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#esports-discussion
digital cloud
raw ermine
also, now we all have to change the names for this discord server to represent the fact that OWL is an anime
digital cloud
So much this
raw ermine
We have "fearless is the protagonist"
what about... (I don't watch much anime)
sounds about right
tropic herald
ga9a is the billionaire
willow tartan
dragons 3-0 mayhem
digital cloud
Nah, fielder is the badass older friend that fearless overcomes later
ivory mason
dragons the only team from last year to be back in may melee
dragons winning it againt like last year
dark hedge
dragons 3-0 mayhem
thats what ppl said about washington vs mayhem
devout path
ivory mason
thats what ppl said about washington vs mayhem
unlike justice dragons have a top 3 supports
ivory mason
and fleta that can literally play anything
digital cloud
Tobi the ability sucker
dark hedge
unlike justice dragons have a top 3 supports
justice had fucking mag and decay
ivory mason
dallas winning may melee
as a dragons fan i wont even be sad about it
raw ermine
XZI I feel has a place in this anime
willow tartan
no doubt in my mind dragons will take the victory
digital cloud
Ryujehong is the hero that became the villain
ivory mason
justice had fucking mag and decay
dragons have fleta, lip, void, izayaki and leejaygon
digital cloud
Fissure is bakugo basically
dark hedge
dragons have fleta, lip, void, izayaki and leejaygon
ok so
unique oasis
either dragons or chengdu is gonna win
dallas is gonna choke
and florida is just
florida
willow tartan
fearless looks like he ate some really spicy food and is trying not to show it
dark hedge
dallas gets cucked if they go against chengdu cuz pharah lmao
proven saddle
this is the last year may melee but on easy for the Paris fuel guys
brittle spear
Florida made it this far, they are the upset
willow tartan
dallas gets cucked if they go against chengdu cuz pharah lmao
dallas is going against chengdu
dark hedge
dallas *is* going against chengdu
oh shit
willow tartan
dragons vs mayhem, hunters vs fuel
digital cloud
They can just do the epic doom rollouts
willow tartan
dragons beat mayhem, hunters beat fuel, dragons redeem themselves and beat hunters
dark hedge
wym ok so, you said justice had mag and decay so i just named dragons player
you named their entire roster
digital cloud
Murk pharah before she even knows sparkle is there
willow tartan
this is the way.
unique oasis
apac > na
ivory mason
you named their entire roster
thts the point , justice had 2 or 3 players that can make things happen. Dragons have a whole roster and that roster can atleast play rein comps
dark hedge
ok
tepid ibex
imo dragons or chengdu win may melee
willow tartan
fearless believes in 3-0'ing hunters hmm..
unique oasis
nah
willow tartan
if fuel beats hunters then dragons wins the may melee easily
prisma scroll
wow dallas 3-0ing all day
dark hedge
how tf does fuel beat hunters tho
willow tartan
but i wanna see the hunters v dragons rematch
dark hedge
lmao
digital cloud
And hopefully Houston are still good
dark hedge
who tf is gonna deal with the pharah
prisma scroll
dallas went 9-0 today
unique oasis
who tf is gonna deal with the pharah
doha legs
lofty shale
dallas on fire
tepid ibex
sparkle will pull some god rollout on doom and fuck the pharah up
willow tartan
Trust me, from my ranked experience, you don't need to deal with the pharah- you only need to kill the enemy team faster than the pharah kills your team 😎
lofty shale
imagine if xzi was still on fuel that'd be even crazier, although they're doing just fine without him
earnest leaf
So dallas made shock and houston look silly
tribal canopy
imagine if xzi was still on fuel that'd be even crazier, although they're doing ...
They would probably lose the meta game with xzi
tepid ibex
i predicted shock losing to dallas and im proud of it
raw ermine
oh boy predicting this next bracket will be FUN
earnest leaf
I give up on predictions after today
tribal canopy
Well i predicted shock 3-0 houston dallas and i am proud of it
lofty shale
i just hope glads dont become the next atlanta reign (2020 atlanta anyways)only winning in 3-0s against teams that are worse than them
tribal canopy
I give up on predictions after today
Same
unique oasis
atl nearly beat shock
dark hedge
yea shock are boomed
tribal canopy
Hunters is the only team i got right for the may melee
tepid ibex
i got shd, dallas and chengdu right
lofty shale
god shock fans get so salty man, i was looking at the twitter and one person was saying they're done supporting shock after they lost to dallas lmao
earnest leaf
I will say
dark hedge
i dont think anybody expected mayhem to make it
earnest leaf
Shock don't look as bad considering that houston got bodied as well
unique oasis
shock fans are toxic
tribal canopy
god shock fans get so salty man, i was looking at the twitter and one person was...
Those are not shock fans then.
lofty shale
so many people bandwagoned shock last year just cause they're good and they're all getting super salty now they lost some games
earnest leaf
But dallas just hard outplayed shock and houston straight up
tribal canopy
shock fans are toxic
Everyone is toxic to shock fans
unique oasis
glads got dominated first week and im still a glads fan
lofty shale
Those are not shock fans then.
yea ik it's unfortunate
unique oasis
dark hedge
houston couldnt adjust to dallas lmao
lofty shale
yea glads still my favorite team cause birdring is my favorite player and i love the dark purple color scheme
dark hedge
i still simp for happy
lofty shale
glads have by far my favorite color scheme in the league
true hound
birdring overwatch
tepid ibex
izayaki simp 
willow tartan
This is the Overwatch League equivalent of running bastion on payload and then the enemy team not being able to deal with him.
true hound
❤️
novel owl
tribal canopy
Mayhem best colors. Shock best team
lofty shale
what's yalls favorite color schemes in the league?
tepid ibex
spark's or mayhems
willow tartan
seoul and paris
dark hedge
what's yalls favorite color schemes in the league?
spark
novel owl
raw ermine
Florida's new one is sick
novel owl
black and gold is just good
willow tartan
paris have poggers colours
novel owl
miss mcdonald color
dark hedge
Florida's new one is sick
old florida colors were better, dont @ me
fucking mcdonalds
willow tartan
fielder used to playing on ping
lofty shale
old valiant colors lmao
willow tartan
advantage?
upper heart
did anyone win yet
remote siren
Guys
lofty shale
myes
remote siren
What hapoened to shock watch party?
willow tartan
cancelled
remote siren
Why?
willow tartan
no lol the games are over
lofty shale
tough day for shock
remote siren
But I cant find it on the channel
willow tartan
deleted the vod 
remote siren
Xd
lofty shale
sweep today under the rug
remote siren
I bet those boys were malding
brittle spear
Florida
remote siren
Really excited for may melee
lofty shale
holy fuck though anyone remember super's shatter against atlanta on king's row yesterday when they got booped off highground and shattered, that was so fucking clean
novel owl
whats the top4 teams again
lofty shale
super still best rein
remote siren
No?
lofty shale
im a super rein simp
remote siren
Hes gotten exposed by everyone
tribal canopy
super still best rein
Yes
lofty shale
shock aint even my favorite team but you gotta love super
willow tartan
super retiring this year
tribal canopy
super retiring this year
Adrer the treepeat yeah
willow tartan
nah
tepid ibex
no threepeat for shock
willow tartan
if super wins OWL 3 times in a row he'll stay in owl until he loses
remote siren
Threepeat for shock is delusional
tepid ibex
this is shanghai's year baby
remote siren
Nah kiddo
willow tartan
dragons bro
lofty shale
could happen but they got weakened a lot more than i thought by losing rascal and moth
remote siren
Im a chendu believer
willow tartan
last year was stolen
lofty shale
and they lost ans
willow tartan
Shanghai here to reclaim what was rightfully theirs
south flower
Wow did you guys just see what I saw?
lofty shale
ans was honestly best hitscan last year imo
tribal canopy
and they lost ans
Ans was honestly the biggest loss
remote siren
Shanghai 0 40 still didnt even make finals
tribal canopy
Shanghai here to reclaim what was rightfully theirs
Sorry but No
fast tusk
shock had no "ANS"wer for fuel
tepid ibex
moth imo was the most impactful loss
remote siren
😎
lofty shale
shock had no "ANS"wer for fuel
nice one
south flower
Ans was honestly the biggest loss
True. A lot of people are also mad about Glister underperforming
remote siren
No way ans is bigger than moth
tepid ibex
support line is too aggressive from what ive heard
remote siren
They won without ans and sinatraa
remote siren
Moth held that team togetber
tribal canopy
True. A lot of people are also mad about Glister underperforming
You cant underperform when you never play
tepid ibex
glisters played like 2-3 maps right
brittle spear
Mayhem can take it
tepid ibex
i know he played with voil2t on cree
tribal canopy
Yeah moth and ans hurt us really hard. But we still have a lot of time to figure things out until the grand finals
remote siren
Thats like saying losing mano is worse then losing alarm
tribal canopy
glisters played like 2-3 maps right
He played havana vs houston. Not sure about the others
south flower
You cant underperform when you never play
EXACTLY. Which is why it's so triggering to look through the twitter dumps
tepid ibex
He played havana vs houston. Not sure about the others
pretty sure he played on gibraltar vs glads as well
remote siren
Mano is a one of kind plauer but alarm is their franchise player along with carpe
south flower
Mano is a one of kind plauer but alarm is their franchise player along with carp...
Plauer
remote siren
Phone typing hard
south flower
Sorry I had to do it
willow tartan
east wins because they dont need to take an 8 hour plane flight 😎
tribal canopy
pretty sure he played on gibraltar vs glads as well
Possible i only saw hanamura and control vs glads
remote siren
I love shock but cmon bro
lofty shale
why did kai change his name to kai? any reason or does he just like the name kai more?
remote siren
Thats something a salty shock fan would say
raw ermine
Twitter
remote siren
Like saying Mano is still the best mt in the league
raw ermine
ahah
tribal canopy
Anyways, super best rein is a meme
Who is better then? I see the argument for jjangu or maybe fearless but other then that
lofty shale
tbh super probably is the best rein in the league though, im not really even a shock fan but no rein besides maybe sado could be considered better than him imo
tribal canopy
J hard rolled him
He really didnt. Only on the first map.
remote siren
And last map
lofty shale
but that's super subjective
tribal canopy
Fearleas is way beter too
Not on rein
remote siren
Especially on rein
tribal canopy
And last map
Last map was smurf my friend
remote siren
Oh right
south flower
why did kai change his name to kai? any reason or does he just like the name kai...
His real name is Kai so....idk
tepid ibex
fearless rein is pretty good
remote siren
Still
lofty shale
His real name is Kai so....idk
oh it is, didn't know that, thanks
remote siren
Better stastically
lofty shale
i dont really pay attention to player's real names
tribal canopy
fearless rein is pretty good
Not better then super imo
tepid ibex
jjangu's shatter on lijang garden
remote siren
Definelty better than super
remote siren
Super is too coinflip to be the best rein
dark hedge
if super is the best rein in the league then there must not be alot of good reins in the league
remote siren
You cant be a net negative half the time
earnest leaf
nah super is still probably the best rein
lofty shale
if super is the best rein in the league then there must not be alot of good rein...
there really wasn't last year after rein fell off super hard and orisa sigma became dominant
remote siren
He was getting out played by gator
earnest leaf
He wasn't?
remote siren
He was
tribal canopy
He wasnt
earnest leaf
Ok you didn't watch the match
remote siren
The maps shock lost he played terrible
tribal canopy
Gator was feeding later on
remote siren
Alqaya getting picked
earnest leaf
You see shock as a whole was playing poorly during some of those maps
remote siren
Bad shatters
earnest leaf
The MT will look the worst when the team entirely is not playing well
south flower
Twitter
raw ermine
someone on another server pointed out:
Dallas-Element Mystic (all players and most coaches are from EM)
Florida-Runaway (Yaki,Slime, Gangnamjin, and Kuki)
dark hedge
i forget super exists half of the time he plays
earnest leaf
reins aren't gonna be hitting 6 man shatters each time
willow tartan
wtf is the stream right now
remote siren
Siper was just dying
tribal canopy
I really dont see any rein better then super rn
willow tartan
im losing brain cells
earnest leaf
I don't think you watch Owl
remote siren
I dont thinl you watch owl
lofty shale
honestly no point in arguing who's better at what, it's all really subjective most of the time
tepid ibex
I really dont see any rein better then super rn
maybe jjangu, fate, fearless or mano
theyre the only ones i see at least comparable
remote siren
You cant get consistnely outplayed by top reins and just blame your team
lofty shale
out of curiosity though who do you think is best at rein @remote siren
willow tartan
The enemy could just be having a good day. - csgo
remote siren
Probably Jiangu
tribal canopy
You cant get consistnely outplayed by top reins and just blame your team
He isnt getting outplayed by other reins
remote siren
He is
earnest leaf
jjanggu played better than super on one map in the rein v rein and people instantly think he's better
remote siren
Not jinagy is more consistent
earnest leaf
Recency bias is actually so painful
remote siren
Super is not
earnest leaf
just gonna block you
remote siren
Bruh
spring hazel
Super has had a slow start to the season
willow tartan
doha rein > super rein
spring hazel
😂
earnest leaf
poor super pinned at the wrong time
raw ermine
This is the anime's final boss
tribal canopy
Hahahahahahha
willow tartan
This is the anime's final boss
he's the first season's antagonist that comes back 3 seasons later
spring hazel
but shock arent as coordinated or as good as they were last year
raw ermine
Yeah
earnest leaf
I don't think they're worse, just they seem to be playing slower than previous years
spring hazel
they all do whatever they can to win hopeless fights but its just not working like it used to
tribal canopy
supers never really impressed me on the rein
Who impressed you then?
earnest leaf
one sec doha put it well
dark hedge
Who impressed you then?
fearless
hydration kinda but thats more cuz i was impressed with a dps player on tank
lmao
remote siren
Super is just incosistent
earnest leaf
fuck I can't find the doha interview response
remote siren
Like he plays decent I guess sometimes
spring hazel
fuck I can't find the doha interview response
he basically said that the shock didn't play with the same level of aggression and tempo as they did last year
earnest leaf
yea that
worn falcon
chengdu champion of mei melee
balmy wolf
i smell recency bias but all right
spring hazel
shock are weird this year
i think we will see what we always see from them by next tournament
tribal canopy
Its probably just difficulties bringing fd and nero in. We have some time until the grand finals tho
spring hazel
they'll be like dallas and find their footing and start 3-0ing teams for fun
tribal canopy
Imo Super is best Rein in the league. You could argue for fearless but idk
spring hazel
fearless outplayed super rein and smurf winston today
tribal canopy
fearless outplayed super rein and smurf winston today
Dallas outplayed shock today
balmy wolf
bumper still best rein to ever touched the game
devout path
bumper still best rein to ever touched the game
TRUE
spring hazel
Dallas outplayed shock today
that too 🙂
gilded carbon
spring hazel
100%
tribal canopy
I think we are forgetting hadi here
spring hazel
we not gonna talk about doha cree?
devout path
All of you are forgetting about hydration smh
willow tartan
bumper still best rein to ever touched the game
when is bumper coming back
man died
balmy wolf
bumper ascended into the heavens
dark hedge
shock should sign bumper to play hitscan
tribal canopy
Bumper hanzo tbh
stuck sparrow
Shock signed glister just to have him sit on the bench
stuck radish
Shock signed glister just to have him sit on the bench
wait until you hear about the legend (or lack thereof) of ta1yo
stuck radish
yeah they got rid of rascal who is one of the best meis rn
shock didnt want to drop him
stuck sparrow
Nero is so cocky too
stuck radish
he prob wanted to go somewhere else
stuck sparrow
He foresaw the downfall of shock
stuck radish
its early season
tribal canopy
Nero is so cocky too
I dont like nero tbh
stuck sparrow
I dont like nero tbh
No one does
tribal canopy
now we see if history repeats itself
Lets hope
hot onyx
Early season and Shock is already cock
ivory mason
widow player
yea but they never play him
stuck radish
bc widow isnt meta
ivory mason
time for me to sleep
stuck sparrow
It’s hard to play against Dallas tho since they don’t have traditional meta comps
stuck sparrow
Yea but a flex support is playing over glister lmao
runic knoll
im surpised they are doing so well without a hitscan player
stuck sparrow
That’s like so disrespectful to glister
dark hedge
im surpised they are doing so well without a hitscan player
yea cuz hitscans not really meta rn
stuck radish
honestly i think dallas is better without xzi
dark hedge
except like cree
runic knoll
cree rly good
dark hedge
but you can still get away without playing cree
ivory mason
im surpised they are doing so well without a hitscan player
they are doing so well because of no hitscan makes them unpredictable
runic knoll
ashe is really good as well
stuck sparrow
honestly i think dallas is better without xzi
Doha and sp9rkle have proven themselves
dark hedge
theyre gonna get shat on by chengdu tho
stuck sparrow
Nah chengdu is getting upset
dark hedge
how are they gonna deal with jinmu pharah
runic knoll
why hasnt ameng played this season?
dark hedge
why hasnt ameng played this season?
because gaga is better at everything than him
runic knoll
rip
dark hedge
Doha and sp9rkle have proven themselves
honestly sparkle tracer looks really good
tribal canopy
why hasnt ameng played this season?
He played one map vs seoul
tribal canopy
how are they gonna deal with jinmu pharah
Doha doom
stuck radish
shock lost to both CA teams last early season and went on to dominate the rest and win the grand finals
and now shock has lost to both texas teams this early season
hmm
balmy wolf
that mei/sym is absolute cancer whenever i see it
dark hedge
will the may melee be on the new patch
stuck radish
no
balmy wolf
no
dark hedge
ok
dark hedge
cringe
stuck radish
i really really doubt hog is meta
runic knoll
so the meta that was played in grand finals last year?
runic knoll
that hog sigma meta did not feel like overwatch at all
mental vine
ok first of all How East Coast viewers are able to get OWL ANA skin THIS LATE for the May melee tournament weekend?
runic knoll
it was like valorant
mental vine
i get the tournament is in Hawaii
runic knoll
hide and seek but with guns
mental vine
BUT CAN THEY JUST DO IT AT LIKE 11:00 AM OR SOMETHING
devout path
During June joust meta will probs rotate between ball and Winston metas
tribal canopy
Winston meta is probably the best onr
devout path
BUT CAN THEY JUST DO IT AT LIKE 11:00 AM OR SOMETHING
11 am est is 6 am there
runic knoll
what happened to all the ow balance patches? there used to be 2 per month but now its back to 1 per month
mental vine
that means East coast viewers can comfortably watch the tournament in the afternoon
devout path
i mean 11 AM in their time
Asia exists too
dark hedge
what happened to all the ow balance patches? there used to be 2 per month but no...
bliz too scared to change owl meta lol
mental vine
@devout path still doesnt benefit east coast viewers
devout path
<@!405088084229619715> still doesnt benefit east coast viewers
Not everyone lives on the east coast
mental vine
i didnt say everyone
stuck sparrow
A large percentage do
mental vine
if i say everyone i mean asia, west coast, central, and east coast
runic knoll
bliz too scared to change owl meta lol
bruh yeah, when owl started i was worried that blizzard were gonna balance the game for owl instead for all the players in plat and stuff lol
devout path
Blizzard never balanced the game for plats
dark hedge
bruh yeah, when owl started i was worried that blizzard were gonna balance the g...
i mean they prob are gonna do that
but like i think theyre just too scared to end up with another hog or genji meta for owl lmao
runic knoll
i just dont want them to buff chracters that are rly good in low ranks like reaper or someone
if there was another genji meta, then gg dallas fuel owl champions
dark hedge
legit hog being meta cucked philly so hard
runic knoll
true
dark hedge
if there was another genji meta, then gg dallas fuel owl champions
wait i forgot sparkle played genji lmao
runic knoll
the grandfinals meta was so boring
dark hedge
havent seen it for so long
runic knoll
he played genji this season i think
dark hedge
like once
runic knoll
yea
balmy wolf
its tradition for blizz to always overbuff a hero before the playoffs happens
runic knoll
lol
balmy wolf
s1 it was snipers and tracer, then sigma, and then hog
worn falcon
🤔
barren quest
I'd rather watch Hog meta than rush every game
umbral sapphire
Man I wish every character was perfectly balanced so we could get some more varied and interesting gameplay
onyx otter
devout path
Man I wish every character was perfectly balanced so we could get some more vari...
That is just impossible due to the characters having different abilities
earnest leaf
dallas is simply built different
devout path
Plus is playing a lot more than half of the characters not varied enough for you
bleak otter
Who won the game?
devout path
Which game
bleak otter
Dallas vs San Francisco
devout path
There were multiple
devout path
Dallas vs San Francisco
||Dallas 3-0||
bleak otter
Fuck
devout path
Dallas went 6-0
devout path
They did not lose a map
I don’t understand how anyone can call owl boring rn
This is the most varied and diverse the game has ever been
somber coral
quick question
what world am i in
where dallas 3-0 shock?
am I missing something?
digital cloud
and houston too lol
somber coral
NO
digital cloud
I am so sad inside
somber coral
UR JOKING
earnest leaf
Dallas just better
I guess the Dallas figured out their comp is just better
and played well
frank torrent
Dallas has always been more than the sum of their parts
barren quest
Predictions for Dallas vs Chengdu?
frank torrent
Unfortunately I'm gonna call 3-2 Chengdu
I think Fuel is a little too reliant on their Sym play but they'll put up a good fight
earnest leaf
The true big brain idea is to wait for empathy's preds
then do the opposite of what he puts
digital cloud
or atlanta simp
I would say uvalo, but apparently that guy is accurate despite his blinding love for atlanta
supple prism
cant believe I got Mayhem correct
tropic herald
my bracket so goated
rustic mist
fuel is making it to the finals i just know it
supple prism
i missed it, how did Outlaws look?
next mesa
like shit
upper niche
holy shit washington and houston lost
Houston didn't just lose.
Neither did Washington, I had high hopes for Washington, they totally didn't live up.
gusty rampart
Wtf Fuel
upper niche
Hsssssss 😄
gusty rampart
How...
upper niche
I'm no fan, but...
upper niche
It's like Dallas finally have the team they thought they were going to have with all those Pre-season-1 signings.
earnest leaf
it's first to 4 as a heads up
next mesa
I think fuel will look strong but a bit too one dimensional and lose
earnest leaf
super just put it well on his stream for the shock dallas game
He said they never took the tempo into their own hands and let dallas do everything
tropic herald
and their attempt to take tempo was throwing away ults
like
solo gravs dont work when the enemy has something that isnt zen
earnest leaf
or striker throwing pulse in a 2v6
tropic herald
them never going for a fucking grav pulse
im malding
thinking about how they didnt play good
devout path
He said they never took the tempo into their own hands and let dallas do everyth...
That’s what happened to Houston on volskaya attack b
Dallas kept engaging before they could set up and always cycled ults perfectly
Which leads to jjanggu holding primal for 4 fights
And wasting nano and grav
tropic herald
And Florida looked good
fringe thicket
that shock loss hurt me as a super simp
devout path
They definitely improved but not by that much
I just think justice is garbage at rush lol
fringe thicket
did you see fdgod's face cam after the 2nd loss?
he looked so sad
and also tweeted about he feels like he's a weight on the team
before the match
tropic herald
Don’t worry FD isn’t the only weight on that team
devout path
Fuel is probably the most diverse in terms of comps
tropic herald
Volskaya B fucking makes me mald
fringe thicket
I feel like viol2t and fdgod are having a weak performance
and striker to a minor degree
im not a pro analyst tho so idk
tropic herald
Twilight was the only player on that team who looked like he wanted to win
fringe thicket
TRUE
tropic herald
Their macro
Hey guys
Lets never use a fucking grav pulse
Lets only solo grav the Zarya who has both bubbles and an Ana pocket :)
fringe thicket
i noticed that viol2t threw his immo field too early in a lot of fights which lead to super dying
and choi just seems to lose mech for no reason
idk very sloppy
tropic herald
Everyone on that team deserved that loss except Twilight
fringe thicket
why do they keep benching glister for viol2t???
next mesa
Consistent
fringe thicket
i never understood that
tropic herald
Take the names of Shock today I would’ve said it was Boston last year
devout path
i noticed that viol2t threw his immo field too early in a lot of fights which le...
I garuntee it’s most likely viol2t getting pressured to the point of having to self immor
fringe thicket
I garuntee it’s most likely viol2t getting pressured to the point of having to s...
its not though
thats understandable
but thats not that case
he would throw his immo field as soon as super got flashbanged, expecting him to insta die
they destory the field then just hard commit onto super
and he dies
devout path
Well I mean
fringe thicket
this happened a couple of times
devout path
The flash probably will kill super
fringe thicket
hindsight is 20/20, but a lot of those fields werent needed
and fdgod died a couple times with beat available
which isnt the greatest
im a support player so im really watching the support players performance
not really focusing on the rest lol
twilight is nuts though
earnest leaf
The solution is to clone twilight so we can have a 6 man roster of him only
fringe thicket
i agree
devout path
Twilight stage 1 2019 champ
fringe thicket
surprised super didnt tweet anything about the match today
fringe thicket
ok so i wanted to @ dallas but apparently there's a user called dallas, even though it didnt appear in the little thingie
tropic herald
surprised super didnt tweet anything about the match today
In his stream he said they deserved the loss, they played like shit, stuff like that
fringe thicket
oh ok
devout path
I’m just excited to see what happens when they get an actual hitscan
fringe thicket
glister has only played 1 map
on havana that one time
and he popped
but they just benched him
shy sluice
Glister exists lmao
devout path
Glister is gonna play like only hardcore Ashe/widow metas
fringe thicket
he's still good at other hitscans
shy sluice
Well the viol2t mccree worked the first time
tropic herald
oblique sphinx
Damn. Dallas is looking good now who'd a thunk'd it
rustic mist
how do you get that upcoming ana league skin
tropic herald
how do you get that upcoming ana league skin
Watch games next weekend
oblique sphinx
There's a league skin for ana coming?
supple prism
I still dont know what to pick for my bracket
golden dagger
Ok what in the name of Zues's butthole happened today? Did Dallas seriously just sweep the Shock and the Outlaws?! I mean I knew the Shock were trash this year compared to last year but dang
tawdry hamlet
Shanghai can eat ass bro, fuck that inconsistent ass roster 
3-2 spark a team who literally just got a brand new coach like a week ago, 0-3 hunters, 3-2 best team in apac atm
Ok dragons
So much emotional investment in Philly redemption arc shattered
But at least chengdu exist I guess
shut sorrel
hot take
Twilight isn’t bad but I don’t think shock can win with viol2t and fd god
That’s one too many feeders
forest raven
static shell
Viol2t is fine and twilight is fine, fdgod is a feeder
stuck sparrow
Yea that was fucking embarrassing for them lol
Sort of
Super was getting completely diffed on eichenwald
static shell
Shock is used to having an aggressive flex support and a passive main support, now their entire support line save for twilight is aggressive
static shell
Super was getting completely diffed on eichenwald
Can a rein do much with a feeding lucio?
stuck sparrow
I mean that’s not really why he was dead off cooldown
He was just completely outplayed in every category
rare parcel
Houston lost?!
static shell
The way super prefers to play is very strategical, very much so waiting for the right opportunity, if the lucio ain’t there to help that capitalization that rein can’t do shit or can’t back up
FDGod is 100% the weakest player on the shock lineup rn
He’s not bad
rare parcel
I knew something bad is gonna happen when they showed he was not feeling very up at the moment
static shell
But he doesn’t quite fit yet
stuck sparrow
I feel so bad for glister tho lol. He really got signed just to have a flex support player over him
rare parcel
Dallas fuel went from loss to Justice to beating Shock and Outlaws. How did they become so good in such short amount of time?
static shell
Because with that new and more aggressive player, you either need to find a way to capitalize off of the new and less stable aggression and become really good at that glass cannon playstyle or tell that newer more loose cannon to slow down
rare parcel
they also won without a hitscan player
static shell
Dallas fuel went from loss to Justice to beating Shock and Outlaws. How did they...
Or how did shock and outlaws play so bad?
stuck sparrow
Dallas r better without xzi
static shell
I’m a huge shock fan
stuck sparrow
Sorry but they’re washed
static shell
But they need to figure out what to do with two aggro supports
static shell
Sorry but they’re washed
Unstable more like it
Guarantee you they can adapt by the end of the season
rare parcel
Striker didn't play really well too. For one of the best Tracers in the league I expected more from him tbh
static shell
Cus that’s what they’re good at, and what they’ve always been good at, adapting to loosing scenarios
stuck sparrow
Losing to Houston in such an embarrassing way and then getting swept by Dallas is so ridiculous that it’s more than unstable
They also lost ans and rascal which have proven to be devastating for them
Nero can not live up to rascal at all
rare parcel
and Moth
static shell
Losing to Houston in such an embarrassing way and then getting swept by Dallas i...
Both of which happened within the first two weeks of the new season with again, the new fully aggressive support line
stuck sparrow
Yea but fdgod can replace moth shoes
static shell
Gurantee you give shock to stabilize themselves and figure out how to hold their own in this open meta, and they’re easily at least top 4 this season
rare parcel
I have been hearing people talk about Glister, but they never let him in. What's happening with this guy?
stuck sparrow
Idk lol I’d be so pissed if I were him
tawdry hamlet
Tbf they dropped maps to Houston playing random shit like taiyo and it was a very close 3-2 that came down to final fight so if they'd played their normal lineup on lijang they'd probably have had a better chance
static shell
I have been hearing people talk about Glister, but they never let him in. What's...
He’s better at longer range poke, which the meta doesn’t support rn
stuck sparrow
Glister is a hitscan player that is being benched by a flex support who is playing mccree lmao
That’s actually so disrespectful on so many levels
tawdry hamlet
Nero isn't rascal, and their widow isn't getting picks every 30 seconds and they don't have a dependable strong heal bot like they used too. Is sadge
static shell
That’s actually so disrespectful on so many levels
And bringing super in for genji isn’t?
rare parcel
Ashe is meta wdym
static shell
Ashe is meta wdym
No she isn’t
earnest leaf
Viol2t on cree is most likely a pre-planned strat from scrims
tawdry hamlet
Meta is map dependent
static shell
Mei cree is
earnest leaf
Where they might prefer his shotcalling or synergy over glister's cree
tawdry hamlet
But in rush they play mei cree or sombra tracer is more common in dive
rare parcel
well they should have let him play ash for volskaya I think
earnest leaf
Regarldess Viol2t on mcree wasn't the reason they lost today
static shell
^^^^
stuck sparrow
Nero isn't rascal, and their widow isn't getting picks every 30 seconds and they...
Nero is so cocky and to see him get destroyed was pretty satisfying
rare parcel
tbh I agree here this dude has an ego bigger than Super shatter on stream
stuck sparrow
Super getting diffed on his best hero was so funny
earnest leaf
just confidence
stuck sparrow
That’s completely cocky
tawdry hamlet
Most players aren't actually cocky, dogman said most of the drama and shit talking is to just drum up hype for a match and none of it's really real lmao
static shell
Super getting diffed on his best hero was so funny
I just gotta ask, you play MT, like at all?
stuck sparrow
Saying u can beat a professional team on social media in front of thousands of fans is cocky
earnest leaf
No being cocky is saying something like "Eh this team is an easy 3-0 i'm not worried"
little tusk
So I guess dallas is nuts
stuck sparrow
No I play doom
static shell
Cocky is dragons last year
static shell
No I play doom
Ok so imma inform you about a little something, you can’t win as MT at the highest levels without a stable support line
tawdry hamlet
They are just house cats 
rare parcel
If he said something like ''yeah I believe we are going to have a pretty good chance against them'' instead of ''oh it's an easy 3-0, we have the expirience these guys are bad ez''
stuck sparrow
Shock as a whole played like ass
Mixture of that and Dallas playing very well
tawdry hamlet
They didn't play as a team and hucked in ults to try and just force fight wins 
Volskaya was a bruh moment
static shell
Better to lose early on in an OWL season than the end
stuck sparrow
Don’t downplay what Dallas did by saying shock played bad
static shell
Because the earlier you lose, the more time you have to recover
stuck sparrow
Facts what was striker doing for like the entire fight of last point volskaya
He held pulse for so long for no reason
tawdry hamlet
Nobody is downplaying Dallas, they literally beat justice 3-1 right after. Just saying shock did actually play like dog shit lmao
rare parcel
The problem with Shock is I feel like they underestimated every team in the league, because they are 2 times champs they got softer
tawdry hamlet
Don't think they realized that they had to try this season 
earnest leaf
Seems like an issue with reading the meta and playing together
tawdry hamlet
Since it seemed like they could meme around and gap most mid teams without even trying last year
earnest leaf
and a bit of mental boom
stuck sparrow
If Houston wasn’t a wake up call why would Dallas be a wake up call
static shell
The problem with Shock is I feel like they underestimated every team in the leag...
Well also keep in mind, when you are the best for two seasons, everyone is gonna be looking at you and learning how to beat you
stuck sparrow
Shock glory days r over
static shell
Shock can definitely come back
tawdry hamlet
The most confusing thing out of all of this is the 3-0 on mayhem and the win over gladiators
rare parcel
If Houston wasn’t a wake up call why would Dallas be a wake up call
because they though the only team to worry about is one and it's Houston. Now they realize that most the teams have gotten better so they will adapt
static shell
They just seriously need to take another look at how they approach these games
tawdry hamlet
I assume they will level out like shanghai did. Shanghai was a mess their first couple series
static shell
Washed implies Seoul dynasty season 1 into season 2
tawdry hamlet
But now they are back up
static shell
I assume they will level out like shanghai did. Shanghai was a mess their first ...
Exactly
static shell
Shock has always been good at adapting
static shell
Gladiators were ass
I mean you see what space did on Anubis last week?
stuck sparrow
Yea but so r the other teams
stuck sparrow
If shock played chengdu they would get wiped
stuck sparrow
Everyone loves a good underdog story
rare parcel
tbh I was actually really suprised by fuel. I wasn't mad I was just suprised how good they got in matter of days after the loss from justice
stuck sparrow
Justice lost today unfortunately tho
tawdry hamlet
I wonder if spitfire can bring it back this year or if they'll go like 5-20 like last season titans
They desperately need new talent or something though
They just get hard mopped up every fight
stuck sparrow
I like how the justice twitter supports the dabebe meme
rare parcel
What's the weakest team right now? I think it's Spark this season currently
tawdry hamlet
GZ outside of double shield meta is the weakest team in existence deadass
stuck sparrow
But they have cool colors tho
tawdry hamlet
Titans is the weakest overall team rn though
rare parcel
but most people that like them don't even watch the league lol
they probably think they are the best team xd
tawdry hamlet
Spitfire at least has like contenders pedigree I guess but titans have a washed Linkzr and like atlanta's b team lmao
stuck sparrow
It’s so annoying how there games are broadcasted at like 4 am est
tawdry hamlet
I stayed up until 6am to watch the apac games. It's just what ya gotta do since the entire world isn't american after all
earnest leaf
no valiant is still the worst
rare parcel
on the toronto vs florida game Why didn't they bring Logix into the game?
earnest leaf
Their roster is tragically ass
stuck sparrow
Damn lol
tawdry hamlet
Idk I feel like with valiant they at least have some hope of pulling out a couple wins but I can't fathom a situation other than london that is winnable for titans
earnest leaf
Valiant has no hope on beating a team
tawdry hamlet
They have fire who is just like idek he exists I'd expect to see someone like him in contenders, Roolf the healbot, shredlock lmaoo, and then like C+ or B tier on everyone else
If that even
earnest leaf
Titans is indeed dogshit
tawdry hamlet
Valiant at least takes a couple maps sometimes 
tawdry hamlet
Titans only took one map from Toronto where they played fuckin beast monke lmaoo
earnest leaf
they did take a map off justice
rare parcel
Shock also made a stupid mistake not to reset. They lost 1 or 2 people at the start of the teamfights and 3 people just continue fighting instead of going for a next teamfight with the whole team
stuck sparrow
Justice always lose a map t
tawdry hamlet
Hopefully mid season titans can somewhat edge out wins like their late season Atlanta win last season
That was a great series
But they also had shockwave back then
tawdry hamlet
Teru is in fact a highlight
Linkzr is just like still in the league because of his name at this point lmao
Dalton is like lower mid at every hero he plays and the rest are like contenders tier
Dalton cree is his only redeeming factor but Linkzr has cree already
rare parcel
On volskaya the could have had 2 teamfights before losing looking at the time left. Instead they when 3 people died at the last one instead of resetting they wasted their clock to 1 instead of 2 teamfights smh
tawdry hamlet
Titans and London desperately need a leader. They both just look lost trying to play like top level ladder players and not owl players
Paris even looks that way at times
Neptuno is lowkey not a great captain and daan is feed king
tawdry hamlet
Yes
crisp condor
||how did the mayhem beat the justice??? Also, chengdu are the only ones who people thought would be in here||
||everyone else was a surprise ||
crisp condor
||fuel ||
upbeat citrus
LETSGOOO
karmic grotto
Did Rush actually saw the best meta
upbeat citrus
im in shock how bad SF have been doing ngl
karmic grotto
Reaper Sombra dive
upbeat citrus
Yk what surprised me when i started watching OWL
the amount of mei and sym that they play
its weird
like ive never seen em play bastion yet
karmic grotto
Bastion was played last year finals tournament
upbeat citrus
ooh
yea i didnt watch last year
i started this year cuz my friend was like
lets watch OWL and i was like
meh
then i started watching and mygod i lov it
upbeat citrus
i feel like dallas has always been THAT team to prove you wrong
cuz everyone was like
nah SF is gonna win
jokes on u buddy
little tusk
I don't even know why dallas is doing so well
didn't justice beat dallas like a week ago 3-1
upbeat citrus
i think they did but
idk they really stepped it up
but honestly i feel bad for paris cuz onigod was kinda suffering that day
shouldve like swapped him out or smth
idle gorge
Ok wtf happened tonight Dallas 3-0 twice wtf
vagrant cargo
They found their shit
And it was a good meta for them
Dallas going nuts in a good meta for them aint thaaat surprising
idle gorge
I mean 3-0’ing the shock like wtf
vagrant cargo
Yeah that one was surprising
idle gorge
While the shock have the best rein and tracer in the world
vagrant cargo
But shock are wildly inconsistent this season
vagrant cargo
Like the shock that faced glads and mayhem is not the same as the shock that played dallas etc
upbeat citrus
shock has been weirdly bad
vagrant cargo
Wouldnt say bad
upbeat citrus
they lost to outlaws
vagrant cargo
Just not consistenr
vagrant cargo
But the crusty crackpipe gonna kick in
upbeat citrus
2 time champs in a row and now they droppin
vagrant cargo
Just a question of time
upbeat citrus
weird
idle gorge
Ye idk what is happening, but with a superstar team like they have they should be winning these games
novel owl
when is the next game again
vagrant cargo
Last season was the same
They lost to valiant and glads in one weekend
Played fuel super close
Etc
novel owl
thx
upbeat citrus
mah boi zhongli
vagrant cargo
Im just glad houston got clapped
novel owl
lol symm sweep
idle gorge
I would’ve liked to see Houston do well tbh
novel owl
same
idle gorge
Overrated they beat shock 3-2 in a really good game, Danteh is playing out of his mind their tanks are good their supports too how are they overrated
vagrant cargo
That shock houston game was not good in terms of quality imo
Both teams played rlly sloppy
Same for the dallas vs houston match
Houston arent bad but they arent top tier
And a bunch of ppl had them top 3 in NA
upbeat citrus
all i know from that round is that one of the mfs on shock was
in shock
from a shatter
tawdry hamlet
willow tartan
man, NA knockouts were stomps in both brackets
mortal abyss
The only competitive knockout match was philly shanghai
willow tartan
well how amazing that match was made up for it tbh
mortal abyss
Whoops
willow tartan
maybe I'm biased (I am) but I can't see dallas winning the may melee
mortal abyss
So is it Dallas shanghai first match
tawdry hamlet
Chengdu are just better, and shanghai have a fat roster advantage
mortal abyss
Oh it’s double elim
mortal abyss
Chengdu are just better, and shanghai have a fat roster advantage
Well that’s what we thought about shock and Houston and look how that turned out 👀....
tawdry hamlet
Since that comp was fucking even with a hitscan counter
willow tartan
idk man it just seems that east is a whole level above west in terms of the top teams atm
tawdry hamlet
That's because only 2 teams in the east are actually good lmaoo
willow tartan
fusion are good
willow tartan
3/8 is the same as 4/12
mortal abyss
Wot
tawdry hamlet
Top west teams are just messes that somehow work at the moment
tawdry hamlet
If only they forced monke a lot like apac
I find apac enjoys double bubble far more than others for some reason
mortal abyss
It’s always been that way
willow tartan
I could watch primal juggles all day
mortal abyss
The east has historically always preferred dive whereas na and Eu have leaned more towards rush
tawdry hamlet
They also abuse Pharah far more heavily. NA seems to have forgotten a real pharah player can actually be effective
willow tartan
are there any good pharah players in west though
mortal abyss
The east has historically always preferred dive whereas na and Eu have leaned mo...
It goes further like China preferring ball based comps while kr prefers winston
tawdry hamlet
Danteh himself tweeted pharah op iirc
I mean shit yzn had like 7 accounts in top 10 on her
Like we saw Jinmu just destroy the nyxl with it
willow tartan
is yzn a player?
willow tartan
what org does he play for
tawdry hamlet
Depends. Last I saw him in contenders was on Dubai sandstorm but he also was on avoided at one point I think. Haven't really seen much of him since though
He's in middle east but plays 200 ping na servers and fucks
willow tartan
what are your prediction for may melee
mortal abyss
Either shanghai or Dallas win everything
willow tartan
first match is dragons vs mayhem, ez game
then dallas vs chengdu
ez game
then fuel should beat mayhem
tawdry hamlet
Depends, fuel are really strong on certain heroes but not flexible at all, if they try to match the rush from Florida Florida should win that I think
mortal abyss
Eh I think it depends on maps chosen and if Dallas can get fearless on rein/monkey for the entire series
In the rush mirror chengdu get obliterated
mortal abyss
They’re bad
willow tartan
even then, they might still be able to clinch out a W if they get more favored maps
tawdry hamlet
I highly doubt chengdu would try to deviate to rush
they are far too strong on the other comps to justify playing rein
at least I hope they do that
willow tartan
tbh i wouldnt be surprised if chengdu just throws against the fuel
like it'd be disappointing, but i could see it happening
mortal abyss
Yeah but if Dallas can force rush (like what philly did against chengdu) they can easily win
tawdry hamlet
they took a map off seoul with 3 people randomly inserted into their starting lineup and then proceeded to win the others easy
so they are very stronk and flexible
willow tartan
yeah what's up with seoul
tawdry hamlet
because seoul is inconsistent but not awful
they are still like top 4 apac on good days lmao
willow tartan
mhm
tawdry hamlet
but somedays gesture just hard feeds or somethin goes wrong
because some days they suck
in the chengdu series profit was trying his hardest to carry
willow tartan
now how do you think nyxl, gz and hz stack up against their west counterparts?
willow tartan
i wanna see hz play more, man
tawdry hamlet
that is chengdus biggest strength, the level of talent they have to work with
they have a top ball and monkey and a second top ball, stacked in every support they could ever need, and they have leave playing at his peak
good stuff
willow tartan
so many talented overwatch players man wtf
tawdry hamlet
yeah the talent ceiling this season got far higher because of the cost of running teams without homestands
so extra players just got dropped
willow tartan
oo that makes sense
tawdry hamlet
hence why western teams like atl dropped like 6 people in the off season
they dropped dogman sharp saucy pokpo and uhh
erster
granted they got replacements for 2 of those I think
and frd
yeah
and fire
lots of drops lmao
willow tartan
hunters and hz still run 12 man rosters though right?
mortal abyss
Ye
willow tartan
i guess they have homestands
tawdry hamlet
yeah but they are owned by mega corps that have a shit ton of money
bilibili is massive
willow tartan
mhm
tawdry hamlet
the spark house 👀
feral zodiac
So who went through to may melee?
mortal abyss
Dallas mayhem
willow tartan
fuel, mayhem, dragons, and, hunters.