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That excitement is going to be short lived when IMT and Whynot ruin another team of promising players
Gwangboong 
same
I watched chengdu last night and it was epic
Feath5r hitscan
Jjonak sombra and Gwangboong ana
how many said toronto would win just curious
I believe my signature would make 1
And as soon as I get a regular status I can post proof
the graphic literally had the glads on their own page by themselves at 12th so I ask what would have been meaner
Idk I figured atlanta wouldn't be able to choke with their roster but the tank dif 
Hawk is bottom 3 off tank no cap
Atlanta are so one dimensional that it hurts
Like even masaa has his moments but hawk is just consistently meh

And gator can't play dive to save his life
Yeah that happens
Sheeesh
that reverse sweep!
Also would you guys place the Outlaws above the Shock in the playoffs?
I'm excited for london because their tank line was running several different comps so they will at least be flexible ish dps aside
They had the ball comp, the rush, and the orisa
Was fun to watch in gauntlet
People buy into the Atlanta hype forgetting the players they keep from last year are mediocre at best and put all their faith in the dps line, hoping that next year it’ll have an effect on the tank and support line when there’s been little to no impactful coaching changes
lol the battle mercy
Striker was crying ._ . That's so sad
He was
Atl played vs teams that can win without forcing rush
So their tank line's weaknesses get noticable af
Do they all get paid for playing??
i believe so
Oh no what will Striker do without another cash prize of $50000
I don't see why it would be such a loss since they're always gonna compete right?
They get salary lmao
Yeah I don't think it's something to cry over but overwatch is stressful tbh
Zuppeh?
Most shock repeat guys are upwards of 400k
To have actual stakes could make that worse
yeah
I mean Shock has never been top in the regular season
I cry after losses too and I'm not getting paid lul
they get fixed salary unlike other esports where thats entirely up to you
lav hurts to watch lmao
Shock always shines in the playoffs
Oh no what about the Outlaws players who have experienced little to no victory

So I doubt that this upset will matter too much
You have the origins edition? What does that even do :v
But lets talk about shanghai
Mfw Linkzr made more winnings in widow tourney than his entire outlaws career

Why you guys capping on a player crying after a loss? Just let them cry it’s not hurting you
lets be real that striker mcree
is ATL really gonna be like S2 Titans
reddit trick
Why be sad about Shock players not adding more cash to their money bath instead of being happy about the entertaining upset and Houston players being ecstatic?
really dominant on one comp
was sick as hell
then when that comp turns out bad they just fall the fuck apart
Cause it ruins our OW Preds
But our preds were already ruined
I love Sado
wish i could gamble more on owl
I wish Toronto would do player content more
on non existent points
Name me one person who predicted Houston to win unironically
Slime
I have a die hard houston fan
I can't gamble on owl because I gamble too much in csgo already 
since s1 as a friend
wdym
Me, oh you mean against SHOCK
Whats the difference
He was just trolling but he got the points
When you realise gladiators have even worse ownership than valiant
Danny the Prophet predicted it smh
Full chengdu support the
Did they all genuinely pick Houston on the desk
He is either a prophet or a psychopath
Danny just knows too much
he's a script writer
Still can’t believe people thought Atlanta would beat Mayhem
He has been with these Korean players translating the top players he clearly knows something from KR social media
sCriMBuX
Hmmmm what are NA rankings then?
uhh
On paper ofc
Real ones or power
Power
All those years of knowledge has come to this. Accept chaos, predict no other teams but the ones you believe in
They should be
they are useless
but its funny to see
u gotta wait for a meta change to happen to get a gauge on all the teams
true
I mean we havent even a lot of the teams play
we need a stable meta to get proper rankings
like justice
But probably shock > outlaws > justice > fuel > >>>> Eternal > Titans > Glads
Chengdu Philly and Mayhem currently top 3 I believe
Based off teams that played
you think outlaws will be better than fuel when they get a proper hitscan?
hunters look way better than past seasons
Well
Hmmm
tough question
Is Diem in a team?
ga9a is insane, and their support line got better too
so u cant scrim well against it
shd
and what about mayhem
I thought he left Shanghai
Mayhem Outlaws comes down to map pool
He left and renegotiated a contract
outlaws over shock?
Mayhem have been hard underrated since the start of the season and everyone thought I was crazy for having them 5/20 in my rankings
This is current
yea
Not end of season
mayhem poggers
ah
I guess they can probably pick up Libero
Shock has a loss quota
we need ans to come out of retirement and play for the fuel
They can’t be best in the region record wise so they sandbag for a better seed
that's the legendary lineup
yeah beginning of year they dont do the best
When does MN3 turn 18?
Shock is always weirdly slow in the beginning of the season
But after the may melee I can see the meta easily swapping to double bubble/double shield
I’m not even surprised Outlaws did this well
They kinda are all grinders
Every single one of them plays a lot lot of ranked
Outlaws just got together
man double shield i like
Or maybe they pull a beginning of season Titans and start losing to teams around the same level as S3 Charge and Hunters 
they gotta get back in the groove
And Viol2t becomes S3 Jjonak
rip
also is it a hot take to say rush meta is the meta that gives worse teams the better chance at winning?

Nope, I think its a good take
Because rush is simple, it's ooga booga run it down mid
I think the Shock Supports died way too much in that game against Houston
Yeah no
Other metas like double shield and double bubble shows off team coordination much more imo
and Happy played the best I've ever seen
Happy took shock and kicked them in the teeth
Viol2t and FD need to stop playing that aggro
then spat on them
Happy can aim really good
They can play that aggro
happy just streaky
just not vs happy lmao
Viol2t needs to stop playing mans washed
On fucking Oasis
Houston has generally performed very well
Viol2t is washed?
Looking much better than S3
But in the end, only first two matches of the season
That shit was clean
He will be by the end of the season
For all we know shock and houston will crumble and Toronto will be the best in NA
No
..... what
please
its titans vs eternal
dont even @ me
Now that is a reality I can get behind
Boston #1
Toronto plays well but they just feel so underwhelming for how good they could be
Eternal ez
I'm very curious to see justice play though
yeah daddy decay carry
Justice could probably be top 5 NA team
Glads looked quite rough
I’m going to go feral if someone calls Justice support line bad again
They’re not bad, just bottom 5
It’s like watching people say Valiant are bad when it’s very clear they haven’t watched a single apac game
Yeah but I’ve seen teams play with Bebe and teams play without Bebe
I will give you guys this warning now, I will clown on you if you try to talk about a match you didn’t watch, I’ve seen so many of you do it and I think this is the year I fight back
Based
i really thought charge would take 1 game this weekend
Did Justice play this weekend?
then they didnt take 1 map
ive been watching lav vs hunters and i can confidently say they are bad
No
Haven't seen London, Spark, and NYXL play either yet
Bebe is only awful because of who he is competing against
Also
Shock just needs to force Striker/Nero/Super/Choi/Viol2t/FDgod
just run those on rush at all times
legit the only map they took was cuz they hunters soloulted ppl lmao
For rush yeah
They can probably force that lineup on rush vs any team and win
So long as the map supports rush
Like that lineup is the only one that took maps off houston and drawed
Yeah but it’s a shame Bc not every map will let them do that
Bebe > Wya Roolf Crimzo and maybe Ripa
He is only being claimed as good because he is playing for a good team
What about if Bebe was on the Charge?
where does bebe play on again
Justice
So I know teams get paid for this game
But why the fuck do they run lineups/comps that lose
Just stick to what works and win
plz
because bm
Doom Junk Orisa Ball Zen Lucio comp works about as well as Stand1 is going to work for the Uprising
that sounds like a way to get echo dive force on you
I watched the valiant game and honestly, if the charge play like they have been or if spark in spark fashion flops I could see them losing a series to valiant, but chengdu looks rock solid right now and I think every other team can mechanic dif them maybe?
they looked a lot better than anyone would expect at least which is something
shock prob couldve even won 3-0 if they stuck with striker and nero/glister for dps and put in twilight instead of viol2t
very cohesive for a hastily assembled group
we'll see how long its take for valiant to take a match
All it takes for valiant to win is a team shitting the bed for one week
the only ppl that looked decent to me was chowcheng and mulanran
or whatever theyre called
this tbh
shock messed around too much
underestimated them i think in the beginning
cost em
Eh super got rein diffed a bit too hard on lijang for me to say it would be a 3-0 with striker in
maybe
but who knows
Happy was diffing every mcree they threw at him lmao
just sticking to 1 team for the meta is better than messing with subs
they literally threw what 3 different cree players at happy?
they never thew viol2t mccree
at happy
iirc
if happy and jjanggu pops off they could prob take a map against shocks A team
ta1yo and striker, and did glister play any cree at all I don't remember it was a long ass series
they did i think
I also found it strange how Happy shows how good Hanzo is on Anubis
And Shock just go
ta1yo, striker and glister
Mmmm McCree
Outlaws win against Shocks A Team ez
outlaws weren't able to beat shock's A team
I am just amazed at how well the tank line just adapted to the higher level of play like it was nothing
dropped 2 maps and a draw to it
If the A Team includes Viol2t then Crimzo support diffs easily
they put glister on tracer for some reason
crimzo > Viol2t?
looked just as good as they did in contenders in their debuts, really liking piggy jjangu so far
¯_(ツ)_/¯
is hype
yo wait what was the name of that website where you choose scores and get points and stuff
fr outlaws played well
Everybody > Viol2t if he takes the “try not to tell someone to commit suicide” challenge
did u watch it in tab?
happy was pog
hmmm idk
is there like a cap to how many tokens you can earn
tokens are prob delayed
must be
I made an attempt to farm tokens on YouTube and the owl app
ill give it a wait
My worst role is my highest rank I don’t think the rust is going to make any difference
I got like 35 tokens today and later spent the 100 tokens on buying Hunters Ball
Theres no Max of tokens?
enough to buy the whole shop
Ye
Can I sell owl tokens for crypto currency?
theres 16 teams
ANTE UP
DON'T MESS WITH TEXAS
DREAMS SHATTERED JUST LIKE YOUR TEAM 
like 2 teams then
Ahh I see another one sees the flex support diff Crimzo has on Viol2t
yea u gotta spend money if u want all the owl skins for each hero
51,200 tokens
32 heroes, 20 teams
thats a lot of money

and also that lucio emote
We can get the tokens until agoust or Like that right?
until the end of the season
We all cope in different ways
How well do you guys think Spark and NYXL will do?
Are you guys receiving the owl skins after the matches?
gives u tokens
What
Coping after last night with Joe
Welcome to the club draw
i got tokens from the echo flash op
ya any owl stream
You team got beaten by a team projected to be worse from a Shanghai fan to a Shock fan 
Shock is cock 
the coke god
But his monkey is thicc
Yeah Shock got beat
Can Coke gaming sponsor him
Please
Is that coping too
also why does he drink so much coke
Draw your very first message read like cope ngl but now I got context so it’s less voor
My man be drinking a whole 2 liter coke
Cope
Trying to be a part of the league sponsorship payments
maybe he trying to get a coke making machine
Go back like five hours ago and all I said was shit like "me sad
" and feeling bad for the boys

hunters have been looking great all weekend, so nice to see them good for once
expect for a few blunders
I just feel really bad for striker
Looked so sad at the end
Yeah I’d be sad too if I lost the potential for a 6th tournament win and an extra 50k and the excitement of ripping the hope of a team that has never won away from their clutches 
Also my preds for the leaderboard are mega boomed
I won almost as many points off apac as I did for all of the NA games
I am somehow in 9th
Whose aren’t?
I am so far behind Bc I thought Seoul would plank and Shanghai wouldn’t plank
Charge are 
I wanna see philly vs chengdu
I’m literally impressed by two players on that team
or philly vs shd
Philly have a strong macro
So do Chengdu
If Shanghai play like they did today they aren’t beating either of them

Man was an absolute treat to watch
All the inconsistency of this years Seoul and Dallas rolled into one Finnish unit
They probably won’t
Chengdu will be one of the best teams in the entire league for a double fs meta
Also I’m more tired than Boston management when they tried desperately to get a better main tank so I’m gonna get some shut eye bye bi
what if shock are sandbagging so they can take out the higher seed teams earlier in the tournament
isnt that like
illegal
cuz like
throwing
and besides how would that help them
ah
they obviously were not sandbagging
oh yeah, whatchamacallit
yeah i love them
One of the better players on the uhhh
I really like their off role
Team
Yeah did you hear what that uhhh one player said about their coach last season
oh yeah the coach of uhhh that team
I heard that they did the uhhh thing to the player
Yeah I remember that one clip of them uhhh doing something
yeah that was a really cool clip on uhhhh that site
Yeah I’m really glad they made it onto uhhhh that team this season
espeically now that they are paired with uhhh them
Yeah they will hopefully pop off this season on uhhhh their role
Where can I check how much owl points I have besides in game ?
you cant
Philly seems had a rough time even if they pulled it off
Still want to see Paris, London, Boston, NY
Damn i could not watch all 3 matches yesterday but i got all my predictions right
So esports teams graphics and effects are all different colors
Must be a bit confusing sometimes
Not really, there's a ton of similar blues and reds
There could be a slight advantages :v
Isn't there a team that's all white and another all purple
Plus when you redeem an OWL skin for a team, you get a bonus away skin which look great on most teams
Are the hero picks in the league diverse or is there a set six?
I saw it on tv lol
The new token system is so nice, I got like 80 tokens last weekend
I think I’m just going to save for any like bigger owl skin for when they release so that I don’t have to spend €20 every time to get them
I still can’t get over how crazy the shock and outlaws ending was
How do you all feel about the OWL hosts?
I wake up and I’m still thinking about that earth shatter flank.
Taraaaaaaaaa
Howdy! 😄
Lol I’m sitting here in school thinking about the shatter flank
Next week
Yeah haha
and here i thought we had a plan..... no more tokens for a week
how did you manage to get only 50 tokens, i went from 15 to like 105
I went from 95 to 210
I only got 80 tokens but didn't watch 2 of the streams cause I would have had to get up at 7 -am to watch them
mine went from 82 to 122
i still beleive in the reign
same
even tho they have a bad start
same
i almost have every skin for atlanta, atleast for the ones i play, which is like half the team
me too lol
you and i have alot in common
yeah a lot of pain
yeah thats for sure
im still wondering how fell in love with the reign, i never watched one game from season one then i found the skins, i guess cause my fav color is red that i love them, then i first saw dafran seeing he was basically a god then boom i become pretty much upsest with them seeing the reign destroy everyone
yeah he was pretty good too
and stuck with the players cuz i like them
yeah but toxic
ye i heard of that later after it came out
Who won the matches yesterday
for Saturday
houston mayhem and toronto
i still cant even process the information that the outlaws (out of all teams) beat the shock
i was literally shaking at the end
damn toronto beat reign huh
all the upsets
houston beating shock dallas beating glads chengdu destroying shanghai
Let’s go defiant

the chuggers
Next week paris eternal vs vancouver titans
who do u peeps think will win this
PARIS OFC

Paris a full euro team
do you get owl points for watching vods
You sync your battle net with a YouTube account and watch
Sado doing marketing with the coca cola bottle
nope

Theres some owl stream at this hour?
No more owl until the 24th


Man people have some really bad recency bias
What a great first week
Wait
holdup
wait a minute
is owl done streaming for a while?
i got to 50 league tokens
nah
r there gonna be any more streams soon
friday its back
every weekend from friday to sunday
alr
lol
ofc he still has the xl coke
what a chad
fryday
reaper fryday
coke addict
justice bouta win every game
i honestly didnt expect ||defiant to beat reign||
I did
I had it 3-2 reign
so meh
rewatching SHD/CDH now
izayaki dies like 800 times with his ult
Reign are too one dimensional with their tanks and supports
And Defiant are still getting the hang of the team as a whole, Na1st and Michelle especially
i prefer atlanta hitscan over torontos
but toronto is a better team overall
none at ATL played particularly well yesterday
Time for you guys to mald but Heesu = Kai
what, you're gonna sub out kai?
depends
Please tell me you mean top 3 na and not overall
i cant compare apac so yeah
reign overrated as fuck
Honestly if Reign had like Poko and Benbest they would be in the mid-high tier for me
this is the exact same as last year
gator fine
people constantly overrate atlanta in discussions
hawk bad
but they never ever perform
and people keep saying ''but next week they'll be good!!!''
its literally the other way around
Scrimbux
ATL popular in the 5th-8th spot in the contest
too early to tell, but they should be right there by the end
atlanta is maybe just above the bottom teams
I had Scatlanta at 15th in my preseason rankings
maybe a tier above paris, london and titans
blizzard is for sure gonna fuck this up and buff tracer or orisa massively
some dumb shit
blizz should just not touch the game rn
it's balanced
nerf bap but yeah
is bap even that good in OWL tho
uh yeah
he makes you immortal
just not played a lot in this meta
he doesnt work with monkey
yeah thats what I mean
and dive is good
all 32 have been played at some point in a meaningful way
Idk if seeing sym actually being played makes me happy or confused
I love that everyone gets played
I feel like the game is starting to get dota issues a bit where some chars are perfectly balanced in comp but either useless or OP in pubs tho
but at the same time I see sym mei or sym doom and just go wtf
sym is just not fun to watch probably
yeah but thats always been a thing in comp and qp
symm is horrible
sym is fun to play as but watching her is kinda ????
i could probably go genji in rush and it'd work
idk there is some shit that works way better in OWL than in comp like tbh when was the last time you were like "thank god we have a ball"
thats because comp is overwatch minus all the teamwork
when was the last time you were like "thank god we have ball and dva"
if balls doesn't call his slams or mines
he's useless
if he does call them, he's probably doing well
ye I feel like it just makes tanks hard to balance
buff them so that people actually play them in comp and OWL gets fooked

no
wow
I was asleep
good for my mental
well it was great
This opening weekend has been very interesting though
@real iris please spoiler things the day after the matches
i would have lost my marbles
it has been a day
hmm i wouldnt go to discord and the esport channel before checking the matches but ok
- you do see the live reactions people had
well, yes, but the rules still exists
so idk how he could spoil anything
lol
i can write while its happening but not after
interesting
It might be worthwhile to do a match discussion, for live reactions, I know r/cow does that and it makes it really easy to not spoil or be spoiled
isnt it cooler to talk about recent events while they are still new
instead of waiting a day while pretending it didnt happen
Are we really stuck on a rule that makes complete sense? Just spoiler things for the first 24 hours. You can still talk about it just don't spoil it for the people who really want to see for themselves
yeah ig
Just learn how to use spoiler tags, dummy
Though I'll admit I must have broken this rule to death last year
Just watch the games live 5head
Chug
i just dont understand how you would go to the esports channel if you dont want to be spoiled
Sounds nice
I'll chug u ;)
Only when I get sponsored by bepis
I will only accept a bepis sponsor for my OWL content
and maybe draftbuff
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cheez its are lucky that it is such a memeable phrase
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will i still get drops if i watch playoverwatche`s stream instead of owl stream ?
it says co stream in the title
no only owl league stream gives tokens
k
co-streams are just so people can host it
like
if a houston fan wants to have a stream sided for houston fans
My main tank ladies and gentlemen
We got Chipotle for our celebration dinner! This is @FLMayhem 's first time eating Mexican food hahahah
also Slime aim noob @Slime000112 https://t.co/EQnlY7VeWm
959
smh slime
The children of crusty will take over crusty
Except Arachne
Who is he coaching
Charge
Pajion is Spark
Yeah they're garbage
Crusty is like high or something when coaching the shock this season
He really is
Hee always is
So
That's the secret
Not high enough
Crusty needs to get more weed
He put striker, nero, taiyo and violet on cree all in 1 game
I'm pretty sure
Almost half of the shock roster
Has been on cree
Every dps and violet
Keep in mind it’s not all the dps
Super got hard MTDed
Viol2t and FdGod were further forward than the rest of their team
Viol2t is washing up like Jjonak
The dps were doing the play ur non comfort pick challenge
And the supports were trying to out feed eachother
Why was striker not on tracer like ever
Yeah no
Should’ve sold your Viol2t stocks when you had the chance
Glister nero tracer lmao
Buy alarm stocks
I’ll tell you rn I can almost garuntee it’s Houston putting a ton of pressure on him
Already put them out of stock
Buy mano stocks
No
He smiled again
Buy Boston stocks
That was legit a mvp level performance by happy
Ah yes Stand1 > Mano
Rest of the team was good but happy was legit crazy
Boston fan omegalul
If Lori can pull off an absolute Moon/Crusty level masterclass with that guy I’ll eat my words in the form of alphabet soup
Just wait and see
Took more than that
This season for Boston is a building season until they can sign Proper and Someone
Danteh and piggy too
Jake still cracked too
Jake just great for comms
Jake brig
Jake Ball
Having jake as shot caller must be amazing
Smh shock should of perma forced striker nero super choi viol2t fdgod
Rush mirror and roll outlaws
That just wouldn’t have worked
That lineup won the 2 maps and drew once
Having Super and season 4 Viol2t on your starting lineup is suicide
That lineup got the rush maps
They did what they could and lost
I think they lost cuz they don’t know how to use their dps players yet imo
Probably Shock forcing the A team would have won
See, thats why i dont trust communities where many saying Muze was cracked, instead we got JJangu
But I still think Houston did pretty good
Also I really wanna know why striker cried when they lost, I hope it's just because he's tired or something and not that the pressure from coaching is that high
He cried because it means he gets less cash for his pool of money
I think the stress to perform well got to him
Ta1yo, Super malding, Striker
Super lol
Super malding gave me life
Jake has 100% winrate
Not wrong
Lol
some hours hours later https://twitter.com/ta1yo_tv/status/1384004183477481475
wasted
Wow man
He also tweeted something like “I want to be reincarnated to another world” or something like that in Japanese
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Ana
Even winston i am okay with
Will look good with my golden guns
But not mei
Anything but mei
Yeah but zarya, winston and mei have ugly regular skins
The owl colors can't save that
Ana with owl colors would look dope
I mean i would be really sad to lose to crimzo aswell
Legit nobody runs owl skins on any of the other 3
Top na fs btw
vote Mei, you fools
ANA
I play zarya alot and mayhem has nice colors
If i were to pick for players then all my skins would be shanghai
Mayhem colors
mcdonalds colors
Mcmayhem
He forgot the apology tweets to fans after they lose to houston
It was short but had a good run with these guys!! see you next time.. @shu_overwatch @skewedOw https://t.co/zg4i1CKZAC
1080
Thought this was a retirement tweet
God I can hope
Yo what’s wrong with Mr Indy-Anna?
Overrated imo
Oh god yeah he is but why do you hope for his retirement?
Idk I'm joking
I'd prefer it if people just stopped overrated him
He's not top 5
Nor is he top 10
Idk man
Choi, gargoyle, void, hotba, poko for sure bump him out of top 5
Hanbin, even Piggy could be better
Poko and hotba top 5??
Without mentioning fury
Or Lige
Or GBS
Or even like cr0ng
also hotba and poko over hanbin lol
Either low end top 10 or top like 15
theres only 20 owl teams
and some teams have multiple OTs
Did anyone get their opening weekend spray? I watched every single NA game, got all of my tokens, but didn't seem to get the spray
Since individually glads are stacked
oof Kruise and Boombox got replaced by a bunch of contenders players
Says they’re subs but wouldn’t surprise me to see Kruise riding the bench
birdring sadge
they left YaB
and apparently dallas is hinting their new dps
nenne is probably not gonna be it
any who doesnt have visa issues
Its gonna be violet
fuel just uploaded a YT video that they linked on twitter, not a HS signing tho
Stitch 
Pine
prolly gonna be a contenders player
Inb4 ans dips out of valorant and goes back to owl on the fuel
question: why do i have to register myself again, just for the perks / pick'm up program? i am already registered on blizz
ok so I have wondered, people say pine widow was nuts way back
but how does it stack up to modern widow gods like diem
is it the same tier or has the game changed so much it doesn't even compare
I didn't really watch a lot that far back

so it didnt compare back then either
Pine would lose to most decent widow players in the league now
Iirc he was flashy but inconsistent
has america ever had a hitscan talent that was competitive with other region hitscans?
Babybay was solid
the most competitive ones besides apac are eu like kai
Corey as well
when is america going to have another hitscan prodigy that doesn't just immediately go to a game where aim skills will get them much farther
well actually, when is america going to have a prodigy period lmao
pine wasn't that strong as widow, like carpe or other widow cracks. i dont udnerstand why his name is being even mentioned as widow crack




