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raw helm
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but they have spa9k1e xzi doha dps fearless tank and fielder sup

raw ermine
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that's true

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whose the tracer tho?

devout path
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striker on dallas

raw ermine
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right

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midseason, crusty's gonna give dallas striker

devout path
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yes

raw ermine
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your gonna be 1000000 iq when this happens

devout path
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mid-season tracer will be so dominant that blizzard nerfs tracer into the ground and crusty trades striker to dallas

raw helm
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xzi or sparkle

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can tracer

devout path
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all dps can tracer

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just none can championship tracer

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except very few

raw helm
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xzi's cree is insane

devout path
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mostly tracer specialists

raw helm
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he can probably hard counter tracer

devout path
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no

raw helm
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and they could just call someone up from their academy

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who can tracer

devout path
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you cant play cree against dive

raw ermine
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striker, profit, birdring, decay, all are better

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dallas doesn't have an acad team

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they dropped team envy

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not to mention

devout path
raw ermine
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team envy was all western

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/mostly western

hasty forum
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is the overwatch pro scene dead?

raw helm
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didn't know they dropped it

devout path
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no?

raw ermine
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no it's not dead

devout path
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why tf would it be dead

hasty forum
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idk dying game

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i was just asking i havent watched it in like 2 years

raw ermine
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the game and esports scene are both popular

devout path
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not dying game lol

raw ermine
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while it's true due to the fact that bliz is low on content as they prepare for OW2

raw helm
raw ermine
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and the contenders scene could be better

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it isn't dead

devout path
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tbh this is one of the best metas we have had recently

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so diverse

raw ermine
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dallas have already paid a ton of money this offseason

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another player isn't probably what they want

devout path
raw ermine
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not to mention, integrating such a tracer could be hard

devout path
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i havent seen korean contenders so idk how strong the tracers are

raw helm
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is glister good enough to fill the ans void in shock

devout path
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but kinda hard to find a good tracer this far into the offseason

raw ermine
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probably w/ the crusty dif

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although ans was something else

devout path
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maybe with crusty

raw ermine
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so not 100%

devout path
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c

next mesa
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ans was special

raw ermine
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but a good replacement

raw helm
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sad to see him go

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he was my favorite player

next mesa
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also sigma in contenders lets go be tracer 1 trick

devout path
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sigma isnt one trick

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just a good tracer

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i kinda want boston to pick up sigma as just a tracer specialist

raw helm
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wait

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what if Dallas could get Soon

devout path
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no

raw helm
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visa?

devout path
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still visa issues

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thats why soon got dropped from boston as far as i know

next mesa
raw helm
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is the uprising based in us?

next mesa
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a tracer 1 trick

devout path
raw ermine
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if soon couldn't make it to boston

next mesa
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dallas wouldnt be able to get soon the same reason he couldt get to boston

raw ermine
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dallas isn't gonna pick him up

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not to mention

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dallas is all korean

next mesa
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cree not good enough for owl level

devout path
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hard for soon to comm

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yes

raw helm
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why did haksal retire

devout path
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thats why im saying tracer specialist for boston

raw ermine
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probably cause of the titans implosion

devout path
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but they just simply arent a one trick

raw helm
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but he was on nyxl

raw ermine
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maybe sprinkle in some IMT nonsense

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still tho

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imagine an org separating one of the most beloved and long lasting group of players

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that were championship tier

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you no longer have any of your friends w/ you

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it would really discourage you

raw helm
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true

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do you guys think lhcloudy will make it back to owl

raw ermine
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maybe in an outside shot after covid, rejoining paris or something

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he could just become a streamer and go from there tbh

raw helm
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is he viable as a rein one trick?

raw helm
next mesa
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lhcloudy

raw ermine
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still tho

next mesa
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not really

raw ermine
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he is a popular streamer

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he could ditch pro play

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and stream

next mesa
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he'd have to play a super type role

raw helm
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super can play orisa a little bit

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and sigma but i guess choi is better than him at that

next mesa
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super isnt gonna play anything other than hog and rein

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because smurf is just bette

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r

raw ermine
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I remember hearing that if crusty had more time, smurf would be the hog

next mesa
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well no

raw helm
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thoughts on fusion roster? They look stacked but I'm worried they'll go down the nyxl route

next mesa
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he said that smurf had the better hog in scrims

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wait

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or something about smurf saying his hog better

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but he be chocking in scrims

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or was it in the games

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i dont fuckin remember

raw ermine
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fusion are gonna need time to warm up

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to the new players

raw helm
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also who is @fuckitseominsoo on twitter

next mesa
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a legend

raw helm
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is it a meme account

raw ermine
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yeah

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seeing as he posts seominsoo reaction images

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yeah

devout path
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cant think of a team that needs a rein off the top of my head

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cloudy wouldnt join the titans

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valiant is apac

raw ermine
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no way he would join valiant

devout path
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valiant dropped all na players so cloudy would not even be offered

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this is why boston is top 5 na

unknown.png
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THE president of gaming

sullen berry
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okay but still, that's the PoG

tawdry hamlet
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Jeez if boston wanted a rein one trick to keep on the bench they should have swapped fusions for cloudy

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Cloudy is a beast rein loll

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I mean I know fusions has orisa but like it's fusions come onn

storm cloak
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So

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No moth and Ans retired

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Why go to valorant aghhhhh. Ans was literally like the best sniper in the league

devout path
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cuz ans enjoys valorant more

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ig

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plus newer game more longevity

tawdry hamlet
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mental health, plus he is on a b team for t1 so he isn't under the intense pressure of being the best widow in the world and constantly grinding like he had been

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since I imagine the pressure of making sure your skill stays up to meet the expectations a top tier team needs is hard whereas players on a team like boston were probably far less stressed as they knew they weren't going to win a championship or anything regardless

devout path
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Boston might now

tawdry hamlet
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I can see this roster getting lucky and getting top 5 just maybe if atlanta florida and toronto all flop

frozen tiger
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NYXL For Life

cursive plover
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fuck

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Isn't moth on glads though

flat stratus
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Dude

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I'm new to overwatch

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and then I'm being told to be aware of my Game sense

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and then being told im trash by a DPS player

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Like are you serious?

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the most played Role is DPS and your shit talking to a new player

balmy wolf
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if you are new youre probably trash lol

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so hes right

flat stratus
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I was told to go in the front lines as a tank

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which i was already doing

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and then he was like why are you fucking dead

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Like what does he fucking wants?

balmy wolf
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btw this is the esports channel

flat stratus
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A tank who has no fucking back up?

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Like every game i been playing all has been like shit talkers

balmy wolf
flat stratus
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why is there not a option to fucking disable chat

balmy wolf
balmy wolf
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/hidechat

cursive plover
sullen berry
hot onyx
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No offence but if this is ordered from left to right then this is singlehandedly the worst tier list I have seen in my life since the iDubbbz fast food tier list

balmy wolf
tawdry hamlet
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I mean you literally just move boston atlanta right and put hz and gz a tier up

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And it's not awful

hot onyx
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Spitfire 19th

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You need to have a ton of faith in Teru to put Titans anywhere above 19th

tawdry hamlet
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With shax and this current meta they'll do a lot better than they're projected

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Imo

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Since eu king of rush

hot onyx
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Unless I deserve an F in geography, the only eu player on Titans is Linkzr

tawdry hamlet
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I was referring to london Salutations

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My b

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But titans idk lmao

hot onyx
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Ahhhh got it

tawdry hamlet
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They have atlanta's b team and a relatively unknown t2 dps with dalton Linkzr

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And shredlock loll

hot onyx
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I mean, if you can name me one player on the Titans that isn’t the worst player in NA for that role then I’m all ears

balmy wolf
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teru gonna be the jerry of last year

tawdry hamlet
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Frd isn't the worst I think 🤔 is he mt or ot

balmy wolf
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ot

hot onyx
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OT

tawdry hamlet
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Because I think fusions is worst mt

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Ah

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Then idk loll

balmy wolf
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frd better than ellivote

tawdry hamlet
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Hmm shredlock vs fusions who's worse

hot onyx
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Shredlock is better monke Fusions is a much better rein

tawdry hamlet
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Yeah, I wonder if fusions is even any good at rein anymore by comparison to other reins

hot onyx
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Fusions > Super

tawdry hamlet
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Loll

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His rein was good at a time but imo it's never been best or anything

hot onyx
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Yeah he sorta fell off after 2018 world cup

tawdry hamlet
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To me sort of the same thing like gator where they excelled for a time in t2 and then just fell off

balmy wolf
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gator on the rise tho

tawdry hamlet
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He's like B tier now but things are lookin good Salutations

hot onyx
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Biased? Noooo

tawdry hamlet
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I am excited to see stand1 since it was wildn they played him in playoffs after a season on the bench and he somewhat held up so I wonder if he was up to that insane cracked shanghai standard or more like dding where they just sort of were on the team

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Either way fat step up from fusions

hot onyx
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Fat step up but still a bottom 5 mt imo

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I would honestly much prefer Hadi

mortal abyss
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Fusions at 2018 World Cup only did welll because brig was able to bash through shields so him and kyb just comboed and got massive shatters off it

tropic herald
sullen berry
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spoken like a real one

vagrant cargo
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In NA

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Neither will fire be the worst MS

next mesa
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Who worse ms

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Neptuno

hot onyx
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Worst MS will probably be Kellex or Joobi if he doesn’t get the right resources

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But unless we’re specifically talking worst brig, Neptuno is definitely not the overall worst MS

hot onyx
vagrant cargo
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Neptuno is prolly the worst NA MS

hot onyx
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If Paris struggle with ping then you’re probably right there

devout path
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Not ordered tho

hot onyx
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Fair enough lmao

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But are those rankings for Fusion considering Shockwave Eqo Poko Astro with or without 250 ping or Fusion with Hotba/Tobi?

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Because Glads are good but not 2 tiers above Philly good even if the Mano pickup flops imo

devout path
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If I could move philly I’d move them half a tier up

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If I can remember I think it was with hotba tobi

hot onyx
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Aight then that’s fair that they’re not rated as high as my biased ass would’ve preferred lmao

devout path
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Depending on how far visa issues goes changes philly’s place drastically

hot onyx
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That’s fair since imo fusion > glads at full power

devout path
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Debatable

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I think glads are championship contenders

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But I don’t think there is a way philly does better than dragons without very lucky meta timings

hot onyx
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Other than a sombra meta I honestly don’t know what Fusion’s weak meta would really be

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Carpe and Rascal are an S-Tier dps duo with Shockwave for double hitscan and Eqo for Genji

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Heck if the meta shifted to something dumb like genji/echo I would argue that Philly is the best possible team for that meta

devout path
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What even would be genji echo

hot onyx
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Eqo genji Rascal echo

vagrant cargo
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Rascal genji>eqo genji

devout path
hot onyx
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Hero pools are activated for the June Joust and Countdown Cup so it’s not impossible

devout path
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Maybe Winston dva but you’d want tracer sombra/echo more for most dive comps

hot onyx
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Or maybe more passive genji with double shield bap zen

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If ashe and mcree get banned from the pool it can happen

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Or even echo/mei

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If torb got playtime thanks to hero pools then double flex dps can as well

ivory mason
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wouldnt ester genji and fleta echo be good aswell

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if we come to a comp like this which i dont will happen unless genji gets a huge buff

digital cloud
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My exact thoughts ^

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Fleta and erster would probably be best on a dumb meta like genji echo

tawdry hamlet
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I barely remember erster genji

raw ermine
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we don't remember erster playing anything other than hanzo, mei, brig, and doom

next mesa
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Erster has that fuck you energy that fleta doesn't have

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Like the Genji meta

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Fleta isn't the kind of player that's like pocket the shit out of me I carry

raw ermine
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that kinda makes sense

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double projectile won't ever happen

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tho

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!!owl2021

young fractalBOT
karmic grotto
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almost time

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for owl

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16th

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so soon

next mesa
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YESSSSSS

digital cloud
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Has double projectile ever been a thing?

trail perch
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genji doom

raw ermine
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maybe early s2 playoffs?

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shanghai ran pharah doom for a bit

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or I guess before role lock

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in stage 3 meta

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ball triple dps

hot onyx
ivory mason
sullen berry
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My countdown is busted

next mesa
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a lot of teams have an s tier dps line on paper

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everyone has stacked dps line

mortal abyss
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Yeah

ivory mason
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yea

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@mortal abyss izayaki and leejaygon also very good

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moth and shuu maybe aswell

mortal abyss
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True

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They are very good

ivory mason
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cant say the same thing about violet and fdgod

mortal abyss
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But not as good as alarm/astro

ivory mason
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violet is amazing

next mesa
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alarm astro is not the best support line

mortal abyss
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Yes it is

balmy wolf
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Not when one's on 5 billion ping it ain't

mortal abyss
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Oh yeah for sure but this is assuming Astro isn’t on ping

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Like last year

balmy wolf
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i still think moth/shu's better

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but not by a lot

ivory mason
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izayaki and leejaygon

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stop sleeping on izayaki

mortal abyss
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Maybe I should change my name to best support duo rather then line

ivory mason
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shanghai destroyed philly in grand finals

mortal abyss
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Because fusion doesn’t have a 2nd flex support

mortal abyss
balmy wolf
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I don't think people sleep on izayaki, it's just that LeeJaeGon's got... problems.

plush grail
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ENGAGE FEED DRIVE

balmy wolf
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the guy feeds to a hilarious degree

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My problem with Shanghai's support line definitely ain't Iza

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god I wish Superich made it to OWL

ivory mason
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i think he doesnt feed

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he is just really really agro

balmy wolf
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he's all of LJG's skill with none of the feeding

ivory mason
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he was stupid in that game against shock

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he took them lightly for some reason and wanted to make plays

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but his brig is on a different level

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specially with one year as a player under him he can now maybe adjust his playstyle better

balmy wolf
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He sorta needs to, especially if apac embraces brawl

plush grail
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tbh if brawl becomes meta

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ljg could still play super aggro

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as long as his rein follow

balmy wolf
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yeah but if he still feeds then... that can't happen

next mesa
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astro mercy and brig are bad

balmy wolf
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Astro's Mercy

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Is so fucking bad

next mesa
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ljg has the brig advantage

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and moth has the mercy advantage

balmy wolf
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How do Philly fans defend Astro's Mercy in finals

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I have no idea

next mesa
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fdgod has better brig too

plush grail
balmy wolf
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:^)

ivory mason
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astro is only a good lucio

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there best brig is alarm

next mesa
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the diff between shu izayaki alarm viol2t is not the as big as ms diff

ivory mason
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and they dont have a second flex support to play ana or bap

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like last year with boombox

next mesa
ivory mason
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unless they stick with tobi

next mesa
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and fits just clicked his head

balmy wolf
next mesa
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embarassing

ivory mason
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tobi can play mercy and maybe brig i guess

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tbh

plush grail
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also astro is never touching brig on ping

ivory mason
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violet is just a better flex support then most others

balmy wolf
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Tobi's Mercy is
fine

plush grail
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brig on ping = legit fucking hell

ivory mason
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i rate violet very highly

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he has pop off potential

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like alarm

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izayaki and shu doesnt

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they are very stable

next mesa
balmy wolf
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i hope apac goes with brawl, it'll make the region more fun to watch. and that's coming from someone that really likes double bubble. APAC going brawl closes things up even more.

next mesa
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astro talking mad shit in the grand finals trash talk segment when they know they were getting their ass cheeks clapped in scrims must've been so hard

ivory mason
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who wins the rein battle in apac

plush grail
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mano

ivory mason
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mano better then fate?

balmy wolf
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No way

ivory mason
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i think marvel or fate

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are better

next mesa
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rein is fate's weaker heroes

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right

plush grail
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fate probably has a better team but a fair 1v1 mano would win for sure

next mesa
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according to dpei

balmy wolf
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who's 1v1ing in pro brawl??

next mesa
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marve1 has a good rein

plush grail
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do we even have any top tier reins in apac rn

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fearless is gone

balmy wolf
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like

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Takoyaki?

ivory mason
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never seen him play

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so cant say much

plush grail
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isn't he fs

ivory mason
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gaga might be very good

balmy wolf
ivory mason
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ppl are rating gaga very highly

plush grail
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time for mano to pop off again

ivory mason
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i am pretty excited for na region

next mesa
mortal abyss
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Astros brig is good

next mesa
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this so funny

ivory mason
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washington , glad and shock

next mesa
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illicit actually doing pretty good in contenders though

balmy wolf
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i just wanna see GZ fuck in brawl

ivory mason
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with dallas and mayhem right there

plush grail
ivory mason
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7 days till season starts

balmy wolf
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?

plush grail
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5??

ivory mason
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isnt it 18?

balmy wolf
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5

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lmao

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16th

ivory mason
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oh nvm

balmy wolf
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it's 5 days

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are you guys okay?

ivory mason
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i keep thinking its 18

plush grail
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yes i said 5

ivory mason
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sureeee

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edited

balmy wolf
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:^)

plush grail
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i just got done from work im tired stfu

ivory mason
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LOL

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btw is your status about reinforce yelling about rascal

plush grail
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I CANNOT BELIEVE IT

ivory mason
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LOLLL

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THAT RANT ALWAYS GETS ME

plush grail
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moments before disaster

unknown.png
ivory mason
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haahhahahhah

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he was so ready

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he was getting annoyed in that award show

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and he was ready

plush grail
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tbh i wanna know if he practiced this

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or if that was genuine rage

ivory mason
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i really looked genuine

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he was really pissed off

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because he always been a rascal advocate

hot onyx
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I can not believe it

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I can not fucking believe it

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I simply REFUSE to believe the absolute imcompetent, negligence, of actually not, for ANY of these categories whatsoever, not voting for FUCKING Roolf

plush grail
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die

ivory mason
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ROOLF

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🖕

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that might be toxic

hot onyx
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This guy doesn't get props by anyone, on no one's social media radar whatsoever. Everyone's talking about like "oh Shockwave, ya know, Shockwave he's-- poor Shockwave!” think about Roolf! He literally came into the league at the middle of the year, had to fill the shoes of the BEST flex support. He revolutionized the way you play Moira, and set the guidelines for everyone else in the league for MONTHS!

plush grail
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im pretty sure the category was underrated player

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and the nominees were like

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sado and fury

hot onyx
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Sado KSP and Fury

plush grail
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''underrated''

next mesa
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I mean

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rascal isnt underrated either

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lol

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if u have someone like

plush grail
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yeah all of their choices were dogshit

next mesa
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molly

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or creative

hot onyx
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Top 3 mt and ot underrated

next mesa
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smt like that

hot onyx
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Gargoyle

plush grail
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underratted would be someone like shockwave on the titans

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no lets pick the guy who is considered the best flex dps in the league for underrated player

ivory mason
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its better then having krystal as the best bench player

plush grail
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krystal wasn't even on the bench

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he was in a different country

ivory mason
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yea but bren nominated him xd

hot onyx
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Best bench player was easily Mikeyy

ivory mason
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also i dont think you can say shockwave was underrated , ppl were singing his praise because he was doing good in a bad team

next mesa
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profit will be the best bench player after seoul says you know what lets play sbb

plush grail
ivory mason
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none of those 3 they picked were solid choices for underrated plater

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player*

next mesa
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when seoul isnt playing profit theyre throwing

ivory mason
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^

next mesa
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put profit on ball

plush grail
next mesa
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fuck it

ivory mason
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imagine having jordan in your team and putting him on bench

plush grail
ivory mason
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idk why no one named themselves jordan yet

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we had sinatraa

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if an old singer can play ow

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so can jordan

hot onyx
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*dead singer

plush grail
ivory mason
ivory mason
plush grail
hot onyx
ivory mason
balmy wolf
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Who tf is sinatraa.

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And who cares

raw ermine
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he plays that game

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what's it called?

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valiant?

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sounds bad

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just like the team

tropic herald
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Silver3 underrated

tropic herald
next mesa
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seems like this post is directed to the houston outluls

cedar oasis
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ratlanta bad

hot onyx
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I agree wholeheartedly

cedar oasis
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imt worst coach

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who was atlantas head coach for season 3

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i think that person is wrose

forest raven
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Brad's been Atlanta's head coach for ages

tawdry hamlet
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PES2_Bruh Houston Outluls have bad coaching but at least their dps lineup is like semi confident now

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everything else is just like

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meh

raw ermine
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bad coaching?

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they have junkbuck

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and harsha

tropic herald
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Mfw you call Junkbuck bad

tawdry hamlet
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I meant last season :/

raw ermine
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harsha is meh

tawdry hamlet
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with da pharah playoffs meta moment

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I wonder how often jake will play

little tusk
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prob not often I think

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danteh/happy is p cracked

tawdry hamlet
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I could only really see it happen in like a junkrat or pharah meta since I am pretty sure danteh has like echo and genji

next mesa
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okay hot take

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danteh kinda overrated

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not top tier

tawdry hamlet
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I mean he is the only top tier American dps player so he is always going to be inflated a bit I thonk

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well I guess jake is back

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but otherwise

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his tracer is pretty good tho

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and his echo isn't bad but a good echo is pretty common nowadays

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watching danteh stream ladder tracer and effortlessly drop like 70 elim games is pretty nutty to watch

cedar oasis
#

danteh overated

karmic grotto
#

hot take: Bebe is gonna beat viol2t

cedar oasis
#

the guy can play 4 heros

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no 3

earnest leaf
tawdry hamlet
#

Agilities moment

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he could literally play like 2

karmic grotto
#

good takes though

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roar isn't in owl ?

tawdry hamlet
#

crazy how much more important flexibility is this year with smaller teams

karmic grotto
#

also hot take: colourhex > striker tracer

tawdry hamlet
#

that isn't a hot take bro

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just fax

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I cannot decide if I think florida will do well or not this year

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other teams got a lot better while they kept a similar roster with a few changes but they were also like top 4 in s3 so they could be like actually good

cedar oasis
#

flordia mid tier at best

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on bostons level

tawdry hamlet
#

I would really like this current florida roster if they had just managed someone other than oge

plush grail
#

my favorite team > your favorite team

forest raven
#

My favourite team is the shock so that's actually a true statement

cedar oasis
#

oh your one of those

forest raven
#

Been a shock fan since season 1 PeepoGlad

plush grail
#

Bandwagon

tawdry hamlet
#

man shanghai are going to be so good this year, all they did was upgrade every role and then replace fearless with fate

plush grail
#

Alert

tawdry hamlet
#

I am hype

forest raven
#

Not much to bandwagon in season 1 brother

plush grail
#

"brother"

forest raven
#

I started watching super in 2018 and went from there VeryPog

cedar oasis
#

ew

plush grail
#

Mr forehead

forest raven
cedar oasis
#

start watching a real main tank like hydration

forest raven
#

TRUE

cedar oasis
#

the most disapointing team for season 4 will be the spark

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they have so much talent

trail perch
#

Honestly doubt that, prob going to be glass

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Glads

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Everyone’s rating them at the very top, but I honestly have a lingering feeling that the playstyle aren’t going to mesh well

sterile bay
#

Here's my power rankings:
NA
HIGH TIER: Shock, Justice, Glads, Mayhem
MID TIER: Uprising, Fuel, Reign, Defiant
LOW TIER: Outlaws, Spitfire, Eternal, Titans

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APAC
HIGH TIER: Dragons
MID TIER: NYXL, Hunters, Dynasty, Fusion
LOW TIER: Spark, Charge, Valiant

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Maybe if things go well spark could be higher, outlaws could be higher

tawdry hamlet
#

hmm

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I would put spark and charge above valiant at least 😦

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spark have such a big roster and charge have so much potential

cedar oasis
#

nah the spark will forget how to play overwatch again

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and flop

tawdry hamlet
#

I know at least charge have potential

cedar oasis
#

yeh

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you need a lower tier for the valiant

tawdry hamlet
#

I mean tbh you could argue that charge lost some of their better players in nero shu and happy but I like the potential in mykaylee

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Eileen also pog

devout path
#

boston > mayhem

cedar oasis
#

the charge know how to play overwatch its just that their players arent as talented

tawdry hamlet
#

idk Florida probably has a better lineup in most roles tbh

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than boston that is

cedar oasis
#

stand1 better then oge

tawdry hamlet
#

neither are that great tbh

cedar oasis
#

true

stuck radish
#

give houston temple of anubis every game and they wont get 3-0ed

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S tier team

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they still would get 3-1ed but who cares

tawdry hamlet
#

on another topic, Northwood just set a record for fastest anubis first point capture in collegiate semi finals vs harrisburg if I was hearing the commentary correctly I wasn't really paying attention Lmaoo

devout path
#

really

tawdry hamlet
#

Northwood is stacked atm, they got cowman mudkip and dynasty

devout path
#

i saw dynasty ball yesterday and i was so confused

tawdry hamlet
#

I meant fishcake not mudkip

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brain moment

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:>

devout path
#

mudkip is my mortal enemy

plush grail
devout path
plush grail
#

paris eternal

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and nyxl

raw ermine
devout path
#

nyxl is vibing tho

tawdry hamlet
#

Last season they had all da bois and then flopped OOOOOAAAAAAA

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But I like their strong dps lineup atm

plush grail
#

libero, sbb, haksal, mano

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thats a like a fantasy league team

tawdry hamlet
#

Jjonak CATJAM

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He dropped off but I still love him Salutations

devout path
#

jjonak is still good just not alarm shu or viol2t

tight hill
#

I feel like he could be tho with good coaching

hot onyx
#

Yeah and Whynot is gonna be the dictionary definition of “good coaching” Morcy

plush grail
hot onyx
plush grail
#

perhaps

hot onyx
#

Well idk what you’re talking about, Whynot was only 30% of the decision making that lead to Libero hitscan and Haksal sombra

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Put him in the head coach position and that means only 30% of the decision making will be stoner babble

plush grail
#

being able to lose with a star studded roster like nyxl is a talent

hot onyx
#

Yeah but they didn’t have Friday then

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No way they lose now

tropic herald
plush grail
#

What of the teams in the league all decided to feed against houston in scrims so they finally got to win a game

trail perch
# hot onyx Well idk what you’re talking about, Whynot was only 30% of the decision making t...

Tbh, the flex dps sombra is basically a normal thing, and libero at the time was prob their best hitscan, nenne dropped off hard, and libero has already had experience playing widow at an owl level, in stages 2 and 3 in s1 when pine was injured libero took over and did very well, I think the results speak for themselves. NYXL did manage to make it to the losers finals. The major problem there was not running the hog sig, which actually would have made them godly considering hotba is rly good at hog and bianca had a clean sig, they prob would have ran libero widow and haksal hanzo

worn falcon
#

libero pepehands

trail perch
#

Libero widow wasnt bad at all though

sullen berry
#

meanwhile, at collegiate

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next mesa
#

Northwood has like 3 contenders players i recognize

sullen berry
#

Halo might be good enough to break into OWL

tawdry hamlet
#

he already did and was shit

#

idk how Northwood is throwing this, they have such a fat talent advantage crome

#

kind of awkward cowman said it would be ridiculous if maryville even took a map off them

#

and then maryville took the first map :/

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Papayapete diff wtf

#

dynasty getting hella gapped

devout path
#

this meta is so stupid

#

feels like everyone is just feeding

tawdry hamlet
#

that is called rush

#

the whole point is to rush in and in the process end up taking damage

#

don't quote me on that tho Salutations

devout path
#

ok but this just feels stupider than normal

#

also do you expect the reverse 3-0

next mesa
#

Nos walls have been vasely inferior so far

#

Vastly*

devout path
#

yeah these walls are pretty meh

tawdry hamlet
#

iced is nuts and I guess halo and crackin have the past experience but I still don't see how northwood is getting shit on so hard rn

#

they were all ex mid or upper mid t2 players from gauntlet and shit lmao

#

just wack

next mesa
#

Nos walls..

devout path
#

where is the wall

tawdry hamlet
#

reverse sweep pray_cheems

devout path
#

i dont think so

tawdry hamlet
#

is really unfortunate but nice to see halo get some success after having to spend s3 on Boston so good for him!

devout path
#

halo is cracked rn

tawdry hamlet
#

but in my head dynasty was one of the better t2 crees I remember watching and he is just like being hard gapped by iced lmao

devout path
#

this is just a dps diff rn

tawdry hamlet
#

thank fuck loll

#

that would have been ungodly amounts of bruh moments

devout path
#

what if mei primary fire pierced shields

#

imagine that in this meta

#

would be gross

thin relic
#

most of northwood is still in contenders

#

i think all of them except their main tank are still on t2 teams

tawdry hamlet
#

Yes

thin relic
#

nos just won contenders with revival

tawdry hamlet
#

Yeah such a rip

#

Oof

#

Lite OOOOOAAAAAAA

#

Lololololol

devout path
#

lite blizzard threw

tawdry hamlet
#

Map 5 monkaS

devout path
#

northwood has all the momentum

next mesa
#

big throw

#

not impressed

#

the key of being maryville

#

I mean that bap and then lite all threw

#

lite 💀

#

good try

devout path
#

landon getting picked first consistently

next mesa
#

gg

devout path
#

i think that was a lucio diff

next mesa
#

idk

#

fishcake was like 50% ahead of halo

#

on that last point

hot onyx
#

And it’s not a case of “fdps sombra = bad” it’s the fact that Nenne and Sbb are both better and more experienced sombra players than Haksal, so why he was fielded for sombra I have no idea

trail perch
#

I mean they prob should have ran SBB sombra with who on hitscan?

#

Libero still prob

tropic herald
#

P10 validates me

forest raven
earnest leaf
#

he did say he expects them to get better the later the season goes once they get the rest of their players in korea

tropic herald
#

P10 also said Shanghai win this season

next mesa
#

I also think that lol

earnest leaf
#

I'd put shock and shd even atm

#

depending on how well shock's new pickups do

#

but shd still has the best dps line up in the league

next mesa
#

yeah I think dragons better right now

earnest leaf
#

just shock is still too stacked on tank/supp

#

Good thing this season we get na vs apac more often

idle gorge
#

THIS WEEKEND IT STARTS!!! Pog

sullen berry
#

counting down the days

#

then realising I got so much work to trawl through to make it

balmy wolf
#

For what?

sullen berry
#

!!owl2021

young fractalBOT
sullen berry
#

I think this countdown is early

#

but it really is 4 days

stuck sparrow
#

There are so many good matchups in week 1

#

This is most excited I’ve been

sullen berry
#

it's scripted to be the biggest matchups all season

stuck sparrow
#

What do u think best game will be

sullen berry
#

personally?

#

charge vs shanghai

#

they're still unlikely to take it

#

but if past successes will tell you

#

they're not going to let their strength of schedule this weekend get to them

#

if there's one team they also prepare for intensely it's against Seoul Dynasty

stuck sparrow
#

Seoul have tough game

sullen berry
#

but I think a lot of people really want to see Gladiators vs Shock, the only LA teams in the West now

stuck sparrow
#

I was disappointed to not see the justice on there but I will wait next for their next week matchups

#

I think shock will still beat gladiators

#

Their roster is so deep and still have the key players from last year championship

sullen berry
#

opening day is well and truly stacked

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stuck sparrow
#

U think the gladiators can pull off an upset

sullen berry
#

gladiators are still new-ish

#

but there a lot of people putting a lot of trust in Muze and Shu

#

so I know it's hard to agree

stuck sparrow
#

Yea I’ve recently seen that

#

How did outlaws not receive more support

#

Fuel have always been nothing but disappointing

sullen berry
#

well to put it bluntly, outlaws are still chasing an NA dream

#

it's not lost on them but how they shape their identity before they too wind up unable to sustain business for the third year in a row

#

Crimzo and Joobi making a run for the best Western Support duo

#

and joobi in OWL is relatively unknown by most how he stacks up coming from collegiate

gentle shuttle
#

Burn one for projectile dps

sullen berry
#

Titans Shadowburn

#

Defiant Shadowburn

gentle shuttle
#

@sullen berry I'm confused, is that the right clip?

sullen berry
#

different

#

Shadowburn 7k is a ripper with his mechanics

earnest leaf
#

Glads vs shock should be close

tawdry hamlet
#

Bruh who reacted with houston for the Dallas game monkaS

#

Even being realistic it'd be impossible to lose to houston with that roster right DallasFuel

balmy wolf
#

oh no no

#

he doesnt know

tawdry hamlet
#

If dallas flops with this roster there is literally no hope, this isn't like season three where people thought players like note Crimzo and paintbrush were somehow going to make a difference lmaoo this is like actually stacked

#

I found the funniest events to be forcing Onigod on ping over decay last season

hot onyx
#

This season it’s not more about if Dallas are gonna flop, it’s the fact that they have quite a meta dependent roster

#

Get a meta that makes ashe tracer or ball mandatory and they don’t stand much chance

#

Get a meta that makes mcree genji or winston mandatory however and they’re top tier

sullen berry
#

Honestly I enjoy the number of excuses you could pull up defending dallas, many of them I could agree with

#

But this is first week chaos, how they perform on openine and whether they get steamrolled hasn't always spelled the end to their whole season

hot onyx
#

Of course it doesn’t, for all we know Valiant could take a map off Hunters and Fusion this week, not the end of the world if they do since the teams would be just getting to playing an official match for the first time in 6 months

plush grail
sullen berry
#

I'm a mod, not biased

tawdry hamlet
#

I keep seeing people rate chengdu higher than charge and spark, spark I could maybe see but come on charge took shanghai to a map 5 didn't they?

#

I like all the new talent in chengdu but I just don't see gaga and 1987 turning them into a winning team overnight

balmy wolf
#

when?

tawdry hamlet
#

The shanghai masters

balmy wolf
#

rlly?

#

didnt they 3-0?

tawdry hamlet
#

I think the semi they took them to map 5 and then spark lost 3-0

balmy wolf
#

oh

#

shanghai masters

#

that was months ago

tawdry hamlet
#

Yeah

plush grail
tawdry hamlet
#

But still they looked nice, really depends on if apac forces dive or plays rush since last season shanghai liked to just force monke

#

Excited to see if kaylee masters was a fluke or not

#

Matching diem on your debut monkaS

#

What's wild is that it feels like just yesterday everyone was complaining about waiting 4 months for more owl and now it's about to start again

#

Also korean t2 is on if you need the skins still Salutations

sullen berry
#

tons of people thought this was the death of overwatch league

karmic grotto
#

take: I'm telling you now: gator > smurf

balmy wolf
#

thank you

plush grail
sullen berry
#

it's just lack of content to keep people seriously entertained, despite plently of showmatches that have made asking for a preseason a joke

balmy wolf
#

someone said it

sullen berry
#

Starlight more like

#

lights out

#

vs O2 Blast

tawdry hamlet
#

So strange tovwatch sigma ball again after rush

sullen berry
#

weird flex but proper can 1v4

sullen berry
#

Is pixie drunk: No

#

Does he sound drunk without context: yes

#

Pixie: fun fact [in cuba], government officials are legally required to pick up hitchikers

#

he also proceeded to talk about the maccas play of the game on a korean contenders stream

#

good talk, pixie

#

proper still trying to go 1v5, gets 2

#

stalled enough for rein to charge back from spawn and contest in time

karmic grotto
#

can you get tokens/skins

#

by watching on yt

tawdry hamlet
#

Gen g looks like shit

sullen berry
#

only on the OW Contenders homepage

#

Unfortunately Pixie doesn't know we can't clip this channel

# 
Pixie: This is X-Files and Naruto... 
AVRL: You're also the anti-weeb guy 
Pixie: Next thing you know I'm going to start endorsing furries
quartz cairn
#

for OWL season, will we get those gray skins

#

or just tokens

sullen berry
#

a mix of both

quartz cairn
#

tyy

sullen berry
#

new gray OWL hero skin for each tournament

#

while token drops will now be native on twitch as long as your account is linked like so

#

I've waited weeks for someone to ask

quartz cairn
#

im basically only looking for lik 4-5 heroes for gray but im gonna get everyones cuz im like that

karmic grotto
#

nice

#

owl skins farmers

#

where ya at

cursive plover
#

I mean I only watch contenders for the skins

#

I just get invested in the process

#

OWL is kinda the same. I get invested while getting stuff too

#

Feels nice

sullen berry
sullen berry
quartz cairn
#

o ok

#

tyty'

next mesa
#

happy birthday to mano ga9a ta1yo and wub

devout path
#

woah

#

its manos birthday?

#

everyone else is lame

sullen berry
#

no love for 🇰🇷 aWesomeGuy or 🇯🇵 AmeKen?

#

Ameken was essentially co-dps through Ta1yo's japanese/pacific overwatch career

#

sure you've heard of Japan and their COWS, right?

limber pine
#

the pickem website is buggy af

plush grail
#

wait i only have to do the pickem for the next week right

#

i can wait with week 2

limber pine
#

yes it doesn't lock until the 23rd

#

but you can do all of the Melee now (sans playoffs obviously)

plush grail
#

cant wait for paris to 3-0 shock and every bracket to get fucked

limber pine
#

is SFS going to play rush comp

plush grail
#

no they're gonna put super on zarya

#

and hard pocket him

limber pine
#

rip

devout path
#

from what i heard

limber pine
#

i'm trying to figure out who their mei/mccree will be

devout path
#

fd has been playing with super more than smurf

limber pine
#

Glister/nero?

devout path
#

i think all of na will be rush

plush grail
devout path
#

who is sadge

#

never heard of em

plush grail
#

me

#

also if taiyo doesn't play atleast like 2/3 games before the may melee

#

why is he even on the roster at that point

limber pine
#

whenever pharah comes back into the meta

#

lol

#

maybe he'll be their echo

devout path
#

taiyo is just a guy that hangs with the shock

plush grail
limber pine
#

APAC plays pharah on some maps

#

but echo is more prevelant

plush grail
#

doesn't NA also play pharah on lijang?

limber pine
#

i don't remember my mind can't remember because all it remembers is KR

#

and some AUS

plush grail
#

australian contenders OMEGALUL

devout path
#

except gardens i think

plush grail
#

they need to buff pharah a lot

#

if they ever want her to be meta

balmy wolf
#

there's always Junkrat on control center at least

#

that's basically Junk+Sym

sullen berry
#

Shock is doing discord pickems

#

Guangzhou is going pickems 😉

#

and that's as far as I'm aware, discord pickems are only ones you can participate in that can be done internationally if you're going for PC OWL Tokens

keen aurora
#

when does owl start

next mesa
#

this friday

raw ermine
#

!!owl2020

#

!!owl2021

young fractalBOT
devout path
#

4 days???

plush grail
#

this friday

devout path
#

damn

tawdry hamlet
#

is it just me or does florida often force soldier ,I swear the only times I remember soldier out was bqb

next mesa
#

he did play som

#

e

trail perch
#

Ivy, Xzi

#

Didn’t fits force the soldier on Gibraltar

tawdry hamlet
#

hmm fair, I just remember pre soldier change vaguely seeing bqb soldier last season

#

honestly interesting he wasn't more viable given for top level tracking pros he is essentially a laser beam but at that point I imagine higher damage per shot heroes are more effective

devout path
#

burst > sustained damage

digital cloud
#

given healing and shielding in this game burst is basically always better

plush grail
#

just remove soldiers m1

#

change it so it only fires helix rockets

digital cloud
#

lol, just his whole mag lets him full auto helix rockets

north pelican
#

There is no mag

digital cloud
#

still worse than echo

north pelican
#

He summons rockets

devout path
#

emongg and flats owl 2021 tier list

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mortal abyss
#

what in the

raw ermine
#

A tier is wonky

noble nexus
#

they put atlanta in A because they get rolled by gator and hawk in ranked

balmy wolf
#

who doesnt

devout path
#

me

#

atlanta worse than boston

balmy wolf
#

atlanta top 5 tho?

devout path
#

no

balmy wolf
#

ok

#

we have a problem

devout path
#

boston top 5

balmy wolf
#

not atlanta?

next mesa
devout path
#

not atlanta

balmy wolf
#

then your opinion is wrong

devout path
#

valentine > pelican and stand1 punk > gator hawk

balmy wolf
#

nice bait

next mesa
#

idk about valentine>pelican dawg

devout path
#

valentine > pelican

balmy wolf
#

shes trolling

#

dont fall for that

trail perch
#

Lowkey agree

#

Proper>Im37 tho

balmy wolf
#

you guys are funny

trail perch
#

You realize how close they are though?

#

Hopefully

#

Valentine is def the better echo

balmy wolf
#

lol

trail perch
#

pelican prob better on like genji and pharah

#

Valentine prob gets the nod on doom

balmy wolf
#

comedy gold

trail perch
#

Ok ur trolling lol

#

In the owl preseason survey where valentine was leaked, people had him down as a potential rookie of the year

safe stream
#

anyone wanna play

devout path
#

valentine will be rookie of the year if boston does well

devout path
young fractalBOT
tawdry hamlet
#

Pelican is nuts lmao

#

I would vastly trust pelican over valentine based on what we have seen pelican do so far

#

im37 needs to get his tracer up with soon gone 😦

devout path
#

valentine echo is actually insane tho

limber pine
#

if double ban on hitscan i could totally see an echo meta

#

hell, there's some echo played now on certain maps

mortal abyss
plush grail
#

most handsome main tank in owl? yes

#

most handsome tank in general?

#

no

#

poko

next mesa
#

if benbest was still in owl smh

mortal abyss
#

Fusion lowkey stacked in kissahomie ngl

fierce ferry
#

Who’s the most handsome player in owl

#

In ur opinion

next mesa
#

saebyeolbe

plush grail
#

sbb for sure yeah

hot onyx
#

Piggy

cedar oasis
#

sbb no question

#

also atlantabad

stuck radish
#

ans

#

oh wait

hot onyx
#

Atlanta is literally barely better than Spitfire

#

Name someone who isn’t bottom 5 for their role in the league outside the dps line and I’ll rate them higher than 15th

balmy wolf
#

gator hawk iris masaa

#

there you go

cedar oasis
#

all bottom 5?

hot onyx
#

Might be an exaggeration

next mesa
#

who are the 5 tanks better than gator hawk

#

frdwnr

#

shredlock

hot onyx
#

But Gator is only better than Shredlock Daan and whoever they have for valiant

next mesa
#

ellivote

#

daan

#

silver3?

cedar oasis
#

hydration

hot onyx
#

Maybe at a stretch better than Jjangu

next mesa
#

showcheng is good though

tropic herald
#

How are you going to call Lr1s bad

hot onyx
#

I’m uneducated idk a think about any valiant players other than Krystal wya and Molanran

tropic herald
#

Silver3 average mt

hot onyx
#

Lr1s isn’t bad but I’m comparing him to other flex supports

tropic herald
#

Showcheng only has sig really

#

Highbee shouldn’t be on MS

tropic herald
#

Only 3 teams have better flex supports than Atlanta in NA

#

Shock Glads and Mayhem

cedar oasis
#

boston

hot onyx
#

Dallas

tropic herald
#

No Lr1s def better than bong and fielder

hot onyx
#

Defiant

tropic herald
#

Lastro arguable but no way aztac is

cedar oasis
#

lr1s is not better then bong

tropic herald
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Is bong even good off Ana

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Not really

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aztac could totally be better

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myunbong zen bap both not bad

ocean briar
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Do you guys know if there are any women in the OWL? My girlfriend has gotten really into overwatch the last like 4 months and she asked me but i wasnt sure

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there was, geguri

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she got released though

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Aspen is a good ms in contenders

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o2blast also signed a woman as a loan

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No women currently in owl

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Geguri was in owl but then got dropped

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Alright we'll look out for those contenders, thank yall

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theres a 28 percent chance that sbb retires and becomes a model

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he totally can

hot onyx
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Most handsome man without front teeth

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also most handsome man with front teeth