games are actually competitive
ngl contenders is kind of intense as well
limber pine
I enjoy watching FU rampaging through EU
plush grail
I enjoy watching FU rampaging through EU
dont say the f word please
but it must suck
imagine being a trials team
and a few days before the start
u get the news that fucking poko eqo and funnyastro will be there
sullen berry
I’d like to think that’s how it must have felt in EU contenders last year when you were up against BH
Obey alliance eventually had their way and broke one of the longest perfect map win streak across multiple seasons
plush grail
gentle lichen
?
tawdry hamlet
I was reading a thread about how everyone should have expected Hurricane because even on their winning streak they nearly lost to avoided and dropped maps in like every other one of their last few series and lowkey now that I think about the fact avoided almost won all of eu contenders that's kind of a bruh moment.
plush grail
paris >>>>>>>>>> titans > london
tawdry hamlet
idk man titans have looked pretty fucking awful even with their schedule of facing houston dallas and shock iirc
who tf is swimmer I never remember this guy from Boston ever existing
plush grail
idk man titans have looked pretty fucking awful even with their schedule of faci...
nahhh
this schedule is fucked man
tawdry hamlet
every main support before halo is kind of a blur
plush grail
rest of them were either above average or top tier
next mesa
wait I thought paris was #1 team
tawdry hamlet
I meant their upcoming matches are shock and fuel lmao
unfortunate
how am I supposed to get tokens with matchups like these man
plush grail
still fucking dumb how this wasnt a day 1 match
battle of the EU teams
thet did battle of texas and stuff
tawdry hamlet
obviously linkzr will diff dallas because no hitscan he will pull a glister ez 
tawdry hamlet
yeah I do loll
remember when a team with an easy talent advantage didn't know how to play horse lmao
plush grail
ellivote > fury
tawdry hamlet
fury also played really bad yeah
plush grail
im willing to bet they underprepared
''we can take a week off, we face boston and paris this week''
tropic herald
Justice just don’t got good coach go
plush grail
Justice just don’t got good coach go
no paris is just good
tropic herald
I don’t even think paris played super well that match
tawdry hamlet
I thought their coaching wasn't that bad, I had a friend who played for a college uni in virginia thats program is sponsored by them and he always spoke highly of the justice staff he met, their manager is a professor at that college as well
tropic herald
Aside from kaan and naga
tropic herald
I thought their coaching wasn't that bad, I had a friend who played for a colleg...
Yea but just watch their macro
Bad macro almost always leads back to coaches
tawdry hamlet
fair, another thing, I am surprised ttuba hasn't played yet, I thought all the scrimbucks said he was getting better and then we never saw him, guess he just doesn't have an echo
ah he doesn't have a hanzo either I think, I assumed he did
tropic herald
Ttuba isn’t tragic but also he plays like Pharah and Genji
tawdry hamlet
yeah I assumed he had a hanzo or something guess not
liquidpedia says sombra but I doubt it is better than decay or assassin
I just like to appreciate the fact that Dallas ran Paintbrush over Closer almost exclusively
kind of a bruh moment
plush grail
paintbrush is funny tho
tropic herald
He has a good Sombra but assassin has a better one
plush grail
super very funny but not good too
tawdry hamlet
tropic herald
Never forget Cloudy was offered a spot on glads in preseason
tawdry hamlet
imagine cloudy rein in may melee
I watched his rein in contenders since iirc he was on last seasons winning team and it was crazy
in february of 2021 when rein wasn't nearly as viable he was rank 1 in both eu and na on a rein only account lmao
what a beast
ah he won with revival 2 seasons ago
noble nexus
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RGXHZL8DDyU this gives me unfathomable amounts of happiness
sullen berry
Maybe a little too much
tribal canopy
I dont want to be pesimistic but is it possible that he might leave after this video and the twitter thing?
next mesa
You know that Twitter thing was a joke because of ow2 5v5
tribal canopy
I mean his banner not his tweet
earnest leaf
he legit just started for their past two games full time
noble nexus
they aren't gonna make a "sing along with smurf volume 1" if he's leaving
the twitter banner was probably just an accident
tribal canopy
I hope so
tawdry hamlet
Yeah in a non rein meta losing Smurf lmao no thanks
noble nexus
I don't think it'd be that bad for them
they wouldn't be winning tourneys
but super has a decent winston and orisa
and they just kinda play well when he's in regardless
but with smurf still being an option they're obviously gonna be playing the better winston/orisa
devout path
only correct answer
slow lodge
Fusion in
devout path
boston and shock 4-0
slow lodge
I'm having a tough time deceiding on my NA preds
Shitttt
this week gonna be fucking good
devout path
im so excited to see @plush grail cry
slow lodge
what team are they
raw ermine
justice 0-4 yikes. not saying I disagree or agree, just yikes
devout path
what team are they
paris
devout path
justice 0-4 yikes. not saying I disagree or agree, just yikes
they play mayhem and shock
so kinda rip
raw ermine
yeah they're kinda fucked
raw ermine
imagine going 0-4 with mag fury decay
noble nexus
yeah if they don't start improving 0-4 will end up being their reality
devout path
yeah if they don't start improving 0-4 will end up being their reality
i dont see it with mag orisa
slow lodge
Yeah
raw ermine
KDG is weird
you'd think he'd be good with how he did with philly last year, and anything else would go against what I said previously
but we suck
so it's his fault? idk
tawdry hamlet
Some might say the fusion only get second place, but at least it wasn't third place in grand finals
Although 4th is worse it's fun to make fun of shanghai for losing that matchup
I love how the meta changed at the last second to benefit a team with double off tanks lmaooo
Seouls poor coaching paid off in the long run by chance lmao
raw ermine
"paid off" doesn't seem like the right word
tawdry hamlet
I mean second place is still like 400k I think
raw ermine
well
paid off, to me, implied the coaches being bad at coaching somehow helped, not literal money
tawdry hamlet
Fair but didn't they run an off tank on main tank last season? Wasn't that like the joke everyone talked about
raw ermine
it's more than seoul were an independent group of veterans, and a few rookies, who got a good meta in the playoffs
tawdry hamlet
Fits underrated lowkey
Nobody ever puts him in the tier with carpe ans diem decay Xzi etc when he's honestly like pretty high up in my personal list
tawdry hamlet
Yeah, also stitch looked like he had improved a ton in the Washington games, having so much space he was actually able to shoot stuff since decay makes more space than roar lmao
tawdry hamlet
Surprised stitch didn't get an offer from like Boston or Houston. They must have already had their sights on happy. And after those two he'd never go back to Vancouver lmao
Even if he'd be an upgrade
raw ermine
stitch, according to jjanu, seemed similarily done with OW
the titans split messed them up
tawdry hamlet
Rip, I miss meko
Honestly Houston with junkbuck jecse rapel meko jjanu danteh happy ksf would be cool 
Was it jecse or fielder who was on outlaws I always blank
Because when I watched s3 often times boink was in
raw ermine
jecse and rapel were on houston s3
tawdry hamlet
Ah ok yeah
tawdry hamlet
What's wild is if you made an owl team this season with half of Paris s3 roster they'd be like top 5. Imagine Benbest hanbin Xzi sparkle Fielder fdgod in s4 that's like a dream team besides Benbest
All they were missing was fearless and rapel 
Wow someone make that happen! That sounds like it could be a good team
raw ermine
ben is still pretty damn good
tawdry hamlet
Yeah fs, wish that Paris team did better
raw ermine
also, that was s3 paris
you're just saying "what if paris didn't sell 80% of their roster to dallas, and drop the rest?"
it would be good, especially with rush
tawdry hamlet
Yeah, I mean if all the players on s3 Paris performed like they are in s4 they'd be top 3 is what I meant
Which is kind of wild considering they were trading top 3 with valiant mayhem and reign iirc
raw ermine
it's complicated
s4 dallas is s3 paris, without xzi and the french players, but a stronger korean core
the meta they got that led them to the win was fortunate without a HS
tawdry hamlet
Not being mixed and rush getting the best out of sparkle and doha certainly has helped 
raw ermine
yeah
tawdry hamlet
Sparkle specifically has stepped it up hard this season
Went from a genji doom two trick to a top flex
Well pharah too
How good was haksal on the flex projectile? Was he as good as his genji on any other heroes or was he just meh to libero
raw ermine
his genji was out of this world
it was near sparkle in terms of genji
his mei was excellent as well
his doom was top tier as well
other than that
I think he had a good pharah
didn't see him play echo
hanzo neither really
he is mostly known for 3 phases
genji
brig
doom/bit of mei
then implosion, then he dithered around being forced to play a mediocre sombra on NYXL s3
it was sad
tawdry hamlet
Yeah, in my head Canon in s3 I had top 3 genjis at haksal sparkle Eqo/Eileen Then below them in a tier under is Agilities he was pog in ss
Who were the best main supports, I didn't remember fdgod being as hyped as he was when shock picked him up I thought he was just a good not great support
Moth, ljg, and who else
raw ermine
fdgod was good s3, we just didn't know about him beforehand
funnyastro was solid, although didn't play in double FS meta's, mostly for lucio/mercy
chara, tobi, kris, all solid
tawdry hamlet
Oh yeah that's the other thing, have main supports just moved to cover Baptiste as well, I see main supports play him sometimes in double fs
Or was it always that way
next mesa
otherwise hes like a solid A tier, maybe low A if I lowball imo
tawdry hamlet
Imma be honest is it a hot take to say fleta didn't deserve mvp last season
raw ermine
you could have 2 MS, or 2 FS, or one of each
next mesa
yeah
I think fleta def deserved it lol
like ok
u can argue
maybe x deserved it more
tawdry hamlet
Maybe im biased because hitscan player 
tawdry hamlet
Actually wait nvm in my head I thought ans was nominated, fleta deserved it then, violet was the only other player up there you might be able to call mvp
next mesa
there werent many that strong candidates
tawdry hamlet
Would have been dope to have Roty be mvp lmao
next mesa
because not a specific player stood out
choi viol2t, fleta void, alarm carpe
they all from the same team
but like for example if mayhem won like 2 tournaments
tawdry hamlet
Xzi was nutty I miss Xzi
tawdry hamlet
Pretty sure I voted Xzi
I find it funny when fleta dupes cree and overflicks a little often because his sense is high
Wonder if Diem retires or not 
tropic herald
i voted void
earnest leaf
I think my 3 votes were viol2t, void and alarm
tropic herald
void was def the silent carry of shanghai last year
earnest leaf
Him and fearless
tawdry hamlet
I was a huge shockwave and Xzi simp
balmy wolf
lasts year mvp was hard to choose tbh
my pick was void, never had a dip in performance and was strong on every OT
trail perch
mine twas xzi
Hardest popoffs
Best clips
domination on every single hitscan
how do yall feel about diem considering retirement
slow lodge
Smurf is really good at singing
mortal abyss
how do yall feel about diem considering retirement
Very sad... on any other team he could/would have been considered one of if not the best hitscan in the league
balmy wolf
hello guys
id advise you to go to pickems leaderboards and select june joust
and then look at rank 40
sullen berry
i voted void
I think if it wasn't disrupted by bots, xzi was easily a top 3 candidate
this can be sp9rk1e's year, which is overdue if Fuel can top June Joust and summer showdown
noble nexus
this can be sp9rk1e's year if he stops trying to force genji against good teams
slow lodge
I voted Carpe for MVP last season
mortal abyss
I voted alarm
balmy wolf
i bought 2000 botaccounts to vote for xzi
noble nexus
same
gaunt acorn
balmy wolf
another one
forest raven
hot onyx
Hey guys remember when Fusion beat Spark and made it to the June Joust in yet another massive upset
devout path
<@!196967745877704705> <@!405088084229619715> i found perfection
Paris too high
Paris so garbage
balmy wolf
Paris too high
lol i tried to make them third but they sucked so hard first week i couldnt do it
devout path
They deserve to be last
devout path
Sadge
plush grail
Stfu lily
barren quest
Battle of Luigi vs Lily tommorow
trail perch
Battle of Luigi vs Lily tommorow
Tomorrow?
earnest leaf
It is
hollow bough
shieeet im missing out on knockout week
brisk palm
Can I say San Francisco shock is wash
cursive plover
I mean dallas suffers from lack of hitscan
I havent seen the match though so I can only judge from what I've heard
hollow bough
they were very close, fairly evenly matched
and it was a mirror comp, believe dps was echo and reaper
there was an apparent support frag diff, fdgod kept getting picks on jecse as mirror lucio
spiral skiff
Should I get into watching the overwatch league?
hollow bough
yeah, it's pretty fun
hollow bough
They're one of the worst teams in the league right now
spiral skiff
Ok thanks
limber pine
definitely the worst in the west
hollow bough
they haven't won in a long time
spiral skiff
Oh
hollow bough
Makes you wonder what happened since they won 2018 grand finals
spiral skiff
Alright thanks I was just wondering on if I should support that team but if they are bad then I don’t really see a point in supporting them as I would want the team I support to win games and not have a losing streak
hollow bough
What drew you towards the spitfire? location?
here's the current standings for this season so far
gentle lichen
mayhems popping off
vagrant cargo
Alright thanks I was just wondering on if I should support that team but if they...
The best team is LA gladiators
Rn
gentle lichen
and what team do you like?
vagrant cargo
Anyone who says something else is a liar smh
gentle lichen
mayhem
devout path
Alright thanks I was just wondering on if I should support that team but if they...
I supported Boston last season
...literally everyone would agree that Boston was by far the worst team in the league
balmy wolf
no doubt
balmy wolf
they won against houston and titans once i think
barren quest
They have got a win against Gladiators once as well
balmy wolf
rlly?
i thought the curse broke last year
nvmd
it was glads
titans were in a tournament
next mesa
it only got broke last time they faced eachother
wind moth
Hey yall
I wanna know if there is any scrim server for overwatch for scrims and stuff which dont require me to be a diamond / masters player , pls let me know in dms
gentle lichen
probably lfg
gentle lichen
im sure you can just ask if thres scrims in lfg i mena
like
hey
im eu gold loooking for a scrim i can join
devout path
Then join a team
wind moth
But they require 3600 
devout path
Not here
wind moth
Eh?
wind moth
None for asia?
devout path
There wasn’t enough of a demand for asia ones
wind moth
:(
devout path
Cuz this is an english only server
wind moth
devout path
Dm modmail if you want to suggest something
wind moth
I'm not from Korea or Japan
I'm from India and southeast Asians mostly only speak English online
But there is not specific server for SEA in ow so we play on America's
devout path
Isn’t there an Asia region?
gentle lichen
i feel bad for people that play games anywhere but america asia and europe ngl
half the time they dont have any servers
wind moth
But how will that help me find scrims
gentle lichen
well
wind moth
gentle lichen
with me
i have a bunch of friends in my seperate servee
and we scrim on weekends
wind moth
I wanna know if there is any scrim server for overwatch for scrims and stuff whi...
Thats why I asked this
gentle lichen
well yeah but lfg probably has one right
or you could make one and get people from asia
trail perch
My current scrim team is just my friends
wind moth
Well most friends in game i have are all " we play for fun" people
trail perch
Some of us are gold-plat, im master-gm
we scrim at diamond master level np
it shows how ranks are rly stupid
wind moth
And the friends that do take the game seriously are all too good for me as they say
gentle lichen
then they arent friends lol
wind moth
:/
gentle lichen
if they are that rude at least
trail perch
wind moth
No i mean they play wid me they just don't like competitive play
mortal abyss
Yeah lol my team started as just a bunch of friends and the only time we would add people was if we were all good friends
wind moth
They dont like comms and stuff
trail perch
Like this team is 2.2 to 2.8
gentle lichen
oh thats understandable
wind moth
So idk what to do
wind moth
Keeping my friends aside im just looking for a scrim team from SEA
Dats my main thing rn
wind moth
sounds complicated
Yes they dont like the idea
wind moth
gentle lichen
i dont really have a scrim team either
we just kind of make random teams every week lol
wind moth
So
Does anyone kknow a server that does scrims
Pls lemme know in dms
Btw by southeast asian i mean india , pakistan , bangladesh , sri lanka , vietnam , indonesia , Phillipines , Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia etc. ( if there are more )
earnest leaf
Who does boston play
sullen berry
Glads
sullen berry
Not sure
sullen berry
Did he have a replacement already or not
plush grail
Probably
plush grail
They would prolly play ellivote if they had no other choice
balmy wolf
They would prolly play ellivote if they had no other choice
paris might become a god team
plush grail
Tbh kinda
sullen berry
We need Kruise to come back on Rein time
trail perch
Loan Poko?
sullen berry
At least when I looked at the start of the year, Paris and Valiant had work to do shaping their roster. I didn't think both of them were on opposite ends of the poverty scheme
earnest leaf
Paris owners wanted to be cheap I think
sullen berry
That rumor on Chinese socials that Nvm is being paid 10% of an OWL contract
earnest leaf
So avalla did the best that she could
sullen berry
Paris 🤝 sustainable player roster choices
We're not going to get another EM from this org, where the players will probably be worth millions in buyouts
But at least Eternal has been looking good with their roster moves, even halo hasn't caught up
limber pine
that sucks
raw ermine
no poko to paris sadge
lets see
we got
this dudes been retired for 2 year, only recently came back
this dude's been skulking around EU contenders for a while
hey wait, this is trials, not contenders
limber pine
that's why I looked at April contenders and not now
my vote would be for KSAA since him and shockwave were by far the best parts of Vancouver 2.0
raw ermine
yeah
devout path
You’re not the right person
Where is Luigi
@plush grail hey
What happened
Where’s your ellivote
Do you want punk
I’ll give you punk bb
next mesa
KSAA frontliner for sure
smex? LMAO
how old is vestola
Alex2704
either way
paris lose
noble nexus
I assume they'll try to get ksaa before anyone else
raw ermine
vestola is 21
tropic herald
Live NA matches 
limber pine
good news for the league
tropic herald
Algorithm hurts my brain but both my teams higher than Shock so idc
Lots of link dropping but I keep seeing things to share
Twitter
tawdry hamlet
So basically, finnsi or ksaa
Hmm
I'm an Aspen and ksaa simp so idk who I would rather have
plush grail
<@!196967745877704705> hey
shut up
devout path
Looks like Boston 3-0
plush grail
We improved a ton
balmy wolf
We improved a ton
from ass to shit gj
plush grail
Hate to say it but this might be good for paris
devout path
True
plush grail
Why are these background characters talking to me
devout path
Paris could pick up choi and Boston win 3-0
balmy wolf
goddess of irrelevance
tropic herald
KSAA for Paris
balmy wolf
it is
devout path
Paris is completely irrelevant tho
plush grail
Also if any team is the main character this go around it’s not Boston
Can we get a #esports-discussion chat without lily and marbel
devout path
At least Boston stands a chance
tropic herald
I can’t ban people you don’t like simply Bc you don’t like them
balmy wolf
Can we get a <#233904315247362048> chat without lily and marbel
then literally noone cares about you
devout path
Can I ban Luigi for being dumb
balmy wolf
if you want that
plush grail
Lily
Boston legit has a 50/50 chance tommorow
Don't act like it's gonna be a stomp at all
balmy wolf
of 3-0
balmy wolf
other 50% is 3-1
tropic herald
Oh shit it’s knockout weekend which means we get an extra day of owl
weak bolt
Game depends on if Naga can play like he played last week. If he pops off on Echo, he could carry Paris to a win
tropic herald
LETS GOOOOO
plush grail
I'm gonna miss the finals :(
plush grail
Also I'm legit debating if I should change my work schedule this summer just so I can watch owl every weekend
Should i do it
balmy wolf
so unfair
earnest leaf
Knockout weekend is perfect timing
since tomorrow is my last day of school
then I graduate Monday and I am free
moar time for owl
plush grail
Pretty surprising that someone that dumb can graduate
Not cheering for paris = brainlet
balmy wolf
Pretty surprising that someone that dumb can graduate
he can u cant
plush grail
your takes didnt even graduate from primary school
you're**
noble nexus
no no he's right
balmy wolf
you are takes
noble nexus
yes
balmy wolf
interesting
balmy wolf
did you drop out of kindergarten with luigi?
plush grail
Atlanta fan doesn't understand grammar, only double shield
noble nexus
doesn't understand english, only getting tank diffed
balmy wolf
Atlanta fan doesn't understand grammar, only double shield
-50 iq wants to teach me grammar
plush grail
-50 iq wants to teach me grammar
Who even is your teams main support
balmy wolf
Who even is your teams main support
masaa
noble nexus
Who even is your teams main support
who is your team's off tank?
balmy wolf
the lucio onetrick
noble nexus
masaa is ass tbf
barren quest
Expect Paris to pick up someone today
plush grail
Who's masaa
barren quest
Reign's MS
balmy wolf
Who's masaa
better than dodri
noble nexus
tf is dodri
balmy wolf
chas
plush grail
Beating the justice on shitty internet that cuts out
noble nexus
isn't that a pokemon?
plush grail
Stop bullying paris
noble nexus
they get bulled enough in their matches
tawdry hamlet
idk if I should put stonks in gz or seoul
they both have genji players
one is a double shield one trick
but is double shield most relevant rn? idk
on the na side I am torn between boston and atlanta and shock and dallas for knockouts
tropic herald
idk if I should put stonks in gz or seoul
gzc has something fishy going on behind the scenes so go with them
seoul just sucks
tawdry hamlet
I want hz to go far but I think gz better in this meta
Since orisa and genji are literally their best heroes they have
vagrant cargo
i think HZ win
tawdry hamlet
Hmm
Imo if they had a better hitscan in double shield gz could be top 4 in the world
Possibly higher
vagrant cargo
what
noble nexus
it really depends in how much faith you put in eileen and cr0ng to deadlift
vagrant cargo
csw is their best player rn
noble nexus
ehhhhhhhhh
tawdry hamlet
Csw is a better genji than Eileen and he has soldier. Kaylee just bad and then tanks are double shield one trick
hot onyx
Damnnnn
Luigi is gonna be pissed that the 2nd best player on his team gets replaced by some Hurricane rando
tawdry hamlet
really wanted finnsi to get another shot but he also hasn't had any recent success so fair play
at least dridro had just won contenders
never even heard of vestola
hot onyx
Replacement Molf1g
I was thinking they’d sign Smex or Alex
Maybe even KSAA
Turns out that 3-0 Boston pred is gonna come true
slow lodge
cursive glen
Turns out that 3-0 Boston pred is gonna come true
dont think so. imo ellivote was the weakest player on paris after neptuno and now that both are gone and replaced by better player(s) - dont know that much about vestola yet - i think its gonna be somewhat competitive
3-1 or 3-2 boston
actually nvm i think onigod was the weakest in the past weeks
trail perch
Ellivote the weakest????
Daan go brrrrrrrrrr
Naga off echo go brrrrrrr
Onigod was also quite fine
cursive glen
how was daan bad
he legit played a very good hog and then he played orisa where you cant do much wrong to be blamed
earnest leaf
No way this man said ellivote was the weakest link with daan on the team
cursive glen
still no answer on how daan performed bad
earnest leaf
He fearlessly inted off cooldown on rein all of the may melee
ellivote had to break his wrist nearly to carry daan
cursive glen
thats some serious copium lmao
i remember this one hanamura where ellivote legit ran it down multiple times throwing the map
earnest leaf
I'm not saying ellivote didn't feed
cursive glen
on that day he was specificly bad
earnest leaf
their entire team did at multiple times
But daan was the king of it
daan made shredlock look good
cursive glen
yet hes above ellivote in the power rankings and stats wise as well
earnest leaf
yea and space is above choi in those as well
Doesn't mean someone is specifically better
cursive glen
it means he did play better so far this season
earnest leaf
No it means he farmed worse teams for good stats
that's literally what the power rankings are usually
Which team got to farm stats the hardest
earnest leaf
My point is stats don't mean someone is better than the other
if you watch back paris vods during the may melee he was actually the worst player on the team by a mile
Yes ellivote wasn't that great, and other players were poor as well, but daan did the worst
cursive glen
rein players are always the first to blame in rush comps dude
earnest leaf
Yes because they are the most important
cursive glen
paris just looked bad altogether in may melee and since daan was the rein he looked the worst
alrifght best example: benbest
s2 rein
vs s3 rein
everyone acting like out of a sudden he became 50 times better but no dude
he legit just got a better team in s3
earnest leaf
He himself did improve individually
cursive glen
no he didnt dude holy
cursive glen
did you watch him in contenders
this last sesaon
on yab
he legit went back to awful
over the course of half a year
ur just on some high copium not know how the game works
Twitter
next mesa
u use ur argument on ibm benbest is #9 in all of tanks last year doe
cursive glen
yes and?
next mesa
ok bye
cursive glen
my point is what benbest literally said himself, a main tank is only as good as the team he is around.
barren quest
MTs have to also perform well themselves
cursive glen
yes obviously but all im saying is daan looked just equally as bad as the rest during maymelee
and in recent games he looked good on hog and orisa
so hes by no way the worst player on paris
tawdry hamlet
daan certainly improved being off rein, so idk if I would call him the worst anymore, then that leaves naga and onigod since it isn't kaan and dridro is better than neptuno, naga off echo is meh and onigod sometimes whiffs shots so honestly
idk who the worst is on paris
they all have ups and downs for sure
sullen berry
Can we get a <#233904315247362048> chat without lily and marbel
So much personal baggage smh
buoyant coyote
Anyways
next mesa
so many bad players to choose from its really a dilemma
balmy wolf
Paris tbh is a bad team this season because the whole of there team has been ported onto Dallas
digital cloud
lol
true hound
😢
frosty shell
fervent acorn
WTF NO
gusty rampart
NO
mortal abyss
https://twitter.com/shanghaidragons/status/1400302380600774659?s=21
Why did halo have to be right 😦
true osprey
Did funi 3-0 yesterday?
mortal abyss
Ye
worldly flax
https://twitter.com/shanghaidragons/status/1400302380600774659?s=21
But maybe I didn't know my own limits and climbed too high because now I feel that I can no longer take on the people who wanted to drag me down and slander me. from diem's letter 
bruh
hidden vault
why bruh
worldly flax
no one should feel like that
sullen berry
imagine how many homestands he would have been to besides LA & Atlanta in season two, followed by Korea and Guangzhou last offseason
no more carpe vs diem matches
cursive plover
Well shit
tawdry hamlet
the first announcement in months that I have been on to post and it has to be a sad one
big cry
although idk if I am supposed to post all 6 tweets or not lmao
Shanghai has a kick ass org though, literally did a 6 part tweet series, got him a special widow custom statue, and framed his personal letter
essentially just this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C3GLU2nR7pE
plush grail
why does erster retire from pro play
and diem from competitive play
also they messed up the word competitive
scuffed liquipedia
tawdry hamlet
the 6 part tweet series actually really sad
but I am glad shanghai appreciates their players, they retired diya geguri and diem's jerseys and did special things for all of them when they left the team
maybe na orgs have lowered expectations so much for us that we don't expect things like that but was really cool
plush grail
actually true
its so sad
this should be the norm
instead of just a ''bye'' tweet
tawdry hamlet
yeah, I mean I assume it is because those three were with the team since like 2018 whereas in cases like shredlock they were only there for a short stay
and titans org sucks too lmao
really shows the standard though when you consider the Valiant didn't even mention players by name, just said we are dropping all staff because covid and visas
loll
both of the best widows have retired now. The hitscan S tier forever be shrinking
and xzi too wtf
hot onyx
both of the best widows have retired now. The hitscan S tier forever be shrinkin...
Carpe and Lip would like to know your location
tawdry hamlet
the three best widows last season all retired lmao. tragic
ans and diem were ss on widow, carpe was just s imo
this season he has shown a lot of ss
like in the shanghai series for may melee
when he hit those jumping 3 k and shit
but imo on widow at least Diem Ans > Carpe Lip
mortal abyss
Fair
hot onyx
Everyone has an opinion
Not a good opinion like Dalton > Carpe Lip > Ans Diem but it’s one you’re entitled to
tawdry hamlet
Not a good opinion like Dalton > Carpe Lip > Ans Diem but it’s one you’re entitl...
This isn't opinion just fax 📠
💯
hot onyx
Fair
tawdry hamlet
Seriously though sucks losing ans diem and Xzi all in one season, any day now we are going to get a "thank you decay" I'm calling it lmao
hot onyx
If Chex retires I’m gonna cry