esports-discussion

[balmy wolf]

but how?

[earnest leaf]

So with two tanks you have multiple ways to help reduce incoming poke damage from stuff like sig eat/shield, defense matrix, zarya bubble

With only one, you are locked into either one of those options, or the normal main tanks

You lose the ability of an OT eating damage to cross a choke or pressure someone out

So now a widow could play much more freely because she doesn't have to worry about a ball or dva hunting her down

And especially when rein has 1200 hp shield, he will get caught out much faster

[balmy wolf]

dude i agree its would fit into current ow

dont act like they wont change the tanks

[earnest leaf]

I'm gonna go off what we saw

I'm not going to try and theorycraft what potential changes they have for the tanks

[balmy wolf]

yeah and you saw how they talked about it

[earnest leaf]

But one thing that I haven't seen answered yet is, what problem/s does 5v5 solve

And are those problems even severe enough to warrant a drastic change in the game

[balmy wolf]

q times

balancing issues

[earnest leaf]

Queue times will never be fixed

and imo balance becomes harder

[balmy wolf]

no content

[balmy wolf]

explain einstein

[earnest leaf]

Dps is by far the most popular role

[balmy wolf]

and?

[earnest leaf]

With it being the most popular role, majority of people will flock to it constantly, no matter what they do to tweak tanks to make them more appealing

[balmy wolf]

they gonna fix the most hated role

[earnest leaf]

Unless they make teams larger and add dps slots

[balmy wolf]

you cant be serious

[earnest leaf]

???

dps is the most popular role by far

people just are going to have to wait longer to play it

It's not complicated

[balmy wolf]

3 min qs are way better than 10 mins

ppl quit the game cause of q times

[balmy wolf]

youre a tank player

[earnest leaf]

people quit the game over anything

I am a tank player

I have played more dps than tank over the past few months

[balmy wolf]

dps isnt played for 1 year: zzzz

[earnest leaf]

I have dealt with the queue times, and they really aren't bad at all if you have priority passes or queue at normal hours

But you want to know something?

[balmy wolf]

tank is bad 1 patch: how dare you blizzard

[earnest leaf]

Tank queue is omega scuffed

i can go queue tank right now, and get a 3400 lobby

Or a 4400 lobby at 3900

dps players don't have to deal with that

[balmy wolf]

good for you

[forest raven]

I've had 2.1k tanks in a 2.9k lobby

[balmy wolf]

less of those

[earnest leaf]

I've had tanks 1k sr below me before on my team

[balmy wolf]

and 5v5 fixes that

[forest raven]

Same, and I'm in the most populated MMR

[balmy wolf]

you literally wait more than you play

[earnest leaf]

5v5 makes tank less desirable to play

[balmy wolf]

dont act like its okay

[earnest leaf]

Queue times are shit if you are in the top end of the ladder, or bottom end, or queue at shit times or in shit regions

[balmy wolf]

its gonna be the other way trust me

[earnest leaf]

i dont see how they make tank balanced in 5v5

I very easily see it being busted or useless

[balmy wolf]

im dia and i wait 10 mins with prio pass

not top end

not tolerateable

[earnest leaf]

I've queued 3k-3600 on dps and queue times are rarely above 8 minutes

most being 4 minutes on average

[balmy wolf]

ye sure

sometimes i have 4 mins

but thats rare

its 7 mins on average

[earnest leaf]

I do agree that dps queues should be lower, they definitely can get way too long

[balmy wolf]

but over 10 mins

[earnest leaf]

But I don't think a change as drastic as 5v5 is the solution

[balmy wolf]

shouldnt be a thing

[vagrant halo]

Anyone know any free agents that wants to put together a team ?

[fringe cargo]

they should have made the tanks more appealing to play rather than cut a tank slot

[balmy wolf]

they are trying to make them more fun to play

less shield bot

more brawlers

[earnest leaf]

Tanks aren't even shield bots anymore lmao

[fringe cargo]

half the fun of tank was the awesome tank combos you could do

[earnest leaf]

5v5 just seems so rushed from what they presented

Just shouldn't of been showcased straight up

[forest raven]

Hearing about this is kinda making me wanna go play halo again

[balmy wolf]

i wanna play ow now

[fringe cargo]

I wonder if they will add many new tanks since they only make up 1/5 of the team

[balmy wolf]

thanks to 5v5

[earnest leaf]

I've lost all interest in the pvp aspect of ow2 from what we saw

pve seems fun at least

[balmy wolf]

you got that

i hyped about both

https://www.reddit.com/r/Competitiveoverwatch/comments/nhd5ex/interesting_tidbit_from_overwatch_2_dev_blog_post/

another one

[karmic grotto]

At least 2CP will be gone, finally. I can enjoy watching pro matches without 2CP

At this point

Why don't they completely leave them out?

If we're gonna get OW2 changes, might as well start now getting people to adjust

Experimental

[little tusk]

tbh rip all tank mains

gonna be jobless hue

[plush grail]

all fun and games till you get a hog or ball otp on your team and they don't wanna switch

[balmy wolf]

better than hog otp

[mortal abyss]

https://twitter.com/hotba_ow/status/1395600873867255817?s=21

HOTBA (@HOTBA_OW)

I will play dps bye carpe~ https://t.co/tH6gFvjsBt

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Twitter · May 21, 2021, 4:42 AM

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/834519891918716978/845234011948449872/image0.png

Never forget

[sullen berry]

I would never

[little tusk]

what

when did this happen

[sullen berry]

2018, look closer

Hotba was on Philadelphia Fusion, this is season 1 playoffs

[brave igloo]

7 hrs to go

Owl

[cursive plover]

Poor off tanks

Nevermind

Just poor tanks

Imagine training for 5 years. Getting synergy and knowing your tank line-ups, map strats and after all that the devs go "Oh let's make you obsolete and do 5v5 because we want to be like those unoriginal fps games"

[hot onyx]

https://twitter.com/gator_ow/status/1395458630523183111?s=21

Gator (@Gator_OW)

Imagine spending 5 years to perfect your role.....Just for it to be deleted while knowing your role does not translate to another your expected to give all you got till the end of season (:

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Twitter · May 20, 2021, 7:17 PM

[true hound]

https://twitter.com/FRANA_OW/status/1395460238711484417?ref_src=twsrc^google|twcamp^serp|twgr^tweet

FRAN (@FRANA_OW)

well the positive thing is the change applies to OW2 so you have about 70 years to learn a new role

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Twitter · May 20, 2021, 7:23 PM

🙏

[hot onyx]

Don’t jinx it, take it from a Brit who thought it was gonna be another 20 years before brexshit would be in place

[sullen berry]

Thank you, I genuinely lost count

[brave igloo]

Np

Now it's 6 hrs to go

I don't care about contenders now because I got skins

[next mesa]

https://twitter.com/TaiRongOW/status/1395543718107574273

TaiRong (@TaiRongOW)

1-2-2가 된다고 해서 게임니 덜 난잡해질까?
이때까지 DPS들의 플레이가 이루어지는 근간은 메인탱크 오프탱크의 합에서 비롯되는 팀파이트 전-후 단계의 공간 확보에서 이루어지는데 2에서는 그러한 거리 단위를 정할 수 있는 유닛을 삭제했기 때문에 영향은 섭딜에게 영향이 크게 갈 것으로 보임

Twitter · May 21, 2021, 12:55 AM

anyone translate?

[brave igloo]

1-2-2가 된다고 해서 게임니 덜 난잡해질까? 이때까지 DPS들의 플레이가 이루어지는 근간은 메인탱크 오프탱크의 합에서 비롯되는 팀파이트 전-후 단계의 공간 확보에서 이루어지는데 2에서는 그러한 거리 단위를 정할 수 있는 유닛을 삭제했기 때문에 영향은 섭딜에게 영향이 크게 갈 것으로 보임

Translated from Korean by

Will 1-2-2 make the game less promiscuous? Up to this point, the basis for the play of the DPS takes place in securing space in the pre- and post-team fight stages resulting from the sum of the main tank off-tanks. It seems to go big

Hope It helps

[next mesa]

I used google translate on the whole thread, didn't seem that accurate in some of it

better than nothing though

[bronze turtle]

I think 5v5 is gonna have some upsides for league watchers esp new ones. owl can get chaotic at times so sometimes hard to follow 5v5 should in theory make it easier

[brave igloo]

[next mesa]

more like its just gonna reduce the potential of tank playmaking and synergy that's fun to watch

watching ow is always going to have visual clutter if you dont like it you should watch another esports

[bronze turtle]

yes but that doesnt change my point it will be easier to watch, it will have less tank synergy

[next mesa]

easier to watch doenst make it better

[bronze turtle]

in my opinion I think it makes it better in some areas

[plush grail]

dont forget your pickems

[trail perch]

rip mine

[plush grail]

pog

[trail perch]

I forgot my battle net pw

[trail perch]

you poor thing

[plush grail]

trust me

[trail perch]

keep calm and inhale the copium

[plush grail]

the new main support

will make paris good

[trail perch]

dridro not that good

sry

[plush grail]

he's gonna save paris

[noble nexus]

my pickems is having a stroke wtf

[plush grail]

paris is all u need

[noble nexus]

oh god

I don't even wanna imagine being a paris fan

[plush grail]

wanna see pain

[next mesa]

thats what you get for being delusional

[plush grail]

i'll try to be more like you levy

[next mesa]

to be fair I just didnt press save

I got most of them right though

except I had dragons vs chengdu elim round 2

and dragons winning

[plush grail]

i believed in the boys

[next mesa]

mayhem

[plush grail]

what

[tropic herald]

I got every game right except I said finals was Dragons 4-2 Fuel

And somehow I’m behind Luigi in May

[plush grail]

to be honest if you're below me in the rankings

just stop talking here

i get at least like 4 games wrong every week because im predding london or paris to 3-0 dallas or some shit

[tropic herald]

I predded Valiant to win a game so you can’t talk about shit preds

[plush grail]

big brain

[next mesa]

https://preview.redd.it/zq3k6gyjwc071.jpg?width=640&height=921&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=bc40b6713da1576f20c7bb2d63f5df543d96dfd7

all gone

now people will want to play tank even less lmaoo

[plush grail]

tbh

half of those were garbage to watch anyways

oooo i love watching some high level orisa

said fuckin nobody

[willow tartan]

everyone shittalked double shield and now that there's the possibility it's being taken away people actually care about it now? :(

[balmy wolf]

yeah its so dumb

[next mesa]

at least you got to play with another tank partner

[willow tartan]

I've never duo queued in my life bro idk what's all the hype about

[next mesa]

damn thats so sad

[willow tartan]

no it's more competitive

queuing with people is not true competitive experience, you're giving yourself an easier time

climbing solo > climbing grouped up

that's why in other games stacks and solo are separate ranked ladders

Cuz the dynamic changes entirely

[next mesa]

its just so sad u never duo queued in your life

damnnn

[noble nexus]

ikr

duoing with the bros is the only reason I still enjoy playing the game tbh

[next mesa]

duoing with bro is the best

no more rein zarya

to be honest that just made me so depressed and sad and not hopeful

for the game

[trail perch]

Honestly am I crazy for thinking that shd should run diem sombra over LiP?
I would enjoy seeing an emp hit more than 1 person

[next mesa]

no you're not diem sombra was nut

but maybe they tried it

but honestly lip sombra not very inspirational

this season so far

[trail perch]

ok just making sure my memory isnt bad

Yeah so many whiffed and solo emps

Honestly dont know why they picked up lip, diem is just nutty

If they committed to diem full time, their skill cap would be higher

[worn falcon]

Erster retired

Sadge

[devout path]

What’s diem’s map winrate this season?

[trail perch]

:(

[devout path]

Hmmm yeah thought so

[trail perch]

I just think they arent trying enough to make him work

[devout path]

I think you’re just wrong

[trail perch]

Theres some sort of disconnect between him and the team

Because skill wise, hes never the reason they lose maps

Like at all

He's still mechanically cracked

Like an actual beast

[next mesa]

He is the best mechanically

[trail perch]

There's just smth that was there with season 2 shanghai, that isnt there with this roster

[next mesa]

watching his povs lowkey his aim much smoother than carpe

[trail perch]

Yeah he's the best in the world

[devout path]

I think lip is close to as skilled at hitscan as diem and more flexible

[trail perch]

Hard disagree

Diem is a step above him

Maybe their tracers are equal

[plush grail]

i am better

[trail perch]

Yes, ignoreluigi is the future hitscan god of shd

[plush grail]

ofc

im a good tracer

[mortal abyss]

I feel@bad for all the pros that have just received this news (5v5) mid season, must be a huge mental boom

Also

https://twitter.com/alarm/status/1395463187307237376?s=09

Alarm (@alarm)

😤

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Twitter · May 20, 2021, 7:35 PM

[next mesa]

wow nicee

so sexy

[brave igloo]

[worn falcon]

https://twitter.com/carpe_ow/status/1395594253569458177

Fusion Carpe (@carpe_ow)

Bye poko bye hotba it was fun https://t.co/oTFqRIzupi

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Twitter · May 21, 2021, 4:16 AM

[mortal abyss]

.

[little tusk]

u sure about that?

I feel like lip has been pretty great this season lol

yeah I feel like lip is actually better than diem heh

[trail perch]

LiPs been good

[plush grail]

lip aka mr 2 man emp

[trail perch]

diem was the best when he played

Not one of the best

THE best

[plush grail]

take a shot every time lip hits only 2 people with his emp

[trail perch]

Im not trying to get shitfaced

I mean it is friday so maybe

[plush grail]

take a shot every time i simp for paris

[trail perch]

Im curerntly in the hospital

Alc poisioning

[plush grail]

fr?

[trail perch]

Yeah ive been taking shots all day from ur simpage

[trail perch]

this is what killed me

[plush grail]

im pretty sure that was before outlaws ever played

tons of people assumed they were shit

NEVERMIND

that was after outlaws beat dallas and shock back to back

what the fuck was I thinking

[trail perch]

You're going to put me in an early grave

[plush grail]

soon

also if paris legit wins

i will remind all of you daily that daan managed to beat sado

[trail perch]

they have no shot

They are worse in every single role

heesu or onigod?

Na1st or Naga?

Sado or Daan?

[plush grail]

onigod has a cooler name than heesu

[trail perch]

Michelle or Ellivote?

[plush grail]

so onigod wins there

[trail perch]

Oh yeah sry forgot about that

[plush grail]

na1st is also a dumb name, using a 1 instead of a i

so naga wins

[trail perch]

Ansoonjae or Dridro?

Lastro or Kaan?

[plush grail]

dridro because dridro sounds like dodrio and i like that pokemon

[trail perch]

ok fair enough

[plush grail]

kaan ofc

[trail perch]

ok makes sense

yep im convinced

[plush grail]

i don't know what your fav team is

[trail perch]

Paris wins 3-0

[plush grail]

but if it isn't paris

your team sucks

[trail perch]

Hangzhou and Dallas

I was a paris fan last year btw

[plush grail]

is hangzhou the pink or blue one

[trail perch]

But then they dropped EM

Pink

Ive been an EM fan since APEX challengers season 5

[plush grail]

bad

[trail perch]

Fearless Sp9rk1e tankline

[plush grail]

ive been a dallas fan for a while

i liked the original envyus guys

[trail perch]

Lowkey hate NA players

[plush grail]

good to see dallas finally winning something

[trail perch]

I also hate EU ones

[plush grail]

EU >>> NA >>>>>>>> KR >>>> oce

[trail perch]

KR>>>>>>>>>>>>CN>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>everything else

[plush grail]

but na has some good players like

paintbrush

and corey

[trail perch]

washed and retired

Go next

[plush grail]

god daan is gonna dominate sado

i am a god

[balmy wolf]

hahaha

you will cry

[next mesa]

dridro has massive ping issues

[tawdry hamlet]

Based fran

[tight hill]

Wonder if OW2 will revitalize the NA and EU scenes

[balmy wolf]

hope so

[tawdry hamlet]

Also tragic erster retired but honestly to me it felt like he checked out last year unfortunately

[worn falcon]

seagull going back to play dva again

poggers

[tawdry hamlet]

also on s3 Atlanta and Erster Dusttin said that Erster was somewhat burned out and also much more of a solo style player which didn't really mesh well with the team at the time in scrims so they chose to play edison more

[raw ermine]

fischer at the hel. shhesh

big

helm*

sheesh*

[tawdry hamlet]

Head coach change number what are we at like 4 this season?

I swear every week a random coach is fired lmao

[raw ermine]

https://twitter.com/reprize_/status/1395786935793242112

Justin Hand (@reprize_)

Stepping down from coaching..

Read: https://t.co/rcGNnMPkGH

Twitter · May 21, 2021, 5:01 PM

[tawdry hamlet]

[noble nexus]

feelsbadman

stepped down because he couldn't match his expectations for himself

[raw ermine]

all these EU teams have ppl disaappearing cuz they aren't as good as they thought

[tawdry hamlet]

he pulled a Neptuno

but fair enough at least recognizing there are better coaching options and taking the initiative to step down

gotta at least respect that

imma play it safe on pickems this week and just go for the better team this time lmao

[trail perch]

We need stop giving NA and EU chances

just go full KR

these teams are just bad

Theres no other way to put it

[sullen berry]

https://twitter.com/Spitfire/status/1395786475371827200?s=19

London Spitfire (@Spitfire)

We have an announcement from @Noukky. We'd like to take the opportunity to thank @reprize_ for putting his heart & soul into London Spitfire and wish him best of luck in his next endeavour.

Please join us in welcoming @Fischerable as his replacement as Head Coach!

#AcesHigh https://t.co/PMGQDlvxkh

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Twitter · May 21, 2021, 5:00 PM

[tawdry hamlet]

actually I could see reign getting a map off houston, hmm

[sullen berry]

go ahead, mcribbers

Fischer promoted

[tawdry hamlet]

indeed, I know it is wishful thinking but maybe recent roster changes could improve eu lmao

hoping

[sullen berry]

coping

but still, noping

until sparkR comes of age

[tawdry hamlet]

the day is almost upon us

[brave igloo]

Owl starts in 50 mins

[devout path]

Not June joust kekw

[tawdry hamlet]

also I didn't know Microsoft sponsored the spitfire

[devout path]

No the spitfire sponsored Microsoft

[tawdry hamlet]

ok but name another player with a liquidpedia page like this lmao

other than the hurricane players that is

[devout path]

Your mother

[trail perch]

But none of those mean anything...

[digital cloud]

Contenders lol

[tawdry hamlet]

meanwhile carpe

[digital cloud]

In Eu

[trail perch]

Winning an eu title is basically useless

[digital cloud]

If it was Korea that would be impressive

[trail perch]

Team BM from SK contenders would win EU contenders

[digital cloud]

But it is Eu so irrelevant

[trail perch]

Blossom would win EU contenders

Team cat might win EU contenders

[digital cloud]

Most teams from Korea would win Eu contenders

Most Korean contenders teams*

[trail perch]

random korean plats could win EU contenders

[tawdry hamlet]

it is interesting to watch NA and EU contenders because they are mostly just filled with top ladder players so you see a lot more like ladder style gameplay where as in China or Korean Contenders the teams look a lot more synergized and like running strats

that also could be due to the fact most t2 teams in na switch out half their roster every month lmao

also team bm has Illicit and Babel on the dps line

that is cool

[tropic herald]

bro xepher would have that in eu tendies

[trail perch]

Jehong winston would have that

[ivory mason]

any good matches today or ?

[willow tartan]

dragons vs hunters rematch on day 1

[tropic herald]

not really its probably gonna be boring

two eu teams get pounded

[ivory mason]

ehhh

paris vs toronto and london vs mayhem

sad games

[brave igloo]

Owl started bois

[sullen berry]

this will not be enjoyable

but if you support toronto

you have something to watch this morning

dridro is probably going to look for this roster

maybe

[ivory mason]

sometimes the schedule is sad

[balmy wolf]

dw

good games tomorrow

[ivory mason]

are they?

only 1 good game

houston vs atlanta

and atlanta could be garbage with rein out

[willow tartan]

philly plays tomorrow

[ivory mason]

i keep forgetting i have asian games to look forward to

yesss

[willow tartan]

they also play today

but its against nyxl

[ivory mason]

is shanghai playing??

[willow tartan]

yes

against the hunters

[ivory mason]

oof

tough to predict

i am gonna go for 3-1 dragons

[willow tartan]

gz v hz today also

3-0 dragons, chengdu got rolled in the may melee

[ebon aurora]

Paris v Toronto could be interesting, London will likely get rolled by Florida though

I'm most curious what the meta is going to be

[hot onyx]

Double shield or double bubble most likely

[ivory mason]

the thing is these arent the teams that are gonna make the meta

except maybe mayhem

[hot onyx]

Imagine Mayhem start off-rolling Checkmate onto orisa as the ultimate flex against the Shitfire

That would be pretty funny I think

[ebon aurora]

isn't Checkmate a DPS?

[raw ermine]

he is

[ebon aurora]

I know basically nothing about him - hitscan or flex?

[tropic herald]

flex

he was the obviously good player on a terrible team

oz gaming

[balmy wolf]

chat spamming #cancel5v5

bruh

[ebon aurora]

pretty interesting map pool

[balmy wolf]

junkertown horrible

[ebon aurora]

I'm glad Rialto is back

[balmy wolf]

rialto best map

[ebon aurora]

probably my fav escort apart from Gib

[ebon aurora]

surprised Tracer saw that much considering the amount of rush played

[balmy wolf]

i wanna see meta

[tropic herald]

ok the reason i like junkertown is bc it wouldve made some sort of comp variability last tourney but not this one

[balmy wolf]

gimme info

wanna make pr

[ebon aurora]

is hog back? 👀

[tropic herald]

hog def gets play

[noble nexus]

main tanks have been playing it in ranked atleast iirc

[tropic herald]

ive seen too many tanks lock hog in ranked to not say that

[willow tartan]

seoul forces hog try to bs their way thru a win

[ebon aurora]

surely double bubble counters hog?

[noble nexus]

I do still think double bubble will be played more often

[ebon aurora]

or am I thinking too simplisticly

[noble nexus]

I'd think so

but I reckon some teams will still force it

[ebon aurora]

will be interesting to see what the desk think of OW2 news

I know Reinforce had a very balanced take on reddit

[tropic herald]

Double Bubble does not necessarily counter hog comps

If the map is vertical I could see that but not necessarily all maps

[ebon aurora]

sure it's map dependant, like last tournament

but stuff like Numbani 1st, Hollywood 2nd etc I can see double bubble

be weird to play Rialto without brawl ngl

[noble nexus]

also I'd be surprised if the casters don't give very neutral, politician takes on the 5v5 changes

[devout path]

Custa talked about 5v5 on their stream

[ebon aurora]

what did he say

[devout path]

I don’t remember exact wording

But it was positive

[ebon aurora]

I still maintain role lock was the best change OW ever made

maybe this could be similar

[devout path]

Maybe

I miss goats

[plush grail]

Yeah but

Video gameing

[devout path]

But I would hate to play without role lock

[ebon aurora]

It wasn't GOATs that was the issue, it was the fact you lose a lot of matches in spawn room from terrible comps

[noble nexus]

goats was fun but role lock makes games actually balanced

[balmy wolf]

i just hate playing

[ebon aurora]

that was just not fun

[balmy wolf]

in general

[ebon aurora]

which is why I refuse to play open queue

[plush grail]

Cause ur shit marbel

[willow tartan]

i think the general consensus for 5v5 is "we cant accurately judge it until we get the game in our hands and pros hands"

[noble nexus]

I just hate in general

[balmy wolf]

shut up plat

[devout path]

Yes ik but I still miss goats

[tawdry hamlet]

in like ten minutes when hog isn't played can I pls laugh

[plush grail]

Based

[ebon aurora]

even as a zarya main, GOATs wasn't fun for me

especially watching it

[devout path]

I was rein player in goats

[ebon aurora]

even though I appreciate how perfected it was mastered by the end

high level GOATs was the pinnacle

[tawdry hamlet]

you mean watching fat ass 500 health heroes hit each other until ult then whoever gets better ult win isn't fun

[balmy wolf]

the feeding one

[devout path]

I still scrim goats like every day

[noble nexus]

I was a dps player in goats and I liked it

stopped me from turning into a one trick

[ebon aurora]

?

who did you play? Brig?

[plush grail]

Ready to watch me have another mental breakdown as Paris loses

[devout path]

Broken brig

[noble nexus]

I filled

[devout path]

I remember

[noble nexus]

I played zarya often tho

zarya is just a dps in disguise

[balmy wolf]

ready and prepared

[tawdry hamlet]

it is ok Luigi, even if Paris dies Atlanta plays Houston Tomorrow

[ebon aurora]

apparently Dridro is having real lag issues for their match against Defiant

[balmy wolf]

atlanta wins les go

[devout path]

Ez Atlanta win

[ebon aurora]

against Outlaws?

[tawdry hamlet]

[devout path]

N

[balmy wolf]

high iq

[devout path]

Atlanta never beats Houston even in rush meta

[balmy wolf]

wait

i got baited

2-3 vs london

is all i need to say

[tawdry hamlet]

bro Paris is going to win this time bro I promise

[ebon aurora]

Paris 1-3 Toronto, London 0-3 Florida imo

[tawdry hamlet]

of course

[balmy wolf]

well u usually say that after not before someone says something

[ivory mason]

luigi is that you?

[willow tartan]

overwatch league rap battle???

[ebon aurora]

with Dridro having connection issues I think that will really hurt Paris

[devout path]

That’s what I put

[ebon aurora]

but I still think they get a map

[tawdry hamlet]

there is no possible way London wins today, but Paris has a shot depending on how Toronto play lmao

[ebon aurora]

is there any meta London could win?

double shield

?

[devout path]

No

[ebon aurora]

OGE on orisa is a yikes

no tracer for yaki

[devout path]

Yaki diff

[balmy wolf]

oge carry

[ebon aurora]

I mean, maybe??????

[balmy wolf]

yaki diff indeeed

[devout path]

Literally just yaki bqb diff

[balmy wolf]

always yaki diff

[devout path]

Doesn’t matter what oge does

[ebon aurora]

who does yaki play

echo maybe?

[ivory mason]

yaki diff till leejaygon comes at him with his mercy pistol

[devout path]

Probably echo

[tawdry hamlet]

London's best player is a tracer one trick so I do not have high hopes

[devout path]

Plus tracer ban bigger problem for London than Florida imo

[ebon aurora]

we thinking ashe echo is the default DPS comp?

[ivory mason]

genji doom

[ebon aurora]

yeah true, no tracer for Shax

[ivory mason]

give me genji doom pls

give me doom in general

[devout path]

Shax out of equation so blase in

[ebon aurora]

Dallas would just win

with Genji Doom

[willow tartan]

ashe echo yea

[ebon aurora]

like not even close

[willow tartan]

??

who would play the doom

[tawdry hamlet]

we better see Blase Fist

[ebon aurora]

Doha

[devout path]

Doha genji sparkle doom

[willow tartan]

ive never seen doha on doom

[ebon aurora]

his Doom is pretty cracked

[ivory mason]

doha on genji and sparkle on doom

[next mesa]

doha has a good doom

[ivory mason]

because sparkle on doom is chef kiss

[next mesa]

in contenders he plays

[devout path]

When does Dallas play

[ebon aurora]

Sparkle on Genji though

[willow tartan]

week 2

[ebon aurora]

you don't refuse that

[next mesa]

when sparkle is on pharah

[tawdry hamlet]

Sparkle is both the best genji and doom at the moment but I would rather put sparkle on the doom and doha genji in that scenario since doom is the more powerful hero

[ivory mason]

rascal making fun of ivyy walls was sad

[willow tartan]

wait wtf happened to erster

did he get murdered

[tawdry hamlet]

retired

[ivory mason]

nah

[tawdry hamlet]

[ivory mason]

erster is on dragons

he will play if doom is meta

[ebon aurora]

nah he's retired

[devout path]

No

[tawdry hamlet]

Erster retired yesterday

[noble nexus]

is mano actually 26?

what the fuck

[devout path]

Erster retired

[tropic herald]

yes

[ivory mason]

wtf

[willow tartan]

why did erster retire??

[sullen berry]

Erster

[willow tartan]

mental health?

[ivory mason]

did he give a reason?

like ria

[next mesa]

no reason

[devout path]

When is he ever gonna play over fleta

[ivory mason]

doom

he was gonna play doom

[willow tartan]

but like he's retiring

like

[devout path]

Fleta

[willow tartan]

not playing OW anymore

[devout path]

Flex god

[ivory mason]

maybe he just wanted to be out of ow

[willow tartan]

move to valo?

[ivory mason]

as dogman said he wasnt putting that much effort last season aswell

[tawdry hamlet]

probably just wasn't interested I would assume since he was having issues with motivation last year according to Dogman he was unmotivated to play the game for a long time

[ebon aurora]

they've hyped this NY v Philly match so much, I have a feeling it's going to be a stomp

[ivory mason]

so maybe he just lost interest

i got philly 3-0

[tawdry hamlet]

considering philly with a worse roster got 4th in the whole league last year I have very high hopes for philly plus rascal

[devout path]

Yeah ohilly will 3-0

[ebon aurora]

yeah I can't see NY making it close

[devout path]

Not even close

[ebon aurora]

with how clean Philly looked

and how bad NY look

[ivory mason]

philly are the playoff losers

[devout path]

Excited to see gbs play

[willow tartan]

does philly has its players yet

[ivory mason]

they gonna do great

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean if Carpe Heesu can get you top 4 imagine what position Carpe Rascal can get you

[ebon aurora]

Philly could be 8-0 at halfway without 4 of their best players, like wtf

[devout path]

No but soon

[ivory mason]

and then playoff comes

[ebon aurora]

their roster is stacked

[willow tartan]

yea

[tawdry hamlet]

their dps line specifically has like 4 top players lmao

[willow tartan]

and they still didnt qualify

[tawdry hamlet]

and their support line is fucking stacked

[devout path]

Dragons diff

[ebon aurora]

and then you have Astro and Tobi to rotate on MS, it's filth

[tawdry hamlet]

they lost by like 10 seconds I don't want to hear it

in a map 5

[tropic herald]

philly bad

stay mad

[devout path]

Wasn’t it map 6

[tawdry hamlet]

[willow tartan]

it was a map 6

[tawdry hamlet]

yeah they drew volskaya right

I can barely remember

[willow tartan]

yes

philly threw attack with like 3 minutes

by running orisa

[devout path]

Philly went to map 6 against the may melee runner up

Philly should’ve been in over Chengdu

[ebon aurora]

Ilios was a big throw too

on Well

[balmy wolf]

philly still no 1 in apac for me

[tawdry hamlet]

if only philly was able to keep fury

they would easily be the top team

[tardy bay]

everyone hating on 5 v 5 we just need a beta to see how it plays
like plz blizzard give us a beta, u can update during a beta that's why its called a beta

[devout path]

Waiting for philly 16-0 record

[ebon aurora]

Are Philly the best team in the league

[willow tartan]

and 0 tournament wins

[ebon aurora]

even though Dallas won MM

[devout path]

Yes

Then they win playoffs

[willow tartan]

in this meta?

[tawdry hamlet]

no they are not, but they are up there

[ivory mason]

and not winning anything important

exactly

[willow tartan]

id say philly is top 3 in the world

[ebon aurora]

I guess until proven otherwise Dallas are number 1

[ivory mason]

is there a world where philly actually wins a tournament

[devout path]

Philly is top 3 with Dallas and dragons

[tawdry hamlet]

top 3 for me goes atm dallas philly and like hit or miss between shanghai chengdu florida

[ebon aurora]

Shock not even top 3

imagine

[ivory mason]

for me its

[devout path]

Shock kinda flopped

[ivory mason]

dallas dragons and philly

[tawdry hamlet]

I mean if they start playing like they are capable of they can easily get back in my top 3

but atm

[ebon aurora]

Could Houston be top 3?

[tawdry hamlet]

shock bad

[ivory mason]

philly need to get in playoff if they are to be considered top 3 consistently

[plush grail]

why is the game starting so late

[willow tartan]

me looking for the alternate reality where philly wins a tournament

[ebon aurora]

lol

[devout path]

If they play like they did in qualifiers yeah

[balmy wolf]

impossible

[ivory mason]

he sees 1 future

out of billions

[willow tartan]

its the future where philly wasnt moved to apac

[ivory mason]

tbh

philly against this dallas would have been rolled aswell

[tawdry hamlet]

I wish Vancouver did a solid for Adam and signed him when valiant dropped him, would have been nice over fucking fried wiener

[ebon aurora]

Shanghai didn't get rolled tbf

it was a competitive series, both times

[ivory mason]

i said that i got alot of hate on reddit

[ebon aurora]

FRD has been really good tbf

him and Fire have been legit good

[tawdry hamlet]

anyone vs this dallas in may melee would have been yeeted on dallas was out of their minds

[ebon aurora]

yeah Dallas just played on another level

[ivory mason]

tbh dragons made clear mistakes

[willow tartan]

yes

[ivory mason]

like 4 mins on 3rd point kings ro

[willow tartan]

they threw hanamura against the mayhem

[ivory mason]

and you cant finish that

[ebon aurora]

legs OP

[ivory mason]

4 mins on blizzard world and they never switched comps and kept forcing rein

[ebon aurora]

and they still very nearly held

[ivory mason]

dragons like dallas should have played to their strengths

[ebon aurora]

surprised Lip didn't play that much tracer

[tawdry hamlet]

Dragons need to work on consistency really and they could easily be best team in the world

[balmy wolf]

paris gonna win les go

[plush grail]

sideshow just getting bullied

[ebon aurora]

considering how cracked he was in the winner's bracket match

[tawdry hamlet]

but 3-2 against a spark team that just got a brand new coach and then right after 3-0 ing chengdu is like bro what

just be consistent dragons

[willow tartan]

dragons will be the best team in the world dont worry :)

[ebon aurora]

Brenshow are hilarious

[tawdry hamlet]

Brenshow are one of my favorite duos

[ebon aurora]

yeah UberX is still the best ofc

[tawdry hamlet]

egg man is sick

[plush grail]

the fucking clapped hairline

jesus christ

[ebon aurora]

but Brenshow for entertainment are probably the best

[willow tartan]

yessiry

[ivory mason]

brenshow are the better duo

[tawdry hamlet]

back when reinforce casted who did he duo with I can't remember?

[ivory mason]

but no on hypes a game like uber

[plush grail]

brenshow is like 30% analysis and 70% banter

[ebon aurora]

UberX is GOAT casters, you can't argue that

[plush grail]

uber is a fucking great caster

[ebon aurora]

and Matt plays off him perfectly

[plush grail]

guy is so original with his calls

[limber pine]

who we got

[tawdry hamlet]

Daan not on rein

ez dub

[ebon aurora]

Toronto 3-1 @limber pine

[plush grail]

paris ez dub

[limber pine]

that's what I have too

[ebon aurora]

and 3-0 Mayhem

[tawdry hamlet]

unless Toronto plays beast and logix I see no reality where they lose this

[willow tartan]

daan and kaan the iconic duo

[ebon aurora]

Kaan has been sick

[ebon aurora]

I'd not seen much of him

but he's a nut

[tawdry hamlet]

the only map beast has played this season was the map they dropped to titans

[ebon aurora]

was he really highly rated before OWL?

[balmy wolf]

https://tenor.com/view/pepe-laugh-he-doesnt-know-pepe-gif-14019260

[tawdry hamlet]

yeah there was lots of hype for kaan iirc

[plush grail]

pretty sure kaan was highly rated yeah

[ebon aurora]

can see why

he's a nasty flex support

[tawdry hamlet]

Kaan was if I remember like the most exciting prospect

[plush grail]

kaan is for sure staying in the league

[tawdry hamlet]

then they back him up with epic gamers ellivote and neptuno lmao

tragic

[limber pine]

kinda feel bad for aztec

[ivory mason]

and kaan is probably the one person that is gonna get picked by a good team like shockwave

[plush grail]

has he played a single game yet

[ebon aurora]

yeah Aztac was highly rated and Lastro is seeing a lot more play

[ivory mason]

and maybe maybe onigod

[balmy wolf]

toronto sucks

[raw ermine]

oh ffs

[limber pine]

not that I recall

[raw ermine]

my predictions didn't save

[ebon aurora]

I thought Naga was really highly rated

he hasn't been great so far

[ivory mason]

imagine if a good team picks daan

for memes

[tawdry hamlet]

Toronto does suck for the roster they have tbh

[willow tartan]

teammate clause for signing kaan

[ebon aurora]

Genji 👀

[tawdry hamlet]

Real OG's remember Lullsish and Ellivote's Legendary Washington Justice run of playing zero maps

[balmy wolf]

??????

[tawdry hamlet]

[balmy wolf]

huhhh

[ivory mason]

didnt lullsish get a game?

[ebon aurora]

reaper echo

[ivory mason]

i think he play like a map

[ebon aurora]

wtf

[balmy wolf]

this is great

[plush grail]

daan has a pretty nutty ball

onigod has a good widow

comfort picks i think

[ebon aurora]

guess it's the same as sombra reaper but with echo in for sombra

interesting

[ivory mason]

why is sado just sitting there?

[ebon aurora]

isn't Naga's Echo insane iirc?

[ebon aurora]

was antied

[limber pine]

LEGS

[balmy wolf]

luigi copium

[little tusk]

lets go

[ebon aurora]

wait what

soldier reaper

this is basic DPS comp 101

[limber pine]

looks like my gold games

[ebon aurora]

MOOD

too bad Oni is on the other side on Widow

which basically counters soldier reaper lol

[plush grail]

what does reaper do in this comp

[ivory mason]

he went mcree

[ebon aurora]

unlike my ranked games, they actually have a competent widow

[ivory mason]

run and gun

[limber pine]

I guess reaper does what Tracer does

hits the dive target

[ebon aurora]

what a sleep

[plush grail]

what

did they flip point

without a fight??

[ebon aurora]

these comps are wild

I hope something like this is the meta for JJ

[ivory mason]

first day of new metas are always chaotic

[ebon aurora]

this is fun

yeah I know

hope it's a sign of what could be the meta

or maybe it's purely for this point

Busan Downtown has always been a bit wacky

[brave igloo]

Paris eternal playing mercy

[tawdry hamlet]

holy crap nobody died for like 30 seconds

wild

[ebon aurora]

what a round

[balmy wolf]

luigi boomed

[ivory mason]

how did paris lose that?

[balmy wolf]

already crying

[plush grail]

ellivote fuckin managed to get ult twice

[ivory mason]

paris got free 2 points

[forest token]

are there hero pools in atm

[ebon aurora]

yes

[ivory mason]

and still couldnt close

yes

[forest token]

what are they

[ebon aurora]

sombra, tracer, zen, rein are banned

[forest token]

thx

[ebon aurora]

more legs

interesting that no ashe so far

if you're running hitscan

[plush grail]

no ashe because they had dva ball last round prolly

[forest token]

76 can offangle better

you can't have the tracer do that with her being banned

[plush grail]

kaan

[tropic herald]

soldier tiny ow

[plush grail]

how does he live there

[ivory mason]

wtf was that 1v1

x

[ebon aurora]

this is so much fun already

[tawdry hamlet]

Toronto

[forest token]

did dridro beat?

[ebon aurora]

y

[plush grail]

yes

[forest token]

did he get it off?

[ebon aurora]

think so?

what is going on

this is crazy

[plush grail]

cursed

[forest token]

no idea

makes sense with the reaper/moira

[thin relic]

it makes sense for an end of map situation if you're trying to hold the point

[forest token]

that first dridro beat was sadge for paris

[ebon aurora]

that was mental

[balmy wolf]

luigi on the ground

[tropic herald]

the heese is leese

[ebon aurora]

what a start to the series

[ivory mason]

this can be a very fun series

[ebon aurora]

could be a very fun meta

[plush grail]

toronto looks shit for a team that has a top 5 mt

[ebon aurora]

you think sado is top 5 MT?

[plush grail]

is he not

[ivory mason]

he was last year

[balmy wolf]

no

[mortal abyss]

Sado was top 3 last year

[ivory mason]

cant say this year

[mortal abyss]

But now he doesn’t have alarm astro to dump resources into him

[ebon aurora]

I don't think top 3 last year, maybe top 5 but he did get incredible backup from his supports

[ivory mason]

fearless, jjangu,mano,

who are the other 2?

[mortal abyss]

Oge

Ga9a

[ivory mason]

even as a dragons fanboy i cant put fate any where near top 5

would you think guxue?

[mortal abyss]

Nah not rn

He hasn’t looked amazing so far

[ivory mason]

he did but only in last 2 games

and he didnt play the first game at all

[ebon aurora]

who was insane last year: Fearless, Smurf - those are the 2 off the top of my head

surely there was others

[mortal abyss]

He played a couple maps against philly

Sado was top 3 last year

[ivory mason]

yea

[rustic mist]

who do yall think will win for paris vs washington

[ebon aurora]

Justice

[ivory mason]

washington

[rustic mist]

yea imma go with 3-0

[ivory mason]

last season it was

[mortal abyss]

That’s a safe bet

[ebon aurora]

Paris might get a map if Justice get sloppy

which they have been at times already against weaker teams

[ivory mason]

fearless, smurf, sado

[ebon aurora]

dropping free maps

[rustic mist]

all are great

im betting on houston tho ig for them vs atlanta

[ivory mason]

man did we not have any good tanks last year?

if we are drawing blanks after 3?

[ebon aurora]

not compared to this year

the MT lineup this year is stacked

[ivory mason]

holy shit

mag would be top 5

if he can just play rein

[rustic mist]

how well/bad did boston do in the may melee?

[ivory mason]

they went 1-3

[ebon aurora]

here's an interesting take, Rio top 3 last year? Charge were a pretty good team

or is that too high

[mortal abyss]

No

[ivory mason]

top 3

no

top 5 yes

[mortal abyss]

Wayy to high

I think bang on #5 at best

[balmy wolf]

rio ass last year

worst player

[mortal abyss]

But he was just there

[ivory mason]

.

[tawdry hamlet]

He was good on orisa and that was about it

[mortal abyss]

Ye

[ebon aurora]

I am struggling to think of other MT, Benbest?

[ivory mason]

tbh not all main tanks have to make plays

[ebon aurora]

he had a really good year

[ivory mason]

as long as they are being rock solid its good

[rustic mist]

who are you guys betting on for london vs atlanta

[ebon aurora]

Reign

[ivory mason]

not everyone can take control of games like fearless does

[tawdry hamlet]

Atlanta lmao

[balmy wolf]

lol

[ebon aurora]

I can't bet on London atm

[ivory mason]

no one can bet on london right now

[rustic mist]

i forgot london is kinda ass now

[balmy wolf]

i dont even have to sniff hopium to pick reign

3-0 for sure

[tawdry hamlet]

Atlanta and London when rush isn't meta

[rustic mist]

i remember when they were a powerhouse a few years ago

[ebon aurora]

Benbest I think might've been in consideration for top 3 MT last year

[rustic mist]

ima go 3-0 for washington vs boston

[forest token]

there's no way they run hog dva

[balmy wolf]

holy shit

[ebon aurora]

hell, even Super when he played

[forest token]

there's no way

[balmy wolf]

hogs about to get playtime

[ivory mason]

HOG DVA

[ebon aurora]

double offtank is back

[tawdry hamlet]

Damn it I can't make fun of empathy hog was actually played

[balmy wolf]

no

[tawdry hamlet]

[ivory mason]

hog coming back is amazing

[tawdry hamlet]

Bruh

Lmaoo

[balmy wolf]

is paris choking

[barren quest]

LMFAO

[balmy wolf]

oh

[tawdry hamlet]

Winning the 3v4 with a c9

[plush grail]

PARIS WON IT BABEEEEE

[tawdry hamlet]

Les go

[rustic mist]

do you guys think itll be tight for florida vs outlaws

[plush grail]

never doubt paris

[balmy wolf]

paris actually looks decent now

[tawdry hamlet]

Probably not

[ebon aurora]

yeah that could be a cracker

[rustic mist]

florida did pretty nice in the may melee ngl

[ebon aurora]

think that's one of the matches of the weekend

[balmy wolf]

who was the other support

[weak bolt]

This starting to look like a S4 toilet bowl

[tawdry hamlet]

Mayhen have upped their game I could see a 3-1

[rustic mist]

i think 3-2 or 3-1 outlaws

[ivory mason]

toronto playing more normal esque comps

while paris playing hog as a rein just go and make space

[tawdry hamlet]

Daan on the hog is actually not as bad as I thought

The echo plays are fun

[forest token]

it looks like they're trying to kill eternal's setups early

which all they really have to pressure at range is the echo

[tawdry hamlet]

Also Kaan sleeping the duplicated ana was lol moment

[forest token]

so all you really have to do is eat the stickies and it's a safe hook

[tawdry hamlet]

As long as you are over half health yeah

[forest token]

well yeah

if you don't land the stickies you don't have the damage to kill him in time

[weak bolt]

The hog is a pretty nice counter to Sado being over aggressive on winston

[forest token]

I wonder if they tried running sigrisa here

they've been pretty set on this reaper

[plush grail]

im pretty sure paris is one of the most stubborn teams in the league

[rustic mist]

who do you guys think is better, oge or piggy?

[plush grail]

they never give up fights

[forest token]

heesu how

[plush grail]

u mean jjangu instead of piggy?

[tawdry hamlet]

Piggy off tank jjangu main tank

But jjangu vs oge idk it's pretty close

But rein I'd give to jjangu over oge but oge on the other heroes I think

[ebon aurora]

that boop was clutch af

[rustic mist]

im just looking at the power rankings rn lol

im relatively new to the owl

[plush grail]

sado legit might be a problem if he's only gonna play winston

[ivory mason]

good plays by paris

[tawdry hamlet]

Lmao

[tawdry hamlet]

Put in beast ez

[balmy wolf]

@plush grail your team is fun to watch

[tawdry hamlet]

[plush grail]

team fights that never end, winning fights we should lose, losing fights we should win

[tawdry hamlet]

[balmy wolf]

xD