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#esports-discussion
next mesa
tropic herald
And Pelican on fdps than Sparkle
Pelican is sparkle but the flexibility we were promised
forest raven
Glister and Nero gonna be absolute freaks on the battlefield after a couple months if they're not already
plush grail
paris dps line > shock dps line rn
forest raven
devout path
What
forest raven
That's molten
forest raven
Dare I say a star-like take
tropic herald
How you guys feeling about NY, Bc I think they gonna body most teams in apac
forest raven
I have no opinion on NY because I know none of the players besides jj
plush grail
as long as the tanks and supports do their jobs
devout path
How you guys feeling about NY, Bc I think they gonna body most teams in apac
Nyxl pretty good ngl
tropic herald
People heavily underrate the rest of NY past their dps
plush grail
but legit no joke i personally think paris is gonna end up being top 5/6
devout path
Wtf is this
tropic herald
Luigi you can’t call my takes bad then say stuff like that
tropic herald
We live in bad take boat together
devout path
Can I join
next mesa
paris gonna be dogshit
plush grail
dont compare my takes to your shit takes
tropic herald
Most of your takes are pretty normal except Boston
devout path
Y’all underrate Boston
forest raven
London is gonna be better than Paris
tropic herald
I’m so excited for when Krystal deadlifts against Philly
plush grail
paris gonna be dogshit
say that again after paris beat the shock
forest raven
next mesa
cant say that again if that wont happen
devout path
No one is gonna beat the shock except maybe glads or Boston
plush grail
GLADS OVERRATED
plush grail
also no
mortal abyss
teru top 1 fdps he'll deadlift titans to win 3-0 shock
plush grail
a team like florida or dallas is gonna manage to beat shock
forest raven
plush grail
teru top 1 fdps he'll deadlift titans to win 3-0 shock
shut up
devout path
Dallas in a different meta
forest raven
How could Dallas beat Shock when Choi is an evolved Hanbin 
devout path
But this is the only meta where you can beat shock cuz super is garbage
plush grail
daan > super
plush grail
i have said this before
forest raven
I love it so much
plush grail
i stand by it
devout path
Super is so garbage
forest raven
devout path
Muze gonna mtd
forest raven
I think y'all letting the memes get to your heads
devout path
That’s glads main tank right
plush grail
glads overrated
plush grail
@devout path this your team??
forest raven
You trollin at this point lily?
mortal abyss
fusions isnt even in NA
worn falcon
not soon this time
devout path
That’s not my team
worn falcon
sadge
mortal abyss
hows he gonna block shatters on 150 ping
devout path
Old Boston was lame
worn falcon
hows he gonna block shatters on 150 ping
lhcloudy strat
forest raven
Valentine and Faith 
plush grail
????
forest raven
Having Faith means Myunbong will be alive for more than five seconds at a time
devout path
Placed better than shock
forest raven
What
devout path
In steelseries invitation placed better than the shock cuz the shock didn’t win a single game 
mortal abyss
Placed better than shock
lmao
devout path
Didn’t win a single map actually
plush grail
In steelseries invitation placed better than the shock cuz the shock didn’t win ...
shock didn't even play
mortal abyss
paris and london >shock confirmed
devout path
Look
devout path
I have faith in valentine
plush grail
this is sad
forest raven
Lily
This guy's saying Daan is a better rein than super
Don't let him get you down
tropic herald
Boston won the experimental tournament = best team in NA
forest raven
TRUE
mortal abyss
Boston won the experimental tournament = best team in NA
*in the world
devout path
Yeah Boston beat Atlanta
plush grail
Boston won the experimental tournament = best team in NA
paris also won experimental tournament
daan > super
earnest leaf
Shock is only losing if they fumble on the meta hardcore like last season to the two LA teams
Or if a team is better than them at a meta, which only happened once during the summer showdown
worn falcon
shock overrated, chengdu champions
forest raven
Shock lost to the LA teams last year because they had fucking sinatraa on reinhardt
That's how bad they fumbled the meta at the beginning
mortal abyss
its quite literally impossible for shock to misread meta for the first 1/4 of the season seeing as how it's going to be the same meta we've had for the past month or so
devout path
Boston will do good trust me
earnest leaf
Boston will be slightly above mid tier
forest raven
its quite literally impossible for shock to misread meta for the first 1/4 of th...
TRUE
FDGod has said he's had a lot of scrims with super
And very few with Smurf
So rush with super and FD, dive with Smurf and Twilight
earnest leaf
From the fdgod interview it seems they are practicing dive/rush
forest raven
earnest leaf
so probably smurf choi ball dva, viol2t twilight zen/brig
devout path
Smurf doesn’t want to deadlift fdgod and let him improve instead
worn falcon
Chex Mei
noble nexus
shock rush comps are the best
worn falcon
forest raven
Implying FD is bad
plush grail
Implying FD is bad
fdgod is french
forest raven
And yes, rush is quite literally Shock's best comp
mortal abyss
rush is shocks best comp because choi can play his best hero
worn falcon
Rascal Mei on the other hand chef kiss
mortal abyss
rascal isnt on shock
forest raven
i think its hilarious u kids talking shit about smurf. u wouldnt say this shit to him at lan, hes jacked. not only that but he wears the freshest clothes, eats at the chillest restaurants and hangs out with the hottest dudes. yall are pathetic lol
forest raven
Hotba OT
mortal abyss
rascal mei carpe mccree
forest raven
plush grail
i think its hilarious u kids talking shit about smurf. u wouldnt say this shit t...
i only shit talk super because i could easily beat up super
worn falcon
if hotba doesnt lost focus
devout path
Super is garbage
forest raven
super is a stringbean
mortal abyss
<:pepeLaugh:690776885201993729>
ok thats the one bad thing about it
devout path
That’s why I shit talk him
plush grail
tbh i could probably beat up a lot of owl players
forest raven
Garbage at what lily 
devout path
Super is literally carried by choi
worn falcon
Super Zen > Viol2t Zen
devout path
Garbage at what lily <:Hmm:825782367091949618>
Overwatch
forest raven
Lily
devout path
Except genji
forest raven
Stop letting the memes get into your head
devout path
Super genji pretty good
plush grail
Super genji pretty good
u need help
earnest leaf
super gets memed a lot, but unironically he has the best rein in the league
and is a good leader for the team
mortal abyss
super has the best genji stats in owl 2020 which means hes the best genji
forest raven
Best Rein on the planet
plush grail
super gets memed a lot, but unironically he has the best rein in the league
daan > super
forest raven
Out hogged Gesture
forest raven
mortal abyss
grand finals was striker + viol2t diff
devout path
Exactly
worn falcon
ans diff
tribal flint
ans
forest raven
I always love this argument
tropic herald
Showcheng gonna diff Hotba
devout path
I think gesture is the better hog just viol2t is actually so fucking amazing at zen
mortal abyss
yeah discord is so powerful on a hog
forest raven
Dynasty also had nano and anti heal
earnest leaf
It's hard to compare their hogs
mortal abyss
and viol2t puts so much damage onto the hog
earnest leaf
They both had to play differently
super has to play carefully because if he gets naded he's fucking insta dead
worn falcon
daily reminder Hydration is still on tank role
devout path
Viol2t zen so good he literally won with what was the “worse” pick
mortal abyss
Dynasty also had nano and anti heal
yes but in the neutral discord + the insane amount of damage zen outputs will beat anti nade + extra heals from ana
zen wasnt the worse pick
earnest leaf
If they mirrored comps it would be easier to compare the two, but since they both had to play differently it's a pain
forest raven
Grand finals was a team diff not a hog diff
If super was in for every map besides one then surely he was part of that team diff
worn falcon
next mesa
ans didnt have a very inspiring performance, but that 2 kills on tobi and profit at busan saved it
forest raven
Super has talked about it multiple times, Ana was the objectively better comp for the meta but Viol2t is just so goated on the Zen
mortal abyss
Super has talked about it multiple times, Ana was the objectively better comp fo...
super was just trying to hype up viol2t
devout path
If super was in for every map besides one then surely he was part of that team d...
Super is a more team based hog
next mesa
akshually crusty said that he just believes zen and tracer were better in control
mortal abyss
viol2t is goated dont get me wrong
devout path
Gesture is a more carry hog
plush grail
me > every owl player
devout path
akshually crusty said that he just believes zen and tracer were better in contro...
Tracer was good on control
worn falcon
Muma > every tank player
forest raven
super was just trying to hype up viol2t
Hey man if super is saying one comp is better than the other in a meta he played for probably > 100 hours in I'll believe him
devout path
I wonder why he thinks zen is better tho
earnest leaf
Orbs the tracer
mortal abyss
because discord
earnest leaf
lets tracer fuck
devout path
True
earnest leaf
and yea then discord a tank and win
worn falcon
*lets striker fucks
forest raven
I mean I'm gonna be real
mortal abyss
and tracer having the harmony advantage means it's really hard for any other tracer to take the duel menaing striker had free reign
forest raven
Shock won Busan because Fits absolutely blew his EMP on Meka base
devout path
Zen was a good pick cuz viol2t zen cracked and striker with orb
earnest leaf
I looked back at that moment on busan
devout path
and tracer having the harmony advantage means it's really hard for any other tra...
Can anyone really duel striker in the first place
mortal abyss
and tracer having the harmony advantage means it's really hard for any other tra...
like when fleta tried to match striker on tracer he got destroyed
earnest leaf
It seemed like fits wanted to get a quick pick on smurf, but shock was too quick for them to get smurf
mortal abyss
Can anyone really duel striker in the first place
true but harmony makes the gpa even larger
fleta may have been able to at least keep pace with striker and not let him dominate as hard if the zen adv wasnt there
forest raven
It seemed like fits wanted to get a quick pick on smurf, but shock was too quick...
So you're saying Shock's hivemind was just too
devout path
fleta *may* have been able to at least keep pace with striker and not let him do...
Fleta can’t keep striker in check
mortal abyss
he could of but we'll never know for sure
earnest leaf
Double checked, moth and choi were already there to peel
next mesa
it was a support diff
earnest leaf
But it was only fits/marve1
devout path
Choi is so good too
next mesa
I think profit and fits performed better
earnest leaf
So they couldn't go after smurf
devout path
All of shock except super is so good
mortal abyss
lol
earnest leaf
then gesture turbo fed, and ans picked fits/profit
mortal abyss
I think profit and fits performed better
on non-control maps yeah
devout path
Widow pocketed by mercy can’t kill a zen
forest raven
All of shock except super is so good
devout path
<:OMEGALUL:542455074333523998>
That played
forest raven
Yeah that's still an omegalul
devout path
Ta1yo is an omegalul
forest raven
Ta1yo's just there for the food
devout path
Feels like downgrade
worn falcon
Nero/Glister for rush
forest raven
worn falcon
Striker/Glister for dive
mortal abyss
Feels like downgrade
yeah many consider it to be a downgrade from last year
next mesa
nero will cuck super shatter and make them lose
devout path
nero will cuck super shatter and make them lose
I will laugh at super and call him trash
For shattering into mei wall
forest raven
Did super fuck your mum or something
forest raven
devout path
Super has an ego that he is good when he is carried by choi and striker and viol2t
next mesa
he didnt shatter in a mei wall lol
worn falcon
next mesa
nero put a wall in front of a 5 man shatter
devout path
https://twitter.com/Viol2t_OW/status/1380355239023308804?s=19
LMAO
devout path
nero put a wall in front of a 5 man shatter
Super shattered into a bad wall
devout path
he shattered first though
Too bad
next mesa
that was just nero being bad
forest raven
I fuckin love that during the match nero said his shield was up
And then super went back to the replay and rein was swinging
next mesa
u cant accept super makes 0 mistakes he is a god gamer
worn falcon
forest raven
I fuckin love it
devout path
I think they just don’t realize smurf is just better at everything
forest raven
I love that Shock never says how they're going in scrims, or if they do, they say it then immediately move on
forest raven
And when they do talk about their play they say they're shit
devout path
I love that Shock never says how they're going in scrims, or if they do, they sa...
Fdgod did
little tusk
happy was p good last season
forest raven
FD literally said 'even when we destroy a team in scrims' and that was it
devout path
Fd also said Boston and glads only challenge for shock
mortal abyss
devout path
LOL
forest raven
Shock has the best social media out of all the teams
So great
Anyway
Shock gonna fuck
That's all I know
digital cloud
lol
mortal abyss
damn lmfao
forest raven
Unter bringing the true Aussie spirit into OWL
digital cloud
even if I did wonder, not sure the Justice would respond to me
devout path
Who is unter
forest raven
New assistant coach for Atlanta
devout path
Oh
forest raven
Was a coach for Valiant last year
devout path
Lmao
forest raven
Used to be an MS in Aussie contenders
forest raven
And I think Unter was on the Aussie team that won Aussie contenders like five times or something in a row
devout path
Wait did unter get fined for that
devout path
Probably threatened a fine
hot onyx
Florida Mayhem are a top 5 team and I’m tired of pretending they are not
And they I think they can be better than the Glads and Justice
trail perch
Lmao
They might not even be top 5 NA
they have good talent, but no one is the best at anything
next mesa
Yaki
noble nexus
you could maybe probably if you stretch it make a case for his tracer
trail perch
Yes but then profit, striker, decay
noble nexus
exactly
raw ermine
nobody is better than striker
forest raven
Striker's brain is unmatched
trail perch
We havent seen him on a team of the shocks caliber
noble nexus
striker tracer just too clean
trail perch
if decay was on a team where he didnt have to solo carry
Then maybe his tracer would look cleaner
earnest leaf
No shit anyone would look better on shock lmao
trail perch
same w/ profit also
forest raven
I mean he has Mag and Fury for a tankline now
trail perch
Yeah this year is basically who is the best tracer
noble nexus
yeah this season will be the best showcase of his talent ig
forest raven
Not in this meta
trail perch
yeah but this year as a whole
rn the meta is going to be whos the best cree
Xzi, Birdring, Striker or decay
in NA at least
noble nexus
as soon as they find a way to decapitate current meta it'll be tracer dependant
trail perch
Striker glister...
forest raven
trail perch
I think people forget that glister plays everything
noble nexus
glister is just a god
trail perch
He wasnt the best DPS in contendies 2019 for nothing
noble nexus
glister doom is goated
trail perch
its going to be striker glister 80% of the time
forest raven
Glister gonna be a freak with Shock's coaching structure
trail perch
Nero's basically perma benched
forest raven
Shock's rush dps line up will be Glister Nero
earnest leaf
nero most likely will play mei for them once the season starts
earnest leaf
There is no reason to not run nero for this
trail perch
Glisters better...
earnest leaf
In his role he plays mei, 99% chance they are practicing nero on mei in scrims
noble nexus
as soon as it's not this meta it'll probably be glister striker most of the time
nero has the better mei
earnest leaf
And glister/striker on cree
trail perch
Honesty dont believe that
Honestly
I think Glister is better on every character exept phara
earnest leaf
Glister's main role on shock is probably to fill the gap that Ans left
I know glister is flexible, but shock has 3 other dps to help with covering heroes
And making a player focus on too many heroes is useless when there are plenty of capable players for them
forest raven
noble nexus
having glister play everything just because he can doesn't make sense
earnest leaf
It would be like making striker practice widow last year while ans was on the team
forest raven
Getting a player that can play everything at a high level to focus on 1-3 heroes will make those 1-3 heroes fucking insane
forest raven
Come back to my message on the 16th Ess
noble nexus
they gonna have taiyo cree to turbo int into the enemy backlines like a god
flawless strats
earnest leaf
unironically they might do that
forest raven
Japanese guy that hangs out with the Shock boutta fuck
noble nexus
my pred is nero ta1yo
forest raven
God what a statement that would be
noble nexus
I just want to see ta1yo play man
next mesa
Ta1yo cree good
noble nexus
that's why it's my pred
raw ermine
moth did this once, in the most begrudgingly way
nice to see custa living up to the challenge
earnest leaf
all i'm seeing is ans>
digital cloud
me too
trail perch
ans also has hundred of more minutes than second place
so the stats are inflated
thats why on the averages per 10 decay was number one for finals, edison was 1 for solo kills
and idrc about the last one
earnest leaf
stats iirc favor people with less playtime, since they have a smaller sample size to boost their stats
Like super on genji
earnest leaf
Chipsa probably has nasty doom stats
marble sinew
mortal abyss
I’m pretty sure chipsas doom stats are close to sparkles
wanton birch
I don’t know if this is a hot take or not but if Nero was Korean no one would rate him highly
hot onyx
If Nero wasn’t on the shock this year he wouldn’t be getting rated this highly
All of a sudden because he’s gone to the team that has 5 titles he’s now a “top 5 flex dps”
wanton birch
i think hes probably in the bottom half of flex dps
hot onyx
And I don’t mean any disrespect to the chap, but you can’t seriously tell me he’s better than Fleta Rascal Ivy Profit Yaki Kevster Pelican Assassin Valentine etc
At best he’s a western Architect
You’re probably right
tawdry hamlet
He isn't that bad but I think people look at the amount of dps shock have and assume it'll be easily covered when in reality they just have a bunch of B tier players an A tier hitscan and a tracer otp. Although the rest of their team is cracked so people like glister that were previously held back by their team but performed well will hopefully just become phenomenal like ans did
wanton birch
Striker isn’t a one trick
tawdry hamlet
But yeah the flex position is stacked this season with people like assassin and pelican and valentine
wanton birch
Atlanta and Washington easily have better dps lines than shock
tawdry hamlet
Hmm, ttuba decay assassin jerry vs nero glister taiyo striker
That took so long to type sorry I'm high af and couldn't think of strikers name out of nowhere loll
wanton birch
You don’t need to include ta1yo
plush grail
But yeah the flex position is stacked this season with people like assassin and ...
libero sadge
tawdry hamlet
hot onyx
Assassin will be a nice gap filler where ttuba or jerry lack
If Ttuba starts over Assassin I will write an angry letter to the Justice management
plush grail
i think ttuba decay will start
hot onyx
I’m ignorant tbh please tell me what Ttuba is better than Assassin at
hot onyx
Honestly I think that would hurt them
plush grail
i could see justice failing there
hot onyx
Only so far they can get with the playoff run strat
plush grail
putting too much resources into decay
hot onyx
Yeah, when you’ve got 3 other players who are (arguably) top 5 in their respective roles and you try and play around the hopes of a Decay Deadlift, I can see them doing worse than people expect
plush grail
Tbh I'm really interested in that zarya strategy justice had
Some other teams could also pull that off probably
hot onyx
Wya Zarya Playoffs Run
karmic grotto
Soon
[13:08]
It's almost 16th
[13:08]
Gladiators vs Shock, match of the day.
tawdry hamlet
what if it turns into the right meta and we can see decay play zarya in regular season
that would be dopee
karmic grotto
plush grail
FUCK OFF WITH THE ATLANTA HYPE
this always happens
people hype up atlanta, they fucking fail, roster changes, seen as top tier again
i refuse to believe atlanta reign is above toronto, justice, dallas and florida
forest raven
Atlanta
digital cloud
An Houston as well ranked highly
tropic herald
honestly if justice and mayhem werent so low id feel better
plush grail
An Houston as well ranked highly
houston is weird
there were rumours of the houston tank line being a huge flop
but now they're seen as a top 4 team??
tropic herald
this is a current rankings not a overall season rankings
wait
no
zp just hyping houston too much
little tusk
why is everyone rating atlante so high
little tusk
yeh who tf is pelican
tho KSP isn't bad
and I thought edison wasn't bad either last season
plush grail
yeah but we kinda had a similar thing last year
dallas fuel
they had decay and doha
2 solid carry potential dps
but they still never won anything
balmy wolf
atlanta hyped up
atlanta fail
atlanta rebuild half their roster
atlanta fire coaches
atlanta keep sephy
literally everone is low on atlanta
then some people have faith
"why is everyone so high on atlanta" like what???
digital cloud
scrimbux historically has never been a good indicator
any amount of being high on Atlanta seems foolhardy
balmy wolf
last season they had scrimbux bro
they looked good
and then hero pools screwed them hard
noble nexus
atlanta always come into a season with a stacked dps line and it never works out
It makes me too sad to think about
balmy wolf
theyre a team that cant adapt fast
balmy wolf
atlanta always come into a season with a stacked dps line and it never works out
i mean they had problems every year with their dps
dafran gone after 1 stage
babybay leaving for valorant
erster having no motivation
saucy having irl problems
i genuinly believe they will be good this year
ksp and pelican are stable enough to not cause problems and will focus on performing at all time
little tusk
oh jeez
balmy wolf
they did very bad for the expectations they had
digital cloud
they always have a pretty decent dps line, but they neither have the coaching, nor the good tankline/supportline to back them up
balmy wolf
support line agreed
but imo the dps line last year was hard lacking after babybay left
edison was trying to carry alone
and he did
but you just lose to consistent teams
like florida or paris
little tusk
did florida stay relatively the same?
raw ermine
they kept a few parts, got some new stuff
slime replaced kris
oge replaced fate
and checkmate replaced saya
little tusk
saya wasn't there last season either I thought
next mesa
Apparently.slime big upgrade over kris but we'll have to see about oge
He was injured
Didn't play
Or played like 1 map
raw ermine
he didn't play at all, was injured, and ultimately retired to play valorant
might have played 1
mortal abyss
Saya played a little at the beginning
raw ermine
slime lucio and mercy is better than kris
idk about brig tho
kuki is still god tier coach
balmy wolf
im worried about oge
raw ermine
yeah
balmy wolf
but kuki could handle him well
tropic herald
how good is he
Literally best fdps in tendies, him and proper are the reason o2 look so good for so long
digital cloud
yeah, pelican is like the new erster
and, like erster, we can expect atlanta to thoroughly ruin him in a few years
balmy wolf
erster ruined himself bro
digital cloud
kai is a good cree?
balmy wolf
yes
little tusk
kai has great aim
tropic herald
He’s good at the main hitscans
digital cloud
this meta is actually decent for atlanta due to it being brawly
if it switches off
which it will
they will likely look bad
tropic herald
Ir1s gonna be on one of his better heroes and the rest of the team is alright at the meta heroes
Also if doom gets forced peli cracked at that hero too
tropic herald
Edison tracer and maybe double hitscans
balmy wolf
tracer double hitscan
digital cloud
ye, I guess if ashe widow is a thing
tropic herald
Like I could see Edison maybe plays over Kai sometimes for certain play styles
digital cloud
but overall the dps aren't the problem
it is masaa/gator/hawk
if those guys improve, then maybe atlanta is solid
little tusk
I wonder where shax ended up
digital cloud
he is on london
little tusk
ouch
little tusk
his tracer was nutty
hence why I'm asking about him tbh
dude has always been a good tracer
danish people have the tracer genes
balmy wolf
edison was a cree main last season right?
no tracer
little tusk
why are so many danish people so good at video games tbh
small ass country and they have so much talent
ONLY 5 MILLION PEOPLE IN DENMARK WHAT
and then u have belgium who just suck at video games
balmy wolf
video games are part of their country
its like football in usa
or soccer in england and germany
digital cloud
wish the US cared about esports
digital cloud
the only things we are good at are things no one cares about
like american football
balmy wolf
wish the US cared about esports
lol german esports nonexistent sadge
digital cloud
no we aren't lol
digital cloud
LoL: Korea, China
digital cloud
CS:GO: EU
the US has 300 million people, similar to the level of the EU
and yet we are only good at COD
and COD is COD
digital cloud
we are probably 3rd or so in most games
now korea and china are quite good, ngl
but come on, the US has the population to produce good enough talent to be competitive
and yet we aren't
anyway, this is a bit off topic
just griping
digital cloud
I am talking eu
mostly parts of Europe are a bit split
like CIS
regionally
NA tends to be lumped together
the european union on the other hand has a comparable population iirc
anyway
little tusk
eu is 450 mil but ok next topic
digital cloud
I am talking all of na
all of na has more
a lot more, actually, I had remembered eu and na being closer . . .
anyway, yeah, atlanta fail hard
probably
plush grail
Literally best fdps in tendies, him and proper are the reason o2 look so good fo...
ur takes are already invalid
next mesa
Kinda true doe
tropic herald
earnest leaf
coping fuel fans
balmy wolf
scrimbux poggers tho
earnest leaf
scrimbux said atlanta were really good during the regular season
and that shock is mediocre
and houston was dominating right before playoffs in scrims
karmic grotto
https://twitter.com/yiskaout/status/1380918820777426949?s=21
who said that
willow drum
and that shock is mediocre
scrimbux said shock is mediocre?
lmaooo shock is still like one of the best NA teams
earnest leaf
iirc last year numerous people said shock wasn't super dominant in scrims
But then would slap people around in actual matches
and another thing with scrimbux is the people who talk about knowing them, have said they only have a bit
tropic herald
I’m not going to be surprised if Shock just aren’t that good for this first tourney
earnest leaf
If it's rush I have a hard time seeing them struggle
Unless mag and muze are leagues above super on rein or something
raw ermine
something tells me crusty's gonna make sfs run ball dive most of the time
earnest leaf
It sounds like shock was practicing two comps
Rush with super, and dive with smurf/twilight
tropic herald
If anything off rush gets ran it’s gonna be Double Bubble
earnest leaf
so control I see smurf coming in
balmy wolf
dive meta shock dominates
tropic herald
And tbh I don’t feel like Shock is gonna be dominant on either of those comps, especially this version of both
earnest leaf
it'll come down to how good glads/justice/reign are at rush imo
tropic herald
I think Glads will definitely beat Shock in rush but the other two are maybe closer
Also FD saying Boston are a team they are scared of in scrims
wintry kraken
the current schedule of OWL is super "EU friendly"
earnest leaf
hm I don't think glads beat shock with ease in rush
Shock has the better tank line for it, and better FS, MS and dps would be the biggest question
earnest leaf
I think glister will be even with birdring
No idea on kevster vs nero on mei though
earnest leaf
Doom mei?
earnest leaf
I don't see glads using doom vs a team like shock
tropic herald
i think it makes sense
earnest leaf
For doom to work they have to stuff him full of resources so something like zarya + brig to keep him going
tropic herald
its going to null either viol2t or super
which is generally the goal in beating shock
it doesnt even matter who space plays as long as he just pockets mirror
earnest leaf
It would also depend on the map
Because for something like control shock I think would run dive of some type
And mirror won't have fun on doom there
tropic herald
well yeah obv you cant run doom the entire time but when doom is a viable pick i fully expect glads to run doom
earnest leaf
I could see them pounding lesser teams with it though
tropic herald
and i dont think any of the shock players have a doom which they can match mirror with
earnest leaf
Even teams like florida
tropic herald
also since i think double bubble is a team comp that will be played
shock probably wont look good on that either
earnest leaf
?
tropic herald
choi zarya while is okay is really not where it should be
i cant explain it but shock just dont seem like a team that could run double bubble
earnest leaf
Double bubble implies they'll be running something like zen/brig/monkey/zarya/tracer
tropic herald
it should be ana brig normally
earnest leaf
Zen if they want to pocket striker
and we all know what striker does to people on tracer
tropic herald
probably gonna get flak for this but i dont think theres a big enough diff between twilight and other fs on ana for them to be elite on it
earnest leaf
With alarm in apac, I don't see an ana that is noticeably close to twilight
tropic herald
shu
raw ermine
but such a dif not existing makes them elite?
tropic herald
take viol2t on zen
if a meta is zen oriented
he has a big enough gap between other fs that he makes shock elite
twilight doesnt do that on an
ana
raw ermine
I guess, but the FS doesn't define the difference between 2 teams
earnest leaf
When you have smurf on monkey and striker on tracer, you don't need the FS completely dominating the other FS
tropic herald
but when you dont have someone like moth telling the team to play with less ego, you are going to get a team that looks like at, where everyone thinks they can make hero plays (probably could) they might win games like this but other teams that dont rely on everyone doing hero plays or people inting for clips they wont be successful
i think moth being absent from shock in game will make a large difference
earnest leaf
That sounds like you have no faith in crusty to coach his players properly
sure moth helped to keep them level headed in games, but i'm sure everyone contributed
They still have super to be a good leader in game
worn falcon
viol2t to be the leader
trail perch
and i dont think any of the shock players have a doom which they can match mirro...
Glister...
karmic grotto
cedar oasis
why do people rate atlanta so high
plush grail
so now glister is on doom
Isn't taiyo the doom?
plush grail
Can't really be washed if u were never good
balmy wolf
your opinion
plush grail
who do y'all expect to be the s3 boston of season 4
balmy wolf
Boston
earnest leaf
titans
balmy wolf
^^
balmy wolf
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Itd be funny tho
Real answer Valiant ofc
Titans too but only because of the short schedule
plush grail
linkzr top widow
cedar oasis
i can agree
massa was never good
compared to the other lucios he is average at best
plush grail
tried making a power ranking
stuck radish
mayhem over glads?
plush grail
im not that hype over the players glads have
i've never seen some of the super hype players like space, birdring and kevster live up to the hype
cedar oasis
smh
balmy wolf
lol
tropic herald
i forgot atlanta was there
live in the chaos
plush grail
live in the chaos
i dont wanan become like you
earnest leaf
Masaa on his best hero, gator/hawk on their good heroes
plush grail
atlanta will be solid if it's rush ngl
EU teams will also do well with rush probably
earnest leaf
kai/pelican will do a lot of heavy lifting though
People forget how hard good dps can carry
tropic herald
people just forget what kai did on la and think he wont do it again
plush grail
idk man after being a nyxl fan i dont really believe in solo carry dps anymore
earnest leaf
I mean ans carried maps for shock by just being a better widow
Kai deadlifted valiant through games as well
tropic herald
i get told my takes suck then you talk
earnest leaf
eu teams are gonna one trick rush and crumble the second rush isn't meta
tropic herald
how does it feel to know your team wont be the worst in na bc vancouver is a team
plush grail
how does it feel to know your team wont be the worst in na bc vancouver is a tea...
wow you also think titans are shit?? titans aren't your #1 in your fucked power rankings??
cedar oasis
how do we know pelican wont flop
tropic herald
my power rankings arent even fucked
plush grail
my power rankings arent even fucked
post ur rankings
tropic herald
i just know that some of the games this patch are gonna be fucked
plush grail
how do we know pelican wont flop
this
i really dont like the idea of putting all of your hopes into a rookie
balmy wolf
??
cedar oasis
yea
plush grail
glads, boston
cedar oasis
unproven
tropic herald
do you guys watch korean contenders
plush grail
not really
balmy wolf
you guys think mag is roty
balmy wolf
and then shit on pelican
balmy wolf
what i said
plush grail
probably good history, unproven and could drag the glads down
balmy wolf
okay then
plush grail
amazing input
balmy wolf
thats muze
cedar oasis
pelican gonna flop
earnest leaf
there
cedar oasis
atlanta coaching gonna kill his carrier
balmy wolf
pelican gonna flop
your takes get shittier every day ngl
cedar oasis
says atlanta top 5
tropic herald
tropic herald
Na1st
balmy wolf
i mean i try to argue
tropic herald
Michelle
balmy wolf
and you say nah they are bad
plush grail
what if the season starts and dallas end up being top tier because doha or sparkle practiced the heroes they were misssin and we all cry
cedar oasis
what if seoul decide to be consistent
plush grail
what if seoul decide to be consistent
only when gesture and profit feel like it
so never
unless its play-off time
cedar oasis
they will be consistent because they dont want to disapoint sbb
plush grail
sbb will bench profit
tropic herald
...
plush grail
sbb redemption arc soon
cedar oasis
yes
plush grail
sbb absorbed haksal, whoru, nenne and libero and is ready to play again
cedar oasis
i thought nene would
plush grail
pretty sure sbb was supposed to only do stuff like tracer cree
and nenne would cover ashe widow
cedar oasis
i just remembered libero widow
noble nexus
posting this and ignoring this channel for a few hours whilst someone flames me for one of these picks 👀
balmy wolf
god damn, all these rankings with spark in the bottom 2-3 apac
cedar oasis
good placing on atlanta
cedar oasis
that time when the spark got architec in the genji meta then they forgot how to play overwatch
balmy wolf
it's so funny that they're just the opposite of guangzhou
amazing rosters, no idea how to use them
compared to guangzhou's average rosters but the team just makes stuff click
cedar oasis
half the apac teams forgot how to play overwatch half the time
noble nexus
charge were just insane at double shield and genji meta
but they've lost shu now which means they're ass because I'm a shu stan
plush grail
wrong
tropic herald
charge have committed the sin of not upgrading their roster
mortal abyss
Twitter
plush grail
actually scuffed as fuck lmaoooo
one guy named after a frozen character and the other named after his middle schools crush's password
kind ridge
if molly was still on the team tho
id like to see where his name came from
plush grail
drugs
kind ridge
ahahahah
cedar oasis
what do you mean charge havent upgraded their roster
kind ridge
how did he know it was a drug could be someones name
plush grail
idk man
elsa is named after elsa from frozen
chances are that he's legit named after the drug
kind ridge
does he listen to a lot of modern day hip hop
plush grail
yes molly is known in the united states by his rap name ''travis scott''
raw ermine
omfg jimmy absolute unit
mortal abyss
idk why ppl are overrating boston
scrimbux
earnest leaf
their roster isn't that bad this year
Valentine/faith are pretty highly rated coming out of KR contenders
Stand1 is solid enough, myunbong as well
And iirc im37 improved a lot in contenders
earnest leaf
Twitter
sweet scaffold
Aside from the Gladiators and Shock (who are going to perform solidly), what other teams will do well/poorly this month?
noble nexus
vivid dawn
Based
noble nexus
based
raw ermine
alpha power ranking
worn falcon
sbb redemption arc soon
sullen berry
https://twitter.com/ksf/status/1380998169182535681
sir this is the alpha tier power rankings
hot onyx
Might be smoking dank shit but Defiant are highly underrated and I think they are a lot better than people give them credit for
And that’s not on the sole basis of Sado-Heesu
You guys ever see Aztac play on WGS/Uprising Academy? He’s an absolute nutcase
sullen berry
I'm watching some dated Na1st gameplay
he's certainly dropped off since then but put him on genji I think he could take on the rest of NA if he's in top form
tawdry hamlet
Idk man, Heesu and sado are both like, upgrades but not massively nuts players, Logix simply exists, idk anything about their off tank but their support line looks decent 
At least from what I've read or watched
Oh yeah they picked up lastro and iirc michelle is pretty good but their dps certainly looks kind of lacking
The real question is, will we see beast play a single game 
Is there a single main tank beast potentially has better than sado?
vagrant cargo
devout path
https://twitter.com/ksf/status/1380998169182535681
boston in correct spot
i made a tier list
im gonna get yelled at
not ordered in tiers
the valiant tier is ordered tho
signal wing
Something tells me Valiant sucks...
signal wing
How so? (Sorry i dont pay much attention to these things any more)
devout path
basically
couple months before owl
starts
valiant dropped everyone and moved to apac
after saying they wont
signal wing
Uh huh
raw ermine
yeah
devout path
most of the valiant players couldnt find a new team cuz too late into off season
signal wing
that does sound like a dick move
devout path
boston will be top 5 na
worn falcon
devout path
https://i.redd.it/ei3t54y06ds61.png
boston owl champs trust me
raw ermine
I thought they were good
they look good on the surface, but are missing key championship roster parts
worn falcon
Like muma
devout path
did they just say open division japan is better than valiant
raw ermine
that is the most scathing insult I've ever heard